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12014874 No.12014874 [Reply] [Original]

Did it actually rotate? All the gimbal operators/technicians that chimed-in said it actually did rotate based on the video, but Mick West gives a somewhat convincing explanation that it's due to glare and the de-rotation mechanics of the gimbal. So which is it?

>> No.12014881

>>12014874
The pilots said it was rotating and were bewildered by it.

>> No.12014944

>>12014874
https://imgur.com/Ds5mwu8

There are clear reflection/optical effects that rotate in perfect unison with the object, indicating the rotation must be internal to the camera. Doesn't really need any further analysis.

>> No.12015060

>>12014944
>clear
Not so clear in the original video. Not sure how convincing heavily edited gifs are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1uLwUTDA0

>> No.12015078

>>12015060
The gif has the original unedited footage on the left. That video is a lower quality version but you can still see the reflections anyway.

>> No.12015197

>>12014944

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmdSsszf5g

>> No.12015199

>>12014944

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefUZAGtCO4&t=7s

>> No.12015220

>>12015078
Could it be that mechanisms internal to the camera are tracking the rotation of the object by rotating themselves?

>> No.12015243

>>12015199
This is a very weird argument. He's basically saying that rotating a camera will rotate everything in the scene equally, and there's no way to make an object in a scene rotate relative to the background or the horizon by rotating the camera. Well no shit sherlock, that's obvious to anyone that knows anything about how cameras or optics work.

The question is whether there is an actual object rotating or if it is a flare effect which is inside the camera or lens, in which case the thing that is rotating is not in the "scene" at all.

>> No.12015263

>>12015220
That would also be possible, although there doesn't seem to be any reason why that would happen. All we can see is that something in the camera is rotating in exact sync with the rotation of the object, simplest explanation being that the object's "rotation" is the same as the camera's, but it could also be what you said.

>> No.12015290

>>12015197
i will take the opinion of an actual atflir engineer over a videogame developer anytime, so yeah the object rotating

>> No.12015439

>>12014874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVqKmUaaok

>> No.12015472

>>12015197
>>12015199
>West doesn't know ATFLIR's exact inner workings.
>Falch isn't familiar with the ATFLIR system himself and keeps talking beside the point because he doesn't understand West's explanation.
>Corbell doesn't understand it either and asks Ehrhart the wrong questions.
These debunking and dedebunking attempts are a timesink if the DoD has better evidence and disclosure was actually happening anytime soon.

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12015491

>>12015290
>I will shut off my brain and listen to whomever I think is most qualified, as long as they tell me what I want to hear