/sci/ - Science & Math

started from the bottom

>>11986612
now we here

>>11986614
i didn't know they had that many prototypes already

>>11986614
'we here'? ebonics FFS? Literally the antithesis of civilisation and progress

>>11986610
>NOOO NOOO NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE MONEY TO SPACEX TO LAUNCH MILLITARY EQUIPMENT
>THINK OF THE RESULTS
>THINK OF OUR LACK OF RHETORIC
>THINK OF OUR SHAREHOLDERS
>THINK OF OUR SRB FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD STAGES

>>11986612
I've seen so many edits of that Musk pose that now the original photo looks like a photoshop

>>11986632
>relying on politics to do anything productive

>>11986632

>>11986632
don't make me do it, i'll say the N-word

Anyone else really looking forward to the next Starship update

>>11986647
I'm wondernig if they'll replace some of the landing legs, re-weld some new heatshields, refuel and then refly SN5.

If I had to guess maybe in 2 1-2 weeks.

>>11986647
>We've decided that steel is too heavy, our choice is cork, Emm. It will be able to withstand re entry temperatures on Earth and entry on Mars, we've already set up tree farm in Boca Chica. You all thought it was vertical assembly bay, ha ha.

>>11986612
>They call me Starship Pete
>I'm the king of the Rocket fleet
>And when my Raptors launch they go
>Chic-chic-ky-boom
>Chic-chic-ky-boom

Who will the first stranded starship screw be after an equipment failure?

>>11986678
Matt Damon

>>11986678
Kanye West.

>>11986754
What a fucking moron. At least he was smart enough to swindle retards out of their money twice in a row so that's something I guess.

>>11986624
niggers and faggots have taken over 4chan and american culture in general. i am afraid things will only get worse until we fight back. still,
>>11986614
you are a fucking nigger and I will lynch you one day

>>11986757
>edgy teenager acting tough
Go back to /pol/ or reddit

>>11986757
Lol

>>11986760
i'll go nowhere, I've published multiple papers. you fucking leave you fucking disgusting larper

>>11986754
Bernie is losing it. How dumb do you have to be to target the only person, only companies that are helping the liberals fight the climate change and electrification of the car industry.

>>11986771
Impressive how far you take this.

>>11986632
I thought the third stage was hydrolox.

So now that we know the engine's full name is Velociraptor, the first Starship across the Karman Line must be declared Clever Girl.

>>11986792
My bad, It's a 1st and 2nd stage SRB, with two attached SRB boosters lel

>>11986789
take what? calling someone a nigger is not edgy on 4chan. its you who acted like a fag

>>11986809
nigger

>>11986809
cope

>>11986754
Oh wow, so Tesla has generated 56 times more money then the government invested? I guess subsidizing Elon Musk is one of the extraordinarily rare cases in which the Government actually made an investment that produced more than it consumed. On top of that net worth, it generates 24 billion a year, or nearly five times the subsidy's value in revenue.
But then, that's not really welfare is it? Welfare is given out to people who are not participating significantly in society, theoretically to preserve their wellbeing long enough that they can return themselves to health or productivity.
Of course Bernie wouldn't understand any of this because he's an economically illiterate traitor and commie.

>>11986820
>I guess subsidizing Elon Musk is one of the extraordinarily rare cases in which the Government actually made an investment that produced more than it consumed.
The GDP multiplier for NASA is like 800%. Commies hate aerospace spending in the US because it improves everything, and happy people don't revolt.

Will NG bother launching OmegAAA even once? They've started building it, but since they lost NSSL, there's no market at all.

>>11986797
T-rex engines when?

>>11986830
18m Starships

I don't know if you all realized but Bernie Sanders can make Elon Musk broke, he will have to sell his controlling stake of Tesla stock to pay taxes to Medicare.

That will make the progress of space exploration, actually the progress of everything under Musk come to a grinding halt.

>>11986847
congress would never pass anything like that—it's honestly petty of him to target individuals instead of corporations. At worst it would be some kind of forced loan where the government would be on the hook for paying it back.

>>11986847
Lets start going after Disney, Amazon, Alphabet, Facebook, Apple, EA, Activision Blizzard, Bethesda first.

>>11986847
that’s not how income tax or capital gains works, you only pay tax on income, if you don’t sell a stalk you don’t make money, also keep politics in /pol/

>>11986847
Breadlines Bernie won't do shit. He's virtue signaling.

>>11986797
>So now that we know the engine's full name is Velociraptor
That was just a renaming.
Should've waited for a later itteration to slap the velociraptor name on it.
Although honestly, I find it kind of tacky and think Raptor is much smoother to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAkEOHhYuSo

>>11986847
>tfw we put 1.2 trillion dollars into medicare and medicaid, despite the programs barely ding shot
>tfw we spend more per capita on those programs compared to the UK's NHS, and Canada's healthcare net
Friendly reminder, any retard asking for expansions to public healthcare
We run our Healthcare public spending worse than SLS

>>11986847
>I don't know if you all realized but Bernie Sanders can make Elon Musk broke
How? By asking him to give up his money on twitter?

>ywn get paid to take pictures of Kinodiak

>>11986928
get paid to photograph scrubs

>>11986779
Pretty smart if your real power is in complaining about climate change, not in actually fixing it. Because if you fixed it, you couldn't complain about it anymore.

>>11986917

He has introduced a bill in congress to get their money.

"Make Billionares Pay Act"

https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-bernie-sanders-one-time-tax/

>>11986899
Can't wait for affordable space tourism to come so I can see stuff like this in-person.

>>11986876
Bernie Sanders recently introduced a bill that would create a special, one time tax on 60% wealth gained by billionaires between March 18th and August 5th. This is of course retarded at multiple levels, since the vast bulk of that wealth increase during that time period is merely from stock prices recovering from the sharp drop they had at the end of Feb/beginning of March, alongside with the Fed purposefully propping up the market (which is really good for old people with pensions & 401ks) via money printer going brrr. And of course forcing all the billionaires to sell that much stock at once would crater the price, since well who would have the cash on hand to buy it? Well aside from foreign operations. You know Geely or BYD would be first in line to buy Tesla shares.

How soon could we have landed on Mars if Nixon didn't go full shuttle-autism after Apollo ended?

>>11986940
So bernie is basically proposing a bill to crash the stock market to record levels, by forcing mass stock selloff which will induce a panic with investors?

>>11986856
it doesn't target musk himself, don't reply to shitty politicsbait

>>11986940
And it's ex-post-facto too? Nice way to double down on the retard.
(lol at the date on this one... Dec 2015)

>>11986954
>muh magick numbers are important
cucked

>>11986962
>he doesn't want a magic 8ball economy

>>11986938
I doubt that it would pass. >>11986940 makes a good point in that the accumulation of wealth of these billionaires that the bill wants to tax is due to the market recovering, and taxing them now would just hurt the market again. There's also the issue that the bill is very unfriendly towards these wealthy people who invest heavily into the industries of the nation. Even if the bill doesn't hurt their wallets, it'll tell them that this nation is no longer friendly to them and that they might have to move out. Which is the opposite of what this nation needs right now.

Now, lets reel the discussion back to space flight related topics. How would an interplanetary stock market work? Would there be tight regulations on business information to reduce the advantage/disadvantage communications delay would have between planets? Would the idea be abandoned completely and each planet would have their own independent market?

>>11986956
>it doesn't target musk himself, don't reply to shitty politicsbait

It still targets him lmao, his companies are running on a thin profit line, some it's non-existant. He finances Neuralink.

This is /sci/ related because Elon Musk companies are the driving force today for scientific and technological progress, and all that can come crashing down because of a smiling jew.

>>11986974
>capital flight meme
nobody is going to flee from the largest market in the world lmao, plus the US has pretty punitive exit tax laws to prevent exactly that
to your second point I can't imagine the space economy, at least in our lifetimes, won't be heavily consolidated into a few mega-conglomerates per-country.

>>11986933
Please can you cut down on the swearing? I'm canonically 14

>>11986982
>please let me screech about my gay political grievances because the thought of someone taxing my lord and savior kills my boner
talk about rockets or fuck off, retard

>>11986950
Hard to say, because it wasn't just Nixon who wanted to cut down NASA. The whole of Congress did too. After Apollo, they lost interest in giving the massive funding to NASA. I doubt that there would be a manned Mars mission, even if NASA went with the ultimate hindsight launch vehicle for the time, because such a mission still requires a significant amount of funding that Congress wasn't willing to give it.

>private venture builds moonbase for mining
>they build maglev rail gun for launching payloads back to the earth for cheap
>they conveniently also use it to launch tungsten poles at earth cities, every city in range
>all you need is a small CO2 thruster to guide rod
>moon colony declares supremacy over the earth
>>11986992
Space is, and always will be inherently political you fucking sperg

>>11986940
>>11986954
The craziest part is that most of the "wealth" gain came from the stock market rebounding since the inclusion date starts right at the bottom of the crash. Pure thievery.

It's also crazy that Elon specifically stated that he was in favor of direct stimulus payments to the public instead of corporations and it was ignored by Bernie for he could drum up hatred against billionaires.
>>11986962
Yes, they're important for a number of reasons which you won't understand because you're retarded.

>>11986992

boom boom rockets space hahaha would also go burst, my dear closeted socialist.

SpaceX? Spaceship? Mars? Bye bye

Even Blue Origins would suffer from this.

I will die of old age before americans put men on Mars using public organizations.

Reminder elon musk's thrift store rockets are too cheap and weak to enter non orbital space

>>11986992
based retard

>>11986998
>hurr durr it's important to let jewish pedos gamble with other people's retirement funds because uhhhh one of them paid an epic smart guy to say that it was good

>>11986982
>Elon Musk companies are the driving force today for scientific and technological progress

Bullshit hes still still 60 years behind NASA

>>11987003
Based. SLS is real; I have yet to see SpaceX launch a single thing into space.

>>11987009
No? SpaceX is more like 50 years ahead of NASA in terms of launch vehicles, because they have a semi-reusable vehicle that actually works.

>>11987009
>60 years behind NASA
NASA has been stagnant for the last 45 lmao
There was literally zero progress due to the space shuttle forcing them to hold onto legacy hardware for so long

>>11986624
It’s a song lyric

>>11987009

>NASA still uses disposable rockets
>No deep space rocket ship
>Needs private companies to land on the moon
>Needs private companies to land on Mars
>Needs private companies to take astronauts to the ISS
>Needs private companies

>>11987020
>>11987022

Has elon been to the moon, let alone left earths orbit? Nope. Who gives a fuck if his rockets can re land when the "rockets" are too weak to even leave earths orbit. It's pointless.

>>11987005
Literally Google "why the stock market is important", and stop shitposting about it here. Hell, just stop posting here in general.

>>11987025
He launched a car into a heliocentric orbit that extends past mars

>>11987024
Yeah because its fucking expensive to have a Rocket ship powerful enough to make it to the moon. Congrats elon funds his own rockets but they can't even escape earths orbit because they arent powerful enough. NASA is still the goat

>>11987025

>Ignoring the fact that NASA paid SpaceX, Blue Origins, Lockheed Martins and several other companies to get them back to the moon

Yeah, you are either braindead or a worthless troll

>>11987033
>what is Falcon Heavy in expendable mode

>>11987032
A car isnt a rocket ship. Theres literally no point in sending a car space. NASA sends satellites which helps understand the universe, elon sends a fucking car and you kiss his asshole LOL

>>11987025
>Has elon been to the moon, let alone left earths orbit?
Not him personally, but the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy have lifted stuff beyond LEO. Beresheet is a lunar example, and Starman is a Martian example.

>Who gives a fuck if his rockets can re land when the "rockets" are too weak to even leave earths orbit. It's pointless.
They can leave Earth's orbit, but even if they couldn't then the fact that they can land is still important. Leaving the Earth's surface is the most expensive and limiting part of the journey in space. Having a vehicle to get through that part that is cheap would enable greater payloads to space.

>>11987039
You will never pass tranny

>>11987035
sounds like budgetary concerns to me

>>11987035
Apparently it's the second option

>>11987035
Third option, a janny.

>>11986974
Well, I imagine each planet/moon/asteroid would develop its own stock market as its population and business activity reached sufficient size. The comm lag issue is interesting to consider, especially since it won't be static - as objects move around the sun who has the lowest lag to other markets will change. Honestly i don't think regulations will be needed for this - everyone will know what the other lag times are, since orbits are predictable, and will take it into account when deciding to make trades.

>>11987038
A peice of shit

The Falcon Heavy was designed to be able to carry humans into space beyond low Earth orbit
>low earth orbit

Low earth orbit congrats bitch, a fucking 9 year old with a fancy weather balloon is capable of sending a craft into low earth orbit

Hit me up when he makes a real rocket capable of leaving earths orbit like nasa can

>>11987029

>>11986995
So the only way NASA could go to Mars before 2000 is if the USSR landed on the moon?

>>11987051

>>11987052

>>11987056
It's not bait it's true. NASA does the real shit the only thing Elon can do is re land his shitty rockets. Which isnt that impressive or innovative we've known the technology since the 1920. Sorry to burst your fanboy bubble

>>11987056
This

>>11986998
I used to like Bernie, but now I wonder if hes pulling all this shit to make Biden look good by comparison. I'm not a billion dollars in debt or poorer because Elon Musk is a billionaire, that's not how things work.

>Low earth orbit congrats bitch, a fucking 9 year old with a fancy weather balloon is capable of sending a craft into low earth orbit
anon, sending anything into low orbit takes many kilometers per second of deltav, something that can NOT be accomplished by a weather balloon.
>Hit me up when he makes a real rocket capable of leaving earths orbit like nasa can
Good thing he's designing one as we speak!

>>11987071
Don't give him more attention.

>>11986995
>yeah fuck NASA we got Latin American countries to destabilize and the drug trade to oversee
why does America always do this

>>11987068
nigger

>>11987064
I was going to do a set of vernier thrusters, but good pictures of them are hard to find. So here's another production image.

>>11987071
>Designing one as we speak

>>11987074
This.

>>11987073
nowadays the focus is on bringing latin america to america

>>11987071
SpaceX has been around for 15 years youd think by now they would have figured out how to enter space considering space is In the name of their company
>>11987071
North koreas sends ICBMs higher then elons rockets can go

>>11987080
And the problem was fixed.

>>11987075

>>11987086
Anon, you're unironically a nigger. I hope you lynch yourself while trying to climb the famed watermelon tree with a rope.

>>11987082
we have no choice, white girls refuse to marry and have kids with you

>>11987088
>150m
>Space
...*yawn*

>>11987095
>we have no choice, white girls refuse to marry and have kids with you
not really, white people still overwhelmingly marry other white people, and it also heavily depends on which part of the country you're in

>>11987095
why would anyone want to have kids with white w*men, you ever met one?

>>11987092
I don't know why, but the Soviets really loved their vernier engines.

>>11987097
>150m on one engine on one stage
>completed second stage will have three at a time
>completed first stage sill have 31 engines

>>11987102

>>11987097
Still killed your meme pic of an explosion.

>>11987094
Nah go purchase more tesla stock so Elon can continue being a nigger and pretending hes doing anything special like the nigger jew he is

>>11987112
I wonder if vernier engines can be bought.

Why haven't we gone back to the moon in such a long time? The government has the technology and they're the best at putting us into space. Why?

>>11987114
The anon you responded to has lower IQ then sub-saharan africans. It would be an insult to africans to call him a nigger, he is so retarded.

>>11987068

Just ignore him you fucking morons.

>>11987116

>>11987068

>>11987119
Its expensive and theres no point we can study the moon without having to physically go there

>>11987127
In other words, thank god for spacex.

>>11987119
Because the government doesn't have the technology and they're the worst at doing everything except theft, fraud and extortion.

>>11987130
Fuck off SpaceX literally has never been to space

>>11987119
Lack of interest, and lack of any good reason. Sure, there are tons of valuable materials in space, but they're in plenty quantity on Earth already. Colonization to maintain the human race if Earth were to become inhabitable is a noble cause, but that is too far into the future for most people to consider important. Really, the only good reason left to take to space (other than for the spectacle and scientific interests) is so that others won't take it, and most of the nations who have space flight capability have signed a treaty swearing off on it. The ones who haven't aren't interested in starting a space grab, yet.

>>11987135
Its expensive and theres no point we can study the moon without having to physically go there

>>11987124

>>11987135
depots

>>11987144

Wtf happened to this thread? How hard is it to just ignore the trolls.

List reasons space should be explored.

>>11987153
i dont think this person is a troll, i think they're just legitimately retarded

>>11987150

>>11987156

>>11987153
>List reasons space should be explored.
Curiosity
Scientific study
Resource utilization
Because it's there

>>11987155
Irrelevant. Neither can be convinced on 4chan.

>>11987123
>>11987153
Just report him and let that one especially autistic j*nny clean it up.

Meanwhile in Korea.
>So far, the South Korean government has a 3 trillion won ($25.2 billion) budget for the development of space rockets, spending 1 trillion won for the Naro-1, South Korea's first carrier rocket, and 2 trillion won for Nuri, the country's second carrier rocket. The KARI developed both rockets.

"The costs spent by the South Korean government to develop the two rockets were 10 times higher than those spent by SpaceX," Kim Seung-jo, former president of KARI, said in a recent interview with ChosunBiz. "But the South Korean government's outcomes in its rocket projects were far behind the Falcon9 rocket produced by SpaceX."

Korean government already realizing the superiority of SpaceX.

>>11987160
It's almost a shame that SpaceX has so few rocket engine designs.

>>11987153

>List reasons space should be explored.

Space is raw power, I wonder why nobody noticed that.
You control the deep space, you control humanity, you control the future. The first human empire can be achieve if one orbits something like 4 asteroids around Earth and force the rest of the nations to obey you or be extinct.

>>11987170
ROCKET SPOON

>>11987168
>$25.2B to develop two rockets, the largest of which can carry 2.6t to LEO
Got a source on the cost? Because that sounds so ridiculous that you have to think that South Korea has a Shelby clone named Licheodeu Swelbi.

>>11987168
Stop being retarded. You need to spend money to get to space. Space can keep bragging about how cheap they are but they arent powerful enough to enter space so what's the point?

>>11987177
SpaceX brand cereal when?

>>11987183

>>11987182
depots

>>11987173
I don't know how much I support this idea. Space basically gives us a chance to learn from the lessons of the first age of exploration. Trying to use space to gain a massive advantage over say, China, means you either have to act preemptively. Or just invite china to engage in a space arms race.

I'd like to think that people in the West and even China have gotten so used to peace that even the threat of a conventional war will be enough to deconflict. Modern war between superpowers would be hell on earth.

>>11986806
>>11986792
>>11986632
So is OmegA finished now?

I would have loved to see it just for the meme gimmick of SRB boosters attached to an SRB first stage.

Imagine the plume....

>>11987191
>wtf why are you sailing across the Atlantic, there's nothing over there you retards
literally the same mentality

>>11986826
Yes, probably as a cover for this.
https://www.defensenews.com/space/2020/04/16/northrop-could-be-getting-an-85b-award-to-produce-next-gen-icbms-sooner-than-expected/

SRB's are really the most American way of space travel when you think about it...

What if we attached a simple lunar lander/module craft to an SRB in orbit and lit it up for the moon, would it be too unstable or shake too much to deliver any astronauts there in one piece?

>>11987201
>not using solids for the entire moon mission
Plebeian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhdrCxin7A0

>>11986754
>NOOOOOOOOO NOT OUR HECKING ELONGAREENO!

>>11987182
Stop being retarded. You need money to spend money to get to space. Government > Space X anons can keep bragging about how powerful the government is, but there is no political will to enter space so what's the point?

>>11987197
It's an effective analogy. Just there's no second chances when it comes to war this time around.

Why is everybody complaining? We should be happy America is about to have 5 crewed options for space travel, 2 for lunar travel, and like 10 different rockets available
Plus were developing a few super heavy lifters again, which should all be finished before China/Russia even finish designing theirs

We're winning in space again

>>11987260
what the fuck is the ESA doing?

>>11986754
Why does he seethe so much about Elon? Instead of any of the hundreds of much more ruthless CEOs of much shittier companies out there? Is he retarded?

>>11987264
climate change research and other shit that has nothing to do with spaceflight

>>11987168
to be fair
worst korea also had to start from the very bottom
from the engines to infrastructure thanks to ITAR
while spacex started with an existing engine design and iterated on it (merlin)
starting an independent space program has a very high upfront cost

>>11987264
Complaining about reuse while designing meme super heavy SSTOs similar to DC-X thats powered by Hypergolics

>>11987266
Elon didn't tie himself into pretzel shapes to figure out how Trump can be at fault for every evil in the world, and he brazenly ignored Commiefornia's completely unconstitutional coof restrictions.

>>11987260
Based and optimism-pilled. Space flight is finally crawling out of its dark age.

>>11987276
how long before humanitiesfags try to screw it up?

>>11987271
>Hypergolics
Correction, monopropellant. My guess is metallic monohydrogen that is decomposed to dihydrogen gas.

>>11987260
WHAT IS THE POINT OF 5 FUCKING ROCKETS TO CHOOSE FROM WHEN THERE IS NOTHING TO LAUNCH!?

At this point we need companies making shit to loft into orbit with these big new heavy rockets
>space stations
>telescopes
>spacecraft to assemble in orbit
>satellite tugs/refuelers/maintenance
>space debris collectors
>0g manufacturing facilities
>lunar stations/bases/rovers/landers

For fucks sake we're gonna run into a problem where we have a fleet of rockets but nothing to launch on them, especially now that Bigelow looks to be ded, and inflatable space habs were looking really promising and like a good use of those rockets and their large fairings

>>11987280
Once we're in space we can just leave them behind, if they were intelligent enough to build rockets they wouldn't be humanitiesfags.

>>11987280
when the first mars landing happens, so 2026 or 2029

>>11987280
You mean the virtue signaling types? I don't think they can screw it up within our lifetimes. When risks are high, and everything needs to work well, then there isn't room for silly stuff like making sure that the tacos are authentic Lantix tacos. Such things creep in when there's room to be lax.

>>11987291
Simple, start 4ASS orbital services. It'll start with smallsat stuff like tugs and landers, and work its way up.

>>11987292
humanitiesfags are expert infiltrators and subverters

>>11987291
anyone know any more shit we can put into space now? with all the launch options we're gonna have available in the next 5 years

>>11987302
>Tfw the humanities will shill for a Martian preservation movement
How long until ecofags demand Mars be left untoched to prevent contamination?

>>11987302
Air locks are easily accessible and ship-law rules in space.

>>11987312
Anon... it's already happening.

>>11987168
What is the point of SK spending billions on developing their own rockets when they can instead spend billions on developing stations/landers/probes that can launch on one of many commercial rocket options available to them like SpaceX?

>>11987310
ISS replacement in medium earth orbit, Rotating space station made out of inflating modules, super big JWT alternatives, Europa submarine, Jupiter and Saturn atmospheric balloons/drones, Venus balloon probes, 50m+ inflating space stations, space hotels,
Also Mars and moon base shit

>>11987312
they've started already

>>11987322
Personally I want to see more stations with their own different inclinations

Imagine how cool a polar orbiting station would be, with its cupola, you would be overflying the north and south poles daily, that would be cool as fuck

So anons, with orbital construction hopefully kicking off within the next 10-20 years, what sorts of (semi)autonomous space drones would you envision helping at construction projects? Pic related is an observation drone from the gateway foundation. I'm thinking humans would handle the complex shit like assembling or installing medium/small-ish sized modules or something while these observer drones spot for tools flying away and provide vision for other drones moving larger pieces or modules, like a truss segment. There would also be grabber drones that retrieve loose/irregular shaped tools/debris, or for delivering tools/ parts to workers similar to those described in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ6wwA9wXog
Drones for grabbing on to and maneuvering and position large segments would also be needed on an orbital construction project where robotic arms can't reach to effectively. Lastly, some sort of central drone port where they can refill their reaction propellant/recharge would be required. A company could churn out a ton of these small, standardized drones and operate them for orbital projects. What are your ideas for space drones? Neat idea for 4ASS?

>>11987312
>ecofags
are we talking about the same people that shot down nuclear energy in favour of their solar/wind bullshit

>>11987302
Simply let them out of the ship for a breath of fresh air.

>>11987333
>what sorts of (semi)autonomous space drones would you envision helping at construction projects
space construction drones are a trap. If we decide to rely on them we're pushing back serious orbital construction by a decade at least than if we just packed a bunch of mexicans into a starship and had them take 6 hour shifts over the course of the week.

>>11987345
Oh lord no. Astronauts are awful at building things and need frequent breaks,you can have drones running 24/7 365. Robotics is advancing in leaps and bounds, no reason we can't make robots that can move at a reasonable speed.

>>11987282
More on this? I can't find anything on the web about it.

>>11987365
>450s Isp monopropellant
They probably deleted it in shame.

>>11987364
>Robotics is advancing in leaps and bounds, no reason we can't make robots that can move at a reasonable speed
robotics is, but software isn't

>>11987205
The government has actually been in space and has the technology to do it.

How will Elon recover?

>>11987345
doubt it advanced nearly enough for large scale orbital construction to be feasible with drones

>>11987345
> If we decide to rely on them we're pushing back serious orbital construction by a decade at least than if we just packed a bunch of mexicans into a starship
Explain how?? I dont think humans would be that effective at performing specialized and dangerous tasks like sitting in space and observing the site for debris and loose tools and moving around large pieces of structural components

>>11986832
12m is kino

>>11987384
Software is the main area that is exciting now that moore's Law is winding down. Construction in space is,if anything, a way way way easier problem than trying to make a self-driving car-less chaotic environment and you can move much more slowly in what you do. It's not that hard ot make a robot that can rotate objects and screw things in,which is most of what they would be doing. Humans qwouldn't be totally absent,but it's much more efficient to have one person watching 15 robots build stuff.

>>11987020
NASA put men on the moon 50 years ago, so they are 50 years ahead of SpaceX by definition.

Apologies for the ignorance, but in terms of Falcon Heavy why wasn't it as easy as
>Ha ha I just stuck 3 F9 stages together and made heavy lift vehicle
Elon talked alot about it being more complicated than he expected

>>11987153
this century is our last chance to make it out of LEO before the world order collapses under changing demographics

>>11987426
The base tank is designed for load from engines below, but the side boosters put force onto the core from the side. You need to adjust the tanks to deal with the forces changing directions.

>>11987430
true

>>11987430
malthusian catastrophe when

>>11987430
Whitey on da Mars.

>>11987434
this is why we need non-rocket space launch options

>>11987421
Thank you I'm tired of people shitting on NASA when they accomplished so much more then Elon ever will.

The bitch hasn't even been to space yet everyone sucks his dick like he's some innovative genius. He's really fooling everyone

>>11986988
fuck off underage b& global rule #2

>>11987451
they'd accomplish more if the poor bastards actually got some funding and direction after Merica got bored of the space race

>>11987448
Huh?

>>11987421
That is fair, but that post was referring to reusable launch vehicles which was something NASA was trying to get right for decades and SpaceX managed to create one so successful that it's dominating the commercial launch market right now.

>>11987451
That’s because comparing him to NASA is retarded. A more appropriate comparison would be him vs. Von Braun.

>>11987333
>4ASS designed observation drone contracted to /pol/
>scanning worker, analyzing with advanced algorithms
>TRANNY SPOTTED, SIGNALLING GRABBER DRONES FOR FORCED DEORBITING
>"wtf yikes how could it tell through the eva suit reeeeee"
>up here, we take care of the other 59%

>>11987440
the sooner the better

>>11987467
Nasa has been sending deep space proves into the universe all the time. They put a rover on mars. We've learned alot about the universe in the past 50 years. What space race? There's no point in sending humans to mars we don't know how to unless a breakthrough in technology arises.

>>11987484
Is that 378 million in the fucking congo?

>>11987447
das rite

>>11987474
I dunno, catapults?
Maybe one of those massive multistage nazi guns up a mountainside to shoot shit into space?

>>11987451
>>11987486
Don't respond to him retard.

>>11987487
Yes.

>>11987479
Von brain still did way more then Elon ever will. Elon is just a liar and a phony. He said 5 years ago he would be in mars and have bases on the moon by 2020 lol. He's not even relevant

>>11987499
earth is doomed lmao, billions of 70iq monkey

>>11987499
that's fucking impossible
it has to plateau at some point
meanwhile in the West it's gonna be 2 dogs and an abortion for most families

>>11987500
What, von braun promised Mars colonies 10 years after the Apollo missions. Elon has probably done more than von braun ever had

>>11986754
4.9 billion? That's barely a month of social gibs. Look at how much Contellation/Ares/SLS has burned up and it still hasn't had a first launch yet.

>>11987474
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-rocket_spacelaunch

>>11987500
If it happens in 4 years, no one will give a fuck. We've had 50 years of jack shit.

>>11987515
Von Braun made first practical liquid rocket.

>>11987517
I like those spinlaunch maniacs. someone needs to get them access to a nice high mountain-their concept has MASSIVe performance gains if it can avoid excessive atmospheric drag.

>>11987515
He literally invented space travel. What the fuck has Elon done? Re land aircraft? You realize we've known how to re land aircraft for 100 years?inb4 but they are rockets, no rockets enter space, his can't

>>11987518
handing it over to SpaceX sounds like a far better investment than propping up the trademarked American nigconomy

>>11987522
And?

>>11987531
So if Mr. Musk manages to send his Starship to mars, then will he be legitimate in your eyes?

>>11987202
that video was kino af

>>11987535
>And?
you can't be serious

>>11987531
Fuck off. Guys, this is an obvious troll. How is /sfg/ falling for this retarded bait.

>>11987531

>>11987508
>>11987504
I'll also mention that the charts I've posted reflect the UN Medium growth scenario, corresponding to an African population of around 4.2 billion in 2100.
The high end of the 95% confidence interval is comically catastrophic.

>>11987541
Sure but that will never happen
>>11987544
??

>>11987553
Are you sure you want to play the "Elon will never" game?

Every single person who has has lost.

>>11987551
jesus fuck, might as well put a blacked logo over a picture of the whole Earth

at this rate Europe will never, ever stop accepting migrants/refugees/climate refugees/water refugees and will be swarmed in a tide of non-Europeans which they allowed in

>>11987508
The population plateau happens only in good living conditions. When you don't need to pop out 7 kids to hope that at least 1-3 survive to adulthood. Or when people realise they can do more in life than reproduce, like career development.

>>11987561
or the west stops sending that trillion in aid and lets monkies starve

>>11987557
>Every single person who has has lost.

How? What has he done? Literally the one thing he's good st is making false promises to get people excited.

>>11987570

>>11987570
Gib an example comrade

>>11987561
It's just cause people have sex. In the west they have ways to stop getting pregnant, in africa they don't. I doubt the projections are extremely accurate, likely an overcount. Near 1 billion in nigeria is comical. It's 1.4 times bigger than texas

Ignore the troll faggots.
Post more about >boing

>>11987559
The world is going to get very ugly after 2050 or so, hopefully we can see some Mars kino in the 2030's before it all collapses.
I guess the one silver lining is that the Chinese population is expected to atrophy irreversibly due to low fertility and 1 child policy.

>>11987484

It angers me that this picture is not responsible for any scientific breakthrough in the history of humanity.

We are doomed when they become the majority.

>>11987068
If it's so easy, why ins't NASA landing rockets?

>>11987582
I already said a bunch. He was saying 4 years ago he would have a base on the moon by 2020.

>>11987592
Yeah it’s funny how we originally came from Africa, but it seems the further we migrated away from it the better we did.

>>11987135
>SpaceX literally has never been to space
No that's Blue Origin you're thinking of

>>11987595
If you want to make fun of someone make fun of Bezos. Elon Musk an eccentric cringe lord but spacex has actually done a lot to advance spaceflight, other than just propulsive landings. Now quit being a faggot your bait isn’t even good bait

>>11987430
>>11987588

Holy autism those predictions are retarded. Africa is only growing like this because it's still mostly poor as fuck. As African nations develop numbers will go down. Same shit happened in Asia.

>>11987561
Not true, for example Bangladesh has already fallen below the replacement rate and its a fucking dump. Other African nations such as Botswana are already getting close to the 2.1 tfr for population stability. TFR in africa will fall as quickly as we are able to provide family planning support, education and healthcare. Africa will go through a boom, but theres no way it will hit any of the doomer projections.

>>11987593
Because when it comes to REAL rockets it's cheaper to create a disposable one because they are not meant to be re used. But NASA does have shitty rockets like Elon which are in fact re usable

>>11987544
It's so transparent that I am disappoint that they aren't at least trying to troll back.

>>11987620
Addendum: I should've said you don't necessarily need to improve the conditions of countries to 1st world standards to get a fall in TFR.

>>11987616
>Elon Musk has actually done a lot to advance spaceflight

His "rockets" have never even been to space. Try again

>>11987621

THE
EARTH
IS
FLAT

>>11987631

>>11987621
>>11987631
>>11987595
>>11987135
can you at least do fun bait, like the proonter shit?

>>11987620
>>11987619
the projections take into account a demographic transition and falling birthrates
https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/Probabilistic/POP/TOT/903

>>11987632
"Reusable rockets are only valuable if the frequency of launches is great enough to outweigh the cost of developing and utilizing the technology"

"It would have been silly to waste Apollo project funds trying to make the Saturn V reusable. Only about a dozen launches of the Saturn V were planned, so it was cheaper to use a disposable launch vehicle.

When it came time for the Space Shuttle, NASA did plan to do many and frequent launches, so the Orbiter and the Solid Rocket Boosters were designed to be reusable. It wasn't deemed worthwhile to make the External Tank reusable"

>>11987646
For instance, here is the TFR projection. I would say it is actually rather optimistic.

>>11987620
African countries cover a wide spectrum from complete disaster failed state like CAR and Somalia to bretty gud-tier like Botswana and Namibia
the only problem is how negatively this boom would affect the West + how bad climate change ends up being

Why HARP hasn't been more researched?

>>11987649
however the current momentum is enough to carry Africa to a population exceeding 4 billion by 2100.

>>11987644
It's not bait. Seethe and cope. Spacex has never left earths orbit into what we know of as space

>>11987647

>>11987621
a falcon 9 costs three times more than an atlas V, which isn't much when you can use a falcon 9 more than three times

>>11987655
of course spacex has never left earths orbit, space isn't real dumbass.

>>11987658
>>11987647

Read the quote I posted. The falcon can't go to space like the Saturn can

>>11987655
>>11987661

>>11987646
Honestly, the medium number of that doesn't look that bad, and considering we will probably hit in one of the smaller numbers. I'm rather optimistic on the TFR falling faster than projected but that's just me. Frankly, Africa is horribly underpopulated considering its size, though that should be tempered by the smaller amount of arable land on the continent.
>>11987651
Dude, I wish people knew how chadly Botswanna is, like they just managed to fucking avoid all the classic pitfalls of post colonial nations. I do have hope that regional leaders like Ethiopia or maybe Rwanda(if you consider kagame a stable leader) will be able to start projecting stability into the neighboring nations. Africa isn't as fucked as the doomers and Aryan larpers pretend it is.

>>11987663
>Africa isn't as fucked as the doomers and Aryan larpers pretend it is.
Africa isn't one country. Chances are some countries will adapt really well (if they can avoid the chink debt trap) but the other ones that don't and end up falling into ruin will fuck it up for everyone including Eurofags and Americans

Jesus christ stop posting population demographic graphs no one gives a shit

>>11987663
>the medium number of that doesn't look that bad
the current population of subsaharan Africa is around 1 billion, and it's already resulting in mass migration. The fucking lowest end of the 95% confidence interval corresponds to over 3.5 billion Africans in 2100.

>>11987668
Yeah, thats true. Truly, we don't know if the Chinese Belt and Meme debt trap will actually work, like they've built debt in several countries. But, we haven't seen Xi try and use that debt as a lever for pushing policy, so we don't know if the african nations will care or just say "lol I declare bankruptcy". Nevermind, the western response if we either provide credit or prevent the burgeoning PLAN from using gunboat diplomacy in them to exert control. Either way I think there's a way to keep a lid on the pot of the feared hordes of african climate refugees everyone uses to push whatever political narrative is hot at the time.

Is there any advantage to using Hypergolic fuel in large rockets or does it get BTFO by kerolox and methalox?

>>11987661
Space isn't fucking real dumbass. You can't go past the firmament.

>>11987661
The Falcon actually fairs better, because the Saturn need two stages and a small burn from the third to get to orbit, but the Falcon only needs two

>>11987146
FUCK YOU

>>11987682
hello UNHCR, how is the weather in geneva? I hope you are hard at work on a new migration compact.

>>11987696
Falcon still isn't powerful enough to get to true space. I realize this might be a shock to slot of people cause the only thing people ever do is suck his dick. But in reality he's pretty weak sauce

>>11987709

>>11987709
Why do you think space is real?

Why the FUCK is NASA using Hydrolox for the Delta IV?

>>11987709
Rockets don’t even work in space retard

>>11987718
Because NASA goes there. How does Elon cope?

>>11987716
How many of these pics do you have

>>11987725
NASA and SpaceX are both faking space, there is no such thing as space.

Probably going to be called a retard, but i'm going to ask anyway.
What if instead starship used a heatshield like in the picture of this fictional rocket?

The earth is flat, prove me wrong

Can you retards please stop giving that baiting tranny (you)'s PLEASE?

>>11987725

>>11987729
Lots

>>11987732
Yes, and trump&bernie&hillary are reptilian.

>>11987682
just report and hide it if you have a problem with it, don't give it something to reply to

>>11987737
What's the point? It's more mass and drag efficient to use thermal tiles on it's belly and aerobrake that way. Also much less complex and needs way less maintenance.

>>11987747
thermal tiles have a bad rap.

Worst thread

>>11987752
NASA has a bad rap, let's not blame the tiles for their incompetence. Besides SpaceX has tested them well.

>>11987097
Post yours, Bezos.

>>11987737
that looks really heavy and complex, if anything fails everyone dies.

>>11987759
And if one tile fails it turns in to a blowtorch right making it's way in to your rocket.

>>11987150
I sometimes forget that Merlin is actually pretty fucking big

>>11987775
Falcon 9 is a big rocket, a lanket.

why is august dead for launches?

>>11986754
is bernie retarded or what, look at fucking boeing. not a single launch and a masive money blackhole

>>11987797
People are vacation?

>>11987737
Since what forms on the outside of the spaceship is just plasma, why not just use electromagnets to repel the plasma and keep it from overheating?

>>11987722
NASA doesn't use the Delta IV, ULA does.

>>11987799
Bernie was talking about tesla, and i think bernie is a fake commie controlled opposition piece of shit but it is a fact that tesla has recieved a shitload of tax money and they should pay it back at some point.

>>11987805
The fusion reactor&superconductors would be a bit on the heavy side, on they also dont excist.

>>11986754
Sanders is eternally ass pained that the usa isn't the soviet union. Where politicians hold all the wealth and power, and he is a top party member.

>>11987814
Plasma has an electric charge. Charge the ship with the same polarity and it's repelled.

I just made some more solid propellant, but I'm in need of better starters. I've been using fuses from fireworks, but I'd like something that would allow me to be farther away from the motor. I did try to use electric starters that use nichrome wire from Estes, however they don't seem to work well for the propellant I'm using. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks in advance.

>>11987826
Mercury fulminate.

>>11987826
>Anyone got any ideas?
Electric matches (it's just a thin copper wire wrapped around a match's head) and pic related

>>11987826
Why not just use a model rocket starter?

>>11987266
Elon draws attention to himself, which ends up also painting a bigger target on his back

>>11987851
>I did try to use electric starters that use nichrome wire from Estes

>>11987814
Tesla is the only major automaker that paid back all the loans given to them by the government. They no longer get any federal subsidy for their cars in the US. The oil and gas industry is still receives money from the government yet this is what Bernie is concerning himself with?

>>11987833
That seems like a great idea. I'll look into that.

>>11987851
I did. That's the electric starter I mentioned. The resistor that's supposed to be in the motor would burn out before it would heat up the propellant enough to start a reaction.

>>11987855
>yet this is what Bernie is concerning himself with?
Probably because Bernie's political gimmick is that he wants to have the rich people "pay". Elon is a very popular rich man. So it makes sense for Bernie to go after Elon for publicity instead of more wealthy people that most Americans wouldn't be familiar with even though Bernie's stance would be more applicable to those people.

>>11987864
People richer than him. Sanders mentions millionaires less since he became one.

He is a Bolshevik and his end game is the soviet states of America. With him and his chosen people on top.

>>11987805
Heavier and way more complex and expensive than simple physical protective tiles.

>>11987853
Yeah I hope he doesn't get suicided by two shots to the back of the head for running his mouth too much. That's one of my greatest fears. It was pretty telling when the jews were trying to take over his companies last year when he was going through that rough patch. I'm not sure his companies could survive without him. Maybe Tesla could, but SpaceX would simply rest on their laurels and make Falcon 9's forever and wouldn't push to innovate.

>>11987878
He probably has specifically avoided bringing up his own new wealth specifically since he defrauded it from his campaign donors by selling out to his opponent weeks before announcing his withdraw. He conveniently didn't tell his supporters this, and happily collected money they donated to him under the assumption he was still interested in representing their interest.

>>11987878

Is he sapping your bodily fluids too?

>>11987912
You leave our vital bodily essences out of this you fuckin pinko.

>>11987073
I would say but I cant.

Refugee state on Mars when?

Black ethnostate on Mars when?

>>11987805
need to mine some unobtonium for that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zuVTJNALwQ

>>11987959
Luckily the cost barrier means sending refugees off Earth won't be worth it, and that any black ethnostate would actually be full of wealthy and/or capable individuals.

>>11987959
When such people can get rockets on their own, either though purchase or domestic production.

>>11987982
Not only that, but sending criminals on Mars back to Earth would actually be pretty easy.

>>11988003
Why not just send criminals out of the airlock?

>>11987891
>but SpaceX would simply rest on their laurels and make Falcon 9's forever and wouldn't push to innovate.
The US military is invested in a succesfull spaceX, musk is safe for now.
At least until starship&starlink are up and running.

>>11988024
Then you would be wasting perfectly fine nutrients for your food supply on mars.

>>11987982
>>11987984
>>11988003

I mean think about it. Imagine the Soyuz vehicles being even more streamlined and cheaper than they are, cheaper than a synod's worth of welfare money. Imagine a mass emigration of blacks and refugees (cheaper than welfare) and their settlement of the red planet. The sheer hostility of Mars would either force these Martian negroes to be less antisocial or outright die. By their lives being on the line they will be forced to become a technologically and socially advanced society or literally "I can't breathe" to death on Mars.

Hullo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mIRFxYYaC0

>>11988062
That model looks better than the CGI used in most sci-fi nowadays.

musk retweeted this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJsjAmzw2c
there's no way it's real, right?

>>11988093
What's got you confused about this?

>>11988093
yeah it's real. Here it is with Venus!

>>11988099
the arc length of the moon seems too small for saturn

>>11988134
>SN6 is now hopping
20 KILOMETER HOP WHEN!

>>11988051
Maybe space colonization will allow for people of different races to work together without any of that stupid “BLACK POWER” shit

>>11988051
Why would you send refuges to Mars, the population of Mars will remain very small for a very long period of time and Mars won’t have the industrial capacity to support a large population for such a long time. If Mars is settled at all.
>>11987430
Better for the Earth to be inherited by the niggers than the chinks.

>>11988160
>Blacks outpace Chinese in population growth

God I hope China eventually gets BLACKED out of existence. Not even a cuck I just find it would be hilarious

Reminder netorare and nuclear thermal rocket share an acronym.

>>11988042
Based, recycler>airlock

I hate it that seeing a tin can fly 150m is my only good news in this world right now.

>>11988134
>many hops per day
Elon stop, I can only get so erect.

>>11988187
Spacex is pretty much the only thing keeping me going at this point, everything else is just absolutely FUBAR and it's all downhill from here.

>>11988200
Imagine pinning your hopes on a profiteer who would never give a shit about you.

Where the Posadists at?

>>11987333
I do think they could work, but not in big ass swarms. It would be a big ass machine with cubesat eyes watching for outside activity. People would definitely coordinate the building via remote commands to the big machine.
>>11987487
Broly.

>>11988200
Anon, relax, we are at weimar levels of degeneracy, we havent seen anything yet.
This is all just the prologue, we are still far off from the climax.
And you and i will probably not be there to see it.

>>11988155
>20 KILOMETER HOP WHEN!
SN8 or later

>>11988192
I think he's talking about long-term rapid reuse and designing the vehicle now for that possibility. Not necessarily that there will be many hops daily, that would be wasteful.

>>11988205
>People unironically support communism in the current year

98% chance you’re a middle class dude who has never suffered or worked blue collar in your entire life.

>>11987752
>thermal tiles have a bad rap.
Yeah, they produce much better rock and roll.

>>11988155
>20 KILOMETER HOP WHEN!

>>11987652
Because it doesn‘t work on earth and governments were intend on keeping us down here for the past 50 years?

>>11987620
It’s different for blacks because they get way more gibs than the browns

>>11988227
There is a heavy metal joke here but i'm not smart enough to see it.

hafnium diboride thermal tiles when bros?

>>11988205
Ideally, the nuclear chain of command.

>>11988216
Mars will definitely be Apartheid.

>>11988234
>>11988216
>>11988205
>>11988178(at least I remember this guy)
>>11988165
>>11988160
>>11988051
What the fuck is going on with this thread. Did the hop and DM-2 landing bring a fuckton of refugees here? I can understand some occasional memes and shit but come on. Like Posadists? What. At least pretend to mention space, we had a fucking discussion about birth rates for god's sake.

People say space is inherently political, and then go on to complain about black people. Wanna talk about space related politics? Talk about the NSSL awards, or how to make sure everyone gets a part of the Lunar south pole, or the best landing spot on Mars for a colony.

But I beg you. Shut the fuck up about stuff that belongs on other boards, if I wanted to watch people complain I'd go to /pol/. Only whitepills allowed in this thread.

>>11988165
korea will crash even harder

>>11988160
>>11988165
but the chinks are in for a reckoning as well

>>11988298
Talking about the ethnic makeup of a Mars colony is entirely valid, stop fucking seething you mass replying dickhead.

zirconium diboride when?

>>11988298
we were talking demographics and the future of human spaceflight before your faggot hop

bro whats wrong with malenchenkos eyes

So how many anti capitalist marxists are going to be on the #dearmoon project...

>The return flight of Soyuz TMA-11 was the first time two women flew together on board a Soyuz and it was the first time women outnumbered men aboard a spacecraft since Valentina Tereshkova's solo flight in 1963. "This isn't discrimination," Perminov stated when challenged on the point. "I'm just saying that when a majority [of the crew] is female, sometimes certain kinds of unsanctioned behaviour or something else occurs." Perminov said he would try to ensure that the number of women would not exceed the number of men in the future.[18]

>>11988345
B- but NASA keeps telling me the future is female!!!!!!!!!!!

>>11988334
>Virginia! Hanging out with little boys in spandex I see!

>>11988298
I'm shitposting on /sci/ for almost a decade now i think, and i have seen a shitload of /sfg/ threads.
This is pretty fucking tame, we had entire threads deleted because of /pol/ tier discussions even before first falcon9 heavy launch that brought in a shitload of new people.
And you can seeth all you want but politics are a part of humanities space exploration.
And race is too.

me on the right

>>11988353
I would love to see what the CHADS of /a/ do in space.

>yet another thread derailed by retarded newfags

>>11988335
Maybe I'm just projecting here because I'm jealous and want to go, but I bet everyone on that flight will be art/english majors who can't even name the order of planets. In fact they will all be female with twitter accounts where they shit talk "billionaire Musk man is bad bc bernie said so" without realizing he runs SpaceX. Also Yusaka will be trying to hit on all of them the whole time to no avail

>>11988222
>NEET who jerks off to loli porn from his mom's basement pretending to be le stoic working man standing proudly against legeneracy

>>11988359
Does he have a star trek communicator on his phone holster? Fucking texans, man

How could you make it work?

>>11988379
Well first you have to dissolve the Soviet Union...

>>11988379
by choosing the UR700 instead of that piece of shit

>>11988387
go back to facebook boomerfag

>>11988335
A lot, but I’m sure they’re gonna forget that capitalism gave us SpaceX and Elon.

>>11988375
I’m not a NEET. I am however a degenerate. I have three kids with three different women because I’m retarded. The youngest kid I had when I was 15.

>>11987525
I'm sure some anon claiming expertise said it could never work citing the shock on the arm and the vehicle on release plus the atmospheric heating, plus the really crumby payload to LEO that meant overall it's just pointless compared to a reusable system. Which is a shame because I love the idea of it and space cannons

>>11988379
Make the tanks cylindrical and use fewer, larger engines.

>>11988375
ummm I live in my moms back room not the basement thank you very much

>>11988379
use actual fucking valves instead of pyrotechnics so you can actually test the engines before launch

>>11988379
Really just make it so you could static fire the engines and eventually the whole stages instead of just hoping it’ll work.

>>11988391
Oh no! You got me with a meme buzzword!!!
I was being serious. Part of why it failed is because of the communist system wherein important people were fired and replaced with others who were owed a favor. Fucking idiot.

>>11988394
>The youngest kid I had when I was 15
...why my good sir, why

>During development, Glushko studied the use of pentaborane "zip" propellants in a modified RD-270M engine. This would have created immense toxicity problems but increased the specific impulse of the engine by 42 seconds (0.41 km/s).[4]

>>11988391
>There are people on /SFG/ that shit on the capitalist system which gave us SpaceX

>>11988357
But anon, I thought race is just a social construct?

>>11988422
Correct. However, you can guarantee blue-eyed faggots will NOT be allowed on Mars.

>>11988407
>>11988417
>hurrr someone posted a soviet rocket??? the perfect opportunity to screech about EBIL GOMMUNISM
Nobody cares about your moral grandstanding retards, you're not the brave crusaders you think you are.

>>11988379
More design time. Was rushed as fuck and Korolev died before he could work his magic. With unified purpose and as much time as the Saturn it might have worked. But lots of issue with computers and engines mean a different design was probably a better idea.

>>11988422
yes, all races are equal, except caucasians, they are evil.

>>11988426
BASED

>>11987860
>>11987833
Steelwool and a 9v combinded with wire and smokeless powder?

>>11988435
yeah bro that totally happened

>>11988431
I am not trying to give a political argument. Someone asked how to make the rocket work. In my humble opinion, the best way to start would be to make sure your fucking MAIN SCIENTIST isn’t kicked out of the program due to the way the government is run. Get off your high horse you crambone nigger

Reminder. We could have had something superior to Starship in the 60s.

What went wrong with Angara? It looked like a cool rocket.

>Angara 1.2 handles small payloads to LEO/SSO
>Angara A5 handles the GTO market
>Angara A5V adds a new second stage and allows Soyuz to go to the moon and back

>>11988444
never heard of ww2?

take the HYPERGOLICS pill

>>11988450
>Expendable rocket
>Superior

Nope. Starship is great because it gives the average man the chance to go to space, even Mars and the Moon.

>>11988456
not being ready in the 90s when it was relevant

>>11988450
Like there’s no way sea dragon could have worked. I’m no expert but that engine looks janky as fuck. But god damn you could get so much shit to space... I imagine it would only take one or two launches to get the entire ISS into orbit lmao

>>11988450
Reminder that the seadragon engine bell would be imposible to build even by todays engineering standards and metallurgy knowledge.
That thing would rip itself apart on ignition.

>>11988456
Post Soviet Russian aerospace sucks at anything but making more of their old designs.

>>11988450
Sea Dragon wouldn't work due to combustion instability in engines that big.