/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12015145
Do you love concrete? I sure love concrete. Concrete is pretty great. I love concrete. Spend all day researching concrete. I aggle aggregate. Concrete is awesome. I masturbate to large concrete structures. I love concrete.

>>12015145
Get into hydrology, soils, and GIS stuff. It’s easy money. Don’t fall for the vertical construction meme.

>>12015145
Civil here. Not necessarily a washout program, but you do get a lot of EE majors that couldn't hack it. The math requirements at my university were pretty much the same as the EE program, so it must have been the labs or actual course work.
As far as pay goes, you wont make too much in the civil field as a project engineer. You make the real money as a PE running calcs for drawings. Being able to approve a slab thickness or a steel members size will make you the big bucks.

>>12015159
PE here. This is true.

>$100/ billing hour
>10 hour minimum
>takes me 20 minutes

This shit is a racket.

>>12015154
>It’s easy money
how much money are we talking here?

>>12015159
>As far as pay goes, you wont make too much in the civil field as a project engineer. You make the real money as a PE running calcs for drawings.
How about some engineer working in CAD versus the field? Never been huge about the field but CAD and drawings seem cool

>>12015170
I mean, it’s standard engineering money. It’s just easy because you aren’t stomping around a shit ass job site babysitting contractors for 50 hours a week. You work in a nice comfy lab or do shit from home.

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>>12015177
I was a structural steel detailer. Basically you make a 3d model of the steel in a building, come up with connections and member sizes, then take the 3D model and make 2D cad sheeta out of it. Modeling is fun but only 25 percent of your day. After you have the shop sheets for fab, and the erection ssheets, you send them off to the engineer and architecture peeps for approval. You get the drawinga back and make changs accordingly.
Its not all bad, especially if you go out on your own like I did. As an independent contractor, you just do bids on jobs as you like. You have to know what youre doing though, and be ready for stress. For a one man show, 40 hours a wwk could get you 70 or 80k if you know what to look for. My partner and i made 110k our thrid year into it. Punjab competiton is starting to hurt though.

Civil engineering is for wash ups. Usually you can tell what’s for wash ups and what’s not for wash ups by how quickly a field evolves. Civil engineering is probably the slowest of all the engineering fields in how it changes. Mechanical is also very very slow to change. Compare that to electrical computer and other shit which evolves really quickly. It’s brainlet tier shit.

>>12015153
My civil engineering professor was like this.

>>12015239
Then what is a developing field like Biomedical engineering?

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>>12015245
Biomedical is like Aerospace. Cyborg/robot autism is almost as strong as space autism. If you aren’t obsessing over the material and willing to work for peanuts because you LOVE the subject matter. Don’t bother.

>>12015245
It develops as fasts as other bio shit I’d imagine, but I’m not that more familiar with the speed as which it develops. It’s kind of funny if you teleported a civil engineer from 40 years ago to now he’d still be useful. Teleport and electrical engineer from 40 years ago to now he would be basically next to useless unless he basically learns a bunch of shit.

>>12015177
Steel detailer here again to actually answer your question. Field engies will make anywhere between 45 and 60k depending on what youre doing and where. Commercial construction tends to pay a bit less than industrial stuff. Fieldies genrally do bitch work like pulling dims or writing RFIs. The same goes for CAD. Cad monkeys make 30 to 50, and they really dont get much better. You start out cleaning sheets up, and you never stop. Boomers in the field are terrible and refuse to evolve.
I will say, going the CAD route will allow you to become a chad 1099 contractor after 3 or 4 years.

>>12015239
yeah lol this industry seems pretty shit ngl

>>12015255
Fair enough, that is how I actually feel about it.

>>12015239
As in Indians bidding on the work from India?

>>12015268
so what’s the best option to make ~$70k plus out of school, if there is one?

>>12015928
Be one of those project engineers who live out of a hotel for 300 days out of the year. You’ll know the position I’m talking about when you interview for it. It’s fun if you’re young and nogf.

>>12015145
A lot of people who go into civil/structural engineering had their father in the construction trades, or they like working in the housing/construction industry. The politics in a structural engineering office can be pretty interesting, dealing with architects, developers, and contractors - and tons of big mistakes happening all the time keeps it exciting. You can make a lot of money if you start your own firm, but you got to be in it for the long run. My engineering office routinely made 2-3x my salary on my work, and sometimes a lot more on jobs they lucratively bid - now imagine getting paid those full wages and having 5 engineers under you in your wage pyramid. But as far as I'm aware there's like 2x as many degrees as jobs out there, and a lot of people switch out of the field within 5 years to some construction related job usually. The young engineer salaries do not really match the level of stress and responsibility - meeting project deadlines, code requirements, safety requirements, and cost efficiency. And a lot of people in civil engineering dream of being a struc eng, but they switch out after a few years to get an easier job. There's also a bit of a conspiracy that the industry colludes to keep wages low - because usually in each city all the partners of structural engineering firms know eachother and are friends.

>>12015154
Not necessarily true on the soils thing. Did geotechnical work for a while. It fucking sucks, especially if you're in consulting. Got out of it and slid into environmental/hydrology work. Way easier and more lax.

>>12015145
Don't do engineering. Do math. Get a statistics degree or math degree with an emphasis in statistics. That is how you will make it. If you really want to get far in the world, get a PhD in statistics. You can get work anywhere you want. Half thinking of going back to school at some point to do statistics and get out of engineering work.

>>12017241
>emphasis in statistics
how about industrial engineering? also stats and stuff I believe.

>>12017241
>Do math or stats instead of physics.
Retard. You're worth jack shit if all you have is a B.S. in math. You're better off majoring in engineering and getting a PhD in math.

>>12015153
mass timber is going to come and beat you concreteniggers out

t. wood science major

>>12015239
Dumbest shit I've heard.
Mechanical is the most dynamic by far. Electrical hasn't changed since fucking who knows when.

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>>12015145
>be meche
>see the civies walking in a group with hi-vis vests and school color hardhats
ngl I was jelly

>>12016413
This my cousin is an CE and his father (uncle) is an architect with his own firm in a major city. The nepotism is unreal in the industry. Hell even my female cousin who has a masters in dance theory makes more than me by being an assistant to one of the C-class executives.

>>12019864
>The hufflepuff of engineering
What houses are the other engineers?

>>12020054
yah, but she's way better at sucking his dick than you'd ever be

just want to point out there are 6000+ architect potentials per year & 100 PE Structural Building. YET the PE Structurals can't call themselves architect, though the architect knows NOTHING about engineering. I'm gonna fix this shit, for myself, for you, for all of society

>>12019796
>wood science major
lol tf is that, are you a... tradie?

>>12019842
electrical still got those $$$ though

>>12020014
>making more money than a CE as a MechE
it’s gonna be all ok, anon

>>12019796
>timberfags and concretefags will be BTFO by genetic engineering

>>12021748
No. I'm literally in a BSc program for wood science at a top 50 worldwide university.

>>12021777
>brazilians will genetically engineered into apartment buildings by 2050
civil engineers on suicide watch

>>12023751
What is your favorite type of wood and why?

>>12023751
Is it a for-profit uni?

This seems like as good a place as any to ask; is "physics engineering" a dumb meme degree? I was thinking about going into civil engineering because materials science makes my cock hard, but maybe physics engineering is a bit more broad? I know what you actually got your degree in doesn't really matter that much, but I don't want to gimp myself by going with a narrow degree or a dumb degree that nobody wants.

>>12023936
Western red cedar by far. It smells nice, is resistant to decay, resists warping, and is very durable. More of a decorative wood tho because of it's high cost.

>>12023942
Public research uni

Anywhere know where to find a pdf of the 2nd edition of "Groundwater and Wells" by Driscoll? Been looking but can only find the crappy, cut-down 3rd edition.

>>12023970
btw the textbook for one of my courses was literally the identifying wood meme book

>>12015239
>mechanical is also very very slow to change
Imagine unironically believing this.

>>12017241
Agree on the geotechnical work being shit. You start in the field and all you do is lug equipment around all day and fight with contractors while your work ignores your calls for help. Yes, I'm bitter about it. Office work doesn't look much better as the new PE's seem to just get dumped on. If you can make principal that's where the real money is. It just takes like 10-15 years.

>>12019796
Hopefully they figured out the fuckups from the delamination problems they were having a few years ago with CLT. It would be great to actually put to use all the timber accumulating in the western unitied states instead of letting it burn to the ground like portions of it do every year. How do you fireproof the panels? I know fire departments across the USA had larger reservations about building such tall wooden structures. A highrise in NY and one in Portland were shelved due to such concerns.

>>12023763
GE fags btfo by the coming skynet apocalypse brought to you by ML majors. One day i will make my waifus real and that day will be the beginning of the end.

>>12015255
>robot autism
I heard my name, whats up

>>12023970
Doug fir master tree race

>>12019796
>wooden skyscrapers

>>12025678
It's not the beams that burn, it's usually all the stuff inside (furniture, flooring, drywall etc). Large mass timber beams are actually very resistant to burning, because of charting protecting the wood from burning, and because of this, it holds structural strength under intense heat better than steel (I wrote a paper on this, no I won't doxx myself). I guess get people to stop making furniture out of wood or using drywall or some other shit? Also fire suppression systems work. God, public opinion that "wOoD bUrNs" makes me want to shove a fork through my eyeball sometimes.

>>12027198
Any city with an urban planning department that doesn't suck the concrete and steel industries dicks and block mass timber highrise construction under the bullshit guise of "fire safety" will be full of them in 30 years.

>>12028217
Meant charring, not charting

>>12015159
>Civil here. Not necessarily a washout program, but you do get a lot of EE majors that couldn't hack it.
This is the good thing about going to an aggie school - once someone washes out of the engineering college, they are done.
Either have to pick a whole new major or fall down to "engineering technology" majors.

>>12015257
Im pretty sure you are an undergrad with an opinion like that. The electrical engineers of the past had a very good understanding of electricity that modern engineers aren't forced to develop due to CAD making things easier.

What work can I get a mech fag in the civil related industry?

>>12028279
steer him elsewhere

>>12020081
>Mech Engineer
Hufflepuff
>Electrical engineer
Slytherin
>Civil engineer
Griffindor
>Chemical engineer
Whats the 4th house again?

>>12028279
WELDMENTS

>>12028217
Yeah fire suppression systems have basically put firemen out of the job. Now they make them do EMT shit to keep them employed. I'm sure the glue can be made fire resistant as well which would help a lot. They should build a scale mockup and burn it to try and convince cities and fire departments that it's the real deal. It would be an amazing industry to have in the US.

>>12015145
Europoor Structural Engineer in Steel Construction Here , our field is pretty comfy and pay very well cause nobody know the Eurocode.

>>12031606
they literally did burn a mockup, and the building stood longer than the steel building. Too lazy to look where it is now, but, again, charring effect.

For the glue thing, I'm taking wood glue chemistry next sem, I'll let you know.

>>12031606
Also, concrete industry is already in coping mode lmao

https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn/news/projects/2020/02/does-mass-timber-have-too-much-hype-in-north-america

>>12015255
Do BS biomeds even do design work? Every biomed major I’ve known has just been an actually smart pre-med that just wants to be a doctor.

I have a masters in civil engineering. Now I work with databases because there is a lot more money in it.

>>12032648
>databases
what is this about

>>12032648
do you mean datacenters?

>>12034297
Of course I don't mean datacenters.

>>12034113
Databases. SQL, create reports and that sort of thing, you know. Computers

>>12018806
Goodluck doing a PhD in math with an engineering degree.

>>12015145
\sci engineers really only care about money eh?

>>12020081
>>12030265
Incorrect, it's actually
>Mech Engineer
Hufflepuff
>Electrical engineer
Ravenclaw
>Civil engineer
Griffindor
>Chemical engineer
Slytherin

Chem eng is literally just 'evil' applications with big oil and pharma, and EE requires too much fucking smarts compared to the others.

>>12015154
Water resources is the chad civil engineering specialization.

>>12034715
That is what I studied. Few jobs in it and tons of people who know it. There is a reason why I work with databases instead.

>>12034790
I haven’t graduated yet, but here in Canada it seems like there are plenty of opportunities in water/environmental. You can live a very comfortable lifestyle if you live in a rural area with a municipal government salary.

>>12034702
>EE requires too much fucking smarts compared to the others.
Get out and don't come back. EE is 99% Revit these days, that's why they love it so much. Connects everything and populated schedules for them. Meanwhile we mechanicals get EVERY complaint about things costing too much, so we dumb down the design, and guess what, it's the FIRST thing they complain about. I'm salty.

>>12034796
I did work for a while in a municipal water department as an intern. It is pretty comfortable.

>>12019796
Based. Fuck concretefags, engineered timber is the future. Would love to design better tree species to farm for this as well.
T. Biomedical engineering major

>>12032601
yes, some of them do. I know a couple who want to do design. One worked at a 3D bioprinter company. Another studies during daytime, and works at night time as a designer for a Singaporean engineering/manufacturing firm. He designed motor gearboxes on his free time back in high school, and is working on his own exoskeleton project.

>>12023970
just name your fricken uni, you coward.

>>12034702
>oil and pharma are evil
Based redditor

>>12035061
Did any of your colleagues go into oil & gas?

>>12035095
I don't care if you guys find out, but my program is very small and it could be tracked to me. I'm already on thin ice for some comments I made, so I'm p close to getting cancelled.

>>12034603
>Databases. SQL, create reports and that sort of thing, you know. Computers
ah interesting
do you have a skills profile/roadmap for this? I've been looking for a Data Science certification or something related, I'm better with data than with people

>>12034625
That's what I was wondering about

>>12035827
>Wood niggas out here wildin' hard, getting chastised by "the man"
>Concrete negroes fading into obscurit
pretty based ngl

>>12035099
Not him, but
Pharmaceutical companies buy government patents on novel molecules at a "fair price", shit out 10 studies, pick the best, slice them up further to make them look even better, use them to get FDA approval, and sell them back to us as exorbitant prices.
And suddenly we're all paying an arm and a leg for drugs that don't really work better than placebo.
Shit's pretty fucking evil.
Look up "The Truth About Drug Companies" by Marcia Angell. It's a bit dated, but the core concepts are still the same. The Bayh-Dole act, for example still stands as a cornerstone of their business strategy.

>>12015145
>Is this just like an engineering washout choice?
I "washed out" of civil engineering after graduation and did work for an aerospace and mechanical company.

>>12035827
SUNY ESF student detected

>>12035302
I'm Norwegian, we already have tons of oil and gas engineers. If anything oil and gas engineers is the reason why you can't find a job doing any sort of water engineering here. I might as well have studied sociology, the only math I do is statistics.

>>12037260
I had to google what that was. Fuck the East, I'd rather kill myself than live on that side of the continent.

I'll give you a hint: It's not American.

>>12035084
Unfortunately, farming trees is really only viable near the equator. Growth cycles in the north are literally 10-20x longer than those of trees near the equator. Although there is a difference in the ratio of mature and juvenile wood between trees of the two geographical regions (which affects specific strength), it's not substantial. Either way, specific strength isn't even the main issue with wood building materials; it's variability (which is minimized by engineered wood products such as CLT).

The reason logging in the northern hemisphere is viable is because of the massive amount of forested land in comparison to forests near the equator. Canada and Russia are fucking massive and full of forests, and it's cheap to cut trees on a lot of it because most of it is owned by the federal government and the stumpage fees are rather low (at least in Canada, I'm not very well versed in the Russian forestry industry unfortunately). There's actually lawsuits going on because a lot of US companies are saying the Canadian government lets forestry companies harvest from crown land for too low of a stumpage fee, therefore they can't compete, since logging on private land in the US is usually more expensive, and Canadian logging companies are usually larger companies that have economies of scale on their side as well. In fact, Canadian forestry conglomerates are buying up a lot of private land in the states as an investment. Japanese forestry conglomerates are doing the same but with New Zealand (Sumitomo Forestry is the most important here, they're fucking massive).

Sorry for going off on a tirade but I love this industry. I'm a full-blown wood autist.

>>12018806
from my experience (in germany)
math > mech eng. > PhD physics money wise
>have two PhD physics friends
>starting salaries around 40k€ ish
>fiancee is doing math M.s, can expect 65k starting
>I'm a B.Eng. mech eng and started a bit over 50k€
results might vary around the world

>>12036004
The truly innovative and lifesaving pharma drugs/medical devices are developed for orphan diseases, which is why the average person never sees them.

>civil engineering, a career that requires at least 4 years hands on experience under a sponsor plus a through exam, is for washouts

OP CEs make $200k/yr just to approve kitchen remodels. It's enough of a draw to get tradesmen back into school, to the point where many Union agreements cover CE classroom work.

>>12038538
thank you ent anon

>>12039213
concrete cope

>>12028250
What do you think of the recent move by the ASEE ( the assoc. for engie faculty) recently demanding that "engineering" technology grads have the same opportunities for jobs and PE licensing as the real engineering graduates?

>>12040259
I could maybe see that happening if they increased the experience requirement to like 8 years or something for tech grads. Techs learn basic engineering fundamentals, no calculus, lots of CAD and surveying. It would be an uphill battle to pass the FE and then PE, but not impossible.

The licensing board is actually trying to transition to PE applicants having a master's degree because they want that sweet, sweet prestige and higher paychecks like CMA's etc. Also would be a scam for universities to siphon more money out of CE grads. Most PE's these days are just glorified managers and do little to no design so it would "elevate" the field or whatever spin BS they come up with. Current grads would be grandfathered in, but they were talking about doing it when I did my undergrad in like 2014 so I imagine they are further along unless they abandoned the idea.

>>12038554
How fucked am I with a CS degree from a university in Germany(just started)?

>>12040953
If they transition to requiring a master's degree, Wouldn't it make more sense to treat the BS degree holders the same and require the same four years of experience for both engineering and engineering technology? I mean any discrepancy between the two would get ironed out in grad school or else admissions will filter tech degree holders out entirely.

>>12041064
Universities currently require bachelor degrees for anyone applying to a master's program. I've heard of people getting in with degrees other than CE, like geophysics or forestry, but never anyone with a tech degree. I doubt that that's likely to change.

>>12041120
There are tech programs that award bachelor's degrees. What I am asking is should a state that requires a masters degree in order to hold a PE continue to treat the holders of bachelors degrees in engineering technology any different from holders of bachelors degrees in engineering, when it would seem the attainment of a masters degree in engineering would be an equalizer between them. No doubt, university grad school admissions would take care of any "discrepancies" in the education of a holder of a BSET degree, either by assigning extra course work or rejecting him outright.

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>>12015170
Should I do mechanical if I'm an undeclared freshman with absolutely no plan for life and starting to consider joining the military

>>12041183
If you want to be an engineer, but not sure what type, yes. MechE is the easiest discipline to switch from.

>>12040967
from what i know your're well off if you specialize in a field that isnt outsourcable, mainly security systems. Big data analysis is very demanded too but i think thats more of a math-graduate job.

>>12041970
>security systems
DING DING DING. Pajeets can’t get security clearances.

Is civil engineering really a good choice with the way the country is fucked up now? A lot of construction projects are getting cancelled. Electrical seems like the safest bet for the future

>>12042313
>electrical
yes and no
on one hand it sure is the future, on the other hand many students rush towards it now and companies train their existing engineers towards electric when projects shift in that direction.

>>12042313
Have you used a road or sidewalk recently? Have you taken a shower or bath recently? Have you flushed a toilet recently? Have you entered a building recently? Have you used a staircase recently? Civil engineers will always be in demand.

>>12015145
>am Environmental Engineer in 2020
> forgotten

>>12042259
>>12041970
Thanks anons, I'll look into it.

What career path should I take in order to have a job that's in demand in multiple countries? I'm thinking CS since it seems like the easiest to find freelance work and you can work from home so travelling shouldn't halt the work.

>>12042443
If you saw the amount of projects that have been cancelled in my city you would rethink that

>>12043640
Maybe you should look for projects outside of your city.

>>12043651
I would never leave NYC the pay is too good

i really want to be an aerospace engineer and design planes bros what are my chances? i heard its super competitive

>>12042619
yesssssssss

>>12041174
Know how I can tell you grew up with participation trophies?

>>12042482
I just switched from civil engineering majoring in environmental to an environmental science degree on its own.
I want to do restoration ecology, was this a good choice? Main reason was I dont want to live in the city.

>>12045833
Actually main reason was pic related

>>12045833
If you know what you want to do go for it, you're way ahead of 90% of people