/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11987810
>anything happens
>no
There's always contrarians

they are anit-government

>>11987816
yeah it's just like that
evolution is true
>no
global warming is true
>no
>corona is true
no
and so on..

>>11987823
"guns are bad"
>imma get more gunz
"having sex with your sister is wrong
>fuck you i do what i want

>>11987810
It's because normal masks do not really provide proper protection. Also because mandatory masks in public is the first step towards multiple societal changes. The elites are testing what wiggle room they have for bigger rapid societal changes without inflicting too much fear. They want controlled chaos. End goal is peaceful submittion and unity in the hivemind AI ruled by the top psychopathic families of our species which have bred for this for centuries. It's a lot to take, but sadly what I am saying is true.

>>11987836
You have an elaborate, bullshit explanation for all your retarded non-opinions, don't you?

>>11987846
What did he say you that disagree with? Also what's a non-opinion? You sound pretty mind controlled desu

>>11987810
Because there is no persuasive evidence that masks have a significant effect on infection rates, they are physically uncomfortable, possibly bad for you, and I consider them bad for society and do not want to participate

>>11987810
Nobody likes the government or media telling them what to do. The covid is killing the sickest .4% of the population, for the rest its not much worse than any other sickness.

>>11987810
Don't tell me what to fucking do, asshole.

>>11987836
>>11987852
Literal room temp IQ tards like these. Some Americans love to bitch about pointless stuff and pretend it goes against their [buzzword of the decade].

If you are afraid to get sick, don't exit your house.
If you are not, don't tell others what to do.

>>11987895
I'm the second guy you quoted, what did I say that you disagree with?

>>11987827
"having sex with people of same sex is wrong"
>fuck you i do what i want

Becouse masks
1) are expensive, yet
2) doesn't really give any protection from small viruses, and
3) reduces oxygen intake and reduces carbon dioxide outflow in humans.

>>11987901
I generally don't like to use the "redditor" branding, but he clearly comes from a subreddit where opinions he does not like are banned or downvoted to hell. So is trying to recreate that vibe here.

Because every small part of the lockdown was a grotesque abuse of people rights. Masks are a part of that, so ignoring them too is the best.

>>11987901
>no persuasive evidence
So there is no evidence modern clothing helps you to stay warm in Siberia because there is no data available from there
>physically uncomfortabe
non-argument
>possibly bad for you
non-argument
>I consider
non-argument

>>11987915
Reddit is absolutely nuts with the mask shit, all of the mask skepticism subreddits were banned recently due to "being used for violence"

>>11987922
That's why Trump won.

>>11987922
>So there is no evidence modern clothing helps you to stay warm in Siberia because there is no data available from there
What?
>non-argument [x3]
no, those are three arguments. Can you think of any reasons why masks might be bad for society? I know you can do it!

/pol/ is literally the least intelligent demo on the planet, so much so that considering them human at all is a stretch. any question you have about their behavior can be compared to a dog’s reaction to a stimulus: totally unsophisticated and predictable.

>>11987936
idc I'm not an American
>>11987940
Nah you're obviously too dumb, I'm not gong to make this thread have 200 replies because you're unable to understand published research. See you never.

>>11987810
Americans are too narcissistic to give a fuck about killing some boomers

>>11987945
>I'm not going to make my case I'm just going to repeat that everyone else is wrong and dumb
literal non-argument. Party of science

>>11987926
>all of the mask skepticism subreddits were banned recently due to "being used for violence"
Just checked it, and it's right. Ok, I'm sorry for ever claiming that 4chan isn't the best internet place.

>>11987948
You have internet right?

>>11987827
>"having sex with your sister is wrong
It's not though.

>>11987954
No

>>11987810
face diapers are a joke, if you actually wanted to avoid coronachan strangling you then you'd get a full face respirator with p100 carts. even the face diapers with n95 material is shit because the virus is 70-90nm in diameter while the n95 material has 300nm sized "pores". also you have ace2 receptors in your eyeballs.

Debatable-tier:
>blocks droplets
>places with mask mandates do better

Retard-tier:
>experts say it's true
>you're killing people
>you already have to wear seatbelts and clothes
>better than nothing
>blocks facial recognition
>don't be a pussy

>>11987836
>refuse to wear masks voluntarily
>they get made mandatory
You had a way to fight the "elites" plan, and you helped them instead.

>>11987988
>if i will not fight against rape, it will become a non-rape
Perfect plan.

>>11987961
>n95 material is shit because the virus is 70-90nm in diameter while the n95 material has 300nm sized "pores"
Even if we're pretending droplets don't exist, n95 has an electrostatic layer, the holes can be bigger than what they block.

>>11987964
>blocks droplets
>debatable
This is easy to test.

>>11987993
Oh no it's defnitely true that it blocks droplets, the debatable part is whether this has a significant impact on infection rates especially in a community setting

>>11987993
don't use complicated words bro, they'll start to shit all over the place soon...

>>11987988
>it's not mandatory but if you don't do it I will make it mandatory

>>11987992
No, this is like if DUI laws didn't exist, you drive drunk and crash constantly, the government asks people to stop drinking and driving, you say "lol no you can't tell me what to do", and then act shocked when they make a law against it.

>>11987997
Go to Reddit then.

>>11987999
No, it's like if the government will say to everyone to wrap in a bag and bury themselves, and if people will disagree, they will force it.

>>11987993
droplets exist but the virus can be free floating and also is the electrostatic force stronger than the force of inhalation?

>>11987999
oh shit forgot to add drunk driving to the retard-tier >>11987964
Really why do maskfags have such a limited selection of analogies?

>>11987998
Yes? We wouldn't need mask mandates if people would be responsible. But fine, let's have another year of corona. This has been so fun.

>>11987997
Let me try again for them. Good mask have magic in it, make small thing no go in big hole.

>>11988006
>free floating
>is the electrostatic force stronger than the force of inhalation
American hands typed this post

>>11988012
not an argument

>>11988016
go read a fucking book you dumb nigger

>>11988011
>Yes?
Question mark indicates confusion so I will elaborate, the pretzel logic is in thinking "voluntary unless you don't do it then it will be mandatory" is in any way different from "mandatory"

>>11988019
>water can't evaporate
>i'm gonna assume one force is stronger than another
peak brainlet

>>11988011
Then wear a mask (and don't ever leave your home too).

>>11988019
I am reading a book

>>11988025
have you ever heard of distillation, cattle-man?

When you don't wear a mask, you are
a)Protesting against grave governmental abuse of power
b)Getting more comfy
So it's a double win.

>>11988035
yes i do that when i make my moonshine ;p

>>11988006
>is the electrostatic force stronger than the force of inhalation
Have you seen what these masks were used for before COVID?

>>11988044
dust particles during construction work but p100 are used for smaller particulates.

>>11988040
so you should be aware that evaporating water doesn't carry the thing that's dissolved inside, in this case, in colloid form even

>>11988056
that's my point. someone sneezes coronachan party droplets on your face diaper. water evaporates. coronachan is free on your mask and you inhale it. get strangled to death in 2 days - 2 weeks time. that's also assuming their sneeze didn't hit your eyeballs that are exposed with ace2 receptors. face it, face diapers are a joke. yes they do reduce some probability of infection does helping on the public health front but as for protecting you as individual (the only thing that really matters) it's shit.

>>11987961
>also you have ace2 receptors in your eyeballs
And if the infected person was wearing a mask, it would be much more difficult for the virus to reach your eyes.

>>11988006
>but the virus can be free floating
There's not enough virus out there for it to be as big a concern as droplets, and a mask would still help by diffusing your breath.

>people calling /pol/ retards when they are the ones freaking out over a pathetic meme tier virus with a 0.02% death rate which is almost exclusively people who are pretty much dead anyway

>>11988077
did you missed the part that says do not fucking touch your mask unless it's to put it in your face or remove it to discard it?

>>11988078
>And if the infected person was wearing a mask, it would be much more difficult for the virus to reach your eyes.
a bit. they can coof p hard. and they could be coofing repeatedly so their mask could be laced with coronchans.

>There's not enough virus out there for it to be as big a concern as droplets, and a mask would still help by diffusing your breath.
bs. you only need a single virion to cause infection. this isn't bacteria.

>>11988086
which post was that in?

>>11987810
Because we're not a bunch of cucks like you.

>>11988086
did you miss the part about the virus being smaller than the "pores" of your face diaper and that inhalation has a force?

>>11988077
>yes they do reduce some probability of infection
Then you agree they're helpful and everyone should wear them.

>but as for protecting you as individual (the only thing that really matters)
>i care about myself as an individual so i want a pandemic to go on for as long as possible and eventually be a thing everyone is expected to get a shot for once a year
You should want everyone else at least to wear them. Or do you enjoy this?

>>11988087
>bs. you only need a single virion to cause infection
This is why I would argue blocking droplets does not actually decrease infection rates. If you flip 100 coins it doesn't mean you're 5x as likely to get heads as if you flip 20 coins

>>11988095
>if everybody wears a mask the virus will go away
citation needed

>>11988095
>Then you agree they're helpful
No.
>and everyone should wear them.
No.
>You should want everyone else at least to wear them.
No.
>Or do you enjoy this?
Enjoy what?

No is a brief answer, but since you just threw in some ridiculous claims, they do no deserve more.

>>11988094
learn to read niggerman >>11987993 and go read a fucking book
>>11988089
literally everywhere
https://www.businessinsider.com/mistakes-to-avoid-wearing-a-face-mask-coronavirus-2020-4
https://sea.mashable.com/culture/9925/dont-touch-the-outside-of-your-mask-heres-why
https://moffitt.org/endeavor/archive/5-mistakes-you-may-be-making-when-wearing-face-masks/
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/what-to-know/prevention-safety/protect/not-touch-face
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

>>11988087
>you only need a single virion to cause infection
That's like saying "you only need a single sperm to cause pregnancy". You can have unprotected anal sex with an AIDS patient and the odds of getting HIV are closer to 0% than 100%. You'd still want a condom though.

>>11988105
I constantly see people touching their masks, granted they are not as smart as you but it goes to show that universal masking is having negative consequences

I wonder if pro-maskers actually wear the masks themselves, or just troll about them on 4chan. If the latter, then have a nice shit-flinging. But if the former, then it's amusing how the maskers immediately punish themselves.

>>11988110
>unironically to retarded too understand
no wonder why your country is in such state

Nazi here, If this virus was actually even any remote kind of danger to myself or other I would wear the mask. Can someone remind me why inalienable rights are being stomped on and the economy turned into a paste for a disease which ~99.8% survive?

>>11988101
>they reduce infection
>so this is helpful, right?
>lol no
>but you'd want everyone else to be less likely to infect you, the only person you think matters
>lol no
Are you just a contrarian?

>>11988095
>Then you agree they're helpful and everyone should wear them.
helpful yes. but my point is if you care about yourself then you would get real protection.

>You should want everyone else at least to wear them. Or do you enjoy this?
some men just wanna watch the world burn.

>>11988105
>brainlet sources

>>11988106
>That's like saying "you only need a single sperm to cause pregnancy"
literally true. why play dice when you don't need to?
> You can have unprotected anal sex with an AIDS patient and the odds of getting HIV are closer to 0% than 100%. You'd still want a condom though.
condoms rip. better to avoid having sex.

>>11988112
Where are you that people aren't constantly touching their masks?

>>11988114
>reduce infection by 1%
>infection with a .2% death rate
>reduce deaths by .002%
yeah naw I'm not interested in massive social changes to reduce a death rate by .002%

>>11988110
>but it goes to show that universal masking is having negative consequences
That's some impressive mental gymnastics.

>>11988119
nah it's just trolling, see >>11988115

>>11988114
Let's see. Decapitating yourself clearly reduces the chances to get covid.
>Then you agree that decapitation is helpful
No.
>and everyone should decapitate themselves
No.
>you should want everyone else at least to cut their heads off
No.

Is your mistake clear to you now?

>>11988121
>hurr durr everything i can't argue against is a troll

>>11988115
>why play dice when you don't need to?
Wait, I thought you were anti-mask.

>>11988118
Wow, I can make up numbers too:
>reduce infection by 150%
>infection with a 200% death rate
>reduce deaths by 900%
We need to avoid masks because they'll cause overpopulation!

>>11988115
>why play dice when you don't need to?
If you don't want to play the dice, stay home all the time. If you were sarcastic, then sorry.

>>11988125
>Wait, I thought you were anti-mask.
no my point is that face diapers are a joke. i'm pro real masks, not this onions bs.

>>11988125
Well between our two estimates I'd say mine are more realistic. Honestly, how much would you estimate mask-wearing cuts down on risk of infection?

>>11988122
No. Maybe if you could explain how a removable piece of fabric, demonstrated to be harmless by millions of Asians, is the same as cutting your head off?

>when /sci/dditors can't refute how pathetic of a joke this flu is so they just try to appeal to emotion and shame you for not liking the boot on your throat.

Wew

>>11988125
>Wow, I can make up numbers too:
That's exactly why we will not wear masks.

>>11988130
or get a real mask. sure there are some dice rolls but they are much fewer and further in between.

>>11988119
>get everyone to wear a mask
>large number of people wear it unhygeincally
>results in more infection instead of less
Are you still confused?

>>11988140
>or get a real mask.
Thanks, but I will not. (per >>11988037)

>>11988147
the govt is forcing face diapers upon everyone. not the masks i recommend.

>>11988136
It shouldn't be the same. You claimed that "something has a certain positive trait" directly leads to "you agree it's helpful", "everyone should do it" and "you should want everyone to do it". I showed you that your logic is clearly faulty by providing a counterexample (no matter if it has that trait or not).

>>11988085
I looked at /pol/ a few times when the situation in Hubei started to escalate, and at that point the narrative there was that the Chinese were hiding mass graves and shooting infected on sight.

>>11988113
>Nazi here
>inalienable rights
LMAO

>>11988136
How do you feel about the lockdown solutions they're doing in Victoria Australia? No going more than 5km from your house, only can go out for an hour a day, can't go to anyone's house. Definitely cuts down on disease transmission. So you're all for it right?

>>11988164
>Nazis don't believe in rights
I too learn history from works of fiction

>>11987810
i labelled a gaussian dist plot to explain masking.

>>11988164
>I looked at /pol/ a few times when the situation in Hubei started to escalate, and at that point the narrative there was that the Chinese were hiding mass graves and shooting infected on sight.

The early stuff coming out of China, given the limited availability of information was extremely compelling to make it seem to be a massive tier event, as the virus started to hit other places it became obvious it was a nothingburger and merely used as an excuse to push through more legislation and fuck over freedom.

Believing a strong government that exists solely for the sake of its people as well as a set of fundamental rights are not incompatible concepts, yes.

>>11988133
It reduces the risk of infection by >70%. N95 does even better.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

>>11988170
>the Reichstag Fire Decree was fictional
Which rights are inalienable, exactly? Because civil liberties definitely aren't among them.

I wear a mask for the same reason I pay for stuff in stores sometimes. It's just more convenient for me like that.

>>11988159
Fine, we'll add a "you agree it's helpful and not obviously harmful" clause to it.

>>11988166
And we're back to if people could just be responsible during a pandemic, there'd be no cause to do things like that.

>>11988182
No. Decapitation guarantees that the decapitated will no longer spread the corona (or other diseases), so it's helpful in some ways. Yet it is very obviously harmful.

>>11988176
>172 studies looked at
>3 of them are about masks preventing community-based transmission (instead of healthcare setting)
>1 of those is actually about healthcare
>1 shows that masks caused more transmission
>1 is actually about community transmission and shows 43% reduction
Why don't you read studies before linking them?

>>11988184
There is no cause to do things like that because the disease is a joke

>>11988184
I don't see a yes or no in that answer. Do you support the measures or not?

>>11988176
>It reduces the risk of infection by >70%.
>RD −14·3%

>>11988184
If a government can suddenly put you under a house arrest, then it's a great reason to stop voluntarily following everything that such a government says. This way you will protest against it, and will improve your life quality.

>ITS HECKIN AIRBORNE AIDS
>WEAR THE MASK
>STAY THE FUCK HOME

Meanwhile in reality this virus, over the course of 8 months has killed a grand total of 700k people, 300k people die every day, that's two and a bit days worth of regular deaths. Over EIGHT FUCKING MONTHS.

>>11988189
>172 studies looked at
>1 shows that masks may have caused more transmission
>therefore i cherrypick it and ignore the rest
>and also ignore the range on it
>and pretend masks only work inside a hospital and there can't be any reason why healthcare settings would have good data
Did you read it?

>>11988206
>what are excess deaths

>>11988212
Yes I've read that study before because it's one of the only ones maskfags link to, probably because it's one of the first results on Google. The data in the paper shows that masks work better in a hospital than in community, as evidenced by the figure in the post you're quoting. The question is whether universal masking reduces infection rates, and in that regard the Lancet study is essentially just "here's three papers, they say different things". And, again, one of those three papers, if you actually go and read it, is about hospitals and not about community. What does that tell you about how careful the Lancet authors are being in their meta-analysis?

>>11988182
It is helpful for convenience. I concede that. Before I could concede that it's helpful for health, I would have to concede that COVID is biological respiratory virus which is not a fake virus in the way that computer viruses are fake viruses. I don't concede that.

That shit is fake in the same way that a computer virus is a fake virus. My "Constant anal rape thread" threads grew and grew until it seemed like a good idea to try to run away, and then COVID happened at the exact same moment. Seems fishy.

>>11988217
nationwide ban on soda would save a lot more americans than masks, you support banning soda?

>>11987810
It's all part of the Republican plan, my friend.

>>11988186
I feel like I suffer more harm when I go into a store and pay for the stuff I leave with than I do when I go into a store and have a mask on my face. The mask isn't a huge pain in the ass but it is a little bit of a pain in the ass.

>>11988232
Are people serious when they make these kinds of claims? I've been seeing a lot of "So do we ban cars next?" when, by all metrics, COVID is killing many times more people than the most common causes of death in the US.

I have a solution to please both sides:
-Population is voluntarily divided in corona truthers and deniers.
-Deniers are now free to do whatever they want - go out, wear no mask, use transport and so on. Of course they are also free to stay inside with a mask on if they wish to. If they get corona, they don't get any priority in hospitals, and that can also affect their insurance rates.
-Meanwhile truthers go under the full lockdown. They now have no right to go out. If they lose their job, they should get a certain benefit to live on. If they absolutely must go out some day, they ask for a written permission and government gives them a hazmat suit (or at least an expensive respirator). If they get corona by some improbable freak accident, they get absolute priority in hospitals and all the equipment necessary.
This way deniers will be able to live their lives as they want and have all the freedom and all the risks. Meanwhile truthers will lose some rights, but will never catch the corona, and that's what matter the most! Since things like flu and traffic deaths also happen, there is no reason not to extend this solution indefinitely. Everyone wins!

>>11988231
>That shit is fake
Or is it? I have no idea and don't mean to imply anything other than that I have an opinion based on literally nothing other than a lack of rotting corpses in the streets.

>>11987810
because you all look like a bunch of idiots and diaper faces, I will never respect the public ever again after this event

>>11988247
Happily where I live most shops ignore the mask demand today.

>>11988248
>"So do we ban cars next?"
Pretty based, Anon. This accidentally based, I wonder, or did I see what you did there?

On Certain Aspects of American Economics Relevant to 2016
https://vixra.org/abs/1605.0166

>>11988248
If we can do something to save lives, shouldn't we?

OP here

got it /sci/ is just as, if not, more retarded than /pol/

>>11988265
I dearly hope that you wear the mask everywhere. This way you self-punish yourself and we are avenged.

>>11988265
This is 4chan nigga, we all post on /pol/

>>11988232
Sort of. If there was an easy way to make it healthier I'd be for it, implementation is the difficult part. The sugar industry bribed their way into making a nation of type-2 diabetics, "muh freedom to drink a 72 oz tooth rotting sugar water" is kind of a silly hill to die on.

>>11988257
I'd recommend staying far away from the public.

>>11988281
We should also make it mandatory to eat a nutritious diet. Bloodwork twice a year, on the government's dime. Big fines if you don't have levels that experts consider healthy. Think of all the lives we would save!

>>11988289
Soda has LITERALLY zero benefits whatsoever.

>>11988292
Not having correct levels of micronutrients has literally zero benefits

>>11988260
We need to balance saving lives with economic productivity. The two are connected, and generally saving lives should be prioritized if the solution isn’t too costly. Masks and Clorox wipes aren’t costly. Actually, maybe they are for some Americans.... I guess the solution here is UBI, plus a box of government-issued masks with each check.

>>11987810
Virus truthers have their own elaborate confirmation-bias universe.
https://theprepared.com/blog/logic-behind-slow-the-testing-down/

>>11988289
This is on the same tier as "wearing a mask and cutting your head off are exactly the same". Restricting ingredients/sizes would not be equivalent to oppressive fines for being unhealthy.

I like soda, but I consume it responsibly and rarely. It's really been bad for the public in general and that's a pretty big open debate about how much the state should step in for people's lack of responsibility.

>>11988281
If you don't choose the hill to die on, you will quickly run out of hills.

By the way, before that corona affair I was against smokers and even was somewhat pleased by further restriction of their rights. Now I feel a lot of shame about that and will now support smokers rights whenever I can.

>>11988310
Bernie has been calling for free govt masks for a while now.
Here in Milk-in-bags land, we distribute them free at McDonalds & Tim Hortons drivethroughs. (Honor system, thus frequently run out, but still)

>>11988289
Japan has something similar to this and it works spectacularly well. You have to pay a fine if you get too fat. The social pressure is the biggest motivator there, not the legal consequence.

>>11988316
Just because you may have to eventually choose a hill to die on doesn't mean you must choose a pile of garbage to die on.

>>11988317
aka land where you were called a racist for being concerned about the virus back in jan and feb. and the health minister retard didn't do squat till april.

>>11988317
And Canadians describe Trudeau as a centrist. Makes you think.

>>11988331
also it's ok he wore black face for the express purpose of mockery.

>>11988338
I mean, it is. Apologizing immediately was also prudent, even if the people who call him a cuck now do it even louder as a result.

>>11987810
>has such a narrow view of the world only /pol/ can be against the government mandating you to cover your face
people can wear a mask and stay indoors if they don't want to get infected. I personally do not want to have to alter my life so that some people with pre existing conditions die 4 months earlier than expected. Also don't want to have to kill the western economy for that either.

>>11988360
>even if the people who call him a cuck now do it even louder as a result.
They'd do it either way, I doubt he cares.

>>11988363
>do not want to have to alter my life
Do you also refuse to wear a winter coat? That seems a lot more inconvenient to me.

>don't want to have to kill the western economy
Not wearing masks is killing the economy more than anything else. Making this last longer than it has to means restrictions go on forever.

>>11988360
kill all niggers. oh sorry i was just joking.

>>11988381
>Do you also refuse to wear a winter coat?
If government will start forcing you to wear winter coats, then the government will be malignant no matter if coats are useful or not. And that's not just a nitpick, that's the real answer to all the masker demands.

>>11988363
So much of America is old and overweight that the majority of citizens have at least one pre-existing condition. Wearing a mask is altering your life? Does wearing a new shirt do that too? Ever worn a helmet? Was that a life-changing experience?

Also, staying indoors can get you infected if you send your kids to school. Your solutions are simplistic to the point that I find it hard to believe you took the economy into account at all.

>>11988329
Not true, my kids' school got cancelled in march (out west)
And dumb woke people claimed anti-asian racism in EU and US too, if anything it was better here because we have so many asians, you can just ask one and hear 'idgaf but wear a mask for fuckssake'

>>11988381
>winter coat
fucks sake. i wear a coat to stay warm. Don't give a damn about this virus. If it was so dangerous they should have closed the borders on day 1- that would have had a much less disastrous effect on the economy.

>not wearing the mask is killing the economy
no governments who made shitty decisions in the outset are killing the economy. You can wear a mask if you do not want to catch it. People can stay indoors if they are scared.

>>11988381
>Not wearing masks is killing the economy more than anything else.
Caving to the blackmailer does not prevent new blackmail (and even if you believe all the covid stuff, then getting collective immunity sooner is great too).

>>11988398
Seatbelts? Uniforms? “You Must Be This Tall to Ride”? Are those malignant?

>>11988400
Here is a solution for you: >>11988250

>>11988400
No i just think the virus is overhyped. less people have died than the '67 outbreak of flu. and far fewer young people.

>>11988415
Either they are different (and then don't provide any counterargument), or they are malignant (and one abuse does not justify another).

>>11988424
False dichotomy. They could also be the same.

>>11988412
>Collective immunity
Not everyone keeps their antibodies. Unless we force all Americans to get a vaccine, we will never see herd immunity.

>Ameriniggers behaving like niggers
There you go.

>>11988420
Lmao what? So we’re ignoring official counts now? What numbers are you seeing?

>>11988411
>no governments who made shitty decisions in the outset are killing the economy
People who saw "oh wow, virus in Italy? I better take a vacation before it gets too bad there!" are also to blame.

You can't have it both ways. Do you think the government needs to be super proactive and step in for every potential issue, or do you think they need to be super hands off and can't be allowed to mandate anything?

And don't act like closing the borders wouldn't also be forcing you to "alter your life".

>>11988409
ok march. that's still late af. what saved murrica's hat is the population density. and it wasn't just regular woketards on twatter saying that nonsense, it was health canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726

>>11988400
You're talking as if getting this virus is a serious condition. for most people it is not. and by most i mean 90%+. 95% of cases are one or more pre existing condition 87% of those are two or more. Majority of deaths are over 65+ (weighted towards the 75+ which is around 48% of cases).
0.7% of the death toll is people with no underlying conditions, and again biased towards the old.
You have hurt more old people than helped bc at that age the only thing that makes life worth living is company - which was promptly banned.

>>11988429
If you will show that they are the same, then you will prove that they are malignant.

>>11988451
South Korea and Japan did what you’re suggesting and they’re higher on the Freedom Index than the US.

>>11988428
Great, then it will never end, so even more reasons to stop following the demands now.

>>11988442
world death toll
> 1968 flu = 1 million
>coronavius = 724k
Ok its worse in the states, but how much of the toll is due to inflated death statistics (citing all respiratory related deaths as covid or potential covid)

>If I pretend the numbers are botched then my argument is still rock """""""""""""""""""""solid"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>11988464
Was that your reasoning when all that gay sex gave you AIDS?

>>11988451
During the current rumble the government overstepped the boundaries so much that pushing it down or at least non-complying is a primary goal.

>>11988461
>South Korea
South Korea did massive contact tracing, I really doubt a guy who hates being told to wear a mask is okay with even totally voluntary, anonymous contact tracing.

>>11988451
Closing the borders to human migration would not have impacted my life significantly

>>11988474
Are you pro-LGBT, or are you an evil homophobe from /pol/?

>>11988478
>to human migration
Travel.

And it's still "forcing" you to do something. And it still would have hurt the economy a ton. You would be complaining either way.

>>11988477
I suppose. But the fact is people in SK experience freedoms Americans do not, partly because the citizens look out for each other. They recognized the privacy invasion, but also saw it as a chance to participate. They were free.

>>11988477
>>11988489
>you should be OK with current abuse if we will abuse you in some other way otherwise

>>11988489
It's not forcing me to do anything. Yes there would have been economic problems yada yada, but less than shutting down the retail and hospitaltiy industry in the uk for 3 months?

>>11988481
I’m what /pol/ would call a Marxist, but gay jokes and the word “retard” will never not be funny.

>>11987810
Because the facts don't support the need to wear masks.

>>11988492
>people in SK experience freedoms Americans do not
Like universal healthcare.

SK citizens are also used to wearing masks.

>>11988499
>It's not forcing me to do anything.
It's forcing you to not travel outside the country.

>>11987852
>Because there is no persuasive evidence that masks have a significant effect on infection rates
There's quite a lot of evidence, from studies directly showing they can block the majority of large droplets, to studies showing a high rate of viral filtration, to studies showing reduced UTI's.

>they are physically uncomfortable
This is possible, especially for long periods of time in the heat.

>possibly bad for you
Far less risk than COVID-19, but the majority of people arguing that COVID-19 is nothing won't wear masks, so I can't really buy the argument that people won't wear masks due to health risks when COVID-19 (whether exaggerated or not) is much likelier to be detrimental to health.

>>11988452
March wasn't too bad, we had single digit cases in my province & Dr Henshaw closed the schools the same week I'd decuded I was going to pull my kids out, & I feel like I managed to be way out in front of this one.
>not gonna defend health canada, woke retards gonna woke retard, but out west it just wasnt shilled that hard & caught on even less. Sometimes a narriative just falls flat.

>>11988502
THE FACTS
>no one has seen a covidvirus with their own human eyes
>no one knows what's inside a mask
>reptilians wear face masks to hide their true nature

>>11988517
I do not travel outside the country. Ok its government force against an action, and i only said they should have taken it if an unknown foreign virus was a threat. That was the original case (strange virus in wuhan in november), no action was taken, its in the population, that boat has sailed. So they shut down the whole country months later? simply illogical, considering whos actually affected (75+, pre existing condition...). People could have left the country, they just cannot return.

>>11988540
>if an unknown foreign virus was a threat. That was the original case (strange virus in wuhan in november
You expect them to shut down all international travel if a few people cough in China? We'd be shut down all the time, China would just stop referring to any diseases by name and the US would have to encase itself in a cocoon. We did have plenty of time to act, but November was too early.

>>11988539
Stay home then.

>>11988535
>out west
yeah you guys did alright. can't say the same for ontario and quebec. that was very late to act. the problem is canada's federalism. everything depended on health canada which was asleep at the wheel.

>>11988556
>You expect them to shut down all international travel if a few people cough in China?
After they did something vastly more retarded that sounds like an evil way more minor.

>>11988556
Look you're trying to be retarded on purpose. I didn't say lockdown in november. But we saw wuhan go through lockdown- thats a fair wakeup that it might not have been a sneeze. It doesn't have to be indefinite - just until we know what the virus does/ how it behaves. On another point- yes the usa should be as independent as possible (no reason it shouldn't be, better for jobs, tech and stability), as should every country, so that random crises like the virus don't fuck up whole economies.

>>11988533
I won't wear masks first and foremost because lockdown was/is purely dystopic and second because masks are being forced. The harm from masks (and their lack of comfort) is just a bonus. But not wearing them is indeed cozy.

>>11988573
here here

>>11988501
If you support gay rights, then your corona fighting arguments are immediately destroyed.

>>11988573
>The harm from masks
>not realizing that if asians didn't nerf themselves by all wearing masks, they'd have an average iq of 130 and have taken over the galaxy

>>11988560
>Stay home then.
The facts don't support the need for me to stay home.

where did the concept of lockdown even come from? Quarantining the young and healthy for a virus that effects the sick and old?
China
Its all a trick to weaken western economies. China sacrifices a few cities but the west locks down itself- copying china. As china doesn't give a shit, doesn't matter how many of her people die, they get a significant economic and political advantage. We've been played. Lockdown was unnecessary and the virus isn't that bad.

>>11988589
Great, no trouble then.

>being against masks is now common in /sci/
So this is the level that /sci/ has fallen to...

>>11988600
Masks are for cute anime girls, not for me.

>>11987895
Keep drinking the Kool aid dumb mutt. I'm from Europe.

>>11988619
Not an fagmerican, fellow EU slave.

>>11987914
>are expensive
You can get them for free in a lot of places. Even cloth ones are better than nothing, it's about reducing the risk of infection so the reproduction rate of the virus goes down.

>reduces oxygen intake
If workers can wear N95 masks all day, you can wear a surgical mask.

>>11988315
I'm not saying"these two things are equivalent" (analogies in general do not say this), the point is to demonstrate how
>if it would save lives and wouldn't inconvenience you too much we should all do it
is not a universal principle. Of course it relies on the assumption that you don't actually think the government should ban soda

>>11988381
>Do you also refuse to wear a winter coat? That seems a lot more inconvenient to me.
One problem with this analogy is that wearing a winter coat when it is cold is a pleasurable experience and mask-wearing is an unpleasurable one

>>11988650
Well, you failed at that point because banning soda is really a problem with implementation, not ethics.

>>11988657
Its not just that its a dumb example.
>Wearing a coat in a seasonal, predictable, recurrent event is the same as being mandated to wear a mask in a dubiously sold 'pandemic'. More like being told to wear a coat in early-mid autumn. Some do, some don't care about the cold, it definitely would not be world ending if no one wore a coat in early autumn. But because some old people get the sniffles and die the government imposes the law coats must be worn in early autumn?

>>11988657
>and mask-wearing is an unpleasurable one
You've never lived anywhere with poor air quality.

>>11988533
>There's quite a lot of evidence, from studies directly showing they can block the majority of large droplets, to studies showing a high rate of viral filtration, to studies showing reduced UTI's.
That is not persuasive evidence that universal masking policy has a significant effect on infection rates. I know this sounds like I'm baiting you, but I'm no, it all depends on the relationships between virus-count and likelihood of being infected and getting sick, which I don't know. On the other hand there are studies from the past which *directly* measure the effectivity of face mask wearing against influenza and show there's not a significant effect.
>This is possible, especially for long periods of time in the heat.
No, it's uncomfortable all the time. If it were not, then you would wear a mask all the time forever, because you always have a non-zero probability of infecting someone with something. But you're not going to do that, because wearing a mask sucks.
>Far less risk
How do you know that? Again, not baiting. I have not seen studies on the health effects of prolonged face-mask use.

>>11988658
What do you mean?

Masks are mouth panties.

>>11988676
Banning products sold by large corporations is bad for the stock market, and reduces potential bribes for congressmen. I don’t know if it’s ever happened before.

>>11988704
Interesting take. I suppose you're right, it means soda companies run the country but I'm a fan of conspircy theories. For me it's ethics as well, soda just shouldn't be banned because freedom

>>11988676
We know not only that soda is harmful in multiple ways, it involves a corrupt industry that abused science to hide the harm for decades, and that sugar/caffeine makes it "addictive". We know how much banning it could improve the average person's health, assuming they don't just replace it with booze or something. The problem is that prohibition doesn't work well, especially when it's something very popular. And it's all made of common ingredients, so defining it to ban it without huge collateral damage is difficult.

Plus >>11988704 on top of that, that's a industry that would lose tens of billions per year. They could throw a ton of lobbying money at the government to neuter any attempt.

Because Americans in particular are edgelords who will always do the opposite than what is asked of them even if it is for their on health. Basic shit like wearing a mask is considered unacceptable because someone in a position of authority demanded it. It's also why /pol/ tends to worship cops not doctors because doctors will actually tell them they are dying whereas police leave them alone.

>>11988722
Most people are now stopping to wear masks (unless they are notorious hypochondriacs).

>>11987836
This. Every other post is brainwashed butthurt. Reminder the flu kills more babies and young people, yet no one wears masks for the flu

>>11988722
You're just stupid dude. I bet youd also wear goggles and put a dildo in your ass too if the newslady on cnn told you to

>>11988736
Reminder that we really should normalize wearing masks, especially for public-facing jobs. Why spread disease when there's a harmless way to spread it less?

>>11988739
All the time forever?

>>11988739
No, we should do the exact opposite.

>>11988742
In cold and flu season, when you feel off, etc. A lot of precautions we've implemented for COVID are good in general.

>>11988743
We should try to spread every disease as much as possible even when it won't lead to meaningful herd immunity?

Do americans really struggle breathing in their masks? Is it the obesity rate?

>>11988751
No, we should sabotage every lockdown/mask demand as much as possible (and that's a bare minimum).

>>11988754
Do you enjoy the muzzle? You should try latex play then.

>>11988751
For half of every year you want everybody to wear a facemask?

>>11988708
It’s not really a conspiracy theory. Look at where all the money in the CARES act went - mostly to massive corporations whose stocks would benefit from the free money. Politicians sold a bunch of stock based on this, and fuckall was done about it. As for bribes, check out Nancy Pelosi’s net worth; her cover is that she’s *really* good at fundraising.

Trump’s ban on flavored vape cartridges was, for example, a transparent attempt to placate the tobacco industry, which has made no secret of their manipulation of congress. Cigarettes surely would have been banned decades ago were it not for “lobbying”. Juul should have made a larger donation, apparently.

>>11987810
I don’t want to.

>>11988771
That's actually the perfectly sufficient reason.

>>11988754
No one actually does unless they forget they were breathing manually.

>>11988757
Why? So when this is over, they can say "wow, the countries that weren't fucking retards got to go back to normal, shame we had to wall off America forever"?

You're not fighting authoritarianism, you're helping accelerate it. "Masks didn't work because people wouldn't wear them even with mandates" could become "the vaccine won't work unless we go door to door administering it by force".

>>11988766
"Normalize" doesn't mean "mandate for everyone".

>>11988011
>Good mask have magic in it, make small thing no go in big hole.
Lmao most women have that magic as well, its why so many /pol/ users are virgins

>>11988777
No one has caught COVID while wearing a vagina as a face mask. Coincidence?

>>11988776
>"Normalize" doesn't mean "mandate for everyone".
It kinda does if it becomes a social obligation the way it is right now

>>11988776
>if you are raped, you should agree to be raped, and then it will be a non-rape
No, that still does no make any sense and isn't a good strategy.

>>11988739
No fuck off. Masks dont stop viruses that's why the flu and cold still exists retard

You just want a reason to hide your ugly face 24/7

>>11988776
You fight authoritarianism by actively fighting it, by protesting, or at least by widespread noncompliance.

>>11988729

Not if you live in a blue state where there's a real fear of infection, which is justified because just an ER trip costs $5k and being on a ventilator for a week is about $50k. Mask wearing isn't stupid unless you got that sort of money to throw away.

>>11988737

I do wear goggles, although independent of the virius since half my job is working on batteries (the other half is getting spit on by homeless people trying to steal them from to me).

>>11988790
>you fight authoritarianism by forcing mild authoritarians to be more authoritarian because you make the problems worse in response
Good luck with that.

>>11988786
>that's why the flu and cold still exists
Oh, yeah, I remember all those years everyone wore a mask all the time.

And again, no one claims they stop all viruses, there are, in fact, probabilities between 0 and 1.

>>11988804
If your "good luck with that" means "you can't do it", then the same is true for your conformist position. But my position at least allows me to be comfier meanwhile.

>>11988802
>since half my job is working on batteries
Batteries being dangerous is a hoax, goggles are making your eyes not breathe.

>>11988802
Masks don't protect you from getting sick

>>11988809
>to be comfier meanwhile
We have a choice between everyone suffering for longer, or being very slightly inconvenienced. You've chosen not going back to normal out of pathetic self-interest.

>>11988818
N95s do protect you, surgical masks protect everyone else. It's one of those things where if we could come together as a people, it would be great, but unfortunately most people are a combination of selfish, dumb, and partisan that prevents us from helping each other.

>>11988818
They protect others from getting sick if you're infected.

>>11988826
Of course self-interest and comfiness are very important and noble, but in this case it's also a part of a selfless fight against the abuse. We have a choice to mass-sabotage the demands, or to comply and then get something new again and again.

>>11988190
You and the absolute dumb cunts who listen to faggots like you are the reason I'm stuck in this lock down.
Fuck you and fuck your inbred fucking parents too, wherever they are.
The only reason I'm not promising to make you suffer for this is because you are already doing a far better job of that than I ever could, you fucking moron.

>>11988828
They should stay home if they don't want to get sick.

>>11988837
>is abused and forced to do the thing he hates
>blames not his abusers, but people who disagree with that abuse or even struggle against it
That's insanely pathetic.

>>11988838
some people need to get out for things like grocery shopping and god forbid going to a job. Staying at home is ideal and the best thing you can do, but sometimes you have responsibilities to attend.

>>11988838
What if they have kids or a significant other that gets infected through their job?

>>11988828
Ah I was reacting to a sentence that I thought was saying people in crowded cities wear masks to not get sick. They also don't make infection rates go down.

>>11988836
>self-interest and comfiness are very important and noble
You have an odd definition of "noble". Generally "noble" would imply giving up comfort and self-interest for the greater good.

>or to comply and then get something new again and again.
If you haven't noticed, you'll get "something new" either way, just your way means we're stuck with a virus going around and unable to do everything we want, and there will be a valid reason to bring in more rules.

>>11988849
If that significant other values his love so little and ignores his/her wishes, then they both deserve it. But that's not my business.

>>11988856
>just quit your job and don't eat because i'm too fat to fit a mask over my face

>>11988847
You feckless moron, you actual brain-dead retard. You are going to suffer and die for your idiocy and I am going to be laughing at every second of it.
Remember when you are face down on that ICU bed, remember that I am laughing at you.

>>11988854
>You have an odd definition of "noble". Generally "noble" would imply giving up comfort and self-interest for the greater good.
If you live in a place where there is a lockdown and forced masks, then going out/not wearing them has certain risk of being arrested/fined and is therefore noble.
>and there will be a valid reason to bring in more rules.
No, fully complying with ridiculous rules is what will bring you more rules. You can't satisfy the blackmailer by fully paying everything.

Fun fact: 50% of all Americans now personally know someone who has contracted coronations!

>>11988848
>>11988859
Here is a great solution for everyone: >>11988250

>>11988869
Don't choke on your face-panties meanwhile.

>>11988871
>has certain risk of being arrested/fined and is therefore noble
The most noble act anyone can do: smoking stolen crack while raping babies in a building you're burning down... while not wearing a mask. It's the most risk.

>You can't satisfy the blackmailer
A blackmailer isn't looking out for your health, or even claiming to.

>>11988874
It's a fake virus. The tests dont even work they have like 50% false positive on average. And alot of the deaths are just old age deaths the hospitals are calling "covid deaths" because it gets them more funding, and let's them act like there's some serious plague going on so they continue sitting on their ass all day. While people with real issues are told to stay home and suffer. Fuck americans

>>11988869
>You are going to suffer and die for your idiocy
No, the sad part is he isn't. He's helping contribute to other people dying, but the odds are good he won't die himself. He won't know what he's done, and he wouldn't care if he did.

>>11988890
>if you don't think people should have to wear masks, you're probably okay with baby-rape and arson
can't tell if baiting or bad at arguments

>>11988890
If that's your definition of noble, then stick with it.
>A blackmailer isn't looking out for your health, or even claiming to.
He can, that's called adding insult to injury.
I am also free to ignore someone who forces me to do something "for my health" or even fight him.

>>11988895
If I'll want to prevent people dying from a disease (no matter how serious), I'll first try to avoid sending sick people to nursing homes.

>>11988899
>>11988900
>risk of arrest means not wearing a mask is noble
>this doesn't apply to anything else, all other crimes aren't noble because it doesn't fit my agenda

>>11987810
So there is an underlying anti-intellectual and anti-government sentiment behind it, but the actual anti masker movement is being covertly aided by a number of hostile foreign governments, particularly China, in order to accelerate and sustain the spread of the virus in America.
This is why the anti mask movement is so much more prominent there than in any other part of the world.

>>11988895
Fuck off. The lockdowns and fear mongering media and people like you are the ones killing people. Heart disease deaths, alzheimers deaths, overdoses, suicides have all gone up dramatically because of the fear mongering media and peices of shit like you telling them to "stay home". While doctors and nurses are getting paid to sit in empty hospitals
Die in a fire. Not to mention the average covid death is older then the average life expectancy and they have someone whos 95 years old with Stage 4 cancer who sneezes a week before he dies and it gets labeled a covid death. Fake virus

>>11988903
Yes, but that's irrelevant.

>>11988904
>>11988854
>Generally "noble" would imply giving up comfort and self-interest for the greater good.
If the things you listed are for greater good, then it's noble for you.

>>11988904
Yes because asking people to wear a mask is a less reasonable law than don't rape babies

>>11988912
That's totally relevant. When you put people under house arrest to prevent small risks, but then do the thing which has the absolutely largest risk compared to everything else, then your motives become pretty clear.