/sci/ - Science & Math

First for BIG G.

>>12004475
first for foam Hydrolox first stages with strap on SRB boosters

>tfw you can still build a rotating habitat on the Moon, you just have to angle the floor slightly.
Neat

Orbital

>>12004498
Propellant

>>12004501
Depots

>>12004506
Now

>boing

>>12004498
>>12004501
>>12004506
>12004506
>>12004509
CUT THIS MANS FUNDING he's a threat to the true PATRIOTS rocket, that brings valuable job to AMERICAN taxpayers

>>12004498
>>12004501
>>12004506
>>12004509
WHY I OUGHTA!

what he doing

>>12004532

Nice thumbnail.

>>12004488
*pop*

>>12004548
fug

>>12004556
dere

>>12004475
What are we gonna do with the bacteria we inevitably find on Mars?

>>12004532
What is this, a spaceship for ants?

I just wanna see Zero G aerobatics in the starship crew cabin bro's, like in Skylab
I'm sick of this cramped garbage we get on the ISS

>>12004532
That’s the control seat

>>12004563

>>12004558
hide and seek champion 2020

>>12004569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu9rSFHpxT0

>>12004532
>>12004558

Don't mind me, just coming within 44 meters of an asteroid

>>12004707

>>12004707
>2 billion
>SS launch costs predicted 2 million
literally 1000x the difference

>>12004707
they actually think people will pay commercially for this!

>>12004711
Starship can cost nearly $400M dollars per launch before it becomes less cost effective than the Falcon 9. That's more than a Delta IV Heavy.

>>12004727
but even then it would be far superior to anything else on the market

>>12004707
>>12004711
>For the price of 1 SLS you get 1000 Starship launches
>If each SS needs 5 tankers that's 166 Starships
>If each carries 50 people to Mars that's more than 8,300 people
>An entire colony
>For the price of one SLS launch

>>12004733
>>12004744
It's almost as if Capitalism works

>>12004727
$/kg isn't everything, especially since nobody has 100t payloads to launch, but yeah, if they get near their cost target, it will be absolutely ridiculous

>>12004757
>$/kg isn't everything
It is for colonization.

>>12004757
You might have 2 customers with 50t payloads, or 100 with 1 ton.

Will the next launch be challenger 2?

>>12004756
Correct. That is the truth, and the only truth. Capitalism works. The only question is where the optimal point between absolutely no regulation and strong government oversight lies.

>>12004757
>nobody has 100t payloads to launch
And nobody will until they have something to launch them on

>spacex has been quiet about winning the 40% of military launches
>reason being is that they are currently suing the air force over the process
>and possibly preparing another lawsuit over the final awards
>they cant drop the lawsuit because it will cause complications, so the only way forward may be further lawsuits
https://qz.com/emails/space-business/1891261/

spacex dug themselves a deep hole

>>12004771
Zero regulation.

>>12004780
read The Jungle

>>12004778
If Air Force is playing by different rules when it comes to ULA and giving them special favors, they'll be fucked.

>>12004797
>Read socialist propaganda

No.

>>12004695
Neat.

>>12004780
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

>>12004778
Fuck Old Space, Musk just added more than $10 billion to his pocket in just two days, SpaceX is at stronger position than many years ago, they can do whatever they want.

>>12004770
no, but we'll probably get a Starship doing a Columbia at some point

>>12004881
For every clear answer there's a stupid little platitude that someone will retort with

>>12004881
Okay, OldSpace.

>>12004744
And the first flight is literally just an empty mission around the moon.

>>12004757
The low $/kg is about making colonization possible.

>>12004711
Best case scenario
>>12004707
A high estimate
I'm all for saying fuck you to NASA but you guys are being retarded.

>>12004757
>especially since nobody has 100t payloads to launch
Chicken and egg.

>>12004965
Elon's colonization plans rely heavily on below 50$/kg to orbit, so I think he's really gonna push hard for reaching that goal, but it might take 5-10 years to do so. I could see them reaching in the ballpark of 10m/20m a launch within a year or two of orbital.

I could absolutely see SpaceX offering discounts if you actually manage to fill the payload mass

>>12004892
First city on Mars is literally just going to be privately paid Muskville at this rate.
I mean Tesla is already going through the roof, making Elon one of the richest men in the world based on his shares.
And Tesla haven't even gotten to their real master plan which is full self-driving.
Same with SpaceX and Starlink. That's only now about to kick in.
I guess Boring Company isn't gonna rake in that much.
But even though Neuralink is going to be a crapshot, if that were to live up to its ultimate potential at some point, its sales would make smartphones look pathetic. Everyone would need to get a chip in their head or choose to move under a bridge.
So if noone's gonna build a colony on Mars Elon will just be able to do it himself at the rate that this is going.

>>12004982
Forgot to add. If Elon owns the only colony on Mars. He governs the human population on Mars. Making him ruler.

>>12004982
Elon is absolutely angling himself to become Emperor of Sol

>>12004797
A book based on lies and political propaganda.

>>12004965
>A high estimate
>I'm all for saying fuck you to NASA but you guys are being retarded.
The engines alone will cost more than $580 million, $146 million each. Despite them being designed decades ago. Despite them already getting paid separately to restart the production line. And then they dump them in the ocean despite being reusable, what a joke. Thank God Elon is exposing these frauds.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/nasa-will-pay-a-staggering-146-million-for-each-sls-rocket-engine/

>>12004982
oh shit someone actually saved the image i made

>>12005001
it's really really good
somebody needs to clean up or redo this one

>>12004982
>But even though Neuralink is going to be a crapshot, if that were to live up to its ultimate potential at some point, its sales would make smartphones look pathetic. Everyone would need to get a chip in their head or choose to move under a bridge.
lol no

>>12004989
Democracy; the god that failed.

>>12004982
>Everyone would need to get a chip in their head or choose to move under a bridge.

>>12005006
what's the original pic?

>tourists will have to literally shit in front of each other if they take a ride on dragon 2
yeah im not riding to the moon in that

>>12005035
There's a curtain

>>12004982
>>12005006
Let's guess the name of the first city on Mars
>Muskville
>Muskovy
>Elonium
>(Name of first man on Mars)'s Landing
>New (some earth city)
>something gay like Hope or cringe like Ares
>Underhill
Any ideas?

>>12005035
>yeah im not riding to the moon in that
dragon 2 will never go to the moon, only starship

>>12005035
>Being afraid of shitting in front of other dudes

You need to let go of dumb inhibitions.

>>12005038
New Boca Chica for the mars spaceport

>>12005038
arcadia

>>12005038
What’s wrong with naming it after the badass god of killing?

>>12005041
its not me im worried about

>>12005038
Zubrin.

Simple,futuristic, and honors the OG of Martian colonial autism.

>>12005038
Wakanda.

>>12005046
Comes across as too edgelord and too obvious Mars = Ares. In real life I think the name will be something less planned and reverent and more practical to Martian colonists. Unless it's Elon's company town then anything goes.

>>12004532
can i has pixels?

>>12005038
New Vinland.

>>12005038
Alpha

>>12005038
Either Romulus, Remus or Cupid

>>12005081
aeiou

JANUARY 20TH, 2021:
>A-alright listen here Jack, h-h-here's the deal. No more of this "Artemis" crap. We need to t-think big. I 'member when my d-dad, well he landed on the Moon. Man could he fly a, wel, anyways. That's why I'm committing us to p-put a man on Venus by 2030.
Wyd?

>>12005027
it's one of the Command and Conquer games, I think
the architecture is distinctly Brotherhood of Nod, I think it's Kane behind the podium

>>12005095
sure, Joe
then keep working on Gateway and buy a few Starship rides to the Lunar surface

>>12005095
Wake up and wonder why Joe Biden showed up in my dreams

>>12005068
War is badass. Martian independence war when?

>>12005095
>Alright day we’re landing on the Moon in five years I remember when Kennedy said he was going to the moon how’s the guy I haven’t seen him in a few months and what’s up with this “Elon” my caretaker told me about? I heard he’s South African but if he’s black then maybe he is a vote for the democrat cock us cat cau cau caucus caucus a vote for the democrat black demo black I remember the black kids touched my hair legs and I got to sit in the pool with the legs legs of all colors black brown white yellow gook chink legs all colors in the pool make it up

>>12005038
New Pretoria

Air Force doesn't want give Space Force X37B haha
It seems SpaceX should build a fleet Starship for Space Force.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rachelkaras/status/1293912844295999494

>>12005097
Kek you couldn't be more farr off, you uncultured brat.
>>12005027
It's a scene from Pink Floyd's The Wall.

>>12005114
Terrible bidenpost. Lurk moar.

>>12005095
Support SpaceX some more.

>>12005124
>NOOOO YOU CANT TAKE THE X-37B IF WE LOSE IT WELL BECOME THE SHITTY BRANCH!

>>12005095
wouldn't even be mad
virgin martian cave dwellers vs chad venisuan submariners

>>12005095
Laugh as Scott Manley and Estrogenaut make videos on why this is a great idea and whatnot

>>12005126
oh, sure, Pink Floyd's The Wall
I never watched the videos for that, good album though
Everybody talks about Part II but the rest of the album is really good

>>12005137
Where does this meme even come from?

>>12005124
That sorta ugly disagreement wasn't expected but we knew why Space Force was formed. To get away from Air Force's old bureaucratic ways and legacy connections.

Space Force will likely go with Starship for rapid reusable vehicle while Air Force will either maintain the tiny X37B or retire it.

>>12005142
Really if you didn't watch the movie then you only got half the experience from the album.

>>12004982
I tried to make it better? You like it?

Despite the air being very thin, the wind on Mars is strong enough to form dust devils and throw parachutes around

>>12005124
What the fuck are we? Imperial Japan? We shouldn't have infighting between the military like this.

>>12005038
New Rhodesia. Mars will be Aryan. Maybe Asian, with a few token black people just to keep the rabbis quiet.

>>12005124
>Says the AF RCO has learned a lot about reusable spacecraft from the program
And where was this reusability for the past 16 years?

>>12005153
okay, cool

>>12005112
I do think the Roman God Mars could become a symbol of an independent Martian government, on their seal etc. With all the farming and protection against the planet, the colonists will have to conquer nature to survive. And if they ever have to fight and win a war of independence it fits as well.
>Virility as a kind of life force (vis) or virtue (virtus) is an essential characteristic of Mars.[31] As an agricultural guardian, he directs his energies toward creating conditions that allow crops to grow, which may include warding off hostile forces of nature.[32]

>The priesthood of the Arval Brothers called on Mars to drive off "rust" (lues), with its double meaning of wheat fungus and the red oxides that affect metal, a threat to both iron farm implements and weaponry. In the surviving text of their hymn, the Arval Brothers invoked Mars as ferus, "savage" or "feral" like a wild animal.[33]

>Mars's potential for savagery is expressed in his obscure connections to the wild woodlands, and he may even have originated as a god of the wild, beyond the boundaries set by humans, and thus a force to be propitiated.[34] In his book on farming, Cato invokes Mars Silvanus for a ritual to be carried out in silva, in the woods, an uncultivated place that if not held within bounds can threaten to overtake the fields needed for crops.[35] Mars's character as an agricultural god may derive solely from his role as a defender and protector,[36] or may be inseparable from his warrior nature,[37] as the leaping of his armed priests the Salii was meant to quicken the growth of crops.[38

>>12005154
somebody tweet this to elon

>>12005159
Some blacks are actually capable. Don’t knock the entire race

>>12005166
That's the token black people I mentioned. If we're gonna have diversity, make it good diversity.

>>12005166
Mars will consist of based black men and thick black women alongside Aryans and Russians too as well as the Japanese

>>12005168
if they got there on merit it's not tokenism

>>12005169
no Slavs
maybe some Finns

I honestly don't get the Münley and Estrogen hate in /sfg/, seriously. Yeah, they might be leftist tards, but who cares? They make quality content and they genuinely like space.

>>12005176
Munley made a video entirely about bashing flat earthers, which was lame
I thought he was above that sort of thing, desu

>>12005176
People dislike people with different value judgements.

>>12005169
Will the whites be living in orbit or something? Jews won't be on Mars, every flight they hitch a ride on explodes.

>>12005154
Flip the head then recomp it in. The light is hitting the head from the left and the scene is lit from the right. Fix it and you may have a winner on your hands.... (Oh, and jump into the curves or levels and give the head a little more red and/or a little less green.)

>>12005162
oh shit I just got 'okay boomer'ed
kek

>>12005187
I totally believe you but I'm not going to look into it any farther
probably going to listen to Diamond Head the white album again

>>12005176
estronaut is just a pathetic sycophant which is cringey and hard to look at, but sometimes Manley's opinions are swayed simply because of who is behind something and what their politics are which can be annoying

>>12005178
lol wait what
I think everyone should agree flat earthers are to be made fun of at all times, regardless of politics

>>12005038
Cool kids club

>>12005190
Yeah, he can be cringey sometimes, depends on the viewer, but at the end of the day, he tries to publicize space. More people interested in space is always a good thing,

>>12005195
yeah but making a video patting yourself on the back for owning flattards isn't... cool
same with his pop sci-fi stuff, it's lame
>>12005197
the Treehouse

>>12005176
Well, Scott does oddly overlook the blunders the Obama administration did in space flight. He does seem to have a political bias. That in of itself isn't surprising nor damning, but he does need to be called out on it when it happens.

>>12005201
Musk should name it something really immature for lols

>>12005154
We need domed city.

>>12005207
he's already making people repeatedly say sex on live television with SpaceX

I can't wait for election season to be over.

>>12005006
I found the exact picture that uses, but it has ugly watermarks. How's this for a quick hack job? Musk is starting to get quite chonky though. Guess the stress from DM-2 had him eating lots of sugar.

>>12005215
lol nice

>>12005218
I could try to turn the others into pad ninja with time maybe.

>>12005204
True, but calling out someone and literally hating on someone are two different things. People aren't black and white. You're free to criticize people for things they do, but at the same time like them for what they're doing.

>>12005219

>>12005189
Great taste my friend. Now let us get back to spaceflight

>>12005222
Elon LIVES!!!

>>12005223
no we're busy talking about spaceflight adjacent topics, like shooping Elon's face onto dictators and posting about how Shelby's soul is bound by gravity (which is why he can't fly)
Mars is really such a nice planet, so much red

Road closures announed. Cryo proof test this weekend (sunday and (monday-tuesday for backup))

>>12005228
truly a magical place this is

>>12005237
>/sfg/ - pisslocks and space dictators.
Almost as magical as /k/

>>12005038
Cunnyworld

>>12005242
wrong Char

>>12005038
Pisslock Prime

How doomed is Roscosmos going into 2021?

>>12005221
>True, but calling out someone and literally hating on someone are two different things.
Fair, I'm not one of those haters, but that fair point of criticism is often the starting point for hating. Some people just want to hate on something for any semi-plausible reason.

>>12005240
>/k/
28th Amendment when?

>>12005215
>Is there any Hydrolox on the launchpad tonight?
>GET IT UP AGAINST THE WALL!
>That one in the spotlight? Is that a solid booster?
>GET IT UP AGAINST THE WALL!
>That one looks hypergolic!
>And that one's on Ethanol!
>Who let all of this cost plus into the room?
>There's one building with foam
>And even a solar sail?
>IF I HAD MY WAY
>I'D HAVE ALL OF YOU SPACED

>>12005254
They're the underfunded space program of a failing state, it's pretty much over.

>>12005186

>>12005114
Why would anyone make this face? What does it represent?
And what is the point of this image? Somebody spent at least 15 minutes finding these pictures and putting them together and thought "this is a good image, it means something, I should post it."

>>12005176
Alt-right pussies cry about everyone and everything that's different

>>12005254
>>12005263
Depends how much money China gives them for the remaining tech they haven't sold them yet.

>>12005271
busybodies on the left and right both cry about everything

>>12005197
Kool Kids Klub

>>12005265
Someone’s butthurt

> Why would anyone make this face?

I dunno ask the people who look like that

SpaceX making weapons and teleporters when?

>>12005291
the Martian Atomic Research Energy Suite will be online shortly

>>12005291
I hope SpaceX creates a cool secret R&D division like skunkworks with an equally as iconic name

>>12005311
Pedo Guy Studios

>>12005038
New New York

>>12005311
Muskworks

>>12005330
Perfect

>>12005330
Based

>>12005311
Justwerks

>>12005311
Shelby Experimental Technology Depot

>>12005360
That's for Bethesda's future space branch.

>>12005215
Someone replace the crossed hammers with a stainless steel SpaceX X logo and replace the background guy with Starman.

>>12005364
>Shelby Memorial Orbital Depot, est. 2025

>>12005372
Yeah, this was a 10 minute job. I intend to work more on it, maybe change the grunts into pad ninjas or whatever.

Made a few additions to the pic, such as the sun in the backround, Neuralink receiver on his left temple and the rank of Emperor on his coat

>COPEanhagan suborbitals

>>12005364
it needs to spell SHED though

>>12005381
get rid of the fuck boing please, something so petty doesn't belong in this celebration of Elon

>>12005391
shelby high energy depot

>>12005399
That's the name for the SpaceX commercial module for Gateway

>>12005394
the funny thing is, that's been there the whole time. you're the first one to actually point it out

>>12005407
I know, I just went back and checked

>>12005412
Boing is now gone

HYPERGOLIC CORE STAGE SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO SRB SIR, THANKYOU

>>12005394
That’s been there the entire time LOL

>>12005431
imagine an RUD with that. There's no chance of survival

>>12005385
make your own rocket then

uuhhhhhhhhhhh, Elon?

>>12005431
>india is gonna launch people into space on this deathtrap

>>12005447
Don’t know anything about it.

>>12005264
excellent

>>12005431

>>12005441
WE ARE REACHING DANGEROUS LEVELS OF BASED

>>12005441
We must stop him before the contractors are gone completely!

Has any one of you /sfg/ bros got a space gf? How the fuck did you find one?

>>12005466
my gf hates space. We have a rule where when we go out on dates I don't talk about space and she doesn't talk about her coworkers.

>>12005466
I babble about it to my wife sometimes

>>12005469
I do that at work sometimes

>>12005447
That service tower does look undeniably badass.
I want India to really double down on spaceflight development, they have the economy and population to support it. They just have to avoid using Boing's programmers and instead have national talent-search initiatives to identify and enable the smart people from childhood. If India intentionally cultivated geniuses and pushed them into space development, the country could be a major player.

>>12005468
How could anyone hate space, seriously? What's wrong with her. I get the "space, meh, i don't care about it", but hating space? What's up with that kind of mindset?

>>12005468
>my gf hates space
Why? And how do you tolerate her?

>>12005449
https://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/India/LVM3/Description/Frame.htm

>>12005447
>and then she took on her many-armed form and said "I am become RUD, destroyer of poos"

>>12005473
Let's be honest, are you even a /sfg/ bro if you don't babble about space on daily basis?

>>12005468
>Hates space
She ain't worth it

>>12005447
are those fucking tents on the launch tower arms

>>12005486
Yeah, but he was able to use that to his advantage to get her to stop talking about her co-workers.

>>12005441
Are there any tweets where he takes a shit on SLS?

>>12005447
What are those two little things on the bottom of the SRBs?

>>12005475
>>12005478
>>12005486
it's fine, we have other things in common and I talk about SpaceX with my grandmother because she likes Elon Musk

>>12005023
based and tedpilled

>>12005505
> grandmother likes Musk
holy shit, based
also why?

>>12005505
that's nice

>>12005447
>all this shit right next to the launchpad
uhhhhhhhh

>>12005515
she is big into stock trading and made a ton of money off of Tesla. Although she didn't take my advice and bought virgin galactic stocks back when they had hype.

>>12005447
imagine the smell

>>12005522
snifff

>>12005311
>>12005364
Division for Experimental Propulsion and Orbital Technology. DEPOT for short.

>>12004532
He chillin

Sierra Nevada (Dreamchaser developer) is working on inflatable habs now. Looks like Bigelow wasn't the end after all.

https://www.sncorp.com/press-releases/snc-advances-habitat-development-for-nasa/

>>12005447
>>12005474
Service tower looks like that Indian god with 8 arms

>>12005558
>now
this is old news, but is it more recent info?

>>12005095
Artemis is just another hopeless project to keep SLS alive

Hey guys, I just dropped a Shelby off at the propellant depot.

>>12005559
Looks like they got a phase 3 grant from NASA for development.

Who is a fellow Aerospace Engineer here?

>>12005558
How much do inflatables inflate? How big of a module could fit in starship's 9 meter fairing?

>>12005466
My wife didn't care for space at all until I talked to her about it and my passion rubbed off on her. Now we watch SpaceX livestreams together, go stargazing, she has a poster of Mars above the couch, a SpaceX mug and she helped my build my lego Saturn V. And she actually understands it (like why rockets have to go sideways) not just a "pretending to be interested for attention" thing like women do.

>>12005558
50M ROTATING INFLATABLE HABITATS WHEN???

>>12005567
IIRC it's over 5x. You could put a 50m inflatable hab in Starship.

>>12005571
>>12005572
Absolutely based. Is 50m big enough for rotational gravity that won't make you nauseous?

>>12005581
That's basically the plan for Von Braun (excuse me, "Voyager") Station - a ton of big inflatables rotating around a central docking hub.

>>12005563
>paying for textbooks
I'm an Engineer working in Aerospace if that counts

>>12005558
>a single space debris 1mm in diameter punctures the single layer of plastic
>warning start screaming inside
>astronauts scramble to find the hole
>can't find it
>die horribly of asphyxiation

>>12005563
Master's degree AE here. I picked my degree when I was asked about it while I was playing KSP.

>>12005594
I'm still doing my Master. How's the job?

>>12005595
Inflatables are actually more resistant to impacts and radiation

>>12005264
It’s too real!

>>12005593
>starship at 2 million per launch
>launch 16 18x50m inflatables for 30 million plus whatever modules cost
>practice space construction by welding trusses and docking port
>spin gravity to Mars levels to test what it's like, if bones lose mass, etc
>cuck the Russians by putting it in radiation safe equitorial orbit
>make Musk Hotel and use the billions to fund Mars
The future is bright

Assuming I went through the trouble (and money) to give Mars an artificial magnetic field... how long would it take to pump enough gas into the atmosphere to make it 1 atm, with today’s technology?

>60 years later
bruh......

why can you launch into a higher inclination than your launch site no problems but not a lower one

>>12005605
boring, and slow. I interned at a different aerospace company and when I moved to this one I was hoping things would be a little more efficient, but it's basically the same. at least the project is cooler

>>12005502
I'm guessing it's just an aerodynamic housing for some equipment to monitor or control the SRB nozzles. Hard to find any info on them but they definitely aren't little boosters.

>>12005644
Boosters with boosters sounds fucking hilarious

>>12005639
Was it hard finding a job? Is it absolutely necessary to be a top of the line student? I fear I'll have problems because I had health issues during my university career that set me back for quite the number of years; also my grades are good but not really great.

>>12005154
Make him look like a Tech-Priest

>>12005657
>first stage-sep occurs before clearing the tower

What do you guys think?

>>12005613
[citation needed]

>>12005676
woah cool it with the racism there hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aptFXv-LGs
braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

>Names capsule Dragon
>Service module attached to Dragon is just called the trunk
“Trunk” just seems so out of place compared to the usual Spacex naming schemes

>>12005688
call it the dildo

>>12005688
It's just a trunk because it's empty. They'd call it the Dragon Tail or something if it were a service module with engines.

>>12005676
Solar is for the weak. Did some minor redesigning, this seems more efficient for docking multiple craft and maximizing internal volume.

>>12005700
kek

>>12005672
took me about 10 months after graduating and searching to find a job, but it should be noted the job I got I applied to 4 months into that search, it took them 6 months to actually close and evaluate applications for the post...

I had a 2.3 GPA, but only 2 of the companies I applied to asked for it. I didn't have to provide my transcript until after I had an offer letter so if you were set back, just don't put your school start date in your resume, only completion date (unless it's a mandatory form like most companies use, but I doubt anyone really cares desu)

>>12005595
That would take like a week to deflate

>he has to launch from high inclination
>he isn't even allowed to launch directly east
bruh
lmao

>>12005672
>>12005704
oh also I'm a leaf and our aerospace market is much smaller. I imagine there are way more opportunities in the US if that's where you are

>>12005711
No lol, I'm shitalian. It was my intention to leave this hopeless country anyway although we do have a bit of aerospace industry ourselves.

>>12005700
/pol/ station

>>12005724
Wrong. If it is tilted a few degrees, then it becomes /pol/ station.

>>12005711
based canadarm engineer

>>12005700
Solar Windmill of Peace Station 1

what's masten up to these days

>>12005700
Ok, that's enough shitposting from me tonight.

>>12005581
70m producing a .3g effect would be perfect.

Should an AI go to Mars? Will there be an AI on the Starship when it's transferring?

>>12005501
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1258477583877853184

>>12005770
>assembly of basic crossroads-style station
>deploys nazi solar cells when complete
kek

>>12005775
there's a flight computer
other than that, probably not much

>>12005775
AI in the way you're imagining won't be ready for a ling time still

>>12005786
It's actually not a bad layout for radiators since none of them interfere with each other or with another module. You could have the solar panels z-axis up from the center and docking port z-axis down, or vice versa.

>>12005774
>18m starships launching 70m inflata habs
>everyone gets to Mars and realizes they can just leave the big inflatables in Giant Swastika configuration like >>12005770 and leave the surface as a largely uninhabited construction zone until the dome cities are complete
>nobody has to use pisslocks or worry about proonted buttplug habs

>>12005311
Red Mesa

>>12005447
>>12005474
They could also easily harvest methane. Just harvest the street shit and siphon useful compounds from the poo in the many shanties scattered across the non-rich areas. Could that actually happen?

>>12005770
Well now I have to play KSP

>>12005638
It's easy to visualize if you're familiar with spherical geometry, and it's really trivial seen on video, but I have no idea how to make such video so I'll try my best to make it as simple as possible in words. TO KEEP EVERYTHING SIMPLE IMAGINE THERE'S ONLY EAST AND NORTH (the other directions will be the same since everything is symmetric).

Imagine to launch pointing north: you'd be going towards the north pole, and the orbital plane of your orbit would slice the Earth perpendicular to the equatorial plane, which is the maximum inclination any orbit can have (90°); doesn't matter where you are in the World, you'll be in a polar orbit. Now imagine to be at the equator and to be pointing east: your orbit from there would be at 0° of inclination and your orbital plane would lay perfectly on the equatorial plane. If you were to start pointing more and more towards the north the inclination of your orbit would rise consequently. So, to recap: pointing east minimum inclination, pointing north maximum inclination. Now the tricky part: by now you can imagine how the orbital plane is defined by where you're pointing at (basically your direction), but it's also defined by two other points:
>your position
obviously: the orbit and the orbital plane must pass through you
>the Earth's center
Because that's what you're orbiting around
That said, now imagine to be still pointing east, but to move your starting position away from the equator: since you're holding east you're at your minimum inclination, but because the orbital plane is defined by both those aforementioned points your orbital plane has to gain the same inclination of your geographical inclination. Since pointing north gives you the maximum inclination, if you were to move away from pointing east you'd be moving towards north, meaning that your orbital inclination has to become higher, which in turn means that your orbital inclination while pointing east is the minimum inclination you can reach.

>>12005311
Secret Headquarters Engineering Division

post your family photos bros

>>12005824
It would basically just be a public works project that incidentally produces methane, not a practical way to produce it in the first place.

>>12005557
damn, that was my first impression as well
>poo gods bless all of your launches

>>12005557
>>12005904
Bless these rockets.

>>12005441
>tfw he is right but you can tell he hurt Tory's feelings

awwww god damn it

>>12005711
>leaf plane gets cancelled and our aerospace talent leaks away like hydrogen
it's not fair leaf-bros...

why is the NK-33 and RD-58 families so based bros

my wife :)

>>12004707

It's like they're deliberately making sure manned space exploration and the space program itself rots into oblivion.

What the actual fuck.

>>12005949
Of course.

>>12005949
>It's like they're
>like
Like?

whats the smelliest rocket of all time :) haha

>>12005644
for this

>>12005990
>introducing shockwaves in your nozzle
>for the sake of gimbaling
Why would anyone do such a thing when nozzles can be mechanically gimbaled?

>>12006000
>gimballing solids
uhhhh

>>12006000
Injection gimballing is mechanically simpler than swiveling the nozzle.

>>12006003
The Shuttle/SLS SRBs have swiveling nozzles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHTNkSb4Bg

American politicians are sleeping with ULA contractors.

Reminder: ULA received 3x the funding of SpaceX, yet they have no reusable rockets

Americans are stinking corrupt, what the fuck

>>12006003
>not using SRB first stage
>not using smaller SRB second stage
>not using extreme-precision SRBs for transfer and orbit burns
>not landing on retro-SRBs
>not returning direct to re-entry on a single SRB from the Moon's surface
>not firing unnecessary retro-propulsive SRBs moments before splashdown
>not riding an SRB-assisted chinook back to the VAB
>not strapping a JATO to your car to get home from space center skipping traffic

>>12005886
I'm somewhat reworking my rockets right now, and I'm not working in RSS/RO right now, I think I'm actually going to generate a second completely separate KSP save for that. Here's my contribution to the growing list of KSP Falcon-9 ripoffs. The incredibly unimaginative R-1U, Rocket, No. 1, Configuration U (uncrewed). There will of course be an R-1C, an R-1N (nuclear upper stage), then an R-2, R-3, and probably an R-4 as well, ascending from ten tons, to twenty, then fifty, and finally 100.
The R-1 isn't configured for reuse right now, but it could be easily with the addition of a small propellant reservoir and some grid fins/parachutes. It's got a TWR over 3 so adding more mass to the lower stage won't hurt it much.

>>12004707
>>12004711
why are they using different criteria?
what's the cost per launch after development for starship?

>>12005627
Popsci nigger. Go complain about starlink on reddit while you pray that SLS can terraform mars

>regular small engines just show the surface inside the nozzle when you clip them inside so they are flush with the exterior
>internal RCS parts do some magic to hide the surface inside the nozzle so you can see down inside even when they are flush with the exterior, but since can't set them as main engines instead of RCS it's a pain in the ass using them with mechjeb
>come up with a GALAXY BRAIN solution that lets me use regular engines while still having the appearance of the internal RCS ports
damn it feels good to be smart bros

>>12006050
3 more days till cryotest

>>12006024
>making rockets that fit inside the VAB
bro....

>>12006057
It's a 10 ton launcher Anon, unfortunately due to a tight schedule I don't have time to fiddle with super large rockets right now. I'll make something more fun on the weekend.

>>12006000
Would not a peripheral arrange help and act as s nozzle to achieve better efficiency on higher heights? Instead of using the aerospike?

>>12006039
What the fuck are you talking about. None of your buzzwords even pertained to what I said

>>12005912
it's not Tory's fault

hmmmmmmmmmm
Juicy

>>12006145
>payload deployed
>it's just a guy

>>12006153
>just

How can lasers confer momentum if they have no mass

>>12006159
it just does, okay
set it up and find out

>>12005441
>>12005912
elon... you baka...

>>12006159
it just werks

>>12004475

Have we ever seen the far side of the moon?

>>12005912
>>12006164
Same day they had a head engineer die of a heart attack. Not a good look Elon

>>12005633

The latest launch that is planned for a Soyuz is in 2033 for Glonass satellites. Meaning that for now, the R7 line of rockets will be 76 years old by then.

A person could be born and die of old age in that timeline lol.

>>12006170
The Chineese have.

>>12006170
Pretty much anything that will orbit the moon will see the side opposite earth.

>>12006170
yes, multiple satellites have photographed the far side, including the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter which is very high quality pics
men during the Apollo program saw it in person from orbit

>>12006145
>Falcon Heavy with a huge elongated fairing.
Oh fuck oH Im CoOooOOOOOMING!

>>12006170
Mike Collins m8

>>12005912
Why doesn't Tory just make a reusable rocket then?

>>12005441
Mister Bruno...I don't feel so good.

>>12006170
The Apollo astronauts saw it every time they orbited, and plenty of probes and some landers have seen it too

>>12006191
If I'm not mistaken the Vulcan's BE-4s will detach and be recovered for easy reuse, I think the major issue is that ULA has been part of the contractor clique for just a bit too long. I think they have the hunger and the desire to make fully reusable vehicles, their factory looks spectacular in that one walkthrough, I'm certain they have the means manpower and machinery, but being part of the NASA group of contractors has stalled them.
I have hope they can push ahead and escape the Boing! trap though.

>>12006170
>tfw most of the prominent landmarks on the far side of the moon have russian names due to them being the first to photograph it

>>12006213
>land there
>rename landmarks shit like "perseverance" "freedom crater" and "communism always fails mountain"
Is there realistically anything Russia could do about it?

>>12006216
well america would have to answer to the awesome might of the international astronomical union in such a scenario

>>12005937
Do you think we will ever see them used again?

>>12006224
And the IAU would have to answer to the awesome might of American territorial claims

>>12005595
>single layer of plastic
stfu faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qofu0x1BqUI

reminder that UFO deniers and flat earthers are equals

Both CNN and Trump have agreed on the veracity of the recent UFO footages from pentagon.

Vonn Neuman probes are here anons, and we have no idea how to spot them, only they can allow it.

>>12006259
>Foreign spy drones are only used by America and not against them
Fuck off back to /x/.

>>12006252
>/pol/ draws mathematical proof the Holocaust didn't happen in 10 meter high letters on the moon
>EU immediately bans astronomy

>>12006259
Ok UFO's are real. Now what?

>>12006298
no, the space force would bomb the moon and torture whoever was responsible and then the media would cheer about the evil racist fascist nazis being smashed

>>12005912
Elon went a bit overboard with the autism

for fuck's sake we've had the UFO discussion before. There is quality analysis that shows it was a bird.

>>12005441
This is retarded considering you get two vulcan flights for every one FH according to the space force contract. Should’ve kept his mouth shut. Between this and constantly retweeting everyday estrogen I’m getting lethal doses of cringe

>>12006292
Holy fucking shit you are retarded, you didn't even open the video to see what's about.

It's big people, people in power talking about UFO sightings and how they are out of this world.

Not once I said that America is using them.

>>12006361

A bird going faster than supersonic is crazy talk mate.

>>12005912
Elon was being an asshole

>>12006394
nope. The background, panning, and distance etc show size and speed of a large bird

Who is estronaut?

>>12006361
>There is quality analysis that shows it was a bird.

???
Are you schizo?

>>12006404
Nope, just a skeptic.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCVnqTx_c0P3O2t

>>12006401

So Pentagon is forming a Task Force to investigate birds? Come on man

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/pentagon-ufo-task-force/index.html

>>12006413
>>12006404
sorry, been a long while since I watched them (>>12006409) was likely balloon not bird

>>12006413
just watch the playlist please. Everything has a logical explanation

>>12006170
why didnt we just shine a bright flashlight at the moon during a solar eclipse to take photos instead of having to fly around it

Why the fuck is /Sci/ full of /X/ schizos? Half (99%) of the threads are total shit like only SFG is good here.

>>12006433
/sfg/ wasn't started by /sci/lons, we came here from outside
>tfw cross-boarders are the sane ones

Just woke up lads what did I miss today

>>12006433
Yeah.
tfw no one has replied to my honest thread about seed oils >>12006092
I think the underlying problem is it's sometimes hard to separate wacky from legit. Like there was that discussion about Henneguya salminicola the other day, but it could easily appear to someone as a junk thread.Same with mine, I suppose.

>>12006365
You should shut up if you don't know what you talking about, retared.

>>12005595
As the air leaked out the module would shrink but keep the same air pressure inside.

>>12006456
>U spoke bad of Elon the meme man, u hurt my feelings
I don’t give a fuck, I’ll say whatever I want

>starting shit on twitter
gay

>>12006012
>mechanically simpler
Sure, but when you have to introduce level 9000+ calculus to determine the change in force/direction from mini shockwaves (and ensure your hardware can handle said shockwaves), a fucking hydraulic arm isn't too bad.
You give up hardware to physically gimble, but require new hardware/software to calculate the whole thing.

>>12006470
>he thinking i care about what randomly person talking on the internet
I only relied to your post because you did post dumb FUD
FH didn't cost as two Vulcan, dumbass.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NASASpaceflight

>>12006172
>head engineer die of a heart attack
The guy could have been in shitty heath from personal problems.
Yes, it could be from excessive stress, but people DO DIE from heart attacks every day for a lot of reasons.

>>12006500
>Sure, but when you have to introduce level 9000+ calculus to determine the change in force/direction from mini shockwaves
Or just perform some test burns and derive an empirical model.

>>12006502
People think all launches are the same damn price, regardless of the rocket, payload, need for top secret security, ect...
ULA also got a cool chunk of cash in the first round for research while SpaceX got pissed on and got nothing. But that doesn't count! (sarcasm)
People are fucking dumb, they will continue to believe their own thoughts regardless of hard proof.

>>12005038
Korolev von Braun

>>12006164
This is a top ten anime betrayal.

>>12006172
>Same day they had a head engineer die of a heart attack.
Come on, he definitely didn't get it from overwork...

>>12006512
By the time you figure that out and build a system of actuators to create the desired effect, a hydraulic arm to gimbal the bell housing will be just as simple, if not more simple to control.
The only positive from the system would potentially be minor weight and size savings.

Or fuck, who knows, it could be the best thing ever. I've had too much to drink and need to get laid, my brain doesn't have enough human blood in it right now.
Go make a test model, I want to see this shit work.

Kill all gravitybound oldtypes!

>>12006538
>The only positive from the system would potentially be minor weight and size savings.
Which is why such systems are/were commonly used in rocket weaponry and their descendants. Injection gimballed rockets tend to be smaller, simpler, and lighter than an equivalent rocket weapon with swivel gimbals. Which is great for a military context.

>Or fuck, who knows, it could be the best thing ever.
It was probably very useful back when rockets were unfathomably complicated machines to the average grunt and were liable to break in some inconvenient way.

If I go on a return trip to Mars, will things back on Earth be better or worse?

>>12006515
Also spacex needs to design and build a movable tower for vertically integrating the sensitive payloads.

>>12006547
>Mfw I was born on Vesta
>Mfw I can’t into ZeroGMode but I also can’t walk on anything bigger than Ceres

It’s over

>>12005159
>thinking the reptilians will be allowed on Mars.

Phobos will be dropped on tel aviv.

>>12006574
Its one way bro despite what Elon says. 6 months in a tuna can full of rads is going to require extreme mental fortitude, another 6 months back is not happening for 99.9% of people.

>>12006402

Scientifically speaking, how do you make a service module that doesn't look like shit?

>>12006685
Paint flames on the side for increased isp.

>>12006574
Earth is literally only going to get worse. I intend to enlist and serve for twenty years, and I’m horrified at how degenerate society will become over that time period and how jarring it will be to return to.

>>12006650
>Its one way bro despite what Elon says

No evidence of this.

>>12006650
>6 months in a tuna can full of rads is going to require extreme mental fortitude
Every now and then I'm reminded that not everyone on this site isn't a socially reclusive introvert anymore.
Personally I'd jump at the chance for 14 months of isolation for just a flyby.
>inb4 "nooo you really couldn't handle that!"
We are both anon, we don't know who one another really is. Neither of us can confidently judge the other.

>>12006694
Learn to interpret posts rather than just be a retarded shitposter. Normies can't even handle a few weeks inside their house without mental breakdowns.

>>12006705
Sure, but I don’t expect people that mentally weak to be flying to goddamn Mars.

Bernard Kutter, ULA's chief scientist who did a lot of work on propellant depots died on August 12th of a heart attack. Press F to pay respects.

>>12006731
"heart attack"

>>12006733
I assure this is completely unrelated to having an undisclosed dinner the night before with a certain southern senator.

>>12006433
I have everything but /sfg/ and launch threads filtered on /sci/

>>12005502
They contain some gas for SRB thrust deflection by injecting cold gas into the nozzle at a specific angle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t15vP1PyoA
holy shit bros they HOPPED

>>12006176
The last korolev cross will be a sad day

>>12006777
The obvious answer is to build orbital battleships on Earth and use four giant side boosters to help get them off the ground before lighting the reactor. Korolev crosses forever.

>>12006259
>CNN and Trump
Wow, truly paragons of fairness, intelligence and an unbiased source of information.

>>12006685
well it's still an ugly piece of shit, but I guess it'll do for now

>>12006176
Why did he have to die Posadist bros?!

If he only had ten more years...!

Individually tell me why Tsiolkovsky's equation justifies your particular vision of space travel /sfg/

>>12006884
if you need more than 6 km/s of delta v you're a heretic

Scientifically speaking, how much longer does Boing have left if they don't get their shit together?

>>12006893
Based slowboat poster

>>12006913
what's that? your soul can't escape earth's gravity with less than 6 km/s?
FUCKING HERETIC

>>12006920
my soul escapes earth's gravity well with -7km/s

>>12006932
fucking
heretic
I bet you even need staging

>>12006934
nope, i just fall through the floor and accelerate out into deep space

>>12006941
ah, psycho frame?

Bros
Why do we still rely on archaic technology for space travel?

Updated OP pic for absolutely no reason

>>12006943
we use the power of magnets to shoot beams of ionized gas at tremendously high speeds out the back of our satellites, anon

Starship is a spaceplane

>>12006948
we still rely on throwing shit out the back of our crafts for travel, a practice mastered by the chinese. we should have warp drive already

>>12006954
M A G N E T S
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Hahha, im laughing at all these elonfags in the thread. spacex never has sent rockets into real space, and their one unique thing (relanding aircraft) was mastered in the early 1900s, while nasa has sent tons to the moon alongside humans. nasa: 10, spacex: 0.

>>12006943
> Haven't even explored and return from Pluto and Mercury with chemical rockets
> He wants fancy schmancy near-light technology.

This is called hubris.

> “Provide ships or sails adapted to the heavenly breezes, and there will be some who will brave even that void.” J Kepler

There is absolutely no reason for depots. Fuel should simply be launched when it is actually needed, not wastefully thrown into space to boil off.

>>12006943
You're more than welcome to try and get the glowniggers to release their project aurora/spinning red mercury drive/glockenspiel/ayy tech if you want

>>12006961
>Fuel should simply be launched when it is actually needed

Fuel is needed in the vacuum of space rather than the atmosphere since propulsion in a vacuum is most efficient. Every heavy first stage used is a potential amount of delta v that could've been used to explore the solar system rather than escaping Earth's gravity.

>>12006961
This is true, depots are anti american and are an idea only fags like spacex (who cant really reach space) want, because their rockets can't reach space on their own, lol. Nasa: 2 SpaceX: 0

>>12006957
African Americans were actually the first astronauts. Ancient Wakanda, known to yts as "Egypt" had space travel. The pyramids were actually massive space ships. There are only three left but there used to be thousands. Powered by psychic energy only melanated individuals may produce, they achieved faster than light travel. However, when yts, genetically inferior apes escaped their containment pen, their negative energy blocked the ancient Wakandans power. These yts have wreaked havoc ever since. All of these claims about nasa, von Braun, Musk are just inferior space travel attempts or outright fabrications. In fact, only black people have been to space. Only black people can survive in space due to their melanin. So stop spreading this nasa hoax, the moon landing was faked to support yt supremacy.

>>12006970
>

Wewuzzism is fucking horrific and has always been because it implies that they fell from grace so badly they became as dumb as animals.

>>12006970
Hhahahha try harder SpaceX fagboy, your mad your racist drumpf supporting idol muskrat will never be getting into space or colonizing mars, hahaha.Keep coping about the fact only a small group of elite scientists will explore space for the next 200 years and they will get there from expendable, nasa launched rockets. Nasa 3 SpaceX 0

>>12006974
Just stop. Nasa isn't real, it's a hoax. Only black folks can go to space. This has been proven. Yts burn up when they are out in the sun. Yet they expect us to believe that they survived in space even closer to the sun? It makes no sense.

>>12006978
Just stop elon, only angl*ids burn up in the sun

ANY DECADE NOW BROS!

>>12006981
It‘s unfortunate that he made that tweet right when money was awarded in a way that massively obscures the point he‘s trying to make.

>>12007041
Was it though? Retards are always going to miss the point or argue about irrelevant facts

yoyo despin in KSP when?

>>12006943
Because the universe obeys conservation of momentum. There is no free lunch.

Why are expecting Physics to give you shit for free you goddamn commie?

why dont we just invent a rocket that pushes off against the vacuum instead of the rocket