/sci/ - Science & Math

would he be proud of where we are today bros.....despite being disgusted by the longer than expected gap

4ASS patches. Who's up for it?

>>11980257
He'd probably think that the Shuttle was impressive AF even if it was a little bit impractical, and he'd probably want to shake Glushko's hand over Energia and Buran, but he'd probably be disappointed at the state of spaceflight after 1990 or so.

>>11980280
There's an alternate universe where the USSR never fell, and after the loss of Challenger and the launch of Buran, the US gave in to pressure to rework the shuttle, and Endeavour was the first Shuttle 2.0 (kerolox boosters, escape capsule) with three more being built before 1997 or so. Meanwhile, the 90s was the USSR building Mir 2 with Buran while working on the flyback booster variant of Energia, while the US was building Space Station Freedom with the two fleets of shuttles. The ESA goes ahead with Hermes, with JASDA joining in on the project as well, and Hermes first flies on the Ariane 5 in 1998 while the Japanese Hermes flies on the H-III in 1999, with the ESA and JASDA collaborating on their own modest space station built from 3-4 Freedom-style modules. In 1998, just in time for the 80th anniversary of the October Revolution, the Russians return to the moon with a large constellation of vehicles assembled by Buran/Energia including a large TKS-based lander and a surface habitat module based on a Mir core block, and proceed to stay there for 3 months as the beginnings of a permanent facility there. The US follows suit, and lands on the moon in 2004 with a similar settlement, while setting a Kennedy-style deadline to place a man on Mars by 2020.

>>11980257
He would gas oldspace boomers

>>11980294
>Aryan Doug flashing the white power symbol

Basado y redpillo

>>11980294
Uhm, excuse me? Is that a white power symbol I'm seeing?

>>11980301
what do you think they were doing in their spare time

>>11980300
Did he mean exoplanets? Absolute madman.

>>11980300
Manned missions to the outer planets would have been possible with his nuclear rocket designs. They were basically Skylab-sized habitation modules with NERVAs attached to them.

>>11980304
Nah, he meant IRL Discovery One (but minus HAL and the monoliths, probably)

>>11980304
i'm guessing Jovian moons, Titan etc

stupid but genuine question
why don't we attach a small rocket to a big ass hydrogen ballon and use it to launch satellite

>>11980303
God what I'd give to see the ISS flag show up in a nigger hate thread. Truly the rarest of rare flags.

does anyone here even work at a space agency?

>>11980311
They've thought of this before, and all it does is eliminate the lower atmosphere while doing nothing to lower the amount of Delta-V that it takes to get to orbit. Also, balloons suck when it comes to lifting power, so you're stuck with Rocket Lab/Astra style toy rockets and toy payloads, and that's if you use the largest hydrogen balloon ever created.

>>11980305
Imagine a 2020 von Braun/Elon collab nuclear Starship

>>11980311
Its less about altitude and more about velocity.

>>11980316
Do you think anyone could openly admit that in todays politically correct climate?

Why did nobody ever try to replicate the Energia? The Russians had a plan to make it fully reusable didn't they? Is there something I'm missing? It seems like SpaceX is only now achieving what the Russians could have accomplished by 1995 if they hadn't decided to leave it in a shed to rot away instead. All the pieces were there by the looks of it, it feels like the project was abandoned right as it was about to achieve what everyone has wanted for 40 years.

>>11980316
We have/had at least one spacex welder here.
Sadly some crossboarding redditor instantly showboated with this insider info on NSF and said where it came from and it turned into a manhunt immediately.

>>11980334
SLS and Long March 8 are closest you'll get.

>>11980334
Because the Russians were flat fucking broke due to corruption after the fall and thanks to the same corruption they decided to let everything rot and just take the money they were rolling in from the US for Soyuz launches and just embezzle it instead.

>>11980334
TLDR Russians decided yachts, resorts and sport teams in Europe and US are better investment than space.

>>11980334

>>11980343
Our only saving grace as a country is the fact that two of our oligarchs are autistically obsessed with spaceflight.

>>11980347
Please no, I tear up every time i see this.

>>11980340
Yeah But I don't get why the US didn't buy it up like they bought up all those russian rocket engines. Were the russians refusing to sell or was it just that nobody thought it was any good? Or maybe it was too expensive even for the US?

>>11980366
It's one thing to sell some engines, but an entire launcher system? Not happening. Do you think Russia would sell something so old as the Soyuz? That'd just weaken their cash cow.

>>11980366
They had space shuttle an no need for heavier launchers.

>>11980369
They do? ESA launches Baseduzes for long time.

>>11980376
Yeah, but they send off a crew to oversee the launch etc as well. So in reality you're just kind of renting it. You haven't bought the rights to the launch system, you can't produce it yourself.
They make a Soyuz for you in Russia, send it with crew to Equatorial Guinea or whatever and strap your payload to it and launch it. They don't give you blueprints and let you build your own.

>>11980347
What happened here?

>>11980410
The front fell off

>>11980300
I feel bad that our species let this Chad down
Here's to you, rocket man

>>11980414
Sounds expensive

>>11980410
Hangar feel on only full assembled buran.

I am a leftie and I support spaceflight.

>>11980421
Yeah but the second one is still 99% complete and it kills me that it isn't restored and on display in a museum.

>>11980436
I'm a racist alt-centrist and I also support spaceflight

>>11980300
Nazis BTFO again.

>>11980257
Imagine his face watching Superheavy stick it's landing (when it gets to that).

>>11980320
I bet we'll see nuclear starship designs once the 18 meter version is flying.

RIP Werner Von Braun

>>11980316
4ASS

>>11980498
Von Braun gave birth to Elon who will take us to Mars

>>11980316
I've interned at NASA for a summer.

It's von Braun you absolute plebs, not Von.

expand fairing
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/assets/Uploads/Rocket-Lab-Launch-Payload-Users-Guide-6.5.pdf

Who will fly to Moon? Bobndoug and other commercial crew/Soyuz veterans?

>>11980543
VON
O
N

>>11980548
bobndoug should fly every milestone mission from now on

>>11980552
>The year is 3000
>SpaceX's Eagle reusable fusion rocket slows down for Alpha Centauri
>a Dragon 21 Deluxe lands on one of the two Earth-like planets there
>two old men step out of the large capsule
>their cybernetics have greatly extended their lives
>albeit the miraculous machinery was clearly straining
>they plant the flag and congratulate the men, women, and the AI of SpaceX who brought them there
>they explore the other planet too before finally passing
>the twin planets were named Bob and Doug in honor of these two explorers

>>11980570
>It is the year 12031203012301023012030123
>SpaceX is using a black hole powered absolute zero borg superconducterbullshit to live to be a billion quadtrillion

Imagine the future is just an elon musk thread, posted everyday, forever.

>>11980552
it'd be neat if they were the test pilots for starship as well

What should we do for our first moon mission?
>Automated lunar listening post and a return trip for a frog
Or
>Automated bunker building for a Moonman AI to be a disc jockey transmitting to Earth

>>11980584
If "we" were to do anything, I'd suggest designing a low cost commercial habitat which can be scaled to a broad range of sizes. It's something the industry currently lacks, considering the dire economic situation of Bigelow and the sluggish progress of Sierra Nevada Corp.

>>11980584
>Automated lunar listening post and a return trip for a frog
This. We can even call him Pepe Armstrong.

>>11980576
>In the year 2525
>If bobndoug are still alive

>>11980601
best post in the whole catalog.

>>11980628
Everybody talks about Von Brawn cause he worked with NASA but there were russian physicists who basically invented the field of rocketry before you were flyin em, it was all just theory son. AND WE LIKED IT.

>>11980481
>2020 and we don't even have moon capable rockets, haha suck on that nazi scum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Tsiolkovsky

>>11980638
of course, even Goddard had lots of test rockets. This madlad made it all real though

>>11980628

>>11980443
im gay and support spaceflight

>>11980601
IF SLS CAN SURVIVE, THEY MAY FIIIIIIIND

>>11980638
Remember that time the Russians tried to fire 30 rockets at the same time and accidentally nuked their space centre?

>>11980667
>in the year 7510
>if JWST's comin, it oughta be by then

>>11980334
>Why did nobody ever try to replicate the Energia?
What is SLS but a slightly altered Energia, using solids instead of liquid boosters and stacking payloads on top?

>be you
>contracted space trader
>you have to deliver one megagram of protein power to Gainz Station 13
>you see the station
>it must be spinning at least 10RPM
>you barely bring your ship into the docking area
>it's covered in images of various greats in spaceflight with their heads photoshopped onto bodies of very fit men
>you dock
>hear very heavy walking on the other side of the door
>muffled Pillar Men theme starts playing
How would you react to this?

>>11980695
Remain still, their vision is based on movement.

>>11980687
Yeah but SLS can't launch a space shuttle and it should have had RS-68s to be more like Energia.

How is orbial refueling going to be tested safely? One fuck up (especially with starship) will fling metal shards all over LEO.

>>11980716
Do it really low so the potential debris deorbits quickly? Or really high so it spreads out wide.

>>11980716
inert liquid in a lower than usual orbit

>>11980687
>using solids instead of liquid boosters
I mean that was one of the main advantages Energia had over STS (And all the hypothetical STS derived systems we never got) wasn't it? And the only thing that would have allowed the boosters to be recoverable had they chosen to go down that path.
Someone's really got to tell these people to stop using solid fuel rockets.

>>11980738
Will never happen because they want to preserve the capability to produce solids for nukes.

>>11980716
Refuel orbit should be 150-200km so any dead crew enter the atmosphere swiftly

>>11980716
Do it near chinese satelites so they can block some of the debris.

>>11980744
>tfw no-one will build a metal gear-like system.

>>11980744
We wouldn't have to do that if we replaced our missiles more than every 50+ years. Why is it that we're still fielding 1980s era Tridents and 1970s era Minuteman IIIs when the dirt-poor Russians seem to upgrade their missile families every 10-20 years?

>>11980757
Well, you don't have a lot of companies paying taxes to you anymore and a lot of useless eaters.

>>11980294
>Doug was the redpilled one all along

>>11980757
Solid rocket ICBMs are great, you can make them, and let them sit for decades, the avionics are good enough to launch 10 nukes into Russian cities, and have been since the 80s, and the fuel usually never goes bad

>>11980640
And it took a white immigrant from former apartheid country South Africa to get re-usability working cheaply..

>>11980338
bruh, someone really outed welderanon on NSF? do you have a link to the thread?

>>11980808
Is this your first encounter with the cancer that is cancel culture?
You'll can and will be cancelled for anything deemed immoral by the mob

>>11980645
What would von braun think about a guy like musk?

>>11980830
my descendant ;)

IT'S HAPENNING
SPACEX BTFO

https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1291402652522356741

IT RISES

>>11980843
>Test main propulsion system
So what did they do? Run water through the plumbing?

>>11980843
>They still haven’t fired the stage yet

AHHHHHH
H
H
H
H

Seriously though that shits been sitting there for half a year. Hurry up. It’s cool that SLS is moving to completion but it’s so goddamn slow.

>>11980830
He probably would like his ambition and his drive.

>>11980849
It's gonna get delayed to 2022.

>>11980338
>NSF
National Sanitation Foundation?

>>11980855
NASASpaceflight.

>>11980855
National Secessionist Forces

take an 18 meter starship, attach a center module without a nosecone as a fuel tank, attach another module without a nosecone as a rear module that has a nuclear engine
Use a 3 stage Big starship to travel around the solar system

>>11980843
have they had the intern take a quick look at the orings?

>>11980843
imagine how embarrassing it would be if SS launched before SLS after all of those years

>>11980843
good, the engines plumbing works, now we just wait another 4 months to a year for them to test fire the engines, and another 2 years for them to launch an SLS

>>11980852
Goddamn is Starship fillies before SLS it’ll be over for Boeing.

Can someone tell me if this is a realistic timeline for Starship development?

>August 2020, 150 Meter hop (Done)
>September 2020, SN8 pressure tests
>October 2020, SN8 20 km hop
>December 2020, Superheavy 1 pressure test?
>(Assuming it fails) January 2021, Superheavy 2 pressure test
>February 2021, Superheavy 2 Static fire
>March 2021, Superheavy 2 150 meter hop.
>April 2021, Superheavy 3 pressure tests
>May 2021, Superheavy 3 begins “Low altitude tests”. It blows up eventually
>June 2021, Superheavy 4 is completed
>July 2021, Superheavy 4 pressure tests and static fires
>August 2021, Superheavy 4 completes a “3 Kilometer flight” before landing.
>September 2021, Starship-X is completed and pressure tests begin
>October 2021, Starship-X static fires and completes a short hop.
>November 2021, Starship-X is stacked onto Superheavy-4z
>December 2021, Starship-X/SH4 lift off.
>Maybe the launch fails maybe it succeeds but either way December 2021 sees the first launch of Starship in an orbital attempt.

Unknown though is when stuff like the 100 kilometer or the “high trajectory” hop will take place, and if it’ll be concurrent with Superheavy development.

>>11980874
Whoa there. They have to wait 4 months for the accumulated rain water to finish draining through the plumbing and dry up, then they get to test the thrust vectoring system.
Then maybe 6 months simulator time before they can simulate a countdown properly.

>>11980880
There's a possibility SN5 will do few more hops once more this month.

>>11980884
Not a possibility. Musky said they would do a few more short hops with it to smooth out the launch and landing process.

>>11980886
those hops might happen with SN6. Although I think instead they're just doing short hops with SN8 without the aero surfaces/cone, but 20km will have those installed

>>11980884
>>11980886
>SN5 hops again
>Accidentally tips over
>SpaceX doomers flood /sfg/

The best thing about SN5’s hop was that it was successful. I know even a failed hop would be less of a bittersweet thing because of that, but still.

>>11980338
>and said where it came from and it turned into a manhunt immediately.
why?

>>11980898
Guilt by association has been the name of the game for the better part of a decade now and 4chan = le ebil nahtzees

>>11980891
>20 kilometer hop is the new “6 months away”

JUST
U
S
T

I hope they get a move on this though seriously. Use SN5 for the “short hops” maybe and SN8 only for the 20 km one?

>>11980886
>>11980891
Possibility is about SN5 re-hopping. Not hopping itself. Hopping might also be SN6/8. I want to see them retest with SN5 for smoother launch operations, if SN5 is refurbish-able.

>move SN5 onto launch pad
>repair possible damaged legs (leaning)
>repair possible damaged connectors
>refuel
>hop once/twice more

>>11980891
SN6 is supposedly kill. Only a backup to SN5 if it RUDs

>>11980902
so the NSF forums are all leftists? Nobody there said "Hey maybe we shouldn't try and cancel somebody"

Alright so I was looking at SpaceX’s “Grasshopper” and “Falcon9RDev1” and it seems like there’s a sort of “Hail Mary altitude” which is the limit of the Grasshopper-style tests.

Grasshopper flew to...
>2 Meters
>5 meters
>40 meters
>80 meters
>250 meters
>325 meters
>250 meters with a divert
>744 meters

Before retirement. Falcon9RDev1 flew higher going ...

>250 meters
>1 kilometer with a divert
>1 kilometer again with griffins
>To an undisclosed altitude
>To an undisclosed altitude again, before blowing up

So it seems like after the 1 kilometer flights SpaceX finally decided that their landing profile was “good enough”, and then they started landing first stages after missions.

Right now it appears that Starship is at the Grasshopper “250 meter hop with a divert” stage.

>>11980923
I don't know, I don't go anywhere where there's a paid membership section.

>>11980843
What year is it? 2014?

Anyone have any good recommendations for books on civilian rocket construction? I remember there being an old one considered the holy grail on the subject but i cant remember the name.

>>11980933
http://risacher.org/rocket/
is it this?

>>11980843
I don't even mind too much that NASA takes a millennia to get anything done. It's this constant hyping up of the most minor things that really gets on my nerves

this is the thumbnail pic that some virgin galactic intern picked for the latest video
>lol

>>11980933
Modern Engineering for Design of Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engines (Huzel, Huang)

Rocket Propulsion Elements (Sutton, Biblarz)

>>11980941
shitposting intensifies

>>11980941
A view the Galactic Virgin will never provide.

>>11980941
>80km suborbital hops
>in space

>>11980939
It might be, looks similar but i remember it being written by a single guy and more geared towards amatuer rocketry.
>>11980943
Not these at all, it had very little graphics on the cover and didn't have the appearance of a modern textbook at all.
Thanks regardless, I'll be checking all 3 books out.

>>11980928
do you have a link to the thread where they did the manhunt?

>>11980975
Like I said, I don't go there.
Somebody else might provide.

>>11980844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZq7xzCKd0

>>11980941
What will Virgin do once Starship flies up to 100 kilometers and lands again? Their business model is ruined.

Raptor costs $2 Million apiece. 120 tons of Stainless steel is $3/kg (according to Elon), making the body cost $0.36 million.

At 120 tons dry (And with 10 tons of payload), it takes Starship 200 tons of fuel to reach a 100 km hop and land again (2.3 km/s +0.7 km/s for margin). A 330 ton Starship only needs three Raptor engines, and then don’t even need vacuum nozzles.

So the total cost of the Suborbital Starship is likely to be around $7 Million. A crew cabin would be expensive, lats say it costs $100 million.

$107 Million for the entire vehicle. If it flies 25 times, that cost goes down to $4.3 Million. Assuming there’s 100 passengers onboard, the cost of a ticket is $43,000. This is 6X cheaper than what Virgin is charging.

>>11980313
That'd probably be US geoip since the downlink hits the Internet via NASA.

>>11980280
>He'd probably think that the Shuttle was impressive AF
"So you're saying it only blew up twice, and both times it killed a jew?"

>>11980981
>Their business model is ruined.
It was already ruined after the first accident.

>>11980992
I thought it was ruined when they retired SpaceShipOne? They already had a suborbital tourist vehicle but decided to just can it for some reason.

>>11980661
I'm a furry porn artist and I support spaceflight

It's literally just a grey shuttle.

>>11980998
That's Black Ice.

>>11980998
Now with 100% less orange tank

>>11980998
>doesn't use shit rocket boosters or the hydrologs meme

>>11980998
>lands propulsively

>>11980993
SpaceShipOne was a rush job for the Ansari X prize, SpaceShipTwo was supposed to be an improved variant.

>>11980795
>implying elon does anything at spacex

>>11980294

>>11980298
Sounds kinda like Eyes Turned Skyward, but with more shuttle and less Apollo Applications Program.

>>11980316
I’ve fucked someone that does. Does that count?

>>11981017
>getting brutally lifemogged by a woman
do you like pegging

>>11981014
Eyes Turned Skywarss is Kino but it really started feeling unrealistic towards the end. Not because of the tech but because I just can’t see NASA pursuing Falcon 9-style vehicles.

>>11981017
No, Grimes.

Could we not have just done Artemis by assembling the modules in orbit via shuttle? What was the point of wasting a decade on the SLS?

>imply that your meme suborbital space plane is the historical succeeding milestone to Apollo, while also being less capable than the shuttle that is completely absent
>decide that's not enough, and decide to call your suborbital craft the enterprise
>it explodes

>>11980366
>why the US didn't buy it up like they bought up all those russian rocket engines
The primary reason for buying the Russian engines was to keep Roscosmos solvent and avoid having a bunch of unemployed Soviet AEs start seeking work building missiles for rogue states.

>>11981019
>woman
Anon, I...

>>11980316
I toured SpaceX back in December 2016

>>11981021
pls can we get grimes on sfg

>>11981017
>when he starts calling your ass "Mir" as he slips on a Progress styled condom

>>11981024
>decide to call your suborbital craft the enterprise
>>it explodes

Idk bro seems like they’re doing it right

>>11981024
>explodes because pilot pulled the self destruct lever
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>11981024
That thing had chance to evolve into shuttle launched by Stratolaunch.

>>11980685
lmao

>>11981033
>>11981034
What did Michael Alsbury mean by this?

>>11981026
Yet Altas V performs better than Falcon 9 with zero incidents.

>>11981019
If anything, knowing that someone with that many deeply-ingrained flaws could work at NASA gave me hope for my own future career in AE.

>>11981047
>a launch vehicle that is older than the dads of most posters here is more reliable than a rocket that isn't even old enough to post here
No shit, Shelby.

>>11981053
lol. theres hope for us all

>>11980949
Needs to be the ass 2 ass guys face

>>11980246
>>11980257
>>11980300
>>11980436
>>11980443
>>11980661
>>11980994
>>11980830
r8 my b8

>>11981079
saved

>>11981079
based on every level

>>11980998
>no aggressive SRB's
>no fragile orange piece of shit to explode/be dumped in the ocean

>>11981079
>why don’t rockets use propane
I’m pretty sure Embry Riddle’s student liquid rocket engine used propane as a fuel. I’m certain other university-level projects have done similar over the years.

>>11981079
I heard Valentina puked all over capsule and then Korolev said "no more hoes in space".

>>11981079
It's good

>>11981079
>tfw media and culture is trending towards the bottom left
Hopefully we end up on mars before the window of publicly supported space flight closes in a few years

>>11981110
>media and culture is trending towards the bottom left
It's not. Lefties are only relevant online, not a single person cares about or supports them in real life. Make sure to remind them of this instead of wasting time arguing with those irrelevant failures.

What are some skills that an aerospace engineer should have when graduating with their degree?

>>11981110
You have two billionaires on your side.

>>11981079
Very nice. The propane poster in the middle really is the cherry on top

>>11981110
Imagine how fucked we'd be without Elon. The right wing boomer senators would fund NASA to put jobs in their district and give Boeing money after their lobbyists make some campaign contributions. The left will ban spaceflight for being racist, causing pollution, being a waste of money, etc. and would redirect NASA to do climate science, make women in stem videos, and Muslim outreach.

>>11981118
>always wanted to do it
>suck at math
tfw

Reminder Bob's wife is astronaut. And she will fly on Dragon too.

>>11981118
M A T H
A
T
H

>>11981118
>working well with others
>being able to communicate ideas concisely and clearly, even to those that lack background information about the topic
>having a good understanding of the business side of engineering (profit margins, sales, manufacturing management)
>knowing how to make your managers like you
Obviously having technical competence is a must, but you’re gonna get that from any accredited AE undergrad program. Anything that you can lean into that sets you apart from the twitchy autists that make up most of this field will be incredibly valuable.

>>11981126
She will fly on the *same* Dragon, reused from DM2

>>11981123
I’m shit at math (compared to most people I know in engineering at least), and I’m doing it. It’s worth a try.

>>11981126
>>11981134
Same Dragon, same seat.

>>11981138
me being shit at math is why i gave up working as any sort of engineer

>>11981133
Thanks anon. Are you an engineer yourself?

>>11981122
It’s good that Elon is popular with “normal Americans” and not blue check marks on Twitter like Bezos.

My parents are boomers but they love SpaceX and Elon. I think he’s become PopSci enough to survive a lot

>>11981115
>Lefties are only relevant online
Every journalist falls into that bias, corporations and politicians will bend the knee to them, out of fear of being accosted by a few thousand people

>>11981144
>>11981138
>>11981123
What do you guys call "being shit at math"?

>>11981156
not ever understanding any math past algebra I

>>11981156
They learned common core in school.

>>11981159
I got an A in calculus I but barely passed calc II. Where does that put me

>>11981156
pretty much this >>11981159. i was thrown out of school at 16, and didn't really turn up for years before that, so i only have myself to blame.

>>11981164
smarter then me
>>11981165
i tried actually understanding/learning past algebra I but I just couldn't do it

>>11981143
Are there any husband & wife that have flown on the same Shuttle?

>>11981145
Sorta. I’m still working on my BS in aero, but I grew up working with MEs as a CAD monkey for my dad’s company in the summers. It’s definitely eye-opening to see the hiring process from the other end.

>>11981173
One couple got secretly married right before a shuttle flight so NASA couldn’t reassign them. They totally banged in space.

>moooom the trannies are taking away my space toys

>>11981170
I’ve heard later mathematics classes really require you to “do it yourself,” but in my opinion Algebra I is the make-or-break class. I had the fortune of taking Algebra in middle school and I had a really really really good teacher who taught me to think in an abstract way. It made everything “click” and helped when I had to take harder math classes for college. Calculus was a breeze although fuck Calc II that class straight up made me cry.

>>11981170
i've tried (halfassed) to learn as a 30 yo boomer but too dumb/tired/riddled with alcoholism to do it. luckily computers exist for the fag packet calculations i'm interested in, but that won't cut it for a degree.

What could have been done to make it succeed?
>inb4 cancel it

>>11981156
I’ve been able to get through all my calc classes with a C or B, while 4 pointing just about everything else so far.

>>11981183
Have a purpose. Shuttle had no purpose.

>>11981183
cancel it and iterate on saturn

>>11981110
No it isn't retard
>>11981115
your are also retarded

>>11981159
>>11981161
>>11981164
>>11981165
>>11981170
I'm just asking because most of the time "being shit at math" is just not having the necessary base knowledge, or not studying hard enough.
I thought I was shit at math but managed to pull through after a while. Eventually I realized that I just had shitty STEM education (and not enough discipline) going into uni.

>>11981146
>Elon is popular with “normal Americans”
>he thinks redditors are "normal Americans"
The average normie doesn't think about space flight beyond "the shuttle was cool why don't we do that anymore" and boomers who remember the Moon landings.

>>11981195
Bro Reddit hates Elon and SpaceX now. And a lot of normies know about SpaceX

>>11981195
space is like politics, most people don't think about it at all.

Gagarin was king of manlets.

>>11981183
>Ditch the orange tank and boosters, replace it with a larger tank-only space plane fueled by kerolox and powered by F-1As
>Drop the RS-25s on the orbiter, replace with J-2s
>Replace fragile ceramic tiles with strong metallic ones
>Change any other parts for the purpose of making refurbishment easier
>Take any questionable management out back behind the VAB and shoot them

>inb4 but a whole development of another space plane will be expensive
Then enjoy your terrible launch system. Otherwise, take the Shuttle, replace tanks and cargobay with one big tank, replace RS-25 with F-1. There, you got yourself a Booster Shuttle.

>>11981205
Short people do better in planes, I assume it's the same in space.

>>11981193
I guess you and I are in the same boat. I could probably still do integrations and stuff if I had a gun to my head, but my math knowledge is basic at best (i.e. I only had to take up to calculus II for my geology degree). Although I like to make fun of astronomy, I will say that every astronomer I have met is really really “good” at math, in that they had to take advanced classes and they passed them with A’s or B’s and still remember everything from those classes

>>11981175
Great for you anon. I’m kinda mechanically retarded as of now(gonna be a freshman), should that be an issue and one I can fix?

>>11981199
>reddit
How about you stay there and don't let Twitter and the internet warp your perception of reality

>>11981214
>my geology degree
off topic but what kinda job do you do with that? seems useless at first glance to me, but apparently you can do some o&g and geotech shit. high school science teacher?

>>11981199
lmao no, and regardless, Elon is still a reddit-tier person with reddit-tier fans. you can like spacex without being a cringetard.

>>11981206
Or you could just take the external tank from the shuttle and put six SSME’s in the bottom, but make them simplified so that they’re expendable.

After that put an Apollo capsule on top. Bam, instant SSTO and it’s (relatively) cheap.

Shuttle ET Cost: $75 Million ($100 Million with plumbing)
RS-25 Cost: $60 Million (Cut down to $40 Million with expendable upgrades)
Interstage: $30 Million? No idea.

Total vehicle cost: $370 Million. At least it’s cheaper than the shuttle right? Also you can utilize the extra backwards-seats on the Apollo CSM to carry five people, not four.

>>11981213
Short people are at least cheaper to send up.

>>11981206
>don't speak to me or my son ever again

>>11981223
Brah the dude I replied to was talking about Reddit first piss off.

>>11981226
The only autistic SpaceX fans are the ones that jerk off to pics of Elon. And maybe Tim Dodd but that fucker has gained a lot of traction by sheer spamming alone so I can’t really hate him.

>>11981224
Oh man anything really. Most people go O&G or Mining. My dad also has a geology degree and works for NASA, and his friends are engineers with geology degrees. One of my professors proposes missions to NASA and worked on the Sojourner mission as one of the head guys. It’s kind of a jack of all trades degree. I have no idea what I’m going to do with it after I graduate this year

>>11981183
Launch it with Energia 2

>>11981229
>SSTO
Wouldn't really work, but an SLS (I think it would've been the NLS) before the SLS might have worked assuming that NASA and Congress were interested in a cheaper vehicle than the Shuttle. The problem is that the rot had fully set in by the time the Shuttle started flying and it wasn't going to disappear any time soon. Not even the Challenger incident which showed how poor the management was didn't do anything to fix the issue. In fact, many of the engineers who spotted the o-ring issue and tried to stop the launch were fired after the fact while the management who approved the launch were left alone.

>>11981234
>carrying your son your shoulders as you show him the world
Very sweet.

>>11981153
No they won't. Politicians don't give a fuck about these losers, they don't vote. Companies only need to pay lip service, because these morons won't stop consuming no matter what. Journalists are a dying breed, and don't really matter as much as you think.

>>11981189
Don't worry Bernie can still win! He just needs ONE. MORE. MONEY BOMB!!!! Who's going to match me?

>>11981205
>>11981213
Small payload.

>>11981183
Make tank our of stainless Steel, or composite
Fuck Hydrolox
Engines on the fuel tank
No SRB's
Lower power engines on orbiter that's fed by the main tank
Tank has wings, and lands itself
Composite ablative tiles that's are large hexagonal and bold on, instead of tiny glued on tiles
Use Kerolox, then upgrade vehicles to Methalox when tech is availae

Bonus points for being able to dock vehicles to the back of the orbiter, to attach booster segments for trans lunar flights

>>11981238
Best wishes with your career anon

>>11981218
It’s pretty rare for a freshman not to be completely out of their depth with that sort of thing. Work on as many hands-on projects as you can, and you’ll get a good sense for it quickly.

>>11981189
You're never gonna pass dude...

>>11981079
Elon isn't on the right at all, if anything he's in the center. He's described himself as a socialist and supports both UBI and Andrew Yang.
Libleft is mostly pro-spaceflight. The bitching about colonisation is authleft and extreme far left.

>>11981189
Scott shouldn’t you be making YouTube videos on why Artemis should be cancelled to support youth outreach?

>>11981224
Tons of geology grads worked at my old geotech company and about half of them were pretty worthless so they just made them do field observation on the geotech side of things. If they are any good they let them do explorations and pavement stuff (lol). But its always like 5 or 6 people vying for 1 or 2 positions that are already filled with people that rarely leave.

I think we gave up on the Sea Dragon idea too early.

>>11981292
I doubt he would ever hold an opinion like that.

>>11981079
Bezos should be Authright
Libright should be bitching that space isn't real

>>11981292

>>11981298
yeah
and even if he did, scott keeps his politics off of his videos

>>11981282
Yeah I might consider switching to EE and shooting for aerospace too if things don’t work out. I’ve never really done much shop shit so I may or may not like it. I thought it was worth to give it a try.

>>11981295
Yeah, doesn’t seem like your best choice for a career obviously. For what reasons were they useless? Was it just that they didn’t do extracurricular shit to help them in their career, bad attitude, or was it more?

>>11981310
Scott is great at his videos though so I can’t knock him there. It’s just funny that on Twitter he’s become your average blue checkmark

>>11981118
Adding onto this, is it a worthwhile career to aim at as part of a mid-30s return to school career change?

>>11981326
What’s the situation you got anon?

>>11981326
Or should I just continue trying to be a pilot and hope THAT industry recovers

>>11981291
>He's described himself as a socialist
Yeah, a National Socialist.

>>11981118
Adding on to aerospace careers, but is there a viable market for doing computational shit like with orbital mechanics and control systems? Or is that just scraps for pajeet nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTiM7dVp-wU
lol

>>11981328
Running screaming away from healthcare

>>11981079
This is perfect. I can have decent spaceflight discussions with normies, /pol/acks, /biz/raelis, chinks, poos, or people who used to live in the USSR, but the space haters are all alike.

>>11981339
I ain't clicking that.

>>11981333
This. It's obvious to anyone paying attention that he's a race realist that's pushing full tilt towards Mars because he sees Europe and the USA inevitably falling to to demographic trends and becoming global South Africa.

He's just very tactful about it and keeps his power level hidden.

>>11981318
To survive working as a geotech in the field you need to have some good judgement and be able to get contractors to do what you need them to do because most of them are assholes. You can't always call up the engineer for help because they are busy and/or ignore you.

>>11981339
i'm 3 minutes in and he is trying to act as a slav and doing a talking to himself bit, it's super cringe.
And it's obvious this is a clickbait title.

You thought SLS was bad? Worst Korea spent $25 billion on two small launchers and only got 1 launch out of it, wtf.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/08/356_293970.html

>>11981339
He's not wrong though, the channel with the chink girl and basedboy dude are basically the worst example of stereotypical fanboys.

>>11981291
>>11981309
It's not about their personal political orientation, just that private spaceflight is very libertarian/ ancap "the free market will fix it." We're one step closer to McNukes™

>>11981339
>41 subscribers
how did you even found this sperg?

>>11981386
The poster and the guy who made that YT vidoe is probably the same guy.

>>11981386
i looked up "SLS vs starship"

>>11981391
Too late, go advertise your clickbait channel somewhere else.

>>11981367
Nothing beats Brit space program.

>>11981318
>>11981355
I didn't really answer your question. Most of them couldn't find work anywhere else so that's why they are there. I'd say the majority are adequate, just like most new geotech hires, but my main point being that there seems to be a lot of them around. There are only so many "cool" geology jobs available, like at USGS. Mostly, I was just being a pessimistic asshole. Geotech firms would almost always prefer civil engineering grads over geology grads because they have a higher ceiling (PE) and will make them more money in the long run.

>>11981418
India, one of it's former colonies, a nation where almost half the population still defecates on the ground, has a better space program then the UK.

>>11981418
Never forget how a government will easily discard access to the stars just to save a few quid

>>11981354
I would refrain from saying it's obvious, that's encroaching on hallucination territory. However, I can see how you can view it that way. I doubt he's hiding his power level, but you never know.

>>11980923
they tried to cancel the guy who posted the rumors, because he was posting from an "anonymous source"
SpaceX legal and everything, then he's like "uh guys it was a 4chan post" and then everything went away and he was fucking banned forever for being a shithead
we never learned what happened to the 4chan poster but the Froyo jokes stopped after that

>>11981443
>uh Elon, where are you going with this?

>>11981454
The guy like this could only be made powerful in US, be proud of it.

>>11981418
Not comparable. Black Arrow was done on a shoestring, relatively. And there was nothing wrong with the concept and engineering (this was back when we still had plenty of areas where the UK was at the leading edge). The problem was our leaders, as always. They are variously disloyal, corrupt, moronic, and often all three.

>>11981367
No wonder they're so happy to buy rides from SpaceX.

>>11981369
Yeah but his defense of boing and shelby doesn't address even the layman understanding of conflict of interest and conspiracy surrounding them. "space shit is in Huntsville" isn't an argument.

>>11981429
And the UK still sends them millions in aid each year whilst having no space programme of its own. Truly, utterly pathetic

>>11981079
Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrasse Tyson belong on Libleft

>>11980716
Do it in low orbit with small testbeds using liquid nitrogen, emergency dump valves pointed retrograde so if the shit fucks up not only will the test vehicle hopefully not explode into pieces and also rapidly propel itself into a death-orbit where it and any potential debris will burn up.
Or just YOOT some starships up there and have them perform their very first refueling operation right next to the new Chinese space station. Paint "If I explode I'm taking all of you with me" on the side of both ships in English and Mandarin.

>>11981264
I want a cockpit like that big boy on the starship so bad

>>11981164
>>11981181
nobody does good at Calc II

>>11981367
How the hell does that happen?

fear me human!

>>11981079
>"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department."
Holy fucking B A S E D

>>11981516
The Korean economy is controlled by a few huge conglomerates.

>>11981517
>fear me oldspace!
FTFY

>>11981517
Why would humans fear their saviour?

>>11981517
so it's tilting, it hasn't punched through the concrete, and no visible damage on the skirt area, it was all absorbed by the legs
very nice
looking good imo

>>11981339
Lordy lordy, that's completely unwatchable. The poor lad needs taking in hand

>>11981369
Ugh yeah I really hate those two

>>11981517
How exactly its made if it has liquid propellant inside?

>>11980998
No massive delta wings or tail fin. To appease the chair force.

>>11981532
please try your question again, this time in English please

>>11981517
Humans, it's time for you to explore Mars

"based" is such an npc term

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXIDFx74aSY
Remember what could have been, Anons.

>>11981517
>Come with me if you want to live

>>11981544
based based cringe based etcetera

>>11981547
>Disney will never be like this again

>>11981326
>>11981330
Who knows what's going to happen. Not suggesting this for you, but apparently teacher training applications here in the UK are up 65% as people crap themselves and get desperate. Those public sector jobs are supposedly safer

>>11981517
>9 tiles missing, 3 shattered
Ohnonono bros we got to cocky!

>>11981553
Disney would so mad if he saw his company today.

>>11981559
looks like they all had different types of connections so probably not that big of a deal

For you feet lovers

>>11981566
Yep. Just checking what sticks and what doesn't apparently.

>>11981547
Weird accent. He almost sounds Irish

When will Elon make all the Thunderbirds vehicles?

>>11981559
Looks like tiles with three small stud welds and one large stud weld are out of the running, as well as tiles affixed with whatever those bracket fixtures are, and they probably will have to put some kind of shock absorbing layer between the tile and the actual skin of the vehicle, the flexing and extreme shaking of the Raptor engine firing probably will shatter a lot of tiles if they're just rigidly bolted straight to the hull. Carbon/Carbon is quite rigid and relatively brittle.

>>11981583
Why not use metallic tiles.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040095922.pdf

>>11981583
What really worries me is micro-fractures.

>>11980323
What?

>>11981578
When all the anti-nuclear retards are put in FEMA camps.

>>11981389
well he's right
Spaceship is in development, making progress, but it's still in "silo with an engine" stage.
its parameters are pulled up out of Elon's wet dreams and there's absolutely no guarantee it won't cost 10 times more, refurbishing won't cost a fortune, won't blow up on return or tip over and explode (with crew inside, mind you)
I would rather return in Space Shuttle than on Spaceship if its recovery rate is anything like F9's boosters, where 1 in 10 blows up on landing.
Cancelling SLS and hoping SS will turn out as hoped for half a decade later is insanity.

That doesn't change the fact SLS is overbudget and late. Saying "Saturn V was more expensive" is bullshit.
Saturn V was completely unexplored territory, was much more complex, using old technology, making it more expensive (eg. wiring analog controls vs. digital controllers)
SLS was intended as a low cost cannibalization of Shuttle and its production chain to be flown in the meantime we get better alternative. Its development should have been cheaper than Falcon 9 (theoretically, in an ideal world).
Boing is terrible company. If it wasn't making super sonic stealth fighter jets for bombing toyota trucks out in the desert, they would have gone bankrupt years ago. Even Airbus is much better, and that's a Tower of Babel of a company run from several countries.

Still, even if Starship under-performs and won't reusable at all from yet unforeseen reasons, it still should be a really cost effective rocket.

>>11980983
youre expecting that anon to not be a retarded 16 year old. just ignore it and it will go away

>>11981594
Just the description of them sounds horrifically expensive, and the diagram just confirms it. The single tile would be composed of 17 (AAAAAA) distinct components. You'll probably need something like 25-30 THOUSAND tiles to cover Starship's belly and the undersides of it's aerodynamic surfaces, which at the upper end would mean half a million distinct components just for the TPS.
FIVE
HUNDRED
THOUSAND
PARTS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11981611
>I would rather return in Space Shuttle than on Spaceship if its recovery rate is anything like F9's boosters, where 1 in 10 blows up on landing.
fuck off chink

>>11981616
Its either this or Starship gets Columbia'd.

>>11981518
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
Required viewing

>>11981566
It is a huge deal though. Starship could work perfectly but if it can't reenter or if it has tile problems then it's dead.

>>11981619
>chink

>>11981598
not a real issue the way you are imagining them

>>11981630
which is why they've tested out multiple different connectors and aren't going to use the type that failed

>>11981354
Do all /pol/fags gave brain problems?

>>11981626
I mean he's not entirely wrong, von Based obviously loved rockets enormously more than he loved the lives of Engl*shmen, but it would have been a pointless waste to reject his expertise simply because he built weapons at the start of his rocketry career. After all, the first thing the Brits themselves did when they got their hands on his rockets was say "hey, we should figure this out so we can make our own!"
So much of our technology has in some way derived from killing tools, or had it's initial genesis in humans figuring out some new clever way to wage war on one-another, I don't see the point in making a fuss about it.

>>11980304

outer planets of the solar system you dumb fuck

Von Braun probably said this before 1995 when the first exoplanet was discovered.

>>11981566
This

>>11981625
There’s alternatives. My bet is that if the tiles don’t work they’ll just make giant slabs of Pica-X ablator. That was their original plan actually.

>>11981517
Holy fuck, BASED. Re-hop WHEN?

>>11981339
What's the tl:dw?

>>11981683
We don’t know how well her systems are. They’re probably going to do another WDR and static fire, which may take a while. We also don’t know about their current plans with SN8. Maybe they’ll do the 20 km hop concurrently with SN5’s little jumps?

It would be cool to see two Starships in “active service”

>>11981367
Pretty sure the SK "space" program is just a missile program so they can win a pissing contest with NK.

>>11981687
shiny rocket isn't real yet and fanboys act as it is
canceling orange rocket right now is stupid

>>11981339
Onions fed astronaut

>>11981547
That alien moon colony
>maybe if we turn off all the lights, they'll think we're not home and leave us alone

>>11981704
>shiny rocket isn't real
>SLS is real, you can go see it down at the test stand at Stennis
remember when this pasta was about Falcon Heavy instead of Starship

>>11981704
>shiny rocket isn't real yet and fanboys act as it is
Fanboys will always act stupid. There's nothing that can be done about it. However, there is cause to be excited for the shiny rocket, because SpaceX has a good track record of developing revolutionary space flight technologies.

>canceling orange rocket right now is stupid
Fair point. It's better to keep SLS around and never have to use it, rather than end it and need it later. This won't save it from getting the criticisms it deserves though. The whole program is terrible and serves as an example of how not to develop things.

>>11981711
noooooooooooooooo

>>11981711
Let's be very honest again. We do have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. SLS may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen it down at Hawthorne. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the launch pad at Kennedy... I don't see any hardware for an SLS, except that they're going to take spare Shuttle parts and put them together and that becomes the SLS. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11981517
So this confirms the tilt is from something in the legs (crush cores?) not taking uniform force. Wonder if that's form the offset engine, or just expected behavior.

>>11981568
>claw prints where SN5 was attacked by a giant birb while obscured by smoke

>>11981698
If that's the case then they're aping the 1950s era cold war's style by going with a kerolox ICBM.

>>11981687
I watched most of it. He's mostly ripping apart this really shitty vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRH1RWNFSuo
It's just garbage youtube reply/response content, he's a literal who using another literal who to strawman a position.

>>11981443
>>11981454

Also, this gem: https://youtu.be/ovAtU4i5mDM
where he dogwhistles at 200 decibels about immigration and forced demographic replacement in Europe and the US.

>>11981727
expected behavior from the offset engine and how it set itself down

>>11981339
I really like huntsville. Give more money to everyone in that area, drop it from helicopters. That's my opinion. Fuck it.

>>11981747
Its easy to have kids when you are billionaire.

>>11981578
Watching Thunderbird 2 land for the rescue of the week is so much more exciting when you realize that it's bukkakeing the LZ with nuclear exhaust like Project Pluto.

>>11981754
Escape the IQ shredder of the modern cities and settle down in flyover country in your $150k mcmansion with some plain, chubby sweetie who wants nothing more than for you to pump her full of children and you've won the game, my friend.

>>11981578
https://youtu.be/XfzJ8UBr-c0

Elon is private industry, I don't think he can really do everything. If he really wants to compete with the US government, I wish they'd at least give him a run for his money.

Like... I doubt space will be entirely private, just because private space is making strides. And I don't think it will ever just be one nation either.

>>11981788
>Like...

>>11981660
The V1 would have been a lot worse but for the fact that all German agents in the UK had been turned, and that the Germans were only told of successes in North London, leading them to conclude they were falling short, and incorrectly adjust their targeting northwards. If only British deviousness could be applied to spaceflight

>>11981798
ayye man im smokin here fuk u mean dawg get outa here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_space_program

what happens here?

>>11981817
Dead villagers and cancer.

>>11981770
My goal-ish, 'cept I need £600k for something reasonable round here. SE UK is an absolute meat grinder

>>11981820
based

>>11981823
Move to the West Midlands and find yourself a nice blonde Hereford/Shropshire farm girl.

>>11981817
man imagine if the chinese get to the moon before the US does, hopefully that would kick our public sector's ass in gear again

>>11981847
I'm actually over the hump now tf, but my 20s and 30s were definitely made much harder due to stupid house prices. I'll be teaching my kids to gtfo of the UK when they can or to make sure they have a crystal clear life plan if they stay. Everywhere has problems but the density of population here really eats away at my soul

>>11981630
As long as the upper stage can be made cheap enough it could still be useful for some applications just as an expendable upper stage for super heavy.
But the tiles not working would suck. And tiles in general suck too.

is reuseablity of rockets better than one way rockets that will be repurposed to build the space base?

>>11981739
That's fine, their competition is using Scud derivatives and driving T-62s.

>>11981956
wet labs > reusable meme
why is everyone so retarded?

Just noticed the cracked heatshield.

>>11980695
Enter and bench 3pl8 in 3G like a fucking god
I'm natty btw

>>11981977
It's a bunch of different attachment methods, they'll try larger patches of the method used to attach the tiles that survived next

>>11981984
That makes sense. Survival of the fittest method in real world engineering.

>>11981977
That's why you test, some tiles are fine, some are cracked, some are gone

>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1291504220948951041/photo/1

>>11981977
The Washington Post: SpaceX Prototype Mars Rocket Suffers From Major Failure, Extensive Rework Is Expected

>>11981989
That is a lovely shot. I may well have a week in Texas at some point soon to check all of this out CV permitting. I need to see a hop in person

>>11981079
Wasn't butane considered an ideal fuel for SSTO designs? That's kind of similar to propane.

>>11981266
>>11981287
take your meds schizos

>>11981287
Is there a second of the day you're not thinking about trannies?

Why the fuck do people STILL fall for the solid rocket booster meme?

>>11982117
SRBs are easy to build infrastructure for, and incredibly easy to bolt onto a rocket core for moar thrust.

>>11982117
OOGA BOOGA ICBM

The mole is in the hole.
>>11982117
because Utah wants spacebux too.

>>11982128
And to think a human could have done this in one day lmao. NASA geologists have the hardest job of constantly getting blueballed

US Space Force Patch Shapes

>>11982154

>>11982117
A few reasons.
>having a mature SRB industry makes it very easy to make ICBMs
>the US has been doing booster-sustainer since the 1950s with Atlas, and SRBs make booster-sustainer stupid easy to do
>hydrolox first stages can barely lift themselves off the ground, so SRBs allow people to keep chasing that ISP autism (something like 75% of the SLS's thrust comes from SRBs, it's pathetic).

>>11982151
NOOOOO!!!!!1 YOU CANT JUST DO A MANNED MISSION QUICKLY AND MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN A ROBOT!!!! THINK OF ALL THE DANGERS OF MOVING A HUMAN OUTSIDE THE COMFORT OF THEIR HOME!!! MUH MONEY AND LOW BUDGET!!!

>>11982151
And we were able to do this at all because we had robots.
>>11982163
Robots can do it cheaper and more cost effectively than humans for now. The results we have from robots will help pave the way for humans.

>>11982169
I’m not trying to shit on robotic missions, I might have come across that way though. Robotic missions are really important.

>>11981877
They need to stay in the UK to keep it British, but they need to make like the only white people left on the BBC and "Escape to The Country".

I badly need that graphic that shows the numerical relationship between payload to LEO, TLI, Mars, etc. Pull that shit up, Jamie.

>>11982215
>Pull that shit up, Jamie.

>>11982247
Look at that thing, he could tear your arm off anon.
JE-SUS!

>>11982247
>he hasn't been paying attention to the literature

Self assembling colony
How do we make this happen?

>>11982285
You mean proonting?

>>11982289
No, proonting’s too slow and limited in architectural design

>>11981517

>>11981339
His monologue bits aren't the worst. Pauses are a bit bad, probably because he's memorizing or reading from a teleprompter. The trying to be funny part sucks though lol. If he does more manley style vids I would watch.

Some more Starship imgs

>>11982332

>>11981687
We've seen it in Michoud. SLS is REAL. Starship may someday come about. Its a̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶c̶e̶p̶t̶ o̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶r̶a̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶o̶a̶r̶d̶ a̶ ̶w̶a̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ b̶l̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶m̶u̶l̶t̶i̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ only a test vehicle.

>>11982342
what will the cope be when starship reaches orbit in mid 2021?

>>11982347
They only did it once. Its not proven. Its not human rated. Even if its human rated, NASA shouldn't use them because SpaceX monopoly.

PROPALOX WHEN

>>11982347
>SLS doesn't need orbital refueling
>Giant rocket to launch cube sats
>No abort system

>>11982347
>the year is 2024
>"Starship may be an orbit capable vehicle, but it's still high fantasy to think it will take people to Mars. SLS is REAL and will have it's green run anyday now"

>>11982358
>and will have it's green run anyday now
Is this the new "within ten years"?

>>11982347
"If you kill SLS you're going to destroy the aerospace sector!"

>>11982379
but you can use falcon heavies and orbital assembly to get the same results for less money

>>11982379
That’s actually kind of a legitimate concern.

r8

>>11982395

Bros how likely are the Mormons to embrace the future of space colonization? Because if they say their god is OK with colonization then you just know they’ll be populating the frontier like rabbits and it sounds like a good time desu

FACT: Starship would look a lot cooler if it were assembled like this.

does he actually do anything at spacex

>>11982406
Where can I view the entire list?

>>11982426
Wasn’t a Mormon colony getting massacred by the bugs part of the plot of Starship Troopers? Also, Mormons have a surprisingly in-depth treatment of other planets within their religious doctrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology

>>11982440
https://www.nasa.gov/specials/ESDSuppliersMap/

>>11982426
That's what happens in The Expanse, they fund the first interstellar generation ship.

>>11982444
Thank you

Starlink launch in 3 hours right?

>>11982439
I don't really know, but this is exactly what I want to hear from a CEO. Full accountability. https://youtu.be/XvRzisrcX2Y?t=40

>>11982455
yeah I'll have the thread at -1bong or so

>>11982455
Is 2020 shaping up to be the most launches SpaceX has conducted in a year? Their cadence seems way higher than what I feel like is normal.

>>11982466
It should be, yeah.

Any aerospace programs that I should apply for that aren't my state uni (UF)? I've got pretty high stats so they aren't a consideration. Just cost and employability.

>>11982439
Systems engineer who also happens to be CEO/CTO/Chief Engineer/Workaholic/Founder/etc

>>11982483
There’s a ton of decent aerospace schools close to you. Not sure why, but the southeast has a pretty high concentration of aerospace talent for whatever reason.

Georgia Tech is obviously amazing if you can get in. Embry Riddle is probably overpriced for what it is, but can be really cool if you love everything to do with planes. UA Huntsville is seriously underrated, puts you in the closest thing the aerospace industry has to Silicon Valley, and gives out full ride scholarships pretty generously. Auburn is probably pretty similar to UF in terms of student life, but has a pretty decent aerospace department as well.

>>11982406
Seems like if you cancelled it half the country would be out of work...

>tfw space shit actually becoming a thing is
starting to make me wish I went into aerospace
bros....

>>11982553
It's not too late

>>11980905
Gotta repair the launch stand too, now that I think about it.

>>11982496
God, you've reminded me just how many Asians with 1590s I'm competing against. I've got a 1510 with an 800 in math, plus some decent ECs. I'll shoot them an app, maybe UMich too. I'll look into UAH and Auburn.

Hate how much of a crapshoot college apps are.

>>11982553
>tfw brainlet
at least I can shitpost in /sfg/ about people way smarter than me underachieving at the arbitrary goals which I set for them

What do aerospace engineers earn? Are they even close to SWE salaries?

>>11982553
Unless you're rarted it shouldn't be an impossible hurdle Anon. Remember that aerospace is a huge field, you could do propellant chemistry, propulsion elements, material science, structural engineering, avionics and flight guidance programming, etc, etc, etc there's a huge number of different specializations you could pursue.