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>>12079197
Launch habbening

they fucking did it, nice

Are storable non-toxic propellants (or storable propellants that produce non-toxic exhaust gases) a meme?

I've been brainstorming an idea for a "dirt cheap" fully reusable TSTO satellite launcher. Both the first and seconds stages land retrospectively like a falcon and the second stage is essentially a self-propelled permanently affixed payload bay with opening doors. I was hoping replace LOX with either N2O or N2O4 to make for cheap storable propellants and launch scrub security (the rocket can simply wait for the weather to improve to launch). I would even put an abort tower on the second stage despite having no crew aboard to reassure the customer that their payload won't go up in flames.

This "Dolphin 20" rocket will be the first member of the Dolphin rocket family. The "20" stands for the max payload to LEO in Tonnes. It may be followed up by a larger Dolphin 50 and finally a Dolphin ultimate (200 tonnes to LEO).

In my imaginary spaceflight company, we will establish the practice of naming our vehicles and major hardware after assorted sea creatures, though I'm still trying to find an appropriate name for the company itself.

Imagine thinking of the millions you could have saved and spent on lambos by going with space x, but instead you're cucked by a binding contract to this dead company.

>>12079323
I want to see alien titties, not cars

>>12079326
???

>>12079321
N2O4 is toxic.

How is /sfg/ preparing to cope when Musk is arrested after Starship RUDs on launch with a hundred people on board?

>>12079369
>How will /sfg/ cope
They never will, Starship will never be successful, and will never achieve orbit, let alone launch people to Mars

>>12079369
Was Jay Greene arrested for the Challenger disaster? Was Dennis Muilenburg arrested for the 737 MAX screw up?

>>12079369
If they're all Democrats he'll get a medal.

>>12079382
>If they're all Democrats he'll get a medal.
>>12079381
No, but the only people who'll be able to afford seats will be richfags who will inevitably be upset when a bunch of their friends explode.

What's your favorite exoplanet, /sfg/?

Angry Astronaut seems to be on board with the 4ASS colony on Olympus Mons, because of lava tubes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFMS2SsJP0&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D

>>12079369
>>12079378
lol let's put money on these predictions boyos-500 that ol musky puts humans on mars before december 31st 2030.

>>12079385
Fuck off, tankie.

>>12079395
Probably the Trappist system as a whole.

>>12079355

Is is still toxic when burned with RP1?

>>12079504
Probably.

1246 GMT (8:46 a.m. EDT)

remember

>>12079321
I've enjoyed this post.

>>12079321
How about ALICE?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALICE_(propellant)

>>12079515
>Boca Chica, TX, circa 2030

>>12079369
Liability Waiver

>>12079321
just use water heated by batteries dumbass

How do astronauts eat this shit

>>12079748
with their face hole sweety

>>12079748
Those are tasty you fag bitch

>>12079321
>I would even put an abort tower on the second stage despite having no crew aboard to reassure the customer that their payload won't go up in flames.
I'm surprised nobody has done this.

>>12079748
is either this or freeze dried mango technically a type of ceramic?

>>12079323
Vega is domestic ICBM with ESA sticker. They aren't build to be cost-effective, but to keep manufacturing capacity in Europe.
And Ariane 6 is the most cost effective rocket to GTO because F9 has mediocre upper stage
To get there you need FH and at that point it's spending 1 rocket vs. refurbishing 3 rockets (at best - you might need to spend the central one)

>>12079837
Ariane 6 is a paper rocket.

>>12079776
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>>12079837
>Ariane 6
Even if it outperforms Falcon heavy on price per kg to performance for GTO, New Glenn will demolish it, and is equally a paper rocket in development
If New Glenn flies first, Ariane 6 is DOA internationally

>>12079860
>New Glenn
good point
I tend to forget they exist
Bezos is like the arch-villain they tease before the end credits
>>12079854
>paper rocket
the boosters are already sitting in Kourou
all they are waiting for is the new launchpad iirc

>>12079369
This is a shitpost of course but I have to ask, why does Starship not have a launch escape system?

Like every other human rated rocket made ever? Why the fuck would NASA ever approve it for the moon missions?

>>12079765
fuck the customers, honestly?

>>12079958
just make the rocket go if you need to escape dude

>>12079860
NG doesn't even have a price.

>>12079958
Same reason airliners don't have escape pods.

>>12079958
>Like every other human rates rocket made ever
Literally safer than the space shuttle

>>12079958
Because moon starship WON'T be launching or landing astronauts on Earth. Only takes them from moon orbit to surface and back.

>>12079966
>>12079765
Because it's a fucking retarded idea. Satellites are not made to withstand the forces of an abort and splashdown.

>>12080037
just put parachutes on the satellite

Whats the best labpadre cam to blueball myself with?

>>12079321

N2O and Propane might make a decent combination.

Exhaust gases would be mostly N2 and CO2, which are harmless.

Why are there two /sfg/ threads right now?

>>12080402
double penetration

Important arianespace development get in here
https://twitter.com/nasaspaceflight/status/1301353526967390211?s=21

Also apologies but there is another /sfg/ thread in the catalog and in my opinion it’s best if everyone migrates there for clarity >>>12079822

>>12080402
Holy shit thumbnail looked like a dominatrix girl wearing a red skirt and leather mask. Did not expect snake

>>12080544

kek

>>12080540
"post ariane 6 era" fucking LMAO. Ariane 6 era has ended before it began.
A couple threads ago I posted a german article taking apart why Ariane 6 and any of their future projects are kind of bullshit.
>>/sci/thread/12021797#p12024545
They're years behind and falling further behind every year.
Ariane 6 was supposed to be an answer to Falcon 9's vertically integrated production. But now that that is almost flying SpaceX has Falcon reusability pretty much done and is crushing the market. And they're already working on Starship.
Ariane (and any other old space really) either needs to do like America did in the 60s, get ahead of the curve and announce a moonshot project or give up, stick its head in the sand and die a few years later.

what would mining look like on Mars? would it just be autonomous vehicles that bulldoze and strip mine the surface and bring regolith back to a nearby refinery?

>>12080540
Behold, Ariane's new rocket, the Faucon Neuve. No relation to anything that SpaceX is doing, of course.

>>12081192
>"post ariane 6 era" fucking LMAO. Ariane 6 era has ended before it began.
At least they recognize that. Hopefully they'll move on, and do so quickly.

>>12081381
It might resemble something like Japan's economy. Small population so most of the work has to be done by robots with human supervisors.

>>12079326
>tfw no spacefox gf

Man SpaceX is moving fast. I don't even have time to keep up with all their launches and developments

So, how long until Mars?

>>12081689
next Tuesday

>>12081634
OMG THEY JUST LANDED ON MARS

>>12081593
>Krystal will never sit in your lap while you fly your spaceship and grind against your crotch

>>12081837
https://youtu.be/KeK0r4Q-6rs

https://mobile.twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1301505513113481217

Chinese X-37B launch soon.

>>12081909
China does cool shit I really wish they weren’t a bunch of assholes. Imagine if everyone got along. Damn.

What is the most interesting body in the Solar system for you?

pic semi-related

>>12081962
Your sister's.

>>12081962
Comet 67P

MechYeb! can't handle my stupid rocket at all, in any mode. In RSS mode it won't throttle up, and in the others the gravity turn is too sharp and it burns up. Sad!

>>12081192
I believe they are going that linar gate thing now

Don't worry cap'm we'll buff out those scratches.

20 km hop when

>>12079748
isnt this a lie

I remember reading this was developed for space but astronauts don't actually eat it

>>12082343
Based Kerbal player.

>>12082343
based Sullykerman landing

>>12082407
We gotta convince an executive at Freeze Dried Ice Cream Co. to send a packet to the ISS and have someone eat it for real.

>>12082032
does it just get stuck on initializing under status in PVG mode
I've had that issue with some two-engine rockets, but changing the engines around a bit usually fixed it
also too high or low TWR can cause issues with mechjeb, about 1.5 for the first stage seems ideal but 1.2-1.9 should probably work and at least 0.3 and preferably above 0.5 for the upper stage

>>12081962
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>>12082658
based and albedopilled

>>12081965
she's kinda fat though

>>12082656
It said "Waiting for launch" IIRC. I ended up launching manually since you can see I have a hilarious amount of delta-v, but the payload's engine ended up being something from interstellar extended and wouldn't provide any thrust without a different part I didn't have. Back to the drawing board.

>>12082667
if you're using launch to target plane it can be buggy sometimes, just watch the launch timer on it or in engineer and then disable launch to plane and launch normally with mechjeb at the correct time

https://youtu.be/gDNDQQlx1JE?t=362
All of this industrial might... GONE

>>12082658
ENCHILADAS

>>12082658
Ok encel.

>>12082710
we're more enlightened and sophisticated now. manufacturing is for poor countries.

>>12082734
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>>12082754
actually i'm russian bot here to hacks yours election!

>>12079958
Couldn't fit an LES in without compromising basically everything.
STS didn't have one.

>>12082710
The interesting thing is that technically we don't even need parachutes anymore.

>>12082773
Starship IS the LES. Other rockets need one because the manned stage has a TWR under 1.

>>12082789
It just werks though

>>12081962
When will oceanlets learn?

>>12079385
Fuck off communist

>check up on sn6
>it's still venting
what's going on??

>>12079958
>This is a shitpost of course but I have to ask, why does Starship not have a launch escape system?

Why would it have one? They’re dumb and pointless.

>>12079369
>>12079385
>>>/out/

>>12082873
You heard about hop, but what about second hop?

i wish everyday astronout would reduce his onions levels, the content itself is good but i can't watch him because of the cringe

>>12082899
He can’t help it, he’s been exposed to too many phytoestrogens and xenoestrogens

Did they catch the Falcon fairings yesterday?

>>12082868
>europa is brown
>ecneladus is 100% WHITE
really makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>12079401
It does make a lot of sense, why build huge above ground structures or spend years digging out your own caves when you have kilometer wide tunnels already sitting around doing nothing on a planet with very weak geological activity. You can start with thin-walled prefabs (since you won't have to worry about radiation) and at some point when you've got enough resources you can seal up the tube and start working towards pressurizing it, once that's done you don't really have to worry about living space ever again.

>>12081962
I've got a few but in terms of asteroids I've gotta say Arrokoth/Ultima Thule. It's a compound rock about 35km across the long axis. It would make a great spin station assuming it's a silicate rock and you make sure to strap the two halves firmly together.

>>12082953
Plus by building underground you leave the right of way clear for the 4ASS junkyard electromagnet mass driver running up the surface of the western slope. Anons did some napkin math and if you run the whole thing at 4 Gs of acceleration you're actually going Mars escape velocity by the time you release.

>>12082980
it looks like a brainlord wojak

I have a rant. One of my academic colleagues is a nospace communist who would like to see BO succeed over Elon because "Elon could have used that money to help people instead of launching a car into space."
He's a scientist but he couldn't into the concept of dummy payloads even after I explained it.
God help higher ed.

>>12083012
. . . so why doesn't he thing BO should use that money to help people too?

>>12083015
Because apparently Bozos is "self-made"

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19760004112
bros I want to read this but im too tired tonight so I need someone else read it for me and telepathically install the knowledge in my brain

>>12083017
Remind your tankie friend that government AWS contracts give Bezos tens of millions a year, to say nothing of how many copies of the Washington Post the feds buy every day.

>>12083012
>Elon could have used that money to help people instead of launching a car into space.
He could, however he lives in a country that gives him and every other citizen the freedom of doing what they want with their possessions (within reason and legality). That economic freedom is one of the reasons that country is great. Removing that freedom would ruin that country.

>>12083012
>Elon could have used that money to help people instead of launching a car into space
He helped people BY launching a car into space. That stunt was probably one of the most effective science communication and outreach events since the fucking moon landing.

>>12083012
Buy a pistol and shoot them 9 times in the head.

>>12083017
So he's into those conspiracy theory where Elon is a slave mine owner.

>>12083012
I mean why does his """argument""" have any less potency on Jeff Bezos? Bezos is substantially more wealthy than Elon and he's made substantially less progress with space. If re-allocation of resources is something he believes in, wouldn't it make more sense to allocate more space resources to Elon Musk since he's making progress and re-allocate Bezos' resources to "help people"?

I swear I'd be better at Communism than commies, and I fucking hate Communism.

When's the Delta IV gonna be ready again? 6 years?

>>12083012
>One of my academic colleagues is a nospace communist
Slaughter him like the dog he is, it isn't murder if it's just a commie.

>>12083068
There are only five left before retirement. One is launching this week iirc.

>>12083026
>>12083022
This guy also assumed that Bezos' net worth had recently gone down by a third out of charity, not because he was divorce raped
>>12083078
>>12083045
Only if there are Cybercopter rides

>>12083086
lmao what a tard

>>12083086
>This guy also assumed that Bezos' net worth had recently gone down by a third out of charity, not because he was divorce raped
Yeah anon's right that fag's a lost cause just fucking shoot him.

>>12083086
Buy him a helicopter ride.

Moving pointedly away from politics, how large does a saltwater and marine life module need to be before you can use it as an air filter and food source? 10% the size of the rest of the station? Equal volume? Is there a minimum size on the marine module itself for being a self sustaining habitat?

>>>/wsg/3608439

>>12083110
fairly big
depends if you want like actual ecosystem or pretty fishy aquarium or just algae/bug leg farm or what

>>12079776
No.

It's Tracker time

so uhhhhhhh when can we get thermoelectric generators with better than 0.0000000000001% efficiency bros

>>12083135
Ideally a real ecosystem - the fewer times you need to do underwater spacesuit maintenance work, the better.

Was SN6 carrying more fuel? It seemed to get off the pad way slower then SN5.

>>12083165
I wish I could muster up this kind of autism, nice work lad

>>12083136

>>12083181
its spent a whole lotta time venting after it landed

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>>12083165
dumping graphs. The smoothening method i used does introduce a noticeable time lag, but I'm too lazy to correct it and it doesn't really affect the visualization of the hop profile

>>12083245

>>12083249
this one is pretty interesting as it indirectly shows the throttling of the raptor through the flight

>>12083249
when do we get the other 7785m/s

>>12083110
I'd say anywhere between 40-60% of the entire space station. You need at least 25 square meters of direct sunlight to feed a person on earth even with the most efficient farming systems (Aquaponics or Aeuroponics). If you use artificial light coming in from all directions and build upwards you can probably get away with a volume of 3x3x3 meters to feed one person, same rule should apply to a state of the art salt water farming system. Of all the things you can have in a self sufficient space station, food production is probably what takes the most space.

>>12083251
>>12083249
>>12083245
dude put some trigger warnings on that I just got calc 1 flashbacks

>>12083234
>adding that unauthorized mass

>>12083341
even more mass than that, his beard isn't fully covered and now there's hairs stuck all over the isogrid too

>>12083021
One day, friend.

>>12083349
a california condor made a nest in one of these, wherefore ula is obligated to perform an environmental impact report. pending results of said report, launch of the vulcan may be delayed indefinitely

>>12079604
Wasn’t this an actual proposal? IIRC it needed like hundreds of car batteries that weighed more than the payload itself or something lmao

>>12082881
Starship is just falcon elevenses

>why yes, I do use hypergolic propellants in my nuclear thermal rocket
>how could you tell?

PROJECT ORION NUCLEAR PULSE PROPULSION BATTLESHIPS WITH EXPENDABLE SOLID ROCKET THROWAWAY BOOST STACKS

>>12083516
>hey let's boost the nuke ship right up into optimum effective EMP height before we start dropping bombs so we can be sure we fry the whole world's electronics at once

>>12083529
mythbusters already busted this

>>12083536
how?

>>12083568
They detonated a nuke at the appropriate altitude and their electronics didn't get fried

>>12083570
who the fuck would give Adam Savage a nuke
like I can understand Jamie but Adam? no

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ol' musky
>m-mars guys
>m-multiplanetary species

peter 'marginal mass' beck
>OOOOOH WE GOIN
>TO THE SECOND PLANET FROM THE SUUUUUN

>>12083649
GIVER OF LIFE AND THE GIVER OF SPEED
EVER WE TAKE EVEN HER GRAVITY
HER GLOWING BEAUTY IS SOMETHING TO SEE
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>>12083649
He didn't mention it on the stream, but as of now the plan is for that moon mission to launch from Rocketlab LC-2 at NASA Wallops.

>>12083658
Does the photon tech demo have enough dv to get to venus right now? or does that require special trajectories, a transfer window, or some other important thing that ain't on the demo

>>12083669
There's apparently a separate config with more propulsion for lunar or interplanetary missions.

>>12082980
nothing out there is primarily silicates, that object is probably upwards of 90% frozen volatiles

Lads I made this for the hopfags, I don't have the attention span to reliably witness all the hops.

>>12083680
>frozen volatiles
it's not ice's fault that we exist at a temperature at which it's molten
open your mind, ice is a rock

>>12083685
no

>>12083687
yes

>>12083685
based

>>12083685
ownage?

>>12083690
Maybe

could... could Starship make it to orbit by itself if you strapped some SRBs to it

>>12083685
>ice is a rock
>it turns out methane/ammonia life is the most common in the universe
>humans are lava blooded freaks by comparison that can forcibly sublimate an ayy just by breathing fire on them too hard
>our spaceships are featherweight by comparison because we can keep our habs at 300K and use much smaller radiators

>spaceflight

>>12083702
>piss lava and breathe rocket fuel

>>12083702
>>12083705
that being said, i wonder if life under volatile conditions (such as life in titan's seas of methane and ethane) could ever become multicellular, or even intelligent

I read somewhere that if urf was more massive it would be impossible to escape with chemical propulsion. would the first rockets developed on such a planet be nuclear pulse, nuclear thermal, or just add more stages lol?

>>12083711
just add more stages lol
nuclear pulse next

>>12083709
europa has had liquid oceans long enough, but no confirmation yet on ocean contact with volatiles. is enchiladas more likely? wonder how old that ocean is

>>12083649
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>>12083712
>boost it up, then squirt the nukes and fry the whole world's electronics at once

>>12083719
no, I mean their initial rockets will be three stage monstrosities
eventually they'll invent nuclear pulse propulsion and do it in one

>>12083685
We also exist at transient conditions at which entropy hasn't finished reducing matter into nothing.

>>12083721
ok imagine there's a planet with the gravity of jupiter but somehow rocky. hear me out..
>multistage nuclear pulse propulsion

bro why dont we just invent reaction control wheels that move the ship isntead of rotating it

>>12083727
that's called a rocket

>>12083727
We can wheel that sucker between orbits like a wagon

>>12083716
Most spherical moons in the outer solar system are thought to have liquid oceans, except Io. Its pretty much all but confirmed for Ganymede (which actually has 3 layers of liquid water oceans inbetween various layers of ice, with the bottom ocean touching the silicate core) and we're very sure about them on Callisto. Then Titan is pretty much confirmed to have a subsurface ocean as well, plus Enceladus (biggest problem with Enceladus is its only around 100 million years old, probably not old enough for multicellular life). There is also evidence for the other spherical moons of Saturn and Uranus for having liquid oceans, but much less research has been done on them yet (though I suspect many of them do based on current research), and Triton is believed to have a subsurface ocean as well. Its very likely that subsurface liquid water oceans are a pretty common thing in the universe.

>>12083726
>SSTO fusion aerospike (3d printed)

>>12083709
prokaryotes with super slow metabolism maybe

>>12081911
>China copies cool shit
ftfy

How the fuck does he get away with it

>>12083464
t.Vladimir Chelomei

>>12083649
VENUSIAN, SICKNESS DIRE
I WANT TO BE SET ON FIRE

>>12083771
kindve insensitive huh

what if we're not careful and we use too many earth assists, transferring too much momentum away from earth, causing the planet to fall into the sun? have the environmentalists or malthusians thought of this yet?

>>12083813
oh shit

>>12079466
There is a system full of traps?
I NEED FTL NOW

>>12083813
Shhhh. That's how we get rid of all the flat fags when we leave.

Man the SpaceX CGI guys must get annoyed by the design of the ITS/BFR/Starship changing every 2 seconds and having to make the images all over again

>>12083891
no, they like it
more job security

>>12083901
they probably have it set up so that it just automatically pulls in the latest CAD design for each part and runs it though each scene once a week or so

Just imagine participating in a long range geological survey on the Martian plains, analyzing mineral samples for potential exploitable elements.

Heaven

>>12083917
imagine drunk driving your geology RV/Party Van across the Martian plains with your geology/drinking bros

GUYS A SPACEX JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!!

China confirmed to have launched a space plane https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1301820982102028293

>>12083921
When you clean soil samples of perchlorates by pissing on them

>>12083891
Will starship ever look that smooth?? with all the welding and stringers I feel it will always look as brutal as the prototypes

>>12083954
Starship will be friction stir welded in a clean environment. You'll never notice the welds.

>>12083964
>friction stir welding stainless steel
a more courageous man than I, and most certainly more cavalier with his money

Watched Ad Astra today and I have to say it's a pretty anti-space film.

The moon sucks. Mars sucks. Neptune sucks. There's no aliens. Everyone's depressed as fuck in the film.

>>12083972
Watch interstellar instead

>>12083972
It's a dumb movie

>moon pirates, but they don't fly or use an armored transport
>having to go to mars to make a radio call. When it is only 5 to 20 light seconds closer than the moon.
>the baboon station.
>everyone keeps dying
>Tommy Lee killed his crew because he was sad about the lack of aliens

>>12083972
Ofshoots of humanity that live on different planets will be aliens after thousands of years.

>>12083901
This, having to constantly redo the design is much better than being paid once a year or something like that

>>12083964
actually the will do a single casting of the full booster

>>12083990
don't forget
>oh my god the world is ending plot in the beginning
>oh we kind of just forgot about this by the end

>>12083990
>Armored transport
Wouldn't this do nothing when they have laser weapons?

Honorable mentions
>Mars has 'relaxation rooms' where a projector plays footage of birds on the walls instead of you know, just building an animal habitat
>Every single room is dimly lit because ebin arthouse aesthetic

>>12084026
does mars have a piss filter like mexico in breaking bad?

>>12084026
Do you think armor doesn’t work against lasers or something?

>>12083972
It's not a space film, it just by chance had a space setting.
I don't know how it even got made, but I'm pretty sure the entire thing is just a vehicle for either the writer or the actor. 1st wouldn't even make sense tho, because, spoiler I guess... the plot is worthless. There's no reason to care about him and his daddy issues because he has no personality except, bowing forward for the system really good and the entire last arch is a single massive plothole. He basically killed everybody to do exactly what they were ordered to do. The recon mission also turned out to be a dud, good thing everything lead up to it btw... And the psychological evaluation gimmick was just annoying, not dystopic.
Some scenes were pretty okay and I could see what the camera and lighting team were going for, but considering all the money they dunked into this, everything less would have been a let down as well!
Here are some way more better movies with a similar'ish premise or at least shared aspects:

>Moon,
an existential chamberplay with the same mood, but better
>Contact,
dunno why, but it's pretty good.... edit I now know why I mention it, I think I expected AdAstra to be a mix of contact and Oblivion2013
uhm, >Event Horizon,
what I was hoping the last arch to feel like
>Interstellar,
has peak sci fi drama (I cried)
>First Man,
Neil Armstrong biography, it's relatively dry because becoming an Astronaut irl is probably pretty dry, but you get to see the (spoiler) moon landing
>The Martian,
because similar tech level and fucking THE MARTIAN!
even the chick from Gravity was more sympathetic.

>>12083946
Chinese space plane may be intercepting the X-37B https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1301849948485373952

>>12083972
I hate that negative atmosphere but I loved the movie felt like a 70s scifi movie. So fucking slow. Working man in space and the miserable characters are balanced out by the cool visuals and the rad (ofc retarded who gives a fuck) moon buggy chase. Only thing I can't get passed is Brad Pitt sneaking onto a launching rocket. Seemingly between the engines. Oh well. It was a cool movie. Whole time I was thinking wew they don't make em like this anymore. Only it was a new movie.

Contact is great but it has aged into a daytime TV movie. It's worth mentioning because it is Interstellar but with Jodie Foster.

First Man is the best space movie in my opinion. All corners it cut (staying very zoomed in due to the lack of massive sets or well preserved equipment) all added to the immense immersion. The opening scene of the X-15 and the Moon landing sequence and door opening will stay with me forever. Wish I'd had an IMax within 500 miles for that hatch opening.

The Martian is great too and is aging like fine wine because it seemed a little too optimistic when I saw it in the cinema and now seems quaintly pessimistic.

>>12084026
>laser weapon
Every artillery evolvement in history has provoked Armor developments to at least some degree. When it wasn't possible anymore for armour to catch up, they started looking at their tactics. Like retiring the battleline in favour of rock paper scissor unit development, planes and helicopters started to just go faster, fly higher, lower, deploy decoys, etc.

Therefore the scene is bull, since they headed into a sure death situation with a VIP on their rolling camping tables. The Apollo Landers were more suited for the situation than these stupid bugs. And to top it all off, I mean it's a movie, They didn't even look cool or lead up to a cool scene. It was just bland.

>>12084106
>https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1301849948485373952
Uh oh

>>12084026
I know nothing about the background of the movie but it looked like a pastiche of retro futurism more than an actual attempt at predicting the future.

The relaxation rooms are straight out of Aliens after all.

>>12083972
>nooo you can't just try to find higher meaning through science or religion! you have to stay at home with your wife who hates you!

What an awful movie.

>>12079748
>>12079750
>>12079761
>>12079776
It's a misnomer, no astronaut has ever eaten astronaut ice cream in space. It was a concept I think but it was never put onboard

>>12084174
Hollywood directors are too up their own ass to actually put anything visionary on the screen. Everything has to be about """real""" everyday problems or it‘s not going to be an artistic accomplishment.

>>12081593
not a furfag but I would unironically fug Krystal
What's the hottest alien you'd fuck, /sfg/?

>>12084106
What they fail to remember here is that X-37 is the one who intercepts.

>>12084210
>not a furfag but I would unironically fug Krystal
same desu

>>12084211
>X-37 does a partial reentry cross-range plane change maneuver and teleports behind the chinkplane
>"heh, nothing personal"

>>12084210
>>12084225
Yes, you both are.

>>12084210
I’d fuck an alien amoeba with six pseudopods if it can make me cum somehow

>>12084174
Getting married to a life partner and raising tadpoles in the spawning pool is literally the best it gets

>>12083012
Ask him why he spends money on grande onions mocha lattes or whatever when he could be buying a meal for a homeless person.

>>12083529
Get rid of the boosters, just nuke it straight off the ground. Nuclear SSTO baby! Fuck the whales!

>>12084246
based and nukepilled

>>12084246
>Fuck the whales!
Nuclear energy is greener than what's in use today.
If anything, you can sell it as saving the whales.

>>12084229
>partial reentry cross-range plane change
That really does sound pretty badass

Excited for those crazy kiwis and whatever they have planned. I am surprised that someone here has not been autistic enough to get a spot on a ride share for a good solid shitpost

>>12084305
Those kiwis are headquartered in America now.
They're ours. You can't have them back.

>>12084297
Big difference between a controlled reaction on land vs detonating tons of nukes oversea

>>12084308
What could go wrong?
It'll all be fine. We should do it.

>>12084307
Wasn't Pickering from JPL a kiwi as well?

JET POWERED REUSABLE FLYBACK BOOSTERS FOR 2STO SHUTTLES

>>12084225
>>12084210
>that new Fluff-Kevlar pic with Krystal in lingerie

>>12084305
>>12084307
I for one welcome our new electric-hobbit friends.

>>12084316
No, he was an American.
Born in New Zealand, moved here for college, and then was quickly naturalized.
Ours, you can't have him back.

>>12084325
>implying I am a kiwi
What is the time there even? Like 4am?

>>12084325
Wonder what would happen if Floridan's and Aussies would join forces...

>>12084381
>>12084325
Shh that polymerization is forbidden and will lead to the doom of us all.

>>12084381
The world would collapse in on itself. Or there would be a universe spanning Floristralian Empire

>>12084381
Emu hurricanes.

>>12084005
I'd like to see that.

>>12084387
>Floristralian Empire
Imagine the engines on their rockets

>>12084211
>the missile knows where it is

>>12081962
>Ganymede

She is one of two soild object in solar system that has magnetic field and may have ocean under ice-shell

>>12081962
>Ganymede

She is one of two soild object in solar system that has magnetic field and may have ocean under ice-shell.

>>12084409
What good is a magnetic field when it gets an extra dose of radiation from close by?

>>12084106
And so begun the Star Wars have.

>>12084394
Geee I'm so not ready for that!

>>12084421
>Buran never spied on Shuttle

>>12084458
Buran was too busy spying on the inside of a cheaply made hanger for the Motherland to spy on anything else.

>>12084409
This is going to be the third colonized world after the Moon and Mars.

>>12084421
>>12084458
History is repeating itself?

>>12084474
Buran was basically shuttle 2.0, the development of the shuttle was very open so most of it was not really espionage.
But yeah, it was based on the shuttle, that is how it improved so much over it.

>>12084458
Buran launched once.

>>12084481

>>12084474
>putting the expensive engines on the expendable part

>>12084484
>>12084475

>>12084480
>it was obvious to NASA that the Shuttle's development wasn't complete
>new space technologies were still being developed
>the Soviets made an improved Shuttle
>the X-33 had better tech that could've been applied to the Shuttle
>studies and concepts have been made by NASA in make a better Shuttle
>even Armageddon depicted improved Shuttles
>NASA never improved the Shuttles in a meaningful way
>even after deaths and close calls

>>12084496
They obviously knew but chose not to, because it would shift paradigm. Same why Delta Clipper was doomed single stage instead of two stage.

>>12084509
Why are there no good DC-X mods for KSP?

>>12084520
Follow the COTS spirit of the DC-X and make one from commonly available mods.

>>12084525
Might try it with Mk3 Expansion

>>12084496
Reminder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-27

>When Gibson saw the damage he thought to himself, "We are going to die", he and others did not believe that the shuttle would survive reentry. Gibson advised the crew to relax because "No use dying all tensed-up", he said, but if instruments indicated that the shuttle was disintegrating, Gibson planned to "tell mission control what I thought of their analysis" in the remaining seconds before his death.

>>12084474
>Where is Buran, i haven't seen him in a long time
>Only few people who visit me are not rocket engineers
>I miss Glushko
>One day i will fly... Glushko promised me... One day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAKrzOLQTg
>Starlink SN6 150m Flight Test
>Starlink
good job spacex pr

So, what's next in Spaceflight?
Delta Heavy?
Doesn't feel like space anymore.

Chinese spaceplane will pass within 40km of the X-37B https://twitter.com/Marco_Langbroek/status/1301875315757776902
NSF article: https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/09/china-launches-experimental-spaceplane/

The Chinese will also be launching another spysat (copycat of the American KENNEN spysats) in 2 days

since it's not clearly linked
other previous thread:
>>12079822

>>12084553
It would be a damn shame if that deorbited unexpectedly right into the party headquarters.

>>12084545
They're so fucking bored they're just copypasting shit no doubt.

SpaceX just uploaded the official SN6 hop footage video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAKrzOLQTg

>>12084562
Elon has Neurolink bug.

>>12084545
lel, didn't even notice the mistype.
That being said, I woke up this morning, like 9 hours after the flight, and SN6 was still leaking out smoke.
I'm not an expert, but I think SN29 is gone.

>>12084553
Can't they tell it to fuck off?

>>12084570
Telling that they didn't show the landing from inside the skirt this time. Everything did not go as planned on that part.

>>12084582
Yeah, I think SN29 just caught fire. see >>12084576

>>12084570
they even got the name wrong lmao

>>12084590
Last livestream they had was a Starlink launch, I guarantee they just copypasted from the template they used and published without checking too hard.

>Starlink SN6

So what's the next step?
SN 7.1 cryo test?

>>12084599
We know

>>12084597
Should've copypasted from this one then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0

>>12084605
Yeah, but you know how these media monkeys work.

>>12084601
The next step is finding out why SN29 caught fire?
And what you mentioned, I guess.

>>12084586
>>12084576
>Still leaking smoke
Maybe one of the Tesla batteries caught on fire

>>12084475
>This is going to be the third colonized world after the Moon and Mars.

Third should be Ceres, for the Jovian system I think Callisto is far better place for colonized than Ganymede because it has far less radiation

>>12084601
SN7.1 seems like the obvious next thing to test. I wonder how long it'll be until SN5 does another hop.

>>12084614
Nah, it was from the bottom.
Now, it's most certainly not a big deal. Those hops aren't what the vehicle is supposed to do, but I think the heat got caught up in the skirt of the vehicle as it was descending.

>>12084616
>Third should be Ceres
too small, gravity too low.

>>12084601
Just hop 5 and 6 some more to get practice with the flight preparations

>>12084545
Imagine a constellation of starships around the globe kek

>>12084623
Still Smoking with extra special guest stars Cheech and Chong.

>>12084599
Oooo a Korean anon

>>12084629
Oh, you're right, it is.
RIP SN29.
Press F to pay respects.

>>12084624
Hundreds of kilometers in diameter, and there’s no such thing as “too weak” gravity as long as there’s a detectable down

That overracheiving grain silo had better kiss vacuum by the end of the year. How is a 2024 moon mission acheivable at this rate?

>>12084607
There's no proof that raptor was on fire.

>>12084634
I don't know what's causing the smoke, but it can't be fucking LOX still oozing out after all this fucking time unless they're dribbling it out through the engine in some bizarre cooldown ritual or whatever to appease Hephaestus or something.

>>12084641
What else would be?
They had to extinguish some flames on landing.
Explain to me how Stainless steel burns.

>>12084607
Shelby was in the skirt of SN6 trying to sabotage it, then the hop started before he had a chance to leave, and...

>>12084643
Idk, wiring, electronics, all the not plumbing parts of SN29 are now gone.

>>12084644
There's a methane vent on the bottom, excess methane burning. Simple.

>>12084647
For 24 hours? Insert <doubts>

>>12084648
It was burning shortly after landing. Now it's venting. That thing is definitely not smoke, it's obvious how the venting rate changes all the time. The tanks are fucking huge and they can't really vent it all at once. Might be a stretch, but I'd rather believe this, than a fucking fire/smoking that has lasted for 22 hours.

>>12084656
It vented just after the flight
There should be nothing left in there.
Also SN5 didn't do this.

>>12084661
SN5 wasn't safed for at least 24 hours after the flight though. Maybe they couldn't vent.

>>12084656
Slow fires are a thing.
We can't really see, but maybe the legs are just fucking gone and there's just barely any oxygen making it up the skirt.

>>12083273
>calc 1 flashbacks

>>12084671
Let me add some science to this, as this is a science board.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia_mine_fire

>>12084753
I love that one, set an entire coal seam on fire and it's STILL burning now lol.

>>12084570
Imagine landing on Mars with three fucking Raptors...it would see cloud dust from orbit.

Now I've got an easy solution to this, and that is having a hole in the skirt at the upmost point.
Thanks for nothing, spaceX, you owe me a Billion dollar or R&D.

>>12084773
Estimates say it will still burn in 150years.

>>12084774
Not so much dust with low atmosphere. Watch the Apollo landings.

>>12084784
Whish could, or could not be fake.

>>12084605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAKrzOLQTg

>>12084538
>The day after Atlantis landed, the 1988 Armenian earthquake killed tens of thousands in the Soviet Union. At an astronaut meeting Gibson said, "I know many of you may have been very curious about our classified payload. While I can't go into its design features, I can say Armenia was its first target!" As military astronauts laughed and civilians cringed, Gibson continued, "And we only had the weapon set on stun!"

My time is worthless, so I actually compared both flight next to the other.
SN6 did even more of a drift manoeuvre on take-off than sn5.
But then they landed at the exact same t+52 seconds mark.

>>12084781
Future techno-barbarians will fear and worship the hot earth there as an entrance to hell.

>>12084806
Yeah, but let's get bak to point. My theory is all landing legs collapsed but one, mostly due to lateral motion at landing.
I wish we had some upper level views.

In light of what >>12079321 is hoping to accomplish,

What are some decent alternatives to LOX as an oxidizer? Preferably something that can be stored at or near room temperature, and who's combustion with RP1 doesn't produce exhaust gases that gangbang the ozone layer. It also shouldn't go boom if mishandled.

I'm genuinely curious about >>12080375

>>12084814
>My theory is all landing legs collapsed but one, mostly due to lateral motion at landing.
I think so too, at least a couple did at least. Would like to know more.

>>12084815
>What are some decent alternatives to LOX as an oxidizer? Preferably something that can be stored at or near room temperature, and who's combustion with RP1 doesn't produce exhaust gases that gangbang the ozone layer. It also shouldn't go boom if mishandled.
Define "decent". Pretty much all of the safer oxidizers are less potent than LOx. LOx is pretty much at balance between potency and safety. However, N2O is safer to handle and is still usable. The only two major issues are that it is a pain to turn liquid without cryogenic temperatures, and that it can spontaneously decompose if heated too much. Although on that last point, it's still safer than H2O2.

>>12084815
NOX is good. Easy to acquire, self-pressurizes, plumbing is easier than LOX, and can run non-cryogenic. Problem is, it’s density is worse than LOX... and it is super super sensitive to temperature. The difference between launching in June vs. launching in December will be quite noticeable unless you have a cheap and effective way of keeping the tank at an exact temp

>>12084818
Maybe there was a wind gust the exact moment it landed.
Not sure how much force it would take on the vehicle, as it is massive by definition.

>>12084825
>he difference between launching in June vs. launching in December will be quite noticeable unless you have a cheap and effective way of keeping the tank at an exact temp
Orange foam?

You know what? I think those retards at spaceX didn't even factor in the skirt in their algorithm.
They just forgot Falcon 9 didn't have that.

>>12084835
It's simultaneously more and less vulnerable to wind in it's current state. The much larger surface area of the Starship compared to Falcon means a simply larager amount of wind will push against it. With only one engine in operation the amount of correction it can perform for unexpected gusts is somewhat limited because if it goes too far off center the vehicle would flip. Once it's got more engines wind and undesirable translation shouldn't be an issue.
>>12084842
If you're willing to deal with extra cost and a not-insignificant increase in non-cargo dry mass.

>>12084825

Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) might be a decent alternative too. It's toxic, but when burned with any hydrocarbon based fuel the exhaust gases are mostly water vapor, CO2, and N2, which are pretty benign.

Or so I'm hoping.

>>12084856
>Or so I'm hoping.
Uh...Anon, what are you planning to do?
r u ok?

>>12084825
I think NOX is heavier on the combustion parts too.

>Uh...Anon, what are you planning to do?
r u ok?

Pitch the idea of replacing expensive, volatile LOX with something cheaper and storable. Why?

>>12084856
How do you get 100% No2? asking for a friend.

Are the amateur rocket engineers returning /sfg/?

>>12084842
Lmao. Foam is about as useful as a liquor store in saudi arabia.

I have an idea but it’s a little crazy and most likely dumb. (If it works it wold have been tried before.) How hard would it be to give starship a “jacket” made of two sheets of steel, with liquid helium between it that could be taken down to superfluid temperatures? Superfluids have zero entropy and can conduct any heat away isntantly. I think the problem though is that a) it takes a lot of energy to cool down liquid helium to superfluid temps, and b) I assume it takes a shitload of energy to keep it superfluid, does it not? If this idea works you could also use superfluid cooling in an engine by pumping it around the nozzle. But again, i’m pretty sure this would have been attempted by now if it’s even remotely possible

>>12084870
To add on to this, would it solve a ton of problems if we surrounded fuel tanks and engine nozzles with supersolids? Supersolids don’t exist AFAIK, but they are hypothetical

>>12084870
>conduct any heat away
Away to where?

>>12084884
Ummm unfortunately I don’t know enough about them to tell you. I was just basing my idea off my limited knowledge of superfluids. All I know so that when you cool bosons down they take advantage of their relationship to the heisenburg uncertainty principle and all enter the same state. (This is possible with fermions too but you need to form cooper pairs and I know next to nothing about that). I just believe that superfluids, like bose-einstein condensates, have a bunch of strange properties because they are quantum mechanical in nature and I feel like we have yet to tap the full potential of this strange state of matter. Hopefully other anons know more about the subject

>>12084884
Line the internal walls with microwave burritos

>>12084773
That's still not as cool as the natural fission reactor at Oklo, about 2 billion years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor

>>12084908
Geology can’t stop winning bros

>>12084908
I bet we're just seeing another example of not enough oxygen to burn site.
As I said SpaceX should just have a little hole up their skirt.
Yeah it makes white smoke, because it's not burning right.

Oh, wait, looks like smoke is stopped.

>>12084943
Still smokin.

Autistic but I did some math and I found that a starship with three sea level engines stacked on top of another Starship with 17 Sea level raptors gives us a payload of 20 tons to LEO while expendable.

A Starship with three vacuum engines stacked onto a starship with 17 sea level engines can put 43 tons into LEO expendable, and around 26 tons reusable. That’s about as much as a reusable Falcon heavy.

Note that this assumes that the tanks are just vanilla starships, the only different thing is the 17 - raptor mount for the lower stage.

>>12084997
Yeah, it's still burning.
At this point, I would advise Spacex to just poke a hole in the engine skirt.

Elon Musk will die soon and no one will ever go to space again lol

>>12085040
QUEEN shotwell will take over and carry the torch

>>12085040
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈!

Anything happening today /sfg/? Just woke up

>>12084774
they might do a vacuum raptor burn (6 raptors) during Mars landings lol

>>12084784
Mars has enough of an atmosphere to suspend the dust

>>12084851
what do you mean?

>>12085000
at that point it seems just as easy to double the length of your lower Starship and call her Super Heavy

>>12085000
Does that mean the starship won’t be economical to bring cargo to LEO?
I’d assume that launching a starship reusable would be harder/more expensive than launching a falcon heavy reusable

>>12085069
no

>>12085056
too bad she has a dry womb, Elon should have slapped a couple of kids in her. On the down low of course

>>12085119
Using Starship on Starship instead of Super Heavy.

>>12084616
>>12084624
Even if Ceres is never fully colonized, it'll at least get in the tens of thousands of colonists probably. Next logical step would be Callisto, then Ganymede, and only Europa once radiation protection tech is more advanced (which it may well be by the time Callisto is being colonized anyways.) If the radiation protection tech is good enough, even Io could be colonized to an extent.

>>12084661
>>12084656
>>12084648
The whole reason they can't approach the vehicle is because its still somewhat pressurized iirc, so it would be still venting.

>>12085040
Motherfucker better not die before starship is finished

test

>>12084026
Reflective ablative armor

https://spacenews.com/china-carries-out-secretive-launch-of-reusable-experimental-spacecraft/

>Chinese X-37B launched
>8 ton fairing, so quite a monster (Murrica is 4 tons)


China strong. We will dominate space.

>>12085294
>expected to return to Earth soon, targeting a rural Chinese village at supersonic speed

>>12085294
I wonder if this is the production version of the Shenlong prototype, which was launched by a bomber

https://twitter.com/Kyle_M_Photo/status/1301946581357395969
https://twitter.com/Kyle_M_Photo/status/1301953213344747522
The fairings from yesterday's Starlink launch are absolutely shredded

>>12085321
Shit happens, at least they cleaned it up.

>>12085294
>6 missions late

>>12085321
Do these fairings just have crazy RNG or do they just have a probability of surviving depending on the launch trajectory? I feel like if Elon were to keep doing F9 launches he would figure out a way to get the probability to 100% survival... but I guess it doesn’t matter because Starship is on the way so why bother with R&D resources. Still though, it would be cool to see fairings with parasails make it back to the launch site or something lmao

>>12085330

>>12085352
Did the USSR space program work with an unlimited budget? I don’t know if it was from lack of money or lack of science, but it’s so cool seeing their work-arounds to make up for things they couldn’t do. Best example is the insane soviet engines. Is China’s predicament any similar? They seem to stick with hypergolics for simplicity and I can’t imagine them doing anything revolutionary soon with their shitty material science. Except maybe a hypergolic reusable rocket (yes I’m being serious, they might actually do that)

>>12085369
LM5 in not hypergolic.

>>12085369
hypergolic Starship clone would be fucking hilarious and extremely Chinese
it needs hypergolic liquid boosters to drop on Chinese villages

>>12085294
I wonder how many rural chinese villagers got killed while the first stage came down on their village?

>>12085294
China will run out of shit to copy as their consulates get declared persona non grata.

>>12085339
Prob RNG mechanics due to fairings not being aerodynamic

>>12085394
the fairings have RCS control packs on them

>>12085396
Not enough for precise control.

>>12085352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szN2Clyzz7Y

>>12085339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfm_ytIcuPk
It's a bit of a rough ride down. If you get issues with a the parachute, that fairing is fucked.

>>12085040
Why do you think he produced so many sons? One each to carry on leadership of Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Neuralink, Boring Co.
They probably have weekly competitions with each other to see who gets the top pick.

>>12084774
Will Raprots have mach diamonds on Mars or is the atmosphere too thin?

>>12085446
maybe?

>>12085446
I'm guessing too thin.

>>12085352
do not fist rockets

>>12085474
>b-b-but senpai! I exhaust out of there!

>>12085479
L-lewd

>>12085494

>>12085339
Considering past 2022 we probably won't see launches of the Falcon 9 anymore to anything other then ISS (both crewed and cargo), the Falcon 9 probably only has under 100 launches with fairings left anyways. Falcon Heavy might be used occasionally throughout the rest of the 2020s though with fairings.

>>12085553
>Falcon 9 is the most modern operational rocket today
>Already talking about retirement

>>12085565
Starship bigboy gonna give proper retirement to F9/FHeavy

>>12084005
what about having the steel come out the mill in a spiral and then you just weld a single spiral seam up the hull 8)

>>12085565
They retired Dragon and HTV already.

>>12084005

>>12085565
Indeed. Rockets are supposed to be used for over 60 years without mayor improvements. How else can one know that they are reliable? SpaceX is a fraud!

>>12085574
It’s amazing that dragon is already retired. Literally elon could have just settled with 20 years of dragon resupplies and tried to bust NASA’s balls for money... but instead he is making a good name for private space by making Starship and pumping his own money in to make spaceflight cheaper for customers

What's stopping Elon from selling the Falcon 9 blueprints to ESA or another company/nation for a cool billion after Starship comes online?

>>12085650
ITAR restrictions.

>>12085650
state department

>>12085632
>but instead he is making a good name for private space by making Starship and pumping his own money in to make spaceflight cheaper for customers
Because space flight everywhere else has become so stagnant that it became relatively easy to break into the market and slam dunk most competitors. Just following what everyone else was doing would mean that SpaceX would have to compete with others on a more equal playing field.

>>12085650
These:
>>12085659
>>12085661

Also, because that'd be stupid of him.

>>12085661
What about to the retards at boing then?

>>12085689
they're broke, and as such cannot pay him any money

>>12085692
There’s no way they are broke, they take in billions from the gooberment. Are they actually?

>>12085696
sorry, all that money went to stockholder dividends and bonus for Dennis Muilenburg :^)

>>12085689
Any money that Boeing could reasonably offer would be less than the value SpaceX gets by being the sole provider of launches at their price point.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Why do single nozzle first stage rockets in KSP always lose control?

>>12085722
are they building a flame trench

>>12085689
>retards
Yes

>Boing!-made f9
>fails to ignite one engine at launch, another one shuts down mid-flight
>catches up and crashes into 2nd stage immediately after separation because it thought it's time for reentry burn already
>crashes into the ground at mach 1 because no fuel left for landing after excessive maneuvering
>"Oopsie woopsie we need another 2 years and $400 mil to make it work. Space is hard."