/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12093210
Ok racist.

>>12093214
Its actually insane that left wing humanities majors think its racist to have an object that a racist once owned in a collection of scientific specimens

>>12093210
https://madison.com/news/local/education/university/redefining-legacy-a-historic-boulders-controversial-history-at-uw-madison/article_61f835cb-f34a-5b87-abd7-0bcb860446ec.html
Students want a university to move a big rock because some people called the rock a bad word 150 years ago

>>12093210
Hey photographs are racist because they disrespect the cultural values of Native Americans. Kindly delete facebook or we're burning silicone valley to the ground.

>>12093235
Also studying ancient American DNA is racist if a small handful of elderly people who claim American Indian ancestry don't like it

>>12093210
Nuke the west

its a shame anti-chinamen racism is acceptable to lefists. would love to see albert einstein get cancelled because of his anti chinese remarks

>>12093210
All you global warming buffoons who drone on and on about how it's going to end civilization: can it happen already? I'd love for these guys to have an actual problem on their hands.

>>12093227
>canceling inanimate objects based on what they were called at some point in the past
at this rate they're going to have to cancel The White House too, pic related

>>12093255
Eh, but at the same time lefties are afraid to even talk about modern China's terrible problems thanks to China's leftist government and perhaps more important because Trump doesn't like China, its basically like Trump not liking China is all lefties need to implicitly condone the genocide of the Uighurs

Leftists are fucking trying to exterminate this whole ethnic group and we are busy worried about birds in a museum potentially offending people because they were collected on "a racist boat"

>>12093210
Your 0.5 oz of Lysol is in the mail

>>12093293
what does this mean?

>>12093210
Kill the west.

>>12093210
Neither party actually wants to fix anything. They just want to talk about problems to get elected, and then ignore them for 4-8 years so they can run on them again next time.

>>12093210
>Did it start with nuclear energy?
Honestly I think it started with race. Up until WW2 race was real, after WW2 communists (leftists) were pro science to undermine religion and pro nuclear during the arms race and cold war. They wanted a way to get a class war going in the capitalist west, black proletariat vs white bourgeoisie looked like a good option but they'd have to convince everyone (esp blacks) that segregation and disparate IQ numbers were racist and not just people evolving differently.
Blank slaters and lackeys started appearing not too long after WW2.

>>12093244
>>12093424
Shut the fuck up shill

>>12093294
That we're out of Clorox

The environmental movement's lurch toward science denial, opposition to GMOs, technologies that allow far greater quantities of food to be grown on less land with less pesticides. They literally don't care about the science, they pick a stance and run with it, ignoring all evidence

>>12093210
The left has always been anti-science you idiot. Ever heard of Lysenkoism and all the geneticists and biologists that got killed because they couldn't cope with the fact that their government was an insane totalitarianism government that defines what the "truth" is, not them ? Leftism is their worldview, not "science". Science must bend the knee to leftism, when it doesn't, its get ideologically demonized and thrown out, that only an "insane" person would defend science over anti-racism.

This has been going on in the art world for over a decade now, I was wondering when it would spread. So a once loved artist gets exposed for having racist beliefs and that leads to the destruction of his once universally loved art work. The basic take away from this was that art has no merit. The same thing is now happening to science, very interesting.

>>12093227
Christ. If nobody calls it that anymore, why is it a problem? It wasnt even officially callled that by the university

>>12093665
literally people are only aware that it was ever called that because of an old newspaper report. No one even knows if the name was ever common. The whole thing is insane. It a fucking naturally occurring boulder and they want it removed

>>12093210
Because the left is dishonest and rides the ideology that benefits their trash agenda.
They always used to mock Christians with science, but became anti science the moment gender shit and racial IQ came to become problematic.
This is why you don't argue with leftists.

>>12093210
>>12093244

Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.

lol at suggesting evolution is based on science.

>>12093478
Or what, you're going to lick more black people's shoes?

Fuck niggers and fuck America.

>>12093836
t. negro

>>12093210

If a theory works or is "True" then:
1. Why so much credit to the author? He or she didn't MAKE the reality. It is like giving credit to the mail carrier for the contents of your mail.
2. What difference does their life make or their other opinions to the validity and usefulness of the theory? Being right once doesn't change all the times you are wrong.

So why are there any displays of the lives of scientists whatsoever? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to get the emotional or instinctual minds interested in thinking.
If the lives of the authors of scientific theories is not propaganda, it sure looks like a vector of its introduction.

I wonder when will americans stop lumping liberalism and communism together

>>12094781
don't bother, they never will

>>12093836
what?

>>12094770
>a bunch of bullshit to get the emotional or instinctual minds interested in thinking.
Yeah, its a fucking museum, thats what it is there forI think it is useful and interesting to show the specimens that led to the development of modern theories, but thats all besides the point.

No one in that article is saying we should not investigate the history of science in museums, they are saying it is offensive to have specimens that were collected on boats captained by colonialists, or that depictions of crops that were associated with slave economies in any way is offensive

>>12094781
leftist is the proper term for this case, mainstream liberal democrats aren't worried by this shit and are actively being alienated, this is far left quackery

Yes Americans often conflate liberal with far left as both the right and the far left constantly play up that conflation to their advantage (like its lefties trying to portray Scandanavia as a communist utopia just as often as it is right wing people pointing at Cuba and Venezuela, actual leftist places to attack moderate liberals). So i don't think this will end any time soon, we just have to live with it

>>12093210
reminds me the good old commie days of eastern europe, when people were getting into technical degrees, because they were the least politicized, and allowed the greatest intellectual freedom. it was the last bastion of freethinking, most of the sci-fi writers of that era had natural sciences degrees. no wonder they're going to try to attack these.

>>12094841
the sad thing is it seems like, at least based on the wording in the article, that a lot of people that work at the museum are already guilty of thinking like this, like it isn't just outside pressure. Its actually pretty sad

what would quality of life be like around the word if colonialism never happened, would everyone still be poor everywhere?

>>12093210
Tolerance was a mistake.

>>12094817
Care to name a few relevant liberal, calling this kind of stuff bullshit out?
Those moderate-liberal-totally-not-leftists like biden&kamala are paying bail for BLM rioters.

There is no difference between liberals and leftists outside of economics.

>>12094917
I don't think you can conflate people who don't want to upset these people with people who hold these beliefs on their own

>>12094917
>>12095716
and I don't know about powerful politicians' explicit views, but there are a lot of academic people who consider themselves liberals but aren't for this stuff. The problem is people are trying to shun and shame them. This sort of behavior should be off-putting to any educated person, it shouldn't be coddled

>>12093210
>>12093223
Don't know what kind of left works on this to be honest. The history should be showed as is.

>>12094847
I wonder how a chart of overall happiness looks like and how colonialism contributed to that.
Killing local culture and bringing there civilization was a mistake - we're now facing global warming and overpopulation will hit us hard soon.
Also calling this "democracy" is wrong, because it is mostly plutocracy with delusion of simple people having control.

>>12095769
>I wonder how a chart of overall happiness looks like and how colonialism contributed to that.
I don't know exactly how you would go about quantifying happiness, but I think not dying as a child has a lot of merits
>Killing local culture and bringing there civilization was a mistake
Cultures evolve over time, most of the cultures weak enough to be killed would have been killed by their immediate neighbors soon enough anyways, for this most part historical cultures fucking sucked, we choose to remember the best parts and rightfully lament some of those losses, but pretty much everything everywhere was fucking terrible always we just choose to forget the bad stuff
>we're now facing global warming
serious problem but we will get by, certainly worth the benefits we have reaped so far and we are doing a lot to combat it, human ingenuity will certainly persist
>and overpopulation will hit us hard soon
This is nonsense, people have been saying overpopulation was imminent for like 250 years, in which time the world population has increased like 10x and people have more food and resources than ever before. Human technology has been shown to consistently outpace overpopulation concerns, and as more and more of the world becomes affluent birth rates are bound to fall dramatically, I think most predictions have the world population peaking in our lifetime
>Also calling this "democracy" is wrong
I mean there are certainly problems with it, but its still remarkable how well democracy has done

>>12093210
>left
>USA
nice meme

>>12096309
um, London is in the UK, not America

>>12096309
America doesn't have any mainstream far left politicians besides Bernie I guess, but a small but very loud minority of leftists that mainstream democrats are convinced they have to keep happy for some reason

Most of this shot is a power play. Flood the public with useful idiots. Who go around getting over anything available. Social perception pressures people to comply and start changing things. So they don't get labeled a nazi as well. Once you have it established that anything called racist must go. Then you have the power to get rid of anything for what you want in place instead.

>>12096352
some of the stuff that is being called problematic at this point is rather absurd, and its amazing how people just go with it

>>12093210
>Left is anti-science
Shut up and take your meds.

>>12096757
The left and the right are anti-science. Both only use science when convenient for them. Like with so many other things they are more alike than they are different

>got told I can't use the word gender when sexing animals because "you can't ask a duck it's gender"
If I saw a drake pluck off all it's nice shiny feathers and start getting corkscrewed in the ass I'd assume it was very sick.

>>12096782
is this real?

>>12093210

It began with science being the invention of white men, and white men and all of their intellectual products being "problematic". Aside from, you know, all the technology they use 24/7

>>12096787
Why would I make up something so stupid?

>>12093210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

science is a product of classical liberalism. leftism is a new age version of christianity (protomarxism) and is antithetical to liberalism.

>>12095795
I think it's less a facet of democracy and more of a technological advancement that is responsible for the stability of the system

>>12093210
Leftards have always been anti-science.

>>12093210
fuck it i'm going to start filtering this cancer political shit

>>12096803
Actually leftism new age judaism, Christianity was demonized for funding science in the middle ages by jews. You dumbass terrorist.

>>12096803
>schizo jew projecting
Communism was made by jews the left is new age judaism.

>>12093210
Their not entirely anti-science. Just historically revisionist and anti-human-biology.

If anything, the left has been beneficial in spreading climate science. But that's about it.
Political parties are mostly detached from science.

>>12093210
The left has always been anti-science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

>>12095769
I wish white people stayed in Europe and never even touched the tribal peoples around the world.

I want every country to be their own native self without globalism fucking it over. No one wins without globalism except the elites and the bottomdwellers of the Earth.

Eventually Europe will be no more the same way the Chinook or Iroquois are nothing of their formal selves. The Hell, the Britons are already dead, only a few ghosts remain. How sad.

>>12097068
Well, with global warming you might get your wish, after the dust settles.

>>12097073
:^(

>>12097066
A Stalinist aberration, nothing more.

>>12097066
This is very true. Its not the left likes science when they use it, its that it fits their political narrative. Today, whatever fits the left's narrative is science and whatever doesn't is fake.
1+1 is whatever the party says it is.

>>12097066
I'm still salty over them executing botanists who were breeding new and better strains of crops and then complain about starvation

>>12097066
except that epigenetics has utterly redeemed lysenko

>epigenetics has utterly redeemed lysenko

>>12097175
>>12097146
your epigenome isn't passed down to your children

>>12097146
pro-tip: it hasn't. epigenetics are a modulation layer on top of genetics. but they are very much controlled by genetics themselves. for instance methylation can only occur on cytosines and adenines so the degree to which a sequence can be methylated depends on that. secondly supposing a promoter region is methylated the same amount of methylation will change the overall transcription rate differently when the base rate differs. so no epigenetics has not redeemed lysenko at all.

>>12097184
this too. sperm and eggs are epigenetically reset so that they can form babby.

>>12097104
Laughable. We're in the middle of a pandemic were rightwingers are pretending it isn't real and pushing antivaxx nonsense.

>>12093210
science isn't about flowery bs that is all leftism is.

>>12097238
The cdc has come out and stated you're not at risk if you're young. The Navy has all but lifted restrictions internally. Several universities have found your chances of dying to covid are 1 in 19 million. The politicians who continue to push the lockdowns don't even follow them. The lockdowns, the masks, its not about science, its about politics. Anyone who has actually read the science knows this.

>>12097250
One day it will just magically go away. Until then we just inject lysol and pop hydroxychloroquine.

>>12093210

Imagine seriously trying to blame the "left" of being anti-science when the right has CONSISTENTLY on a YEARLY BASIS REJECTED CLIMATE SCIENCE, for YEARS, denied STEM CELL RESEARCH because of abortion, DENIED ATHEISM, DENIED ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING, DENIED SAVING THE PLANET, DENIED HUNTING LICENSES, denied anything at all.

and then come on here with a "heh, got them liberals as anti science" as if you fucking DEGENERATES haven't ruined science as is you fucking cocksuckers.

If you're going to stand for something stand for it, don't reject it then blame others for rejecting it you fucking cowards.

THE RIGHT IS FULL OF TRASH

>>12097264
Oh yeah but did you see that liberal professor on twitter saying there are more than two genders?

check mate libtard

>>12097264
>DENIED SAVING THE PLANET
lol this lvl of delusion.

>>12097266
what about the one denying biological sex?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fDRERJh4w

>>12097255
I'm not arguing it will go away, I'm arguing it was never a big deal to begin with. Approximately 900k people have been reported to have died from covid. Several state departments of health have admitted these numbers are inflated. There's tons of people who go to get tested then leave before they do the test and get a call saying they're positive.
We know the numbers are inflated. Countries like sweden never locked down and are doing fine, while Italy was one of the first western countries to lockdown and got absolutely fucked.
Hydorxychlorquine has been proven effective as an early treatment and preventative measure in multiple clinical studies.
Again, you clearly haven't read any scientific literature on the matter and are just regurgitating CNN talking points.

>>12097274
>Hydorxychlorquine has been proven effective as an early treatment and preventative measure in multiple clinical studies.
>Again, you clearly haven't read any scientific literature on the matter
The ironing.

>>12097284
>Studies showing reduced symptom length and mortality when treated with Hydroxychloroquine

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220305348
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v3

>reduced viral loading with hydroxychloroquine

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996?casa_token=jr7E5TIRKEwAAAAA:yIEbnVX19t-9OqxdcaVPHsuoaoRu7TD8S2E88ma6AyQxyZXp9OaY4_XsJYQ1Vy9UdSNL0usRYg

>>12097301
Why did you say HCQ is "effective as an early treatment and preventative measure" and then post studies not showing that?

I really hope you're not in the medical field if you don't see the problems with these studies.

>>12097313
>Hydroxychloroquine provided a 66% hazard ratio reduction, and hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin 71% compared to neither treatment (p < 0.001).

Can you read sir

>>12097324
This study has some problems. I'm sure you're aware of it you being such a big reader of scientific literature.

>>12097068
>I want every country to be their own native self without globalism fucking it over.
It would definitely be interesting to see how other cultures would develop.
But to believe Africa for example would be better off without the west is ridiculous.

>>12097250
so what if you’re not young?

>>12093210
I'm waiting for all this to collapse in on itself desu

>>12097274
Sweden did recommend its citizens to lock down and it only worked because they are not fucking retards and had examples of what would happen if they don’t conform.
Italy had its outbreak before there was even talk about lockdowns. Same with spain. Once the lockdown started both countries stabilized.

Schizos claiming science and reason are pathetic.

>>12097343
This is the second time you've alluded to the problems of the study. This is a common argument when you don't have an argument: making broad generalizations without any specific evidence.
Why don't you point out some of these flaws?

>>12097351
Young is relative, below 60 in this case. If you're not young, it would probably be advisable to wear a mask or avoid crowded places, but leaving the economy closed is not a viable option.

its quite obvious its all politics when the politicians pushing the lock downs don't follow it.

>>12097238
>pushing antivaxx nonsense.
It's your team's vice presidential candidate that's spreading FUD about "Trump's" covid vaccine.

>>12093210
Nah, it's always been a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

They never accepted evolution themselves.
They wanted Christianity and Darwinists out of the way, and used divide and conquer to achieve it.
Now that christianity is irrelevant, they no longer need to pretend to care about evolution, and they can revert to their lysenkoism, while you become the new christians.

Leftists are critical debaters.
Their strategies revolve around focusing debates purely on internal inconsistencies in opposing positions, rather than on contrasting their own position with the opposing position.
This creates an issue where a 99% consistent set of positions can be discarded because of the 1% inconsistency, and replaced with a 0% consistent position, because no comparison between positions was ever made.
Notice that almost all leftist literature is a "critique" of something, never a comparison between things, or a proposal for how to achieve something.

>>12097404
Well, it's a retrospective observational study for starters and the patients were given glucocorticoids at the same time.
Guess which one has been proven to work in randomized controlled trials.

The Chinese link you provided has not even been peer-reviewed yet and has a very small number of patients.

The French one has 20 patients. 20.

I'm sure you have read the studies pointing in another direction regarding HCQ?

It really makes me think this has nothing to do with finding an actual effective treatment and it's just part of your dumb culture war.

>>12097428
Weird how 80% of democrats say they are willing to take a vaccine but only 47% republicans.

And pic related btw.

>>12093210
Politics is inherently "anti-science" as the truth without context is threatening to any political ruler. Therefore the political factions of the time select truths that benefit them and try to subvert truths that may hinder their success. This has been true since the first civilizations existed. In general humans are no more pro science than they were 6000 years ago, only thing that has changed is the level of rigour applied to science (in most cases). If you want proof of this look at what american politics has become, it's very data driven, but all of these studies are chartered and given to political think tanks by polarized political operators, with the knowledge the the think tank will come to the conclusion that helps their agenda. I don't have sauce but there was a study done on PTSD by the army, it turns out that a lot of suicides and PTSD are caused by actual physical damage to the brain from shockwaves moving through it (IEDs). When the army found it may be on the hook to pay out disability to thousands of soldiers who turned out to have physical brain damage from active duty, they suspended the study. This is just an example of agenda opposing truth. There is no political party of science.

>British tabloid writes gibberish
>/pol/shitters regurgitate it over /sci/
Every fucking day.

>>12093214
Kek

>>12097636
>There is no political party of science
Pretty much this.

Left-wing parties like to masquerade as being the party of science, but that's more because academics lean left.
I think that academia is in a really bad state in the west just because it's become politicized, and academics will self-censor, or censor each other. At this point, studies are only credible if you agree with them.

The worst thing about politics is that it's responsible for most of the problems with education. The U.S. can't fix its public education because the teacher's unions have deep ties to the Democratic party.
I honestly wonder if it's just a product of democratic politics. Seeing how a monarchy or dictatorship would handle things would be interesting. Most cases would probably end up like China, though.

>>12093210
they are only FOR science whenever it suits their own agendas, OBVIOUSLY, and even then they love to spin it a little bit, like when they talk about global warming using their charged rhetoric and turn believers into a skeptics

journos have also always been notoriously bad at reporting science. there so many instances of this, like for example when they nicknamed the higgs boson the "god particle" because some tone deaf autist misinterpreted some book, and fuck me it sticked. now everyone feels like they desperately need to gouge their eyes out whenever they read it.

because scientists are faggy control freaks. fuck them all. i would like to see they take notes on the ass raping they recieve and have those notes peer reviewed.

>>12097788
>Self censor or censor others
In china this happened during the cultural revolution. The politically savvy academics could see which way the wind was blowing and pretended to not believe in relativity etc. Because it was capitalist think and they would flogged by students.

>>12097264
>atheism
>science

>>12097877
Exactly this.
Every "scientist" who is also an atheist is a pseud at best

>>12097893
>>12097877
Are you two having problems understanding atheism and agnosticism?

>>12093590
>The left has always been anti-science you idiot.

You're seeing everything in simplistic black and white terms. Many on the left are very pro-nuclear - George Monbiot for example. Furthermore the reason he changed his stance from neutral to pro-nuclear was Fukushima, reasoning (quite rightly) "A crappy old plant with inadequate safety features was hit by a monster earthquake and a vast tsunami.[…] Yet, as far as we know no one has yet received a lethal dose of radiation." (since revised to 1 death). That is not the reaction of someone who is anti-science despite being on the left.

>>12097411
lots of people still have to be intubated, even young ones. Cutting back on unnecessary economic growth for a few months is no a huge price to pay if we can eradicate a maybe not critically dangerous, but at least problematic disease. It’s not like humanity has to give up its infrastructure and technology.

>>12098364
I think the real risk of the lockdowns is that they exasperate other physical and mental issues.
Being discouraged from meeting with people leaves people isolated and alone, which is a big cause of depression. Young people in particular suffered from a lack of genuine interaction as-is, and being forced to talk to people online makes that worse.
Physical health will also suffer. Since most gyms are closed, people generally can't work out as much. That said, they are allowed to walk and run, so physical problems aren't as bad as mental ones (though they will obviously interact with each other)

Plus, the coronavirus isn't going to be eradicated. It'll eventually become manageable, but it can adapt and evolve.

>>12093210
>No source
Nice try, we are not going back to the days of monkey trials

>>12098381
>tfw actual arguments on /sci
the point of controlling the spread is to be able to save time for vaccinations, which are coming, and to spread the load on hospitals over time. Wearing masks and not sneezing at people is really not a problem, though I agree that public meetups seems beneficial for mental health. In most places (at least in central europe) you can still go out with your friends in small groups, which is totally fine for me.
As far as I know, tourism suffers the hardest impact, but this is one of the sectors that will bounce back fast and hard once this shit is over.

>>12098528
I think the social aspect is worst for young adults, especially those going into college, just because they're not as well-established socially. Plus, their main social activities consist of partying and such.

>Tourism suffers the hardest impact
True. Tourism doesn't really affect peoples' health (outside of the risk of spreading disease), since it's really just a luxury.
I don't know if it will bounce back. I partially hope it doesn't, though it's not much of a bubble.

>tfw actual arguments on /sci/
/sci/ is one of the better boards for discussion. I mostly browse /v/ and /tg/. Even the more serious posts there are of average quality.
I think it's the speed, and the topic filters people somewhat.

>>12098383
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/05/natural-history-museum-review-potentially-offensive-charles/
took me all of three seconds to google the headline and fine the specific article they took the picture from

anyone interested in why this is happening and where it's going needs to listen to one of James Lindsay's talks on youtube, or buy his book on critical theory.
He's a mathematician who wrote a bunch of insane hoax papers to some feminist journal and got 7 of them published.
In one of them he copy pasted parts of mein kampf, substituting Jews for white males.

>>12093266
this... unfortunately..

>>12093266
>>12099108

>>12093210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-FVctaW3j0

because communism always assumes that nurture wins over nature
only someone that assumes nurture triumphs over nature can argue that gender is a construct and that by merely acting and dressing as the other gender you do become so
the very act of declaring that you can change gender at will is a triumph over nature
it's anti science in nature

it's not much different with Nazi Germany, Ubermenschen triumphing over nature

Liberalism on the other hand is the opposite, it assumes that man had to flee from nature and bring forth a slave manifestation of nature (technology) that it could use against it. It doesn't stop there because the robot want's to come alive and the only way to do that is by robbing people of their humanity (the robot needs a soul). This is what nature has done originally and thus people declared nature evil with the advent of the Age of Enlightenment.

This is typical what a slave does when it revolts, it doesn't look for freedom but for a new master and it destroys his master with his slave morality. All those psychological problems and all that pollution that are amassing in the western world serves the robot.

>>12093210
The picture is more the topic of historical revisionism rather than anti-science.

The left and the right both have certain bodies of science they tend to ignore or outright reject.

Righties typically have problems with climate science, the genetics and biology of sex and gender, and the neuroscience of mental health and mental illnesses. More recently, righties have decided that pathology and germ theory is also not for them.

Lefties typically have problems with energy (e.g., nuclear energy), agricultural science (e.g., GMOs vs organic), and health science in general (see hippies and their healing crystals).

Of course, there are groups in both camps that do better or worse than their peers, but those are some of the big ones I've noticed. In my *personal* opinion, righties tend to be bigger offenders of science than lefties in that they deny more overall, are more entrenched in their ignorance, and reject bodies of science that are of greater consequence to society. That is NOT to say left-wing science denial is inconsequential, just slightly less of a problem. But again, this is my opinion, not a quantified fact.

>>12093210
>Professor Silverhorn, I was in the library the other day, in the Problematic Section, and I read something rather odd about a bit of rare biology. It's called, as I understand it... Chromosomes.

>I beg your pardon.

>Chromosomes. I came across the term while reading and I didn't fully understand it.

>I'm not sure what you were reading, Tom, but this is very toxic stuff. Very toxic indeed.

>Which is why I came to you.

>Chromosomes are thread-like structures located inside the nucleus of animal and plant cells. They contain DNA which gives people specific traits.

>But I don't understand how that works.

>One copulates with a partner and passes on their genetic material. By doing so, the traits of the offspring are determined, should the egg be fertilized.

>Determined?

>The number and type of Chromosomes determines the traits.

>And which traits are determined, sir?

>I think you already know the answer to that, Tom.

>Gender.

>Yes, chromosomes determine gender. It's a violation against gender theory.

>Can they limit the number of genders? For instance, aren't two...

>Two? Marx's beard, Tom! Isn't it bad enough to consider limiting the number of genders a person can identify with? To crush the Spectrum into two pieces... This is all hypothetical, isn't it, Tom? All academic?

>Of course, sir. It'll be our little secret.

>>12098666
>took me all of three seconds to google the headline and fine the specific article they took the picture from
If you'd spent another three seconds reading it you would have noticed that it's baseless speculation.

/pol/ needs to fuck off.

>>12099255
>Leftists don't have problems with the genetics and biology of sex and gender.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0163638300000321

Sex differences in human neonatal social perception

Sexual dimorphism in sociability has been documented in humans. The present study aimed to ascertain whether the sexual dimorphism is a result of biological or socio-cultural differences between the two sexes. 102 human neonates, who by definition have not yet been influenced by social and cultural factors, were tested to see if there was a difference in looking time at a face (social object) and a mobile (physical-mechanical object). Results showed that the male infants showed a stronger interest in the physical-mechanical mobile while the female infants showed a stronger interest in the face. The results of this research clearly demonstrate that sex differences are in part biological in origin.

>>12099706
www.nature.com/articles/srep19669

Experience-independent sex differences in newborn macaques: Females are more social than males

Human females exhibit greater social interest and skills relative to males, appearing in infancy, suggesting biological roots; however, male and female infants may be treated differently, potentially causing or amplifying sex differences. Here, we tested whether sex differences in social motivation emerge in infant monkeys (n=48) reared in a controlled postnatal environment. Compared to males, females at 2–3 weeks looked more at conspecifics’ faces (d=0.65), especially the eyes (d=1.09) and at 4–5 weeks exhibited more affiliative behaviors (d=0.64), including gesturing, looking and proximity to familiar and unfamiliar human caretakers. In sum, converging evidence from humans and monkeys suggests that female infants are more social than males in the first weeks of life and that such differences may arise independent of postnatal experience. Individual differences in social interest have wide-ranging developmental consequences, impacting infants’ social interaction quality and opportunities for learning. Understanding the evolution of sex differences and their developmental emergence is necessary to best support infants with varying levels of sociality.

>>12099707
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/icd.2064

Sex differences in children's toy preferences: A systematic review, meta‐regression, and meta‐analysis

From an early age, most children choose to play with toys typed to their own gender. In order to identify variables that predict toy preference, we conducted a meta‐analysis of observational studies of the free selection of toys by boys and girls aged between 1 and 8 years. From an initial pool of 1788 papers, 16 studies (787 boys and 813 girls) met our inclusion criteria. We found that boys played with male‐typed toys more than girls did (Cohen's d = 1.03, p < .0001) and girls played with female‐typed toys more than boys did (Cohen's d = −0.91, p < .0001). Meta‐regression showed no significant effect of presence of an adult, study context, geographical location of the study, publication date, child's age, or the inclusion of gender‐neutral toys... Findings are discussed in terms of possible contributions of environmental influences and age‐related changes in boys' and girls' toy preferences. Despite methodological variation in the choice and number of toys offered, context of testing, and age of child, the consistency in finding sex differences in children's preferences for toys typed to their own gender indicates the strength of this phenomenon and the likelihood that has a biological origin.

>>12099709
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982210014491

Sex differences in chimpanzees' use of sticks as play objects resemble those of children

Sex differences in children's toy play are robust and similar across cultures 1, 2. They include girls tending to play more with dolls and boys more with wheeled toys and pretend weaponry. This pattern is explained by socialization by elders and peers, male rejection of opposite-sex behavior and innate sex differences in activity preferences that are facilitated by specific toys [1]. Evidence for biological factors is controversial but mounting. For instance, girls who have been exposed to high fetal androgen levels are known to make relatively masculine toy choices [3]. Also, when presented with sex-stereotyped human toys, captive female monkeys play more with typically feminine toys, whereas male monkeys play more with masculine toys [1]. In human and nonhuman primates, juvenile females demonstrate a greater interest in infants, and males in rough-and-tumble play. This sex difference in activity preferences parallels adult behavior and may contribute to differences in toy play [1]. Here, we present the first evidence of sex differences in use of play objects in a wild primate, in chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes). We find that juveniles tend to carry sticks in a manner suggestive of rudimentary doll play and, as in children and captive monkeys, this behavior is more common in females than in males.

>>12099255
>the neuroscience of mental health and mental illnesses

>>12099706
I didn't say leftists don't have problems with the genetics of biology of sex and gender, I just gave a list of some common anti-science peddling on both ends. Sorry if you didn't agree with my list but this isn't watchmojo

>>12099255
>righties... deny more overall, are more entrenched in their ignorance, and reject bodies of science that are of greater consequence to society

>>12099485
>An internal review, sanctioned in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, has led to an audit into some rooms, statues, and collected items that could potentially cause offence.
>It warns that collections which some may find “problematic” could include specimens gathered by Darwin, whose voyage to the Galapagos Island on HMS Beagle was cited by a curator as one of Britain’s many “colonialist scientific expeditions”.
what part of this is speculation? it's quite evident that their main concern is not offending leftard feefees and not the facts.

>>12099255
>Righties typically have problems with... the genetics and biology of sex and gender, and the neuroscience of mental health and mental illnesses.
wdym?

>>12099485
>it's baseless speculation
What is?

>>12099717
>very conservative
>14.88
Big Think.

>>12099485
>/pol/ needs to fuck off.

>>12099717
What is the conclusion being drawn here? That lefties tend to have more mental illnesses? That's fine, but that's not the claim I made in my post.

>>12097264
>DENIED ATHEISM

>>12099255
>Righties typically have problems with climate science,
what lefties call climate science is economy destroying policy advocacy that ends up funneling industry to other countries.
>the genetics and biology of sex and gender,
that is lefties who deny the binary nature of sperm and eggs, you know the thing which defines sex.
>and the neuroscience of mental health and mental illnesses.
considering lefties don't want to acknowledge that gender dysphoria is a kind of body dysmorphia i'd say that it's lefties who have a problem with this.
>More recently, righties have decided that pathology and germ theory is also not for them.
funny since lefties are the ones who are dirty and have a broken disgust responses to germs.

>>12097264
>DENIED ATHEISM!

>>12099720
>In my *personal* opinion
>opinion
>(implied anecdotes that led to the formation of that opinion)

>>12097264
>reddit spacing
You have to go back.

>>12093210
>The left
You mean the rights false flag

>>12099741
>anecdotes
What anecdotes?

>>12093266
Leftists are the only ones talking about the problems with China. Are you retarded? The right are calling them based because they agree with authoritarian regimes and cheap plastic goods

>>12097264
t.

>>12099724
I mean, righties have a tendency to think XX = female and XY = female is true 100% of the time because that's the simplified version that's given in high school textbooks.

And also, the majority of people I've talked to that think depression and anxiety can be cured by taking a walk through the woods are righties.

I am not making an written-in-stone claim here about the overall trends, I am stating what I have noticed and making very general statement about those experiences.

>>12099750
lmao, leftists are the ones funded by china and steeped in apologia. the right wants to bring industry out of china while the left screeches at them for being "racist".

>>12097264
>DENIED ATHEISM
what did he mean by this

>>12097264
>this post
atheists confirmed retarded i guess

>>12099753
that is more accurate than outright denial of biological sex as we get from the lefties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fDRERJh4w
the fact is sex is a binary system, sperm and eggs. lefties deny this because of lgbt orthodoxy where women aka human females can have testes.

>>12099755
>And I base that on absolutely nothing

>>12099753

>>12099764
There is no such thing as "lefties". The people you are referring to are not leftists, but propaganda machines designed by right wing media moguls to make actual leftists look stupid, and push public opinion on many topics towards the right.

>>12099770
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/04/19/trumps-anti-chinese-racist-campaign-strategy-mobilizes-right-wing-extremists
>baww how dare drumpf criticize china?????

>>12099776
>There is no such thing as "lefties".
lol. nice try at gaslighting.
>The people you are referring to are not leftists, but propaganda machines designed by right wing media moguls to make actual leftists look stupid, and push public opinion on many topics towards the right.
right, fox is paying all those frothing at the mouth rioters to smash up and burn down cities.

>>12099776
>There is no such thing as "lefties". The people you are referring to are not leftists, but propaganda machines designed by right wing media moguls to make actual leftists look stupid
What level of cope is this.

>>12099782
>right, fox is paying all those frothing at the mouth rioters to smash up and burn down cities.
A result of their propaganda

>>12099776
>propaganda machines designed by right wing media moguls to make actual leftists look stupid
lmao

>>12099783
Tell me more about how Soros is ruining the world, retard

>>12099776
>>12099785
are you schizophrenic?

>>12099786
>I believe everything I read on 4chan but it has no effect on me! I can't be influenced by what I read...

>>12099785
>A result of their propaganda
uhuh yeah, fox was the ones telling them that the cops are in o conspiracy of hunting down black people in droves. sure wasn't the demoralized lib arts profs spouting that gibberish.

>>12099785
>A result of their propaganda
What did he mean by this

>>12099791
>leftists don’t exist!
>they’re right wing propaganda!
Seek help.

>>12099788
Are you? You've spammed this thread with reaction images and right wing propaganda, constantly referring to these fictitious lefties that coincidentally are never around to defend themselves, and never communicate with you directly... Sounds legit

>>12099791
You're saying the BLM and Antifa rioters are reading Fox News, and this is the cause of their rioting? Is that actually, literally what you're claiming?

>>12099796
>It's all because of the lefties!!!
Zero self awareness

>>12099800
explain this guy.

>>12099801
I'm saying that the right is behind the propaganda that they read

>>12099803
Anon, you schizophrenic retard, you literally claimed >>12099776 that there is no such thing as lefties and that they are "propaganda machines designed by right wing media moguls to make actual leftists look stupid" (lmao).

>>12099805
Glowie

>>12099808
>the right (which DOES exist but the left does not) is behind left wing publications
Is this what you're claiming?

>>12099809
Yes I know. They're an invention.

>>12099812
so a dead glowie with a blm neck tattoo?

>>12099800
>You've spammed this thread with reaction images and right wing propaganda
Like?

>>12099800
>fictitious lefties
>fictitious
You are a lunatic. You are literally deranged. Please seek help.

>>12099814
>The left does not
Nice try Rupert, but maybe you could read my original post where I laid it out exactly. The "leftists", that is the people you are constantly railing against, are an invention.

>>12099800
blm and pantifa are fictitious?

>>12099808
>I'm saying that the right is behind the propaganda that they read
that's a funny way of saying marxist subverters. have you even looked at what the crit race theorists write? they are out and open about their goal being subversion of liberalism.

>>12099818
>They're an invention
So leftists don't exist, they're all paid actors?

>>12099833
>it's not leftism unless it's exactly my utopia ideal

>>12099824
>The "leftists", that is the people you are constantly railing against, are an invention.
How so?

>>12099827
Yeah, in the sense that they are grassroots movements started by leftist ideology. They are actually invented by the right

>>12099824
>are an invention
yes, completely make-believe when they ransack the town because some dumbass with black skin posed a real threat to cops and was put down.

>>12099776
>>12099785
>>12099791
>>12099800
>>12099808
>>12099818
>>12099824
>n-n-nooooo leftists aren't real I swear
>t-they're just trying to make us look bad it's all a conspiracy!!!!1
you seriously need help

>>12099830
>I'll subvert society and then use social media to blame my actions on the Marxists that nobody ever knew of or heard from before

>>12099843
>BLM and Pantifa were invented by the right
Proof?

>>12099846
There you go again with the gaslighting that has been pretty much nonstop on this site for the past 10 years

>>12099848
meanwhile in reality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE

>>12099843
>blm and antifa are actually invented by the right
ahahahahahahahahaha how are those mental gymnastics going for ya

>>12099851
Right there in your picture.

>>12099848
So the riots aren't real? The protesters are paid actors? There are no Marxists among them?

>>12093210
The right are just as anti-science if not worse
> Anti vaxxers
> Conspiracy nuts who outright deny the existence of the COVID pandemic
You alt right faggots and the left that you hate are both retards equally far from common sense.

>>12099860
The people who started it were certainly not.

>>12099855
Where?

>>12099864
Before 10 years ago I never heard of any actual leftists parading around and labelling themselves as Marxists, especially on posters. But you know, I guess if the poster says they're a Marxist, then it must be true...

>>12099863
>The people who started it were certainly not.
Were not what?

>>12093210
https://discord.gg/rdzBstp

>>12099862
>worse
Remind us who is literally looting and burning down major cities because they don't understand statistics?

>>12099787
ad hominem is a poor way of deflecting from the truth

>>12099776
>right wing media moguls
Which ones might those be?

>>12099776
>The people you are referring to are not leftists

>>12099862
> Anti vaxxers
Leftists are more anti-vax you blathering idiot.
>The award for the most anti-vaccine state in the country goes to Oregon. This is not a surprise; the citizens of Portland are also afraid of fluoride. Thus, 4 of the 5 most anti-vaccine states are solid blue. (If Illinois is included, 5 of the 6 most anti-vaccine states are solid blue.) Including Illinois, 8 of the 12 most anti-vaccine states voted for Obama.
>The two most pro-vaccine states are solid red, and 5 of the 8 most pro-vaccine states overwhelmingly voted for Romney.
>Second, as a whole, the conservative and religious Deep South is the most pro-vaccine part of the country.
>The bottom line is that the CDC data makes it very difficult to argue that conservatives and liberals share equal blame in the anti-vaccine war. Anti-vaxxers are clearly more associated with the political Left.
https://www.realclearscience.com/journal_club/2014/10/20/are_liberals_or_conservatives_more_anti-vaccine_108905.html

>>12099785
>I can't control my own actions
>I'm gonna blame it on fox news
Well at least you admit the rioters are subhuman

>>12099750
>Leftists are the only ones talking about the problems with China
Are you fucking insane? China is the last bastion of leftist power in the world, and Trump doesn't like it so western leftists are all fucking silent about China
>The right are calling them based
What the fuck alternate reality do you live in where republicans are calling China based? They are starting dumb as fuck trade wars as we speak

>>12099901
Murdoch, for one. Nice picture btw, proves my point. Endless propaganda.

>>12099787
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-george-soros-broke-the-bank-of-thailand-2016-9

>>12099919
>China
>Leftist
Lol

>>12099910
>Blue and Red
>Left and right
Good one dipshit

>>12099787
https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/
>Liberal funders such as George Soros, Rob McKay, and other Democracy Alliance donors have given millions of dollars to groups associated with the movement, which have in total raked in over $133 million.

>>12099926
>my bullshit claim was debunked
Thanks for conceding.

>>12099920
>Endless propaganda.
lol like that's not the msm.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-bias-left-study/

>>12099924
they are literally the torch bearer for leftism, they straight up define the movement being the only successful leftist regime in the history of the world

>>12099933
And the authoritarian capitalist regime is leftist because... What, they use "communist" in their name?

>>12099937
>it's not leftism unless it's my deluded utopia dream of what i think leftism theory will look like, not what it actually turns into in practice.
this is why we call you ppl useful idiots.

>>12099931
More right wing propaganda

>>12099946
>everything that bursts my naive commie bubble is right wing propaganda

>>12099937
authoritarian and leftist are essentially synonyms
China had some very modest capitalist lite reforms in the late 80s and 90s that have led to tremendous increases in prosperity for their people but they are still the most important far leftist nation in the world by a huge margin

>>12099776
>There is no such thing as "lefties".

>>12099941
Who are you quoting Rupert?
Your argument that leftists support china is based on your assumption (or outright lie) that china is run by a leftist regime. Neither are true, but even if the latter was true, the former couldn't be assumed based on that fact. You are an idiot, or disingenuous liar. Pick.

>>12099776

Leftism is inherently destructive. It rebels against established traditions and authority structures and tries to tear them down.
Modern leftists are a victim of their own success. The liberal agenda was almost completely achieved by the 70s. What do you think happens when the massive political machinery of a powerful faction achieves complete success? They just dismantle it all and go home? No, they look for new targets.

>>12099949
More gaslighting.

>>12099958
What does that even mean? I guess a midwit would find this to be some chilling revelation of truth

>>12099956
i'm not quoting anyone, you dimwitted fool. leftism always was and always has been a means to usurp power by deluding gullible fools like you into believing you're gonna get a slice of pie that was denied to you be the ebil capitalists. the truth is all you end up getting is the bootlicking you purport to hate, even moreso than you had under capitalism which is really just a failing of you to provide a net market benefit to your fellow man. so now the commissars you install will have even more control over your life as you stand in the bread lines. that is all leftism ever is in practice. retarded utopian ideals to catch morons like you hook line and sinker for a new order where you're even more poor but at least equally with your retarded comrades who aren't in charge.

>>12099971
More propaganda or regurgitated nonsense. Can you respond to the argument without resorting to some rhetorical polemic?

>>12099977
funny how every single time you useful idiots get enticed by leftism it ends up in an impoverished authoritarian bootlicking shitfest. but hey, that's just propaganda by fox. funny how reality has a fox news bias then.

>>12099970
It means exactly what it says.
I'm not accountable for your lack of reading comprehension or any drafts that may be in your apartment.
One thing I want you to notice is how my post contained a substantive premise, while your post is completely devoid of even good faith, much less an actual argument.
Ironically, a pattern I've noticed is that your style of post is much more likely to be employed by actual midwits than the opposite.
The defining characteristic of a midwit is his smug sense of intellectual superiority despite lacking any sort of ability or accomplishments. This sense of his superiority can be protected by refusing to engage in dialogue with others and instead casually dismissing or insulting them. By refusing to engage seriously, you can remain content with a magical omniscience that is never disproven because never tested.

>>12099863
>The people who started it were certainly not.
They literally are >>12099851

>>12099984
The only reason 1st world countries aren't Dickensian shitholes like china are because of leftism.

>>12099989
I guess it would be hard to lie and put it on a banner...

>>12099869
>We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEUbSzOTZ8

>>12099993
meanwhile in reality.

>>12099776
OH NONONONONO
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOOK AT THIS NIGGER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>12100000
checked

>>12099996
Are you capable of reading, retard?
https://youtu.be/p7C6tNjiRKY?t=27
What backpedaling and mental gymnastics are you going to reply with now?

>>12099993

>>12099993
communism is literally centuries old
you fucking morons are unable to let go of it even after 100 million people died
you are more wrong than any person thats ever existed, kys

>>12100007
Yeah, if they said it it must be true...

>>12100010
Why do you keep conflating communism with leftistm? Could it be some kind of political lie designed to turn people to the political right?

>>12100013
Yes.

>>12100024
not him, but it's not a conflation. milder leftists never disown the commies in their ranks and just end up being tools for their insurrection. might as well just treat the entire left from the left edge of left of center as commies.

To anyone out here that still cares about the quality of the posts on this board, remember to apply the I.H.R technique on these threads:
>identify /pol/ threads
>hide /pol/ threads
>report /pol/ threads

For the /sci/ oldfags:
Identifying these bait threads is pretty easy, with just reading the title and the content you can rapidly infer what actual discussion do they want to have and what narrative do they want to push. Do not waste time on arguing, either hide and report or shitpost it into oblivion. We must stop playing naïve; it is not "IQ thread", it is "we want to shit on niggers"; it is not "Climate change", it is "I want to speak pseudoscience". It is obviously common that these threads will relate to some political discussion (mainly those related to sex and race). Again, we are not /pol/ #2, this board should be math and science discussion, not whether or not you think masks are useful based on your dogma. Recognizing these threads and understanding that they are not science is the first step into solving this problem.

For the /pol/acks:
>inb4 boogeyman
You will answer that no matter how many times someone points that out; you will always say it in order to deflect obvious truth: that the post was done without the intention to discuss scientific inquiry and that it aims to uphold racism. Being here, it is not our duty to be against racism, but it is also not our duty to support it, much less dedicate 300 daily bait threads per week.
>"you So y for posting this" [insert wojak]
Dismissible.
>Cringe
Dismissible.
>libtard/leftist/whatever
Dismissible.
>automatic buzzword (rent free, you are not a woman, etc)
Dismissible.

>>12100035
Sounds like you've been brainwashed by the same propaganda.

>>12100036
>>>/reddit/

>>12100024
>Why do you keep conflating communism with leftistm?
yeah i wonder why
>>12100036
get a new picture you shitty fucking newfag

>>12100040
>brainwashed
oh the pottery. you literally believe blm was started by fox news.

>>12100036
>unable to refute any of those points so just comes up with a wall of text post to justify your lack of argument skills
Impressive mental gymnastics friend. Careful not to sprain yourself.

>>12099852
>you've been gaslighting mefor 10 years!!!!!
take your meds

>>12100052
Go back to stormfront retard

>>12100058

>>12100044
I wonder too, maybe you could answer it

>>12099920
>Murdoch
You mean Rupert "Open Borders" Murdoch?

>>12100036
seems to be guaranteed replies from the butthurt /pol/fags
it never fails kek

>>12100064
ok try to define leftism in such a way that it isnt just communism lite
>>12100066
get a life

>>12100067
aren't you taking this a bit too seriously?
just don't get butthurt bro

>>12100024
communism is leftism, its not simply conflation, its just reality

>>12099776
>it's propaganda
>it can't be my own fellow party members are retards!

I thought you were the smart board /sci/.

>>12100058
no really, take your meds and smell the roses

>>12100062
>Everyone I don't like is a leftie

>>12100074
bruh /sci/ is fucking stupid. One of these fuckers refused to believe that electric cars have hydraulic systems and radiators.

>>12100074
>Party members
What party is that Rupert?

>>12100074
>/sci/
>smart board
pick one, the only smart board on 4chan is /o/

>>12100088
His argument is that anyone who acknowledges lefties exist is stormfront tho.

>>12100097
Anyone who has been on this site longer than 5 years knows you're from stormfront.

>>12100096
/o/ is exclusively teenagers

>>12093489
time for you meds buddy

>>12099750
congratulations this is the most retarded thing I've read in a while

>>12099910
what kind of retarded society still uses fluoride?
lmao every study for the last 20 years has recommended against it

>>12097270
Lol, predicting economies in 80 years.

>>12094770
>So why are there any displays of the lives of scientists whatsoever? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to get the emotional or instinctual minds interested in thinking
Congratulations, genius, you have just invented museum

>>12100101
This is what schizophrenia looks like.