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First for propellant depots.
>>11996888Quiet, fool! You will anger the gods!
>Boing
>>11996888Anon, the D-word! You mustn't utter it!
>>11996888WHO DARES TO BLASPHEME IN THIS AMERICAN SPACEFLIGHT THREAD?
How long until the next Columbia?
>>11996906looks like sn6 is the one to do multiple 150m hops
Speedruns when?
nice.
>>11996906>here's your new rocket, bro.
If you magically swapped atmosphere of Mars and Venus would it make them habitable?
>>11996942what is a speedrun?
SN5, the first to make it back to the build site
>>11997011No, Venus' atmosphere is basically an ocean's worth of CO2, with a bit of sulfur and other trace gasses, Mars's is just a thin vineer of an atmosphere also mostly CO2 and few trace gasses as well. Venus would still be way too hot even without it's super heavy atmosphere, Mars might be warmer thanks to the greenhosue effect but then you'd still have to deal with bottom-of-the-ocean crushing pressures at ground level. At least aerobraking would be easier I guess? You're not going to get a habitable planet from an all-CO2 atmosphere unless you can introduce very large populations of oxygen producing bacterial colonies, oceans to trap and store that fixed CO2 and Methane in, and several hundreds of thousands of years of waiting.
>>11997029Venus with Mars atmosphere is would be cooler Earth.
>>11997034Would it? I guess near-zero insulation from an atmosphere could probably win out against being 30% closer to Sol. Still not workable for habitation with complex life, since then you're working with an atmosphere so rarefied it probably can't support anything more complex than slow-metabolism bacteria analogues.
>>11996951The tiles make me really nervous. Please tell me they will work
N2O/Butane fuel blend powered homemade flying grain silos when?It can be done, we have the technology
>>11997015It's a race where the competitors run like naruto
>>11996884was there any /sfg/ guide/charts/roadman created ever to start your own space mining company?like where do one start?Not the individual but asking for Financial Officer in my company.
>>11997041People from Venus could live on Earth tho.
>>11997087As in how to? A regular mining operation is your best betIf you’re looking for where, Mars, Mercury asteroid belt and Io are very good places to find stuff
>>11997065Aren't mechanically attached heat tiles old technology?
>there are people willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars for a game>the cheapest space ticket is hundreds of thousandsWhen will space flight get whales to fund it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Xiq3dYJlMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9TeBws_dsShame they didn't go anywhere.
>>11997149We will colonize Solar System before this game releases.
>>11997133Yes, but they have to be very easy to replace and repair. The heat tiles were one of the main problems of shuttle and caused it to fail in terms of reusability.
>>11997149>When will space flight get whales to fund it?Who are Musk and Bezos?
>>11997065They will eventually. While I don’t know about this current iteration, SpaceX is great at solving problems. I variantes they’ll figure it out eventually if it doesn’t work now.
>>11997184Needs more than wealthiest people on planet.
>>11997213Ok, non-whales then. Sure
>>11997207It wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being quite different to what they're trialling now. They were unsentimental about ditching the carbon fibre tanks
>>11997207They might ditch them allthogether like reusabilty of Falon 9 2-stage, and Dragon propulsive landing.
By simply looking up into the night sky our species has progressed and made gains over thousands of years that dwarf your small comment. Tell people like Ptolemy, Copernicus, Kepler, or Carl Sagan that their views are being taken. Newton, Hubble, Einstein, Galileo. Being able to look up and study, these people advanced us as a species. Of course there's also almost every cultures religion in history that looked up. These are the gains that may no longer be attainable by future "amatuer astronomers" that look up.But people need their internet.
>>11997171Sad that tech like this gets developed and then bankrupted, bought by some big company and the tech is shelved forever
>>11997263Starlink wouldn't block the stars. Astronomers can still see the night sky just fine at night (not dusk nor dawn) when the satellites are in their proper orbits. Meanwhile, light pollution from growing cities have been the greater threat to astronomy, and yet there are no astronomers protesting against those.
>>11997263Dogshit tier bait
>>11997277Because those "astronomers" ARE city insects.
>>11997263Fuck off retard
>>11997263The future of astronomy is giant telescopes in space anyway.Future generations will look back on land-based observation as laughably primitive
>>11996902Big depots keep on fillingKeep on filling 'em up for you!Singing songs as they're launchingInto low orbit jus' for you.Well I heard Mister Shelby's had a tantrumI heard Mister Musk had to put him downI hope they treat him nice at the old folks homeA southern man don't need him around no moreSweet Home AlabamaWhere they made outdated crapSweet Home AlabamaLord we sure don't miss your scrap
>>11997356Satellite flares can be damaging to sky surveys and other observations and there is no reason to hinder the work of a whole field of science just because. The problem is already being fixed with the sun visors.>>11997356That's not practical at the moment
>Essentially they're selling more shares, diluting the value of existing shares, and raising $460 million.https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1293199562539229185oh no no no
>>11997263The problem is being fixed by satellites with sun visors. In a couple years all the non-sun visor satellites will be gone anyways.
>government is still the biggest customer of launch providers>sats continue to get smaller and cheaper and launch providers make less money than before because of this>russian spysats are decrepit and cant see through cloud cover or at nightoh no no no
>>11997414>russian spysats are decrepit and cant see through cloud cover or at nightit is a great peril to underestimate your enemy, anon
>>11997405how to people not see that Virgin Galactic is a massive grift that is feeding on SpaceX's and BO's energy
>>11997405I wonder how they're burning so much money. SpaceShipTwo is already developed and I doubt paying their employees to do nothing all day costs 460 million.
>one side of spaceship will be glimmering, shiny metal>the other will be pitch black, covered in hexagonal tilesHoly fucking kino. Why are there no good artist's renditions of this yet?
>>11997448Those tiles will be a huge problem for Starship if it doesn't outright kill the project.
>>11997448>visible spacing between tilesYAMERO
>>11997448what's with the massive gaps between tiles
>>11997454They are significantly different from the ones used in the Shuttle:>seem to be all identical hexagonal tiles>don't need to isolate anywhere near as good as stainless steel can ake more heat than aluminium>seem to be bolted, not glued>different material
>>11997459>>11997461holy crap calm down autists, they are still in very early stages of testing the TPS mounting, and stainless steel is a lot better at dealing with reentry then alumemium
Would it have been possible /sfg/?
>>11997454Cool, a Boing shill that hasn't killed himself yet
boca chica is looking amazing, it feels futuristic
>>11997469No. Even with today’s technology we wouldn’t have been able to build the first stage engine. We could’ve used a bunch of smaller F-1 size engines in its place though.Starship still blows Sea Dragon out of the water due to reusability.
>>11997263If it was internet for internets sake i’d entirely agree with you but its naked and undisguised funding for SpaceX. Those amateur astronomers with their love of the stars may one day see, what, 60% 100% more by going up into space themselves without the sun, atmosphere or most of all constant fucking clouds to interrupt their view. This argument is funniest here in the UK where clouds obscurethe nightsky 320 nights of the year and people who actively go out to see Starlink end up going home having seen nothing. >Human progress has to be stunted so that i can leave my SLR on long exposure all night!! Fuck astrophotographers. They can cry about future generations all they want meanwhile current kids think Long Exposure Astrophotography is a phone setting and flip out when they see finally Starlink.
>>11997464At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevant. All it takes is a tile failure to kill your vehicle. Starship isn't reentering from LEO.
>>11997470>hurr I have worries about this thing I'm passionate about so that means I'm not part of the tribe
>>11997479>At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevant.lol no, and again, this is still a very early test of the TPS
>>11997479>>11997454>Someone who isn't even an engineer criticizing tile design by the best spaceflight engineers on the planet. Why are you like this? What happened to you as a child to make you such a stupid contrarian?
>>11996906>First thing that goes to mars is a grain siloThe farmers will be happy.
>>11997498wont look like one by the time they send one to mars though
>>11997464There's a reason why Elon didn't want tiles in the first place and wanted to use perspiration cooling. Starship can work as a whole but if the tiles are a problem then it's going to have significant delays.
>>11997479>At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevant.Nope, it's a huge difference in the temperatures behind the tiles one can target.>>11997505It isn't impossible to combine both.
>>11997485Is that supposed to even slightly resemble what you said in your first post? Don't be surprised when people give you shit for sounding exactly like a concern trolling anti-SpaceX youtube faggot
>>11997497Reentry isn't a joke, especially considering the fact Starship will be coming in from a Lunar or planetary reentry trajectories which are significantly more demanding then LEO and there were cracked tiles on SN5 after the hop.
>>11997518The tiles are currently just a low fidelity design. They will figure it out.
>>11997518Yeah but that's probably because they were trying out a wide range of sizes and mounting styles. The fact that one of those methods failed just means they'll use a different one
>>11996884I've been looking into Hard shell spacesuits for a bit, more specifically the work of Hubert Vykukal. His ax-2 and ax-3 spacesuit prototypes are very interesting, pic related is the ax-2. So I was wondering if anyone here knew what exactly isn't viable about this suit, and whether or not those issues would be insurmountable.Here are some more images of the suit: https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/pressure-suit-ax-2/nasm_A20040264000https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ax-2-hard-space-suit-with-vic-vykukal-russell-ames/TgHLbMmqj_cDlAhttps://artsandculture.google.com/asset/ax-2-hard-space-suit-with-vic-vykukal-getting-ready-to-pitch-a-baseball-russell-ames/zwHufc6W1ih0NA
Is this a realistic payload for an expendable Starship/Superheavy stack? I used the inputs they gave on Wikipedia plus additional info on sea level Raptor’s vacuum ISP. I also assumed that the upper stage only has 6000 kn of thrust as it only uses the vacuum engines.
Fun Fact: If the Space Shuttle was made out of steel, it may not have needed any TPS tiles because the maximum temperature it saw was under the melting point and forging temperature of steel. Fun Fact 2:OP is a homosexual.
>>11997569Here are the values I input.
Won't the tank contract when it's loaded with cryo? Meaning the gaps disappear?
>>11997479>Orbital reentry is impossible!
>>11997454Lets say hypothetically that starship full reusability is a complete failure, that still wouldn't be enough to kill the project. a cheap disposable heavy lift rocket would still be a big deal. Taking that a step further they could even potentially make it semi resusable by recovering the first stage engines, sorta like what ula has proposed with the vulcan rocket. You could still even make orbital refueling work, just launch a disposable tanker 2nd stage. You could probably even greatly reduce the amount of times it takes to refuel by going that route. Spacex could easily go this route while working out the issues of starship reuse.
>>11997589This. Starship is also cheap as fuck. The engines are $2 Million a piece and stainless steel is $3/kg according to Elon. If taken at face value, 37 raptor engines cost $74 Million and 300 ton dry mass adds up to $1 Million. As far as it stands, Starship costs $75 million to build. The first stage is around $62 Million of that cost. If they fly it ten times, combined with the expendable second stage, Starship would have a marginal cost of $18.2 million.No idea on reusability cost but SpaceX believes they could reuse the massive ITS first stage for $200,000, so even a reuse cost of $1 Million would mean Falcon 9 - Level Reuse leads to a $20 milllion dollar launcher that can put 100 tons into LEO. Not bad.
>>11997569Elon has stated around 300 tons reference payload for a expendable Starship. I would guess that a useful payload would be about 250 tons.
>>11997518You know that SpaceX's engineering philosophy is centered on iteration, right? Those tiles aren't the final version, and it is clear that SpaceX is working towards a solution. They've tested those kinds of tiles before and have shown that such tiles work. Right now it seems like they're figuring out the proper way to mount the tiles firmly without weakening them, which is definitely a fixable problem.This is the company that worked out economically viable reusable rockets when NASA couldn't do that for the decades it had the Shuttle and subsequently gave up on the concept. They'll figure it out eventually.
>>11997599>useful payloadI mean a payload to a useful orbit.
>>11997599Could spaceship even fit so much.
>>11997597>The engines are $2 Million a pieceSource on this? I though that elon mentioned that they were under 1 million, with a goal of going even cheaper?
>>11997472That is because it is no longer a garbled mess of tents, scaffolding and thousands of cherry pickers. It has now actual buildings.
>>11997448Starship definitely isn't going to turn into shuttle 2.0, r-right guys haha
>>11997597What a heck, RD-180 made by Ivan costs 10mil$ per piece.
>>11997532>>11997537>>11997600I understand that, I just think you shouldn't be dismissive about such a crucial aspect of the project. In my humble opinion they should be doing parallel testing on Falcon launched test payloads for the Starship TPS.
>>11997618No, because SpaceX is willing to iterate on their vehicles quickly, unlike NASA who sat on the technology to upgrade the Shuttle for decades because Congress didn't give them the funding and they were afraid of rocking the boat.
>>11997597There should be electronics, avionics and testing included. Not counting life support. F-35 that only has one seat costs 79mil.
>>11997627>I understand that, I just think you shouldn't be dismissive about such a crucial aspect of the project.Fair point, but Starship has yet to reach the point to where it can "properly" test the tiles.>In my humble opinion they should be doing parallel testing on Falcon launched test payloads for the Starship TPS.They are. They're just not talking about it as much as the other things that they're doing.
>>11997606Sure, if the objects are dense enough. Skylab was 77 tons and mostly filled with empty space. I think two of them would fit into Starship with plenty of room to spare.
>>11997641Would probably make second stage traditonal rocket with fairing instead of return vehicle.
How much hydrogen does Starship need to fill its tanks? Just curious, because if SpaceX has a hard time mining ice, maybe they can use the Sabatier Process while brining all their hydrogen with them like in Mars Direct.
>>11997684Starship doesn't run on hydromeme.
>>11997684thisyou would save a shitton of work if you would just bring the hydrogen with you. i really hope the actual mission will look a lot more like mars direct
>>11997690it relies on hydrogen to refuel since there is almost no methan on mars
>>11997697Do you have brain damage? It does not run on hydrogen and in-situ use of sabatier processors for extracting methane has been the plan since day 1 of the methane raptor.
>>11997695At that point you could probably have a fuel depot in mars orbit as well and save all that complicated equipment.
>>11997065hoping things work is oldspace
>>11997684>>11997695Alright bro’s I did some math.Elon said that Starship has 22% Methane 78% oxygen propellant. 22% of 1200 tons is 264 tons of methane. Methane is 25% hydrogen by weight, so 0.25 of 264 is 66.There would be a need for 66 tons of Hydrogen to fully refuel Statship’s tanks. However Volume is definitely an issue and there’s no way 66 tons of hydrogen will fit in a si for Starship’s payload bay.
>>11997703>It does not run on hydrogenIn case you're not trolling, what do you think methane is composed of?
>>11997710damn guess starshit is debunked then
>>11997710As far as I know, the intention is to crack ice for hydrogen
>>11997718Just land two starships. 40 tons of LH2 is doable in the payload bay and it gives you more mass margin to fit an ISRU processor in each one + More supplies too.
>>11997718Your question is formulated like a complete retard.The correct question is how much water ice do they require. And the answer is there's enough of it on Mars.They're not going to extract hydrogen because they need oxidizer too, why add an extra step to the mining process when you already have a shitload of refining steps to go through?
>>11997618Superheavy landing itself back at its launch pad and being easily refurbished already makes it different. And even if Starship has to be made semi-disposable no doubt it will be possible to bring back the engines, plus they can use a crew Dragon to bring back people. Even the fallback options are in a different league to the shittle
>>11997727meant for >>11997717
>>11997727I simply was thinking about doing a mars direct approach of bringing your hydrogen with you. Mining the surface is going to be hard at least at first. What’s wrong with simplifying the process!
>>11997459>>11997461All they're doing now is testing mounting techniques and maybe how well the tiles handle vibration/etc. The placement doesn't need to be super precise at this phase of testing.
>>11997703>not knowing how the sabatier process works>calling other people stupidi love the internet
>>11997703>it does not use hydrogen>in situ use of sabatier anon, i...
>>11997737>>11997740I know how the process works. But when you're also in the need of oxidizer, you're not going to extract hydrogen from the fucking atmosphere or bring it with you. You're going to extract water ice and extract the hydrogen from there.
>>11997743Extracting water ice is really fucking complicated bro. You need a large rover that can mine the ice and separate of from the regolith. Also you’ll need to process hundreds of tons of ice which is not easy to do with an automated vehicle.It’s way easier to just use a Sabatier ISRU. Sure you need to haul the hydrogen with you, but it is less complicated and can be done fully automated much easier.
>>11997753Yeah, just bring millions of extra ships with you, just bring U-hauls as well.Hydrogen is a fucking bitch to store.
>>11997561Can I please get an answer to this?
>>11997757I’m talking about for the first few trips. Once there’s infrastructure then ice road truckers is viable on Mars but until then it’s probably too expensive. Literally all you need are two starships with 33 tons of LH2 onboard. Once those land they can convert it into Methalox and store in their main tank. When men land on Mars they can hook up the two ships with the crewed one and refuel it from their tanks.
>>11997768They'll probably be dumping off stuff in various drop containers years in advance of the "first few trips".
>>11997743but the guy you were replying to was discussing a hypothetical situation where spacex had a hard time mining ice, so saying durr why dont you just mine it is missing the point, retard.>but when you're also in need of oxidizer you can extract oxygen from the atmosphere really easily, and plenty of mars mission architectures have discussed the idea of bringing hydrogen to mars, it's so light that it's not as punishing as bringing all your fuel there, and starship will have to be capable of bringing cryogenic fuel to mars in order to land anyway
>>11997778>it's so lightYet so fucking unwieldy.
>>11997753>I’m unable to perform high school chemistry like extracting water from a mixture of water and dirt Literally just heat it and collect the evaporated water with a condenser.
>>11997779Dude I’m telling you SpaceX isn’t going to mine the ice on their first few Mars trips. It’s too complicated without a crew to oversee it. They will have to mine literally thousands of tons of ice shits gonna be hard to do with just robots.
>>11997561>>11997758looks too retarded, the future of spaceflight must be /aesthetic/
SN8 NOSECONE, FINS, AND FLAPS CONFIRMEDIT'S HOPPENINGhttps://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1293250108436488194
>>11997561>So I was wondering if anyone here knew what exactly isn't viable about this suit,No codpiece.
>>11997791Full pic of SN5+6.
>>11997791So SN6 is flying now? And they’re building SN7.1? Cool. How far are they on SN8?
>>11997798I think from the "SN7.1 will be" phrasing they're waiting to see how it does before building SN8.
>>11997804SN8 is already built, it just needs to be assembled
>>11997786All they need to do is land near something like this crator, and ice is easy to gather. They basically need to gather a cubic meter a day. Doable with a bulldozer or track hoe.
>>11997819Isn't that CO2 ice?
>>11997817Don't be ridiculous. Those are clearly parts for a water tower.
>>11997823CO2 and water.
>>11997819Literally just use a pickax
>>11997823no, its water ice, and the water deposit ice in pic related is 60 kilometers in diameter and 2 kilometers thick
>>11997819>>11997827This, a cubic meter of ice a day is doable with a small team with hand tools.
>>11997819>cubic meter a dayIce pick, shovel, and a wheelbarrow. That's not much ice a day.
>>11997828The stickler with these craters is they are near the poles, which have less solar energy. Underground ice deposits might exist closer to the equatorial regions, which have more solar energy for converting it into fuel.
Why not just 3D print the methane on Mars? You could even bring the printing materials over to simplify things.
>>11997857https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction
Manned venus mission when
>>11997865https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHkWKp9e4Y
>>11997865Unironically, China will realize the race to the Mars will be futile for them, so they will instead launch astronauts in a cramped spacecraft on a flight around Venus to try and flex
>>11997893>China lands astronauts on Venus>They all turn into orange chicken within a minute
>>11997911General Tso Chicken.Now with lens cap flavoring.
>>11997606Well, when the next iteration of inflatable habitat gets built it could be a pretty dense package. They might be heavy enough to make a expendable starship a reasonable option.
>>11997374See, selfishness. Thats what motivates starlink whiners. Starlink could easily be part of making whole swarms of giant telescopes in space possible in 10-20 years, but greed and impatience make people blind to reality
>>11997878Not sure what the point is of having both the vehicle being the same design, but it certainly does look like a cool idea.
>>11997982>Oh no we have to stop doing everything because I need to see the stars which I can't fucking see from my light polluted city anyway!I'll just file you in with "We can't go to space because we need to fix earth first" retards.That's just like we need to stop using the internet because some people are illiterate or music needs to end because there are still deaf people.Fuck your selfishness.
>>11997735but like, won't a tiles performance be different if it's pressed against other tiles on all sides vs heaving room to move
>>11997878Don't know why you would necessarily need the airship to be manned, but I mean why not lol. Also if you think starship is scary, I would say taking a nosedive into Hell from orbital velocity and praying your rocket-zeppelin deploys correctly would be even scarier
>>11997998None of these tiles are going to ever actually be heated. I'm sure they are testing things like thermal performance in labs and such.
>>11997569no, the upper stage also uses the sea level engines to get to orbit
>Sea Dragon? Never heard of it
>>11997852>solar energy for a mars colony or mars basenot gonna happen
>>11998031You’re an idiot.
>>11997893They already have a next gen space capsule in development. They'll probably link it up to a small habitation/research module and a ppe/life support module and launch it to Venus.
>>11998033Nuclear is the future faggot.
>>11998043Sure, but solar will go first because it has no red tape
>>11998049An early mars outpost wouldn't need much power anyways, in which case one starship filled with solar panels could provide more then enough solar panels to power an early base, even at polar latitudes.
>>11997998Probably but I don't think they're concerned about that at the current stage of development. We don't even know if that section with the tiles is meant for flight or not.
>>11997627>parallel testingThey are. SN5's first hop was their first shake-n-vibe test with a variety of mounting methods. Some of those mounting methods didn't pass the test.>>11997768One scenario I've heard here is one or two ships for the 2022 synod, then a small fleet for 2024.What if they bring enough fuel in extra ships to bring one Starship back? And hydrogen is the tricky bit. Even as thin as it is, if they can't find enough water on-site, the atmosphere is mostly CO2, so they just need a way to crack that and add hydrogen. Or literally load a tanker or two and bring that in the fleet. Once a fuel depot is landed or parked on orbit, it'll be safe to land humans on the next synod. (safe in terms of an almost guaranteed ride home)
Shouldn't orbital propellant depots be supplied from lunar ice mining operations? Dig up co2 and water ice. Make o2 and ch4. Yeet it at the earth with a railgun. Then the tanks are intercepted by tugs. Which burn some of the payload to get it into earth orbit and docked.
>>11998019This, they've already blowtorched the tiles up beyond maximum predicted reentry temperatures for up to 8 hour spans at a time with no negative effect, there is zero reason to doubt their capability to protect the ship from a thermal standpoint. What needs to be figured out is how to mount them so you can ensure that no vital tiles fall off during reentries or takeoffs, and whether there will need to either be some kind of gap insulator or thermal paint/glue to ensure that no heat can leak between the tiles, or that if heat is deliberately allowed to flow between the gaps, that it doesn't reach the temperatures where it could melt the hull.I mean the simple solution would just be to apply a thick layer of thermal paint and/or glue to the belly and then apply the tiles over it. Also, Starship will reenter cooler than the shuttle by using it's fins to prolong the highest, fastest portion of reentry. This raises the total amount of heat the ship will have to dissipate, but also reduces peak thermal loading, so long as the hull and tiles have enough thermal endurance, there should be no issue.
Bros I can't wait to see Starship's interior mockup. I would love to float inside a giant tin can that looks like a tesla and brew a cup of coffeehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L___xygPC94
>>11996951how cheeky, spelling out your logo in the tiles!
Is that SN6 on the move?
hmmmmm
>>11998118>When you have your morning siphttps://youtu.be/L___xygPC94?t=27
>>11997431Kids on Robin Hood don't do research. More news at 11.
>>11998162hai
>>11997791>SN7 will be blown up on purposeCan't wait for news to run this story with that one picture of musk looking sad then post it to reddit and get 2000+ upvotes and hundreds of "musk bad" comments
>>11997599Didn't they have a structural failure when the top tank was loaded while the lower one was empty? How does the ship deal with 300 tons in its nose. Surely they can't just keep it pressurized the entire time through and after payload integration. Seems dangerous to go near it in that state.
>>11996884Thoughts on multiple massive satellite constellations going up within the next coming decades? Redd*tors sure love it despite trashing the night sky.
>>11998237I get musk started to be non pc lately but they hated him before that, in fact I think he got his non pc stance because of said unwarranted ha traded, and I don't get why. Isn't Reddit supposed to be the "dude science bro" crowd? they should love him.
>>11996951SpaceX going to give it to ya.
SN6 looks nice.
So is Musk legitimately smart, or does he just have enough sense to hire smart people? Some people seem to think he's brilliant, and others think he's nothing but a manager who lets his scientists and engineers do all the heavy lifting.
>>11998248>Thoughts on multiple massive satellite constellations going up within the next coming decades?Good. Luddites should not be listened to.
>>11998248>>11997279
>>11998260Most likely both. He's no engineer, but he seems to know enough to either make informed decisions on his own, or when he should refer to someone else and whom.
>>11998260he's a smart guy who has a knack for finding smart people and listening to what they sayalso he's apparently smart enough to mostly understand what they're saying, and manages to get them to give it to him straight instead of lying to his facea story of management success doesn't happen without smart people being involved
>>11998260BothMusk's main strength is recognizing emerging markets and then promoting the hell out of them.
>>11998262A moon colony is different than tens of thousands of satellites ending ground based astronomy and ending billions of years of unrestricted night sky. Don't be a cancer, there is no point to any of this if we dont use technology with wisdom.
How do we stop Elon's dangerous scams before he gets American astronauts killed?
>>11998274Go away Boing.
>>11998273ground astronomy is a dead end. Especially when SpaceX will enable every university to have their own Hubble.
>>11998260Seriously what the fuck do people think a CEO does? Calling him "just a manager" because he doesn't run calculations or weld steel rings together himself has to be the most retarded critique possible
>>11998279they had bad managers and now hate all management
>>11998273>tens of thousands of satellites ending ground based astronomyThey won't end ground based astronomy. Work has already been done in seeing past satellites. The only kind of ground based astronomy such satellites would negatively impact would be wide-view long-exposure imagery, but such astronomy has already been moving towards space (apart from kinds used to take beauty shots) placing them above those satellites.>and ending billions of years of unrestricted night sky.So? The night sky has already been "restricted" for many people in the developed world due to light pollution from cities. Having some stray dots on the dusk and dawn sky won't hurt.>there is no point to any of this if we dont use technology with wisdom.And such wisdom has already been debated over and agreed upon. Do you think those satellites are just being tossed up into space out of nowhere? Companies like SpaceX need permission from the US government to launch. Their license to do has been up for consideration long before it was approved, and no one challenged it.
Here's a question - why don't SpaceX capture the whole Earth observation market for themselves with launches like Starlink? Surely they must have thought of it. Too competitive?
>>11998277>ground astronomy is a dead endNo it ain't, pic related.>Especially when SpaceX will enable every university to have their own Hubble.Lol no, Uni's dont have the money to throw billions at space telescopes on par with hubble.
>>11998245Starship propellant mass is apparently 3,400 metric tons. I don't know how much of that is LOX or if they pressure test with the full amount but I think it's enough to suggest that the weight of the LOX on the empty methane tank was more than 300 tons. Another thing to consider is that since it's expendable they can ditch things like thermal protection system and use the weight savings to reinforce the structure if need be.
>>11998280>>11998279People have been conditioned with this socialist image of executives. As being indolent fat pigs who only acquire wealth through owning things.
>>11998309>we made it bigger, this means it's betterputting that whole thing in space would be an insignificant investment compared to the price of the observatory with Starship
>>11998279>Seriously what the fuck do people think a CEO does?Honestly, I don't know. I'm more of an isolated, focused thinker. The people who can pull together broad, disparate ideas and manage people are beyond my comprehension. I can't even begin to judge the difficulty of it.
>>11998309New hubble class telescopes should get cheaper to build and launch. Given the decades of progress and no more shittle.
>>11998301You mean stuff like weather and crop monitoring? I think the two big reasons are that the market is fairly small despite its importance, and most members are national ones and would feel safer to use a domestically made satellite rather than a foreign one.
What did he mean by this?
>>11998248We had decades to address light pollution on the ground where it actually mattered and yet no one fucking cared. And no one cares to this day.People in LA call the police when they see the milky way. And yet a few dots being visible in the sky again is now a fucking grave offense. Just fuck off. Seriously. Start at the source or shut the fuck up.People only bash this stuff because they have a chip on their shoulder about the people doing it.
>>11998312>LOx on the empty methane tankyou fucking nigger, get it rightthe liquid methane tank was full of liquid nitrogen, and the liquid oxygen tank was emptyliquid nitrogen is significantly denser than liquid methane
>>11998291>They won't end ground based astronomy. Work has already been done in seeing past satellites. The only kind of ground based astronomy such satellites would negatively impact would be wide-view long-exposure imagery, but such astronomy has already been moving towards space (apart from kinds used to take beauty shots) placing them above those satellites.Fair arguments, don't disagree at all.>So? The night sky has already been "restricted" for many people in the developed world due to light pollution from cities. Having some stray dots on the dusk and dawn sky won't hurt.Sky pollution is a travesty as well. Theres ways around this too, but people are so disconnected at this point they dont care. Bringing sky pollution up only adds to my point of maybe we should be smarter about how we do things.>And such wisdom has already been debated over and agreed upon. Do you think those satellites are just being tossed up into space out of nowhere? Companies like SpaceX need permission from the US government to launch. Their license to do has been up for consideration long before it was approved, and no one challenged it.>Trusting the feds/Trump admin/FCC to have the best judgment on thisThats just an appeal to authority, an authority that nobody with two braincells to rub together trusts deeply anymore.
>>11998260>So is Musk legitimately smart, or does he just have enough sense to hire smart people?Why not both?
>>11998245The problem wasn’t just that the top was full, but that they accidentally opened a valve on the bottom tank which unpressurized it and cause the top tank to smush the bottom one.>>11998315This. Except for when a CEO is “BIPOC(?)”
>>11996888Lunar-orbital space elevator maintained self-refilling propellant depots.
>>11998330>omg there’s little lights in the sky that aren’t starsLiterally who cares?
>>11998345>I haven't seen starlink, which is only a fraction of its current planned size, let alone the other constellations being planned by other companiesadults are talking, go back to redd*t
SN6 is on the stand
>>11998349Caring about Starlink is the peak Reddit reaction.Actually Reddit is super funny because ever since Elon revealed his power level about the China Virus they’ve since turned on him. Every SpaceX news thing is full of redditors says shit about how SpaceX is racist, Elon is a fraud, etc.
>>11998349Adults don’t give a fuck how the sky looks.
>>11998359>I am a brainlet who doesn't care for astronomywhy open your mouth and make yourself look stupid?
>>11998350What is a possible timeline for SN6? Pressure testing could be done quickly, I suppose. Does it already have the systems neccessary for flight? It definetly still needs a mass simulator and a raptor.
>>11998330>Sky pollution is a travesty as well. Theres ways around this too, but people are so disconnected at this point they dont care.Maybe because it's not as serious an issue as you think?>Bringing sky pollution up only adds to my point of maybe we should be smarter about how we do things.And it adds to my point that despite it being a larger impediment in viewing the night sky than satellites, no one has done anything about it. Which means that the issue of light pollution isn't serious, which further implies that satellites are an even less serious issue.>Trusting the feds/Trump admin/FCC to have the best judgment on thisThat wasn't my point. My point was that if anyone could've stopped SpaceX from launching Starlink, then they had plenty of time to do so. Yet no one did.Satellites blocking the stars is an non-issue. Some amateur astronomers being unable to generate their beauty-shots anymore isn't serious. This topic has been open for debate for a while, yet no one has made a compelling argument as to why this should be taken seriously.
>>11998326Cool story, bro, but explain this. Hint:You can't.
Hop when?
>>11998344Stop! My dick can only get so hard!
>>11998350ULA snipers running into position
>>11998377methane tank on top, dumbasswe have an Elon tweet around here somewhere, but it's time for me to go to work
>>11998366Put a satellite in orbit if you want to study astronomy, fag
>>11998379>Hop when?
>>11998344Should be at the poles
>>11998372No idea. Pressure test this week or the next probably. Expect a static fire in September with a hop late September probably. Good news though is that this will let them build SN8
>>11998273>ending ground based astronomyOh please.All the satellite trajectories are known ahead of time.Just build a simple algorithm that drops the frames with a sattelite in them. I'm sure billion dollar telescopes hooked up to super computers can be taught to blink for a moment while the data is garbage.
>>11998386I'll get right on that you fucking useless retard
>>11998383Make sure you don't bring your insufferable angry personality into work and lose your minimum wage job, you autistic cunt.
>>11998400Okay fag
>>11998402thanks, you too
>>11998394>hop late September probably. Put down the meth pipe. No way the same exact process is going to take as long as the first time, barring another hurricane
>>11998374Cool, guess I'll stop caring about humans fucking up their natural environment more and more because it doesn't matter.
>>11998400Earth based astronomy is fucking useless go cry about starlink on reddit
>>11998422If you seriously think that any change to the environment is some terrible thing, then I suggest that you move back to the savanna, abandon all technology, and live the rest of your days as a primitive. The world won't miss you.
>>11998422>Muh natureI hope earth becomes a dead rock like Mars
Is Kamala Harris going to be as enthusiastic for the space council etc as Pence if Biden is elected? have a feeling a lot of the administration's enthusiasm for space is because Pence likes space stuff
>>11998422Maybe campaign against plastic polution, e-waste or greenhouse gasses. Seems like fights that need fighting a lot more than light pollution and dots in the sky.
>>11998430enjoy your urban hell hole and antidepressants you husk of meat
>>11998440The answer is most likely no. In my opinion Pence is probably all over NASA because it makes the Trump administration look good and he knows Trump doesn’t really give af about it other than bragging rights. Biden doesn’t want or need or even understand the clout that comes with NASA so they will probably allow Artemis to happen for a while for “muh diversity” and then proceed to slowly cut the budget for the administration
>>11998440Probably not. She had a rally in my city I think November (?) last year and I went because I was bored. She’s your typical liberal “GIVE FREE! POC REPRESENTATION!” Politician. No way she’d support space if it didn’t somehow have a pozzed feel to it.
>>11998440Democrats hate space and will use NASA only to study climate change bullshit
>>11998445All these things go hand in hand, and going after them is something worth considering.
>>11998440Nasa is going to get slashed and turned into a image change and "get minorities into stem" jobs program. As they suck off that last bit of legacy from Apollo, shuttle, and iss. Will probably claim SpaceX needs to pay more taxes because they got started up by the government. Diversity quotas.
So the full family of Starships is:Starhopper (Not really a Starship but whatever)MK1 (Popped)MK2 (Never flew)Test tank 1 (Popped)Test tank 2 (popped)Nose Cone Tank (Popped)SN1 (Shucked)SN2 (Survived. Where is she now?)SN3 (Smushed)SN4 (Exploded after static fire)SN5 (Hopped)SN6 (On the Test Stand)SN7 (Popped but did a good job)Either SN7.1 or SN8 (Currently stacking)
>>11998440No. I doubt it's going to matter though.
>>11998342>This. Except for when a CEO is “BIPOC(?)”Or a blatant jew.
>>11998468SN2 was a test tank that got turned into a water tower, it's in the back of the lot somewhere
>>11998372SOON
>>11998468Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead Starships, and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.
>>11998440Hard to say. I can find only one source that describes her views on space flight (at least with NASA). While it says that she's for funding NASA, it doesn't go into detail as to what exactly about NASA does she support and want funded. All other searches found nothing. Nothing negative, just nothing about her views about space flight beyond very surface level stuff (i.e. taking a tour of the Mars Insight team, or expressing her like for Hidden Figures).She seems like she would be less supportive than Pence, but that's all I can say on the matter. If Biden get's elected, then I hope she lets all the programs currently in motion to continue.
>>11998481America will be completely destroyed within twenty years if Biden gets elected. These are the end times
>>11998481I can see a Biden presidency not being great or terrible for NASA, or at least of the same level as Obama.
>>11998490There wont be a 2024 election with Trump and his hasidic endtime kike son in law.
>>11998468Updated a bit for SN6
>>11998509Based. If I had good photoshop skills I’d try to make a complete version with even the Test Tanks, Header Test, MK2, etc.
>>11998509What's one with SpaceX tile logo?
>>11998520Prob SN8
>>11998501Trump isn’t a communist or ally of communists like Biden is
>>11998529Biden is literally the neoliberal crony capitalism establishment candidate, the antithesis to communism. Trump is of the same political/economic spectrum but a jingoistic kike owned fraud to the max. People who cant get basic political ideologies down like you should be banned from voting.
>>11998537>yes the guy who openly says he will sell out to the Chinese who worked to the fucker who sold off to the Chinese is no allie of the commies, trump bad.
>>11998550
>>11998550China isn't even communist, its a pseudo-capitalist totalitarian hellhole that sold out. There isn't one once of communism in the American political system. It's so far right and ultra-capitalists that nuts like you think neoliberalism is communism, when in reality every aspect of the political system is bought and paid for by super banks, defense corps and lined with armies of soulless lawyers. 400 years ago people like you would have been burning people at the stake.
The bald man is trying so hard to be Musk, it's really fucking funny. Musk - BezosTesla - RivianSpacex - Blue OriginsStarlink - Kuiper constellation
>>11998490hysterical lefties said the same thing about trumpcalm down
>>11998561>the American political system is far right
https://twitter.com/SierraNevCorp/status/1276226563244204035?s=20Tiles of Dreamchaser are glued by hand.
>>11998566>pretending a ultra-capitalist country basically ran by the national security state and banks (aka fascist corporatism) isnt far right>having to invoke the plebbit card to get out of an argumentkill yourself
>>11998452>>11998455>>11998464Where does this retarded meme come from?
>>11998568not surprisingthe idea is more or less the shuttle but on top of the rocket to avoid debris
>>11998574Reality
>>11997479>At reentry heating, the difference between aluminum and stainless steel is irrelevantLol. At reentry temps, stainless steel is like a few times stronger.
>>11998586sounds more like a republican version of democrat anti trump alarmism
>>11997606Steel bars for construction are dense af. You can always pack those on if you're volume constrained. Same with water tanks.
>>11998563One thing Bezos doesn’t have is attractiveness. Elon looks good for a billionaire CEO and he’s a playboy. Bezos is a creep who cheated on his wife. Also look at his affair texts they’re weird.
>>11998574>he doesn't remember the obama years
>>11998595Dude I fucking went to her rally lmao. I live in California and the shit she says isn’t even that extreme for someone of her political standing.
>>11998574The last democrat president destroyed NASA by its funding and literally said these words, I'm not fucking with you:"We have been there before" - President Barack Obama, when he shut down the NASA constellation programThe idea of the program was to return humans to the moon before 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx59d7CEwYIProve to me that democrats are not anti anything space related.
>>11998537>The guy in the party that contains actual communists isn’t the communist ally, but the guy in the party with no communists is
>>11997795
There is nothing wrong with Communism.
>>11998609>neoliberalism is communismkill yourself
>>11998607He continued Bush's private spaceflght policy.
hullo
>>11998615The Democrat party is full of socialists now
>>11998573>he thinks capitalism = right winghow's 8th grade treatin ya?
>>11998468>Survived. Where is she now?SpaceX should make it into a novelty exhibit in Bocca china. outfit it like an exhibit of what a finished interior will look like.
>marsForget it. Ceres with its tectonically heated subsurface ocean should be the first stop
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKhttps://www.ucf.edu/news/broken-cable-damages-arecibo-observatory/
>>11998621Is that why barry, hillary, and biden cannot stop sucking goldman sachs cock? Do you even know what socialism is? Because socialism isnt taking corporate money and giving 200k+ speeches at banks after your 8 years as president and a financial bailout.>left is right and up is down i am very smartkys
>>11998621If that was true bernie would have won
>>11998633haha cable go braaaap
>>11998621Cultural socialists maybe but certainly not economically. Your mileage may vary on which is worse
>>11998563Lmao I had never heard of Rivian until now. I just checked their website, it looks so gay. It's like he can't decide if he is trying to appeal to the s o i rock climbers or manly men. Kind of like those shitty ads i get on instagram for "outdoor boxes" that give you a shitty axe and shaving cream with a straight razor to make liberals feel "manly"Check out the tincup whiskey website it literally appeals to the same audience and looks like it was made by the same webmaster fucking kekhttps://www.tincupwhiskey.com/#:~:text=AMERICAN%20WHISKEY%20CUT%20with%20Rocky,Our%20Whiskey
>>11998633why it happened
>>11998637>>11998635Ignoring all the baby Sanders elected in 18, and the "green new deal" and its broad democrat support.
>>11998644Hurricane season plus incompetent wetback locals.
>>11998623>communism is left as it gets>late stage capitalism + militaristic authoritarianism isnt right wing b8
>>11998642>It's like he can't decide if he is trying to appeal to the s o i rock climbers or manly men. Kind of like those shitty ads i get on instagram for "outdoor boxes" that give you a shitty axe and shaving cream with a straight razor to make liberals feel "manly"Those are both aimed straight down the middle at the Seattle archetype. Urban bugman during the week, traffic jams at trailheads on Saturday. It's probably driven by the Amazon bulk order of EVs for delivery, which in turn is driven by Amazon wanting nice EVs without paying Elon-chan any money.
>>11998645Sanders and the green new deal are capitalist reformism. You are so hyper-far right that even basic reform is boogeyman communism to you. Bleeding hear socialists fucking hate Obama and Biden. You're completely delusional and the political equivalent of a fundie nutjob. There is next to no worker owner ship in this country.
>>11998273fucking idiots, how many times do I have to tell you faggots that sunshades are going up on all the new satellites. i'm beginning to think you're bait
>>11998648>late stage capitalismAgain, nothing about that is right wing. Literally wikipedia has a better understanding of the term than you do>militaristic authoritarianismIs that what you think we have now? Where leftist agitators are given free reign to burn down police stations and assault court houses? Where blacks loot and murder without prosecution? Where our military is at the beck and call of a foreign nation but powerless to prevent insurrection and invasion on home soil? Give me a break
>>11998661Theyre likely Redditors. Reddit has been going off about Starlink ever since Elon tweeted “FREE AMERICA NOW!”
>>11998654Not him, but if you think anyone on the internet puts more thought into economic labels then "Socialism/Capitalism = things I don't like" then you are in for a bad time.
SPACE FLIGHT GENERAL
>>11998648All ills associated with capitalism, are from government.
>>11998648capitalism evolved from the same sources as classical liberalism, it is a center left ideology
>>11998666>moloch-worshipping bugmen tankies are so disgusting even SATAN agreed they're evil
C U R V E DB O A T T A I L S
>>11998611>Starship>maleno
>>11998648Are you just going to ignore most of the usa is a welfare state?For fucks sake your dishonesty is disgusting.
>>11998688anyone who says "late stage capitalism" or asserts capitalism has any relation to fascism is a far left radical who is blinded by their perceptions of other ideologies.
>>11998688LOL LETS GIVE NIGGERS MONEY INSTEAD OF SPACE!
Back to /sfg/, elon tweeted this not too long ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9rSrCsHDgThe absolute size of this thing
>>11998440not sure if someone posted this yet buthttps://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/984215016541847552?s=20andhttps://www.harris.senate.gov/news/press-releases/harris-colleagues-applaud-senate-passage-of-bill-to-recognize-hidden-figures-are the only space related things i can find online from kamala harris. she seems sort of pro? at least for the mars program.
>>11998686Eat shit, toei literally made a humanized starship before it was even a thing
>>11998694there are spaceport resort developers?
>>11998701SpaceX is going to make BC a tourist destination
>>11998700*Male starship
starship gf (male)
>>11998699>pass bill to say "there were blacks too"the state of the senate
>>11998699Every politician will talk proudly about a mission once it's ready to go because the work is already done. It's the willingness to actually support development that's the issue
>>11997795>>11998611
>>11998700nahfuck you and whatever thing you're trying to force
>>11998712Needs a Starliner burning up on reentry in the background with the "autistic screeching" caption.
why cant russia just make their own spacexcome on guys you could copy the shuttle, why not copy something that isnt a piece of shit
Were in the final years before spaceports and space travel will become common.I'm glad to share it with you faggots.
>>11998715The Soviet Union could copy the Shuttle. Russia can't even make a fifth gen fighter.
>>11998716I'm not i was born too early to actually be a part of it.... now i'm too old to wait until it becomes cheap so i can be a space tourist.
>>11998683OOOGH I'M COOMING
>>11998700Starship is female de geso.
>>11998715Even if they did it's not like we'd see anything of it anytime soon. The Russian Space Program makes NASA look speedy and efficient
>>11998716>Starship flies 2021/2022>Lunar Starship 2024>Men on mars before 2030>At least 1,000 people on Mars before 2050Good times
>>11998713You're just salty that a starship moe waifu would now be pointless, as fucking meta CHADler perfectly fits as anthropomorphized starship. >an improved version of a past being (cooler/ITS)>physical flaws are corrected and mitigated after damage>fucking shiny>>11998715Isn't Roscocosmos in financial shit?>>11998716Same. I'll see you from orbit.
>>11998701There are now.
I just saw a starlink train pass overhead. It was beautiful.
why was it such a stupid piece of shit bros?
Why doesn't Jef Bozo copy Redstone Mercury? Just get someone into orbit already.
>>11998734A waifu starship would be cool but a chad starship would be Cooler
>>11998734already shoving your head into your delusional ass i see
>>11998118It'd be cool if starship had like multiple styles in the interior.>main hall and general living space looks like what you'd see in a dragon>cockpit resembles a Tesla's dashboard>personal quarters look like comfy hotel rooms
>On November 29, 1968, its inaugural flight, the Astris third stage exploded. On the second attempt on July 1969, the Astris engine failed to start. On the third attempt on June 11, 1970, the stage performed correctly, but the fairing failed to separate.[3] On November 5, 1971, the Europa II launched from CSG ELA-1, had a mishap due to structural failure of the third stage. After this last failure the project was definitely cancelled.[7]
>>11998607Going to the moon for a half assed ego flag plant doesn't mean much. During his administration we got commercial crew and Constellation was ended which is a good thing. Although SLS happened. Remember than not a single president cares about space and congress is what mainly controls NASA that's why the Shuttle contractors are being kept alive.
>>11998752Watch out, I brought up the idea of "Starship's cockpit" before and got hounded by>STARSHIP WON'T HAVE A COCKPITresponses
>>11998755Manned space flight is an important moment for national unity and pride. It's something all americans can feel apart of. Plus the secondary technology applications go on to improve our lives.
>>11998714
>>11998743Because he's doing space as a many-billionaire's hobby, like collecting retarded looking expensive cars or yachts, while other more forward looking companies and individuals are doing it for the furthering of mankind. Bezos isn't the kind of man who builds O'neill cylinders or megastructures, he's the kind of man who builds a company to suck the talent out of tens of thousands of people at rock bottom prices to create a vertical monopoly on technology that existed before he adopted it. He's less of a businessman and more of a very successful professional parasite, he's not even designing his own rocket, he's copycatting off of someone who's already been radically more successful than him at rocketry, and doing petty shit like trying to sue SpaceX for example over an idea he and Blue would never be ambitious enough to actually use.
>>11998765kek
>>11998763There is no will from the government to invest in any meaningful space exploration. Look at how quickly people stopped caring about Apollo back then. If there is no actual purpose or science to be achieved then the shitty manned programs from NASA won't get anywhere. Constellation, SLS and Artemis are half assed programs. SpaceX and BO are the ones with an actual goal.
>>11998316>ywn be a maintenance engineer living on the station attached to the HKT (half kilometer telescope) at EM-L4, getting the equivalent of an astrophysics PhD just by hanging out with the on-station scientists
>>11998779Airforce/Spaceforce/NASA are shifting slowly towards rapid innovation, but they're still bottlenecked by congress who wants to keep their state jobs.
>>11998733>At least 1000 people on Mars before 2050100000 people on Mars by 2050, fuck boeing, fuck ULA, fuck reddit, and fuck "skeptics"
>>11998779>BO>Actual goal.What is their goal though? They've flown a purposeless rocket (twice?) which is basically nothing more than a toy for the super-rich to experience microgee with for a couple minutes, something that already existed in the cheaper form of high altitude planes. They've built an underpowered, oversized, highly conservative LOX/CH4 engine which they claim is going to be for another paper rocket of which no part has even materialized outside of concept art. The only thing their engine seems to be doing is getting sold to people who are capable of more rocketry ambition like ULA, who while initially slow to take up the reusability trend now seem invested in it as well. Honestly I'd put more money on ULA using BE-4 to do cool things that BO itself is too sluggish and unambitious to do themselves. I'm more excited for Copenhagen Sub than BO, they're a tiny team with a budget of like only a million bucks crowdfunded and while their shot is just going to be a single-man suborbital hop, it will have been the most significant success for a rocketry team that isn't funded by either a megacorporation or government.
>>11998740a rocket
>>11998782NASA can't do anything if congress doesn't allow it or if it's not their way. Their greatest achievements are in planetary science with their probes and rovers.You have to understand the vast majority of people from both sides are not autists like us and don't care about space.>>11998790They do have a goal I believe, hence why Bezos fished an F!1 engine from the ocean, but their company runs more more quietly than SpaceX.
>>11998574>meme
>>11998801>shitty /pol/tier memeswow
>>11998260Garriet Reisman, NASA astronaut who worked with Musk at SpaceX:>"What's really remarkable to me is the breadth of his knowledge. I mean I've met a lot of super super smart people but they're usually super super smart on one thing and he's able to have conversations with our top engineers about the software, and the most arcane aspects of that and then he'll turn to our manufacturing engineers and have discussions about some really esoteric welding process for some crazy alloy and he'll just go back and forth and his ability to do that across the different technologies that go into rockets cars and everything else he does.https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=390
>>11998607Are there really Constellation fanboys here? It was an even worse SLS
>>11998797I mean retrieving an old F-1 is cool, but what kind of goal does that imply? The F-1, in spite of being one of the coolest rockets of the old space race, is a fundamentally archaic design. With just a couple years and some software which has probably already been outmoded since, Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne designed the F-1B which is superior to it's predecessor in every significant way, it's even more combustion stable, it does away with the exhaust dump plumbing without losing ISP, it develops a good bit more thrust, it's lighter, and it's about ten times less complicated to assemble. Why would Blue want to study a piece of technology more than half a century out of date? It's like a new phone company studying a giant IBM number cruncher that fills up a building for their upcoming device.
>>11998790Their stated goal is building O'Neil cylinders out of lunar resources to move most of humanity into.
>>11998733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Cjisi_BDA
>>11998801>Welfare is the reason we can't have nice things>Meanwhile multinational corporations hoard trillions in overseas accounts and pay no taxes and make everyone else pick up the slack
>>11998260Doesn't he have like a double Bachelors, one in engineering and the other in business? His high level of autism makes me think that he's quite intelligent overall, but instead of being some kind of savant he's just able to rapidly learn about new fields that pique his interest. He's obviously at the very least smart enough and possessed of a strong enough grasp of business, engineering and programming to put together a team of people who have been extraordinarily successful in a very short amount of time compared to other similar or even larger entities with similar goals.
>>11998802life imitates art
>>11998808I think it's more so that people are upset that it was outright cancelled rather than salvaged. Imagine if when Trump entered office he cancelled SLS and authorized work to begin on an all new shuttle derived launch vehicle instead
>>11998574Viral marketing by Republicans. Notice it picks up before elections.
>>11998802That board's living rent free in your cranial cavity in'nit?
>>11998812Right, but nothing about Jeff Bezos or his companies gives me any sense that he's actually going to do that.
>>11998815why not both?
>>11998561>neoliberalism is far rightlolI do agree we dont have communism but its stupid to think any good right wing movement is pro capitalist
>>11998821see >>11998603
>>11998824I agree, but you asked about his goal, not if he will actually complete his goal. Maybe he will start being a lot more serious after starship launches.
>>11998573Thats not fascism though lol. Thats just liberalism at its end state.
>>11998765it's beautiful, anon
>>11998603>>11998830You mean the years when SpaceX was just getting off the ground and recieved the funding and contracts it needed? I remember.
>>11998833Marxists call whatever they don't like fascism anon. Kind of like how modern conservatives (read: neoliberals) call anything they don't like communism.
>>11998835Uninformed retard or weak bait
>>11998780>ywn go fishing for ice whales from chandelier colonies in Neptune's upper atmosphere while making butt jokes about the Uranians>ywn "yo dawg" your marriage by proposing in the light of of Saturn's rings>ywn drop communists out of orbiters into Jupiter's great red spot>ywn see the sun rise over Ceres>ywn retire on Mars unless you get elonbux
>>11998260>So is Musk legitimately smart, or does he just have enough sense to hire smart peopleBoth. He's been noted to have photographic memory or atleast have a very good memory with regards to specifics of information. Maybe its not his memory but rather his heuristics at play. The first-principle thinking at the core of his rationals. Reduce every complex tasks to the very minimal viable aspects and then build on top of it. If this isnt' his genius ability, then it very well emulates genius-like ability to learn/understand/explain/conceptualize everything he's interested in. He's a child entrepeneur who mad his first $500 selling computer game he made to local shop. Then sold yelp+google maps software before those companies/ideas existed a decade or two earlier. Then merged his online payment company with another company to form paypal, which he sold. Then created spacex and co-founded Tesla at its infancy. He's a modern day polymath. Has physics/business degree, but is a programmer/rocket engineer/car engineer/etc.
>>11998835SpaceX originally entered the CRS contract under Bush
>>11998838Sam Anon here. I'm a fascist and it shows how retarded they are(on both sides) to just call something they dont like fascist. We have whole books on our ideals read that first before using that word. It irks me
>>11998733>>At least 1,000 people on Mars before 2050That will be the biggest failure of humanity. Only 1.000 people on Mars 20 years after the first manned missions? Starship will take people there around 2024 - 2026, that ship is capable of delivering 100 passengers.
>>11998844>ywn retire on Mars unless you get elonbuxjust sell your house, it'll give you 250k for the trip
>>11998815>Meanwhile multinational corporations hoard trillions in overseas accounts and pay no taxes and make everyone else pick up the slackPeople can do whatever they want with their money so they can hoard it as much as they like. Also while i agree that tax evasion should be dealt with, i probably wouldn't pay taxes as a billionaire either if i knew that most of it would go to the welfare citizens who only recieve it because it functions as a bribe to vote democrats. Who wants to pay the voterbase of their political opposition?
>>11998850We don't live in perfect ideal society, anon. Elon's projects will fall short here/there, he might get sick or die or get caught up in legal issues or some setbacks happen. There are lot of ways things can fuck up and only 1 way things could go perfect.
>>11998849Go larp somewhere else kid
>>11998858nah
>>11998849>>11998838All commies and fascists should be executed.
>>11998849They're too lazy to do anything but ask people if they've read marx>>11998850>that ship is capable of delivering 100 passengersmore like 40. A somewhat optimistic but still realistic timeline would be orbital in late Q2 2021 or early Q3 2021, 4 cargo ships to Mars in 2022, 4 more in 2024, and probably 12 man crew in 2026. Followed by several more scientific expeditions in 2029 and the early 2030s working on both gathering scientific data and setting up the early colony, with the first non-scientist/non-SpaceX employee colonists arriving in the mid 2030s. By the 2040s, starship 2.0. might be ready, and that ship probably could bring 100 people to Mars at once. By 2050, we may have around 50-100 thousand people at Mars.
>>11998858>If you don't have my political ideology you're a larping kidgreat way to make people agree with you >>11998869i'm not going to kill myself, but i'd be fine with letting you kill yourself
>>11998869Hazardously based, the poison tree of socialism should be ripped from every society it has infested by the roots.
>>11998875there WILL be a fascist titan colony anon
>>11998455Google image search Obama NASA
>>11998857The problem is that it's not only Elon that wants to claim land on that planet, the United States wants too so does China. If the americans slip up the chinese will conquer the rest of the solar system, i'm pretty sure by 2050 we will have at least 100k people, by them chinese or americans.
>>11998879Mars will be an aristocracy
>>11998844>unless you get elonbuxThey're currently called TSLA shares and they are about to split so you'll be able to afford them. The new price will be around $300 each.
feudal mars when?
>>11998607Obama was just poorly articulating Mars being a grander goal as some people see it.
>>11998607>Obama plans mission to Mars>democrats are anti-anything space related
>>11998911Future human society will be demigod AI-symbiotes vying for power between each other and ruling over the luddite masses who fear the merge
>>11998919I thought Obama was about an asteroid intercept mission?
>>11998923and then what
>>11998912I went to confirm that news since I hadn't heard about the split, then checked my charts app to see how that affected aftermarket trades. Forgot I had it on the 1-year view and almost shit myself when I saw [+$1139]
>>11998935After that, it fractures and it no longer makes sense to assess humanity as a whole. Most of the demigods would leave, I imagine, to go do their own thing and harvest other solar systems to increase their computing power.
>>11998765>2 parachutesi kek
>>11998911>>11998913Feudal dune like interstellar empire with great houses ruling planets and large houses and lesser houses owning individual space stations/smaller moons/regions of planets and larger moons WHEN?
>>11998957After the Machines leave
>>11998911Heinleinism A merit based approach to granting covic franchise. That demands civic duty that forces responsibility to the nation above self interest.
>>11998700>Usurping a long history of referring to ships as female>for a dbz reference
>>11998938I had a similar reaction today when I bought five shares after hours and checked the price a short while later to find they were up nearly $100 each when news of the split broke.
>>11998982the germans refer to ships as males
>>11998969Brian Herbert books aren't Canon. The jihad was a cultural revolution. Not a literal war against AI and cyborgs.
Post rare rocket failureshttps://youtu.be/PK_yguLapgA?t=88
>>11998912Jesus, between that and battery day and another potential hop and the neuralink presentation on the 28th it's going to be a wild couple weeks for Musk. I'm hoping for some good battery day announcements. Musk keeps delaying it because he wants it to be a huge event, so I wonder what process/technology/cost improvement he's so jazzed about.
>>11998990Well they're canon to reality, because we're getting the Machines.
>>11998993just like my KSP with FAR installed!
>>11998928Timeline:1. Obama's new NASA plans are revealed in the FY2011 budget rollout. It ends Constellation, and instead has a bunch of new initiatives mainlined by investments into exploration research and technology that would be Mars related for future Mars oriented hardware development phases. Solar electric propulsion, inflatable habs, fuel depot demo. + some rocket engine development programs ahead of a 2015 selection date for a competed super/heavy lift rocket program. +some exploration probe/rover missions too, including a moon rover. + commercial crew, but with better funding2. Some people complain it is bad because it doesn't have a destination timeline.3. Obama declares visiting an Asteroid in 2025 as a destination and timeline metric as a response. This isn't asteroid redirect. This could be thought of as a shakedown cruise of a human Mars ship as a follow on to those technology investments to an easier asteroid destination before later Mars missions. 4. This plan didn't have a SLS like rocket. People who wanted that succeeded in getting SLS installed instead of the Mars technology program.5. SLS sucked up all the money and development time and so timelines were pushed out and there was no room or likelihood of the actual asteroid mission being lived up to.6. Someone thought up asteroid redirect mission.7. Asteroid redirect mission became a thing in this post SLS period as something small that could be done, even though it was something else entirely.
Can you wank the cock in space?
>>11999022hard to get hard, since not as much blood pressure/flow/whatever.
>desperately googling for literally any scrap of information regarding Biden's or Harris's stance on space policy>literally, exactly nothingdamn... I HOPE this means they give so little of a shit that they'll leave big jim in charge and let congress squabble over the budget, but I'm not very confident in that. Mostly likely cancellation of Artemis, reversal of all aspirational space policy (manned space exploration) and back to the jobs programs and outreach.
>>11999022it's been done
>>11999033SpaceNews tries to aggregate the space stances of presidential campaigns going in to the election. usually they all respond
>>11999030>space station with artificial gravity ring>storage closets smell of sex stank
>>11999033>jobs programs and outreachJobs programs are the fault of Republicans wanting to keep contractors open.
>>11999044implying jobs programs aren't bipartisan
>>11998821>>11999033
>>11999033>hey fellow kids and spacenerds, vote for Trump and he'll make all of your dreams come true. I'm totally not a paid shill btw.
>>11999061at least he wont open the borders so america becomes a latin america tier shithole in 20 years
>>11998911It will be a technocracy led by scientists. Anyone who says anything else is just pretending that their own political opinion is objectively right and that everyone will agree with them.
>>11999063Nah he'll just continue to crush the middle class so we'll have an elite plutocracy of trillionaires with hundreds of millions of slaves.
>>11999074the republicans are the democrats on the speed limit anyways. its better to keep america stable for a little longer so the mars colony is closer to self sufficiency when shit hits the fan
Will SpaceX ever accept corporate sponsors or advertising?
>>11997448>Why are there no good artist's renditions of this yetNeopork will likely do it.>>11997618No anon, Elon has a very unique big brain, not a NASA brain.
>>11998994I think it will be improvements to energy density and longevity with substantial cost savings because of the dry-cell electrode technology they picked up from Maxwell. Tesla will go heavily into cell production which will become the limiting factor in all EV production. Already automakers are starting to become battery supply constrained and they are pushing back their production dates because they can't find enough batteries. Basically Tesla will be showing that they hit the final nail in the coffin for the internal combustion engine vehicles and they can now produce electric drivetrains cheaper than ICE. It's huge because they already have much better performance and they're cheaper to operate. They are only going to get better as the technology has much more room to advance than ICE.
>>11999084Well, Google has given SpaceX a lot of money
>>11999049>>11999061is accusing real discussion about the void of space policy in the upcoming election for control over the largest and most powerful government space agency in the world of being astroturfing the real astroturfing? Sincerely, I don't know what's so hard to understand about it being sketchy that Biden has weighed in on serious space-related legislation exactly 0 times in his 50 year career.
>>11999099I’m 99% sure Biden will just1) Cancel Artemis, or postpone it2) Fund several more climate observatories3) Still push development of SLS4) Largely not care about Starship5) Restructure NASA to work more on “outreach”.6) Tweet about space once in a while when something PopSci happens (Perseverence landing, Dearmoon if it happens, etc.)This isn’t wild speculation this is literally what happened under Obama. The best thing Trump did was pushing Artemis, as SpaceX got $100 million they didn’t have.
>>11999115Artemis is just another half assed reason to keep SLS alive. More funding for science would be a good thing.
https://www.space.com/firefly-aerospace-alpha-rocket-launch-2020.htmlFirefly moving forward and burns a cake.
>>11999124I have nothing against climate observatories because I do think Earth science is cool, but holy shit those mental gymnastics to justify canceling Artemis.
>>11999128Read>>11998779Neither Bush, Obama not Trump or Biden give a fuck about NASA or space. Constellation and SLS is congress mandated jobs programs and none are actual meaningful pushes for long lasting space exploration. Science mission have always been superior investments.
>>11999128Climate should be done by someone outside nasa. Nasa should do 2 things.1. Make cool shit that flies2. Send people and robots out into space.
>>11999128>>11999144Climate should be NOAA
Calling it now, this X will be on every starship and they paint it white or silver
>>11999140This. Trump NPCs think he cares about space just because they do.
Has Blue Origin publicly uttered a single word about New Armstrong or is it just an assumption of the natural progression of their vehicles? Because New Glenn is kinda cool sure, but it seems like an upscaled Falcon 9, being only capable of recovering the first stage. Obviously throwing away ANY part of a ship each flight is untenable for making humanity live out in space as Blue Origin hopes so they must have some kind of larger endgame vehicle planned right?
>>11999165They need to start testing tile attachment on falcon launches. Just slap a ring of tgem around the first stage and point a camera at them.
>>11998989Are we speaking German?Is starship German? The only thing your statement tells me is that Germany should have its coast confiscated.
>>11999168>Has Blue Origin publicly uttered a single word about New Armstrong or is it just an assumption of the natural progression of their vehicles?I think it's just a rumor based upon Blue Origin seemingly preparing for a rocket larger than New Glenn (investigating F-1s, trying to get LC-49, skipped BE-5 and BE-6, etc). No one outside of Blue Origin knows what it really is, and we will probably never know until they make an official statement.
>>11999140>>11999166Trump at least sees the value of space as a strategic domain and a way to demonstrate American superiority, which is good because that's what got us Apollo.>buh buh buh no he doesn'tWrong.>Space Council>Big Jim>doubling down on Commercial Crew and Commercial Cargo>pushing NASA to accelerate moon and Mars astronaut timelines>legal framework for asteroid mining>Artemis Accords
>>11999144If Climatards are so fucking intent on having better Earth observations, they ought to get their asses in gear and build their own Earth facing telescopes and leave NASA the fuck alone to create rockets or hire people to create rockets to launch them.
>>11999176not NA eh?
>>11999168No, but it is commonly assumed that Armstrong will likely be around the same size as Starship and be overall pretty similar. Reusable Methalox first stage with several clusters of engines and the like. The second stage may be methalox too but it’s up in the air.
>>11999178If they were at all intellectually consistent they'd love Starship. It's big, it's cheap, it's reusable, and its engines convert potent greenhouse gases (methane) to weak ones (CO2, water). Using Starship to launch climate observatories, and using Starlink to put more of the world's economy online to reduce emissions from physically driving around everywhere, should be big wins for them, aside from everything Tesla does.
>>11999177Don't waste the keystrokes Anon, if evil quadruple-hitler BRUMPF came out in support of air, TDS sufferers would stop breathing in protest. Hey, that's not a bad idea actually.
>>11999177This. While sure he’s not a /SFG/fag who increases NASA’s budget to $1 trillion a year, he’s the best space president since Reagan. Even Reagan was “okay”.The dude you’re replying too won’t believe it though so don’t bother
>>11999177Are you so naive to fall for his transparent bullshit? Hes trying to get clout from SpaceX's success of an era Obama program. Either way the Presidents don't directly influence space policy. Obama and Bush also had ambitious plans and not much happened.
>>11999190Yes, his inaugural address, nominating Big Jim, and putting Pence in charge of the Space Council all before Falcon Heavy had even flown, were about SpaceX succeeding with an Obama program. Fucking retard.
>>11999192Just as empty as Obama's ad Bush's plans. The only positive thing has been Jim and that's because he likes SpaceX
>>11999177>Trump takes credit for the programs started by the previous two presidentsWhat's pathetic is that his mindless drone supporters believe him.>>11999183Do you have actual thoughts or is it just memes?
>>11999190>Hes trying to get clout from SpaceX's success of an era Obama programWasn't the program started by Bush Jr?
>>11999198Yes lol.
>trump good>space good>trump space>biden bad>space good>biden no space
>>11999197You should try to lighten up buddy before the TDS pops a blood vessel in your brain. Opining any further than a quick meme though would be wasted on you, and off topic to boot.
>>11999168Beyond Blue Origin generally being more secretive than other companies, I think people are more likely to assume they have some type of secret new rocket in the works because Jeff Bezos looks like a supervillain and he is obsessed with upstaging Elon Musk but that may account for much when the company has been proven to be slow and inefficient. If we look at the other spaceflight companies, they're all fucked and have no real plan to counter Starship. SpaceX will be printing money with Starlink but Blue Origin may struggle for funding because they don't own Project Kuiper. They're probably going to be late into the space tourism market as well. I think in a best case scenario they'll be a far behind number two spaceflight company in the foreseeable future.
>>11999198It's just like the fucking economy, it's Obama's when it's doing something good and somebody else's whenever something's going bad. Amazing how somebody who got the maximum number of normal presidential terms can be so completely free of responsibility for all fuckups, even ones which are direct results of their policies.
Stop screeching about politics. Look at these cute vernier thrusters.
>>11999204Cope. Wait until Biden cancels Artemis and watch EverydayEstrogenaut and Scott Mickley come out to say why that’s a good thing and why we need more climate observatories.
>>11999204This but unironically.
>>11999211Bezos is creepy looking. Elon is actually pretty handsome even as when he’s in /fatfuckmode/. Also Bezos is a slimy worm who cheats on his wife and sends creepy texts while Elon literally hangs musicians and actresses
>>11999214They look like little aliens.>toot toot
>>11999214Cute, CUTE! At some point I really want to put something like these together, not specifically a vernier but a rocket of this scale. I would have had a good chunk of the money needed to start such a project saved up if it weren't for this fucking coof and all the absolute histrionic bullshit quarantine that's fucked me out of employment for the past 3+ months.
>>11999224They do look like some mechanical pengu.>>11999226I wanted to make something of similar scale and got the rug pulled out from under me due to covid too. A plan I had awhile ago was to make a biprop engine ideal for garage mechanics to make, but it didn't really pan out. Now I'm making cheap solid propellant motors, but I might try for a hybrid motor. Good luck with your stuff though.
>>11999224I think you mean... >NOOT NOOT
>>11999198It had its starts with Bush in Commercial cargo to ISS by private providers but Commercial Crew that lead to Dragon and Starliner began in 2010.
>>11999233>If only you knew I had to fly on Starliner
>>11999233That is giving the sickness and selling the cure. Obama was the person who finally decided to retire the shuttle and now he is getting credit for the very late replacement of it that cost taxpayers billions extra and damaged America's reputation, and I say that as someone who isn't American. Very few things should be considered more shameful than begging the Russians for flights.
>>11999232>NEWT NEWT
>>11999253The Shuttle program had Soyuz purchases. Constellation also had Soyuz purchases.
>>11999232Pat the noot noot thruster.
>>11999253The space shuttle was cancelled in the previous admin, it just fell in Obama's lap when he became pres.
>>11999253The shuttle's mess began even before Bush Jr. What are you on about?
>>11999253Bush Jr cancelled the shuttle.
>>11999259Those should be considered optional purchases. There was nothing optional about having zero human spaceflight capability for years. You were publicly fucked by the Russians in front of the rest of the world and were helpless as they kept increasing prices. >>11999267>>11999272>>11999273It officially retired under Obama. He could have extended it and chose not to, just like he canned the Constellation program in 2010. He had no love for the commercialization of spaceflight, he only started Commercial Crew because it allowed for lower funding which he then frivolously spent elsewhere.
>>11999297>He could have extendedNo. The shuttle was destined to fail because of the retarded requests from the military. It should have been canned by the year 2000. The politics that lead to Constellation and SLS being a mess have nothing to do with any president.
>>11999297Obama was a piece of shit. People only liked him because he was black and because the media sucked him off 24/7, but he actually sucked as a president.
>>11997788Mechanical counter pressure suits are definitely the future, but they still have unsolved material science problems. Hard shell suits like the ax-2 and ax-3 seem like they could be deployed relatively soon, and from looking at images of the ax-2 suit it almost seems like you could take that exact suit out of storage and just start using it. It also seems like it could be built relatively cheaply.
>>11999323We need to find a material that could absorb or reflect radiation well enough to enable human exploration of europa and io
>>11999309Are you saying it was impossible to have extended shuttle missions after 2011 with funding from Obama's NASA Authorization Act of 2010? The shuttle should have been retired decades ago, no one is arguing otherwise, but it should have only been retired with a viable alternative, it wasn't, and that is solely Obama's fault. It's also possible that the Ares I would have been ready for Crew Dragon if he didn't tear down the Constellation program. Unironically "thanks Obama".
>>11999309This, if anyone's to blame it's the Chairforce.
>>11999214
>>11999323Lmao look at the top of his heeeeeead
>>11999332Nonsense. The alternative should have been in development long before Obama and that was Constellation. The Ares I was a clusterfuck deathtrap and again it goes back to Shuttle contractor bullshit.
>>11999344I hope SLS kills somebody or RUD's into the shadow realm on its maiden flight so the whole thing is shut down and all the contractors live the rest of their lives in infamy.
>>11999327A hardsuit at least should suffice, since it can obviously be built much heavier and out of much denser materials compared to a softsuit. Also with properly hardened cameras there's no real necessity for a transparent, unshielded faceplate.
>>11999344Astronauts dying on Ares or the Shuttle would have been less embarrassing and tragic than losing US spaceflight capability for years. It's not like Obama was against contractor bullshit either, he funded SLS.
'bama didn't even fully fund Commercial Crew.
'Bama is a fucking nigger.
>>11998694so I guess it serves as a place for paying customers to stay while they wait to go up in their rocket and for facility tourists / rocket launch watchers
>>11999349A camera failure would be scary as fuck. You'd be stuck on the Martian surface like Helen Keller. You could probably get away with two little peepholes and a simple mirror/magnification system that gives you a large FOV though... that would minimize glass and radiation exposure
>>11999360what about camera and then in an emergency you can release some latches and slide the shielded faceplate off for a regular glass one underneath?
>>11999351That was cooking long before 2008. How is Constellation's failure Obama's fault? NASA can't just create a launch vehicle from thin air.You're still failing to see that a President doesn't sit around and plan what NASA does. They're controlled by congress.
>>11999084They've already advertised for Tesla
>>11999360If you make the cameras as sturdy as the current visors are, there should be no problem unless you somehow manage to slam your head so hard into something that the impact could shatter quartz. On top of that, by having a solid head/torso piece with a thick outer shell you could make plenty of space for redundancy. Even if you lost some of them the others could preserve your vision and you could return to a hab or ship to have the optic replaced. It's not as if high quality cameras are large or particularly delicate these days, you could almost just use a couple redundant sets of Iphone cams recessed under protective quartz blisters at this point.
>>11999038https://spacenews.com/democratic-platform-calls-for-continuity-in-nasa-programs/From a few weeks ago, regarding Biden>Space was not an issue during the race for the nomination, and his campaign did not respond to a brief set of questions from SpaceNews on space issues last September or in February.
>>11999363>>11999371Okay kind of a dumb question on my end by why even replace a glass helmet? Does it have something to do with Martian radiation? Or is it just for safety in case your helmet breaks
>>11999364>How is Constellation's failure Obama's fault?It was his own act that cancelled Constellation and he was one of the most vocal opponents against the program. I'm not suggesting that Obama has full power over NASA's decisions, but he was steering the ship politically and his actions should by any reasonable standard be considered terrible for spaceflight.
>>11999347Would that happen though? It does have a crew abort. Or would the SRBs be what kills the crew in that scenario?
>>11999386The SRBs would punch burning holes into the parachutes.God it would be funny if SLS pulls a SN4 and detonated during the green run and takes out the facility. Like holy shit though it’s been sitting outside for half a year.
>>11999376Both, a solid hardsuit can carry more robust radiation shielding everywhere, and if built properly it can act as a true suit of armor. No more worrying about busting your PLSS and dying horrifically of asphyxiation because you tripped and bumped a rock, or busting your visor. You could also somewhat simplify the whole helmet section of the suit by simply integrating it into the chestpiece and having it be a solid unmoving case around the head.
>>11999374Their claimed support doesn't even mean anything until they're actually in office. Then it may become Whitey on the Moon 2: Electric Boogaloo and the funding for Artemis will dwindle.
>>11999386I think SLS will be fine. It's crew abort system will make it safer than shuttle and (presumably) safer than Ares I. It's still a dumb rocket though lmao I have a feeling something is bound to go wrong somewhere
>>11999392How bad is radiation on Mars I feel really retarded for not knowing. Also live by the rock die by the rock; if I go to Mars for geology and a cool outcrop kills me I will accept the fate lmao
>>11999380Constellation shouldn't have happened in the first place. It was even more hopeless than SLS after the shitshow that was the Ares I. NASA doesn't even have power over NASA's decisions. Do you actually think anyone in NASA wanted to continue reusing Shuttle hardware? There are many concepts for viable Shuttle replacements by NASA that get posted in these threads all the time. The decisions that lead to NASA's current state were done long before Obama.
>>11999356>>11999353'Bama can suck our collective micro penises.
>>11998982Yes.>>11999416Thought you were talking shit about Alabama.
>>11999404Same bro. If I go to Mars and I die from accidentally falling into my suit life support do be it.
>>11999404It's really not that bad, about 30 microsieverts an hour at solar minimum, and 3 milisieverts an hour at solar maximum. I'd imagine this would be further attenuated though using a harsuit, and while 50 milisieverts is the limit for dosage in say industrial or medical work, populations exposed to up to 300 milisieverts a year show little to no long term negative effects. Martian colonists shouldn't have anything to worry about, contamination from dust would be a greater concern than direct UV exposure during excursions.
>>11999405So if you were president during this period you would have cancelled both Constellation and the Shuttle and not supported fully funding Commercial Crew despite it being less than 1/3500th of the total federal budget? Both Obama and NASA have culpability, but no one is arguing that NASA didn't fuck up, they're arguing that Obama dindu nuffin'. Other politicians are culpable too but Obama was particularly bad because it increased the time without spaceflight capability and created a large setback that we only recently overcame thanks to SpaceX. The last person who should be given credit in this situation is Obama.
>>11998747I fucking hate you
>>11999429The president simply doesn't control NASA's budget. The lack of astronaut launches was going to happen anyway because Constellation failed. SLS was proposed because again, congress controls NASA and they wanted to keep the Shuttle jobs alive. Same goes for the funding that congress gave for commercial crew at the time and the bias against SpaceX that certain congressmen have.
>>11999420dbz is outstandingly shit, which is impressive considering how bad the rest of anime is. Quit being a faggot.
>>11999472Ah, I thought you were one of them moefags who decide that rockets HAVE to be drawn as le cute 'totallly not generic' anime girls, my bad
>>11999470>>11999429I have to repeat myself again, but the politics that lead that situation long predate Obama
>>11999480there's absolutely nothing wrong with generic anime girls, especially when you dress them up in pretty clothes or change the shape of their face or change the color of their hair
>>11999174They’re probably closer, development-wise, at testing them on Starship itself. 20 km hop isn’t that far away.
>>11999470>The president simply doesn't control NASA's budget. He literally wrote the NASA Authorization Act of 2010 and specifically requested the budget that would be given to NASA. He could have increased the budget at his discretion, instead he decided to cut funding, and it passed without any real provisions. The gap in human spaceflight persisted because of the lack of funding for Commercial Crew, this has been alluded to by SpaceX and Elon Musk. I don't care if you like Obama personally, it doesn't matter, but you should be able to admit he made a bad situation worse.
Starlink testhttps://www.speedtest.net/result/9898715719
>>11999554Ajit Pai on suicide watch
>>11999554>My shitty internet has lower ping than StarlinkOH NO NO NO, it's all over for them. They will never recover or get closer ground stations.
>>11999554that's like 4x faster than the shitnet I can get here in california, sign me the fuck up
>>11999511>He literally wrote the NASA Authorization Act of 2010 That's not written by the president himself and it carries the after mentioned problems that have literally been going on since the 90's. by cutting funding do you mean the cut in funding for ending Constellation. Commercial crew should have been funded more obviously, but at the time SpaceX was yet to fly cargo to ISS and it had many naysayers in the government. Hindsight is 20/20>I don't care if you like Obama personally, it doesn't matter, but you should be able to admit he made a bad situation worse.As I've said before not a single president cares about space, and I never liked SLS, but at the time all the intense lobbying that had been going on for decades were too deep rooted. No one wanted to be the person to leave thousands of high payed workers unemployed hence why SLS still lives on today. Same with Artemis, more contractor jobs.
>>11998607>Constellation being worth anything
>>11999554That's better than what I get for $80/mo near fucking downtown Houston, and this is at 5% constellation deployment.The entire rural community of every country that Starlink is allowed to serve will be clamoring to shove money into Elon's face.
>>11999554Source?
>>11999593You're splitting hairs, it was written at his direction and he had complete control over the budget that they were requesting as well as any cancellations or continuations of NASA programs over the next four years. It was possible that the house and congress would have altered the budget but that didn't happen. Funding to numerous programs were cut, including commercial crew which is the most egregious because the full amount would barely be any spending out of the three plus trillion dollar budget and it was his own directive, he had an obligation to bring back spaceflight capability in a timely manner. If it wasn't for the efforts of SpaceX in the face of inadequate funding, we would have gone over a decade without any US capability. Commercial Crew was a success in spite of Obama, not because of him. I'm just going to stop responding because this is going in circles and it's old news.
>>11999604Yeah, the one the front fell off? That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point
Chinese manned flyby/landing for space race 2.0 when?
>>11999627Do you really think Obama or any president knows about the latest promising engine design? They're just given some numbers written by others. You're giving the president too much credit and agency when in matters like this he just listens to advisors who said "yeah that new HLV will totally work I'm told and it will be a popular decision". The government administration of NASA is rotten to the core.
>>11999646>Do you really think Obama or any president knows about the latest promising engine design?No, I simply think the president is responsible for his actions and he should be judged accordingly regardless of his personal knowledge on the subject. There is zero need to defend someone with that much influence and power.
>>11999593>>11999627>caring about republicans or democrats>my liberals are better then your liberals>not caring about the father of space travelshame anons....shame
>>11999651> Vandal of London, "Father of space travel"R-7 family is still used, Saturn V is a dead bitch.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1293250111821295616Some fun Berger tweets>After speaking to a few leaders in the traditional aerospace community it seems like a *lot* of skepticism about Starship remains post SN5. Now, they've got a ways to go. But if your business model is premised on SpaceX failing at building rockets, history is against you.>Everything from "They shouldn't be blowing up that many tanks" to "It's a stunt" to "they're not close to solving the technical problems."
>>11999657Russia also has the 2nd most cucked space program after ESA
$700+ billion NASA budget!Grand program to perform manned return flybys of all planets plus the Sun, Pluto, Ceres!Space habitat as US state!
iSatellites by Apple when?
>>11999657>getting mad over a few dead people in a warlol
>>11999666hopefully never double satan
>>11999665Fund it. Throw some more money in there to look for hot alien babes. t. me as the president
>>11999660Well to be fair a lot about Starship is unknown at the moment. SpaceX has yet to build the first stage or fly one for more than a minute. They also have yet to demonstrate the ability to have 31 raptors firing at once without collapsing the ship.Remember though that even an expendable Starship costs less than $100 million to build, and a Partially Reusable one likely costs as much as a vanilla Falcon 9 launch.
N1-style failures for first manned used of Starship!
Just wanting to keep myself out of an echochamber: Is there anyone here who unironically supports left-wing views. Specifically, people who defend Obama's actions w/ regard to NASA and spaceflight? Extra points if you seriously, unironically 100% support Marxism and progressive politics....Just trying to get some interesting new perspectives on spaceflight. Not trying to argue politics
>>11999680>N1-style failures for first manned used of Starship!
Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.
>>11999674Also, tell Boeing they have one full year to launch SLS with some of their executives on it. Any failure will mean they will be forever cut off from public funding.
are modular satellites actually a thing irlredpill me on satellite designt. trying to make common satellite bus for all the basic orbital contracts in ksp
>>11999684Posadist-Tankie here.NASA needs a trillion-dollar budget and there needs to a space-industrial complex to consume and overwhelm the military-industrial one. There needs to be orbital habitats over all the planets of the solar system and over the dwarfs and the Sun as well. Progressive change in society must be achieved by forced progressive change in technology.Give all black Americans Pluto as reparations. Switch the American military stance from endless wars of intervention to strong deterrence with nuclear railguns on the moon and fractional orbital bombardment systems.Actually force minorities at gunpoint to produce scientific research instead of mere tokenry as NASA representatives.Flyby Alpha-Centauri and if there is a habitable planet, deport criminals there.Push for Mexicans and other third world countries to have space colonization programs so they colonize space instead of immigrating to American cities.Failing that, push for China to become a spacefaring power so that a space race happens again from American fear of a Chinese solar system.
>>11999700BASED
>>11999699Yes. Look up “Modular Common Spacecraft Bus”. It’s only flown once though but it’s supposed to be modular. In real life many satellites use the same bus but have some different attachments.For example, ESA’s Herschel and Planck telescopes used the same bus, but had different instruments.
>>11999694I can’t tell if Charlie Bolden is retarded or not because his logic is shit tier.>Falcon Heavy is three Falcon 9’s strapped together>Falcon 9 has indeed flown before>Bolden even admits that Falcon Heavy is “just” three Falcon 9’s strapped together>He still thinks Falcon Heavy is untested and may not ever fly>”Oh idk if Falcon Heavy will fly no one’s tested the components yet haha”What stupid goddamn logic is that?
>>11999712Had to justify the continued existence of the SLS program
>>11999715Charlie it’s time to defend SLS>Yes massa Boeing
>>11999684>left-wing viewsMeaningless statement since commies also made strides in spaceflight so in regard with this topic it's irrelevant.>people who defend Obama's actions w/ regard to NASA and spaceflightI haven't defended Obama. The government has mismanaged NASA for decades and it became a funding agency for guaranteeing certain contractor's existence. Obama was part of the problem but also was Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Trump. I also think the president has limited agency with what happens in NASA.>support Marxism and progressive politicsNot the same thing. Marxism is retarded but I do support progressive social politics. Like I said it has little to do with spaceflight.
>>11999734There absolutely needs to be a third dimension for any political compass with regards to space exploration, an axis for "gravity-bound" and "newtype"
>November 24 Hohmann window to Mercury> no missions
>>11999752dont worry bro boopiscolumbia will be getting there ANY DECADE NOW
>>11999723essentially
>>11999752I keep getting this background sense of dread about Perseverance missing this synod before I remember that it already launched. It's like those dreams about not having studied for a test despite not having been in school for years.
>>11999700>Actually force minorities at gunpoint to produce scientific research instead of mere tokenry as NASA representativeslmao they'd be functionally extinct in a decade
>>11999774Fuck I hate high school dreams.
>>11999700>Give all black Americans Pluto as reparations. no
>>11999700>Give all Black Americans an ocean worldLmao
>>11999680It's likely 100's of unmanned Starship flight before a manned Starship, dumbass.
>>11999786I just know that a couple thousand years from now when I'm a cyborg chilling in interstellar space, I'm going to have a meditation vision where I forgot to put my completed homework in my backpack before going to school.
>>11999827It’s funny to think that in our unaltered lifetimes we may see life extension that can help us end up living thousands of years.These are great days bro’s.>Colonization of the Moon and Mars in the 2030s>Colonization of the outer planets in the 2050s-2060s.>Transhumanism actually happens
>>11999774same but with SN5 hopping
>>11999699It's the basic idea behind Rocket Lab's Photon, a combo kickstage / satellite bus.
>>11999684Obama was correct when he cancelled Constellation, everything else he did was garbo and fuck leftistshe even did Commercial Crew wrong
>>11999660OldSpace can't see whats ahead of them. Only what's behind them. They still think SpaceX is flying fake rockets and not a "real" rocket company. Once Starship makes it to orbit, they'll wake up the next day and move on to "ITS ONLY ORBIT, ITS NOT MARS!!!!" logic. Traditional people can't be convinced.
>>11999866Cancelling Constellation was excusable because it never would’ve worked anyways.Underfunding commercial crew was retarded though.
>>11999891CCDev should have been under the exact same kind of agreement as COTS, but it wasn't, it was a more traditional agreement that gave NASA much more power to meddle than COTS did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I55LkRz3Gokcontemplate the aroma
>>11999865>>11999706well I fucked around for a few hours trying different probe cores and procedural shapes, but I ended up just making them buckets with some RCS and a pair of solar panels on them because fuck everything
>>11999952Looks perfect bro. As Astra per Aspera
So if Starship has a said I would she be very gassy and farting all the time? And would she be smelly? I’m just curious.>Starship-Chan>She’s the 6 foot 6 Volleyball player who has a bright future>She always wears a bunch of makeup that is super shiny>She has bowel problems though and farts a lot>She also smells like methane 24/7> She spends all her time hanging out with Ms. Saturn V, who used to be the hottest girl in school baxk when she went there 20 years ago.
https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Space_Engines/Rocketdyne_Engines.htm
>>11999961methane doesn't have much of a smell, farts smell due to sulfur compounds (of which purified methane has none)
>>11999952>>11999957we bucketlink soon bros
How does spacex plan to launc so many sattelites in orbit without ruining framerate for everyone?
>>12000016imagine the smell
>>12000018>salty wetlands, fresh iron, salty ironworkershome
>>12000016I love how you can distinguish SN5 from all the others thanks to its cute little hat
>>12000040>cute little hatthat's a twenty ton chunk of steel, anon
>TFW born just a BIT too early to see cool depots and terraformingBros all we are going to get is a few hundred or thousand people living on an outpost living day to day on Earth resupplies. We might have been born to early to see Mars producing stuff and selling it like the early american colonies. We might not ever get depots other than a small shitty ULA one. We only get to experience the dull beginning like the pre-colonial and pre-exploration past of Earth
i wonder how close this will be to how SN8 looks
>>12000084It won't have a pig on the side.
>>12000090i know, i was more talking about the aero surfaces and the welds
dc-x WHENlockheed lander WHEN
>>12000077>We only get to experience the dull beginning like the pre-colonial and pre-exploration past of EarthHardly. With such cheap yeetage we might see 10x or more the number of science and exploration missions compared to now, including such massive space telescopes that we might even image extra-solar planets and confirm that life exists off Earth. Which would be nice
>>12000118It'll be cool to have a world where small groups of people can finance and construct their own space telescopes, satellites, etc etc, and where NEO asteroid mining and moon mining is actually viable.
>>12000128>/pol/ puts a toy Nazi flying saucer in lunar orbit to fuck with /x/
>mix up payloads and launch sat into the orbit a different customer wanted>haha woops>launch the sat that was supposed to go to that orbit>RCS fucks up somehow and it goes into uncontrollable spinning after separation from upper stageoh well good thing you guys bought launch insurance right
why isn't there anyone other than maybe scott manlet that makes /sfg/ related videos that aren't physically painful to listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DacGl9drefg*inhales*
>>12000196mach diamonds make my penis the big penis
take the bucketpill bros
>>12000216NOOOO SPACE NEEDS TO BE AESTHETIC
>>12000116>mars atv
>>11999214Baby Daleks.
>>11999611The source is right there man, the result link.
>>11999423Very interesting. Thank you. I’m beginning to jump on the hardsuit train, because counterpressure suits are starting to seem like a meme to me
>>12000297Wouldn't that be useful though?>trailers>EVA further>carry oxygen for longer EVAs>carry bigger equipment
>>11999554I get 1000mbit for 35$/month
>>12000454Very nice, but Starlink is not for you. I get 350/35 for fuck all too and Starlink is not for me either.It was never meant to replace regular internet, it was meant to replace the people stuck on single pair of copper stretched beyond its limit in rural communities and shitty third world countries.
depots are inherently wastefuljust launch the fuel when you need it dumbfucks
>>12000190Such a shame he is a huge cuck
>>12000468I thougt it was meant for wall street, and them being able to buy and sell useless shit faster
>>12000516Why the fuck would they need that? They have the fattest fiber available on the planet. They don't need a piddling 20ms connection.
>>12000519Starlink would be faster overseas with sat links, than fiber
>>12000519fiber is pretty slow for things like that though, low orbit can get you much lower pings if processing delays are minimizedcurrently they are just building microwave links all over the place for HFT and shit like that, but that takes money and you only get a connection between those two points instead of wherever you want it with satellites
>>12000531>>12000540It's a very nice theory, but it's bullshit.
>>12000543you do know that speed of light in a fiber cable is not the same thing as speed of light in a vacuum right
>>12000548Think he is a brainlet
>>12000454Have 200/200 and I might still buy it for the cabin and camping trips. Fast internet will finally be literally everywhereFuture is bright
>>12000486Depots can reach near zero boil-off, so where is the waste?Last I checked starship would need 6 refuel launches to fill up, how are you gonna organize that when you have 100+ starships leaving for mars in a small window? Easier to do it between launch windows overtime to spread out the logistics of such an event.
>>12000704>Easier to do it between launch windows overtime to spread out the logistics of such an event.That's what they're going to do, using Starships alone. No secondary development projects to build permanent depots. Just fill up Tankers in orbit and bring them down afterward.
>>12000707Why bring them down at all? You're wasting resource that could be used to build other normal starships by leaving fuel starships in LEO for long periods.
>>12000691So would I. For me a connection the musknet is a must.
>>12000704I'd say because depots don't actually resolve that logistics problem, they just add yet another extra step to it. Now instead of launching one Starship and (I think it was 4, not 6) tankers to refuel it, you need to launch some kind of structure which can hold several Starships worth of propellants safely for prolonged periods of time, then you'll need to actually fill it which will require probably dozens of tanker flights, and then after all that you can finally use it to refuel a handfull of ships. Considering the desired turnaround of two flights a day, this doesn't seem particularly necessary. Assuming five superheavy boosters you'd only need to start about two months ahead of your desired launch date assuming 500 launches to prepare 100 ships. Depots make sense if you want quick turnaround for vehicles coming and going, it might make more sense for magnetoplasma rockets which use much smaller quantities of propellant and have the kind of delta-v to be performing multiple trips between planets. As is it seems like it would be easier for Starships to just perform orbital refueling without the intermediary of a depot, and once they're at Mars ISRU propellant manufacture will be much more efficient than spending yet more ships to establish a Martian depot as well.
Arecibo on the fritz
>ELON MUSK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A FIELD! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
>>12000772just realised should be bezos, my bad
>>12000762Hey I've played this map in bf4
>>12000743All of this relies on the thought that starship and superheavy will have a super quick turn around, which I highly doubt they will. Once you make the turn around more than a week, depots are pretty much the only way to go.
>>12000762Looks like the set of Jurassic Park.
>>12000790I haven't seen any reasoning from anyone so far that would indicate that fast turnaround for a reusable rocket isn't possible, except for the oft mocked "but space is haaard!" argument which has already failed multiple times to stand up to real world accomplishments.
>>12000519Because a half of the world population don't have Internet due to lack of ground infrastructure, with LEO internet, you only need a single terminal and power to connect everywhere.
>>12000843Yes, it's for middle of bumfuck nowhere where infrastructure consists of a single pair of copper installed prior to WW2 stretched beyond its limit. Not really for the NYSE.
>>12000804this goes back to >>11999660There will always be detractors and the more successful you become the more they have to double-down. SpaceX are the only ones publically trying to develop this technology so they're the easy target for all the armchair aerospace engineers to attack, along with oldspace too of course. It's not 2005 anymore, sensible people have learned to give SpaceX the benefit of the doubt at this point, and all the people nitpicking every specific goal Elon throws out there just look dumb.
>>11998908>so does China.They need to git gud first.
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