/sci/ - Science & Math

FOCK URF AN' FOCK BOING

To clarify: the ones who benefit from the dismantling of NASA's programs are not human beings. They only look enough like them to cause confusion.

FUCK BOING!

>>12039640
Oy vey delet this.

>>12039640
Yikes, stop being so antisemitic >:(((((

FUCK THUNDERF00T

>>12039637
Boing Oompa-Loompas VS SpaceX pad ninjas

Welcome to the 21## Solar Grand Rally. Here we will see the roughest toughest rally rovers race across the system; from the tight corridors of Grime's Gap on Mars, to the high jumps of Cernan Track on Luna, to the climatic Route Loki on Io, and everything in between! Let's take a look at our intrepid rallyers!

Racers! State your,
Racing name:
Theme song:
Sponsor(s):

>>12039672
Doom
Doom
Doom

>>12039672
I wonder if racing on the Moon would be a good idea. There are lots of people who are into racing so the races could be generating revenue. We could also use the races to help improve Lunar ground vehicle technology.

>>12039672
Name: Aatu
Theme Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuN5je98Uog
Sponsors: Gorbatchov "always the cheapest vodka"

>>12039672
>Name:
Sir William Franklin Bradbury-Stevenson II of Winchester
>Theme Song:
All Star by Smash Mouth
>Sponsors:
Mane&Tail horse shampoo

>>12039676
I think the first versions of space racing would be with remote control rovers, but as long as it doesn't end up with stale rules then I can see it becoming popular.

>>12039672
Name: big dig jones
theme song: Manowar number 1
Sponsors: Phobos Mining Guild.

>>12039676
How would the moon's gravity impact racing if there were actual humans inside the vehicles? Like how fast can they go and how sharp can they turn as opposed to racing on earth?

Launch stand or water tower?

>>12039705
It's too small to be a launch tower and there's plumbing in the middle so it's a water tower

>>12039705
Looks like a spaceship to me

>>12039640
Ceresrael when?

Fuel farm is venting

>>12039708
There is no plumbing in the middle. The bracing pipe terminates into a solid slab of reinforced concrete that we can conclusively say has zero piping of any kind underneath it thanks to a surplus of aerial photography during all phases of construction.

>>12039705
spaceport control tower

NASASpaceflight stream is so _soy

>>12039699
From my experience from haphazardly driving Munar rovers in KSP, I expect alot of flipping.

>>12039705
it's the casting frame for the engine bell of gigaraptor

>>12039737
Disable torque anon, makes it easier. You can re-enable if you flip and need the torque to turn back over.

Pipe has come lose, something is leaking

>>12039743
>gigaraptor
>not t-rex

>>12039726
right i forgot that all the plumbing is on the ground for easy access. No pipes underground

>>12039735
Why are so commentators men?

>>12039748
>heh, nothing personnel, Elon

>>12039626
>>12039631
It was on the "economical" topic. The development cost was too big for them. They've reduced the cost a lot now but I wonder how much they would make without the US government basically handing them billions in contract.
Aside what I heard didn't make Starlink that lucrative. At least it wouldn't if they couldn't reuse rocket for LEO.

>>12039753
I dont mind being men I mind them acting like children with a straight face.

>>12039735
They get around a thousand dollars every stream and it's still just as amateurish as always

Which stream are you on?
Todays NSF commentary is terrible

>load stream
>buffering
>two seconds of video
>buffering
>two more seconds of video
>buffering
Starlink please save me

>>12039767
>US government basically handing them billions in contract
It was only $1.6B. Which is alot, and SpaceX desperately needed that at the time, but it's not some ludicrous amount compared to other aerospace projects.

link stream bros im too braindead from bat soup to find it my self

>>12039775
Lab Padre, but muted.

>>12039781
I love how "insiders" are getting 11mbps and how its a bad thing.
I pay $25/month and get barely stable 5mbps and i cant wait for this shit.

>>12039785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjXEZqBqFa8

>>12039775
their commentary is always terrible

>>12039787
this

>>12039793
thanks fren

>>12039790
My service sometimes just shuts off in the middle of the night, for 'servicing'. It's okay to turn off the internet access you're selling to people if you just assume they're asleep when you do it. I mean what kind of weird loser would be up at 2am trying to watch stuff on the internet right? Haha

>>12039808
yeah haha

Holy moly, commentary on all three streams are terrible.
Das on NSF was much more exciting

>>12039827
Yeah, it's been pretty bad lately, a lot of stupid questions on NSF and Labpadre. The only good thing about NSF is that their stream has less delay than Lab but the constant jerking off about how they are so weird and quirky for watching a tank in the middle of nowhere is terrible.

>>12039827
>>12039837
>watching cams that have commentary

Sapphire cam wins again.

>engine chill

>>12039705
Ive never heard of a water tower built out of reinforced concrete

It's detanking :<

>>12039866
top venting

SN6 venting

>>12039672
>the tight corridors of Grime's Gap on Mars
Elon, please don't name major geological features on Mars after your gf's pussy.


>>12038587
>fucking soon
>giant chrome rockets launching off of semitropical beaches with purple exhaust while tourists watch from powerboats
Don't forget the private security with Hawaiian shirts and 10mm pistols, or the on site mission crew with augmented reality mirrorshades monitoring telemetry

>>12039882
Looks more like they are regulating the pressure

>>12039886
>Olympus Mons? Nah, lets rename that to "Little Elon"

It's over, isn't it.

Starship is cancelled.

S H I N D E I R U

Guess I'm a Boeing chad now

>>12039672
ROAD TRAIN
ROAD TRAIN
SATAN
AAAAAAAA
https://youtu.be/7Ee0y_OAQ4o

>Breaking news: Treaty of Mars signed today
>Territory of Olympus Mons will be in control of 4ASS while the province of Valles Marineris is controlled by SpaceX
>Utopia Planitia will be a co-development zone until a terraforming accident causes the province to flood as the treaty stipulated

Theory:
NASA is sabotaging SLS themselves in the hope they are finally asked and paid to develop NEW technologies instead of reusing the same stuff.

How can we test this?

>>12039968
Right now, the alternative to SLS is fully-commercial launchers rather than innovative in-house solutions. If it were cancelled today, NASA would put out an RFP to develop two super-heavy lifters, one of which would inevitably be Starship and the other would be a new design by either ULA or BO.

>>12039968
Ask Big Jim if any proposed SLS based system would be cost competitive with private rockets for fixed-price-per-ton lunar cargo delivery contracts.

>>12039968
call up jim and ask him if he'll pay you to take a trip down to stennis with a rifle

STARSHIPS

WE'RE

MEANT

TO

FLYYYYYYY

What kind of testing is being done today? Just pressure testing?

>>12039951
what's the point in cheering on the old way that'll always be expensive as fuck and won't innovate?

>>12039997
>we're

>>12039997
Based Nicki Minaj poster

take the FLAG DECALS pill bros

>>12040006
maybe we were the Starships all along

>>12040001
They're testing how many retards will watch a water tower do nothing for eight hours.

>>12040010
>12000m/s dV
how far away do you think israel is

>>12040022
not far enough

>>12040010
Like so?

what should I name my jap spacex knockoff bros

>>12039990
At this point I hope NASA would surrender chemical launchers to the private sector and focus on on-orbit spacecraft. It's where their expertise counts most.
>hydrologs :DDDD chemical or LH2 nuclear
>being a government agency so they can develop nuclear thermal or nuclear electric without DoE having autistic seizures
>pouring more money into developing ion drives, microwave electrothermal, and other non chemical low thrust systems
>spaceborne concentrated solar
>beamed laser power
>(if the Nebraska results are repeatable) 100kWe/10MWe scale generation and storage for use with emdrives
There's no need for NASA to work on chemical boosters ever again when Starship exists. At most they'd have the right to build their own if SpaceX ever goes under.

>>12040042
NERV

>>12040041
This vehicle is an abomination against Allah, delet it immediately.

>>12039672
>Manéo Jung-Espinoza
>Highway Star
>Mega Milk Calcium Supplements

>>12040042
do it like one of those mega conglomerates that own everything in japan

so like, Toshiba Space Industries

>>12040041
>solid boosters on second stage
why.jpg

>>12040075
It's 2 terriers, but it would be incredibly based to have TWO SRBs as the second stage

>>12040051
unfathomably based

>>12040051
THE *NERV* ON THESE JAPS FOR COPYING SHIT

The landing zone seems to be a little windy

>>12039842
Chad knows

>>12040130
>>12040145
Those are some spooky ass winds, where the fuc are you landing Anon?

>>12040145
but doesn't the x mark the predicted landing spot anyways?

>>12040148
Laythe, but some shit has gone down since the last time.

>>12040150
theoretically but trajectories is kinda fuckin janky, especially with low angle reentries you wont get an accurate prediction until youre almost in free fall

>>12039640

>>12040042
Dai-Uchuu Heavy Industries

>>12040110
welp my bad, it's been a while since I played KSP

>>12040042
Chinese Space Agency 2

>>12040042
宇宙で汗をかくウィーブー

>I want to get back into KSP with realism overhaul and all the thousands of mods I had installed before
>I lost my installation with all the mods in it
fugg

>>12040240
Just use CKAN, it keeps all the mods you used to have installed in memory.

How is /sfg/ preparing to colonize Mars? Saving up money? Getting a job in the trades?

>>12040253
Irradiating myself to give me immunity from solar storms.

>>12040253
Was gonna get my pilots license anyways. If I dont ever use it to fly spaceships to mars like Jimmy neutron then I'll just go be a bush pilot in Alaska.

>>12040247
CKAN was in the directory that is now gone

I think it got ripped in pepperoni in my last hard drive crash (when I reverted from Windows 10 to Windows 7)

>>12040272
>flying Starship
It's automated, there are no pilots.

>>12040253
stock market, make 500K in just a week.

>>12040292
how

>>12040291
>It's automated
You can pretty much say the same thing about most jets, they still have pilots

>>12040292
Stop trolling.

t. /biz/

>>12040297
Go with the flow of the market. Whatever is hot, go buy it.

>>12040253
Saving up money and learning field geology

>>12040240
I really hope KSP2 does a better job of not breaking mods every update, or at least the modders do a better job of staying updated.
Sucks having to wait a year or more for essential mods to be updated. Speaking of which it's a crime that mods like editor extensions or rcs build aid aren't stock features by now.

>>12040333
For what possible purpose is the alarm clock not a stock element, we've had it for years.

pad clear

>>12040333
>>12040347
IIRC, adding fanmade content into a game can be a legal headache, even if the addition was merely inspired by the fan creation rather than a straightforward addition, because then that fan can sue the company for royalties. It's the same reason why writers refuse to read fanfiction related to their works.

>>12040354
The Kethane mod existing didn't seem to stop stock ore-mining from becoming a thing, but I guess I get your point.

Holy shit it's beautiful

>>12040308
This is bad advice.
>buying something that's on the climb
You're the type of person seasoned investors love dumping their holdings on.

>>12040377
Looks flat

>>12040383
Seasoned investors lose money as a result. If something is climbing, they'll climb til they reach the top. If they start slipping, you just have to put set a sell order.

These are all automated, so you have nothing to lose unless you're behind the curve.

Geting ready for another vent session.

>>12039660
>oompa loompa doopity doo
>I just puked all over J. Crew
>oompa loopa doopity dum
>I should not have butt-chugged that rum

>what do you get when you guzzle down booze?
>hangovers, sadness, your job you could lose
>Wonka will not be happy with me
>please officer, just leeet meeee peee
>oompa loompa doopity dee
>if you are wise then don't be like me
>please mr. cop let me go, it's a cinch
>I just need to sleep this off on a bench

>>12040434
They restarted? I thought I'm going to miss everything.

>>12040458
Yep

>>12040253
Getting into control systems and AI as a focus for my applied math degree.

At some point in the future SpaceX should look into either purchasing or designing a mega-sized dishing press to create single-piece bulkheads, instead of having to weld them together out of pizza slices of steel.

>>12039672
>Mariner Valley Hoe Show
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7VK3pne8N4
>Hololive

>>12040354
>>12040358
i don't know much about this area of law, but i'm skeptical when it comes to software, which can only be used and modified according to the EULA, which i'm sure has a stipulation that any mods you create are the property of the publisher

>>12040501
Pic related, but it would have to be like twice as large.

Elon manes Teslas play elevator music. As the low speed warning sound. So he could give the feds the finger.

What can he do with SpaceX ?

IS IT
HAPPENINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>12040501
I don't know about the bulkheads but Elon said that they wanted to make the rings larger but they were limited by the machinery that they currently have in Boca Chica

>>12040517
>IS IT
>HOPPENINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>12040507
Faccin' hell m8 that's a big press

LITTLE TOOTS

Vent you fucking bitch vent

>>12040507
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Press_Program

I THINK I'M GOING TO VOOOOOOOOONT

ETA bros?

>>12040501
>>12040507
It's much cheaper and easier to source smaller sheets of high quality material and weld them together.
The gains of using a single sheet for the task don't really seem worth the added logistics.

>>12040501
>>12040507
It would have to be multiple times bigger than any press in existence. Tesla cannot even press the stainless steel for their Cybertruck and it's much thinner than what is used for Starship.

>>12040546
15-30 min prob

>>12040504
based and senchou pilled

IT'S GONNA
OH FUCK ITS
IT'S TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESTING

>SN6 getting pulled over

T-10 min

>>12040507
It’s a cool idea to have a few mega presses that directly stamp starship pieces, and only require like 7 welds total. I think the problem is, this would be way too expensive for 9m diameter... imagine having to upgrade for 18+m diameter

>>12040527
kek m8

T-3 min

>>12040041
prostrat: put the fairings on your terrier nosecones on decouplers so that you can ditch them when you get out of the atmosphere

It's over SpaceX bros

FIRE THE FUCKING ENGINE

The cameras are so fucking glitchy.

What was that noise

Looks like an abort or failure to ignite

BRAAAAAAAAAP

ABORT
B
O
R
T

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM ABORTINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Here’s your “10 launches a day, can launch at any time” rocket, bros

Is that a plane you can hear?

Just being able to see spacex screw up gives me hope for the future

>>12040629
No.

>>12040626
I fucking hate being a spacefag so god damn much

>>12040631
The fuck was it then?

>>12040626
lol it's literally a prototype

>>12040633
>mfw none of my friends or family know what Starship is, and are complete normies who will obsess over it only once it starts flying and making the rounds on reddit

kek elon is gonna be pissed about the spin valve thing

>>12040635
Don't shatter their bubble, let them live in the comfort of denial for a bit more.

SpaceX:
>Error
>Error
>Broken part
>Delay delay delay
>cheap parts, not sure if its going to blow up in LEO
>borderline slave labor
vs
Boeing:
>Precise, well earned track record
>expensive parts, top of the line
>better funding than SpaceX
>Know what you're getting, no fear of destruction during launch
>it just works bro
>very little delay

>>12040634
ULA kamikaze drone being intercepted by Zues' mounted AA rockets, usual stuff.

>>12040354
Every game that is open for modding has you give rights to everything you do to the game to the creators.

>>12040635
Cope harder, Starship is the best thing to happen to NASA. Starship will fail and make SLS look better, and they will close the Artemis slot of starship and retroactively give Boeing a cost-plus bid for a lander

>>12040643
yeah but at the end of the day SpaceX's software works and Boeing's doesn't

Fuck ULA and OldSpace.

>>12040638
>tfw they get to be totally oblivious to their development
>while we have to suffer over multiple years of delayed static fires to see it built fully
idk im sure ill look back and love these moments but fuck me does it suck sometimes

>>12040643
>very little delay

>>12040643
Starliner still hasn't had a succesful flight

The sound of progress is rarely an appetizing noise

>mfw ULA can't even code a clock properly

Abort again.. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12040652
ODST dreamchaser pilots preparing to board Starliner

>>12040643
based boeingchad

FUCKING
ABORT
MY
ASSHOLE

>>12040649
lol okay buddy,betting against the musk will work this time

>>12040661
Don't blame ULA for Boeing's fuckups. The launch vehicle performed perfectly.

Starliner is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage, again. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis, again. We’ve sent it into orbit. You can’t just scale down a shuttle and call it a Dreamchaser. It’s not that easy in rocketry.

>>12040643
Give this true AMERICAN PATRIOT a job at Boeing

2007, 2016, 2018, 2020.... I am forgotten...

>>12040691
If this blew up I'd laugh for a million years

>>12040643
Remember when the Perserverence launch got delayed multiple times and almost missed its window for another 2 years?

Boing yes.

>>12040695
Or even better, it could fail to fully deploy

>>12040699

>>12040691
JWST

>>12040701
Elon would send a Starship to fix it.

i wonder if elon gonna chastise the engineers over the spin valve like he did with the bad thrust puck

>>12040702
SlowpokeLaunchSystem.jpg

>>12040738
imagine the smell

>>12040733
What would be worse: getting fired from spacex by some robot manager.... or keeping your job but getting yelled at directly from Elon who tells you that you have singlehandedly fucked everything up and ruined valuable time for everyone else at the company

>>12040738

>>12040738
Attempt number 3, coming up

>>12040738

>>12040751
The former.

>>12040751
Keep my job, don't make the same mistake again, and make Muskdaddy proud

>>12040577
These presses *only* cost around half a million to a million five a piece, the big 5000 ton jobs I've seen reach working area diameters of up to 7m. It probably wouldn't actually be a huge leap to design one to work a 9m plate, and with 5000 tons of press strength I don't think Starship steel plate thicknesses would be much of an issue.
Obviously that is more up-front cost for a first time purchase than to hire a team of ten welders to just slap triangles of steel together into a dome and trim it to the correct dimensions, but there are significant benefits. There's only a handfull of points for weld failure, the join where it meets the tank body, and the welds where plumbing has to penetrate the dome itself. On the composite domes there are many more failure points.
I'd imagine a heavy tonnage dish press could get the job done faster too, which is important for the goal of churning out Starships quickly. Homogeneous cold-worked steel is better quality too, for no additional material cost over hot-welded steel.
For giant 18m domes I actually think supersonic metal deposition PROOOOOONTing might be the answer, as opposed to any kind of multi-part welding. Supersonic deposition printing is extraordinarily fast, on par with or slightly faster than normal machining procedures, requires no washing or heat treating afterwards, and yields parts of comparable strength and material properties to a conventional cold-worked parts.
Downside is that they do require low-pressure environments, you might not have to build a proper vacuum chamber to work one, but you would have to build some kind of huge 18m stage which is air tight and at least mostly evacuated of air.

>>12040771
Hmmmm I don’t think I will be able to buy into the prooonting meme for another decade at least. The tech has got to be better.
But I do agree with the 9m stamp. He could build like, 5 giant presses and give them interchangeable molds. Stamp out a few pieces and weld them together with robots.

Reaching orbit with Dad booster and kid booster

>>12040781
Are you winning?

lets roll boys

>>12040797
ye

>>12040811
Why does your rocket have a bulge in the middle?

>>12040819
fuel tanks, probably

>>12040819
fuel is stored in the bulge :-)))))))))

Does everyone from yorkshire sound like their mouth is full of peanut butter when they speak?

>>12040823

>>12040825
because they're all busy eating STAAAAH BAAAAAHS which contain peanut butter

>>12040836
Lmao why do they sound like they’re also from Boston

>>12040856
A Boston accent is closer to what a 1700s British accent sounded like than a modern London accent is. The cockney stuff in the 1800s was a huge shift.

>>12040856
just a heavy English accent innit

>>12040867
You're an idiot.

reminder that britain lost it's self respect, empire, space program, navy and testicles after scrapping the warspite

>>12040867
I thought that was the general US “southern accent” (especially the appalachia region) that was close to original english accents

>>12040901
No, that's actually the most unique one that developed entirely after the Civil War.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8208

>>12039640
Boeing confirmed for little grey men in robot suits.

>>12040704
I’m conflicted with regards to JWST.
On the one hand, I want to see it get RUD’d on the pad for the lulz. On the other hand, I want it to deliver as intended.

kektus
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-asked-to-please-stop-making-pew-pew-noises-throughout-space-force-strategy-meeting

>>12040933
Finally a man who represents ME.

>>12040691
Is that thing even cutting edge anymore? Would it be better to scrap and start again?

>>12040811
How do I get Gravity Turn to stop slamming the rocket sideways at ~40km and tearing off the fairing?

>>12040933
Mega BASED

>>12040917
I love this format

>>12040959
I generally start a 5-10 degree turn once the rocket reaches 100 m/s and follow prograde until the rocket leaves the atmosphere.

Why are they edging so much with this static fire?

>>12040901
Virginia Tidewater Dialect.

>>12040959
use mechjeb prime vector guidance if you're playing with RSS, and raise the booster pitch rate or lower the pitch rate start speed if you're getting hard turns and do the opposite if it's turning to quickly and burning up in the atmosphere
the default settings usually work pretty well if you have a TWR of about 1.4-1.7, but depending on the rocket you may have to adjust it

>>12041002
Because it's the first time they're attempting to fuel and test fire it so they're encountering issues

>>12040933
a mentally handicapped person as president would unironically be the best thing for space flight
They see cool rocket go up, and demand to see more of it

>Cars going out to the pad

>>12041022
I guess I'm stuck for a while then, for some reason Mechjeb locks itself behind the tech tree without RO.

Elon should make starlink satellites as dim as possible. Except for certain ones. That are actually made to be very reflective. They are placed, so when observed from North America. They spell out SpaceX at certain times.

>>12041052
4ASS has already beaten Elon to the punch.

>>12041042
mechjeb embedded on CKAN might still work since its a really simple change, or you can do it yourself and just open up the .cfgs in the mechjeb folder and search for techRequired = xxxxxx or unlockTechs = xxxxxx and replace the xxx with start

>>12041028
(R) Zapp Brannigan, 2024

>>12041069
I legitimately think 2024 will be between Kamala Harris and Tucker Carlson

>>12041101
I want Crenshaw to run. The man could cruise to the oval office on eyepatch power alone.

>>12041123
>john mccain but with an eyepatch
fuck off

>>12041123
I think a Gabbard/Crenshaw debate would be damned interesting. They don't have to run for anything I just wanna see them argue.

>>12041123
>george bush with an eyepatch
that'd be the last mistake of the GOP

>>12041128
>>12041137
I legitimately just want an eyepatch president.
The GOP needs to die just like the DNC is trying to.

>>12041143
just give tucker carlson an eyepatch

>>12041067
Meh, ended up just doing it manually and had much better performance.

>>12041146
>Tucker, stop running away, we have to stab the eye out for authenticity

>>12041143
What if we got a blind President, double eyepatches. Imagine the tweets.

The West needs to be overthrown by military veterans and turned into the United Citizen Federation.

>>12040933
You realize this is just a satire right and not an actual news?

>>12041166
"""news""" at this point is nothing but a gargantuan collection of lies by omission or by structure, and in an increasing number of cases just outright, overt whole cloth lies.
Satire is more often fun, and there's no difference in the truth value between "news" and satire any more.

>>12041166
yeah but babylonbee is right leaning satire so it sometimes has more than "orange man bad"

I forget how annoying these threads get when spacex is going through their testings/static fires/etc.

>>12041123
I'd vote for Crenshaw, but I'm also an unironic neocon, so I doubt my opinion is shared by most people.

>>12041192
t. >>12039641

>>12039705
Water tower for a launch stand.

Reminder Musk has NO plans to deal with radiation fucking up colonists en route to Mars

This an absolute deal breaker, who wants cancer basically guaranteed as part of moving?

>>12041201
radiation isnt real retard

>>12041195
Remember there is probably one or two boeing shills hired to make a handful of posts in these threads on occasion.

>>12041193
How is anyone a self-aware neocon in 2020? Are you jewish?

>>12041201
He's right, a 6 month transit time is basically a 1% lifetime increased risk of cancer, and that's with zero mitigation which isn't gonna happen

>>12041201
Why not just have solenoids embedded around the crew compartment to create a magnetic field away and block solar radiation?

>>12041201
We'll probably have a cure for cancer and shit by the time those astronauts experience the I'll effects of the radiation. No problem.

>>12041216
>cure cancer
>anything below acute radiation poisoning is no longer a problem
I never thought about it like this.

>>12041205
I guess "pro-intervention liberal internationalist" is a more accurate description, but neocon is the closest common political standing to my own, especially on foreign policy. Basically, I think the US should use its military to enforce the adoption of liberal democracy wherever practical, while securing the interests of western society as a whole. This is especially pressing due to the fact that rest of the west is too neutered to fight for its own interests these days while China and Russia are becoming increasingly expansionist.

>>12041221
Well it does depend on the cure. If we find a cure, but its resource intensive, then it's still an issue. But I feel like the cure wont be resource intensive, but I'm a brainlet so I know nothing.

>>12041225
So zionist jew?

>>12041201
Just tell the radiation 'no'.

>>12041201
Wikipedia can get pretty shitty when the subject touches pop-politics.
On the given sources themselves he says there could be some shielding with water and shelters for solar storms.
On mars just live in caves or have thick ceilings.

>>12041208
So, a person that transits back and forth from Mars is going to get BTFO by cancer? This problem basically makes common travel between the 2 planets impossible

>>12041230
I like Israel as a democracy in an otherwise despotic and uncivilized region, but I'm not a huge fan of the money we spend on them or their friendliness with the Chinese.

>>12041225
If you're older than 16 this is extremely embarrassing

>>12041237
not for big in-space only ships that can have large amounts of shielding because they don't have to travel out of gravity wells

>>12041225
I also value democracy but I think that forcefully imposing it is a recipe for disaster. I personally think that not doing business with non-democratic countries is the best approach.
China is only so large because the US let all it's companies go there to be spied and cucked on.

>>12041239
>israel
>democracy
lol?

>>12041241
It wasn't a particularly controversial position to take until the "end of history" made everyone in the west imagine that the current state of the world didn't need maintenance to persist. I imagine it'll swing back into vogue when the cold war with the CCP becomes more visible to the average American.

STATIC FIRE FUCKING WHEN

>>12041247
Israel is a democracy.
I hope you are not that retard that thinks democracy=direct democracy.

>>12041247
shut the fuck up anti-semite

>space flight general

>>12041247
just because they're evil doesn't mean they're not a democracy

>>12041260
t. zogbot

>>12041261
We are technically flying through space while discussing things.

>>12041270
lmao

>>12041249
>the current state of the world didn't need maintenance to persist
>so let's destabilize entire regions with endless wars by forcing them to adopt a governmental structure they don't want
how are you this retarded

>>12041280
If they want to work against the west, they don't deserve stability.

/sfg/, answer me this: what type of propulsion/propellant do you think is required for manned missions to the outer planets?

>>12041290
Nuclear thermal makes the most sense.

>>12041290
you can use chemical propellants if you launch from ceres

>>12041290
Better question: Why the fuck is nobody talking about orbital construction to build said vesssls

>>12041290
Nuclear

VENTING
VENTING
VENTING

>>12041286
The "West" is only characterized by being gay and droning people at this point. If you aren't working against it then you're a traitor

>>12041280
Other anon here. I wouldn't say that they necessarily don't want, it's only that building a stable government is very hard.
Ultimately I agree with you that interventionism is bad.
It is better to not do business with dictatorships and blatantly advertise how comfy your civil liberties are.

SETTING UP FOR ANOTHER SCRUB

>>12041294
>>12041293
>>12041299
>>12041300
better question, why does nobody assume said manned missions to the outer planets would be launching from ceres instead of earth?

>>12041290
Nuclear or laser highways (your orbit will be very eccentric).

>>12041290
Retarded-huge PROCSIMA arrays

>>12041290
ino trusters are a good option too but i guess they will just fall under nuclear

>>12041216
>a cure for cancer
Which one?

>>12041290
If those plasma magnet sails are viable, they'd make a good candidate

>>12041290
Nuclear, preferably fusion as the main and plasma magnet sails for reducing nuclear fuel consumption whenever possible.

>>12041290
the anger engine we invented last thread

>nooooo you cant just use chemical rockets directly from ceres

terawatt MPD thrusters when bros?

>>12041303
Governments are made up of people, and the people in the middle east and west asia are incapable of emulating european civilization because they're not european. we have 30 years of proof at this point

>>12041290
Massive orbital slingshot megastructure, the 4000 mile long band is pulled back by several fleets of ships, projectiles are shot clear out of the solar system. Project name Dennis the Menace.

>>12041193
What is a neocon?

>>12041324
This.
Strap a space nerd in the basement with a headset on, left side plays twitter posts on the lines of: "why spend all this money on space when we have so many problems here on earth?" "whiteys make space hard bc racism";
Right side plays: "space isn't real", "the earth is flat" and "global warming is a hoax".

>>12041201
>Reminder Musk has NO plans to deal with radiation fucking up colonists en route to Mars

Who cares?

>>12041311
What the hell ever happened to that? Last info was in 2018. The main dude looks like a crypto scammer.

>>12041338
Excellent argument, it does indeed capture all the details of this complicated matter.
There is nothing more I can say about it.

>>12041201
There's no point weighing ships down with shielding if you aren't planning on a way to protect people once they're on their barren rock destination anyway.

>>12041349
since when has the right endorsed the earth being flat? I mean I know Catholicism opposed heliocentrism but they still believed the Earth was round.

>>12041346
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

>>12041354
It does, because psychopath nationbuilders and military contractors will use every trick in the book to convince Americans that sand niggers who are no threat to anyone besides themselves need to bombed until the end of time. Kill yourself

Third time a charm?

Which one of you keeps shilling for a Ceres launch to the outer planets, and why would Ceres make sense in this case?

>>12041201
Cancer is basically a guarantee of living. Even when you do get a bit of cancer (and we all basically do) the vast majority of it is benign, and gets destroyed by the body. There are far more dangerous occupational hazards involved in setting up a colony on a nearly-airless world coated entirely in razor sharp, sterile dust saturated with poisonous chemicals, with unknown geology, an unreliable source of electrical power, and half a year between resupply deliveries.

>>12041239
>Not a fan of spending money on Israel.
>But lets spend an order of magnitude more money on interfering in the entire rest of the planet's affairs.
Ultra-brainlet.

>>12041357
Flat earthers are mostly (vocal)right wingers from what I've seen,
The left has it very, very fair share of dumb conspiracy theories too. They just didn't buy into that one.

>>12041374
link?

>>12041346
Globohomo republican. Dick Cheney and John Bolton basically. Neolibs are globohomo dems.

>>12041377
>and half a year between resupply deliveries.
I wonder if there'd be a reliable method of setting up cargo runs to arrive on a monthly schedule, or close to it.

>>12041368
>Kill yourself
no u

>>12041380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjXEZqBqFa8

>>12041380
i guess yeah you have some insane evangelicals but the establishment right doesn't endorse the flat earth really, on the other hand the establishment left is fine with promoting "whitey on the moon". I think a better representation of the right impeding spaceflight would be the military-industrial complex/lobbyists like shelby

>>12041290
Nuclear-powered magnetoplasma drives will probably be the standard until fusion drives surpass them by having even greater ISP along with substantial TWR, if nuclear drives are ever feasible, closed-cycle gas core nuclear rockets would be the best option if you don't want to spread hazardous radioactive material into space that other people might end up flying through. If magnetoplasma sails ever end up amounting to anything they'd be good at least for leaving the inner planets, since if I'm not mistaken like a real sail they have to face away from Sol to work.

>>12041201
Oh no! Some of the most famous people in future human history who will have built a new world for humans to settle on will only live to 65. I‘m sure applicant numbers must be in the mere hundreds of thousands!
Better wait a few hundred years for deflector sheet technology.

>>12041394
good point

>>12041394
>(R) next to name means right-wing
Why are /sci/tards so politically illiterate? This entire thread has been atrocious

>>12041384
Well the obvious answer would be to store everything non-perishable in LEO in neat little fleets, and send them as soon as the window opens up. Dry food, soil, bacterial cultures, raw construction materials, extra solar panels/nuclear powerplant fuel, computer parts, purified water, etc, etc. Come to think of it, honestly most of the stuff a Mars colony would consume can sit indefinitely in Earth orbit until it's ready to go.
With Mars you have I believe 26 months between half-month long launch windows, so the supply deliveries can actually be quite large, so the colonists would see resupply every 32-ish months, assuming the supply fleet leaves ASAP when the window opens.

>>12041391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORQeJNXM_FA

>>12041415
I'M GONNA TEEEEEEEEEEEST FIRE!

>>12041411
/sci/zos think that they're above politics, that they're too smart for it. The effect is that they swallow basic propaganda hook like and sinker.

TEST FIRE
SCRUBBED

>>12041411
who are you quoting?

We have a siren!
Though I've never actually heard it. I don't know what cam people are always hearing it on.

NO LOX VENTING, CONSIDER ME SPOOKED.

>>12041123
He's from Scotland, dude

>>12041411
it doesn't really considering the republicans have moved to the left constantly over the past couple decades but its just simpler to say "D left, R right" then get into a complicated discussion about how the overton window has been racing to the left for 60 years

>>12041422
triggered incel
>>12041411
triggered whitey

>be me
>shopping for plumbing for hybrid rocket
>find some good sources for parts
>pull out nos bottle to double check fitting sizes
>part for connecting bottle to other fittings is missing
>part doesn't exist in manufacturer's catalog
>mrw
Didn't expect getting the plumbing for a rocket to be the hardest part of making one. Gonna try calling the manufacturer tomorrow to see if I can special order the missing piece. Thank you for reading my blog.

>>12041425
>I think a better representation of the right impeding spaceflight would be the military-industrial complex/lobbyists like shelby

>>12041432
Just because something is simpler to say doesn't mean you should say it

>>12041434
What about it?

>>12041435
Let it be a good lesson, plumbing is one of the most satanic parts of rocket design outside of turbomachinery. Look at all the pipes on this dumb faggot in pic related.

How much time would it take for one person to make a rocket to go to Jupiter and back?

>>12039705
It's a stool-style launchpad that's going to look like a shorter, squatter version of the McGregor, TX test stand that they build for F9 testing.

>>12041445
holly shit the whole thing is going to stand tall

>>12041439
Lesson learned indeed. The hard part for rocketry specifically is that there are no specific rocketry plumbing sources (for amateur rocketeers) so you're always second guessing if a specific part is good enough for the task. Also, the bottle I have is larger than what I really need (10lbs when a 5lb would do). Might try to sell the bottle with the missing piece and buy a smaller cheaper bottle, or maybe even one of those ultra lightweight CO2 bottles for airguns.

God fucking damnit Elon, don't abort it

I'm still hopeful for an orbit this year

>2020 almost over
>less than 70 launches
>almost 10 failures
can the industry turn itself around? we were launching 150 times a year in the 60s.

SN6 STATIC FIRE COMPLETE!!!

BRAAAAP

Nice

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

STATIC FIRE NOW

>>12041464
>>12041463
Another successful static fire. Can't wait for HOP

I've done farts that lasted longer.

>>12041462
Covid fucked things up

SECOND STATIC FIRE INCOMING

>>12041472
But have you set them on fire? I don't think so.

>>12041435
rockets are nothing but plumbing, anon

>mrw BRRRRAAAAAAP

>>12041479
He hasn't, but I have.

>>12041471

OH SHIT OH FUG IT'S GONNA HOOOOOOOP!1

>second static fire
>tank failure
which one are we getting

>>12041485
Is the camera ~1.5 miles away? Judging by the ~7sec shock delay

>>12041485
Why are BRAPS so kino?

>>12041491
yeah

>>12041489
I don't think there's a second static fire planned before the hop

Yo, fuck, YO YO the venting on both tanks is stopped, what if they're autogenously pressurizing for a second shot?

>"We're launching SN6 at the hurricane."
ELON NO

>>12041504
ELON YES

Is it gonna blow up?

>>12041504
SN6 is fully capable of defeating the enemy hurricane, I have faith.

Starship is getting blue on the thermal cam. Are they filling it all?

>>12041472
yeah whats your ISP?

FUCK
>FUCK
FUCK
>FUCK

>>12041515
>Flies with a giant trump flag insignia
>detonated a MOAB in the eye of the hurricane
Would it do anything bros?

>>12041435
Just heat both parts and hammer them together to forge-weld them

>>12041523
nice try nerd

>>12041524
no hurricane eyes are huge. it would take awhile to fly across one.

>>12041524
no
https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd-faq/#hurricane-mitigation

>>12041523
uninspired
you can tell it's old by the outdated tank farm

>>12041523
>2020-05-29
Why didn't you rename it?

>>12041524
You'd need a nuke, or several nukes. Blow the shit out of the storm to let it know just who is boss around here.

>>12041368
War is good.

>>12041532
forgot

What happens if the automated detanking failed? How do they manually detank it? Can they?

>>12041539
Shoot it, the pressure will be released.

>>12041539
Its not a failure, its likely they were checking if they can hop.

hrmmmmmmmm

starhopper has awakened

imagine if the starhopper just randomly hopped out of nowhere.

>that little baby static fire
lmao, holy fuck spacex (more like shitx) is so fucking pathetic, easily the worst aerospace company by far. Boeing wins yet AGAIN. Fuck its hard winning so much

explosion when

>>12041544
FEED ME BELTERS

>>12039641
>>12041547

>>12041547
based Indian poster

>>12041547
Imagine supporting sp*ceX. Boeing will be landing on Mars while Elon is still figuring out how to get launches below $100 billion. Starliner fails once and EVERYONE acts like spacex is suddenly king. I think it’s just a weird hivemind cope

>>12041547
>be boeing
>can't dock with the ISS

hmmmm, yes

>>12041543
Yep still cooled, so they are thinking of doing a second one or maybe even a HOP. After some data verfications.

when does today's window close?

>>12041561
BASED

>>12041539
>What happens if the automated detanking failed?
In my experience. They'll call the local sheriff for him to poke holes into the tanks with his hunting rifle.

>>12041562
Will Starliner ever even deliver astronauts?

I WAKE

>>12041559
Underated

>>12041576

starhopper meme template

>>12041578
OH SHIT HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US AAAAAAAAHH

>>12041576
>>12041578
>ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

SN6 encroached into Hopper's rightful territory, it has angered the test article which is known to be highly aggressive.

>>12041579
Good God.

>>12041589
Based libertarian hopper

>>12041579
>Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my 304L steel fumbling in ignorance, incapable of hopping.
>There is a realm of reusable spaceflight so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it.

>>12041579

>>12041594
Hippity hoppity
hop off my property

>>12041579

>>12041603
>>12041591
>>12041579
Wait til it transforms into its robot mode

>>12041579

Hot take: Starship will probably fly but it will either be massively scaled down (60-80 tons to LEO and only 5-7 passengers) or it will never be human rated or both. Reason: They've been scaling it down since ITS, they struggled to get FH to work and there is no launch escape system.

>>12041632
>no launch escape system.
There's no escaping the future.

>>12041632
Starship IS the launch abort system. If something goes wrong with the first stage just hop to safety.

>>12041632
>Hot take: Starship will probably fly but it will either be massively scaled down (60-80 tons to LEO and only 5-7 passengers)
>Scaled down to 60-80 tons when they are getting 330 bar on raptor and crew dragon is already 7 people
i think you're getting a little ahead of yourself with the doomerism here. also, it seems that they have stabilized the design at 9 meter diameter.

>>12041632
>Hot take
Get the fuck out of here twitterfag.

>>12041578
This is what Shelby sees in his nightmares. You know, other than the d-word.

>muh launch escape system
Guess what, basedfaggots weren't going to be the ones exploring the solar system in the first place. It's actually preferable that it doesn't have one so it deters the wrong people from even thinking they're capable in the first place

>>12041632
>They've been scaling it down since ITS
It hasn't been scaled down since the switch to steel
>They struggled to get FH to work
FH was a slog because they wanted to do asparagus staging and gave up when they realized it was too complicated to be worth it. After that they still had to redesign the center core for different load requirements.

>>12041649
>Shelby sees 2 Starships docked together to form a D*pot looming over him while the soviet anthem plays in the background