/sci/ - Science & Math

First for >boing

>>11989504
>NASA contracts edition
Wait, did Boing miss out on some NASA contracts too in the past few days, or are you talking about the DoD stuff?

>>11989513
Mostly referencing the HLS downselect and Big Jim's general tiredness of their shit.

Fuck boing and fuck urf

Single engine to orbit with front separating tanks when?

>>11989507
also holy shit, cleaning out my subassemblies and just realized how tiny the rockets I was building last time I played are
take the HANGAR EXTENDER pill bros

>>11989523
luv me northrop, simple as

>>11989528
It's just a bad idea

>>11989504
You may laugh now but just wait two years and cry as my stonks value has tripled...

>>11989557
I have tech stocks.

>>11989535
and just to round out the family, made a 10t payload version with the same upper stage but with booster shortened and narrowed to match the upper and only 3 engines
now I guess I have to actually play the game and launch things

>>11989523
>>11989504
Fuck Spaseks and fuck Murz
-This Meme Brought to You by the Boeing Corporation

>>11989574
Based, I love this meme!

How much better would the shuttle have been with methalox main engines?

SOLID
ROCKET
BOOSTER
FIRST
STAGES

>>11989594
BASED

>>11989523
'ate boing
'ate urf
'luv maz
simple as

>>11989594
get no military contracts and subsequently cancelled because they're garbage

>>11989612
ArianeSpace wanted to mass produce solid rocket first stage rockets. So they could make cheap disposable launch vehicles.

STOP TALKING ABOUT CHINA

chyna

>>11989653
Would you guys be interested in a channel like Curious Droid/Astrum where I mainly do spaceflight? I’ve also been learning photoshop and a few other things so I can make pretty neat renderings of spacecraft. Also I could dunk on Estronaut for being a POS

>>11989667
>Also I could dunk on Estronaut for being a POS
I’d probably watch your channel for the drama if nothing else. Plus, more spaceflight content is always a good thing.

Starship is a spaceplane

>>11989691
you again

>>11989695
I never left

Starliner is a spaceplane

>>11989704
no it's a capsule it doesn't have movable aerosurfaces

John Insprucker is a spaceplane

The shuttle is a capsule, not a spaceplane

>>11989722
spaceplanes are a subset of capsules

>>11989725
No way... i disagree

>>11989734
okay, cool

>>11989664
LONG DONG FENG IS READY FOR LAUNCH!

>>11989735
Space planes are a subset of reentry vehicles

>>11989742
yes, and all reentry vehicles are capsules

reentry vehicles are a subset of vehicles

Capsules are spaceplanes

>>11989746
Reentry vehicles is a superset containing capsules and spaceplanes

>>11989755
okay, that's also acceptable

I leave for 30 mins and late night /sfg/ has broken out into a Vatican II for vehicle semantics

>>11989759
I'm sorry but I did it on purpose

Spaceplanes are not capsules

>>11989759
this post is a capsule plane

Orion is a spaceplane

>>11989761
Dream Chaser?

>>11989765
Glider capsule, completely different

jeff bezos' shiny head is an ablative heatshield

>>11989767
>gliders aren't planes
your soul is weighed down by gravity

>coat outside of capsule in ablative coating
>Launch to 10-15kms in magnetic launch tub
>Coast through atmosphere until in space
>Use a secondary rocket to achieve stable orbit
Pay me

>>11989769
can it really be called a heatshield if it's never come back from space?

>>11989771
>magnetic launch tub
Explain pls

>>11989772
a prototype. the real BO capsule will use the bodies of deceased fulfilment centre citizens as a heat shield.

>>11989774
S P I N
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The recent Dragon flight got me thinking about inaugural (human) flights of classes of spacecraft, and pic related happened. Please let me know if I got anything wrong /sfg/. Not included in this pic: initial habitations of stations.

Starship is an ice cream sandwich

Grimes vagina is an rcs thruster

>>11989523
Simple as

Do you think billionaires will be able to buy their own personal spaceships in a few decades? A Starship has about the same internal volume as the ISS or a large airplane, so they could just make it homely. And if they have two, they can even spin them up for maximal comfy gravity.

Grimes is a spaceplane

>>11989810
Starship is freeze dried ice cream.

Starship is a capsule.

>>11989878
Can't argue with that.

>>11989594
>yo dawg

It's time to admit it, Starship is an absolute failure.

>>11990103
Kek get better bait

man these hypergolic atmospheric plumes look nice, too bad I only see them when I make a boeing oopsie woopsie

Why did russians get so assblasted by this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwwS4YOTbbw

>>11989528
Not necessary the boosters land now.

>>11990103
Yea, besides SLS will launch soon anyway, rendering it redundant.

friendly reminder to inhale MMH/MON3

>>11990258
Contemplate the smelle.

Imagine giving fucking >boing more money via contracts than any other aeospace company when they haven't had a fucking unmanned launch LMAOOOOOOOOO fucking oldspace niggers will be the end of us all

Since it's a tangible goal now, what's the best habitat for a scientific outpost on Mars?
>>11990297
You can thank the Congress Jews and Richard Shelby.

>>11990305
Unironically it’ll probably just be Starship left on the surface at first. Then they’ll likely use ISS-derived modules, followed by by inflatable BA330-like ones.

PROONTING and tunneling only appear once significant manufacturing is established. But please don’t use that stupid goddamn beehive bugman design.

>>11990305
Just send up automated printers on the first unmanned starships, living quarters will be ready by the time astronauts arrive on the next window

Superheavy launch 1 week later.

Reminder Elon and spacex have never even been to space

>just spent the last 5 hours troubleshooting my rockets and figuring out exactly which combination of attachment nodes between the interstage rings and fairings and thrust plate will let the rocket fly at 4x time accel without swinging around like a broken dick
aaaaaaaaaaaa

>>11990305
Dig a trench, put utilities and habs insider then re-roof with rubble/spoil with inflatable domes for entrances/garages.

>>11990398
Which engines are you using? Curious because I just realized the reason I had so much difficulty with RSS is that my SSTU engines are about a third as powerful as their real world counterparts would be, leading to extremely low TWR and thus loss of Delta-V.

New private Indian launch system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_IZNC3fJL4

>>11990313
I've hated that stupid "eeeeeh lets make a termite colony with AI robots" shtick as well. It's gay and impractical in real life, as robotic construction is currently more 'A' than 'I'.

>>11990424
I'm using ROEngines (https://github.com/KSP-RO/ROEngines)) with RO/RP1, it uses the SSTU engines + some from other sources and cleans everything up to play nice with the rest of RO
only downside with using it instead of SSTU is that you can't cluster the engines as a single part for better performance, but that's for compatibility with part failures since you can't have individual engines fail if they are all clustered into a single part
There's ROTanks and ROSolar and bunch of other stuff on the github that brings in the rest of SSTU parts too, the only thing I still use directly from SSTU is the petal adapter for fancy stages

I still can't believe Starship is gonna be real soon. It's like all the scifi dreams of the last 50 years are getting crammed into the next ten.

>>11990305
Piss airlocks

What if Elon Musk dies randomly like from a brain hemorrhage or something
idk I might be so depressed I'd kill myself

>>11990492
You just need to trust in the Hairless Man.

>>11990470
>Mfw we’ll be able to go to space within 20 years

>>11990494
he'll fuck it all up somehow

>>11990492
shotwell will keep spaceX going forward.
And the US military is invested in starlink now, they want spaceX to succeed in creating starlink.

>>11990494
he will lose interest when he realizes that he can’t build “fulfillment centers” on Mars

>>11990492
Imagine being this much of a fanboy. What has Elon ever accomplished again that makes him so special? Inb4 relanding aircraft. We've been re landing air craft since world war 1

>>11990327
>tfw no reinforced concrete hexagonal house

>>11989504
Hey /SFG/ I need some advice. I’m 18 years old and just graduated high school and my dream is to fly to space. However I suck at school and am poor and I can’t afford college. I also had a lot of problems with crime and gang activity when I was a teen so I have an honest to god criminal record.

My plan is to save up $250K for a Bezos-hop, but I’d love to fly on Starship much more.

What career should I take to save up that money? Never really met my dad but my mom is broke so asking her for money is out of the question. Any help is appreciated thanks guys.

>>11990548
Fuck starlink and spacex. A bunch of Jews

>>11990564
B A S E D starlink BTFOing "astronomer" LARPers.

>>11990563
If anybody on this board knew how to become millionaires then we wouldn't be here. The simple answer is go to school and study for a high paying job like a doctor or engineer

>>11990564
>Yessenia FUNES

>>11990564
>OH NO
>We can't take picture #1238945739485734985345345345245634985567349587634956345683596738459637459634875639485673495638458673498567834563456 of a fucking snowball hurtling through space!
>Fuck capitalism!

>>11990568
If jew nigger continues down that path eventually we won't be able to see stars at all

>>11990560
Smart, capable people don't naturally assemble themselves into industry-leading companies, anon. It takes a driven individual to organize them in a way that gets the best out of them. You can post-rationalize his repeated successes in dominating established industries with lean, innovative companies, but you're just lying to yourself if you refuse to recognize what they all have in common.

>>11990560
He's unironically the only hope we have for getting to Mars

>>11990588
You're delusional dude spacex isnt even capable of sending a rocket to non orbital space.


>laughs in NASA

>>11990580
So what?

>>11990560
Rockets are not aircraft.

>>11990564
people like this should be beaten to death with their DSLRs

>>11990594
>You're delusional dude spacex isnt even capable of sending a rocket to non orbital space.

Prove it

>>11990579
Yeah let's destroy the planet and our views of the universe just so some balding Jew can get rich

>>11990573
Higher education is the biggest waste of time and money in human history.

>>11990602
>views of the universe
How about you stick that fucking lens up your ass and go yell at NASA to launch that fucking JWST already. We've seen what there is to see with optics.
The age of sail is over too. Get with the times.

>>11990601
Don’t respond he’s just trolling.

I watched the first Starlink launch live a while back it was awesome

>>11990604
Why are you asking here of all places then? /sci/ is all about that

>>11990599
We've been able to re land rockets since the 1960's then. I'm not calling spacex rockets because they are only capable of reaching low altitude orbiting space, not real space

>>11990602
Option 1: See some lights in the sky at night
Option 2: Go to some of them

Yeah I’m picking 2 sorry

im gonna im gonna im gonna STAAGGEEE
AAAAAAAAAAAAA IM STAAAAAAAAAAAGIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNG

>>11990604
being a full-time learner is the only thing worth doing. It is a blessed existence.
being a wage slave is the biggest waste of time and money in human history and skipping out on a few good years of the pure pursuit of knowledge to go straight into the workforce is the most cucked thing I can imagine. Ideally you become a researcher and never become a wage slave.

>>11990601
Are you this ignorant? Just look up spacex launch history they have never sent a rocket into actually space. Only orbital space
>>11990611
Starlink is in low earth orbit not space you absolute brainlet

Where is James Webb telescope?

>>11990623
>Just sit around reading books all day Lol

No wonder this civilization is dying

>>11990616
>Option 2: Go to some of them
Reminder spacex doesmt have the technology to get to space yet and you have no idea what you're talking about. So yeah let's destroy the view of the universe instead! Kys

>>11990631
no, civilization dies when the books are put down

stop taking bait

>>11990625
thunderf00t when are you gonna make some more starship videos instead of hyperloop

>>11990633
>Reminder spacex doesmt have the technology to get to space yet
https://where-is-tesla-roadster.space/live

Elon's roadster says hi.

>>11990635
Reading books all day achieves nothing. Go outside.

>>11989863
I have doubts you'll ever be able to buy a spaceship in the foreseeable future. Lease one, sure, but outright purchase? no. The machine is simply too complex and requires too many people with the right knowledge for maintenance.

>>11990604
Ok dude go work at burger king instead and see how that goes

>>11990644
Works pretty well, but it’s boring so I’m going to join the military instead.

>>11990638
Thats a car not a rocket. Fucking pointless. Russians were sending shit into space in the fucking 60's with their garbage technology

>>11990654
And how do you think that car got there?

>>11990656
Stop replying to the troll.

>>11990644
>working at burgerking your entire life
>Works pretty well
Just leave this board zoomer and never come back. Adults are trying to talk here

>>11990654
You're right, it was launches there by a gigantic catapult
Starship is really just a trebutche

>>11990656
with a ramp duh

anyone who responds to bait needs to get banned

>>11990594
What is falcon heavy.

>>11990659
It makes enough money to pay for my desires and vices. Don’t see the issue.

does anyone know when the next hop is?

>>11990622
The only thing that could make it more aesthetic is if you have some separation retrorockets clipped into the sides of the first stage. I've found it really helps with a clean breakaway.

>>11990670
no

>>11990656
>>11990661
What is F=ma

You see a car doesnt weigh much so it's not hard to launch one into space. A rocketship is much heavier and harder to accomplish. Like I said the Russians were sending small objects into space in the 60's, he's not the first and there's nothing special about it.

Take elons dick out of your ass and go learn some shit

>>11990670
yes

F for trollposter's back carrying those goalposts around.

>>11990683
when

>>11990665
It's not powerful enough to escape earth orbit

>Laughs in Nasa

>>11990694
now

>>11989761
spaceplanes can also be capsules!

>>11990697
Then make it more powerful. This is a non-issue. 10 years ago they didn't have anything at all.

>>11990697
Reusable rockets are meant to land, not to leave earth orbit. Starship is also reusable, but can be refueled in orbit, and will be capable of traveling practically anywhere, and returning from some of those places. By the end of the decade your complaint will be that spacex doesn't have an interstellar spacecraft.

>>11990712
Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

What is the point of a “Spaceplanes”? I understand things like the Shuttle with it’s huge payload bay or an SSTO like Venturestar, but what about Dreamchaser? Why? I know it supposedly is easier to refurbish, but you still throw away the service module and rest of the rocket. Also it’s known that capsules can be reused too.

>>11990722
>but can be refueled in orbit
Speaking of that, is it possible to produce the fuel in orbit out of the methane and co2 emissions?

>>11990697
Elon's old jalopy would like to have a word with you

...except it has already escaped Earth's orbit!

If you respond to that autistic spacex seething troll and keep giving him (you)'s, you should seriously consider jumping off a bridge. Thank you.

>>11989667
yes
>>11989664
So this is the Long March 10 I heard rumors about

Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Starship may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Starship, except that he's going to build a stainless steel tube and put a Raptor on it. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11990724
> I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.
Famous last words, who was it that said it?

>>11990725
Spaceplanes look cool

>>11989667
Yes please. Unironically make it a /SFG/ channel and don’t be afraid to talk about the impending interplanetary Martian vs ZOG war

>>11990743
Charlie Bolden. NASA’s head under Obama.

His statement is super retarded though he admits that Falcon Heavy is three Falcon 9’s strapped together but still says that it doesn’t exist yet despite Falcon 9 already having flow...meaning that the hardware does indeed exist. Never got his logic.

Ok guys, if space can transmit "gravitational waves"... doesn't it mean it could be compressed with some sort of space-pump? Make space less dense at the front and more dense at the back of the ship so that it can be pushed. Or: why not use electrostatic propulsion in order to propel the ship with loose space ions?

how would someone jack off in space without getting cum evreywhere?

>>11990305
SpaceX has had secret meetings with construction companies, presumably to create Mars optimized construction vehicles. And SpaceX will definitely make at least part of the city underground, which is probably partially why Elon started the Boring Company.

>>11989594
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>>11990758
jack off in the suit, it's been done

>>11989667
>Would you guys be interested in a channel like Curious Droid/Astrum where I mainly do spaceflight?

Do it, I'd like some spaceflight channel with an sfg twist

>>11990757
that's the concept behind the Alcubierre drive, although there is no known form of matter with negative mass that can make it less dense at the front

Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available interplanetary vehicle. SLS may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Starship is real. You've seen it down at Boca Chica. We're building the second stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at McGregor... I don't see any hardware for a Space Launch System, except that they're going to take Shuttle components and attach a capsule on top. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11990625
are you gonna keep up this meme for the rest of /sfg/ now? i mean i understand if you do it every couple of threads but if you do it every thread it just gets boring and unfunny

>>11990595
>>11990568
It will be a shock to you people when you learn people largely do not share your attitude about this issue.

>>11990770
>although there is no known form of matter with negative mass that can make it less dense at the front
Negative what? Make a propeller out of solid tungsten and spin it really fast to generate a vortex

>>11990753
I think he was saying that FH isn't as easy as just strapping together 3 F9, which SpaceX later admitted was the case. For example the center core is different from the boosters.

Anything worthwhile happening or planned in the last 2 days? Can't be arsed to read through megabytes of politics talk. If I was interested in that I'd go to the dedicated board.

>>11990781
Prove it.

>>11990724
Let's be very honest again. We don't have a government super heavy lift vehicle. SLS may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen it down at Hawthorne. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be static fired at Kennedy... I don't see any hardware for a SLS, except that their going to take old shuttle hardware and put them together and that becomes the SLS. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11990781
People largely cannot locate the planets in the sky let alone any objects which would be impacted by this

>>11990468
>>11990258
>>11990216
it looks like a whole different game

crazy

>>11990801
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that anyone with an interest in space outside of this musk hugbox wants the night sky to be polluted by mega constellations.

>>11990804
>We don't have a government super heavy lift vehicle.

>>11990807
spacex is putting sun shades on them anyways so you wont be able to see them anymore

>>11990814
We haven't had the Saturn V for 50 years anon.

Do gridfins help control the first stage angle by creating drag on the sides that are supposed to be tilted back?

>>11990810
retard
>>11990813
Hey guys. This is the guy who's been baiting you about SpaceX not actually sending shit into space. I would of stopped last thread but you faggots actually keep falling for my bait.

>>11990758
Sock on cock.

>>11990828
>retard

I see you can provide no evidence, thank you for validating my claim that practically no one with an interest in space outside this circlejerk wants astronomy or the night sky to be ruined.

>>11990837
https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-sunshades.html

>>11990810
>The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that anyone with an interest in space outside of this musk hugbox wants the night sky to be polluted by mega constellations.

No it isn’t, because I didn’t claim that.
Try again fucktard

>>11990850
I think its the same guy, just he's moved onto a different bait now.

>>11990757
I think I'm onto something here

>A quantum vacuum thruster (QVT or Q-thruster) is a theoretical system hypothesized to use the same principles and equations of motion that a conventional plasma thruster would use, namely magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), to make predictions about the behavior of the propellant. However, rather than using a conventional plasma as a propellant, a QVT would interact with quantum vacuum fluctuations of the zero-point field.[2][3]

>The concept is controversial and generally not considered physically possible. However, if QVT systems were possible they could eliminate the need to carry propellant, being limited only by the availability of energy.[4]

>>11990854
>QVT would interact with quantum vacuum fluctuations of the zero-point field
What Half-Life bullshit is this?

>>11990844
Sorry anon, this doesn't support your argument, the original argument was that really no one with an interest in space wants ground based astronomy or the night sky to be ruined by mega constellations, and the sort of attitude being displayed in this thread about this issue is very out of touch.


>>11990853
Like I said anon, It will be a shock to you people when you realise not everyone shares your attitude about mega constellations, accusing people of samefagging kinda shows that.

>>11990862
>Like I said anon, It will be a shock to you people when you realise not everyone shares your attitude about mega constellations

Prove it

>>11990861
>What Half-Life bullshit is this?
You know how they say that vacuum isn't empty? Imagine an ionic thruster that instead of pushing a gas, pushes vacuum itself

>>11990863
>Prove it

You seem very upset at this prospect and are accusing random people of samefagging, has it occurred to you at some point that everyone may not share the same opinions and views as you?

>>11990873
>You seem very upset at this prospect and are accusing random people of samefagging

Ironic, because I’m not the anon who claimed you were the troll.

>>11990862
that wasn't MY argument though. i'm a different anon. my argument is that the original argument doesn't matter because the starlink satellites are going to be using sun shades anyways

>>11990870
>destabilizes the vacuum field
>creates vacuum bubble
>gg

>>11990889
>If jew nigger continues down that path eventually we won't be able to see stars at all
>So what?


Doesn't seem you guys care about finding a solution in the first place.

>>11990900
Ah, now you're accusing ME of samefagging. That is a different person. My first post was this >>11990828
Then I replied with this >>11990844.
My next post was this. >>11990889
I DO care about finding a solution, just because one person doesn't care doesn't mean everybody else doesn't.

>>11990900
Why desire a solution for problems that don’t exist?

>>11990781
Nah, I'm fully aware, I just don't care about the opinions of people who are fucking retards.

>>11990915
>>11990564

>>11990925
Those satellites will be replaced within a few years by sunshade satellites.

>>11990925
I don’t care if satellites obscure pictures of comets.

>>11990808
scatterer is a hell of a drug

fantastic thread

>>11990563
>join military for 4 years in a technical position (go for Air Force or Navy)
>use discipline of military environment to become better student
>get free college
>go to school for aero or something else related to space just in case you can’t actually fly
>save most of your annual income
Problem solved.

>>11989504
>sfg
What is it and how does sfg tag work? Is it just a title? (I'm pretty new here)

>>11990824
>it’s been 50 years already
I miss her so much bros.

>>11990965
Only quality threads are allowed to have a tag, /sfg/ earned one for delivering constant quality, on topic, shitstorm free threads for over a year and for being the best general on /sci/

Anyone got that image comparing the rough flight paths of New Shepard and Falcon 9?

>>11989504
https://spacenews.com/spacex-starship-prototype-finally-flies/
>SpaceX Starship prototype finally flies

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

ELON DOES IT AGAIN

>>11991033
>spicy grid fins
hnnnng

>>11991058
The communication delay all the way to Mars is a pain, isn't it?

>>11991063
>tfw stranded Martian desperately following SpaceX news as they develop a rocket to come and rescue me

>>11991058
based oort cloud poster

Why doesn't China build a spaceport in Tibet? Are the dV savings from launching at 5km not worth it?

>>11991083
>Are the dV savings from launching at 5km not worth it?
Correct. Velocity matters infinitely more than altitude for orbital launch.

>>11990781
Most people don't give a fuck about stars, and can't see them due to light pollution retard lmao
>but light pollution obfuscating the view of stars almost everywhere is suddenly a non issue even though it's more severe

>>11991083
They'd be negligible, rockets already barely spend any time in the lower atmosphere, I guess it could save you a tiny bit by slightly reducing underexpansion but assuming a 200km orbit that means you'll still have to expend the delta-V necessary to make the remaining 195 klick trip.
It would be less intensive to simply build a tiny bit more delta-V into the rocket then to establish a robust spaceport facility at an extremely high altitude in harsh living conditions greatly separated from normal logistical chains and population centers.

>>11991098
Light pollution already exists, starlink didn't at the time everyone was bitching, and it still doesn't really exist. Here in Miami I can still see up to magnitude 5. Only people living in the middle of downtown can't see shit.

Also that's a fallacy.

>>11991061

>>11991145

>>11989787
You forgot that Dragon is the first partly reusable orbital crew capsule.

>>11991139
I'd really rather be worrying about the bullet wound instead of the gravel I'm laying on
this metaphor is strained but the point is that both light pollution and starlink are real and impacting the same things, but the severity of the first problem (light pollution) makes the second (starlink) totally meaningless

>>11991186
wrong, that was Shuttle

>>11990551
Mars light delay is within the existing SLA for AWS Glacier cold storage so they'd be able to sell off world backups.

>>11989755
Dont forget warheads too.

>>11990725
>What is the point of a “Spaceplanes”? I understand things like the Shuttle with it’s huge payload bay or an SSTO like Venturestar
Those are the primary points of spaceplanes, along with future non chemical SSTO spaceplanes that take off and land horizontally. Dreamchaser is retarded since it doesn't even retain the service module.

>>11991199
I wasn't counting spaceplanes with sustainer engines attached laterally to their fuel tanks as capsules.

>>11990725
Basically just that they can reenter less violently so they don't need as much of their mass fraction dedicated to a thermal protection system, and the gentle reentry can help with transporting more sensitive payloads, and the biggest benefit is that it can land like a glider at a conventional runway, allowing for greater ease of recovery compared to say a capsule splashdown or lithobreak.

>>11991234
Those more sensitive payloads include civilian passengers. The lower your reentry acceleration, the more normies you can take.

>>11991257
They should artificially keep reentry at around 3G to prevent normies and boomies from getting to space. Their gravity bound souls will only weigh spacechads down.

>>11991230
it had people in it and survived thermal aeroentry, it's a crew capsule
>>11991225
>HTOL
completely fucking pointless and obsoleted by vertical takeoff
horizontal landing I can understand, but not rolling takeoff
>Dreamchaser doesn't even retain the service module
how fucking hard would it have been to incorporate the service module into the fuselage? like goddamn

Any anons have Starship interior concept art like pic related

>>11991293
I'm getting blueballs waiting for Musk to tweet out official concept art of the interior

>>11991270
>how fucking hard would it have been to incorporate the service module into the fuselage? like goddamn
My guess was that the configuration was easier to design and it allowed to SNC to justify hiring enough standing staff to manufacture new craft when needed instead of having to let go of unneeded but crucial staff.

>>11991225
>>11991234
plus lifting body designs just look cool and futuristic and cool

>>11991300
We’ll probably get info during the presentation next month

>>11991270
The DoD is looking into uses for the Service module. Also trash disposal for the ISS

>>11991304

>>11991306
no we won't, it's probably going to be very similar to the presentation last September but with higher quality models and more insight into their actual testing timeline going forwards

>>11989863
90 minute global flights.

>>11991304
Indeed.

>>11991317
For me, it's the X-24

>>11991320
The HL-10 looks cuter to me.

Is Starship too ambitious? The thought of propulsively landing on Earth sounds scary as fuck

>>11991304
>>11991312
I think the big lesson of Starship is that size matters more than Isp. The same materials and engines put in a W I D E rocket have a much better payload fraction and absolute payload capacity. Think about a methalox Venture Star 3x as wide and twice as high.

>>11991334
SpaceX has the 'propulsively landing on Earth' part worked out.

>>11991334
The high g maneuvers to make the starship vertical right before the hover slam. It is going to be intense.

>>11991320
sleek > cute

>>11991334
where've you been for the past 5 years

>>11991342
I mean I agree. Plus you pretty much HAVE to do propulsive landing if you want to go to the Moon or Mars. But Earth's gravity combined with a heavy ass Starship... I would shit my pants if I were in one and it was doing a suicide belly flop into the atmosphere

>>11991348
meant to quote >>11991330

>>11991304
This I'd grant, if you could fit one with an exotic mounting attachment to a normal cylindrical first stage rocket they'd probably make an excellent TSTO reusable vehicle. You could finally get acceptable payload fractions too, booster carries it up to final altitude, detaches and does a boostback burn to land at sea on a platform or large ship, the second stage uses a higher ISP engine (probably LOX/CH4) to circularize, deploys it's large payload and then uses it's limited remaining propellant to deorbit itself for a return glide where it lands at a normal airstrip.
Low thermal stress, low return propellant requirements, lower reentry hazard, soft landing, leads to lower refurb costs, longer lifespan and more reuse.

This thing looks like it could the USSF's first dedicated space fighter desu

>>11991348
Luckily for the X-24, it is both sleek and cute, CUTE!

Some of you guys are alright. Don't go to Boca Chica tomorrow.

>>11991317
EL GOBLINO DE LA AMERICAS

>>11990606
>We've seen what there is to see with optics.
Optical, not optics you retard. You don't even know the terms and you act like you know what you're talking about. There is a lot more to see in the optical from the ground, the 30+ telescopes will blow JWST's out of the water in angular resolution.

>>11991386
Not my first language, so sue me.

Some of you Chica's are Boca, don't go to alright tommrow

>>11991375
Dios mio...el avion extinguido, cincuenta y seis por ciento de cohete...

>>11991145
I wonder what are the effects of baking the first stage in the second stage exhaust

>>11991350
They will do hundreds upon hundreds of launches before they send humans in it anon.

>>11991405
Some cool scorch marks and not much else, apparently.

Can I wank the cock in space?

>>11991426
Yeah, obviously the effects are pretty minimal. I wonder if you could get in the interstage with a spacesuit and ride the first stage like that during a launch

>>11991449
Just plug the onahole into the urinal vacuum.

>>11989598
Not planetist just don't like em

>>11991472
Nah oi don't 'ate Earfers, there's nun 'ere.

>>11991361
The problem with that is you get gay aerodynamics putting the fins forward of the first stage. It's why the Shuttle and Buran were side hangers. Maybe use steel methalox tanks instead of fucking foam hydrolox.

>>11991461
In a world without microcomputers (say, the 1950s) that would be the only way to control retropropulsive landing. Imagine that being your job.

>>11990627
On the ground where it can generate money for the companies testing it.

>>11991518
better on the ground than being carried by ar**ne

>>11990796
Straight up. I wish pol would leave

fuck urf

>>11991514
Yeah, a steel or aluminum body craft with very stubby winglets instead of full wings, and a reduced lifting body shape. I've mentioned it before but more like a finned capsule than a rocket plane.

>>11991524
lel by the time it's finished it can be carried by Starship. Imagine being able to sell Shelby, Cruz, and Cornyn on PROHIBITING American space payloads on non-American rockets except for crew emergencies.

FUCK SPACE
FUCK SPACESX
FUCK STARLINK
FUCK M*SK

>>11991449
Yes but you won't need to in our glorious SpaceX-led future across the solar system. Everyone will get a corporate-mandated femboy to wank your cock with their butts.

>>11991549
This thread is a vast improvement over the previous, though. Maybe it's a start.

>>11991549
what the fuck is pol

>>11990796
SN6 (or was it SN8?) hop soon.

Newfags gtfo

>>11991569
>soon
Eagerly anticipating since SN5's one. Would be cool to see the new alloy in action if it's SN8.

>>11991557
>HOPE-X
I forgot that was a thing. Shame it had to go.

>>11990467
How many of you are cultured enough to fuck alien girls if they looked like this? You're not some vanilla normalfags that would turn anything that was more exotic than painted humans, right anons?

>>11990467
How many of you are cultured enough to fuck alien girls if they looked like this? You're not some vanilla normalfags that would turn down anything that was more exotic than painted humans, right anons?

If only every other company of relevance (not looking at you, Boing) pulled their heads out of their arses and started this rapid iteration with minimalistic prototypes thing. Imagine what this kind of aggressive competition would have done to the rate of advancement in the field.

I want an ethnostate space colony

>>11991293
Post a readable image retard

>>11991589
I want to fuck things that meet my subjective human definition of pretty. Space bugs that actually look like bugs aren't pretty.

>>11991592
it's not really an engineering thing, it has to come from the structure of the corporation itself

>>11991569
Probably SN7.1 pop before that

>just need to lift a basic sat into low orbit instead of chucking it to the moons
>try just taking off the upper stage and putting it directly on the booster before I go design a new small launcher
>YEEET it to a 780km orbit, hitting 40g before the booster burns out and just need about 100m/s from the sat to circularize
this is fucking stupid i love it

>>11991600
cringe and bluepilled
I feel bad for any cute bug ayys that will have the misfortune of meeting you.
Please stay in this solar system so your prudishness can die in it with you.

>>11991596
So does every white man in existence

Everyone from Boeing is going to be put to death. When I started saying it, someone was like, "Hey, now! Boeing is a big company!"

Yes. I know it is.

>>11991619
BASED

>>11991596
This but exclusively for femboys and femboy connoisseurs. Aryan femboys only.

>>11991610
>fucking xenos for no other reason than they exist
Filthy xenos are undeserving.

>>11991607
What a cute little satellite.

>>11991619
>When I started saying it, someone was like, "Hey, now! Boeing is a big company!"
Nah, I didn't like Boeing even before it became a meme here to hate them.

>>11991293
>>11991598
my bad

Degenerates who engage in relations with femboys or alien species get tossed out the airlock.

>>11991635
Seems like Starship will have more livable space than any apartment I had. Nice.

>>11991630
>Boing! inserted bone hurting implants into Anon but even those had badly coded software.

>>11991637
>implying they haven't seduced the airlock so it refuses to let you throw them out

>>11991557
>>11991514
lets not forget the reason why the Orbiters wings were so fuck huge large in the first place was because of the retarded design constraints placed on it by USAF/NRO/CIA, the wings should just be enough to glide on re-entry if necessary or something

>>11991635
Lmao Starship will most definitely NOT have hydroponics, let alone a whole deck dedicated to growing plants. That’s such a waste. No my friends, the journey to Mars will be months of nothing but freeze dried MRE’s in a galley. There might be a refrigerator though so at least there will be some fresh food (but it will be the first stuff to get hogged and eaten before the first month is even over)

>>11991664
>but freeze dried MRE’s
This should be the standard by now. Tomatoes are like 4g of fiber and 96g of pure water (dead weight).

>>11991642
When I drill their children's teeth, badly coded software will be ironically beneficial.

>>11991635
Too risky, let's just work on advancing propulsion tech (nuclear) so we can shorten the travel time to Mars, which reduces crew provisions, time spent exposed to cosmic rays, overall maintenance work on the craft and risk of failure from long duration operation, etc..

They think I'm being boastful when I say these things will come to pass but when they do come to pass, then they will know I was telling the truth all along.

>>11991664
>>11991672
I think that would be purely for morale, a steady supply of fresh fruits and veggies will keep spirits up on a 2.5 year mission rather than provide real calories

Let's just take the X-37B and upscale it a bit

>>11991640
And I'll bet it won't have a restaurant kitchen extractor fan outlet blowing into it, like one of my old places

LET'S JUST TAKE THE X-37B AND UPSCALE IT A BIT

>>11991684
Most of the people going to mars though aren't going on a 2.5 year mission, they're moving to Mars.

holy fuck i spend way too much fucking time just setting up fucking internal RCS thrusters

>>11991760
You've gone too far Anon.

Probe return mission from Mars when?

>>11991760
mind telling me your modlist?

>>11991797
If this reply is a dubs, a probe sample return mission will come back to earth before humans land on mars.

>>11991772
It's too late for me man, way too late. Save yourself, don't download Interal RCS. Think about your family.

>>11991802
https://pastebin.com/qAYXBZfh
there's a couple more that aren't installed through CKAN, but I forget what they are other than galileo planet pack and rescale

I just don't understand this reusable trolling meme.

RAT DONE BIT MY SISTER NELL

Why did this thread die

>>11991990
what do you mean?

HER FACE AND ARMS BEGAN TO SWELL

I just realized that the Space Shuttle was surfing to space. It stood landing side facing a long board (tank) and flew by expelling water.

>>11991990
The week was too hectic and now the steam has died down a bit.

Writing for The Atlantic after Scott-Heron's death in 2011, Alexis Madrigal stated that "Whitey on the Moon" had taken spaceflight out of the "abstract, universal realm in which we like to place our technical achievements". Madrigal added that the poem raised questions about "which America" got the "glory of the moon landing", and of what the costs of putting "whitey on the moon" were.[9] A 2014 biography of Scott-Heron described "Whitey on the Moon" as a "gem of a prose poem" that was well-received critically, and that it was a strong counterpoint to "reverent coverage" of the Moon landings.[1]

>>11992019
FUCK NIGGERS
GRIND THEM UP AND USE THEM TO BUILD ROCKETS

r8 my idea >>11992065

>>11992019
Disgusting

>>11992019
>"Whitey on the Moon" had taken spaceflight out of the "abstract, universal realm in which we like to place our technical achievements"
The poem itself is pretentious schlock meant to give less fortunate people a sense of hollow superiority, but that line does being up an interesting point. Space flight has been fairly abstract in it's achievements for years. Sure, actual physical things have been done and are still being done, but to the average person what space flight does might as well be science fiction. More work should be done to give people tangible stuff to care about space flight. Right now, the infrastructure is being set up just for that, but I feel that the industry as a whole should aim to be more transparent and less esoteric about what it does and how is it important.

>>11992066
Sounds like Battlebots with extra steps.

>>11992071
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2020/index.html

>>11992075
thats the idea

can have dust storms too so power is an issue and you have to get creative or it provides a time limit or something

>>11992066
>>11992075
Battlebots was fairly popular.
If we can monetize this we might be able put NASA in a better financial position.

I think the poem is pretty good, even if I disagree with the message. Spaceflight benefits every human on this world in the end, but still, have a bit of empathy. The 60s weren't exactly an easy time for black people in America.

>>11992071
oh boy I can't wait for Whitey on the Moon 2 : Electric Boogaloo with the Artemis return

I'd laugh if they choose a black male or woman though, because then these people won't be able to revive this racist shit for woke points

>>11991754
If you're moving full time then it would be even more important for something like regular fresh fruits and veggies to prevent you from going insane
Everyone will be pooping anyways why not use it

>>11992084
>Spaceflight benefits every human on this world in the end, but still, have a bit of empathy.
I will not empathize with shortsightedness

>>11992076
Don't get me wrong, but the average person isn't going to be aware of this, and not only that but the spin offs themselves aren't well advertised as such.

>>11992084
> but still, have a bit of empathy

No. Non-whites are parasites.

>>11992090
Even today 90% of people do t give a shit about space. Makes sense than during the times of Apollo black people would feel slighted by the space race when less than 5 years earlier segregation was a thing.

>>11992130
Who gives a fuck what they think? They should go live in Africa where they belong.

>>11992146
Damn anon does your mom let you be this edgy online?

>>11992084
>but still, have a bit of empathy
no empathy

>>11990564
>Uses image made up of multiple other images stitched together with photo editing software
>Refuses to use software to subtract starlink trails

This is why I don't give a shit about the cry babies. They do one thing the same way over and over again, but instead of using a different option in photoshop to fix the problem, they demand SpaceX stop launching starlink sats

How badly will the lack of an increased budget for 2021 hurt NASA? W-we're still going back to the Moon, right?

>>11992148
are you from reddit?

>>11991033
I got you senpai

>>11992154
>different option in photoshop to fix the problem
That's not how it works. The new starlinks have sunshades anyway

>>11992085
>oh boy I can't wait for Whitey on the Moon 2 : Electric Boogaloo with the Artemis return
After the nonsense of this past few months I think everyone will just tell them to fuck off.

>>11992130
Yes, it makes sense that ignorance afflicts those who don't bother to educate themselves or look beyond their own situation. Just because it "makes sense" doesn't mean it isn't disgraceful.

>>11992107
No, only jews are parasites. Blacks are just unfortunate enough to be the former group's main bioweapon. There's a reason why non Sub-saharan Africans actually do okay compared to other nations.

RAT DONE BIT

>>11992165
Only whites matter.

>>11992146
Make me faggot.

>>11992166
>*clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick*

>>11992165
Those who claim that they're educated are more often than not just mere sheep.
>“The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.”
~Thomas Jefferson

>>11992130
It's not that 90% of people don't give a shit about space. 90% of people don't give a shit about the maritime industry, but you don't hear about calls to defund government support of that industry to focus on "real" problems. The issue with space flight to the public is that what it does and it's benefits are fairly abstract to the average person.

>>11992162
Thanks, senpai.

>>11992085
>I'd laugh if they choose a black male or woman though
They will put a Hispanic women on the moon but that will still "not be good enough" for these people

>>11992187
He's trying to say media stunts intellectual growth. Not that reading does.
Ironic.

>>11992207
Oh shit you're right, I just assumed he was siding with the "MUH GIBS" agenda. Ironic indeed.

>>11992165
The majority of whites didn't give a fuck about space either, hence why it was canceled a few years later. Don't pretend Apollo was about science or even space. For all of it's amazing achievements it was about a dick waving contest with the Soviets. Those people protesting against the space race would have made a much more positive change protesting the Vietnam War which was costing much more than Apollo and killing more Americans.

>>11992212
>Those people protesting against the space race would have made a much more positive change protesting the Vietnam War which was costing much more than Apollo and killing more Americans.
The people opposing Apollo were Communists who wanted the Soviets to win. They did the same shit to the Vietnam War. See Jane Fonda and Walter Cronkite.

>>11992195
I hope they change that color scheme. Just leave it all white.

>>11992211
It happens.

>>11992219
Yeah it looks dopey as fuck. Like a moon base souvenir.

>>11992212
>The majority of whites didn't give a fuck about space either
Similarly disgusting and shortsighted

>>11992215
commie sympathizers are the worst, tankies and USSR fanboys, why don't they move to Soviet Russia if they worship it so much and consider it so much superior to the USA

Does anyone know the purpose of SN6?
The way things are going, it seems like they are going to use SN5 until it either explodes or all relevant flight data is recorded. SN7 is just tank prototypes. And currently SN8 is looking to be the first proper high altitude capable build.

>>11992234
It's something middle and upper-class people say because it gives you status in elite circles and makes it look like you're on the side of those below you socioeconomically. Like all the actors who threatened to move to Canada or some other country if Trump was elected, they'll never actually forego living in their gated communities or redistribute their wealth voluntarily because their activism is just performative.

>>11992249
ESR wrote a good piece on how modern marxism is actually about leftist elites trying to entrench themselves as a permanent aristocracy while virtue signaling about the proles.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8526

>>11992245
SN7 is kill, isn't it? I thought after the second bop it was done.

>>11992263
Yeah it's kill, but they are building another tank, designated SN7.1
And to answer the prior question, SN6 is being used as a backup to SN5 for faster turnaround time

>>11992245
>Does anyone know the purpose of SN6?
Decoy.

>>11992245
Aren't they supposed to take SN5 apart to see if there's anything wrong after the hop?

>>11992263
>SN7 is kill
Wait what? Why?

>>11992271
>Aren't they supposed to take SN5 apart to see if there's anything wrong after the hop?
Nope, Elon says it's going to hop again.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1292226279995879426

>>11992256
This is nothing new. Otto von Bismarck had recognized this, and western leftists have been doing it for ages.

Why do you think billionaires and other plutocrats support social welfare? They want to buy political capital and place their progeny into the political class.

>>11992277
Interesting. But why scrap SN7? If SN5 blows up or crashes into something at least they'll have a backup.

>>11992279
It's also why they hate organized religion so much. Every service provided voluntarily through religious organizations is one that the state doesn't have an excuse to do. Public school teachers molest kids at a higher rate than Catholic priests, but only one of them was made into a global scandal, because the existence of Catholic churches, schools, soup kitchens, and so on is a direct threat to the monopoly of the State on providing free shit to people.

>>11992282
SN7 was a meme tank for testing new alloys that already popped twice.

>>11992282
SN7 already went yoink, there’s nothing to scrap

>>11992285
>>11992289
Damn, I got confused by their naming scheme. For some reason I conflated the one that imploded (SN4, right?) with the latest one.

>>11992300
SN4 imploded due to propellant loading problems, SN7 was deliberately overpressured with nitrogen until it popped to test new alloys.

>>11992301
no, SN3 imploded due to prop load error
SN4 was blown up by a methane leak that ignited

>>11992301
Yeah, I remember now.

this will be assembled in the highbay, right?

>>11991033

>>11992349
that is half of the purpose of the high bay, yes
the other half is Super Heavy

>>11992349
bro thats just a fucking pile of sheet metal what the fuck
where's the CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES wtfffff

>>11992349
You're mistaken and making stuff up purely on conspiracy, that's obviously a water tower being assembled for more falcon 9 efficiency testing

>>11992378
>tfw Space/x/

>>11992375
>carbon fiber composites
>on a mass produced rocket
no.

>7 fucking years to get to mercury
BRUH
just fuckin YEEET it down there wtf the whole thing is only like 3 tons

>>11992385
rockets is hard

>>11992385
Getting to mercury takes more delta/v than it does to leave the solar system, so they cheat by using a lot of gravity assists. The gravity assists reduce delta/v costs but make the mission take way longer.

>>11992277
>many per day

>>11992404
>Space X or some company launch specially configured fuel tanks or booster stage
>payload launches elsewhere
>attaches to boosters/tanks
>provides all the necessary deltaV to reach their destination without gravity assist memes

Why haven't we done this yet?

>>11992407
And yes I'm talking about launching fully fueled stages into orbit as a payload, imagine the launch vehicle....

>>11992407
I mean this is essentially what Starship will do with orbital refueling

>>11992421
>orbital refueling

I wonder if the bloke who came up with the seadragon with some back of the envelope math knew that dumbasses would still be taking it seriously some 50 years later

>>11992405
quality shoop

>>11992430
I'm sure Truax would be proud, I have full confidence in his ability to construct such a rocket where he given the resources and money to do it.

Not building Sea Dragon or some smaller equivalent was a mistake. And even if it was never realized I'm sure he would be delighted to see its recreation in webm related

>>11992445
Sea Dragon’s main Engine was impossible to build back then, and still is today. Not saying that the vehicle is impossible, just the commonly seen design is. Also Sea Dragon is useless in a world with Starship

>>11992448
Yup, you might as well just try to build a reactionless drive or something if you wanted to pour money and R&D into an engine the size of seadragon’s. I’m pretty sure it would just explode even with today’s technology

>>11992445
imagine the smell!

>>11992448
Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available heavy lift sea vehicle. Starship may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Sea Dragon is real. You've seen the drawing board at Sacramento. We're designing the core stage. We have all the engine drafts done ready to be put to the test at our simulator.. I don't see any hardware for a Starship, except that he's going to take three tin cans and put them together and that becomes the Starship. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11992460
Lmao fresh pasta

>>11992445
I've said it before and I'll say it again, that exhaust plume is disgusting. It doesn't follow the nozzle at all.

>>11992468
Terrible CGI, they should have just built the real thing and filmed it if they wanted accuracy

what are these

>>11992448
I would build it for the cool factor desu. while having this song playing in all broadcast. https://youtu.be/uZRi_9HwMbE?t=65

>>11992482
Looks like temporary plumbing.

>>11992482
it's a water tower

>>11992482
inflatable dolphin toys

>>11992482
My guess is it’s attachment rods for the fins?

>>11992482
Speed pipes, they make the rocket go faster.

>>11992482
lube dispenser, dispenses lube when the rocket is in the air for a smoother ride, less air friction due to increased coefficient of friction

>>11992482
A series of tubes.

>>11992531
and helps with a penetration into Uranus.

>>11992541
At what point does something stop becoming a tube and becomes a cylinder

>>11992468
That sums up the entire show. It is “realistic” and has cool concepts but fucks them up. Look at the season 2 commercial it has a Space Shuttle flying at the moon.

If you have sea dragon why would you build the shuttle?

Also aside from the “real people” which was cool, the show was pretty Pozzed. Why couldn’t they just make the show about astronauts and shit like From the Earth to the Moon or Voyage?

my sons :)))

>>11992556
nice cylinders, or are they tubes?

>>11992561
obviously cylinders, it says right there on the popup menu

>>11992554
it tries so hard to be realistic but it fails at the simplest things

>>11992567
they look more like tubes to me

>>11992460
>Starship
Should've changed this too for something with a better ring, like Leviathan.

>>11992541
I thought it's a truck.