/sci/ - Science & Math

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M

LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT THIS AND FEEL RAGE

SLS
IS
REAL

Fresh Pasta from previous thread

>Starship doesn't exist yet, there are still a lot of unknowns involved in developing it, and there is currently no market for such a rocket. While the intention is for Starship to eventually launch for only a few million dollars, that is only after many thousands of launches. Starship will be in trouble if SpaceX runs out of funding and/or is unable to develop new markets that justify such a launch vehicle. SpaceX is building a mars rocket, the commercial aspect is just a means to that end.

>SLS and Orion exist now, should perform almost exactly as expected, and are funded because of the political desire to go back to the moon. There are no risks associated with the rocket and crew vehicle needing to be commercially viable. Re-usability is great for SpaceX because they're launching Falcon 9's 1-2 times a month. For NASA, the cost of re-usability would not be justified by only one or two launches per year.

>Last year, Musk predicted Starship would launch to orbit in the next six months. Six months later they were still blowing up fuel tanks on the ground. This is rocket science with a kind of rocket that has never been built before and is not something NASA can count on for a manned space program. Like the Falcon 9, Starship will need to demonstrate its reliability before being considered for manned missions.

>>12104170
>>12104171
>bruh

DOD
POWERPOINTS

any new memes to add to the barrel™?

>>12104180
quit trying to force this shit meme, please

>>12104160
when does sn7 pop?

>>12104184
no >:(

>>12104188
Planned to pop today

>>12104193
today? meaning tommorow?

>>12104197
well it's 8am where I am but night time in america

>>12104160

>>12104171
I think I have lost the ability to hate SLS. I’ve gone full horseshoe. At this point I just kinda accept it; it is what it is. It will get delayed one or two more years, everyone will laugh at it, and Starship will hopefully blow it the fuck out of existence

>>12104216
this. it's like raging at the tide.

>>12104216
Soon you will come to love big brother anon

>>12104217
Oh no, FUCK the tides. They leave shitty sedimentary structures in the rock record and its impossible to tell if you’re looking at a bidirectional flow or unidirectional flow when you find a rock in the field. Tides make paleohydrology a living nightmare

>>12104208
Starlink is viable and still wildly profitable with F9 as a launch vehicle even with fairly pessimistic projections—enough so to fund Starship development indefinitely even it it never flies a real payload.

>>12104224
even if Starlink isn't successful, Starship will be cheaper than Falcon 9

God damn it, is no madman going to partner up with elon and chuck a fuckin hotel into space? Bigelow isn't the only game in town-buy up their tech and get to work. Space tourism that has a proper destination is waaaay more appealing that a glorified theme park ride that Bezos and Branson are so obsessed with. I would integrate a lottery system to it as well,or hold some sort of competition that allows the winner to get a trip into space. people eat that shit up.

>>12104224
If starship is 2-60 million per launch, companies will just launch their tiny dinky little satellites in a starship with mass simulators installed, that's potentially cheaper per launch than an Electron lmao, it's be retarded to not use starship, even if it's not used to its potential
Plus it will open the grounds up for universities to launch their own shit into space, like observatories and telescopes

>>12104234
TEN TON SATELLITE REACTION WHEELS
LEAD SHIELDED PC HARDWARE INSTEAD OF RAD HARDENED
FIVE METER TELESCOPE LENSES

Starship KILLS the smallsat meme by making it cheap to use dumb bulky alternative parts.

>>12104216
If they ever actually manage to get it working, it'll be a nice capability to have. It's a shame that it costs so much and keeps getting delayed, but more options for American spaceflight are always a good thing.

EXPENDABLE
HYDROLOX
SPACEPLANES

>>12104268
HYDROLOX
PROPELLED
EXPENDABLE
CREWS

>>12104277
Challenger-kun pls

>>12104277
REFURBISHABLE
CREWS

>>12104287
We made a launch vehicle that ditches the crew into the ground at a slow enough velocity, that crew recovery is possible
Doubters don't think this will reduce the cost of spaceflight however

Everyday Astronaut... easy on the onions...

>>12104216
Just understand that SLS is a jobs program, not a space flight program. If it gets off the launch pad it means it's failed.

>>12104296
What is this body type called?

>>12104329
Single Stage To Orbit

oh no no no no no
ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>12104232
I hope starship gets as cheap as possible just to see the possibilities it could launch
>>12104256
Exactly
>>12104322
I mean it’s both. It’s design was started in an era before starship was even on the table. But yeah, for a rocket that was supposed to be “heh let’s take shuttle parts and cheaply make a saturn v out of it” it’s a fucking piece of shit. It’ll launch though.... $100 billion dollars later...

>>12104340
They can just hop over it.

>>12104172
Looks like an entrance to a NASA thempark. Although that's pretty much what NASA already is at this point.

>>12104340
>February 8, 2019

Congrats Anon! Congress has ordered a new modern space shuttle to be built and has selected you to name this new American creation.
What will you name her?

>>12104397
The Money Oven

>>12104397
Space Launch System (SLS)

>>12104397
Spaceball 1

>>12104397
astronaut killer 9001

does the modern state of spaceflight prove the government never had any sort of antigravity tech or other physics-defying manmade craft? inb4 the dome disproves spaceflight

>>12104397
S.S. Explood

>>12104421
UFOs are a cover up for delta-wing stealth fighters/bombers that succeeded the B2

>>12104457
makes sense

>>12104329
estronaut

>>12104397
Space Shuttles were names after sail ships, which I think is a nice tradition that should be preserved.
Given the success of Space Shuttle, I think there are plenty of names to choose from, such as:
>Vasa
>Erebus
>Terror
>Trinidad
>Mary Rose

>>12104593
>Vasa
Not exactly an auspicious name.

>>12104593
Mayflower!

>>12104593
This is cool, but way cooler would be to imagine original names that live on in history for centuries. We've got enough fucking Endeavors already

>>12104397
Just use a random name generator or something.

>>12104594
none of them are, that's the joke
Vasa is the most obvious one
Erebus and Terror are the ships from the notorious Franklin's expedition
Trinidad was Magellan's flagship - neither of them survived the voyage
Mary Rose was similar to Vasa, but it actually managed to leave port more than once

>>12104593
titinic

>>12104397
ENDEAVOR

>>12104633
RRRAAAAAAAWWWWR

i just spent 30 minutes arguing with some faggot who thinks falcon 9 isn't successful and that all of elon's projects are scams

>>12104633
we should save that name for the first crewed Starliner

>>12104397
Vostok.

>>12104593
>>12104652
did you know that the Starliner on the uncrewed test flight was named Calypso? pretty neat huh

>>12104660
There was a prototype Dragon 2 named DragonFly

>>12104397
Buran.

>>12104172

>>12104689
>SLS gets fucked by mobile launch tower while Starliner watches

>>12104689
boeing and bozo are really good at making balloon props. why doesn't spacex make a big starship balloon, bros? is it because they are hack frauds?

>>12104701
Because Musk can deliver the real deal, so he don't need one.

>>12104288
>that ditches the crew into the ground at a slow enough velocity
Hey, Boing gonna Boing.

>>12104361
>Hey ese, we should build one of those too!

>>12104593
>Terror
Perfect for SLS. Or maybe SpaceShipTwo.

How likely is that Musk will start investing on fusion, or at least cheaper fission reactors? I don't think it is really his zone of comfort, but even then it is something I can see he doing.

>>12104232
>I would integrate a lottery system to it
Why bother, starship launch costs would already put space resort package holidays within the financial reach of the middle class.

mass space tourism will likely be the main driver for the space economy for the next 50 years or so.

About a week ago or so I posted a thread on the best career path to become a NASA astronaut.

I have some results if anyone is interested.

There’s a .mil violent path and there’s a .mil no violence path.

So why can't we use the moon as a place to throw asteroids into, then mine them, and send the material back to earth. With reusable rockets what would be the only limiting factors? Fuel and operating costs?

>>12104242
Smallsat is still a good practice because of your increased ability to do things further away.

>>12104782
Asteroid detection is still fundamentally limited. Aerospace Corp. has some really good content on planetary defense that involves a lot of crossover with near earth object mining.

>>12104790
Do you have any concerns about de-orbiting the moon?

>>12104777
Let's hear it my dude.

>>12104701
But starship IS a balloon, anon. Except it's made of stainless steel and is actually capable of reaching orbit and even other planets.

>>12104782
>>12104797
>tripcode
I think you should try asking in r/KerbalSpaceProgram.

>>12104689

>>12104797
If you deorbit the moon Nasa will never get anything done.
I propose to contract SpaceX to raise the moon‘s orbit so Nasa has to put in some extra effort with their Artemis program.

>>12104813
lol

>>12104808
SLS is real.

>>12104803
>commission as a FIXED WING pilot for Guard or reserve (all branches have at least some fixed wing jobs)
>accrue flight hours and training until you have 24 months on service
>transfer to a job that send you to defense language school in Monterey for Russian. (There’s a lot of army reserve/guard jobs that have this).

You could literally become a rated instructor on the jet NASA trains astronauts in and be spoon fed Russian language while getting paid.


Do the monthly guard/reserve gig while doing whatever your graduate education is, engineering, science, medicine.

>>12104808
Can I stress again how weird I find it that SLS is depicted in marketing material with the ICPS that was only ever planned for the first two test launches?
It‘s like SpaceX putting the trash cans in all its computer animations of Mars.

>>12104821
Can you put in orbit satellites between mars and earth?

>>12104820
The other big perk is you could qualify for applying to Astro as both a civilian or through.mil

>>12104397
Hindenburg

>>12104871
Kind of accurate to be honest.

>>12104397
Reichsvogel.

>>12104777
post

>>12104900
nvm i was late

>>12104397
Welsh pagan gods and goddesses.

>>12104897

>>12104397
Nostromo

>>12104944
Good name for starliner desu

>>12104897
Silbervogel

LMAOOOOO we found another thing Artemis can’t do in time. This is cool though. I don’t want to brag but other countries can’t even land on the Moon (see Israel, India, etc.) This will be a good early flex for america before the artemis sprint, and will give contracts to smaller companies (hopefully).

https://twitter.com/jimbridenstine/status/1304049845309669376?s=21

>>12105000
HOLY FUCK JIM LURKS HERE.
He must have seen our conversation about selling regolith for borgillions of dollars a couple threads back.

>>12105000
CHINA

>>12105000
lmfao we literally said this exact shit two threads ago. someone is dropping nuggets, but who?

>>12105013
IIRC China is already planning a sample return mission. Good for them though. Chinese geoscience is a strong field and they could find out interesting things about the geochemistry. I know they steal shit, but Jim should reach out eventually and try to establish trade of scientific information

Jim if you are here why's your last name misspelled?

>>12105022
>Chief of NASA is space nerd and former pilot
>Chief or Roscosmos is neonazi with no flight or science background

>>12105022
Retard. We should never ever speak to China about anything space related. Ever.

>>12105022
>but Jim should reach out eventually and try to establish trade of scientific information
Doubt it. China-USA tensions are the highest since 1968, and tough on China police have a fairly broad non-partisan support within the USA, so no détente any time soon.

>>12105022
no. we should kill them all. kill all the bug men. kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill

>>12105033

>>12105031
>>12105032
Just trying to offer what SHOULD be done. I’m the perseverance anon, and in college I did martian geochemistry research and had to sign a waiver that i wouldn’t talk about the instruments my thesis advisor was working on with our chinese professors because of itar regulations lmao. But a lot of those professors are wizards with geochemistry and china could honestly find out some cool things about the Moon. It would hurt us to talk about rockets but I don’t think it would hurt us to share raw science. Though anything important will get published in papers anyways I guess

>>12104457
the B2 have successors ? what additional features do they have ?

>>12105042
They’ve already released concept art for the next generation bomber. Tbh it just looks like a B2.

>>12105044
yeah but for it to be designed it has to be better on some ways

>>12105041
Politics aren't about science. They are about selling your bullshit and looking tough, which puts even science agreements on hold, especially ones that related to areas that are regarded as being of "strategic interest".

>>12105022
China has no scientific information to trade. That's exactly why they're such notorious thieves. They wouldn't have been completely banned from the ISS if that weren't the case.

>>12105046
Yup i’m thinking it probably carries more munitions, has better control/hides from radar better (they probably redesigned the plane using newer supercomputers), better radar and cockpit technology that couldn’t fit in the B2... just things like that. Granted this is ALL speculation on my part but it’s most likely true

>>12104397
SS Better Than Batman and Superman Combined

>>12105048
Very true. I guess we should leave their stinky smelly third world country to rot hahah
>>12104223
Based

>>12105008
>>12105021
what are the chances somebody with access to jim lurks on sfg

>>12105048
they are just like the japanese, they stole then, they steal less now and soon they will be cutting edge. But i dont really know why they got banned from ISS really, other nation that could have stolen info were admitted into the collaboration no ?

>>12105057
I’ve been in meetings with him a couple of times before the covid outbreak, but i don’t think I could ever walk up to him and be like “so there’s this thing called 4chan.... I have an idea to launch a frog....”

>>12105057
>0%

>>12104660
Cause it got lost lol

>>12105058
Japs are cool though. And the russians are bullheaded enough to not steal our plans because they have autistic faith in soyuz. We did let a private iranian on ISS i think... idk man, the US just really HATES china because they shamelessly steal our shit and bringing them to the ISS is too great a risk (see the F35. They straight up hacked into our computers and stole plans. By inviting them to the ISS that means they are one step closer to getting rocket designs and thus possible ICBM designs)

Any questions for jim about artemis? Going to be in a webinar with him soon. Someone said he's revealing something new.

>>12105041
Fuck China we should KILL THEM ALL

>>12105066
>thus possible ICBM designs
China don't care for those.
The CCP realized that just keeping 300-something nukes was enough for deterrence against the USSR and later the USA, and decided to don't blow more money into those.

>>12105068
How can JPL be brought further into the fold on progressive Lunar and Mars Campaigns?

>>12105069
10000% this

>>12105070
China and the USSR were at arms? (Sorry I suck at history). They’re both communist, I assume they would be gay comrade lovers
>>12105068
Tbh I can’t think of anything. I just wish I could meet jim and have a beer with him. I would love to hear his thoughts “off the record” about boeing and spacex

>>12105066
i don't think ICBMs are the problem here, its been a long time since the launchers don't inspire missile technology.

Besides, are the ISS plans really secret or kind of open source ? The agencies communicate everything or just the bare minimum between them ? if there is communications between not-really-allied space agencies like russia and usa, they are vulnerable to hacking far more than F35, so the chinese would already have had a grasp on it

>>12105075
mao seceded with the USSR once, they did not approve of the USSR's morally stuck-up attitude, despite facing economic disaster

>>12105068
https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1304049845309669376?s=20

I think this is the big reveal. Pretty funny that nasa is going to be buying lunar regolith, that's still on the moon.

>>12105075
>China and the USSR were at arms? (Sorry I suck at history)
Yes, after 1956 because of Khrushchev. There were even border skirmishes and such.
>They’re both communist, I assume they would be gay comrade lovers
Commies have a long and proud history of being at each other throats.

>>12104825
I don't know if there's a particular spot that you'd want to be, but you can surely just launch something into an orbit higher than Earth and lower than Mars.

>>12105072
Aren't they already in charge of the exploration missions? Do you mean manned flight, because doesn't Bridenstine want NASA to be a customer?

>>12105075
Based, and Look up the Sino-Soviet split. They actually were really at odds, even positioned their missiles for strikes against each other if I recall.

>>12105068
Would setting up a decadal survey for manned spaceflight be productive to Artemis and future missions?

>>12105080
That's some expensive-ass dirt.

>>12105076
NASA: the organization that can land man on the Moon, and bring Nazi’s and Jews together..... but fuck China hahah. Goes to show how much the government hates them

>>12105096
Yeah also they can rendezvous with the ruskies at the height of the cold war and even work on space stations together. What’s going on here? My only guess is that chinks bring nothing to the table

>>12104180

>>12105076
It is probably just a part of the tough on China. It don't need to be rational or make an actual impact, just look like it does.

>>12105103
FUCK China.

Aside from “they have the budget to do it because of POTUS”, why the fuck would NASA dish out (presumably) millions for samples when they could just wait a few years for Artemis?? Is SLS in THAT bad of shape rn and Jim knows it?

>>12105103
I agree with you- but

>1975
>height of the Cold War.

Nah

>>12105110
this

>>12105113
Well you get my point. I guess things were cooling down at that point. But still, amazing that apollo-soyuz happened.
>>12105110
Someone get this man an AMERICAN JOB

>>12105103
>What’s going on here?
Institutional stiffness, Washington group think, and hubris.
The USA government have become incredible arrogant since the end of the cold war, to the point its own allies are openly looking for alternatives to phase out the dollar as their reserve currency.
>>12105111
>Is SLS in THAT bad of shape rn and Jim knows it?
YES. SLS is a massive shitshow.

>>12105111
Yes. I have a running bet with friends that Jim's last Nasa program in the event of a Biden presidency is propellant depots

>>12105111
There is a lot of good things that come out of these CLPS missions doing robotic sample returns:

>it develops robotic sample return capability. It also does so for private industry.
>It practices using the systems and communications protocols that will be used in Artemis.
>it would be the first sample return mission since planetary protection protocols were changed.
>this could lead to a lower budget tier (without de-scoping) Mars sample return mission, which is normally a flagship class.

>>12105088
More so JPL missions being instep with JSC missions like ranger back in the day.

>>12105113
The Cold War is so weird. It gets huge in the 50s and then even more in the 60s, then it simmers down in the 70s. But the. The 80s happen and the soviets become all feisty again and then they all die in 1991. Never understood why they became all aggressive again a decade or so after the early 70s

>>12105129
one last yeet would be epic

>>12105111
Encouraging commercial 'mining' of the moon. Currently no commercial incentive to go to the moon. It's like an X-prize, an incentive to innovate

>>12105134
>Never understood why they became all aggressive again a decade or so after the early 70s
Afghanistan and the military-industrial complex.

>>12105129
>>12105136
How do I convince the modern democratic establishment that space exploration should be a policy focus?

I’ve been thinking of appealing to progressives.

>>12105000
>inb4 space environmentalists start complaining about how private companies will alter the appearance of the moon

>>12105134
Russians are bull headed. They probably have the strangest relation to the USA. Allies yet aggressors at the same time. They may be white, but they are also colombia with nukes (as some other anon said)
>>12105133
>>12105138
Aaahhhh okay, okay. This makes some sense

>>12105143
There is no appealing to a parasite religion that wants to destroy the fabric of society anon. Marxists get the rope in the final frontier of space.

>>12105148
Seriously though. Imagine pinning Space Exploration with the green new deal and having Bernie and AOC out shilling for Artemis/SpaceX

>>12105143
they are perpetually against it. even in the 60s it was the libtard hippies who were against space travel. their brains cant grasp high level concepts, sad.

>>12105146
Ohhhh the competition is international as well. Interesting. Also future iterations are in the works!

>>12105145
>big swastika on the moon
big swastika on the moon
>big swastika on the moon
big swastika on the moon

>>12105143
Progressives like stagnation, death, and decay. Space travel is antithetical to them.

>>12105155
von braun lives on

>>12105148
>>12105151
Ok another one guys. Let’s say you are a modern leftist and you take the threats of Russia and China very seriously. How can you not support Space Force? It is a legitimate response to a peer threat.

>>12105150
Yang is pro-nasa, as far as I know, plus openly pro-technocratic, so it would be easier with him.

It’s only a matter of time before twitter and popsci go through the mental gymnastics of:
• Operation paperclip -> Apollo
• Fascist Nazi Trump -> Artemis
They will try to take it away from us. Marxist brainless pose an even greater threat to spaceflight than Boeing cost-plus contracting

Friendly reminder that fishing spent boosters and first stages out of the ocean is NOT reusability.

>>12105160
>Ok another one guys. Let’s say you are a modern leftist and you take the threats of Russia and China very seriously.

So you’re not a modern leftist?

> How can you not support Space Force?

Trump made it, and it’s part of the military, and militaries are bad

>>12105160
most people, including faggot libs, on some level lowkey dig space force. even my lib friends admit it's cool. that said, the benefit space force will have on space exploration is unknown to say the least.

>>12105160
Space force is like 99% “we already have these jobs but we are wasting money because this shit isn’t organized. Let’s just take these jobs from the marines, navy, air force, etc. and put them under one branch to save money”

Space force wasn’t made to go build outpost military bases. It was made to get everyone on the same budget. All they do is track satellites and launch stuff

>>12105155
based

>>12105163
That’s actually not a terrible idea.

I really want to make Space bipartisan. NASA needs to not reset every admin.

>>12105160
Modern leftists only think Russia is bad when it comes to the election. They are mildly aware of China because once in a while the shit they do gets out, but because they’re nonwhite, leftists see them as needing our sympathy or something. Seriously. Imagine if a euro nation did the stuff China does.

>>12105172
>The call that killed the faggot soviet space program and forced ivan to stick with Soyuz for the next 50 years

>>12105172
I love this goddamn picture so immensely. Omega based

>>12105172
>Hole in the roof to place the Saturn V
>Doesn’t have competing companies/teams’ rockets on his desk
>Carefree posture
Chad move

>>12105167
>>12105168


Edwards Airforce Base is setting up a new test pilot school. “Space test fundamentals”. Look at the projects being done by the new Defense Innovation Unit.

This new apparatus is creating OC. I hope there will be spinoff to the civil/science side.

>>12105175
>Imagine if a euro nation did the stuff China does.
They did that one time, we bombed them. We should do the same for China.

>>12105181
China is just smarter than the west. Muslims do actually belong in camps

>>12105183
It's not about who's in a camp, it's about a government willing to put people there, they will eventually decide that you belong in there too.

>>12105180
>Edwards Airforce Base is setting up a new test pilot school. “Space test fundamentals”
Waste of money. We are 20 years tops from drones that will be superior to the best pilots in every single conceivable way while being far cheaper.

>>12105188
Test Pilot School has 4 curriculum. One of them is also flight test engineer, which is open to civilians and military.

>>12104329
weird camera distortion

>>12105187
Cool slippery slope fallacy.

>>12104296
>>12104329
>>12105202

>>12105188
Yeah and flying cars too

:)

>>12105205
>execute order 'sexy sext'

>>12105203
Reminder that the Patriot Act is only a temporary measure to help fight the new War on Terror and will be repealed just as soon as you're safe. Any day now!

>>12105206
>Yeah and flying cars too
Flying cars have existed since the 50s, it is just that it would a terrible idea to let the average schmuck drive one, plus one could argue that small civilian choppers and ultralights to be to all intent and purposes flying cars.
Plus modern day AI have already beaten veteran pilots in air simulators, so make of it what you want.

>>12105229
People can barely handle following the road rules in 2D. I don't want normies flying over my house in 3D space

>>12105203
Slippery Slope is only fallacious if there are no logical steps between the beginning and end of the slope. If you are a relatively well off, well educated, socially mobile citizen who owns weapons or the means to make weapons, an authoritarian state will at some point find a reason to disenfranchise and oppress you. Because well off, socially mobile citizens who can defend themselves don't need an authoritarian state.

>>12105000
This was the big announcement? I mean, it's not a bad announcement, I just figured it would be something juicier, like kicking BOING out.

>Bridenstine is talking about new solicitation to buy lunar dirt.
>US believes in Outer Space Treaty, no claims of national sovereignty.
>This is like tuna from the ocean. We don't own the ocean, but ppl can extract tuna and own it. Good for humanity.

>>12105278
Boeing will sue NASA if Jim ever kicked them out. He has to stay professional with Boeing even if they're far from the best.

>>12104820
>transfer to a job that send you to defense language school in Monterey for Russian
You generally don’t get to pick your language at DLI. You rank your preferred languages, and they may or may not give you one of your choices.

>>12105289
lol you make an interesting point. is big jim exploiting a loophole here?

You were born zero generations away from immortality.

>>12105334
I'm 88 years old :(

>>12105345
YOU were born two generations away from immortality.

>>12105354

Quality control definitely isn't going to be an issue with SpaceX right guys haha

>>12105358
stupid dog, bad dog

>>12105360
If it works it works.

>>12105360
don't care, tesla made me a millionaire

>>12104689
>STARSHIP? I-I KNEEL! AAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12105360
Kek. My grandpa used to do this to fix stuff.

>>12105360
Boing would've spent ten bajillion in R&D for a new bracket and then one of their monkeys would have put it in upside down and gotten the whole production line shut down for two weeks

>>12104593
>Erebus
>Terror
The Crew are stranded and all sucumb to space-scurvy and cannibalism
>>12104619
Mary Rose only sank due to the fact it carried 400 men and heavy cannons. Once it took on water, it was inevitable that it would sink.

- 50g up to 500g of “Collected Material”
- imagery of the collection and identification of the collection location
- in-place transfer of ownership to NASA (not sample return)
- complete before 2024
- awarded amount not dependent on the quantity collected
- 10/10/80 split, concept review / launch / actual collection

>>12105405
>in-place transfer of ownership to NASA (not sample return)
what's the point then?

https://github.com/sarbian/ManeuverD
What does it actually do? The description means literally nothing, and there's no info anywhere else about this.

>>12105360
How is it bad to use fake wood?

>>12105409
Artemis crews hand pick them up later.

>>12105409
>encourage commerce on the moon
>set standards for colonization via the artemis accords

>>12105427
Oh so the Perseverance method? Astronauts could collect samples a hell of a lot easier, and I don't think the presence of pre-collected samples would be enough to encourage Congress to send people to pick them up.

>>12105427
>Spend millions of dollars to excavate and mark locations of samples
>Could just send a geologist with a shovel to do it for free while he’s there four years later
What did Jim mean by this

>>12104242
>fills starship with electrons
cheap mars shots for nothing boys

>>12105360
Seems like fake shit. There are lot of crazies out there with regards to Tesla. Tesla and Elon makes them seethe so hard they would do all sort of crazy things. Lot of industries and their followers have plenty to hate on him.

>>12105446
Literal 4D chess. He knows SLS can’t fly these missions to the moon so it’s another opportunity to give money to elon for falcon heavy flights.

>>12105451
This might be off-topic, but why is there so much hate for Tesla?

>doesnt have to be an american company that is doing the mining
>can collect more than 500g, but nasa will only pay for up to 500g
>can sell the excess lunar soil to other organizations

>>12105462
People see it as a combination of electric car/hybrid fags and sports car fags. I like tesla but I could totally see how someone would hate them for being a clique that just wants to suck elon’s long dong

>>12105468
4ASS mining branch when?

>>12105462

Communists on Twitter hate Tesla because its a great example of capitalism solving climate change.

>>12104168
wtf? all expendable?

>>12104180
KEK really some anon from /sfg/ went there to shitpost?
based

>>12105462
It have a strong association with show offy coastal upper class, which piss off people that don't like one or more of those.

>>12105462
1) The person. Musk is an eccentric guy and has drawn ire from all sorts of regions of demographics. He's pushing for electric cars but is a firm libertarian. He therefore doesn't like unions. Libs hate him for that. He is an engineer that dables in scientific effort and promoting global warming/electric cars and hates gas cars. Therefore conservatives hate him. Add to the fact that he's outspoken and eccentric, draws ires from all the politically minded people. Whether or not those are personal hatred or manufactured by powerful media to shape opinion requires lot of research, but imo its a combination of both.

2) Tesla as a car draws ire from people who do not like new technology. Who like their good old gas cars. Change is fearful. New things break? Make a news 24/7. People are wrapped up in fear, uncertainty and doubt about new technology.

>>12105484
oh no wait it's made with paint isn't it

If China said they were going to allow private companies to mine the Moon there would be a huge uproar in the West.

>>12105491
Trick question. But there are no private companies in China. Every company that exists exists due to communist party officers starting those companies.

>>12105484
>>12105488

>>12104171
God I hate reddit NPC's

>>12105491
Yeah.
Let's not pretend that the modern anti-china stuff isn't fairly glowy.
>>12105494
Technically all chinese companies are state owned but are de facto run as private companies.

>>12105491
Retards are constantly treating everything as the end of the world, so what? The only thing stopping the chinks is their own lack of ability.

>>12105360
surely that's just for transport, to be removed on delivery?

>>12105502
Don’t we all....

>>12105491
China should start resettling Uyghurs to the Moon and rename it to Uyghuristan.

>>12105524
>putting convicts on the moon
We know where this leads, Manny my oldest friend.

>>12105537
>a targeted minority
>convicts

anon I-

>>12104808
Fill it with helium and it will fly higher than any real SLS

>>12105548
They are convicted of being muslim, anon.
Either way, put them on the moon and they'll eventually throw rocks at us. Grant Loonie independence first.

>>12105537
We need a final solution to the Australian problem.

Today in history:
>1858 – George Mary Searle discovers the asteroid 55 Pandora.
>1933 – Yevgeny Khrunov, Russian colonel and astronaut, is born (died 2000).
>1945 – Mike Mullane, American colonel and astronaut, is born.

>>12105548
They deserve it

>>12104647
Why?

>>12105589
This, next time just glass him mid-sentence.

>>12105143
Most democrats/liberals like space and science, it's just just that the "space ia racist" crowd is loud and annoying, and gets made into memes. Of course here, the agenda being pushed is that all democrats hate space so you should vote republican.

>>12105150
Imagine AOC wanting anything other than to kill NASA, because rockets are evil carbon sources.
>>12105419
How is it bad to use steel to build a rocket? No carbon composites, no kilogram-shaving aluminum alloys.
>>12105462
Lefties hate successful capitalists, also short sellers had bet on them losing value, instead lost big. (The potential losses from shorting stocks are not limited to losing 100% of your investment!)

>>12105594
i was bored

>>12105595
All Democrats do hate space. Obama defunded NASA

>>12104647
>isn't successful
Not like it isn't dominating the launch market or anything.

>>12105595
Fifty years from now ideally neither of those two parties will exist except in a book titled "lets not do that retarded shit again", but first the Democrats have to be deposed and pushed out of most government before they torpedo the fucking country.

>>12105611
Try talking to people outside of your bubble.

>>12105624
Try refuting the fact Obama defunded NASA.
You can’t because he did.
Cope.

>>12105608
>silly expression means bad person
Just as bad as the reddit cucks who do this with blumpf

>>12105620
It won't be long now before the majority finally embrace my long-held "burn both parties to the fucking ground and piss on the ashes" political theory.

>>12105630
>Noooo my satanic communist doesn’t have crazy eyes stop nooo

>>12105620
>Fifty years from now ideally neither of those two parties will exist except in a book titled "lets not do that retarded shit again"
Keep dreaming, fuckboi. The way the electoral system works in the land of the """"free"""" pushes the 2 party system hard.

You guys realize every scientist ever was liberal right?

>>12105644
You realize that’s an untrue lie you posted merely as bait, right?

>12105644
>You guys realize every scientist ever was liberal right?
b8/8

>>12105644
Von Braun was nazi.

>>12105641
Even if we're stuck with two parties, it would be better to push parties out of power before they become entrenched. The amount of damage a relatively new party can do is minimal compared to the amount of damage a deeply entrenched one can. Same as with Presidents, sure it would be less messy if the President hung around for ten years instead of four, but such short terms can help mitigate the damage a President can do if they turn out to be a bad pick.

>>12105667
>it would be better to push parties out of power before they become entrenched

They’ve been the only parties in the US for over 120 years it doesn’t get more fucking entrenched

>>12105670
Exactly my point.

>>12105667
>The amount of damage a relatively new party can do is minimal compared to the amount of damage a deeply entrenched one can.

I like the Nazis myself but you have heard of them, right?

>>12105644
Don't bother trying to reason with NPCs. They believe what their media tells them and nothing else.

>>12105688
Irony

>>12105652
Nazis were liberal. Who else would start a world war over race?

>>12105360
The sad thing is, the shorts have so poisoned the well that i have no idea if this is real

IS SEVEN POINT ONE GONNA BOP TODAY
OR NO

>>12105360
This is weird, but so far this design seems to work. Tesla is a strange company.

>>12105692

why did the shuttle use hydrolox first stages instead of kerolox

>>12105703
My assumption right off the bat is that it will be torture tested to pop. Supposedly it's going to break the previous Starship pressure record, but I still think they'll also want to push it as far as the design can possibly go.

>>12105729
Well yeah anon, I was asking if it's going to do that TODAY. I wanna see another bopper bop.

>>12105727
H$0, not RP-1 ok

>>12105732
tonight

>>12105548
>beg Qing empire to help you genocide the Dzungars
>Qing lets you settle in former Dzungars lands and lets you spread Islam
>Qing settlers build new cities and farms elsewhere to make sure you have enough land
>Qing grants you all the rights Chinese have
>don't bother to secure your independence by supporting the Soviets when China was weak
>survive both WW2 and the Chinese revolution pretty much unscathed
>watch as Han Chinese go through the cultural revolution and one child policy
>Red Guards leave you alone and you can have as many children as you want
>still don't bother to teach them Mandarin or Chinese history
>keep migrating to parts of Xinjiang with Han or Hui majority without bothering to even learn the language
>let Wahabi preachers spread their ideology among your ignorant youth
>apparently unaware of what the CCP was capable of during the cultural revolution and that 3/4 of Chinese history is cracking down on rebellions they start chimping out
>China lets them LARP as domestic terrorists for a decade until it gets out of hand with several extremely ruthless acts
>there is no suppression of Uyghur culture but Uyghur society doesn't bother to kick out the wahabis
>instead they form diaspora organisations clamoring for independence from China and funnelling money to terrorists
>Uyghur militants start training in the ME
>CCP finally starts cracking down on them
>instead of drone striking villages or purging everyone like they did to themselves they simply try to systematically reeducate them
>USA is very upset that Xinjiang didn't turn into Afghanistan
>Academics unironically call it a cultural genocide when there's consensus that migration is just a fact of life
>in 20 years Uyghurs will speak mandarin, have higher education and better jobs, have 2 kids instead of 7 and won't blow themselves up
>this is comparable to getting made into lampshades or getting worked to death

>>12105741
Having more kids is better, death worshipper.

>>12105741
Holy shit someone typed this all out.

>train classical sculptor in astronaut stuff
>send to mars
>locate martian marble
>they spend months creating several stunning sculptures
>send back to earth
>auction them off

Can you imagine how much richfags would pay for the first pieces of martian art? Probably would break records.

>>12105741
wtf I love pooh-bear now

>>12105750
a lot

>>12105737
Good

>>12105750
About treefiddy

Remember when Jim hung up the phone at SpaceX when it interrupted his interview with Tim Dodd? That was great

>>12105741
baste

>>12105809
Wait what? Was he mad or something?

What do you guys think of Isaac Arthur?

>>12105360
This is most likely someone forgetting to remove packing after instalation

>>12105821
The king of speech impediments. Makes good content

>>12105066
Hell yes there is no way defense contractors would sell designs they work on.

>>12105821
who

>>12105821
Hes allright

>>12105819
No (if I'm remembering right). They were interviewing in the command center and the phone started ringing so Big Jim just picked it up and put it down to stop it. Said "They'll back back" or something like that.

>>12105819
maybe a little bit. i wonder if the call was from someone important

>>12105809
link and timestamp?

>>12105833
i though he said "watch this" and then hung it up, and Tim was speechless thinking about how much of a chad move that was

>>12105846
Fucking based

550 AU FOCAL MISSION WHEN?

http://www.parabolicarc.com/2020/04/18/niac-award-a-pulsed-plasma-rocket-for-fast-human-transits-to-mars/

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2006/08/18/the-focal-mission-to-the-suns-gravity-lens/

>>12105844
https://youtu.be/TU_vOt3wSDg
@4:56

Anyone know anything about tether propulsion?

>>12105866
>or you could do this
thats what he says
wash your ears

>>12105866
>why hasn't anyone told me about this

Comfy rain in boca chica

>>12105874
Hey I watched it a long time ago

>>12105821
bit gay

>>12105821
I just can't listen to him

Any eta for 20 km flight?

Weren't we supposed to have the SN7.1 test today?

>>12105908
Wish I was a sex cultist

How long until the rocketman start dabbling into nanomachines? What dumb name will he give the company?

>>12105908
I like how Walt Disney is just thrown in there, nothing satanic or evil under his name he's just there

>>12105502
>SLS and Orion exist now
>SLS and Orion exist now
>SLS and Orion exist now
>SLS and Orion exist now
>SLS and Orion exist now

>>12105908
~4 hours if the winds hold

>>12105916
The Gooing Company.

>>12105914
Shut the fuck up

>>12105933
>The Gooing Company.
That is so bad that if Musk haven't already used that same gimmick with The Boring Company, I could see going for it.

>>12105908
i hate boomer evangelicals almost as millenial antifa faggots

>>12105502
Fuck Boing, but he has a valid point. SLS/Orion are taking forever but there's no reason to think they won't be able to do what they are designed to do.

With Starship there are still some big technical hurdles that could prove to be insurmountable or give it space shuttle syndrome where it's reusable but costs a fortune to refurbish every time. Something new and innovative like Starship is 100% worth trying though.

>>12105946
Christianity is good. Atheism is a dead end

>>12105955
evangelicals are braindead zionists though

>>12105864
One of the project guys was on HN, they are doing a demo in a few years and if by magic they actually get funding for a 70 year mission it would be launched in early 2030's

>>12105914
It's gonna be at night for some reason.

>>12105952
>SLS/Orion are taking forever but there's no reason to think they won't be able to do what they are designed to do.
It was designed to fly in 2018, how's that going?

>>12105979
Spacex has to keep the beach open as much as possible

>>12105973
if they used my ingenious sun diving method they could reach enough speed to make it to 550 astronomical units in under 13 years, unless they want to somehow enter an orbit of the sun at 550 astronomical units

>>12105990
Even though the communists in control of all of the tourist destinations have everything closed for muh virus?

Pop when?

>>12106027
Looks like SpaceX just requested a closure for it on the 17th, so it looks like a week from today.

>>12105087
oh, I get it now
thank you for this animation

>>12105987
*2017

heard there was 7.1 meter hop today? what time

>>12106046
tonight

>>12105741
wtf did I just read and why is it here
>>12105745
They actually have large families compared to everyone else in China Uyghurs were never subjected to the one child policy nor the current policy.

I knew it....they're going to poison something as benign as scooping up some dust. The sky is brimming with uncountable resources,but it's racist to go get them.

This unnerves me. What if these people succeed in hamstringing the start of a space economy?

astra is not a real rocket company. mark my words, the rocket is a plastic prop. they use it to siphon monies from dumbfuck investors. it will always "scrub"

>>12106068
nothing wrong with colonizing shitholes and turning them into first world paradises

>>12106070
lol if you are serious then i would like to make a wager for 500 dollars that you're wrong. you in or are you all talk?

Will 4ASS be putting in a bid for the new lunar mission? Can we make up a proposal and make nasa read it?

>>12106068
>This is colonialism

>>12106068

>>12106078
gambling is a sin

>>12106068
Ask your friend what is wrong with colonizing an empty place.

>>12106068
How many Latin American asylum seekers would be offered the opportunity to form part of a moon colony I wonder? Or will it be billionnaire escapees from the Earth consumption turned climate crisis they have fuelled for decades?

>>12106086
lmao

>>12106068
>I want more lunar sample material on Earth. It's cheaper to have private companies do that. However, I do not want to extend to space the notion that whoever grabs first and has political & military might to defend their claim deserves to privatize and profit from it.
How else would land ownership be defined internationally?

>>12106091
Diversity IS strength.

>>12106068
>This is colonialism
Cool, manifest space when?

>>12106083
Really? One of god's chosen prophets made a wager about god showing off his power as opposed to a rival deity in a competition to set logs on fire once.

>>12106091
they don't believe in property, remember? the problem this young boy has is with the "transfer of ownership". they're marxist scum

>>12106068
>this is colonialism
It's supposed to be dumbass

>>12106068
Manifest Destiny bitch. The stars belong to us.

>>12106068
>Is there anything we can do to shut this down?
>I know it's probably a fruitless endeavor, but I don't want to feel helpless knowing that our beautiful moon will be used to embolden the elite capitalist class of Earth. This has to end before it starts.

>>12106104
You of course mean, to U.S

>>12106106
>That video is insidious. Designed to spark peoples imaginations over "human exploration" of space while quietly passing off commercializing space as normal.

>>12106106
>BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON
BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON
>BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON
BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON

>>12106068
the thing that really irritates me is,our current legal framework absolutely PERCLUDES the USA from claiming an entire celestial body. It's literally ocean fish harvesting rules-you keep only what you harvest and you require boats to give each other a safe berth. If China wants to settle down a few miles away and gather shit, they can! And this should extend to asteroids and other bodies too-you can have multiple nations on the surface of 16 psyche harvesting precious metals. It's not complex,it avoids land-grabbing and rent-seeking bullshit,and it makes space a very open place.

What's the issue? I don't get it.

>>12105360
Man the anti-Tesla shills are really out in full force today. They managed to turn Reddit against the pro-weed pro-environment man.
https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/ipi89a/tesla_model_y_owners_find_cooling_system_cobbled/

>>12106112
>If we are paying private companies to return material for NASA curation and freely sharing with the rest of the world for scientific purposes, I'm cool with that. If we are establishing precedent to "extract and trade space resources"? That's a Nope from me.
>Isn’t this also in violation of several international treaties involving celestial bodies, including the moon? Or do those have no meaning any more?
>Fairly sure it's also illegal?
>I used to be very excited about space exploration. Now I feel it’s just us trashing other worlds like we trashed this one.

>>12106116
anti-property

>>12106119
When did Reddit turn on Elon? They seem mad at him 24/7 now

>>12106128
Every single person on that site is a faggot.

>>12106116
In my opinion, they seem to have bought into the idea that mankind must shed anything materialistic and "old" culture before going to space, like the Star Trek's Federation with the Aesop levels cranked to 200%, but they forget that most of these materialistic and "old" culture stuff exist for a reason.

>>12105821
big dumb nigger who needs to fuck off

>>12106128
reddit is full of underdeveloped teenagers, their minds are barely functional

>>12106123
Not at all! You can MAKE property all you want-what the fuck do you think spaceships and shelters are?

>>12106114
We put this in stable lunar orbit.

>>12106128
Whenever the site became more communist than libertarian.

>>12106131
OST will get teared up the moment the first starship lands on mars

>>12106136
sorry i meant the dyke cunt complaining on twitter (imagine the smell)

>>12106136
Evil machines that produce pure capitalism. They must be destroyed so we can focus on *real* problems on Earth such as giving every poor person a pack of smokes.

>>12106128
Musk was against shutdown

>>12106137
let's do both. but i really want to stick it to woke bae by gentrifying the near side of the moon with a BIG BEAUTIFUL SWASTIKA made with lavacasting pyramids

>>12106149
why do people care? he's an eccentric car and space guy-so what if he's saying shit about the pandemic? I think he's utterly retarded to think that 100% renewable energy makes sense but i don't foam at the mouth like a fag over it.

>>12106128
Few years ago. With Musk bringing the heat back to the britcuck who was telling him to stuff his minisub up his ass.

>>12106149
they got mad at him for funding secured and pedo guy before that

>>12106091
>>12106068
Useful idiots. They're of similar minds to those who venture into untouched native lands and get eaten.

>>12106155
as funny as it was,that was really fuckin idiotic. musk should not have gotten involved like that-he could have sent over a few million dollars in supplies and done outreach and come away from that smelling like roses.

>>12106160
he was right though

>>12106159
the way they think is usually bred out due to natural selection. but nowadays we foster the weak and simpleminded

>>12106097
>WE'RE WHALERS ON THE MOON

>>12105987
That was part of my point. SLS has a lot of problems but they are all with the shitty contracts not the hardware. The hardware is proven and isn't trying to do anything groundbreaking.
Starship on the other hand is still unproven and it's entirely possible that they could hit a roadblock (particularly with the EDL phase) that may be the death of the project.

I'm rooting for Starship, but it's important to to not get over hyped about things which may or may not go according to plan.

>>12106162
It could not be proven in any way and musk apologized for saying it.

>>12106068
Literally who

>>12106162
the guy really was a pedo desu

>>12106128
>He got popular enough that it became cool to hate him
>He got successful enough that oil shills turned against him, and spoke against the bias in the media so they turned against him too.
>He says a lot of genuinely retarded stuff
>He's against unions and the covid lockdown

No 7.1 today?

>>12106173
musk is, dare i say it, BASED?

>>12106108
>misspells U.S.
Poetry.
kek

>>12106130
Reddit is good for finding specific porn because there's a sub for every imaginable fetish. And some small subs are good, like /r/SpaceXMasterRace which is basically /sfg/ and has mostly the same users.
That's basically all it's good for.

>>12106091
>However, I do not want to extend to space the notion that whoever grabs first and has political & military might to defend their claim deserves to privatize and profit from it.

Imagine being triggered by how the real world works.

Hey guys, I'm not gonna read the thread or ctrl-F or any of that shit. so, when is the sn 7.1 hop? i'm waiting

>>12106176
I think so

>>12106174
no

>>12106184
>7.1 hop
nigga

>>12106180
kys

>>12106181
Just wait until China claims some part of the moon as New Beijing or something like that, and all of the "anti-space-property" folks will do a complete flip on their opinion.

>>12106184
aint no hop. Its new steel test.

god that looks so surreal, like seeing a stool being assembled for a giant

>>12106192
ok based

>>12106184
wasn't it a pop?
some woke retards say that colonizing space is colonialism

>>12106180
fuck off nigger

>>12106193
They would need to enforce it and for that they would need a cheap way to get there.

>>12106198
Colonization is good.

>>12106198
What's wrong with colonizing? I thought that was the goal!

>>12106194
no he got it right, it'll hop 7.1 meters

>>12106211
>>12106209
They equal settling on a sterile celestial body to enslaving and selling Africans, because you know, the words sound the same.

>>12106199
>>12106192
Stop being gay. It's true.

>>12106217
When it explodes?

>>12106221
go back

>>12106220
Fuck Africans. Might makes right.

>>12106220
But it was Africans who sold each other to white people. And most slave owners were jews anyway.

>>12106223
>explodes
rapidly converts into a cold gas thruster

>>12106091
>I do not want to extend to space the notion that whoever grabs first and has political & military might to defend their claim deserves to privatize and profit from it.
This is why humanity needs a frontier so badly. The lack of one allows people like this to exist- people who don't understand that if you can't defend your stake, someone else with fewer scruples will take it by force.

>>12106224
I dont need to fap though.

>>12106220
We'll colonize space and make the ayyliens pay for it too!

>>12106221
kys harder

Have you guys ever realized....rockets are big pp? :)

>you have to perfectly fix all of society before you do anything in space
>no no quit showing me all the evidence that things are overall much better on earth than 10 years ago,until every last corrupt poor government has a standard of living identical to Sweden you don't get to explore and innovate in the midst of unimaginable resources in a way that probably will do much to pull the earth in the direction of a post-scarcity society
This shit is almost as dumb as the people that claim that billionaires want to escape the earth for space. They don't. Many of them are now investing shitloads of money trying to fix the earth because they have to live here too. 99% of billionaires do not want to leave the earth and live harsh strenuous colonial lives on mars, which is what much of the first gen will be. It will probably be in the mid 40s or 50s before mars is a comfy place to live-most current billionaires will be dead or very old and fragile by then.

>>12106226
But like, you do understand those two things are different right? Even if the words sound similar.
>>12106229
Buying and selling people is wrong. The blacks that sold other blacks are as bad as the whites that bought them.
And no jews weren't most of the slave owner, you would have to unironically never have been to school to think that.

>>12106248
Of course they’re fucking different.
NOTHING LIVES ON THE MOON

>>12106244
>you have to perfectly fix all of society before you do anything in space
*According to my own definition of perfect that is subject to change.

>>12106116
>If China wants to settle down a few miles away and gather shit, they can!
50-cal turret that can reach any part of the lunar surface with indirect fire says "no"

>>12106244
>This shit is almost as dumb as the people that claim that billionaires want to escape the earth for space.
They saw Elysium and think that it's an accurate representation of the future.

>>12106244
Sweden is a hellhole and will become third world when the whites become a minority

>>12106249
Thanks god, we have enough retards here already.

>>12105750
i thought marble was made by metamorphosed limestone, so it wouldnt be formed on Mars? or am i a geologylet?

>>12105821
based

>>12106262
mars had liquid water and plate tectonics, why wouldn't it have marble?

>>12106264
he's popsci bullshit

>>12105821
I greatly dislike his megastructure/borderline magic wank and in particular his fans that buy and shill it all without understanding the practical realities. His videos not revolving around that can be entertaining.

>>12106280
thank you for putting that into words for me, my brain was stuck on >youtube man bad

>>12106280
Technology you don’t understand is magic in a literal sense.

>>12106286
True, but then any discussion about the practical aspects of them would be pointless.