/sci/ - Science & Math

Everyone who works at Boeing will burn in hell for all eternity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanhui_Shi_Weixing

>>12018338
:D

>>12018328
>khrushchev gifted the kennedy family one of stelkas pups after the mission
say what you want about khrushchev but he was unbeatable in the field of foreign relation bants

>>12018328
soviets fucking killed dogs in space thats fucked up man

Reminder, tomorrow is SpaceX's 100th launch anniversary.

>>12018338
isnt that basically what working at boeing is like anyway

>>12018328
fuck you. those slavic flathead mongols killed those poor dogs. truly abhorrent. scum russians

nice ksp you have there
would be a shame if you had to spend another 20 minutes loading

>>12018343
My trash can wife is so cute :)

>>12018358
From what I've heard from a friend who worked at Boeing, that joke about how it's ran by number crunchers who have never seen an engineering project is based on fact.

ship AIs with android (female) bodies when?

>>12018364
Didn't those two survive? Besides, they wanted to find out whether a complex being like a human could even survive in 0g, launching a dog first was wise.

>>12018374
You just want to fuck a spaceship, don't you?

>>12018380
nothing wrong with that man

>>12018349
??? Belka and Strelka both survived the mission

bros
its BIG G time

>>12018389
Big Based.

>>12018389
>Starliner
DESIGNATED DEORBITING

>>12018389
>Can carry 12 people into LEO alongside a mini space station module
>Cancelled for the shuttle

JUST
U
S
T

>>12018411
The number of possibilities the Shuttle have ended is disappointing.

>>12018411
You can thank the chairforce for that one. I suspect their inept mangling of Shuttle requirements was actually part of the impetus for creating the Space Force.

>>12018380
>>12018374
>Not just fapping to the ships themselves
imgur.com/pKKyjIk.jpg

>>12018396
What's in the nose? Avionics/parachute?

>>12018442
Considering that Big G is a Gemini with a larger area bolted to it, that nose is probably the same.

>>12018436
based and /kspg/pilled

>>12018370
I find that kind of entertaining, because the CEO that led them into the KC-46, 737-Max, and Starliner disasters was an engineer for the company for a number of years. The last project he worked on as an engineer was the X-32, so maybe that explains a lot.

>tfw you extend the hydrolox tank but dont think to make the engine bigger too
who /burning/ here

>>12018463
>engine explodes because it wasn't rated for such a long burn
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>12018467
>>12018463
well it made it into a heliocentric orbit at least, I guess i'll just call this one a solar observatory

aaaaaaaaaa

>>12018492
how many rolls of 304L can you buy with that

>>12018494
Bout 3 fiddy

>>12018492
how

bros, how do we get nasa to stop littering interplanetary space?

>>12018507
It's because TSLA keeps going up. Up 8% today and 30% since last week.

>>12018492
304L is $3/kg so with $81.9 billion you can buy 27.3 Million tons of 304L. If Starship costs $82 Million for a full stack, you can build 1000 of them.

>>12018518
Space is hueg. No need to worry.

>>12018536
thats what they said about the air and the oceans

>>12018542
Dude don’t worry.

>>12018542
Go figure out the amount of oceans you can fit in interplanetary space.

>>12018535
Wonder how the profit margins for the hop flights will be.

>>12018546
Like at least four.

>>12018535
>If Starship costs $82 Million for a full stack, you can build 1000 of them.
If each one can be used 10 times that's 10,000 flights. With 6 refueling each that's 1,666 flights to Mars, each carrying 50 people. More than 80,000 people on Mars.
And these are pesimitic numbers. More likely Starship will be cheaper (~40 million each) and be used more than 10X.
We could have a million people on Mars before Ol' Musky kicks the bucket.

>>12018587
Starlink will be the real kicker. When that shit goes to IPO, I'm probably putting half my savings into it.

Godamn it's beautiful

>>12018492
Mars is just gonna pay for the mars colony out of his own pocket at this rate.

>>12018681
>Mars
*Musk

>>12018678
>distance (light-years)

>>12018684
No. We are going to BUILD THAT BASE and we'll charge Mars for it too!

>>12018678
The idea that entire worlds will end up like countries are today (or used to be before increased globalization and cultural homogeneity) in the future is really interesting

>>12018678
I hope KSP2 gets rogue dwarf planets

bros i think i need a bigger launchpad

>>12018706
What a cool fucking idea, the idea that there might be some we haven't discovered yet in between us and Alpha Centauri, and I really like how that artist took their orbits into account, with the planet Minerva that will soon go "off" the highway for thousands of years as it orbits our Sun

>>12018707
RSS/RO is like meth. When I played it my computer kept crashing and it took 45 minutes to boot up, but it was incredibly fun to play. Vanilla KSP just feels boring at this point.

bros why dont we just have the federal reserve print all the money it takes to colonize the solar system?

Based SNC and ULA

>>12018436
>not just straight up cooming to a Kerbal herself

>>12018732
>SpaceX employees supporting Bernie when he would probably regulate and fuck over SpaceX to the ground where he elected

what the fuck stick to making rockets jesus

>>12018732
Why did so many people fall for the Bernie meme? The fucker already sold out in 2016 literally what made people think he wouldn’t this time.

>>12018745
That's what happens when you set up shop in California.

>>12018746
Because most people's political convictions don't go beyond dude weed or free shit.

>>12018746
Because in 2016 the only other choices were a crazy old witch and an insecure retarded manchild

Is he right?

IMMEDIATE REPAIRS NEEDED

>>12018772
There is no monopoly while AliExpress is around

>>12018745
>>12018756

There's more to Sanders and his fans than the memes you see on /pol/

Today they placed a water tank with a 9 meter diameter that was 11 meters tall at my work for a expansion project.
Wanted to talk about my colleagues about the fact that starship will also have a 9m diameter and will be alot taller, but then i realized i wasn't an autist so i kept it for myself.

>>12018811
>Literal millionaire
>Sold his soul to the DNC twice
>Creepy rape fantasies
>Cuckold during his campaign
>Suddenly stopped talking shit and criticizing his opponents once he lost and now sucks them off

>>12018811
Dude enthusiastically endorsed the two candidates who most exemplify everything he claims to oppose. He has no principles at all. No refunds, sorry

>>12018818
>Literal millionaire
Yeah because he's had a good job for a long time and he wrote a popular book. And so what? If he wasn't, you'd say he was just asking for gibs.
Literally everything else in your post is memes.

Anyone who supports Bernie is a delusional loser. Not because of any of his policies, but because he had 4 years after 2016 to build coalitions and build a voter based, but somehow did worse in 2020. Who would support that big of a failure?

>>12018832
Literally everything I said was true you mong. And it’s funny because he always talks about taking down “the 1%” while being one of them.

>>12018845
At what point did he
>Sold his soul to the DNC twice
>Creepy rape fantasies
>Cuckold during his campaign

>>12018745
>SpaceX employees supporting Bernie when he would probably regulate and fuck over SpaceX's government-based competiors to the ground where he elected
FIFY. If Bernie or Biden were elected, then the most SpaceX would lose would be some NASA contracts. There's nothing those two can do about SpaceX without violating its rights as a company.

>>12018855
Imagine supporting this guy lmao. Zero charisma, zero energy. Meekness personified.

>>12018855
>Sold his soul to the DNC
Look how quickly he recoiled on his hate for Biden. He’s actively supporting him now despite bringing up points on why Biden is a shit candidate.

>Creepy rape fantasies
He wrote an article a while back in the 70s check it out.

>Cuckold during campaign
He’s gotten his mic stolen by a black woman several times

>>12018811
There's more to Sanders at least, he takes his donation funds and leads his dumbass fans to vote for the DNC candidates.
Every
Single
Time

FUCKING NIGGERS, STOP THE POLITICAL POST GARBAGES

>>12018863
Imagine supporting this guy lmao. Zero charisma, zero energy. Meekness personified.

>He’s gotten his mic stolen by a black woman several times
Because that's the same as your wife cheating on you. Why are conservatives so obsessed with cuckholdry?

>>12018873
science and space development is inherently political

>The thruster for the Sert-II test consisted of two electron bombardment engines using mercury propellant.

I see our resident redditor is chimping out again

>>12018887
>Despite its appearance, SpaceX has never confirmed nor denied that an employee once used a Draco thruster chamber assembly as a spoon for cereal.

>>12018875
>Because that’s the same as your wife cheating on you

Bruh it’s an expression how sensitive are you? You faggots are so retarded I bet if Biden wins and cancels Artemis you and Scott Mickley and EverydayEstrogenaut would celebrate.

bro how the fuck do nozzles work

>>12018894
>Early versions of the Scud missile engine used the same propellant as its V-2 progenitor, ethanol and liquid oxygen. However, after field reports of the liquid oxygen vaporizing and the ethanol "mysteriously" disappearing, the engine was redesigned to use UDMH and IRFNA. Both are stable on the battlefield, and "coincidentally" is unsafe for human consumption.

>>12018732
>aerospace employees overwhelmingly support a candidate that’d defund the space program for more gibs
Not really surprising, but still.

>>12018901
You know how with a water hose that you can make the water come out faster if you partially cover the hose end with your thumb? Same basic principle with rocket nozzles. However, counter-intuitively if you constrict the fluid flow to the point where the fluid moves as fast as sound can travel through it, then constricting the flow even further wouldn't make it go faster. Instead, after the point in the flow where it travels at sonic speeds (called the throat) the flow area is expanded which makes it go even faster.

>>12018924
Even really intelligent people have blind spots

>>12018911
>The RS-68 utilizes a simplified design philosophy resulting in a drastic reduction in parts compared to current cryogenic engines. This design approach results in lower development and production costs.

Pull up the latest labpadre testing timelapse and set it to 2x playback speed. The dynamics of the clouds in the sky starting at about 8:30 AM are gorgeous.

>>12018894
Based Tom

>>12018935
>The TD-339 (the Surveyor vernier engine) employed a somewhat unusual injector: Rather than the more-common impinging jet or coaxial element injector, a vortex injector was used instead.
>It also won the Huntsville Annual Aesthetic Rocket Engine Pageant four times in a row since its introduction in 1966

>>12018901
Bernoulli principle.

>>12018935
They should really look at replacing the RS-25s on the SLS with 68s.

>he still wants to travel into space using Newton's third law of motion from the 15th century
>he doesn't want to use a Tic-Tac UFO

>>12018962
Jesus why are you fuckers always here. Why is /Sci/ always shitted up by UFOfags

>>12018954

>>12018896
>can only think in memes and meme names

>>12018978
We've been "here" for a very very long time.

>>12018962
>UFO
How about UFO? (U Fuck off)

>>12018978
UFOs are now a legitimate scientific topic. Which means they belong on /sci/ and not /x/.

>>12018982
>The AJ10 is a well established upper stage engine even during Apollo with it being around since Vanguard.
>During the selection process for the main engine of the Apollo Service Module, a newer more advanced engine was considered, however the selection board chose the AJ10 after Aerojet sent an improved example of their engine (what would become the AJ10-137) along with a beautiful showgirl next to it.

>>12018991
Until we can get more information other then blurry pictures and radio readings, then no one gives a shit. We need real tech for us to study for anyone to care. And we're never going to get that.

>>12018954
>>12018982
God DAYUM

>>12018888
This is actually a smart economical way to assemble multiple private space stations

ISS will have many uses in the future, MANY!

nozzles are a meme

>>12019007
>The Merlin 1D is SpaceX's mainline engine for their Falcon 9 series of rockets with its roots tracing back to the Fastrac engine.
>No one knows what the "D" in the name stands for. When asked about it, Elon Musk (founder of SpaceX) cryptically moved his hips back and forth.

>>12018991
I'll accept talk of UFOs in an engineering topic; like how would a UFO work?

>>12019021
space magic

>>12019017
Toroidal tokamak fusion aerospike rocket when?

>>12019017
Unfortunately, so are aerospikes, for now.

>>12019019
Merlin 1D[eeznutz]

o7 for this upcoming smallsat launcher company
https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1295383702437015553

>>12019010
Something about the green and gold makes it look so fancy.

>>12019007
>Vanguard
>Thor-Able
>Apollo
>Delta II
>Shuttle
>Orion
The AJ-10 will probably be in use for at least a century.

>>12019019
>The RD-0410 is a nuclear thermal rocket. The compact reactor used thermal insulation between uranium carbide/tungsten carbide fuel and the zirconium hydride moderator.
>While its performance outshone the American NERVA engine, the project was abandoned when too many technicians kept huddling near the active reactor for warmth during the cold northeast Kazakhstan winter.

>>12019034
Hmm this looks familiar.
>not reusable
into the trash it goes

>>12019045
>The RD-270 was the Soviet Union's answer to the American F-1. It generated the same thrust with about 40 seconds more Specific Impulse. However the engine's immense size gave it explosive combustion instabilities like that on the F-1, however the Soviets were never able to solve the problems
>The engine was fueled by N2O4/UDMH, and used a high temperature full flow staged combustion turbo-pump assembly. A highly experimental system.
>It was reported that the technician closest to the engine during test fires lost over five pounds in nervous sweat alone.

>>12018724
Can I use the RO part packs without RO itself? I don't like how it hides away most other parts.

>>12019034
I attended one of their presentations. Glad to see that they're still kicking around after their earlier business problems.

>>12019007
Kek I love stories like that. During the Apollo-Soyuz mission didn’t the USA design the docking port to be the same on both sides so as to not make it where the Soviets were “penetrating” the Apollo capsule or something.

Whats the date for the next big event to happen /sfg/

>>12019090
SN6 static fire soon. Starlink launch and first booster to fly 6 times this week too I think

>>12019096
>sn6 static fire
oh boy im hype

still no public space companies worth investing in edition

>>12019100
Interesting, do you think there might be a correlation there?

>>12019100
I'm itching for the starlink IPO

>>12019117
absolutely, suits are too retarded to understand space memes

but that means poorfags can't invest in the future, whereas anyone with enough money to be an "accredited investor" can just participate in the funding rounds and buy SpaceX stock

Imagine how rich Elon would be if he made SpaceX public

>>12019163
Good thing he's not a Jew

>>12019163
Imagine the lack of ambition and shareholder pandering

>>12018745
It's what happens when you source a big chonk of your workforce from silicon valley. Many of them have barely any exposure to the real world and draw most of the information they base their beliefs and preferences on exclusively from sources already popular in that area.
As a result they're more likely to vote for economically illiterate pinko grifters who defraud their own supporters of millions of dollars.

>>12019068
So the Soviets really were 28k years ahead of time

>>12018812

>>12018644
A certain radio talk show host mentioned today that NYC and other big city areas are starting a fast decline now that people realize they can move out of the big cities because of Bandwidth that lets people work from home. He didn't mention Starlink because he was talking about current bandwidth, but that's only going to make it happen faster.
It looks like Starlink has appeared at exactly the optimal point in time, thanks in part to Corona-chan.
>>12019086
I would think it was more a matter of practicality. A big point about androgynous docking ports is that if you have gendered docking, capsule vs station, then you can't dock two capsules together. Just the chance that there may be an emergency that needs capsule-to-capsule docking makes it a good thing to have.
I think I also read that they had an extra airlock in the dock because Apollo used oxygen and Soyuz used plain air.

>>12019178
Hypergolic Super Starship when?

>>12019163
But he won't, because then it has to answer to public shareholders, and has to chase the 6-month short-term profit carrot. SpaceX *must* stay private for many years to come for it to achieve its long-term goals.
There's also a limit of number of investors before they have to do public-level reporting, so it has to be kept to big investors.

>>12018492
I guess it's time for me to go to /biz/ and post pink wojaks about how I didn't buy any TSLA

Imagine if Bigelow got their shit together and we didn't need a gateway building process because their module was ready and waiting for Orion already

INFLATE ME DADDY!

>>12019217
It did work? Nice.

>>12019209
is it true that bigelow is kill?

>>12019225
Yas

Slightly off topic. The UAPTF just got announced by the Pentagon and people from NASA are interested, they've offered technical assistance as long as findings are released to the public.

>>12019225
Not completely gone, but pretty fucked due to corona

>>12019225
Not kill per say, but they're probably going to have to start over from scratch on the employment side. At least the technology was already designed and tested, but assuming Bigelow continues the project it will probably be several years before they can consider preparing a habitat for launch, like they were planning to do in 2021 and 2022.

>>12018954
>Aesthetic Rocket Engine Pageant
BRING THIS BACK HOLY SHIT

>>12019225
>is it true that bigelow is kill?
Bigelow literally believes aliens are visiting the planet.

>>12019250
Illegal aliens are visiting the deserts where he lives.

>>12019254
Yeah but he means Ayyylmaos not Mexicans.

>>12019256
They should fuck off, they can have the moon tho.

If all spaceflight from 1957 to 2029 is a 24cm (9 and half inch) line, Apollo 11 happened at 4cm (1 and half inch) and for the next 20 cm (8 inches) to 2029, no human spaceflight beyond Earth has occurred yet.

There has been roughly five times the amount of time from Sputnik to the Apollo missions and no major crewed spaceflight between celestial bodies has occurred since then DESPITE von Braun planning a crewed flight (a whole fleet!) to Mars and other plans for a venus flyby.

It is at this point a certain extreme cold anger wells inside at you against the the crippled Space Shuttle program and against what would be the US's major space competitors failing to inspire another major space race.

Our souls are truly weighed down by gravity.

>>12018678
>>12018717
This is great. I love the idea that the cold, dim spaces between stars are full of rogue planets. It allows you to model space as the Pacific Ocean in the age of sail, with stars and their inner planets representing major archipelagos (Japan, New Zealand, Indonesia, etc.) and the rogue planets are tiny micronesian speck-atolls. That big halfway spot is basically Hawaii.

SRB FIRST STAGE
TO ORBITSECOND STAGE
TO MARS
AND BACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjpELy1xzc

>>12019293
what the fuck lol

Who's ready for FS 2020?

>>12019296
OTRAG v2 apparently.

>>12019300
Fly over boca chica

>>12019246
How about for the next thread edition?

>>12019276
I really do hope there is a Planet 9, and its massive

Good stepping stone for exploring the Oort Cloud

>>12018587
>If each one can be used 10 times that's 10,000 flights. With 6 refueling each that's 1,666 flights to Mars, each carrying 50 people. More than 80,000 people on Mars.
And these are pesimitic numbers. More likely Starship will be cheaper (~40 million each) and be used more than 10X.
I know you were using pessimistic numbers, but those are really pessimistic. Might of well made a falcon super heavy at that point.

>>12018732
i mean a large portion of spacex's employees are from california, so no surprise.

>>12018772
what's he gonna say when he has the monopoly on rockets?

>>12019096
Starlink launch and unberthing of the final Japanese HTV

>>12019314
We'll need some SpaceX autist to handcraft all of the SpaceX real estate, probably only the KSC has attention.

>>12019225
Yes. Good riddance. There's a lot of better companies that could get use out of those patents.

>>12019374
case in point

>>12019367
>unberthing of the final Japanese HTV
Huh, didn't realize that program was winding down. Are they planning on a successor?

>>12018924
where do you think most of them live?

>>12019380
Well most of the ones from the companies listed are in Cali, Washington, and Colorado (in ULA's case). However aerospace as a field tends to lean right, and the highest concentration of AEs in the US is in Huntsville, so it's a little surprising.

>>12019362
"It's not a monopoly if you're just that good. Nothing is stopping ULA from building reusable rockets except themselves."

>>12019378
INFLATE ME DADDY!

>>12019385
I thought ULA was in Shelbyville.

>>12018692
After a few hundred thousand years (if we survive that long), those colonies will develop into entirely species. Some no doubt fueled by technical augmentation and biological manipulation. Even if we never find genuine aliens we'll have myriads of different sapient species, all descended from humanity. Very cool to think about.

>>12019385
I think it might also be that conservatives in general donate to campaigns a lot less often as well.

>>12019392
ULA's factory is in Decatur (which is basically Huntsville), but their HQ is in Colorado. Similarly, Blue Origin is building a major production facility near Huntsville while their headquarters (and current small-scale production) is located near Seattle.

>>12019379
They retired the H-IIB (/sfg/ watched the livestream of the last flight together) and HTV stands for H-II Transfer Vehicle, so I bet they'll have an equivalent for the H-III family.

>>12019405
HTV-X1
https://iss.jaxa.jp/htv-x/news/cargo/200630.html

Shit son, check out those bargains you can find through Bing.
What the fuck is NASA doing?

>>12019422
Nips sure love gold foil on their spacecraft for some reason

>>12019034
Hopefully they have better luck than astra.

>>12018888
>3.5m stations sections
OLD SPACE TRASH

Also, did they ever do this?
https://www.technewstokyo.com/articles/view/106

>>12019437
Well, it's not gold. It's just good old bog standard MLI. It keeps the electronics really well shielded, extremely well for its weight or lack thereof.

>spacex are STILL the only guys landing rockets
bros what the fuck

>>12019456
China's been landing them for years. Their innovative hybrid villager-lithobraking system for first stage recovery is seriously underrated.

>>12019400
isn't that backwards? democrats don't like donating but conservatives do

>>12019456
Oldspace and going public is a serious misstep that they thankfully didnt fall for

>>12019477
I don't know about donations, but Republicans are significantly more reliable voters than Democrats.

>>12019477
I thought it was the opposite of what you're saying. Too lazy to find a source right now.

>>12019483
>>12019489
just looked it up, republican individuals are less likely to donate, and democrat individuals are more likely to donate, but corporations donate more and more often to republicans than democrats, and republicans raise way more money

>>12019500
Republicans act locally and absolutely BTFO Democrats in mid term elections. Republicans have a high level of engagement in government by comparison.

Will you support the Terra Prime or Martian Federalist party in the future

>>12019522
MCR 4 lyfe

>>12019433
oh my keks

unironically some good module/spacecraft design ideas here though who would've thunk

>>12018811
Sanders is unironically in the "spaceflight bad because muh programs" camp.

>>12019522
Neither, gonna hermit it up on Enceladus

>ISS Centrifuge research module - support base

>>12019530
>Apollo Valves 50G
>Eternity Dragon Scale
uhh

conjoiners on mars WHEN

>when you see it

>nick cannon was right all along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I50EEKzrOd4

>>12019522
Fuck urf

>>12019554
>all future astronauts will be required to wear blackface on BEO missions
holy fucking kek

>>12019568
unprecedented levels of irony

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295495834998513664

>>12019584
Holy shit

>>12019584
Not a physicsfag, what are the consequences of this? More progress that’s par for the course or is this unexpectedly good?

>>12019584
>without exploding
I guess it‘s nice to have a high theoretical maximum. Also nice to break a record.
But I doubt they‘d ever push their actual flight hardware to the test stand limits.

>>12019594
>what are the consequences of this?
For a given engine design; more chamber pressure means more efficiency and more thrust. Also, this chamber pressure breaks the previous world record of 265 bar with the RD-180.

>>12019594
Higher chamber pressure -> more mass flow -> faster acceleration -> less fuel spent on gravity losses -> more THROOST for either delta-V or payload improvements.

>>12019598
That will come with time/tests. They'll likely be happy with 300 Bar for early/nomimal raptors, but as they tests/more/more, they'll increase it.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295498964205068289

>>12019611
How the hell did SpaceX get so good at designing extremely advanced engines when governments and other corporations have been doing it since the 1940s?'

>>12019584
>" For reference, 330 bar on Raptor produces ~225 tons (half a million pounds) of force."
Jesus fucking christ.

>>12019620
And SuperHeavy will have 31 of them.

>>12019594
Superior ISP, superior TWR, thus superior delta-V

>>12019250
sadly, that probably increases his qualifications, considering the US military believes in them too.

>>12019362
SpaceX needs to be split up into at least 200 different contractors to keep competition fair to the honest companies in space flight who had to work really hard to assemble rockets from parts already finished by other companies.

>>12019611
>>12019620
For comparison, BlueOrigin is working on BE-4 and it produces slightly higher thrusts than Raptor, however Raptor beats it in thrust/weight, chamber pressure, and most likley Isp aswell(but we know nothing of BE-4)

>>12019598
The Merlin doubled its thrust going from the 1C to 1D which far surpassed what the original engineers thought was possible. They've only built 40 Raptors so far starting in 2016

>>12019379
yes, the HTV-X designed to launch on the heavy variant of the successor H-III rocket.

http://www.parabolicarc.com/2020/06/04/new-htv-x-resupply-ship-to-be-more-capable-affordable/

>>12019636
BE-4 is a huge piece of junk they intend to slap two of for vulcan and call it a day.

>>12019605
Looks like their SN40 Raptor is an upgrade over this 330 bar Raptor. There's no stopping the Elon train.

>>12018962
The technology of the unholy or xeno is forbidden from use

>>12019019
>>12019033
kektus

>>12019362
Nothing fundamental prevents other rocket companies from surpassing SpaceX except their own laziness/institutional inertia/lack of ambition. SpaceX's monopoly is more like the monopolies of the mid industrial era where seemingly every year a new company would invent a superior product and monopolize the market and then collapse under the pressure of a superior competitor who would dominate for a short time in turn. The early lamp oil industry is a great example of this. I'd label these "natural" monopolies, IE they will arise given no interference from the outside, as technology and economic strategy changes over time. SpaceX will probably end up forming this kind of monopoly eventually.
Boing! and the other oldspace companies are what I'd call an "artificial" monopoly, in which the corporation(s) has colluded with either other corporations or the government (or both) to form an unbreakable monopoly which is immune to normal market pressures by using strategies like government bailouts, no-bid contracting, cost-plus contracting, etc.

A "natural" monopoly is the sign of technological and market progress, it means that people are creating things so good so fast that the leaps of technology can regularly catapult one company far ahead of it's competitors. On the other hand, "artificial" monopolies are a sign of a sickened economic system which allows excessive government intervention to produce active state/corporate collusion to stifle productivity for the personal gain of a few.

>>12019613
I mean he just said this was their 40th engine.
So discounting a few that went to Boca, they probably iterated through/blew up 30-something engines by now.

>>12019636
BE-4 will inevitably have substantially lower TWR than Raptor, right off the bat even if it had similar chamber pressures it's fuel cycle would preclude it being more efficient than Raptor, but it's chamber pressure is highly anemic in fact, which indicates that it will not only have less ISP, but significantly less ISP.

>>12019626
Are we really down to just 31 by now? That‘s pretty cool.

>>12019659
how is amazon not a natural monopoly? They gave people what they wanted, at prices they wanted, and speeds they wanted

>>12019665
I never mentioned Amazon, just Boing! and the oldspace clique, this would include Lockmeme, Northrop, Pratt/Whitney Rocketdyne, ULA to an extent, and their many hundreds of hyper-specialized contractors. I'd have to look more closely at Amazon to make a judgement like that about them, if they aren't really utilizing collusion with other companies or the state to strangulate their competitors, than I'd just err on the side of saying they are a natural monopoly. At this point the major hurdle to overcoming them would simply be startup investment, however there are plenty of people rich enough to bankroll such a project if they had the will to do so.

>>12019677
but this was all in reference to Elon's tweet where he says amazon is a monopoly and therefor needs to be broken up...

>>12019613
Those engines were cash cows that never advanced because government contracts were willing to burn money for the same thing over and over again. Why make a better engine when you can get rich building the same thing? Zero incentive.

>>12019636
And Blue can't seem to get BE4 to work despite it running on pathetically low pressure (basically 1/3 of Raptor and just ahead of Merlin) for SCC with no difference in how many billions Bezos pours into the company

>>12019685
Right, well like I said, I don't know too much about Amazon specifically, I was just addressing the idea that there might be some kind of hypocrisy from Elon claiming Amazon to be a monopoly that needs to be broken. Generally speaking monopolies that need breaking are artificial ones which are too well dug in to collapse of their own accord.

>>12019665
Amazon breaks the market and competition to keep its monopoly. If a small business shows up and threatens one of amazons products, amazon will lower their prices and operate at a loss until the small business goes under, then raise their prices back up.
They also buy out other businesses and throw them on a shelf to rot to save themselves.
There is also the lobbying and political bullshit to get what they want.
Satellite internet is the next huge cash generator. Years ago, you had to apply to the FCC for the space to launch satellites and make the constellation in a set range of frequencies. Musk applied, got accepted, and has been working towards his goal. Jeff Who didn't go for it because he didn't think it would work. After seeing SpaceXs model, he tried to apply to make his own constellation, but missed the deadline to apply. So he was declined, and it was all public. So now, after some behind-the-scenes "negotiations" Jeff Who suddenly has the green light to start launching sats to make his own system.

>>12019701
>>12019688
>>12019677
Shit like this is why I want to go into the area of space advocacy/politics. Disgusting the public don't know the shit is going on. Hopefully costs get low enough that it really becomes a public issue soon.

>>12018349
>>12018388

Laika died, and also 4 other dogs.

What a fucking mad nigger monkey sends dogs to die in a reentry burn??? Fucking slavs, god damn beasts.

>>12019267
thank you.

>>12019719
It becomes a public issue when you get publicity. SpaceX is doing a lot of publicity not just to promote its brand and get people interested, it also empowers the public into making the right decisions when they vote.

It's sad that appart from China and the US, no other country has the spirit to compete.

Russians went broke, Europeans lost their spirits long ago, stagnation is their only objective, Indians and Israelis are a fucking joke.

>>12019730
F I N L A N D

>>12019730
Europe never spiritually recovered from the world wars.

POWER

>>12019740
bruhh look at the fuckin pencildick LMAOOOOOOO

>>12019522
Contolism imo

>MFW after this year Delta IV will only fly three more times
Wtf

>>12019743
Liquid fueled boosters will always BTFO SRBs

>>12019750
How?

>>12019749
RIP, fat orange slut.

>hydrolox first stages
bro why would u do that

>>12019594
it's about a 10% increase in thrust from their original goal

>>12019749

>>12019750
can it #plume tho?

>>12019757
Just wait till the socialists demand all space launches by hydrolox to protect the environment.

>>12019811
>not using even cleaner electric steam engines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV8j08mCBEs

>>12019818
this was a good meme

>>12019818
>ARCA
ah yeah that scam company, how are they coming along these days?

>>12019818
this would work well in space though right?

bakas wanted to use it in atmo tho

>>12019826
No, plain water has garbage ISP even running through a nuclear rocket, it would only work then simply because there's so much water available to be used.

>>12019832
>it would only work then simply because there's so much water available to be used.
but it would make the spacecraft heavier than other fuels and so slow it down even more right?

Water would better be used for radiation shielding I think

>>12019811
>implying socialist green retards know the difference between rocket propellants
Most of them think rockets are extremely polluting, and some want to ban rocket launches to protect the environment lmao

>>12019837
the suckers that ARCA >>12019818 was trying to scam

>>12019836
Not necessarily, the ship itself would be heavier if it had to carry the same weight in hydrogen for example, because LH2 requires much larger, more heavily insulated tanks. To get the same delta-V though yes, you'd need a heavier ship if you wanted it to run off water alone. Also yes, spacecraft will be more likely to just use water for drinking, bathing, and shielding.

>>12019584
>5000 PSI

>>12019843
Imagine future space baths
>enter chamber
>put on water breathing device
>open valve
>water slowly fills chamber
>can immerse yourself totally in 0g water in 0g

comf

Steam pressure assisted space launches.

Lower a f9 into a shift with a sabot and lock it in place. Pressurize the shift below the sabot. Release the clamp and the rocket pops up. Igniting the first stage along the way.

Just like submarine missile launches.

>>12019811
Good excuse to test and develop the Sabatier plants they need for Mars. Can't argue with carbon neutral.

>>12019057
Are we gonna end up like the commercial aviation industry where all new rocket designs are going to end up looking the same? There's this, then Rocket Lab as well.

>>12019749
It got eaten by a Falcon.

>>12019873
It's pretty much the optimal design for a kerolox rocket unless you want to go full Korolev and add another two boosters, or scale all the way up to a Saturn. Hydrolox first stages look a lot alike, too (like SHIT lmao) - the Shuttle, SLS, Ariane, H-II, Delta IV, etc. all have strong family resemblance.

>>12019873
In the future everything is Starship derivatives. Including some crazy Iranian hypergolic Starship with 500 Scud engines, that will never work because Iran can't into flight automation

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1295369634259054592?s=20

oh my god please please please. I've been waiting since 2012. Please launch.

>>12019019

CGI of 20 km hop:
This looks so cool, I can't wait to see it in real life.

https://twitter.com/C_Bass3d/status/1295459409154498565

>>12019851
Or just fill it with a breathable liquid. That would be a totally bizarre experience

>>12019933
what is an example of a breathable liquid?

>>12019933
>floating immersed in liquid in 0g

man imagine...

>in a field!
>with a box of scraps!

>>12019935
I’m nowhere near an expert but I think things like perflourocarbon and certain glycol solutions can be safely inhaled, even in the liquid state. It’s a really cool field of study... I know some solutions can dissolve more oxygen than blood so you can breathe the liquid in and deliver a lot of oxygen to the body

>>12018957
That might reduce costs, but would reduce the payload SLS could carry to the moon.

>>12019928
No way it's landing back that close to the pad. I expect at least 3 RUD's on these tests.

>>12019933
>>12019937
Don't do this it destroys your diaphragm.

>>12019950
Idk, that old dude on the labpadre stream said he expects minimal RUD’s from here on out. Elon only wants to fly these things when he knows everything is 100% (hence why they get scrubbed all the time). There will no doubt be a few more explosions but they will most likely be very rare

>>12019957
My diaphragm has already been fucked by my low exercise, high juul intake lifestyle

>>12019928
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295473111081447424
>Very impressive render. Note, legs will be bigger & there’ll be way more stuff in engine bay. Main engines actually do majority of work in turning ship vertical before landing.

Imagine having an engine cut out as the landing burn starts.

>>12019967
That’s why there’s 3 baby

>>12019960
Go outside and do some cardio you fuck.

Just realized what SN stands for

>>12019974
Suge night?

>>12019974
Starship number?

>>12019991
i thought so but elon refers to raptors by SN

so

Serial Number

>>12019970
Will do

>>12019999
Nice quads. I strongly recommend the couch to 5k for beginners.

>>12020001
I still have the C25K app on my phone. Used to run a few miles every day but gave up on it. I want to get into rock climbing, especially before field camp for my geology degree

>>12020004
So THAT’S how you got the quads

Bros... I just ripped the fattest fart of my entire life, my right hand to God. I’ve noticed that usually, the loud farts tend to not smell as rancid as the silent ones that creep out of my asscrack with just a whisper. This was different. An absolutely suffocating aroma is drifting through the room currently, I can still smell it even as I type this. Since the fart was of my own making, I rather enjoy its pungent qualities. That being said, I have no doubt that if someone else were here to take a whiff, they’d run away screaming with their hand over their nose and mouth. How’s your day going, lads?

>>12020011

>>12020011
based /kspg/

>>12020011
>>12020015
What is it with /sfg/ and brapfags?

>>12020011

>>12019300
>mandatory streaming
gross

>>12020004
I gave up on running in favor of weightlifting but then I got back into it because COVID closed all the gyms.

Besides, I haven't been able to get to my antidepressants since March and I need more endorphins.

>>12019999
Wholesome digits.

>>12019995
He refers to both Starships AND engines with SN. Which triggers my autism more than the old Falcon 9 naming scheme.

>>12020019
Hypergolic memes.

>>12019836
water is more dense than liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, slightly more dense than kerosene. The reason SpaceX uses RP-1 kerosene instead of hydrogen is density and non-cyrogenic, although the cryogenic part is less because you can go deeper cryogenic for more density.

But yes, LiPo batters heating water into steam, no. That shit seems very unlikely to be practical.

>>12019967
>Imagine having an engine cut out as the landing burn starts.

There was a time when jet engines frequently flamed out and failed in flight. Why do you think that the 737-sized 707 and all other early airliners flew with 4 engines?

Musk just wants to bring 1960s airliner-tier reliability to rocket engines.

>>12020031
>>Musk just wants to bring 1960s airliner-tier reliability to rocket engines.

thats a really good fucking idea

>>12020011
>Bros... I just ripped the fattest fart of my entire life, my right hand to God. I’ve noticed that usually, the loud farts tend to not smell as rancid as the silent ones that creep out of my asscrack with just a whisper. This was different. An absolutely suffocating aroma is drifting through the room currently, I can still smell it even as I type this. Since the fart was of my own making, I rather enjoy its pungent qualities. That being said, I have no doubt that if someone else were here to take a whiff, they’d run away screaming with their hand over their nose and mouth. How’s your day going, lads?

>>12020041
>thats a really good fucking idea

The F-1 and every major engine family tied to 1960s NASA spaceflight in the Von Brain era was basically the space version of WWII wunderwaffe shit like the Me-163 or the Me-262 where nobody cared about reliably or time between major overhauls so long as it hit the right insane performance thresholds.

The problem is that that attitude persisted within rocketry post-Apollo, spurred on by aerospace contractors wanting to make big bucks on shit that needed to be rebuilt for each new launch (or essentially rebuilt in the case of the SSME), which in turn has fucked access to space since we're still stuck in 1942-era jet engines when it comes to rocket reliability.

>>12020066
Elon leads the way then, I'm glad we have new space to shake up old space

>>12020024
Just wait until nosecones and super Heavy become things. 4 different types of SN's :)

>>12020066
Out of curiosity, were any of you aware of this before spacex made their breakthrough? Before the first F9 landing I always assumed NASA & Co. was top-notch technology. Elon has brought a weird paradigm shift where I suddenly realize how shitty oldspace is

>>12020105
I was disappointed when I found out about how much rebuilding the shuttle, particularly the RS-25s, needed between flights.

If there was a /SFG/ KSP mod, what would it look like?

>>12020138
Frogs replacing Kerbals, PROONTing parts, terrifying shit like chlorine trifluoride propellant, and orbital yeet trains.

>>12020138
Probably just RSS with a shit ton of mods

>Delta III
What’s your opinion on her? The last of the “True” Thor/Delta vehicles. And yes rockets are female.

EXPENDABLE
HYDROLOX
SPACEPLANES

>>12020149
>giant flying firecocks
>female
uhhhh

>>12020155
OwO

>>12020138

>>12020155
>vessels
>female
Yes

>>12020145
>orbital yeet trains
Did somebody say "full lunar mission with less than a billion dollars in FH launches?"

>>12020131
Yes, the shuttle was the epitome of cool as a kid, but the more I find out about it the more depressed I get. Its whole existence was a problem

if you think about it, satellites are basically sperm

project rheinberry when bros?

>>12020155
Would you stop posting this bait every thread? Ships are female, it's not even something that is in dispute outside of the people who think gender doesn't exist. Historic German warships are irrelevant.

>>12020190
maybe in thailand

I've only known of /sfg/ for a few months but I've been visiting it regularly and it's really great, aside from the political shitposting but that can't really be avoided anywhere on the internet.
I just wanted to say thanks to the people that make interesting topics for discussions, funny memes, and other things that make it a fun general. /sfg/ is the only part of 4chan I visit now (apart from furry porn generals of course)

>>12020169
The best part of that mission spec is if the payload stage is really Dragon plus service module plus LEM, Dragon weighs less than 9t fully loaded and crewed. You actually have a ton of wiggle room to recreate Apollo.

>>12020191
Why does it offend you? How many times are you going to have the same conversation about it?

>>12020178
>I-I-I'm g-onnAAAAA

>>12018901
They basically work like how a sail works to let a boat get pushed by wind even when it's already sailing faster than the wind.

>>12020105
I always assumed that nasa was the very best that there was, the most advanced technology invented by geniuses. That the high cost was the result of the need of perfection in spaceflight and that precision engineering went into every decision. The only things that gave me an inkling that things were wrong was sitting in school and seeing the poster of American rockets, with the tiny V-2 compared to the Redstone, Saturn V, and then shuttle. But when I saw that the shuttle was the newest one yet not the biggest or most capable I knew something was wrong, along with never returning to the moon. I also ate the bait 100% when Neil Armstrong took a giant shit on SpaceX at the congressional hearing. I figured that the government had the resources to do space right, private companies were to motivated by greed and they'd never get it done. It wasn't until Elon got results better than the last few decades that spoke for themselves that I realized the truth and how I had things backwards.

friendly reminder that vulcan is CANONICALLY male

>>12018901
hullo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5l3CHWoHSI

>>12020212
Tory also calls Atlas male. He is a dum.

>>12020210
>when Neil Armstrong took a giant shit on SpaceX at the congressional hearing
Source on that? Sounds depressing.

>>12019554
>>12019568
>>12019582
>Selenium compound required for longterm manned space travel
>selenium compounds are extremely 'fragrant'
>https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2012/05/15/things_i_wont_work_with_selenophenol
Imagine the smell.

>>12020212
Gross.

Starship is that 6’6 Volleyball muscular Amazon girl who bullies manlet Vulcan on a daily basis. I always pictures Starship as having the personality of that one girl from Clueless.

>>12019818
>that plume
That steam is wet as FUCK, they aren't getting better than 80 Isp with that piece of shit.

>>12020200
Spacex should modify a used dragon into a lunar sample return lander. Launch it on a Fheavy. It lands, scoops up several kilos of moon. Then a small inboard rocket sends it back to spalshdown on earth. Elon auctions it off by the gram to cover the expenses. Saving the biggest piece for a ring he wears around Bezos.

>>12020212
Him(female). So proud of ULA for having the first transgender rocket! This is true innovation, fuck SpaceX.

>>12019941
That thing is pretty

>>12019967
All it takes is one, so they have three for redundancy.

>>12019941
Rockomax be like:
>NO CROSSFEED!

>>12020160
Funnily enough, my gameplay is like that.

>>12020160
I hate new Illinois nazis

>>12020221
>Falcon Heavy extended fairing beats Centaur for most payloads while being more reusable
is ULA even trying?

>>12020241
No.

Oldspace is a money laundering operation for DOD black projects.

>>12020237
excellent flag

>>12020160
wrong flag

>>12020237
fucking beautiful

>>12019550
>B R A S S
>P E N I S

>>12019550
never forget the Alamo

>>12020298
took long enough

>>12019723
>What a fucking mad nigger monkey sends dogs to die in a reentry burn?
Not the Americans surely

sheepbros, why is she so perfect?

>>12020317
wrong thread?

>>12020317
anon, I...

>>12020318
>>12020319
pardon, i have 50 tabs

>>12020317
why didnt we use sheep instead of dogs and chimps?

>>12020320
heh
I don't recognize your anime girl
cute horns

depot

>>12019021
somekind of unknown matter propulsion. i don't know how they handle extreme Gs though. maybe if there we aren't any passengers in it, just a drone? but what if alien life can sustain 1000 G

>>12020321
too big

>>12020329
cut off the legs

>>12020215
https://youtu.be/M2CKSYMW-M0

>>12020333
Is that guy using Curious Droid's intro?

>>12019021
Direct manipulation of spacetime to pull thrust out of its ass without a reaction drive.

>>12020328
>don't know how they handle extreme Gs though
The propulsion system probably employs some sort of field effect that accelerates everything within it uniformly. No Gs at all.

>>12020339
it might be some kind of open source thing

How will the plumbing for the header tank work on the cargo variant of Starship?

>>12020379
What header tank?

>>12020379
Poorly for the first few versions, then better and better.

>>12020379
pipe down the edge
it doesn't need to be super large, and the useable diameter of the payload bay is specced as only 8m out of 9m

>>12019730
Israelis have to launch their rockets against the rotation of the earth to avoid angering and arming their hostile neighbors by dropping advanced rocket parts on them. This lowers the payload they can put into to low earth orbit by like half.

>>12020438
it's why their moon probe rode on a Falcon 9 rideshare.

>>12020438
>the Israelis are too busy being cryptosemites to do space

>>12020464
I'm sure they'll find SOME reason to get more into space.

Starlink launch tomorrow. Launch thread will be up as always

>>12020438
Just do like China and use lots of hypergolics in the first stage and boosters.

>good news
I finally landed on the mun and got back into an orbit
>bad news
I accidentally the return trajectory

>>12020495
yeah, that's a tricky one, there
I recommend reloading a save

>>12020495
I did the same but for Minmus and got back.

>>12020379
lol Elon heard you
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295602798424477696

>>12020495
how do you fuck up this bad when modern KSP has mechjeb built into the SAS?

>>12020610
>get into orbit around the Mun
>burn prograde to escape the Mun
>be on the wrong side of the Mun when you do this like a fucking chump
>shoot your goo into heliocentric orbit
just a guess

do you think Char visits gainstation 13

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295495834998513664?s=21


330 bar...wow. last year, they were at 270 and wersnt even sure theyd go to 300. Theyre going to crack 400 by the time this thing starts flying.

>>12020627
all the newfags use maneuver nodes for every single burn though

>>12018463
Do you play with RP-1 or RO only?

Why isnt anyone here talking about the massive Raptor engine news?

>>12019837
>Most of them think rockets are extremely polluting
How could they talk shit about rockets! We only use the cleanest hypergolics with the most green solid rocket boosters there are.

>>12020658
>Theyre going to crack 400 by the time this thing starts flying
There are physical limitations to trend lines.

>>12020732
There are no brakes on the full thrust train.

>>12020679
That based AMERICAN PATRIOT uses the only fuel permitted in gods glorious district, American made Hydrolox, gods rocket fuel, that same fuel that launched Patriots to to space in the Apex of launch tech, the American made Space Shuttle

>>12020658
Reminder that if the ~225 ton force number he's quoting is correct, that's ~2240kN at 330 bar.

>>12019648
Bro, just imagine when they start flying those rockets and Muellers team have exponentially more data to work with so they can further ootimise their engines and tanks, like they did with the Merlin? 400 bar seems probable by the time the start flying the cargo version.

SH/SS is surely going to be 130m + tall. Bezos might aswell give up on the commercial market. I dont know how anyone is going to catch up to the Elon/Mueller/Shotwell super team.

>>12020732
Alright, but if they do crack the 350 bar mark with longer firing times, and reusability by the time SS/SH is operational at around 2023, doesnt that still change the game? They are already nipping at the toes of Blue Origins Be4, despite significantly being lighter. Elon thinks they can optimise for a better thrust/weight ratio than the king of efficiency, the Merlin engine. Surely this is huge news, and shows that the Raptor has a much higher petformance ceiling than what they initially believed.

>>12020769
>nipping at the toes of Blue Origins Be4
Dude, it blows BE-4 out of the water. BE-4 is a huge clunker they're going to fit 2 of on a Vulcan.
Raptor is something you could fit 5 of in the same space.
TWR is king and BE-4 ain't it, chief.

BE-4 runs a chamber pressure of 134 bar.

>>12020732
>implying based memelon engines need to adhere to physics
It‘s gonna have so much pressure it’s just gonna fuse Methane and Oxygen and by this time next month it‘s gonna become a torch drive! I‘m already on the phone to buy some Trappist real estate.

>>12020741
I asked about the mods used, your reading comprehension is astounding... Okay, I can rephrase: career or sandbox?

>>12018494
about 2,000,000 of these

>>12018775
wow a duopoly, much better

>>12020792
I feel like the september update is going to be big. No way Elon is going to keep things the same for SH/SS when Muellers here is absolutely mogging everyone else in engine development. Either a non insignificant bump in height and payload capacity or SS is gonna be an SSTO for Earth to Earth.

I want to see how a F9 upper stage running a single vacuum Raptor would perform too.
Get to it, Memelon.

>>12020892
Well, it develops significantly more than twice the thrust of the Merlin 1D, and has 380s ISP compared to the Merlin's 348s. If it's ISP were to increase comensurate to chamber pressure, the increase of 10% would give it somewhere in the ballpark of 418s, I'd be surprised though if it actually managed to crack 400s though, but even that puts it closer to the efficiency of the Hydromeme rockets. Of course, it might crack that without needing the uprating, because so far we're getting the ISP of the sea-level optimized Raptor. For example, look at the SL Merlin 1D versus the VAC Merlin 1D, the expansion bell gives the vacuum Merlin 38s more ISP compared to it's SL counterpart.
For the sake of fun, let's assume Raptor 1B reaches 400s of ISP with it's increased chamber pressures, if a vacuum expansion bell is added and it confers the same 12.2% increase in ISP as the VAC Merlin 1D's bell, then the actual ISP of the uprated VAC Raptor should be 448.8s or only about 4s off the ISP of the RS-25. Even if we were to half the gains of that expansion bell, it would make VAC Raptor's ISP around 424, solidly in the same playing field as the LOX/LH2 engines, but with much smaller tankage, and much higher TWR.

>>12021095
Yeah I don't want to see napkin maths on it, I want to see it fly.

>>12019723
No not the woofer doggo pupperino etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMJK7wb0rM&feature=emb_title

Starlink webcast live in ~66minutes. Weather looks good from the L-1 forecast, only 20% chance of weather violation.

>>12021098
Math tells you something about how it might fly brainlet. If my assumptions are relatively close to reality in the end it would be comparable in thrust, nearly comparable in ISP to the RS-25, but the engines themselves will be 30% or more lighter, it's tanks could be probably close to half the size to store the same mass of propellant.

>>12021120
Stop taking everything as a personal attack. It wasn't one.

Starlink-L10 launch thread
>>12021133
>>12021133
>>12021133

BE-4? More like BTFO.

>>12018724
tfw RSS/RO won't work for me :(

>>12021176
Are you running 1.8.1, the only civilized version of the game?