/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12088884
New thread precisely when old was at 600.
Almost got quints too >>12088888
Yep, this is going to be a good thread.

>>12088884
Boca Chica last day recap vid here, watch at 2x playback speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0HwmLysNmE

>>12088884
This is the closest i have

>>12088884
and lo, as it was fortold, all of the wealthy people go to mars to escape the problems of earth, and they die off pretty quickly as none of them know how to do anything but trick others out of money.

they all starved and suffocated.

>>12088912
it is not my fault you couldn't go to college, wagie

live webcam pointed at McGregor when?

>>12088912
>implying the rich will be the first ones to go to a barren desert hellscape

what do you have to do to be a martian colonist? I know we're not doing it yet but I want to do it when we are

Today in history:
>1929 – Andriyan Nikolayev, Russian general, pilot, and astronaut, is born (died 2004).
>1977 – Voyager Programme: NASA launches the Voyager 1 spacecraft.
>1984 – STS-41-D: The Space Shuttle Discovery lands after its maiden voyage.

>>12088916
elon musk still owes me money for stealing my drone booster idea.

>This is supposedly the greatest Aerospace company on the planet
what a complete fucking joke jesus christ. Imagine thinking THIS piece of shit is going to get to mars. Looks like a fucking scrapyard, fuck spacex, just look at any NASA, Boeing, Lockheed etc facility. Clean, organized, and scientific. Fuck this shit and fuck SpaceX shit.

>>12088925
Learn some useful skill, anything that is not gender studies or the likes.

>>12088930
Cry more commie

>>12088930
Having a bad day, Jeff Who?

>>12088930
Yet SpaceX outpaced NASA, Boeing, Lockheed, and every other oldspace agency and company. Says alot about how capable oldpsace is.

>>12088930
>what a complete fucking joke jesus christ. Imagine thinking THIS piece of shit is going to get to mars. Looks like a fucking scrapyard, fuck spacex, just look at any NASA, Boeing, Lockheed etc facility. Clean, organized, and scientific. Fuck this shit and fuck SpaceX shit.

>>12088930
Yep and last year it was an empty patch of dirt. By this time next year it will probably be one of the largest and busiest rocket construction and launch centers on Earth.

>>12088957
And what? ULA rockets can do short test fires too.
It takes more than 30 seconds to go to the moon.

>>12088974
>ULA rockets can do short test fires too.
Then why don't they?

>>12088974
>ULA rockets can do short test fires too
SLS sure can't. You definitely have to do better than 0 to go to the moon.

>>12088974
>And what? ULA rockets can do short test fires too
https://youtu.be/Fx5GjjCtcgo?t=6282

>>12088930
It's not just a scrapyard,
It's Elon's scapyard!

>>12088930
>in a TENT withe box of SCRAPS

>>12088977
They did on the most recent Delta IV Heavy launch attempt.

>>12088884
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/M-20-34.pdf

Were SLS wagies forced to submit to this crap? Any reports on forced diversity training in NASA?

>>12089042
And what? SpaceX rockets can do short test fires too.
It takes more than 1 second to go 150 meters.

>>12088928
Get in line.

>>12088983
RESULTS
OVER
RHETORIC

>>12089053
Fuck this show.

>>12089053

>>12088990
We need more ksp /sfg/ memes.

>>12089053
God I hate both of those fucking shows. Can someone tell me what the appeal is?

>>12089120
It turns smart nerdy people into quirky caricatures to gawk at for non-nerds like weird animals in a zoo.

>>12089117
I'm with you, they are easy to make and wholesome. Wish we had more /SFG/ parts. You know, with the descriptions...

>>12089117

>>12088983
the absolute state

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>>12089184

>>12089053
>Get in line.

you too, huh?

>>12089184
HHHNHNHNHHGGGGHHHGH

>>12089193

>>12089053

>>12089205
>not Falcon THICC

>>12089120
Big Bang Theory was kinda good/funny at first. It then went to shit and was cancelled after like 6 seasons trying to revive it.
The child sheldon one is just another attempt at milking the same dead horse.
At least big bang theory probably got some kids/normies interested in science.

Also Penny is hot af.

>Braun served as chief technologist in 2010, back when the Obama administration created NASA's Space Technology program to foster just this kind of innovation in America's private space industry. It was a contentious time in space policy, as the White House was pushing for more funding for new space companies—and new space ideas such as fuel-storage depots—while Congress wanted to keep NASA in the rocket-building business.

>Eventually, Congress got the upper hand, putting NASA on track to build the large SLS rocket at a development cost of more than $2 billion a year. The rocket program mostly benefited the Alabama space center and was championed by Alabama State Senator Richard Shelby. The potential of in-space fuel storage and transfer threatened the SLS rocket because it would allow NASA to do some exploration missions with smaller and cheaper rockets. As one source explained at the time, "Senator Shelby called NASA and said if he hears one more word about propellant depots he’s going to cancel the Space Technology program."

>The line from other NASA officials was that as a technology, propellant depots were not ready for prime time. In 2011, former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and current Executive Secretary of the National Space Council Scott Pace—both SLS advocates—wrote a withering criticism of the technology for Space News.

>"Fuel depots as an element of a near-term space architecture are an example of magical thinking at its best, a wasteful distraction supported by the kinds of poorly vetted assumptions that can cause a concept to appear deceptively attractive," Griffin and Pace wrote. Ironically, their chosen heavy-lift rocket for use in NASA's "near-term" architecture, the SLS rocket, remains badly behind schedule and over budget. It is unlikely to fly meaningful exploration missions for at least three or four more years and is holding up the Trump administration's Artemis plan.

1/2

>Some engineers at NASA still wanted to solve the fuel storage and transfer issue in 2011 and put together a $400 million depot development plan. This would have included an in-space demonstration of the technology. They argued that both orbital refueling and large rockets were vital for a sustainable exploration plan. However, Congress never adequately funded the effort, and it fizzled into a series of lesser ground tests.

>A consultant to NASA at the time, Charles Miller, was among those performing studies to show that the use of propellant depots could significantly lower exploration costs for NASA. On Tuesday, he praised the Trump administration and NASA chief Jim Bridenstine for putting the Space Technology program to good use.

>"Administrator Bridenstine is clearly executing on President’s Trump’s guidance to increase commercial public-private-partnerships at NASA," Miller, now chief executive of UbiquitiLink, told Ars. "The game-changing technology that NASA has discovered is capitalism. This program proves NASA leadership has figured out the future is reusability mixed with commercial public-private-partnerships."

2/2

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/07/nasa-agrees-to-work-with-spacex-on-orbital-refueling-technology/

>>12089117
Anyone have that list of all the memes that have accumulated? Piss air locks, depots, all the likes?

Uhm can we talk about aerospikes again? I really like them, because they are pointy and pointy screams DANGER and all (Like liberty spikes), also the name is pretty rad and I dig the implied characteristics as an allrounder. If we dumped a few billion and a decade of (actual, not Boing) development on them, where could we end up? From what I understand the main problem is the nozzle structure and heat management. My first idea was an adaptive shape (as pictured) to cope with varying environments, but it was pointed out to me, that this would just multiply an already persistent... "Bottleneck". (See what I did there)

I'm absolutely curious how features on it, specially movable ones would affect it's performance, like fins, vortex generators, spoilers, cladding and so on. It sounds counter intuitive even to myself, but I'd like to know what happens, after all the fastest planes often aren't teardrop shaped.

Also when the mods check by and they see these super technically looking schematics on millimetre-paper, they'll be hopefully super impressed and leave us alone.

>>12089228
>"Fuel depots as an element of a near-term space architecture are an example of magical thinking at its best, a wasteful distraction supported by the kinds of poorly vetted assumptions that can cause a concept to appear deceptively attractive," Griffin and Pace wrote.
How the hell are fuel depots "magical thinking"? What kind of "poorly vetted assumptions"? Spacecraft are mostly propellant by mass, so removing the need to carry their propellant when launching them into space can only be a good thing.

>>12089267
The adaptive shape would probably be too much work for a few seconds of specific impulse. Really, the best use for an aerospace is to have it double as an actively cooled heat shield for reentering upper stages.

>>12089266
Need to mone the moon to make hydrogen, water, oxygen, and methane. Then you refill the depot from the moon.

>>12089266
Two fucking words, Jobs Programs.

>As one source explained at the time, "Senator Shelby called NASA and said if he hears one more word about propellant depots he’s going to cancel the Space Technology program."

>>12089266
see >>12089299

>>12089228
Don't make me do it, i'll say the C-word

>>12089276
The idea wasn't necessarily to run super efficient in a dynamic atmosphere enviorment, but rather to be just good enough down there to get up and then to hammer out efficiency in space where theoretically an endless spike would be optimal. Another approach wound be, considering how long it would take to develop, at this point we'd have a lot of traffic by then, where need for efficiency and critical failure rates would scale up over a lot more flight hours. Aerospikes wouldn't be very failure prone and my moving parts wouldn't be essential to it's function. I'm not even married to the idea, Like I said, what if we used shrouds, vortex generators, spoilers and so on?

>>12089304
It's quite simple really and it's all there in the article. Shelby can just call them and say he'll just fucking cancel the whole shitshow, he's a senator in a position where he might actually hold the power to do that.

Then you this telling bit.
>The line from other NASA officials was that as a technology, propellant depots were not ready for prime time. In 2011, former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and current Executive Secretary of the National Space Council Scott Pace—both SLS advocates—wrote a withering criticism of the technology for Space News.
They're both SLS advocates, but they don't have the power Shelby holds, and they also have to justify it to the people at NASA, so they come up with the bullshit excuse that "it's not ready for primetime, the technology is just not mature enough".

And so politics hampers another fucking decade or two and we're back to hydromeme and the golden boys continuing their jobs programs.

>>12088930
What do you think goes on in normal rocket factories lmao

>>12089267
>I really like them
We all do.

>If we dumped a few billion and a decade of (actual, not Boing) development on them, where could we end up?
Maybe we could get them to work but we could get very far with reusability on the same budget.

Have you watched the Everyday Basedboy video on them? It is pretty cool. I think Scott Manley has one too.
A lot of thought has gone into aero spikes already, I think your best chance would be to bring a new technology to the table. Maybe 3d print a structure that is both physically resistant and very porous, so we can pump cold fuel through it. Rocket labs is having success with 3d printing, aren't they?

Maybe you could be the next elon-chan, anon.

>>12089324
anime orgies

>>12089233
>This would have included an in-space demonstration of the technology
Hasn't there already been a demonstration? The ISS gets refueled by the Russians, and soon SpaceX and Boeing will too.

>>12089267
>>12089326
>after all the fastest planes often aren't teardrop shaped.
Oh and on that, that is the natural shape for something moving in a fluid, it is the shape that puts the least structural stress on the object. Not the shape that uses less fuel to move at a certain speed.

>>12089276
>>12089311
What’s the tradeoff of aerospikes? Besides the fact that there is limited R&D. Are they massive engines? Could we theoretically build one with >400 sec isp? Also what is this talk about using it for reentry... could an aerospike really double as thermal protection or is that just pure speculation on your part

>>12089317
>Shelby can just call them and say he'll just fucking cancel the whole shitshow
It is incredibly sad that a whole line of advanced technologies that could revolutionize the industry can be held back just because someone didn't like it. Perfectly explains why we haven't been back to the moon in over fifty years.

>>12089346
>didn't like it
No, it's not that he didn't like. It's that it was a challenge to his home state and his re-election chances. Also to kick backs from interest groups from corporations in his home state. That's what drives this shitshow. Personal interest.

>>12089334
Sometimes scale matters. It probably would be different design. Tests = American Jobs™.

>>12089343
Other anon here.

>What’s the tradeoff of aerospikes?
Very hard to make vs Efficiency.

>Are they massive engines?
Can be of any size.

>Also what is this talk about using it for reentry...
Aerospikes are optimized for every altitude. If you have one, it is only natural to make a SSTO. Therefore it would probably land like a space plane.

>Could we theoretically build one with >400 sec isp?
Hard to answer that.

Will spacex buy out bigelow?

>>12088922
how come the cesna fags post their pictures of McGregor behind a paywall when the Cesna guys in Texas are posting it (delayed, with an instant paywall) for free?

>>12089326
>Have you watched the Everyday Basedboy video on them? It is pretty cool. I think Scott Manley has one too.
I in fact haven't but I did this one really crusty one from the cold war and there are Italians posting about their linear aerospike

> 3d print a structure that is both physically resistant and very porous, so we can pump cold fuel through it.
I'm pretty sure that 3d milling and forging would be more suited to that.

>>12089340
I really never thought about that. Thank you!

>>12089343
I really want to get to know that as well, on paper they are really simple and very reliable from a mechanical standpoint. Just by the lack of complexity and fragile pressure vessels

>>12089343
>Tradeoffs
So far it seems like they have lower overall TWR, but almost all of the notable aerospikes used turbomachinery from other already existing rockets. I'm not sure it's fair to say an aerospike must by necessity have worse TWR because none have been built to purpose with their own specialized turbomachinery and plumbing.
In return, you can create a virtual gimbal without needing to move the whole engine by simply increasing or decreasing propellant flow to the individual combustion chambers surrounding the spike, creating differential thrust. They also adapt better to the pressure of the environment, meaning you could make one single aerospike instead of having to create two variants one for SL and one for VAC. Each individual small combustion chamber doesn't have to be pushed to the same extremes as the single large combustion chamber of a conventional rocket.
>Are they massive?
Due to the spike technically being a de-laval bell turned inside out they do tend to be slightly wider compared to an equivalent converging/diverging bell rocket, but not by an enormous amount.
>Could we build one with 400+ISP
Sure, use LOX/LH2. They don't have inherently superior ISP to conventional rocket engines, they just don't lose as much of it to over/under-expansion.
>Reentry shield.
Yes, if it sufficiently covers the ass of the rocket then it can be used for reentry, even extremely steep reentry, assuming the rest of the ship is shaped so it doesn't get melted by IR reflection from the plasma wake. If it can survive the heat of it's own firing, it can survive reentry, at least for any safe angle on Earth. If it's actively cooled it can also easily survive a Jupiter or Saturn aerosbrake as well.

>>12089397
Cool, but unnecessary.

>>12089387
>I really want to get to know that as well, on paper they are really simple and very reliable from a mechanical standpoint. Just by the lack of complexity and fragile pressure vessels
Sorry my mind wandered off, that's on the Acra prototype, not general.

>>12089387
>I'm pretty sure that 3d milling and forging would be more suited to that.
Sure, it is just that not all shapes can be milled or milled effectively, maybe you would need to put several pieces together.

>I really want to get to know that as well, on paper they are really simple and very reliable from a mechanical standpoint. Just by the lack of complexity and fragile pressure vessels
I think the basedboy goes into that too.

>>12089401
Basically, if I had a rocket company though I'd still want to divert at least a bit of funding to pushing the technology forward. It's exotic with some marginal benefits and advancing the study of it might yield some universally useful insights even if it turns out to not be worth it as it's own engine.

>>12089153
I hope someone saved or capped the ones that some anon made many many threads ago.

wasn't there supposed to be a hop / launch today?

>>12089490
It was yesterday :0
But it worked!

reminder

>>12089514
based Trump is the most space flight friendly president we had in a long time

>>12089514
[muffled seething in the distance]

>>12089514
best timeline
Trump shit is going to be rememberd the same way Regan/Bush shit is still used

>>12089514
the amount of seething from all the space soys was remarkable. the libs were sufficiently owned that day

>>12089511
what was yesterday? I now hop and starlink were thurs

>>12089514
The scott manley bitch tears must have been amazing.

>>12089514
*star spangled banner plays at 250 dB*

>>12089537
Hop at the beginning o the week got scrubbed because of wind. It was yesterday instead.
I think today they pressure tested SN7.1 with 304L steel but not sure.

i like space
space is cool

>>12089563
it really is

>>12089514
I was watching live and the second I saw that flag I knew the amount of seething and screeching was going to be bigly. Yuge, in fact. I swear to God, he could personally cure cancer, delete climate change from existence, invent a Q>1 fusion powerplant, send humans to Mars and Jupiter, and fucking leftoids would just say "Well, how dare he take the decision to have cancer away from the differently abled cancer patients, and how dare he interfere with the natural processes of the environment! Nobody needs fusion power for electricity we should just live agrarian lives! Mars and Jupiter, but what about all the couple of thousand poor people left after he invented fusion reactors?"

These brainlets have really given me a powerful insight into Schadenfreude, they're so dumb, so deranged, so unapproachable and unreasonable that I feel zero guilt in enjoying it whenever they suffer.

>>12089563
based and spacepilled

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>>12089397
Just watched the everyday astronaut video on it!

>>12089340
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>>12089397
I have now obtained sadness.

>>12088957
Can someone tell me why are those test rockets behaving so strangely?
Wtf is SpaceX doing?
This doesn't look like it can fly far.

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>>12089490
>>12089511
>>12089537
>>12089547
Dont confuse yourself. Go with US/CST. Hop happened on Thursday/Sept 3rd. Today's the 5th, so hop happened 2 days ago. TFR and Road closures were 3-4-5 of Sept for SN6 Hop. And SN7.1 will be tested tomorrow on 6th (7th-8th are backup dates) of Sept.

>>12089597
>Can someone tell me why are those test rockets behaving so strangely?
Behaving strangely how?

>>12089597
Why is it tilted? Because it is designed for 6 engines but atm it has only one and it is off center.

>>12089266
Are you suggesting jeopardizing AMERICAN jobs in Alabama?
One more words about depots and the Space technology program is canceled

>>12089603
>Turns out you can make anything fly haha
Does that apply to SLS too? Assuming that it's real.

>>12089266
>Spacecraft are mostly propellant by mass, so removing the need to carry their propellant when launching them into space can only be a good thing.
You have some poorly vetted assumptions in there son.

>>12089607
>Behaving strangely how?
Like it was drunk - normal rockets start gently, this one looks like it was going to crash.

>>12089613
>Because it is designed for 6 engines but atm it has only one and it is off center.
I see. I wonder if the engineers will make it. Any timeline for the rocket?

>>12089224
FUCK popsci

>>12089516
Lmao no. It's been the same bullshit since the 80s in NASA. Space X and BO all the way.

On the plus side,
the cripplingly cold, hard facts of reality can never catch up to me on Mars!

>>12089624
He didn't gut NASA's space programs that were started by his predecessors. Instead he continued to support them and saw them through to completion. That's better than the bullshit since the 80s.

>>12089620
>I wonder if the engineers will make it.
What do you mean? They have over 30 engines ready, they just don't want to explode them for nothing.

>Any timeline for the rocket?
Yes but I don't remember it. Three engines are sea level optimized, three are vacuum optimized.
I think SN8 should do a 20km hop so it might have the three sea level raptors on it. Idk if it will go straight to 20km or if it will do a 150m first.

>>12089633
>What do you mean? They have over 30 engines ready, they just don't want to explode them for nothing.
Engineers, not engines. It's not like the Musk makes the rockets himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer
>Three engines are sea level optimized, three are vacuum optimized.
Sounds nice.

I ask, because I'm mostly a biofag and look from time to time at the websites of space agencies (ESA, NASA).

Opinions on Blue Origin /sfg/?

>>12089659
They seem to have alot of potential. Looking forward to their New Glenn next year, but if they can't get it flying by the end of next year then I'll start having serious doubts about them.

>>12089621
this desu

>>12089659
Disappointing

>>12089659
20 years of no show. Too cozy with old space. Lot of politicking instead of actual results.

>>12089717
perhaps bezos is positioning himself to eat lockheed and boeing space capacity alive by absorbing them. or create some weird symbios where he has all the leverage.

>>12089326
>we all do
no we don't fuck aeromemes

>>12088326
No, Long March 9 is not bigger than Saturn V.

>>12089725
What good will absorbing more companies do if you don't have the ambition and will to use them for something?

Helicopter recovery solid boosters when?

They can't retropropulsively land like a falcon so you gotta have stowable rotors in the nose that unfold on decent.

>>12089802
That's retarded.

>>12089802
Ariane looked into something sort of like that. No idea why they didn't pursue it further.

thanks for the superchats and channel membership guys wow we're so thankful for all your support

>>12089228
Will there ever be a rocket as beautiful as the Saturn V?
>"Senator Shelby called NASA and said if he hears one more word about propellant depots he’s going to cancel the Space Technology program."
Also that shit gives me a fucking aneurysm.

Can someone redpill me on the 30+ smallsat launch startups?

>>12089397
>Yes, if it sufficiently covers the ass of the rocket then it can be used for reentry
Thank you. Imagine a starship with one giant aerospike that covers the entire diameter of the ass. Aeroass deorbits could probably be done so quickly

>>12089871
Most of them will close doors before they even finish their rockets.

>>12088983
>Literally cricket noises
I fucking spilled my tea.

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>>12089873
Aeroass -> Auroras. Musk should call it project aurora

can we get some more of these SHORT BUT ELABORATE DETAILED INFORMATIVE POSTS please?

>>12089873
The issue would be those fins, anything that sticks out from behind that engine would be blowtorched. Aside from aerodynamic performance the shape of a capsule also helps to shield it from infrared radiation (raw heat) which is emitted from the plasma wake that forms ahead of the ship, if the descender is too long and doesn't taper much at all, it would start to heat up as if you'd placed it inside a microwave. It might not get as hot as the engine itself, but it would probably get too hot to manage safely without the entire surface being actively cooled.

I would think a likely design would appear more like mspaint related.

>>12089871
a great way to get a job at a real aerospace corp.

>>12088983
I just noticed but those engines made a very unhealthy "horn" noise as they cut off, if I'm not mistaken it's generally a sign of some pretty significant combustion instability.
Anyone want to place bets that they were terminally fucked on the inside after that abort?

>>12089802
Rotary Rocket had the idea to do something similar with a liquid booster back in the 90s.

>>12089906
no

>>12089653
>Engineers
Are they going to make what? I didn't understand the question.

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>>12089909
Does that really work?

Soft landing on an aircraft carrier from orbit when?

>>12089939
i'm doing it rn

>>12089939
Generally speaking, even when gliding spaceplanes come in way faster than normal planes. Even for a normal jet aircraft to make a carrier landing you have to be hovering pretty close to your aircraft's stall speed just to be able to react and correct course fast enough to make a landing at all without either slamming into your carrier bellow the flight deck or overshooting it and having to turn around for a second go (which you can't do while gliding because you'll lose your lift if you have to turn around). Either you'd have to build a specialized boat which is essentially nothing but a super long runway and support facilities so the spaceplane could slow down sufficiently after touching the deck, or you'd need to build a spaceplane which is either powered so it can spend more time flying and slowing down, or do something like dreamchaser and land on a skid which will destroy itself during landing and probably punish the fuck out of a landing strip too.

>>12089923
if HR is hiring you, having actual space shit experience will look close enough to their 5 year minimum for an entry level
if its an actual engineer hiring you, being able to show how you've done this shit before will please them beyond measure

>>12089950
You've also left out that the landing gears on carrier capable aircraft are tougher than other aircraft. It adds so much extra weight.
Probably just a better idea to use the flying boat concept if you want to land at sea.

>>12089956
>That little bounce.
F-35 is cute! CUTE!
Besides, it's already been aptly demonstrated that propulsive landing on a boat is 100% doable and can in fact be made safe and reliable too for rockets. The only difference that will be necessary going forward would be to enlarge the boat and thicken the landing pad to hold extra weight and put up with more heat. Perhaps a more robust rocket catcher too since some of the problems Falcon has had are due to the rocket catcher not quite engaging correctly and thus allowing it to tip and slide around the deck.
An aerospike cone shaped rocket would have advantage there too, being more bottom heavy with wider spaced landing legs would let it sit more stably.

>>12089956
filename, also dab on the flight deck that almost got fried beyond melting point.

Speaking of landing speed, the F-104 had takeoff speed of like 400kph and then a 20kph window before the air resistance would jam the gear in the dounward position, which is pretty metal and hadrcore and in my weird, twisted mind somehow a perk and not a glaring disadvantage. I mean just imagine taking off and landing at 400, visualize the fast in that moment. That's just awesome.

Also grounding thread for extra safety!

>>12089956
>hands
Oy

>>12089988
Based post. Feels like I'm reading someone's thoughts.

>>12089982
stfu shill, Harriers did that for decades, every jumpjet ever did that and nobody found it "cute". Oh yeah and design the fucking LHD around the plane, great take on it. Let's make the very top of the thing unnecessarily thicker to cope with a garbage plane. Not like F/A18's are already heavier than WWII heavy bombers, but ok Fat35's need an even bigger boat. There just wasn't enought time and R&D money to design a capable carrier based fighter into existing infrastructure, like requested. But ok.

>>12089982
>An aerospike cone shaped
Redpill me on aerospikes.
>>12089988
Kelly Johnson went to fighter pilots in Korea and asked them what they wanted. They said they wanted to go faster and higher.
So he made it happen.
>kph
Use knots. Failing that, use mph. No one uses kph for aircraft.
Aviation is still comfortably controlled by customary units. Thrust is given in lbf, flight levels in feet, etc.

>>12090000
>Redpill me on Aerospikes.
Check
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>>12090000
Also check out this dude, we give him some shit here on /sfg/ but he made a pretty good video breaking down Aerospikes and comparing the ones that have been built to conventional rockets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4SaofKCYwo

>>12089956
pure sex

>>12090000
>They said they wanted to go faster and higher.
>So he made it happen.
This very quote is what made me come to love these things so irrationally much.
And the scene in The Right stuff.
sry, but kph is metric and once you grow up with a system it's hard to get rid of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhBseYCGH0k&ab_channel=echolima
Reminder to work out your glutes so you can become part of the thicc space program.

>>12090000
>>12090012
Don't stop believing in Aerospikes, even if it means retreating into self exile to mars where the bitter taste of hard facts can't reach out to you!

>>12090007
That rocket isn't THICC enough.

https://www.space.com/nasa-sls-megarocket-cost-rise-congress-alert.html
>NASA's new Space Launch System (SLS) megarocket and associated ground infrastructure have soared past original cost estimates to a degree that requires the agency to notify Congress about the ballooning budget.
>The recently appointed leader of NASA's human spaceflight efforts, Kathy Lueders, announced the new cost estimates in a blog post published on Aug. 27.
>"The new development baseline cost for SLS is $9.1 billion, and the commitment for the initial ground-systems capability to support the [rocket's first] mission is now $2.4 billion," Lueders wrote, without elaborating on what the previous baseline costs were. Congress had previously approved a $7 billion commitment for the SLS' development, according to 2019 fiscal numbers.
Jesus fucking christ no wonder they pushed that SLS booster publicity stunt..

>>12089907
That would be cool. You could probably get away with a tapered design like that, with those strange aerodynamic/landing leg things that were on the original ITS design. They could have heat shields bolted on the bottom so they could handle the heat

>>12090062
Oh like basically a DC-X with an aerospike? Yes make it TSTO and it would make me coom. Would probably be the most effective / efficient rocket ever made. Would have to be around 18m though because the tapering would mean less room for living space if it were just 9m

>>12090059
NASA, what are you doing? Please stop.

>>12090059
OH NO NO NO NO SLSBROS.
Literally all Elon would have to say in reply to this is "Hey, my rocket has already flown, where's SLS?"

>>12090059
>"The Falcon Heavy isn't equipped for deep space missions!"
>doesn't give the rocket deep space payloads to launch
What did oldspace mean by this?

>>12090082
The amount of asses getting blasted from that would be legendary. I would pay to see that.

Something is happening.

>>12090059
>Oh you actually want SLS to fly?
>That'll cost you another 2 billion

>>12090100
Somebody needs to tell Elon right now that Boing! is talking shit like he wouldn't find out.
>>12090106
>Door stuck!
>DOOR STUCK!
>P L E A S E

>>12090113
>Somebody needs to tell Elon right now that Boing! is talking shit like he wouldn't find out.
He won't do it because that would cause SpaceX to lose contracts. Even a casual positive comment about China got some within Washington stirred up.

>>12090106
kek that bug is a classic

>>12090153
It's too late for peace, Boing!

>>12090149
Mommy

SN6

>>12090264

>>12090267

>>12090268
my-leg.wav

>>12090149
>be only woman captain to get their own show
>defining feature of the series is the fact that they are lost in space, implying women are bad at navigation
Why is Star Trek so sexist?

>>12090272
To be fair, the show lost most of it's "lost in deep space" gimmick after the first season.

>>12090268
Ouch, two legs 100% cronched, one partially cronched, one completely off the ground.

>>12090268
>>12090271
Tbh the fins with legs were way better, but I'm sure Elon ran the numbers and figured this would work. It just looks so unstable. But this is only a test article I guess

>>12090275
>>12090277
They're probably designed to be crushed to absorb impact for these test legs. Don't want them to be too strong or else the structure of the vehicle might get damaged instead due to uneven force applied to the whole vehicle as it lands.

It's amazing how well they calculated all of the forces, it's a dynamic system with a new motor doing new things, and they precisely crunched the crumple zone of one foot and just partially the others.
And 2/2 on the landings so far.
Nuts.

>>12090277
They probably want to avoid having the legs on the outside and creating tight curves as a result.

>>12090277
These legs are 100% not going to be on the final ship, they're expendable test legs which were thrown on for hop tests because they'd already been built ahead of time. It doesn't matter if they get ruined as long as they collapse in such a way that the vehicle doesn't tip over complete and strike the ground. As >>12090281 points out, they're practically designed to crumple.

>>12090274
I haven’t watched beyond the first couple seasons, but it feels like every other episode is them discovering a new way to get home that’ll inevitably be proven to be unfeasible by the end of the episode. Maybe it was enthralling when it was being broadcast in its initial run, and no one knew where the show might end up, but it gets boring when you know they’re gonna be stuck in the Delta Quadrant for at least 5 more seasons. Plus, Neelix is annoying as fuck.

>>12090295
Neelix is the Jar Jar Binks. But he shamed that kes pussy

>>12090303
>kes
Don't google, don't. Just don't.

>>12090303
>he shamed that kes pussy
Not only is Neelix annoying, he’s also a pedo.

The Chinese spaceplane has already landed. No pictures or further information was given though. https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1302456362446839810

>>12090319
>The Chinese spaceplane has already landed
Sounds like an abort of some sort. I can’t imagine they’d waste a launch just to send a spaceplane up for less than 2 days on purpose.

>>12090321
first orbital flight of the X-37 lasted ~8 months. rip chinky

>>12090321
They probably grabbed a US military intelligence sat and brought it home

I'm launching something good...

>>12090363
*kablooey*

>>12090364
now it's time to meet with the mothership at Laythe orbit and deliver the kussy to the kraken because both of the ships have epstein drives

>>12090303
>>12090306
>kes pussy
fuck me I just googled it
when's the FBI going to show up?

>>12090275
None of this matters. The current prototypes land unevenly because the engine is off center and this puts more force on some of the legs. The three engine prototype won't have this problem and this isn't close to being the final leg design. It's a nonissue.

>>12088898

>that sunrise interlude

FUCKING KINO.

https://youtu.be/a0HwmLysNmE?t=574

>F150s and Semis everywhere
>mfw in 2-3 years, all those will be replaced by cybertrucks and Tesla Semis.

>>12090037
lol mars is a terrible place for aerospikes,the atmosphere is negligible

>>12090272

>proceeded to over the course of 9 seasons
>show that Janeway is god damn domineering in most aspects
>and hot

Warp drives when? I want to see trappist system

>>12090455

Need AGIs first that can be directed at simulating physics, material science, energy and thrust, and other factors.

So... me thinks... 50-100 years from today.

>>12090149
I want mommy to do a press conference bros

Artificial reef on Mars when?

>BE4 turbopump machine brok
>New Glenn is a mess
>gonna take engine from lil peen and make lunar lander
>can't make the whole lander in-house, focus on descent stage
>launching on a Vulcan because New Glenn neverever
The absolute state

>>12090513
>>BE4 turbopump machine brok
source?

>>12088922
How do those fences not get melted?

>>12090525
Take it with a grain of salt, but I remember reading it in L2 a couple months ago. Early BE4s on New Glenn may not be reused. Won't be reused on Vulcan anyway, unless Tory gets SMART

Is BO copying NASA/Pence messaging on going to the moon "to stay"? or did Bezos force the politicians to parrot it with his magnum moneybags. Then he swooces right in with the "National Team" (gag) to save the day

>>12090513
they recently shrank the lander to fit on Vulcan, per the cgi vids

>>12088983
>>12089883
>CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP

>>12089792
>SLS Block 2 still doesn't match the payload capacity of a Saturn V from 1968
I hate government graft so much, guys. We need Starship to make chemical TSTO a solved problem so the "muh jerbs" argument gets pivoted to actually DOING things in orbit.

>>12088983
RESULTS

OVER

RHETORIC

Uh oh bros, the astronomers are gonna be pissed
https://twitter.com/AstronomyCenter/status/1302334924368814081

>>12090595
better angle
https://twitter.com/Arabic_Nasa/status/1302331877878099970

>>12090595
>>12090598
whats that? Sorry I don't speak terrorism.

>>12090587
SLS Block 2 is more optimized for TLI mass anyway
still doesn't beat the Saturn V there
also, it's fake and there is no credible plan to bring Block 1B up to Block 2 throw capacity as dictated by Congress

>>12090603
Starlink 40 reentry

>it's another episode of troubleshooting why the fuck RCS thrusters are refusing to work
bros...

>>12090613
What are you talking about?

>>12090679
What are YOU talking about?

>>12090692
You made a bullshit post based on a niche Arabic twitter video which you didn't even translate and claimed that astronomers would be pissed about it. You don't even know if it was Starlink-40 or another satellite reentering. Have the decency make a coherent point or fuck off.

>>12090708
you ok buddy?

>>12090710
nigger

>>12090710
If you're going to troll, at least be funny, retard.

>>12090106
Did you turn off the parking brake?

OH NO NO NO NO
>f-fully reusable
>n-not like the space shuttle i swear
OHGHH AHHAHAHAHA

>>12090679
Some old Soviet junk re-entering? So what else is new?

>>12090752
what is a prototype?

>>12090752
LOL SPACEX? MORE LIKE EPIC FAIL

Bezos could,if he wants to, start launching stuff....for free. It would be genius-literally launching for exposure. Undercut every other launcher by an impossible margin.

At the same time,go to your competitors with a warm smile and a fat check. Offer assimilation. Offer jobs and sick days and stock options. Spread rumors about a Blacklist that those who say no are added to-these accursed will rise above the level of wageslaves ever again. Drip poison in the ear of every politician. Befriend every corrupt senator. They'll welcome your monopoly with delight. You'll partner upwith Boeing and LM and everything in aerospace will go back to a calm normal, albeit with better technology and energy. No more crazy mars man or funny kiwi fellow, only JEFF.

In my bones I think this could happen because it's what I would do. Bezos is a terrifying being and should be regarded with horror and disgust by all. He is Mammon.

>>12090752
What happened there?

>>12090761
one tile fell off after SN6's static fire
all remaining tiles fell off after the hop

>>12090761
I dunno, someone put on bathroom tiles as a joke? Who the fuck knows what they're doing.

>>12090759
Definitely worded it better than I did. He could probably operate BO at a loss indefinitely

>>12090752
Isn't this the 5th or 6th adhesive method yet? Definitely the least successful of all

>>12089792
It's hardly fair if you count the launch escape rocket.

>>12090604
some inside info for you (probably public anyway)
Block 2 was dropped

>>12090812
impossible, Congress has mandated Block 2

Some people think the spaceplane is a re-usable second stage https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1302491299573043200
The Chinese already have their own version of Super Heavy + Starship in the works?

>>12090758
You're too stupid to understand what "prototype" means?

>>12089939
Just land it in the water.

why do people bpother with heatshields when u can just land in the water and cool it down?

>>12090106
>The Chinese Space Agency, having run out of villages to drop boosters on, decided to finally turn their rockets on themselves.

>>12090826
the hard part is getting to the water

>>12090837
just bring some water with you

>>12090839
That is retarded. Just make a space corridor that goes to ground level so there is no atmospheric reentry heat.

Just blow on the outside of the rentry vehicle with a straw

You guys are real jokers, huh

>>12090849
why dont we just build a road in it?

Did Europa Lander ever get funded? Will SLS launch it?

AHEM
launch escape systems are for FAGGOTS

>>12090892
SLS will never launch anything.

>>12090904
It will, you'll see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUOxJ8JYLRA

New Boca Chica daily recap video

if they name the first manned orion endeavor i swear to god im gonna

>>12090966
It will be Columbia :^)

>>12090752
The most recent examples are chock full of pins as mounting points. All this picture shows is that there is no way they will ever actually do adhesives in production

>>12090962
High bay completion fuckin when

China will be first to demo NTP in space, change my mind

How is this shit called?
Second stage or first stage?
Why not recovering it?
Was there any thought about recovering it?

>>12089988
>awesome
yeah 300/900 of them were destroyed without ever getting into a fight in Germany alone

>>12090966
they will name it the 'Big Gay'

What's the point of cyclers anyway? Are they retarded?

>>12091073
Probably name it something even gayer like "unity 1" or something.

>>12090708
this
>>12090710
Get out, I recognize your pattern from the past, cease this shit or gtfo. Everybody hates it.

>>12091086
Patriot Ship
Freedomliner
SS Shelby

>>12090752
Dumb question, but why can't they just drill holes and screw them on?

>>12091097
Big Glue lobbyists.

>>12091067
>Ger can't operate planes
source, Ger lost 66% of their active EF2000s last year while none of the other operating nations had nearly as severe problems with them.
>Ger has 4 out of about 130 ready this year.
Ger sometimes can't into Jets, at all.

>>12091064
fucking bump

>>12091064
That's the dragon capsule on the 2nd stage.
The capsule itself is refurbishable.
The 2nd stage would be too hard to be made reuseable due to the much higher re-entry speed and would cut down payload too much to be worth it with F9.

With Starship they do attempt that though, here "capsule" and "2nd stage" are the same thing and it uses a very different overall design.

>>12091109
Fucking hell.

>>12091125
GENIUS

>>12091122
I mean falcon 9 is partly recoverable, so which part is not recovered and why?

>>12091125
o holy fuck is it legal

>>12091125
>SpaceX employs cabinet makers

you guys watching the falcon booster's return?

>>12091109
Hot glue lobbyist.

>>12091115
The solution to that isn't
>buy more planes of a different type
as some proposed.
The solution is
>buy spare parts and have them in storage

>>12091097
they do, this was just one method they tried that involved glue

>>12091109
I swear this place has gotten dumber

>>12091097
The tiles heat up and cool down much more than the stainless steel, causing them to expand and contract more.
That higher expansion/contraction would cause them to crack if they where bolted on.
That's why they use some elastic adhesive, think of it like silicone.

>>12090902
That pod looks like it has rockets of its own

>>12091125
Better idea==Magnets!

>>12091157
they literally do idiot, they were just trying a new method to see the results
>>12091154

>>12091154
Screencap this, they're bolting them on.

>>12091154
Do you not understand what a joke is?

>>12091154
>>12090752
why holes seem to be distributed differently

>>12091180
Whether ironic or unironic the mongs are scrambling over themselves to explain why they're using adhesives when it's just a failed one-off. Mechanically attached tiles are nothing new for SpaceX or even oldspace at this point.

Redpill me on spaceplanes. Why are they the best way to get to orbit?

>>12091171
We'll see how that turns out eventualy.

>>12091154
Or these are just a bunch of outlets because the rocket is producing so much power...

What would you plug into starship?

>>12091215
First being that you could take off and land on normal runways. And second being that you use mechanical lift to save energy and fuel. But the reality is that once you're past the part of the atmosphere in which lift can help you you now have to drag this useless airframe around with you which just makes it harder to maneuver in orbit.

>>12091227
a fork because i wanna die

>>12090268
aren't they moving on from this leg design to flip out legs again?
or is this really it

>>12091145
They could also not have crashed them with inexperienced pilots in weather they didn't train in, in tiny airspaces to not be the worst operator of this airframe by a longshot, right?

>>12090534
I figure they either flip down or they're on some sort of track that moves them down and up.

>>12091235
Yeah Elon has talked about it. This is just the mexican welder-friendly temporary solution.

>>12091228
So it's good for shuttling things to LEO, but it's slower. Are they mass constrained? I can't imagine using them to haul up 150 tons to LEO

>>12091157
>use only one screw per tile
>use only one fixed screw per tile and have the other one slide in a groove
>have a large thread, that the tile doesn't over expand out of while the bolt is prevented from rotating
>have any other sort of mechanical fit
Btw did the shuttleprogram ever find a solution that is now patented or what?

LAYERED
ABLATIVE
DUCT-TAPE
SHIELDING

>>12091250
LADS

>>12091250
3M heat sheeld

>>12090813
Maybe, but Block 2 relies on the existence of the Exploration Upper Stage, which to my knowledge hasn't even been started yet. Imagine another Orion/ICPS length dev cycle but even slower now because of the spooky .2% mortality rate commie coof.
As far as I can see, Artemis will have either been canceled or retired by the time the EUS is used.

>>12091115
1) German army in last 30 years got underfunded to a point they can't afford basic spare parts, that's why they are grounded
they can't even sell the old equipment to some 3rd world because they sold it all years ago already
they also keep purging anyone considered too far-right leaning (the demographic most likely to enlist to begin with), which can't help the things

2) Starfighter wasn't called widowmaker for nothing
Canadians lost like half of their 200 and so did Belgians
everyone else had about double the accident rate than it is typical
it even almost killed Chuck Yeager

>>12091245
Once you get up high enough you're still going to need rockets. So you don't get to escape the rocket equation entirely. And obviously you can generate more lift with more wing, but then you have to carry that bigger wing into space with your rocket.
Honestly space planes might be better for dropping space tourists off on a LEO space station if anything, I imagine they'd be more comfortable than a rocket.

>>12091227
>>12091232
Elon digs what you're doing, very inspiring!
Any more approaches?

>>12091264
Go away, you're just jelly that local fast plane is cooler than you!

>>12091250
>>12091251
What colour? The black, the silver, or the Green :S

>>12091232
>literally in the middle of the spaceage
>wants to die

>>12091268
More comfy, but when the poor people stuffed like sardines in a rocket can get up there in a few minutes you might feel left out

>>12090752
SN6 was still using the old attachments because it too so long for SN5 to hop.
>>12090759
>Bezos could,if he wants to, start launching stuff....
anything, please, just start launching stuff
>>12090904
It will launch SSMEs into the Atlantic Ocean.
>>12091060
>in space
But there are still plenty of villages left to destroy!

>>12091275
Green is the kerbal color

>>12091273
How bout Glade plugin scented oil

>>12091275
Different layers get different colors, letting you see how much of your shield you've lost in different places. Refurbishment is just peeling and re-wrapping fresh tape, turnaround time a day or two.
LADS is the future, tiles are fake and gay.

>>12091286
Rockets are probably always going to be more dangerous though. Does Starship even have an emergency escape system?

>>12091294
uh ok

Any cool shit happening today?

>>12091305
>implying there's going to be an emergency escape system on a hypersonic rocket/airliner
???

>>12091317
I'm goin food shopping

>>12091317
no, thread can be closed for a week or two

>>12091305
Starship IS the emergency escape system.

>>12091305
Nah, Elon said it's supposed to be reliable enough you don't need one (like planes). After watching Dragon 2 explode while static firing the superdracos, I don't see launch escape systems as any safer than the big boy rocket I'm sitting on

>>12091313
all hail chromium edge!

>>12091325
It literally exploded in a way that nobody knew could happen (NTO vs titanium) and may even have explained mystery losses of satellites in the past.

>>12091325
Imagine triggering the launch escape and you're engulfed in hypergolic fury! WEW

>>12091324

>>12091283
Our civilization is dying as we speak

>>12091318
Doesn't need one, it's a plane, it can power down and glide.

>>12091337
kek, that thing would glide like a lawndart

>>12091301
The rocket now smells like something grils would like and attracts penguins. It also smells like charred >>12091232 anon a bit.

>>12091326
I dunno, I just wanted to stop feeding Google my data and they are literary the same program, I don't even really care about the ram anymore. Or who else collects my data.

>>12091337
glide? there's no air in space

>>12091349
If you're on a sub orbital trajectory you'll get to the air eventually. I'm talking about issues during launch, not orbital maneuvers.
>>12091339
Any legit spaceplane would glide better than the shuttle.

>>12091321
Link to stream?
What time zone and when is final, how do the clouds look btw, any estimate on chances for abort? And do we get to see payload deployment in fridge?

>>12091335
Nah you fucking retarded doomer, our civilization is still in it's infancy and just struggling to take it's first breaths of free air. The challenge before us is to reject the death-impulse and spread into more difficult environments. Doomers like you though are obviously useless for this goal, so just shut the fuck up and stop infecting other people with your slow suicide mentality.

>>12091358
>I’ve never studied history lol

>>12091343
FUCK!

>>12091334

Remember, Elon said Starship is not for pussies. You're not a pussy are you, anon?

>>12091355
>Any legit spaceplane would glide better than the shuttle.
Designing something for lift in the hypersonic regime is radically different from doing the same for low speeds. A true spaceplane is actually worse in this aspect since a gliding rocket like the shuttle can put more focus on the latter and still, you know, go to space.

>>12091366
I heard, pussies are gay.

>>12091317
SN7.1 pressure test i think

>>12091362
Needs a power strip floating on a sandal at the bottom.

>>12091368
Would it need to be hypersonic in atmosphere? Surely it just needs to get high up and it can accelerate to hypersonic in thinner air?

>>12091357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTULtvs9Dw

>>12091373
Dunno how I should shop that lol

So is SN7 happening?

>>12091361
Just die doomer, that's what you all want in the end anyways, so fucking hurry up.

I don't get it, SN6 made its jump like two days ago while I've read that they are already assembling SN9?

What's the source on the SN6 tiles image posted above? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

>>12091376
Aww man so we missed it?

>>12091374
It's funny how you're slowly realizing why spaceplanes are fucking retarded. You're already dragging an absolutely unconscionable amount of dead weight for an SSTO and now you're suggesting making it even more dead by not even using the atmospheric engines to reach hypersonic.

>>12091376
THERE'S NO FUEL TANK ON THE SHUTTLE

>>12091381
Well you have the know how, you very talented. I believe you are capable of great things

>>12091386
There are parts for SN10 at Boca 8^)

>>12091381
Years of training with MSPaint have prepared me for this moment.

>>12091406
OO I got one-- a thermometer to check if barrel has a fever??

>>12091154
yeah should probably just start having /sfg/ on /pol/ instead

>>12091394
I already knew they were retarded. But if you were going to make one you may as well take advantage of the fact that it's a plane and make it so it can glide if it needs to ditch the launch.

>>12091415
Space Elevator threads were nice when they existed, but then they got purposefully flooded every time with flatearth/spaceisfake shitposting and eventually he just gave up.

>>12090282
And engine went cablamoo as expected.

>>12091386
Yes, multiple ships are in the process of being assembled, SN7 was the test article for new metallurgy and wasn't intended for flight so SN8 is next up if I'm not mistaken, and it's intended to have the basic aerodynamic shape with full wings, control surfaces and a nosecone. I assume with SN6 the plan is to hop it till they pops it so they can learn as much as possible about flight before SN8 which will represent a moderately greater investment of resources.
This also means that at least if Elon was somewhat accurate, we're now nearly halfway to a finalized Starship design. A while back he was saying he expected to burn through up to 20 iterations before reaching the first production version.

Who's the faggot nuclear thermal contractor who said they couldn't demo an engine in LEO by 2024?

>>12091433
I thought they were doing SN7 today?

>>12091441
Oh maybe I was thinking of "7.1" which is just the test tank.

>>12091416
Yeah, good luck with that. To get the glide ratio to the point that you could ditch at low speed you'd have to strip all the atmospheric performance. Considering that SSTO is already at the edge of possible and you're now forced to settle for even more mass fraction in fuel I doubt it would even be possible.

>>12091414
It should have a power-saver to reduce its electricity.

>>12091406
>how to tell when a poster is a bong

>>12091433
They had two years to figure out avionics, they should start suborbital tests this year.

>>12091449
wtf is that thing

>>12091454
It saves power by preventing you from plugging anything else in.

>>12091433
Is it gonna have a self-destruct mechanism? 20km is a long way up and if it veers off course out of control it's a big stainless steel missile.
>>12091454
Well you buy it, plug it in, turn it on, ????, saves electricity.

>>12091459
>Is it gonna have a self-destruct mechanism?
SpaceX will just ask ULA for help on that.

>>12091459
Lab padre said all SN have explosives.

>>12091457
>>12091459
why do you turn it on? WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE

>>12091453
Yeah I'd expect so, from now they have roughly 23 months till the 2022 launch window, they'll have plenty of time for Starships, even if they only made one every two months they'd still arrive at the Mars window a month ahead of schedule. They also have to build a reliable superheavy though, it's good they're getting on it now.

>>12091446
What if it had some sort of variable wing geometry? I mean I know this is all pointless but it's fun to think about.

>>12091453
I think it'll work first try. What do you think?

>>12091443
Well I know they're doing something with SN7.1 just don't know what, maybe they're just going to pressurize it or something.

>>12091459
>it's a big stainless steel missile
You have to trust me, anon. Do you trust me?

>>12091457
You can buy pieces of plastic that do that tho

>>12091459
Emergency control systems will direct it towards China if things are looking bad.

>>12091443
I thought 7 was the tank that the front fell off of before they built anything else of it, and 7.1 is their mulligan to re-use the number on another rocket

Why hasn't the Falcon Heavy been used for anything yet?

>>12091466
I'm not a scientist but I have a good feeling about this thing.
>>12091477
I mean I'm not in Texas so yeah go for it my man.

>>12091491
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Heavy#Launches_and_payloads

>>12091449
HEY BILLY MASON HERE!

>>12091468
Considering the extremity of the performance profile (from low speed to far into the hypersonic regime) variable geometry to accommodate would be ridiculously heavy and complex, but probably better than just shoving an orbital rocket into a jumbo jet.

You're still trying to ditch with the exact thing that's the problem though. At least with TSTO there's a first stage to actually ditch, which the Starship can potentially accomplish.

>>12091492
>I'm not in Texas
>most trips in under an hour to anywhere in the world

>>12091495
Reminder that Billy Mays died in '09
F
>>12091502
>>most trips in under an hour to anywhere in the world
N-not SN8 though, right?

>>12091494
This is nothing interesting. All that fanfare and it basically became a Delta IV heavy replacement. Big whoop, it was supposed to do a moon fly-by

>>12091502
An hour wouldn’t even get me to Heathrow.

>>12091506
It still could, Elon just convinced chinky to fund his bigger rocket. pretty smart honestly

>>12091500
I wonder if they could boot up the starship upper stage rockets to escape from the first stage in atmosphere.

>>12091406
>>12091414
>Guise!
> what if
>What if we put
>We Put Powerline Adaper!
>Guise!
>We Put Powerline
>!!!
>and then if we pass the starlink!
>We plug the starlink into the powerlink as well!
>Guise Powerlink
>Gonnect!

Did I fixed it?

>>12091492
this powerguard thing is a parody/meme right?

>>12091513
but why? does first stage got cooties?

>>12091519
If it starts exploding or spiralling out of control or something you're gonna want to get as far from it as quickly as you can.

>>12091514
Put a pair of eyes behind one of the holes

>>12091521
it's probably too slow

>>12091517
https://www.amazon.com/POWERGARD-High-Efficiency-Energy-Saver/dp/B001GPUH5G

>>12091513
Elon has suggested it would be possible before. Considering that they keep pushing the engine performance ahead since then I think it's quite likely.

>>12091514
put the emperor giving everyone a little added juice, lightning style

>>12090752
Doesn't SN6 use the same mounting brackets at SN5?

>>12091384
Can’t handle reality can you?

Why did Merlin 2 flop?

>>12091526
lmfao there's a sucker born every day. though it doesn't seem legal since the claims are lying