/sci/ - Science & Math

How fucked is oldspace?
SLS is a meme, Delta IV barely works, Omega is cancelled and Starliner has poocode

Venus Sample Return

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jkjgo0Cs_8

HULLO

I was sleeping, what's happening with the launch?

>>12063208
>One of the Sunday F9 boosters does a RTLS
>But there's no intent for it to land

>>12063249
Aborted after the engines started but before clamps released

>>12063278
wow they're fucked, huh

SpaceX confirmed that they are GO for the two launches on Sunday

>Two SpaceX launches
>Starship hop
>RocketLab launch

>>12063278
Any announced reason why?

NSF running a comfy pre-launch day show today
https://youtu.be/YZ1P1a7mS10

Some live views of Boca Chica

>>12063290
>Any announced reason why?
GSE systems error before they opened the LOX valves on the RS-68As.

>>12063208
lmao nice

>>12063220
That depends entirely on Vulcan. If Vulcan works, they've got a path forward for copying F9 some day. If Vulcan fails, oldspace as a whole is done.

>>12063289
Is RocketLab going to try a parachute catch on the booster?

Damn... when I was a kid, there was probably only about one rocket launch a month. Now there seems to be rockets going to space all the damn time: I guess it’s cool that we have a traffic jam. But fuck ULA

>>12063208
Apparently SAOCOM is still scheduled to go, so if all goes to schedule Spacex could have two F9 launches and a 150m hop the day after ULA embarrassed itself

Today in history:
>1831 – Michael Faraday discovers electromagnetic induction.
>1949 – Soviet atomic bomb project: The Soviet Union tests its first atomic bomb, known as First Lightning or Joe 1, at Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan.
>1965 – The Gemini V spacecraft returns to Earth, landing in the Atlantic Ocean.

>>12063335
Those posts are cool.

>>12063335
These posts are much appreciated

Is a magnetic accelerator in space or on earth feasible?

>>12063335
>The Soviet Union tests its first atomic bomb
Are there any good "oh shit, what have we done" quotes from the Soviet scientists after that first test, like with Trinity?

>>12063353
Well, what do you want it to do?

>>12063357
"cyкa блять"

>>12063321
Don't think so. I think they are focusing on returning to flight after their recent failure

>>12063345
>>12063349
Just curating them from the Wikipedia page.
>>12063357
"Now I am become Soviet scientist". But seriously, I haven't looked.

>>12063335
>>1949 – Soviet atomic bomb project: The Soviet Union tests its first atomic bomb, known as First Lightning or Joe 1, at Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan.
>Kazakhstan.
>"test"

Why is the Atlas V orange....ish? It doesn’t look like foam. What do you even call this color? Redbrownorange? The fuck is this made of?

>>12063439
Not foam, that's the metal enclosure of the rocket. You'll notice it turns white at the pad due to the ice forming around it

>>12063439
The brown/copper look is a chromate coating put on the metal tank to improve corrosion resistance. Apparently it is the same kind used on the Titan series of rockets.

>>12063462
holy shit the titan 34D looks so fucking kerbal

>>12063462
We could have had Titan IIIM launching Big G and MOL for a tiny fraction of a Shuttle mission but nooooo.

>>12063335
Appreciated

>>12063451
>>12063462
Ah okay thanks. Also yeah the Titan class was absolutely kino. It’s like the F14 Tomcat of rockets

Starship prototypes are not looking like they will be able to carry 100 people inside...

Hello french frens, I'm learning French.
What are some cool space/rocket forums or youtube channels (in french)?

>>12063488
Just stack 'em in there like cordwood.

>>12063488
These are model test rockets to work out the engine capabilities and other control logistics. They will scale up as they become more confident with the system.

>>12063496
non

>>12063496
Arianespace and ESA have french channels

>>12063470
>>12063471
>>12063481
Have another. The Titan looks like a mess, but in a very bare-bones function-over-form way.

>>12063488
They actually are and the sits won't be arranger like in a plane. You can put them on the "walls" and "ceiling".

Elon said in 2011 that SpaceX would do its first manned flight in 2014, it was done in 2020.

Following this logic, Mars by SpaceX will only happen no less than 2030 - 2032

>>12063508

I don't think making a passenger rocket into a tuna can is a good idea.

>>12063518
Why?

>>12063511
>NASA still sending a rover to pick up samples to send back to Earth
>Elon lands 100 people on Mars and asks NASA if they want any rocks on the way back
>Rover still collecting pebbles

>>12063506
What is that cute little red booster for? Is it just a fuel tank? It looks like someone accidentally put it there in the kerbal assembly building

>>12063518
why? we already have a bus, a train and an airplane

>>12063506
>"OK" crudely written all over the launch structure

>>12063518
Early passenger planes were essentially metal tubes. Starship may look plain on the outside but Elon will make it comfy on the inside.

>>12063488
Has Elon even discussed the interior layout yet?

>>12063529
I think the red tube is part of the launch infrastructure fueling system. It probably connects to multiple ports on the main rocket tank

>>12063538
The original BFR reveal had some interior designs for levels and compartments

>>12063538
Nope. We’ll probably see concept art and stuff in September (that’s when he usually holds his SpaceX update briefings)
>>12063535
“Yup looks good I guess”

>>12063529
Injection thrust control. The little tanks contain a strong oxidizer that is injected into the nozzle at certain points to generate uneven thrust. This is used to control the boosters. This method was common for military missiles back then because it was simpler than gimbaling the nozzle.

>>12063556
Oh shit. Bros why is the Titan such a cool rocket. I feel like it could launch in any weather, even high winds and lightning. It was an ICBM after all

>>12063535
>>12063555
NASA
>We must use carefully crafted fragile ceramic tiles for our advanced launch vehicle

USAF
>Just staple some trash bags around the interstage. Yeah, thats good enough.

>Lift-off
>*audible crickets*

>>12063579
Maintenance tasks in the military are done by enlisted dweebs. Simple is a virtue.

>>12063556
What book is this from?

>>12063579
How can we convince the Space Force to ask Lockheed Martin to continue the Titan family as a methalox lifter

>>12063590
that and they still manage to fuck dem up no matter how simple

>>12063593
>not propalox
I am dissapoint

>>12063592
This is the best I can find unfortunately.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19750061568

>>12063580
THE SOUND OF AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS GOING TO BURST.

How is no american fighting against ULA lobby?

They cost MORE than twice the price of SpaceX, yet they got 60% of USAF contracts.

>>12063607
The average American has no clue what's going with the US space program. A lot portion of the population thought NASA closed down once the space shuttles retired. It's the least concern for most people. The few like us that care don't have a relevant voice to Congress. 3000 Boeing employees are more important 100 random online users

>>12063593
Fun fact, the LR-87 on the Titan first stage does have derivatives that are fueled by kerolox, hydrolox, and hypergols. The hydrolox version (LR-87 LH2), went into competition against the J-2 for the Apollo program. While it lost, lessons learned from the design allowed for the development of the Aerojet M-1 rocket engine.

>>12063607
Yeah to add on to what >>12063616 said, the average american is retarded. I’m pretty sure a large portion of people in the 70’s didn’t even know about Apollo 12+... they just assumed we landed once and they lost interest after we got there the first time.

Elon Musk tried to sue against ULA and lost. I guess it’s a good thing though because it obviously pissed Elon off enough to make ITS/Starship

>>12063624
Kind of unrelated but... Still to this day cannot believe Aerojet Rocketdyne got btfo’d by Blue Origin for providing Vulcan engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNop2HoNrbY

bruh

>>12063598
>I tell ya what

>>12063627
>>12063616
The Average Twitter/normies user wasn't aware of the perseverance launch, and started shitting on the USA for being behind the UAE on Mars exploration, since that launch went viral
People even thought there were astronauts on the UAE probe

>>12063636
That's the one data point that makes me believe that Blue Origin might actually make a real rocket.

>>12063641
Any person born after 1993 can’t think. All they know is orange man bad, NASA expensive, F35 over budget, eat hot chip, and lie.

>>12063641
This is by design. Aside from the crew launches, MSM will do 0 coverage of anything space related. This can be anything from JPL news, NASA events, or Air Force launches. Many Americans sadly get all their news from the TV which barely ever covers anything space related. Can't have Americans being distracted by positive achievements or productive events.

PROVEN
HEAVY
LIFTER™

>>12063657
Between SpaceX barely using FH and DH having more issues, the whole "multiple boosters" design of a heavy launcher seems more cumbersome than it's worth to pull off. Better to just have one massive super heavy first stage

>>12063647
Yeah same here. Vulcan is presumably going to mainly lift VERY expensive and VERY important DoD satellites. The fact that ULA/the gooberment trusts their engines enough goes to show that they are actually doing something good

>>12063315
>they've got a path forward for copying F9 some day
>some day
Imagine being so far behind that your in-development rocket might, in a later version, eventually achieve a fraction of the reusability of a competing rocket that will be obsolete in less than 5 years.

Whats the estimated schedule for Sunday then? 2 launches and a Hop but what time.

>>12063676
SpaceX launches are at 12 PM EST and 7 PM EST. Not sure when the others are

>>12063208
At least the fireball portion worked.

>>12063638
It's a real shame that they're going to execute a black woman via Starliner next year

>>12063668
Falcon Heavy actually lost a bunch of its intended market due to improvements in later revisions of the Falcon 9. Now it's just a placeholder until Starship is ready.

>>12063226
>hullo
based

>>12063627
Honestly it was until a year or two ago that I even found out how many Apollo missions there were. I knew that 11 landed on moon, and I knew there was at least one more where we brought the buggy, but it never really registered that we made six successful landings until I actually researched it.

If you aren't in this world and you weren't alive at the time there's not really any good opportunity to learn about the scope of the American space programs. You see the "One small step for man" clip and that's about it.

What does PGO mean

>>12063668
FH works just fine, it's just that it's substantially more expensive than a F9 for only a moderate performance gain. In most instances it makes way more economic sense to redesign your payload to be lighter than pay 2-3x as much for a FH.

>>12063709
Interesting. No one in my family gives a shit about space, but even as a kid I was autistically obsessed with spaceflight. I knew all about the Apollo program mainly due to Wikipedia and space books my parents would buy me. One of them was signed by Alan Bean when I met him

>>12063676
Hop could be any time after about 9 AM central.
Road closure starts at 8 and I think hop/fire leadup takes about an hour after the pad is clear. It almost certainly won't actually happen at 9 though. With how these testing days usually go, they might fuel, abort for some reason, detank, and recycle 3-4 times before the actual test. Depends on how long it takes to address any issues that pop up.

>>12063647
BO has always had their shit together, their problem isn't being vaporware, it's that they never pull the curtains back and show what they're actually working on and how far along it really is.

New Glenn may be taking a while to develop but I have no doubt that when it does fly in 2022 or so that it's going to launch and land flawlessly on its first outing which will probably be the most impressive debut in US spaceflight since NASA trusted the Shuttle enough to fly it crewed on its first outing.

>>12063719
This is the only reason I can see Blue Origin MAYBE succeeding with Glenn. Even if it takes a million years to get here.

Starship is cool, but a lot of people will presumably only want to launch one satellite at a time. For example... If the US wants to launch a 10 ton top secret satellite to GEO why pay for starship when new glenn can do it too.

>>12063725
Amazon is the same way, nobody knows what's happening until launch day.

>>12063725
>NASA trusted the Shuttle enough to fly it crewed on its first outing
wtf for real? I had no idea.

>>12063593
Nah it needs to have a TPS-clad core stage that executes F9 style hypergolic flybacks and powered landings.

>>12063731
Rideshare bus kick stages. Companies aalready make smallsat ones for the Falcon 9.

>>12063720
I'm not gonna even claim to understand what kids are like nowadays, but as a space autist right before the internet got mainstream I would just rent books about the planets and shit from the library but that never really extended into the specifics of human spaceflight. I'd imagine that for even a lot of nerds the sci fi aspects of space are more compelling than the real world history.

It wasn't until Falcon Heavy and getting way deeper into KSP that I actually started to really dive deep on how to design proper rockets, which led to Hullo and the like and eventually learning more about how things got to where they are.

If you aren't from the US keep in mind that American public school sucks dick, the history programs are generally wildly lacking and at least in my experience most history classes end either at the 20th century or after WWII. You might get a part of one day where you learn about the Space Race as part of the Cold War, but chances are that that consisted of Sputnik and Apollo 11 and that's it.

>>12063735
Yes. The first Shuttle test flight was a 2 man team.

>>12063735
It can’t fly uncrewed

>>12063731
Starship is an entirely different beast. Once SS/SH is fully operational and tested it'll be an order of magnitude cheaper than anything New Glenn (or Falcon 9) can offer.

>>12063725
I'm just wondering why New Shepard hasn't done anything since they got it working. Why aren't they doing suborbital hops with paying passengers twice week? The launch costs can't be that high.

>>12063731
New Glenn's real advantage is that it's going to be able to one-shot an Orion/Starliner-sized capsule into lunar orbit. I'd bet money on that capsule being the part of the setup that BO ISN'T talking about.

I'd also bet that it's going to be like Crew Dragon in that the fuel tanks and the crew areas will be in a single vehicle that re-enters as a single unit and lands propulsively, and that New Shepherd is low-key a testbed for using cryogenic hydrolox in re-startable engines on a spacecraft that lands propulsively. If they pull that off, then they have something that can pull off an Apollo 8/Zond-style mission while only expending the 2nd stage.

>>12063744
Yeah we didn’t learn anything in middle school. And high school was literally WWII - Apollo 11 - 9/11. Our textbook had ONE PAGE on the apollo program. And yeah I had a library card but most of the books I read were more about black holes and planets, not actual spacecrafts. I think I found Hullo and KSP during middle school. Really increased my general knowledge

>>12063751
My guess is that it's low on their priority list, and they're more focused on projects like New Glenn. It just looks more important to us, because it's getting the most publicity.

>>12063751
See: >>12063757

It's obvious at this point that New Shepard is a testbed for something else that they aren't talking about and haven't revealed yet. The fact that it uses hydrolox is the key to this.

>>12063226
100m across satellite dish, I'm having a hard time imagining it

>>12063757
>>12063765
Wait woah, it can one shot into Lunar orbit? Is this something Starship CAN’T do?? What the fuck?

>>12063744
>If you aren't from the US keep in mind that American public school sucks dick, the history programs are generally wildly lacking and at least in my experience most history classes end either at the 20th century or after WWII.
Can confirm, and the poor history continues into college as well. Even had a professor share a conspiracy theory that WW1 was started so all the royal families of the involved nations (which also were all of the same family as well) can profit off of arms production.

Mega telescopes on the moon when?

>>12063772
>Even had a professor share a conspiracy theory that WW1 was started so all the royal families of the involved nations (which also were all of the same family as well) can profit off of arms production.

Could be true tho

>>12063772
Played battlefield 1. Can confirm this theory

>>12063769
>Is this something Starship CAN’T do??
IIRC, Starship has just enough propellant to get into LEO after the boost from Superheavy. Refueling is needed to go beyond LEO.

>>12063769
Other anon here. That could be correct, I think starship would have to refuel in orbit.

>>12063773
After JWST launches, so in 100-200 years

>>12063781
It can make it to GEO without refueling. But how is New Glenn able to make it? It’s smaller than SS

Fucking Boeing what do they even do

>>12063769
The /sfg/ suspicion is that New Armstrong was never meant as a standalone rocket, but as a reusable hydrolox manned third stage for New Glenn. That would be able to TLI, or more critically for O'Neill Cylinders get to L5, without refueling.

>>12063781
Yeah but with refuelling, imagine its payload capacity when reaching lunar orbit compared to anything launched by New Glenn.

>>12063784
If starship makes it really cheap we won't have to wait for nasa. Other agencies or even universities or private parties could do it.

>>12063773
When we design a virus that kills everyone over a certain melanin threshold

>>12063785
>But how is New Glenn able to make it? It’s smaller than SS
Don't underestimate hydrolox once it's in space. As much as the fuel is memed about here, specific impulse is king in a vacuum.

>>12063725
BO may have their "shit" sort of together, but I don't have belief that BE-4 is going to be a game-changer. It's much too big and way too low thrust.
Look at the size of this fucking thing.

>>12063794
wrong, specific impulse is king when you're trying to keep your vehicles light (which means the stage underneath them can be lighter as well)

>>12063792
and nose size

>>12063806
looks very cool

>>12063823
Yeah, but a TWR that's anything but impressive.

>>12063806
>but I don't have belief that BE-4 is going to be a game-changer. It's much too big and way too low thrust.
But it is running at a lower chamber pressure than the Raptor and should have fewer moving parts too. That might translate into making the engine much more reliable and safer during non-nominal operations.

>>12063806
Is there some kind of law that mandates big ass American flags in every construction building?

>>12063835
The attitudes of the people who work there usually suffice without a law.

>>12063835
I was just going to ask this hahah. I think it’s just a legacy thing. “Everyone else does it?”

>>12063831
Yeah, but it'll translate into Vulcan Centaur. A rocket that'll use two of them + fuckloads of GEM-63XL's to become the exact same shit as the rocket it replaces.
That's not progress, that's spinning your wheels and pretending you're going somewhere. Because you just switched out two engines for two other engines and strapped on even bigger helping solid boosters to get almost the exact same lift.

>>12063226
>they have to replace the spark plugs with every use
Isn't the whole point of a spark plug is that it can be used multiple times before replacement?

>>12063846
They know. They’re just trying to fuck over SpaceX

>>12063845
Even if it's spinning your wheels it's still necessary. Atlas is being retired because it uses RD-180s. The political situation flipped from "keep ex Soviet engineers employed" to "Russia is a threat again so get them out of our supply chain.'

>>12063845
Atlas V only used one engine, anon

>>12063506

>>12063769
Starship is designed to fly big shit to LEO as Space Shuttle 2.0 that flies as a TSTO instead of a 1.5 stage booster-sustainer. Unlike the Space Shuttle, Starship can be refuelled on-orbit and once fully fueled, has enough delta-V to fly a trans-martian injection, Martian orbital capture, and re-entry/propulsive landing. Once on Mars, Starship has enough delta-V to fly as an SSTO in Martian gravity and fly a return injection to Earth.

Starship actually sucks as a lunar launch vehicle or a GEO/Lagrange access vehicle. New Glenn, OTOH is overpowered AF for manned access to LEO but its 3-stage design is perfect for manned access to GEO, the Moon, and the Lagrange points.

>>12063787
What people don't understand is that being able to reach the Moon and the Lagrange points with a 7-passenger vehicle that only expends the second stage will be absolutely revolutionary. Apollo missions for the same price as a Crew Dragon launch.

>>12063867
Well, one dual chamber engine.

>>12063846
it's not a spark plug, it's a sparkler

>>12063870
yeah but Starship though

>>12063870
imagine the shit we could've gotten accomplished if we did orbital depots early

>launch to space
>have only the remaining fuel you launched with to do anything with
>instead of docking and fueling up 100% and going far out beyond Earth orbit

>>12063806
Raptor is the rocket engine equivalent of a BMW 3.0 liter inline 6 that uses direct injection, variable valve timing, and twin turbochargers to make 335hp. The BE-4 is the equivalent of a Chevy LS1 that makes slightly more power but does it with 5.7 liters and pushrods. They're different philosophies, but they're both absolutely valid.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/engines.php#reeq
>As a general rule, a mass ratio greater than 4 is not economical for a merchant cargo spacecraft
Anyone know where this is derived?

pic semi related

>>12063875
Three stages are a "must" for Lunar access and the Lagrange points though. My money is on New Armstrong leading to a Starship-sized vehicle that launches as the third stage on a recoverable New Glenn successor the size of NASA's old Nova designs and can put Starship-sized payloads onto the moon without the need for refueling flights. That means we can put construction equipment onto the moon and start mining and processing lunar regolith.

>>12063898
Not just construction equipment, but also mass drivers to deliver station parts to Lagrange points.

Why no Delta V?

>>12063915
Because they used hydrolox first stages.

>>12063835
They are proud of their courtly.
My little shithole in the eastern eu has already mandated a law that forbids the use of our flag in public places because it insulted out neighbor countries.
The politicians who voted for this law are not charged for treason.

>>12063927
>The politicians who voted for this law are not charged for treason
because the lawyers and judges are all Jews

>>12063931
nope just greedy traitors

>>12063911
I think we're a ways off from lunar mass drivers, but what I do think we'll see something along the lines of a 100 ton Blue Moon lander on steroids that gets fueled on ISRU hydrolox from lunar water ice and functions as a brutal, cargo-carrying [lunar] orbital space helicopter, like an IRL version of those cargo landers from interstellar.

>>12063898
Why are 3 stages a must and why starship ducks for the moon?

>>12063947
It's the 6000 m/s per stage delta V rule. Two stages are perfect for LEO, but lunar orbit takes more delta V than than you can realistically get from a 2-stage design. That's why Starship can't get to the moon without refueling in LEO.

>>12063955
Now, the cost of multiple refueling flights make sense when you're talking about sending a payload to Mars, but the extra fuel needed to get to the moon is such that the cost of a F9 style expendable 2nd stage is honestly less than the cost of all those refueling flights needed to make a Starship-style TSTO go to the moon and back.

>>12063921
Fucking based

So how are they going to cope?

You now remember the James Webb Space Telescope

>>12063984
JWST fuck my shit up senpai

>>12063987
Doubly so when Starship means that you can now YEET a constellation of flatpack 8m mirrors to form a kilometers-wide interferometer with no origami needed whatsoever.

>>12063607
We dont control our government.

>>12063996
that is a good thing but americans don't realize it

>>12063993
>suddenly the mirrors turn around to form a parabolic concentrator aimed at Mecca

So was Blue planning on building New Glenn all along, or was it only after SpaceX showed that Falcon Heavy was “real”? I thought they originally planned a Falcon 9 -sized vehicle

>>12064016
I think that was just their Commercial Crew proposal. They probably canned it once they lost. When you have Bezos money and no deadlines, there's no reason to think small.

>>12064016
No one knows exactly what New Glenn's design process is apart from the few snippets publicly released, but work for the rocket started in 2012 with it being described as "the first stage would do a powered vertical landing and be reusable". With the design of the BE-4 supposedly starting at 2011, it can be safe to say that the rough size and capability for New Glenn was already figured out by the time of the Falcon Heavy's first launch.

>>12064007
Not Really. Our government is pretty much rulled by oligarchs and their rich kids that dont really have a clue about ruling for the future. Whatever they want is not got for the nation or the people as a whole.

>>12063330
Yup, two F9 launches scheduled for tomorrow.

>Eats up all of your government contracts
>Absorbs all of your NASA funding
>Scrubs your launch constantly
honestly pretty based if I'm being honest desu

>>12063959
If you factor in cost/ton of payload, I'm pretty sure that a refueled Starship will still be considerably cheaper than anything with an expendable upper stage. Last I heard a Falcon upper stage alone was estimated to be somewhere in the $10 million range, so something destined for the moon would likely be at least 2-3x that. If Starship can hit its target of $2M per launch, that means that you can put up a Starship with 100 tons of cargo and refuel it for less than half the cost. Even if you go another series of flights to refuel it in lunar orbit, you'd still be looking at somewhere around the same price.

The cost savings of reusing the upper stage stack up absurdly quick, even more so when that upper stage can carry a shit ton of payload.

>>12064072
To clarify I mean that you can launch the payload starship, and then do the 5 or 6 refueling flights and it'll still be about half the cost of the expendable upper stage.

Also that upper stage cost is using SpaceX tier costs, who knows how much BO is spending to build their rockets considering how incestuous they are with old space. I wouldn't be all that shocked if their moon transfer vehicle cost $50M+.

So does anyone know how much Starship’s build cost is? Raptor is $2 Million apiece and there’s 37 of them so that’s $74 Million. It uses 300 tons of steel total which is $1 Million with the $3/kg number Elon gave us.

>>12064106
No and we won't know until we know how many man hours go into making one, how much electronics cost for one etc etc.
We will never really know, just like with F9.
The only thing you can do is make educated guesses on raw materials like you did.

>>12063993
>One starship takes the parts for a gigantic telescope up to L2, and leaves them there
>Another starship brings a team of engineers out to the parts bundle and they assemble it in space like a piece of IKEA furniture

>>12063835
I think it's in the constitution, somewhere...

>>12063927
>My little shithole in the eastern eu has already mandated a law that forbids the use of our flag in public places because it insulted out neighbor countries.
oh wow some heads would roll over here if that ever happened. Not that it could.. I hope

>>12064106
Elon's said that they can get the raptor down to 200k, so you can get all of them for about the cost of a single BE-4.

>>12063488
shit the fuck out. starship will be able to store up to 100,000 people (in liquified form)

>>12064185
>Dehydrated form

So is there 2 launches tomorrow AND a hop, or 1 launch and a hop?

>>12063278
CLAMPED

>>12064197
As scheduled there should be two F9 launches and 1 Starship hop. Wouldn't be surprised if the hop gets pushed back though

>>12063881
DID SOMEONE SAY DEPOTS

>>12063511
>>12063528
To be fair, that was a flight with NASA astronauts. As you know, NASA has much, much stricter restrictions then SpaceX on safety, so it really isn't fair to compare the two.
>>12063518
Even with 100 people 1000 m/3 of volume won't be a "tuna can". It'd be overboard for mars missions, but not for LEO or even moon transportation.

>>12063641
How could you be so retarded to think there were astronauts on the UAE probe, or that they are even remotely close to being "ahead" of america in terms of mars exploration?

>>12064247
Normies are incredibly stupid.

>>12063731
> For example... If the US wants to launch a 10 ton top secret satellite to GEO why pay for starship when new glenn can do it too.
Because the starship will likely have under 100$/kg to LEO, potentially even under 15$/kg to LEO by the early 2030s.

>>12064247
People here were even shitting on the US for scrubbing Demo 2 so it’s super common

Is blue origin going to have any professional astronauts for sub orbital?

SpaceX won't launch any of their rockets tomorrow :)

>>12063208
>them cricket noises after the abort
my fucking sides..

>>12063498
No, the SN series are full size tankage, just missing the nose.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1299839516065234944
4 legs on super heavy

>>12063627
Apollo 13 was barely noticed until it went wrong.

>>12064407
3 vaganias

>>12064433
Four vaginas; its radially symmetrical.

>>12064464
Just imagine

>>12064407
>Booster design has shifted to four legs with a wider stance (to avoid engine plume impingement in vacuum), rather than six
>WIDER STANCE
MANSTANCE

>>12064496
MUSKSTANCE

Uuuuuuuuhhhhhmmmmm........ hello?

>>12063506
im sorry, why are their a bunch of tiny models of the titan next to it, that is cracking me up

>don't talk to me or my 15 sons ever again

>>12064509

>>12064521
Probably a launch counter. Paint one after every successful mission
>>12064523
He’s just standing there bringing prices down to $15/kg... MENACINGLY

>>12063731
once starship is available sattelite designs will become heavier to utilize the extra capacity. If Elon isn't BS-ing with his $2mil per launch figure starship may also be cheaper than new glenn from the get-go

>>12064521
talk about forcing a meme. . .

Why was there never a delta 5? The Delta 2 will always have a special place in my heart

Damn I missed the ULA launch yesterday.

>>12064612
lmao

>>12064612
what launch?

>>12064192
>not posting a cuboctahedron

>>12063357
The soviets got the bomb as early as they did, because of Jewish traitors.

>>12063898
you can not put Starship sized payloads on the moon in a single launch with a Nova class rocket
Starship is already Nova class

>>12063222
unironically doable if you can deliver an Electron and its launch support infrastructure to the upper cloud layer and rockoon it there with Starship

>>12063275

>>12064663
>Starship is already Nova class

Lol, no.

And yes, that's a booster-sustainer with a 50' diameter core stage and 4 strap-on AJ-260s.

>>12064696
when people say Nova they typically mean the C-8, anon

>>12064696
And here are Martin Marietta's equally crazy designs for Nova series rockets:

>>12063719
Fh puts 3 times the mass to leo.

>>12064698
The C-8 was to the Nova family as the Saturn C-1 was to the Saturn V. The real Nova designs would have absolutely been able to send a fully loaded Starship into TLI.

>>12064707
the C-8 was the largest vehicle that they were actually thinking about building, but they never had to because of LOR enabling them to get away with only the C-5

>>12063719
>FH is substantially more expensive than a F9 for only a moderate performance gain
It's more than twice the performance of facon 9, for only 30-50 million the price, which falls in line with it's performance gain
The only reason it doesn't fly much is due to it's retarded fearing :( should have had a double payload fairing to kill Ariane

>>12064700
And here are the Douglas concepts:

what the fuck are they building

>>12064717
A robust full stack pad.

>>12064710
The C8 was a retarded American N-1. NASA died in 1964 when they spat in Von Braun's face and cancelled the REAL Nova development that could have had men on Mars before 1980.

>>12064720
I'm going to robust your balls if you don't quit screwing around
what's the REAL answer

>>12064717
Looks like a watertower

>>12064723
REAL answer your mom

>>12064723
The first orbital launch pad for Starship. Since Starship won't fly to orbit without a Superheavy booster, it'll be launching the full stack.

>>12064717
It's a giant version of an LC-34-style "concrete stool" launchpad, only this one is going to look like a bigger, beefier version of SpaceX's Falcon 9 test stand at McGregor.

>>12064723
a water tower

>>12064721
This man is based

>>12064677
i wish we did more balloon science on Venus, unmanned but extensive long term balloon outposts that last as long as the rovers on Mars, collecting, sampling, recording everything in the air at multiple layers of atmosphere

Tomorrow's busy.

2 x Falcon 9 launches
1 x HOP

>>12064748
>2 x Falcon 9 launches
[doubt]

>>12064747
I believe there was a mechanical computer lander concept that made it through a few trials at NASA, but it ultimately lost out to a gay mission to Jupiter’s trojan asteroids.

>>12064748
more like 2x cancelled launches and a star hop explosion fail. SpaceX should just leave it to the big boys (boeing, northrop etc)

>>12063717
80%

>>12064748
SAOCOM1B looks like its flying with it being vertical now.

Starlink will be ~10 hrs after SAOCOM1B

>>12064811
So are both Falcons and the Delta out on the pads now?

>>12064824
I think there’s some dumb rule where you aren’t allowed to even set up on a pad close by if there’s a top secret payload waiting to launch

>>12064824
Delta is being repaired for damages. So probably yeah, but we won't know due to classified.

>>12064717

>>12064830
Top Secret is no joke. They'd have separate spaceports for classified payloads and only allow cleared operators to enter if they could hire enough people to operate them.

>Imagine risk your life for dream of an autistic man
Fuck SpaceX
Fuck Elon Musk
Fuck Mars

>>12064912
This is regular Iron Worker shit. They're an independent contractor, and this is business as usual for them.

>>12064912
Weak bait lol

>>12064912
>imagine sitting in front of a desk typing away at strangers until sleep overtakes you and you do it all over again tomorrow with no real goal in mind beyond 'eat, shit, maybe fap, sleep again'.

If for some reason they couldn't use Boca for Starship launches, could they use (((Vandenberg)))?

>>12064930
Not without launching directly over the populated parts of southern California... so they should absolutely do it.

>>12064717
Nerve gas

>>12064930
And be forced to pay $20M per launch charge? LMAO

>>12064912
God damn, the high bay is a big boy

>>12064984
Imagine a stacked Super Heavy in that thing. The high bay finally helps me appreciate its scale.

>>12064989
I only just realized it was lurking in the background of this >>12064717
The thing is huge

>have to wake up in 8 hours just to maybe see the launch
should i do it?

>>12064424
So like, when SpaceX launches the first dummy starship into orbit, and finishes making the most powerful rocket in history, who will be the first massive government contractor to come out and say how "it's actually not impressive and an unnecessary use of resources"?

>>12065022
Boeing

>>12065021
My thread will be waiting for you

>>12065066
Big

>>12065097
>>12065066
I wonder if they'll have a Superheavy stacked by October for Starship Day

>>12065097
was the neopork pun intended ?

first spacex flight launches
2nd one doesnt
hop launches

>>12064747
Would pressure vessels per your image even be required?

>>12065149
you probably want to keep sulphuric acid away from your electronics

>>12065149
>>12065155
because the image is a concept for a human outpost on venus

>>12064747
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAP

See you in the morning bright and early bros :)

>>12065022
Nice image

>>12065112
That’s actually a good question. AFAIK, friday was the first time Elon ever introduced the pigs. This guy doing the renders has been doing it under “neopork” for a long time now, so I think it’s just a lucky coincidence

>>12065097
How many and which engines are supposed to gimbal if they're so close to each other? I've seen so many renders of the engine cluster I have no idea which is actually going to be used at this point.

>>12064933
If starship crashed, it would be like the second N1 launch all over again.

Soon?

>>12065022
Based image

>>12065185
the seven in the middle are supposed to gimbal
I think Neopork has them doing that as a unit, which won't give them roll control

why are aeroshells objectively the most pleasing shapes in existence bros

>>12064603
that meme is 100% dead but it just popped into my head

>Early TPS designs for the Space Shuttle called for a hot-metal TPS based upon a nickel superalloy (dubbed René 41) and titanium shingles.[41] This Shuttle TPS concept was rejected, because it was believed a silica tile-based TPS would involve lower development and manufacturing costs.
uhhh

>>12064696
>>12064700
>>12064715
>all that mad ambition unfulfilled,a lifetime watching the industry stagnate and wither, the dreams of planetary colonization sacrificed at the altar of political expediency

Zubrin is ex-Martin Marietta,the last few decades must have felt like a surreal nightmare for him until recently.

>>12065237
They're rocket parts shaped like tits.

>>12065242
the tiles are borderline miracles of material science, but the implementation was by all accounts a hideous nightmare of constant complex maintenance and fragility.

>>12064919
The fap usually becomes part of the sleeping routine. Sometimes you hwve hour long edging sessions.

who the FUCK ever thought using the shuttle as a primary launch vehicle was a good idea in ANY way

>>12065276
it was a good idea before NASA chickened out and made a bad shuttle instead of a good shuttle

>>12065276
Nixon, the Airforce, and Congress
Also NASA not being able to make their TSTO shuttle instead, which would basically be a 1970s starship
They decided to go with Rockwell, because "they handled the Apollo 13 disaster very well" and "the design was more realistic, cheaper, and easier to refurbish and maintain" resulting in a safe vehicle that only killed 14 people and only cost 1 billion per launch ;^)

>>12065242
>>12065256
>"Tiles often fell off and caused much of the delay in the launch of STS-1, the first shuttle mission, which was originally scheduled for 1979 but did not occur until April 1981. NASA was unused to lengthy delays in its programs, and was under great pressure from the government and military to launch soon."
>"In March 1979 it moved the incomplete Columbia, with 7,800 of the 31,000 tiles missing, from the Rockwell International plant in Palmdale, California to Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Beyond creating the appearance of progress in the program, NASA hoped that the tiling could be finished while the rest of the orbiter was prepared."
>"This was a mistake; some of the Rockwell tilers disliked Florida and soon returned to California, and the Orbiter Processing Facility was not designed for manufacturing and was too small for its 400 workers."
>"Each tile used cement that required 16 hours to cure. After the tile was affixed to the cement, a jack held it in place for another 16 hours. In March 1979 it took each worker 40 hours to install one tile; by using young, efficient college students during the summer the pace sped up to 1.8 tiles per worker per week."
>"Thousands of tiles failed stress tests and had to be replaced. By fall NASA realized that the speed of tiling would determine the launch date. The tiles were so problematic that officials would have switched to any other thermal protection method, but none other existed."

>have to fly 7 (SEVEN) people in an exploding hydrolox deathtrap every single fucking time you want to launch some shitty satellite
b r o

>>12065276
>>12065297
It was intended to be only a small component of a larger project. You would go to orbit in the shuttle, then a nuclear tug would take you to the moon or a space station.

>>12065308
you can get away with three if you need to EVA or two if you don't

>>12065276
>>12065303
What really killed everything was Vietnam.

bros'
will starships have cool names for each ship, like Atlantis, Challenger (Two) , Columbia and etc?

>>12065339
no, only mission starships will get names
maybe only manned Starships

>>12065339
No, the entire goal of Starship is to make space access so cheap and mundane it feels like naming a mass produced airliner.

>>12065348
Should really be like specific train lines of the 1930s.

>>12065348
>>12065343
Spaceships = Spaceboats

I miss her guys

>>12065378
Just imagine what could have been.

>>12065388
>just strap 20 million zenits on ur first stage bro

>>12065378
>>12065388
imagine the smell (of her feet)!

>>12065304
>1.8 tiles per week per worker

I wonder how the workshift went.

>>12065339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp13ztMhwGU

>>12063882
That comparison kind of falls down because raptor absolutely mogs be-4 on price

>>12063735
Shittle couldn't be flown without people.
Buran could though.

>>12065418
>16-hour long coffee break

VGH...

>>12065399
Don't see what could go wrong, least its not like the UR-700 with crossfed hypergolics.

>>12065304
>The tiles were so problematic that officials would have switched to any other thermal protection method, but none other existed."

Aka; other methods absolutely existed but our contractors weren't interested in offering them since they could charge someone out for a full working week for every single tile.

>>12065453
That's why oldspace hates Elon so much. Once he shows the public what sort of price levels are possible they lose those excuses forever.

launches when
hops when

>>12065465
today

>>12065466
when

JAXA doing manned missions when?

JAXA meme shuttle when?

>>12065470
>>12065472
I believe making anime real may be a prerequisite technology.

>>12065304
How the fuck could it possibly take 40 hours per tile, I'm a tradie and I cannot see how it could take more than 30 minutes per tile to lay it out, apply the bedding and set it in, even to the most exacting degree of accuracy. What a fucking rort, these cunts are laughing their way to the bank as reddit claps like trained seals for the latest I fucking love science toy car mission.

>>12065478
Super fancy cost plus adhesive, and super tight tolerances for each of the 40 thousand unique, custom tiles

JAXA starship when?

>>12065480
RIP the objectively superior Buran system which had better tiles, could land itself unmanned, and the launch vehicle it used could be utilized independently of the space plane

>>12065483
Gundams when?

MMX when

>>12065480
Fancy adhesives doesn't change the time required, and the tolerances needed shouldn't take 40 hours by any stretch of imagination. I could lay down any tile with any achievable tolerances you want in easily less than an hour and I suspect all these tiles were precut, preplanned and a grid already laid out on the hull for you to follow, so there was no real thought involved to their application. Absolutely disgusting.

>>12065486
https://fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/mtgs/symposia/2020/program/193/
maybe soon
jap wiki says it was supposed to go through selection decision in 2019, but I can't find anything more recent about it in my 2 minutes of googling

>>12065185
neither does spacex

>>12065066
i expect this full stack in q1 2021

Starship won't be finished at the earliest, by 2028-2030 FYI

>>12065467
in the afternoon

>finish building rocket
>pick it up to save as subassembly
>accidentally click on edge of screen instead of menu and it drops it 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999km away from origin in the vab
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARASARDFSDFASAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12065552
ctrl-z

>>12065573
doesnt do shit in this situation

>>12065505
orbit next year

>>12064717

>>12065584
>not building a flame retroreflector to bounce the exhaust back off the starship for more thrust
bruh...

>>12065584
Isn't that going to shatter after one launch?

>>12065628
The steel blades take brunt of the force.

Starlink launch scrubbed?

>>12065348
>naming a mass produced airliner.
Some are

>>12065478
They were also fragile as fuck, sort of like >>12064642 only worse
And every one of them was a unique snowflake because oldspace can't into making parts identical. Imagine having to lay 40000 unique bricks perfectly, upside-down, in a specific layout with no gaps and no mortar between them, and it takes a whole day for them to set. Just finding the next brick can be a lot of work.

>>12065418
>"Yeah, we put one tile in, now let's sit and watch it dry for 2 8 hours shifts"
>"Who brought a deck of cards?"

SLS new autistic younger brother launching when?

we still on for 4 launches today or what?

Soon

Security has arrived

Does the old 45th website for launch weather etc resolve for others? Doesn't even resolve on my end anymore since they became "space wing" and everything still points to www.patrick.af.mil

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1300037857793290243
>ULA weather machine is the only thing working for them
Mandatory:
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12065791
Well fuck.

40% chance of SAOCOM scrub too, so we can fucking forget that one too.

>>12065820
Sorry, make that 40% of launch.

stop fucking scrubbing shit damn

They've executed a generator.

>>12065834
Was it showing communist tendencies?

pluto sample return when?

Hop when

Road closed.

>>12065868
However long it takes for Orion drives to become kosher because that's the only way we'll ever manage the delta-V needed to pull off a Pluto sample return mission.

venus sample return when

>>12065949
When we run out of lens caps.

Today in history:
>1871 – Ernest Rutherford, New Zealand-English physicist and chemist, Nobel Prize laureate, is born (died 1937).
>1931 – Jack Swigert, American pilot and astronaut is born (died 1982).
>1984 – STS-41-D: The Space Shuttle Discovery takes off on its maiden voyage.
>2004 – Fred Lawrence Whipple, American astronomer and academic died (born 1906).

Is crossfeeding propellants still a viable and/or worthwhile technology?

>>12066021
Nobody has managed to make it work.

>>12066028
I have.
Screencap this.

>>12065022
Edgy

>>12063882
>>12065436
Its a decent comparison if you understand cars and not so much rockets. You are right though, the price difference is laughable.
The only positive thing I can see coming from the BE-4 is the stop of reliance on Russian motors. But I'm not sure what the pricing difference will be. I can see BE pulling an "Old Space" move and charging more for their BE-4 than what we were paying Russia.

>>12065791
>https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1300037857793290243
Why does this shit keep happening? Wasn't Falcon supposed to be able to take off in a hurricane or was that Starship?

>boeing scrubs
>memeing everywhere
>spacex scrubs
>dead silence
hmm...

>>12066083
Not great but starship is much more interesting.

>>12066083
>Why does this shit keep happening? Wasn't Falcon supposed to be able to take off in a hurricane or was that Starship?

That was Starship.

>>12066021
But could you have a fully resuable super heavy lifter in the form of Vulkan or UR-700 that used crossfed propellants? Given that they can both lift over 150 tonnes (the Atomic variant 750t), the technology seems interesting if you don't want to have a shit-ton of engines in your booster stage.

>>12066089
BOING didn't scrub because of the weather but because of malfunctioning.

Pad cleared

We must as a nation commit to, before this decade is out, once and for all defeat the menace known as 'weather'

>>12066095
Your period is finally over? happy for you.

>>12065436
>>12066082

Yeah, when you factor in price, Raptor is like the 400hp 3.5 liter all-aluminum twin-turbo DOHC direct Ecoboost V6 in a $35,000 Ford Explorer while BE-4 is like the 500hp cast-iron 7 liter pushrod V8 in a $350,000 Bentley Mulsanne.

>planning on colonizing mars, an inhospitable warzone of a planet 34 million miles from earth
>cant launch rockets on earth in slightly bad weather
yeah, I dont think this semen slurping """"hobby""""" is for me lads.

>>12066093
Replied to the wrong post, meant >>12066028

>>12066109
Earth has real weather. Mars has, what, some dust? At near-vacuum pressure?

>>12066111
Make it work in real life then. Fluid dynamics is not quite as forgiving as sticking a straw on a tank.

>>12066109
k bye

>>12066021
The easiest way for crossflow tank feeding is to use hypergolics since they're such simple fluids, but since hypergolics are such a big no-no now, you'll probably never see a proper crossfeed rocket.

>>12066109
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out faggot

You now remember the Artemis Program /sfg/

>>12063835
Something about government contracts.
You don't see those flags at apple or google.

>>12066149
Oh boy, now that was a crazy meme.
>SLS
>flying
>multiple missions for a decade or more
Oh man.
But I think we can all move on and have a good laugh about it now.

What time is the hop expected to occur?

>>12066173
hour or so after saocom launch i think

Anyone else watching this?

Possible hop today; pad is clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M

>>12066211
Except for those two idiots

>>12066217
those are the human sacrifices

>>12066217
>>12066222
They expect two of us in the wreckage brother

>>12065354
FLYING BOAT SSTO SPACE PLANE.

>>12066217
>>12066193
Those must be the ULA snipers

>>12065971
Based

>>12066021
No

>>12066109
Lol

>>12066238
lol

>>12063831
>That might translate into making the engine much more reliable and safer during non-nominal operations.
So far BE4 is not working and Raptors are flying and breaking records of chamber pressure

>>12064747
Looks like a drum kit

>>12066226
kek

>>12065304
>1.8 tiles per week
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOWWW

Starlink scrub due to bad weather. 60% chance the other launch is scrubbed today as well.

>>12066294
FUCKING ULA WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU LET THEM LAUNCH EARLIER

>>12065490
There was real though Anon, it was "hmm, I wonder how I can convince the US government to rape their taxpayer's wallets even more for my benefit?"

>>12066294
SpaceX cancelling launches yet again, biting off more than it can chew. I give it, maybe 6 years until they file for bankruptcy? Should've left it to the heavy hitters who are proven

>>12066332
>SpaceX cancelling launches yet again, biting off more than it can chew. I give it, maybe 6 years until they file for bankruptcy? Should've left it to the heavy hitters who are proven

>>12066332
>SpaceX can't control the weather, how can they ever recover?
gr8b8m8 ir8 8/8

>>12066332
>can't launch because ULA retards with their shitty rocket pop fuses and leak hydraulics
>it's somehow their fault

>>12066332
Every launch provider cancels due to bad weather, what are you talking about?

>>12065584
The tallest crane they have can't put both starship and superheavy stacked on that platform while on the ground?

In how many hours could we expect a hop?

>>12066355
like 8 hours from now

I actually want to FUCK a Starship

>>12066363

>>12066355
>A ULA van broke down near Boca Chica when its spark plugs stopped working. Due to the classified nature of the sandwiches inside the van, SpaceX is not allowed to launch their Starship until the van has left the premises. Replacement of the spark plugs is expected to occur at a rate of 1.8 plugs per worker per week.
Never ever.

>>12066366
lmao

>>12066363
I see /b/ is reporting in

You guys think Starship drivers will use Neurolink to control it?

>>12066375
Starship will control the pilots.

SN6 pads are cleared. It will probably take ~1h before it hops.

Fucking mexican niggers, the hop is going to be delayed because of them

>>12066375
The pilots' minds will be uploaded into the Starships. Their old organic bodies will be recycled.

>>12066375
it won't have pilots

>>12066363

Border Patrol caught the spics according to Lab

>>12066408
TOSS 'EM BACK OVER

>>12066402
things are happening too fast.

Also someone know when exactly is the hop ?

>>12065304
>"Hey guys, the X-33 project may have been a failure, but it developed some really nice tiles. We should use these on the STS to cut down on refurbishment time and co-"
>Nah

>>12066393
The people on board who monitor the systems and make sure everything is nominal will essentially be pilots.

>>12066393
That's an easy way to get your transport hacked and pirated.

>>12066408
Elon is keeping starship prototypes in cages

>>12066463
lol, dude real life is not sci-fi action movies

>>12066444
You mean on the trip to mars? More like a machinist or ship captain than a pilot.
To the moon and URF orbit's it could be controlled from URF and have just an emergency override system. Whoever controls the emergency system would, again, be more akin to a train machinist.
>>12066463
1. Literally air gaped system;
2. That's already how it is done.

>>12066482
>You mean on the trip to mars? More like a machinist or ship captain than a pilot.
so yeah, pilot's basically, you can really call it whatever the fuck you want. You do realize that most pilot's of jetliners and whatnot barely need to actually "pilot" the aircraft, yeah? It's just a term to describe the person in charge of the vessel. Besides, the original comment said driver, not pilot, so you're just being semantic.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/elon-musks-spacex-nasa-contracts-threatened-over-tesla-china-ties

>“What is there to stop them from going to Musk directly and saying, 'We'll call your line of credit early, unless you give us X, Y, or Z?'” said a congressional Republican aide involved in negotiations over the comprehensive legislation governing the space agency. “And, there's no real clarity that there's any kind of mechanism that would stop that other than good behavior by an individual.”

Oh my god this is inexcusable. This guy is saying that there is nothing to stop Musk from doing this...except EVERY ITAR LAW! Tesla has billions in cash reserves now, they could pay off that stupid Chinese loan with ease. This is pathetic shit from oldspace.

>>12066482
>1. Literally air gaped system;
>2. That's already how it is done.
Doesn't an air gap system still require a human operator to physically move information from the unsecured side to the secure side?

>>12066498
The point is that there is no need for a neuralink, it would be equivalent to controlling it from your phone. You can do it if you want or you can't just use the large screen.

>>12066505
Nothing is going to happen because Elon was smart enough to not buy into the ShitLib mindset and was able to appease a lot of republicans.

Once again, however, I am ashamed by fellow conservatives .

>Hey anon I'm building a starship so we can all go to Mars!
Oh cool Elon, thanks bud
>And here's a chip for your brain so you can interface with-
No thanks just make the spaceship please

>>12066510
The operator can just decide on their own too.
In that case the information would be instructions received through radio or video call, so the fact that it is autopilot'ed is doesn't put it at more risk than if there were a guy holding the stick all the time.

>>12066515
both parties do really stupid shit in regards to space to be fair

>>12066512
hypothetically, wouldn't it be advantageous in the future to have neuralink, or any brainchip, have the capability to override the controls of the ship so you can control it in case of an emergency? that way you don't need to spend resources on making a physical control system.

>>12066521
this

>>12066532
I don't think so. A touch screen with a GUI doesn't really add to the cost of the flight computer.
I would be like controlling it from your phone, you can do it if you want but it is not needed.

Thinking about it more carefully, you probably would prefer to be in front of the control panel at all times, and have the control panel locked in a separate room, like in a air plane.
Someone could steal the phone or hijack one of the pilots. There would likely be a time interval between the hijacking and when the other pilot notices it and shuts off the wireless interface.
Having any kind of ship control communication through wireless sounds like asking for trouble. Now I think phone and neuralink are bad ideas.