/sci/ - Science & Math

Joe Biden isn't a threat to the future of spaceflight, his VP nominee will be

First for Boeing BTFO.

>>11977336
Joe Biden is half dead but you’re right his VP would be a huge threat especially if they’re a “diversity hire”.

third for starhopper

>>11977333

>>11977333
How will the anti-SpaceX crowd cope?

>>11977341
This.

Also:
>>11977310
>The part of progress will be seen as the party of regress, if they cancel a sure Artemis moon return for some completely new hair-brained scheme or refocus on a direct Mars mission that's years away, fuck.

You forget that this is the same party that turned a drug-addled nigger with a rap sheet so long you'd think Proust wrote it into a martyr worthy of months of protests and quasi-religious veneration.

All it'll take is some piece in the New York Times by the 1619 project bitch about how the notion of landing on new worlds was steeped in problematic imperialist white supremacy and how it was time to "decolonize" space exploration and pursue a vision for space exploration that was more welcoming to BIPoC, and the even the academic types in the Democrat party base would happily march in lockstep with the new truth.

>>11977344
The arrogance if this image. Underestimating the ayys before we even meet them.

>>11977345
>I'm still not going to join all the fanboys until I actually see a full prototype fly. Until then it's just a steel cylinder with an engine.

It's already happening, just check twitter or high profile reddit threads.

>>11977351
Oh I was talking about the blacks

>>11977348
Those are just desperation tactics to use the situation of the pandemic and stoking race tensions to make Trump's reelection untenable, typical MO of the democratic party, once they've actually secured power (if they do) I would hope that they wouldn't go so full retard.

>>11977336
SLS will fly once or twice, maybe to launch Europa Clipper, but Artemis will get cancelled/restructured to death and Orion will become like Buran, a decent system that only flew once, unmanned, before collecting dust after there was nothing to launch it with.

Biden will be to NASA what Yeltsin was to Russian spaceflight.

>>11977354
The Biden/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi boomers would never let it happen, but the Gen X and millennial true believers who are rapidly multiplying within the party ranks absolutely will.

>>11977344
Cringe

>>11977336
politicians are a threat to space flight. i'm in the uk so we know more than anyone why that is. the useless cunts.

>>11977359
I refuse to believe that on the cusp of returning America to the moon to stay that the Dems if in power would be so petty, so shortsighted and so retarded as to squander all that away.

>>11977359
Otoh, unlike 1990s Russia, this time the robber baron oligarchs will actually have their own space programs, and you might see SpaceX and Blue Origin in a private race to the moon powered by Bezos and Musks raw, unadulterated autism.

So how likely is it we will have a moon configuration starship in the next 5 years?
Cargo starship will definitely be a thing, but getting a starship safe enough for human rating is a whole different thing i think.
I think falcon9&crew dragon will be flying at least for another 5 years, maybe even a decade.

>>11977371
you vastly overestimate how much they care or value space exploration. To them it's a relic of the cold war that we should have grown out of.

>>11977371
You underestimate the retardedness of the Democratic Party. They would euthanize the entire white population of it meant staying in power

>>11977373
This. NASA will fall but then again government space programs have sucked since the 70s. At least we have SpaceX

>>11977371
have you seen the state of western politics this last decade? it's not just the us and it's not just the left; petty squabbling is fucking endemic.

>>11977373
Musk will handicap himself by insisting on Moon Starship as a practice run for Mars landings, Bezos will go step by step, furiously, and launch Orions purchased from Lockheed on New Glenn that rendezvous with man-rated Blue Moon landers (also launched on New Glenn) in lunar orbit.

>>11977371
they don't care and it gives them some sort of moral superiority in the eyes of the leftist public

>>11977371
I think the adage "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst." is applicable here. While it would be nice for the Democrat replacement of Trump to be pro-space, it is not guaranteed. If the Democrats do end NASA's lunar ambitions and replace them with more terrestrial ones, then at least there is SpaceX and Blue Origin.

>>11977383
Ok so Blue now has expendable landers and capsules on the moon. Also there’s like three Orion’s in total.

>>11977371
Democrat politicans are intentionally trying to enable antifa&blm roits all over the place to destabilize the country and influence the voters.
They would totaly cancel a shitload of spaceprograms where trump signed of on something just to spite his presidency.

>>11977385
i think this is what musk means when he talked about a narrowing window of opportunity. there are several events globally coming down the tracks that could set back humans off-earth permanently or by many many decades.

>>11977375
Moon configuration Starship might happen quickly, but it'll very likely be launched unmanned into LEO like a glorified space station, with the 7-14 man crew launched and recovered on Crew Dragon flights once it's fueled up for TLI and lunar landing. I can imagine a test regime similar to Apollos 9 and 10 before it finally lands as well.

>>11977375
I have my doubts that a human rated version of Starship would be available within 5 years, but the first Dragon cargo delivery happened roughly two years after the first Falcon 9 launch so cargo can be a possibility depending on Starship developments.

>>11977333
Based flying trashcan

>>11977353
>>>/pol/

>>11977375
I'd say likely. SpaceX has a contract with NASA to build them one, or however that program works. They also want vanilla Starship to be able to do Moon landings simply by using an adjusted refueling scheme. Starship development is moving fast and seems to be moving faster all the time, I don't think we're very far from orbital flights. I would be surprised if Starship wasn't launching payloads to space by the end of 2022. I would be very surprised if SpaceX wasn't making propellant launches and orbital refueling routine by the end of 2023. Remember, once Starship is flying it racks up the flight numbers very quickly, being a rapidly reusable vehicle.

>>11977387
Oldspace loves Blue Origin and so it wouldn't be too surprising to see Bezos launch a privately-funded equivalent to the Lunar Gateway to give his Blue Moon landers something to fly back and forth from.

I also wouldn't be surprised if BO doesn't also have its own manned capsule under development, given that NG is planned to be man-rated from the outset, and so Orion availability might not be a long-term issue.

>>11977371
Politicians are petty, dems ARE blocking 2024 lunar landing program. I suspect this is to deny trump his achievement and move it to next president so.

>>11977382
I'm actually worried some kind of weird complex will develop where returning to the moon is seen as Republican and moving forward on to Mars is seen as Democrat "we've been there before!" and that will be the excuse used to cancel Artemis and refocus all NASA's efforts on a new direction under a new administrator, while funding more Earth sciences and Earth observation projects for climate science and climate monitoring and barely funding whatever Mars goal they set, next election say a Republican wins again, Moon will be the goal this time because national pride and beating the Chinese/Russians to it if they haven't gotten there already, but the hardware might not be ready to go until the next election- lack of landers especially, rinse & repeat

We can't get anything in space done under this kind of back and forth politics bullshit

>>11977359
Artemis will be just as useless as whatever vague bullshit each president proposes for space. If there's no real meaningful scientific and colonization goals, an ego flag plant won't accomplish anything. They've been dragging the shuttle carcass since Constellation and now with SLS. Artemis is an extension of that.

>>11977393
This. We're going to see a (possibly expendable) cargo Starship relatively early on, and it'll likely be followed by the lunar Starship that will launch unmanned, be serviced by dragons,and stay up in space like space station that can also land on the moon.

It'll probably be a while before we see humans launching into space on Starships and making belly-flop re-entrys or hoverslam landings, though.

>>11977407
If democrats win 2020, there will never be a republican victory again. You can be damned sure they'll open the floodgates and texas will flip.

>>11977399
This. People forget just how many times Starship will be able to launch before flying people. If it flies 20 times a year (very generous), it will have more flights than the Shuttle in less than seven years.

Also SpaceX doesn’t HAVE to man-rate Starship launches yet. There’s nothing stopping the first Mars missions from relying on Dragon for crew transport up and down.

Also what are the chances that a manned Mars mission with Starship would utilize an MTV variant? A fully fueled Starship with 50 tons of Payload has 7.3 km/s if delta-V. That’s enough to boost to Mars (3.8 km/s), and return from a low orbit (3.3-ish km/s).

My theory is that they’ll have a Starship that lands on Mars and takes off like Lockheed’s MADV. I did the math and a Starship with 30 tons of payload can land and then return to a low Mars Orbit with “just” 450 tons of fuel, which is enough to be sent there without ISRU.

>>11977414
>If it flies 20 times a year (very generous)
I mean for the first year or two that'd make sense but I truly believe SpaceX will be able to get less then one week turnaround times for starship within 3-4 years, enabling hundreds of launches a year.

>>11977407
Unironically, we need more diversity in politics. Trying to squeeze everything into two camps of "us verses them" has resulted in pointless fighting and extremism.

>>11977408
The only exciting thing about Artemis was the gateway (since now you have a new space station to expand and keep manned) and the private-sector participation.

Anything that accelerates New Glenn/Blue Moon development (and whatever manned orbital spacecraft Bezos is hiding) and gets Moon Starship built is good in my book.

>>11977333
Wtf is this nigger-rigged shit

Can we have a politics-free thread please? Or at least keep it strictly limited to its relevance to space.

>>11977419
Yes, because everyone knows that government and society function better the more people disagree with each other.

>>11977428
KYS space is inherently political due to the cost and controversy around developments using public funds

>>11977428
Politics are relevant to space. Especially in our time where it has become a partisan issue, for some reason.

But seriously is anyone else super excited with spaceflight in the next few years? I mean we have a bunch of cool probes and missions coming up but more than that...

S T A R S H I P

even better now that it’s real.

>>11977414
>My theory is that they’ll have a Starship that lands on Mars and takes off like Lockheed’s MADV.

That's my hunch as well. My bet is that for the trip to Mars they'll launch a small flotilla, Columbus-style, with a couple of "Habitation Starships" (each of which have the capacity to bring the entire crew home), a couple of "Tanker Starships" carrying fuel for the return trip, a couple of "MTV Starships" to land and return with, and maybe a cargo Starship or two to drop materials for a Martian settlement.

>>11977428
this is the most political /sfg/ has been in weeks deal with it

>>11977428
So long as politicians have the power hold back spaceflight and space exploration, space will continue to be inherently political.

>>11977433
>>11977434
The trouble is that plenty of the comments stray into pure discussion of America's retarded politics. It's not like there's a shortage of other places to discuss this

>>11977438
i'm just glad we don't have tumblr faggots complaining about shit

>>11977419
What the US needs, and I'm saying this as a Spaniard who can see it from the outside, is to rip the Marxist cancer from higher education.
All the shit you're facing right now is the consequence of small cadres of university trained communist agitators having infiltrated most political and media institutions in the US.

>>11977434
>But seriously is anyone else super excited with spaceflight in the next few years?
I've been excited since Falcon Heavy. It's like I'm a kid again.

>>11977442
thats because its fucking relevant with how NASA's directives change on a whim with each and every new administration, and if you haven't noticed we are approaching the crossroads shortly

>>11977428
Norf lunar poler, or souf lunar poler we can all agree on one issue, fuck earf simple as.

>>11977436
Goddamn that reminds me I did some math a few weeks ago that showed that SpaceX could send a crew to Mars and back without ISRU.

It had a “Tanker” carry 450 tons of fuel to Mars, and a MADV launch to mars with 30 tons of surface equipment as well as a small 50 ton fuel tank. These two missions arrive at Mars the launch window before the crewed mission.

The crew use a fully fueled Starship with 50 tons of payload which is fully fueled and then boosts to Mars and then aero captures. It rendezvouses with the MADV, which already had its tanks filled with the 450 tons of propellant from the tanker. The MADV lands on Mars, then takes off and meets the transfer vehicle. The MTV boosts back to Earth and aerocaptures.

So yeah assuming 100 tons to LEO and a Starship dry mass of 120 tons, the tanker was filled with 16 launches (12 to fuel the tanks, 4 to fill its “450 ton tank”).

The MADV is filled with four tanker launches and arrives mostly empty aside from its “mini-tank” it launches with.

The MTV is met with a full 12 launches to fill it up completely.

In total it took 35 Starship launches. Which sounds like a lot but remember that Starship is mostly Zero-Boiloff, and the launches are spread over four years.

>In the future, our current ISS partners will provide important contributions to Gateway, comprising advanced external robotics, additional habitation and possibly other enhancements. Canada announced in February 2019 its intention to participate in the Gateway and contribute advanced external robotics. In June 2020, the Canadian Space Agency announced it would award a Canadian company to build the CanadarArm3 for Artemis deep space missions. In October 2019, Japan announced plans to join the United States on the Gateway with contributions of habitation components and logistics resupply. In November 2019, the European Space Agency received authorization and funding to support its planned contributions to the Gateway including habitation and refueling. Russia has also expressed interest in cooperating on the Gateway.

Look at all these partnerships, commitments and investments we lose if a possible next Dem administration cancels Gateway outright, they wouldn't be this stupid would they

>>11977451
Hate Chinese love me Xiao Ten

>>11977445
literally impossible without civil war, they exist everywhere in government, law, businesses, media, education, etc, this isn't going to be resolved bloodlessly. All I hope is that SpaceX at least has a contingency plan when shit starts to go down

>>11977455
>In total it took 35 Starship launches. Which sounds like a lot
Even assuming a Starship has a turnaround time of two weeks it's fine if you just build more tankers.

>>11977445
Our President and Secretary of Education are working on it. They've already dismantled the feminist kangaroo rape tribunals that were an epicenter of the problem, and recently the federal government has shifted to skills based hiring for most jobs.

50m inflatable rotating space stations launched on SuperHeavy when?

>>11977458
My guess is that the Democrats would try to force the Gateway's goals to be on something other than the moon. Maybe they'll try to resurrect "Obama's" asteroid mission.

>>11977469
>Maybe they'll try to resurrect "Obama's" asteroid mission.

My biggest worry, that is a mission to nowhere, preparing us neither for lunar or Mars bases

>>11977458
Gateway sits near the moon but it really orbits Washington, DC. Everything about the design is to make it impossible to kill once we start putting crew there. The only way it goes away is if it gets replaced by a station with a 1g spinning hab.

>>11977466
Starbase Liberty when?

>>11977451
Not racist, just don't like em

>>11977479
its beautiful

>>11977455
>In total it took 35 Starship launches. Which sounds like a lot but remember that Starship is mostly Zero-Boiloff, and the launches are spread over four years.

Now, look at Falcon 9's launch cadence (and assume Starship's will be similar) and we can get an idea of how long that would actually take with 2-10 operational Earth Atmosphere Starships.

The other advantage of the dedicated "Habitation Starship" is that it won't need landing engines, landing legs, or aerodynamics, and so that 10+ tons af extra mass can now be spent on either fuel or crew accomodations.

>Bigelow
>relevant anymore

>>11977479
>225 tons
>you could literally put that statue into LEO with a pair of Starship launches and bolt the halves together

>>11977486
>Now, look at Falcon 9's launch cadence (and assume Starship's will be similar)
I assume SpaceX will wait until they've gotten a high launch cadence (one week or less) until they attempt a crewed mars mission.

>>11977445
/politics/
These people have infiltrated more than just higher education (likely because the educators have indoctrinated their students, and these students have now entered the work force). I don't understand where it started... but I know a fuck ton of progressive marxists who are currently in college and who are vocally anti-NASA and space flight. The whole meme of "we need to defund NASA and give that money to the poor" is NOT a meme. Heed my words, this is a very very real sentiment and these people need to be broken down and ejected from society
//end_politics//

>>11977475
This is unironically a good thing. We need it to be ISS 2.0 where politicians on both sides feel obligated to keep building it, keep it manned, and keep it operational. Doing that will more or less keep our politicians feeling obligated to keep an Orion-tier vehicle in operation and a lunar landing capability operational as well.

>>11977492
>but I know a fuck ton of progressive marxists who are currently in college and who are vocally anti-NASA and space flight. The whole meme of "we need to defund NASA and give that money to the poor"

It's an attitude that's unfortunately everywhere now, save for maybe the mechanical and aerospace engineering industries.

>>11977492

thinking that's actually an actual veritable problem is a meme.

>>11977492
Been listening to Jordan Peterson again?

>>11977490
Even if it's a 2-month turnaround you could launch a Mars flotilla with 2 years of launches from a modest 10-ship fleet.

>>11977492
At least SpaceX and Blue Origin are privately funded. No amount of REEEing from the anti-space people can stop a group of people willingly spending their private funds on personal projects without setting a dangerous standard.

>>11977465
Yeah ultimately I think these kinds of movements also tend to rot from the inside as they are by nature parasites incapable of creating value, the danger is when they manage to attach to a host
In Venezuela they feed off of the civil service, in the US they survive by redirecting university money
The good news is humanities departments in the US have been essentially hollowed out (law school aside) and their degrees are worthless in the market as of 2015, which is why gen z is less Marxist than the millenials
>>11977462
I disagree, see above

>>11977505
By the time SpaceX is willing to send humans to mars, I feel they would have gotten starship's launch cadence down to around a week. I know a lot of people think starship will never get a high launch cadence, but I think it has a good shot at doing so considering its been designed from the start to do so, and SpaceX has experience from the Falcon family of rockets.

>>11977492
Does America do a crappy job of spreading opportunity and wealth around? Because the best way to neutralise these retards is to get them hooked on capitalism, but that's only going to happen if the system is reasonably fair. I mean the cost of higher education in the US is hair raising for example. How is someone from a poor background supposed to get anywhere?

>>11977465
>They've already dismantled the feminist kangaroo rape tribunals that were an epicenter of the problem, and recently the federal government has shifted to skills based hiring for most jobs.
expect all this to reverse and change course aggressively if the dems win 2020, there will be a leftist push-back like no other, I wouldn't be surprised if everything the Trump admin has done will be reversed much like the Trump admin has done to Obama's admin in several respects.

And sadly Artemis will likely be caught in the crossfire

>>11977474
It was a perfect metaphor for king niggers vision for the future of humanity, though.

"If my precious low IQ brown people can't advance, then I'll see to it that no one else can, either"

>>11977516
The irony is the college marxists tend to be upper middle class

>>11977510
>) and their degrees are worthless in the market as of 2015, which is why gen z is less Marxist than the millenials
You're dead wrong about that. Won't matter when the democrats allow millions of hispanics into texas and turn it blue.

>>11977419
Compromises. The late XX century idea of a republic was killed by having to make more and more compromises each year when you need to decide who will manage your country for half a decade.
And that's a consequence of the ever narrowing number of choices, yes.

But fuck politics discussions in /sfg/.

>>11977497

No, you're not grasping that there are wide swaths of people who don't care about our hobby niche in the way we are interested in it. They don't care about space like I don't care about golf.

Widespread benign supportive acceptance but disinterest is the actual state of affairs.

ITT
Only betrayers of human kind

>>11977516
>Because the best way to neutralise these retards is to get them hooked on capitalism
Doing a really crappy job of that considering the rise in socialism/communist sympathies across the US lately

>>11977413
It already is flipping, the combination of calli fags who destroyed their own state and are now moving to texas and the constant stream of mexicans will make texas deep blue in the next decade.
Space exploration is fucked in a endless democrat president administration future.

>>11977333
Did the Biden ever state anything about NASA?
If not, I think he's gonna do what the nigger did and axe the SLS like Constellation.

'ate boing
'ate virgin lol virgin
'ate nasa

luv me elon
luv me space x

simple as

/r/EnoughMuskSpam: "Going to Mars is stupid"

https://reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/i42ol2/going_to_mars_is_stupid/
lol

>>11977524
>Anonymous (29)

Will the finished rocket at least be painted? These shiny silos look... amateurish.

/sfg/ what's your favorite rocket engine? Mine's the J-2.

>>11977534
>https://reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/i42ol2/going_to_mars_is_stupid/
holy crap, pretty much all of his points are completely wrong, theres so much wrong with his argument that i don't even know where to start. how do these faggots seriously expect people to take them seriously when they cant take an hour to research their claims?

>>11977515
If it's a week, that's going to be predicated on swapping out the raptors and replacing them from a pool of refurbished ones for at least the 5-10 years.

But I could see that cadence working, swap out the raptors on day 1-2 while inspecting and troubleshooting the flight systems, followed by a static fire on day 3-5, a mating to super heavy on day 5-6, and a launch on day 7.

>>11977532
When Biden cancels SLS, there will only be Elon left.

>>11977528
>Space exploration is fucked in a endless democrat president administration future
How so? That's only happening in your imagination

>>11977539
Paint isn't necessary for stainless steel so it'll just add pointless dry mass.

>>11977534
>they think going to Mars is about benefiting people on Earth rather than getting the fuck away from them

>>11977540
Most aesthetic engine ever

>>11977519
Modern Marxism is the direct result of overly comfortable college kids having nothing real to worry about.

>>11977548
Why has no one even done a repeat of Atlas' baloon tanks? It's almost an SSTO

>>11977545
SLS should be thrown to the trash heap.
Also reminder than not a single president gives a fuck about space or NASA. it's controlled mainly by congress looking to keep jobs in their state.

>>11977540
I want to say Raptor.
It the engine that can.

>>11977552
Fun fact, the RS-25's development was based on the HG-3 which itself is a derivative of the J-2.

>>11977545
No, there is another...

>>11977551
>>11977534
>>11977541
most of these anti spacex people have little to no actual knowledge about the aerospace industry OR space travel, and come from the assorted mix of tesla haters, leftists mad at elon for being anti-union, and boomer right wing boeing shills

>>11977555
>not a single president gives a fuck about space or NASA
Must be why Drumpf was there for Crew Dragon launch.

>>11977545
yea, got a feeling he is gonna win, only Elon can get us off this rock now, makes me wonder if he wasnt around how long would it have been for nasa to actually put boots on the moon.

>>11977519

The poor have less time and opportunities to participate in politics.

>>11977534
I'm Pro-Moon and that post was very stupid.

>>11977541
>how do these faggots seriously expect people to take them seriously when they cant take an hour to research their claims?
Because they are just preaching to the "elon bad" crowd. Stop giving these dumbfucks attention, if you see them in the wild, just remind them everyone with a brain is laughing at them, and move on.

>>11977552
based choice
>>11977540
pic

>>11977559
I posted the thumbnail on accident.

>>11977532
>simple as
no aussies pls

>>11977486
aren't there only like 5 block-5 f9 in existence, which slows down cadence.

<politics>
>>11977492
>I don't understand where it started
Joseph McCarthy was correct. It started with mass infiltration of Soviet agents in the 1950s.

>>11977517
Biden won't win.
</politics>

>>11977494
The resupply contracts alone will be a steady stream of Falcon Heavy launches until Starship is proven enough to replace it.

>>11977554
Starship is doing it iirc.

>>11977552
>>11977559
The XLR-129 would have been even better

>>11977565
Photo ops don't mean anything.

>>11977565
He's just trying to get clout from SpaceXs success of an Obama era mission plan

>>11977580
Wether you want it or not, Spaceflight is tied to politics.

>>11977532
>brit/pol/ in /sfg/
pls take your trip off before you know who arrives

>>11977554
IIRC, Atlas was an "almost SSTO" because of its engine dropping, not the tanks. The tanks were due to material selection issues at the time.

>>11977579
Now remember just how much cheaper Starship will be to build than a Block 5 F9 and you'll see how realistic Mars is.

The limiting factor is going to be SuperHeavy, not Starship.

>>11977554
UH OH

>>11977587
Only it was the first time since forever.
NASA crew remember this shit.

>>11977591
Related concept except with a Saturn V first stage.

>>11977501
My friend, dismissing this as a “non problem” is a meme lots of us are falling into. These people, i.e. this generation of middle class college students, are more dangerous than you expect.

I go to school in Louisiana which is a bit different, but I’m from texas and most of my friends go to school in texas... so I’ll explain what is going on there. Lots of people vote red because that’s the way things are. But these people aren’t exactly pro-trump. These kids have convinced their parents to become apologetic about trump and many of these parents are now talking about voting Biden because of their kids. If you want a real-world example I have a very recent one. My boomer father recently posted a pic on facebook from NASA’s Michoud Assembly building in new orleans (he works there over the summers as a contractor for SLS). Well, he received a ton of replies from his CONSERVATIVE friends about how this money should be diverted due to the covid pandemic. They don’t believe in trump anymore. They don’t want to go to the Moon anymore. Their kids have convinced them that NASA should only invest in climate science. This isn’t a meme this is a problem.

I’ll give you a hint as to why these marxists friends of mine want mail-in ballots... their parents don’t really give a fuck about who they vote for. If they go to a polling booth they will vote trump and be done with it. But if they get mail in ballots, their kids will come home for the weekend and have the whole family vote for biden and send it in. NASA is at risk and you people want to brush it aside like it’s not a problem

>>11977580
starship isn't doing balloon tanks

>>11977593
superheavy can't cost any more than ss. raptors yes but mass manufacturing should bring those waaaay down.

>>11977551
>going to Mars is about benefiting people on Earth
But it is. One does not preclude the other. The very basic "we're much less likely to be wiped out/permanently devolve into irrelevance" is enough but there is so much more.

>>11977599
http://www.astronautix.com/s/saturnv-b.html
>At very minimal cost (36 months lead-time and $ 150 million) the United States could have attained a payload capability and level of reusability similar to that of the space shuttle.

>>11977605
>Michoud
>Make one SRB a decade.
Yeah, maybe he should quit his job to begin with.

>>11977617

>>11977619
>>11977605
i'd rather most of nasa's funds go to planetary science missions (stuff like cassini)

>>11977622
What about those climate change sciences and outreach and the "real" problems on Earth? /s

>>11977492
>I don't understand where it started...

Some people did something, but they weren't nearly thorough enough about it

>>11977404
2024 landing is not realistically happening.
Even to attempt it would harm the ability of Artemis to produce lasting lunar infrastructure.

>>11977622
Why? Your father seems competent. He should have no problem in the space industry.
You're scared he'll be out of the loop, but I'm sure he can still learn complicated stuff, if he made it there.

>>11977619
SRB's are out of Utah, baka

>>11977620
The Shuttle closed alot of paths that might have been better. Even its own improvements suffered due to the terrible management of the program.

>>11977626
>climate change sciences
Yes we need those as well
>outreach and the "real" problems on Earth?
meme perpetuated by /pol/fags

>>11977626
Divert some of NOAA's funds from "outreach" programs to launching weather observatories. Problem solved.

>>11977631
im a different anon

>>11977629
>>11977404
this, the 2024 goal isn't feasible if we want this shit to last and be sustainable and long-term, especially because of the pandemic slowing everything down

but that also means the dems might feel it less pertinent to work on it at all, vs just spreading out the bare meager funding over a longer period of time

this pandemic really fucked shit up man

>>11977639
>this, the 2024 goal isn't feasible if we want this shit to last and be sustainable and long-term
you could do a sustainable artemis program with just falcon heavy launches lol. its SLS thats making it unsustainable

Here's an idea out of nowhere.
What if, we dedicated DoD budget to Spaceflight for a year?
What do you think would happen?

>>11977580
>The resupply contracts alone will be a steady stream of Falcon Heavy launches until Starship is proven enough to replace it.

My dick will be rock hard if SpaceX and JAXA work together and send HTVs to the moon on Falcon Heavy.

>>11977644
>contractors
>contractors everywhere

>>11977638
Maybe worry about yourself? Your father will be alright, it seems to me.

>>11977565
Nixon was there when the Apollo 11 and 13 astronauts came back.
Did nothing for NASA.

>>11977644
nothing, the bottleneck isn't really money. It's good engineers and driven managers who actually care about spaceflight.

>>11977644
But anon, why defund the DOD when we could defund welfare and let the niggers starve to death instead?

>>11977649
im not the anon with the father in michoud

>>11977645
It's going to be a Dragon XL cargo capsule from what I've read. They might also use a Falcon Heavy to boost the JAXA station components.

>>11977626
Why does outreach get your panties in a bunch? more people need to care about this stuff for there to be a meaningful push for space exploration.

>>11977656
It's hard to tell because this board won't have Id, no matter what.

>>11977611
Current humanity deserves to be wiped out. Those who manage to colonize other planets/moons are the ones who deserve to live on

>>11977531
>If not, I think he's gonna do what the nigger did and axe the SLS like Constellation.
SLS and Constellation needed the axe its just more Shuttle contractor money with no results.
>nigger
Good showing that you don't want to talk about this with any sort of honesty

>>11977662
yeah, i'd rather it not have IDs

>>11977643
>Trump loses 2020
>Dems fund SLS up to Europa Clipper only
>direct NASA to rely on Falcon Heavy to send its Landers and Orion to the Moon for Artemis/Gateway
>later Starship
>maybe even orbital depots

>yfw

The dems don't hate SpaceX do they? It was Obama's efforts and focus on CCDEV and SpaceX in particular that brought us to this moment after all

>>11977660
not him but "outreach" during the d2 launch was nasa cutting away to some chick who looked 15 talking about twitter and hashtags and a load of trite skype calls from the kind of men who play with lego in their 30s.

>>11977657
God I hope that Grimes convinces Musk to convince JAXA to hire Takahashi Murakami and the big anime houses to draw up kawaii mascots for each mission that then get emblazoned on the capsules and fairings.

>>11977660
Outreach programs only work if there's something to show for it. Focusing on space flight outreach OVER actual space flight is like putting the cart before the horse and will only gather superficial interest that will evaporate the moment something more interesting comes along.

>>11977656
I'm just saying, if we were more peaceful beings, we would have no problem sending people to proxima centory.
We just have to worry about blowing ourself out all the timpe.

>>11977653
So they realized they would have more success by merging both teams and focusing all development effort on one site/prototype at a time right?

Seems like it really paid off

>>11977664
Nigger is just plain fun to say, anon. This is /sci/, not r/space

>>11977664
We literally lost a decade because f Obama.

>>11977669
What's wrong about that? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have its purpose.
>Focusing on space flight outreach OVER actual space flight
Do you actually think outreach has more money and effort put into it than science missions and space flight?

>>11977666
>The dems don't hate SpaceX do they?
Depends on the exact type of Democrat. At the very least, a Democrat president can't stop SpaceX without being dangerously authoritarian and stepping on other powerful people's toes.

>>11977466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXe-5mUeLC8

>>11977678
They clearly merged the metalworking know-how of Cocoa with the superior location that Boca Chica presented, truly the best of both worlds.

>>11977681
>Obama
Not really Congress is the ones who are mostly in charge of NASA. The Presidents don't give a fuck. Ask them why they needed to keep the Shuttle contractor pork train going that was the real issue.

>>11977629
It becomes "not realistically happening" when you don't give any funding. Self fulfilling prophecy. You can not believe Elon's 2024 Mars, but to stop Elon from working on Starship because you believe its not possible is what the House budget is forcing NASA to be.

>>11977684
I mean the ones who make the decisions on the Appropriations Bills and NASA funding, the seated members in the House. Surely they would be more for cancelling SLS as most of its pork only goes to Republicans right?

So they would cancel SLS after maybe a Europe Clipper mission while still funding NASA landers for Artemis missions using Falcon Heavy or Starship...

Just hoping for the best if the Dems were to win this year

>>11977680
be careful anon, some jannies here would really like this place to be a lot more like reddit...

>>11977689
Keep telling yourself that.
Hopefully SpaceX isn't a gobernment agency, so they'll be fine.
But it's gonna be space disaster in the next 4 years.

>>11977681
And it's not all Democrats, because Bill Clinton got us Cassini, the ISS, Mars Pathfinder, Chandra, and laid the groundwork for New Horizons and Spirit/Opportunity.

It's just that Obama and the proto-woke IdPol-fellating NPR crowd upper middle
class PMC humanist types that he represented are absolute poison for any form of space exploration.

>>11977694
Falcon Heavy or Super Heavy* I meant

any jobs in Northern Illinois or Southern Wisconsin related to space?

>>11977699
>Clinton
>1996
There weren't even terrorists back then.

>>11977631
Original anon here, my dad is about to retire. Idk how he got the job in the first place desu, he has a geology degree. He’s really into private space though.

>>11977696
You're just believing in /pol/ tier memes. NASA's problems are deep rooted in jobs programs, without any sort of ambitions for space. That's why NASA's science missions are much more successful and we need more of them.

>>11977694
>So they would cancel SLS after maybe a Europe Clipper mission while still funding NASA landers for Artemis missions using Falcon Heavy or Starship...

Pretty much. SLS will fly a test flight then launch Europa Clipper before never flying again, and all further "Big Science" NASA exploration plans other than the stillborn JWST will be smothered in their beds.

Gateway and lunar landings might still happen though if the Lockheed and Northrop care enough about making the extra money to lobby Congress to keep shoveling money into their coffers in exchange for the gateway, some landers, and more Orion's, even if they're all launched by something that isn't the SLS.

#CancelPoliticsInSFG

>>11977718
>and more Orion's
Orion was designed for Ares and is too heavy for SLS to take out for a Moon landing. Throw it in the trash too. The only people with meaningful ambition are Musk and Bezos. Hopefully NASA follows suit.

>>11977716
Did he just pretend to be competent all his life? Wtf?

>>11977707
The 90s are truly paradise lost.

>>11977724
>Orion was designed for Ares and is too heavy for SLS to take out for a Moon landing.

huh? It's literally gonna be assembled onto it

>>11977717
Politics is a thing in space. Whether you like it or not. Look back at 2010.

>>11977724
Honestly Dragon or Starliner on a cryogenic TLI stage should more than do the trick instead of the way-overbuilt Orion.

Elongate Engines.

>>11977682
>What's wrong about that?
doing it with kids is absolutely fine. education, experiments, documentaries, field trips anything. twitter and the kind of people who would only be interested in stuff because it's on twitter is not that.

Friendly reminder that after NASA's recent audit, there were talks of having to cut Europa Clipper's budget. SLS is so far behind that they are having to cut money from other missions. That's right- SLS is cannibalizing other projects that it can't even launch
>>11977725
Idk. Geology is a very malleable degree. You can pretty much do anything. All his geology buddies from college are engineers now lmao

>>11977733
>Politics is a thing in space
Exactly, but you think it's because of a blue haired tumblrina boogeyman and not the age old classic money for contractors to keep jobs in their states. As long as that's the politics that govern human space exploration we are going nowhere.

>>11977741
>the kind of people who would only be interested in stuff because it's on twitter is not that.

Sadly that describes 95% of schoolchildren as well.

>>11977718
>and all further "Big Science" NASA exploration plans other than the stillborn JWST will be smothered in their beds.
not necessarily, just all the "big science" plans that relied on the SLS. i wonder if dragonfly might end up getting launched on a falcon heavy

>>11977740

>>11977727
now that I think about it, the 90s was the only full decade without a catastrophic failure of the shuttle.

Oh well, the 20s is already turning out to be a great decade for human spaceflight and there are no signs of slowing down, just yesterday Elon said progress is accelerating

>2020
>I am forgotten

>>11977742
>That's right- SLS is cannibalizing other projects that it can't even launch
It's been doing that for a while. Nothing surprising, just more disappointment.

>>11977745
Does it fit in the Falcon fairing?

>>11977742
CANCEL SLS

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>11977744
my son is 1 so i've yet to get to that depressing realisation. lucky his mum is dead against him having really any screen time ever so hopefully we can avoid the worst of it.

February 2021.
Jim Brindesteine is giving he's boss right to cuck 00015
A few month later, SLS is cancelled.
All this money could go to social programs.
And that's it.

INFLATE ME DADDY

>>11977746
>"Are you trying to make a rocket engine, or a second sun?"
>Yes.

>>11977760
Okay Andrew Dobson.

>>11977751
it does i believe

>>11977747
>just yesterday Elon said progress is accelerating

I like to think that he's not just saying that because of SpaceX, but also because through the grapevine he's privy to just how far along Blue Origin is with New Glenn as well.

It just seems logical for SpaceX to have a presence in the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley collegiate system. Carpetbagging from the Pacific to grab at equatorial land just doesn't seem to be what they're about.

>>11977760
*Bankrupts Bigelow Aerospace*
Wow, so this is the power of inflatable modules?

>>11977747
Progress isn't accelerating.
I measure progress by explosions.
Next is whatever they launch blowing up.

HOP WHEN

>>11977749
I like to think that SpaceX will buy up his patents and IP assets if only to give Tourism Dragon something other than the musty, cluttered, claustrophobic old ISS to fly up to.

Big cheap inflatable hab modules with big open spaces, big windows, and Crew Dragon-style luxury interiors would be perfect on that front.

>>11977778
>90% hispanic student population
Lots of future rocket scientists there for sure

>>11977742
I heard someone is trying to get it on a falcon heavy. How is that going?

>>11977788
>open cupboard in converted old russian section
>bukakked by a cumball

question, do they need to fuel the superheavy before they stack starship on top?
Or could a empty superheavy carry the weight of fueled starship with cargo?

>>11977650
Nixon was straight up unpopular though, not polarizing like trump

Trump could make space a hill to die on for conservatives if he backs it and is inevitably criticized

SpaceX should just follow my lead and take the whole test stand with you on test flights desu, can avoid them being blown up that way, it's ingenious really.

We're of thinking we go to Mars, but then we just need to pay Tyrone's rent.

>The Europa Clipper will not orbit Europa, but instead orbit Jupiter and conduct 44 flybys of Europa at altitudes from 25 to 2,700 km
>25km
limbomode engaged

>>11977554
>woops you lost pressure at any point goodbye everything.

>>11977804
its unironically better for it do flybys

>>11977804
thats so stupid what the fuck

>>11977811
I don't know shit about shit and I read it along time ago but I think it was something something about radiation

>>11977796
Yeah, exactly. Taylor Swift, Chang Chung Chen, or Prince Al-Walal Bin Talal Al-Falafel aren't going to be too happy about that one.

>>11977809
not questioning that. but it's l o w.
images with be kino af.

>>11977804
Why are they doing that?

>>11977772
he sees the big picture, 10 years ago SpaceX was still gasping for breath just trying to make reliable successful trips to orbit. Now with their current market dominance + the upcoming revenue from Starlink, they have enough breathing room to dedicate a shitton of their time and effort on R&D with Starship

>>11977781
was 2020 our first Starship prototype explosion? That beats the number 2019 had, so we're definitely progressing by your standards

>>11977820
wiki: radiation would fuck it in months. flybys give them time to transmit 3x the data than another more expensive mission.

It's all fucking easy, and I bet you all know about it. Voting Biden dooms the Space program.
You just have to vote not Biden.

uniroincally if starship is tilting due to the metal compressing during landing, then they will have to go back to the drawing boards.

>>11977819
yeah, these are the best images of europa we got, around 19 feet per pixel i think. it'll be insane to see europa from only 25 kilometers though

>>11977814
Jupiter has steroidal Van Allen belts that will fuck sensitive instruments hard, and unfortunately Io and Europa's orbits are within them, so short of something like JIMO that had bottomless delta-V to play with, flybys engineered to minimize the time in the radiation belts are the way to go.

>>11977414
>If it flies 20 times a year (very generous)
I think 20 times per year per Starship near the beginning of 'regular' launches is a decent enough estimate, but don't forget that they want to build tens of Starships and multiple Super Heavy Boosters per year, so without being any more optimistic than 2 month turnaround per Starship they could still accomplish hundreds of annual launches, only limited by how often they can reuse the Boosters and by how many pads they have.

>>11977821
>was 2020 our first Starship prototype explosion
Nah, we got like 3-4explosions in a year.

>>11977828
Just get beefier legs bro. Don't skip leg day.

>>11977829
literal roads on the surface.

>>11977832
actual explosions? I thought the other tank failures were implosions/had no fireballs

>>11977834
what interests me the most is that giant canyon in the middle, seems like it could be over 2-3000 feet deep potentially

>>11977833
you thinking one of the legs got compromised?

Eric (((Berger)))

>>11977844
>which was far too white and male to represent the human race
right, because it represented america dumbass

>>11977844
fucking hate these types of people

>Nigeria's space program is far too black and male to represent the human race

Think how retarded that sounds

>>11977849
it's like he totally missed the point of the space race which was slapping commies about.

>>11977852
these are the type of people that spanish anon was talking about...

>>11977843
That's my suspicion given that the rocket had to land at an angle due to the offset engine. That would've placed significant stress on the legs along the direction of the leaning. I doubt the body is to blame, because if that were damaged then the pressurized tanks would've burst.

>>11977853
>Berg
No, he knows exactly what it was about. He's just mad his side lost.

>>11977844
is this what it takes to give a compliment to a white man these days? Christ

>>11977844
why's it gotta be every single time man

>>11977844

>>11977862
>>11977861
he must be mentally compromised to seriously think turning the USA into an extension of mexico but ruled by a communist government will help speed up scientific progress...

>>11977868
He's a Jew, anon. They've been trying to prop up China and destroy the US for decades. I can go into a ton of detail on the hows and whys, but that's /pol/ material.

>>11977844
Stop giving attention to those subversive (((people)))

>Weather could postpone Crew Dragon return
https://spacenews.com/weather-could-postpone-crew-dragon-return/

fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqzSVEGVxw
rocket lab event in under 3 hours
>Tune in to a live webcast with Rocket Lab’s CEO and founder Peter Beck to hear an update on Rocket Lab’s launch activity, reusability, and satellite programs. Plus, live Q&A with viewers.

>>11977877
lol

>>11977877
You know it already landed, right?

>>11977877
uhhhhh

>>11977877
are you alright anon

>>11977877

>no port for logistics and sealifting
Hard to associate competence with how the development of the Boca Chica spaceport is proceeding

>>11977879
Give that anon a break. He's shitposting from Mars.

>>11977877
final shuttle mission soon!

>>11977844
Just report the tweet.

What would an /sfg/ starship clone be like and how can we build one on our budget?

>>11977844
Marsrael when?

>>11977885
SpaceX is looking in to offshore launch platforms.

I wonder what the control center of a starship would be like. Would it require the same amount of screens as say, a crew dragon? Or would it be more complicated.

>>11977877
I guess weather could postpone Crew Dragon's return, but that's still a few months away

>>11977891

>>11977891
>What would an /sfg/ starship clone be like
Non functional.
>and how can we build one on our budget?
Sneak on to a farm and duct tape some cardboard fins to a grain silo.

>>11977899
from Eagles to Dragons, not bad

>>11977877
Anon, might wanna drop Internet Explorer if it's that slow

>>11977844
To be fair, US has come a LONG away from the 60s and 70s. The current racism complaints are mostly outliers and statistical in nature rather than real racism. The racism of 60s/70s was real with lot of hangings/segregations/open/hostile racism.

>>11977891
Arguably starship already is developed by /sfg/ since several of the people involved with the design of starship and construction of prototypes have posted on /sfg/.

>>11977906
>Sneak on to a farm and duct tape some cardboard fins to a grain silo.
>Imblying cardboard wouldn’t work in space

>>11977910
Maybe the Mars mission will probably have the eponymous God on them.

>>11977915
>Imblying cardboard would work in space

>>11977913
Should we ask them what is today's froyo flavor?

>>11977902
>An engineer turned ranch owner who had to retire to save his family farm, has never given up his dream of space travel and tries to build his own rocket, despite the government's threats to stop him.
Yes.

>>11977916
*missions

>>11977891

>>11977902
what is this?

>>11977926
The Astronaut Farmer.

>>11977930
uh can you explain more indepth?

>>11977932
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469263/

>>11977932
See >>11977922. It's about an astronaut trainee who had to leave training due to family matters, but he decided to make his own rocket to complete his dream. I haven't seen it yet, but it seems fun with some interesting technical stuff.

>>11977913
I have a humanities degree and zero applicable skills beyond an IQ in the 140s, some welding/metalworking experience, and a Scott Manley/Estronaut-tier (or greater) autistic layman's understanding of rocketry and spaceflight. How do I get a job at SpaceX?

>>11977941
seems corny

>>11977943
How do you have a humanities degree with an IQ of 140? I smell lies

>>11977944
it's a pg film from the 00s. it's to watch with your young family.

Is China the future of space flight since they don't have to deal with elections every 2 years? If so, how long will it take them to reach parity with American rocketry?

>>11977741
Elon tweets have directed more people to aerospace engineering degrees than 50 years of NASA outreach garbage

>>11977950
China's space program is far too Asian and male to represent the human race.

>>11977949
This, it even has big rocket = big penis jokes for the ladies.

>>11977944
It is.

>>11977891
Similar grain silo construction, poor man's hypergolics (ethanol and high test peroxide) pressure fed into a simple ablative-cooled engine using helium pressurization.

>>11977956
If I had a nickel for every time I run into a penis joke in the aerospace industry, then I could afford a ride on Dragon 2.

>>11977950
the villager pillager is only good for chemical deforestation and population control.

>>11977953
It also helps that spaceX is hiring people who have not much experience compared to other companies.

>we want young talented people. in our company
>also has to have XX years of expierence
that kind of shit is less of a problem with spaceX

>>11977948
I originally wanted to be a doctor, but I hate biology majors and so I did a fine arts degree because I like working with my hands and knocked out my prereqs on the side. My favorite prereqs were orgo and biochem.

>>11977964
>we want young talented people. in our company
>also has to have XX years of expierence
One time I saw a position for a valve fitter for an (non-SpaceX) aerospace company with a minimum requirement of 20 years of experience. Just for a job that covers picking valves to buy and screwing them in.

How do Musklets cope?

>>11977953
Nasa should be directed to build things that fly, and do what ever it takes to make it happen. Not be used as a general sciences and social engagement program.

>>11977966
Also, it was the late 00s when SpaceX hadn't even gotten to orbit and engineering students all said to avoid aerospace engineering like the plague because that major was nothing but a ticket to being an $80k a year cubicle monkey at Lockheed or Pratt and Whitney designing F-35 landing gear actuators or optimizing compressor blades over a period of years.

>>11977973
By liking the rocket that has actually flown. Wasn't the SLS due for its Green Run in 2014?

>>11977973
that's an expensive tankfarm you have there.

>>11977973
>Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11977973
By actually flying.

>>11977973
Post your SLS launch

so all these small rocket companies are kill once starship is going?

>>11977982
kek

>>11977993
they are kill already.

>>11977993
all kill

>>11977998
What motivates them to work knowing this.

>everyone all eggs in one basket muh rockets
>no one making landers/space stations/vehicles
>will end up with several rockets lifting nothing to orbit because there is nothing to lift

aaaaaaaaa

>>11977973
SLS should have been a kerolox 1st stage using either 4 RD-170s or those F1 2.0s that Rocketdyne proposed, pushing a shuttle-derived cryogenic upper stage powered by an RS-68 or two into near-orbit. Maybe with added SRBs for the heavy variant.

>>11977993
what about rocket lab

>>11977993
Not only rocket companies, when starship starts shitting out close to a thousand starlink sats per launch in LEO with every flight they could pretty much destroy shitty internet providers world wide too.
Musk is making new enemy's every day.

>>11977742
Why don't we just give them more money so they can do both?

>>11978000
Clout, sweet sweet VC money, and burnishing their resumes for when they go bust and have to apply to jobs at SpaceX or Blue Origin.

>>11978004
SLS shouldn't have been

Today is dead for space news, wtf?

>>11978000
government bux

>>11978003
perfect opportunity to start companies building everything people need in space that isn't rockets (which is a vast number of things).

>>11978003
ISS will need to be replaced in the next two decades, and when you have a heavy lifter that can put 150Ton in LEO for next to nothing then you already have a decent amount of work right there.

How do we kill SoyX and force them to hand everything over to by NASA governmentbros?

>>11978014
its been a busy week

>>11977987
>SLS launch
There hasn't been enough Boing tears produced to pressurize it yet.

>>11977973
One of those has flown, the other has spent half a year letting the foam rot away in the test stand at Stennis.

>>11978024
You jump off a very high bridge, make sure its several hundred feet high

excellent HD video of the hop; with commentary from the spacexers in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzXtviOJskw

>>11971810
>>11971813
The Russian ISS Nauka module is getting it's outer shell.

>>11978039
>they forget to remove it

>>11978036
>this is the future of spaceflight

>>11978039
NEW MODULE

NEW MODULE

NEW MODULEEEEEE

fuck I'm hyped, then after this, maybe the next large installation on station will be an Axiom module

>>11978018
Even the rocket business needs suppliers. Look at how many engines you can buy off the shelf if you are building a new plane. I can see lots of countries and businesses wanting access to space at SpaceX prices but not being allowed to use them for one reason or another. Specialise in one element of rocketry and become the best.

>>11978045
no the next module will be an permanently attached starship

How the fuck does anyone plan to get to Mars without a gravity ring? We already know spending more than 6 months in space will likely blind you, let alone cause extreme atrophy. If we can't figure out the technology to do it then it seems unlikely that we'll ever go further than the Moon. Unless we haul an asteroid around with us.

>>11978050
God imagine, is there actually some possibility of that? It would expand ISS internal volume by an insane degree

Is it actually sensible to develop a special Starship to function as a permanent new module on the ISS?

>>11978045
The Russians have more modules they plan on adding soon.

>>11978049
>I can see lots of countries and businesses wanting access to space at SpaceX prices but not being allowed to use them for one reason or another.
How hard is it to not spy for China?

>>11978057
>We already know spending more than 6 months in space will likely blind you, let alone cause extreme atrophy
>"Russian cosmonaut Valery Polyakov spent nearly 438 consecutive days aboard the Mir space station, from January 1994 to March 1995. "

>>11978057
two starships, connected with a cable

>>11978057
Starship is big enough that installing a pair of counter-rotating internal artificial gravity rings like the one on Discovery in 2001 would actually be feasible.

>>11978065
>this was his insignia
What would an Afghan Space Program look like?

>>11978057
>We already know spending more than 6 months in space will likely blind you
No? Multiple people have spent more then a year in space.

>>11978058
no, because starships could make the ISS obsolete essentially as it could create stations far larger then the ISS for the same price. the ISS will be kept alive though until at least 2030 for political reasons

>>11977913
>first orbital Starship has the 4ASS logo on the side
>first unmanned test flight of crew Starship has a 2hu plushie as a gravity sensor
I'd lol, but mostly I want Starship to be cheap so 4ASS can launch meme sats, whether it's the frog hab or crackpot non-chemical propulsion tests (plasma magnet sail, horizon drive, emdrive, etc.).

>>11978004
You're basically describing the Vulcan, except it uses methalox BE-4s for the first stage and is going to re-fly them. There's even a Vulcan Heavy being proposed with a Falcon Heavy type three-first-stages layout.

>>11978068
This. Two starships with the noses facing inwards with a cable.

>>11978057
>We already know spending more than 6 months in space will likely blind you
uhhuh
>>11978049
problem is like starting any successful company is if you're a poorfag like us there isn't much scope to get from idea to prototyping, beyond garage shit that as soon as you demo it gets stolen by a company that can.

>>11978090
>There's even a Vulcan Heavy being proposed with a Falcon Heavy type three-first-stages layout.

I don't see any hardware for a Vulcan Heavy, except that he's going to take three Vulcan's and put them together and that becomes the Heavy It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11978090
i unironically think that the power of lobbying will keep ULA alive long enough to get a starship copy in service by the early to mid 2030s. until then vulcan with smart reuse will be pretty cool though, especially since its gonna have an epic methalox exhaust plume

>>11978057
ISS = ~0%.
Mars = ~38%
Moon = ~15%

Mars isn't ISS. Effects of health is worse than on ISS than Moon or Mars. Even so, they're slightly negligible for ~6 months period. The space journey might be bit of an issue but its not a show stopper. The longest we've had human stay on ISS was over a year. People on ISS can still be rehabilitated and fixed within a month or so of arrival on earth. They can do the same/fast on Mars due to lower G.

>>11977333
mexicans built that?!

I don't see any hardware for a Vulcan Heavy, except that he's going to take three Vulcans and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry. Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen it down at Hawthorne. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Kennedy.

>>11978039
For anyone wondering "nauka" means "science".

>>11978113
Ahem.
>I don't see any hardware for a Vulcan Heavy, except that he's going to take three Vulcans and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry. Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen the Tesla in orbit. We're building a reusable core stage. We have all the side cores done, ready to be launched and landed at Kennedy.

>>11978039
I am more doubtful of this thing ever flying than I am of the JWST or SLS

>>11978086
To put it into perspective, assuming a Starship costs about 150 million, you could devote one thousand Starships to constructing a space station to match the cost of the ISS. Since one Starship is about equal to the habitable volume of the ISS, for the cost of the ISS you could construct a Starship station with one thousand times the habitable internal volume, or one million m^3.

>>11978130
It's red and red goes fasta, tho.

>>11978039
All according to keikaku (keikaku means plan).

>>11978131
>StarStation has a long central tube of ISS style modules connected by six-node connectors
>four nodes of each six-node are occupied by a Starship
>the entire station rotates
You could just keep adding Starships four at a time until you had a ghetto O'Neill cylinder.

>>11978131
Stop! I'm on nofap.

orbital hop when

>>11978138
>>11978139
>>11978131
Even better, you could launch 20 meter diameter inflatable sections instead.

Here's your new NASA administrator, say something nice about him!

>>11978144
He looks awfully similar. I wonder where I know him from.

>>11978080
>What would an Afghan Space Program look like?

The inflatable habitation modules are stitched together from goat skins, the rocket engine internals are made with hand files by guys in tents in the Khyber Pass (and somehow still work), and the spent boosters use grid fins to steer themselves into the nearest UNESCO world heritage site.

>>11978144
Lets be honest here. SLS is real. I've seen it in Michoud. Starship is a paper rocket.

>>11978144
>Bolden compared the Constellation Program to a stillborn baby calf extracted from a camel's womb by U.S. Marines. Bolden said, "We've got some stillborn calves around, and we have got to figure out ways to help each other bring them back to life."

>>11978153
So basically 4ASS with goats instead of frogs.

>>11978144
N

>>11978159
ICE GUY

>>11977742
SLS can't money from Europa Clipper because they're in entirely different budget lines. Science missions are totally separate from manned space flight.

>>11977352
>YOU ARE HERE
>until I see a full prototype fly
>until I see Superheavy fly
>until starship carries humans
>until starship carries humans beyond Earth
>until starship lands on Mars
>until there's a permanent base on Mars
>until Mars declares independence
>until the Martian navy retakes Phobos
>wait that's a really bright shooting star
>aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA

>>11978160
ER

>>11977982
>Let's be very honest again. We do have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. SLS may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen it down at Hawthorne. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the launch pad at Kennedy... I don't see any hardware for an SLS, except that he's going to take Shuttle parts and put them together and that becomes the SLS. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>11978142
q1 2021

What does the term microgravity actually mean. Like I understand that it isn’t “zero gravity” up in the ISS. If you built a tower all the way up to the ISS altitude you would still feel most of Earth’s gravity. But why do they call it MICROgravity when you’re orbiting a body and floating around?

>>11978164
when spacex lands humans on mars in 2020 a good amount of the anti-elon types and doomers will unironically kill themselves

>>11978171
>But why do they call it MICROgravity when you’re orbiting a body and floating around?
Because anything with mass will have gravity, and an astronaut is still surrounded by a spacecraft.

>>11978138
>>11978139
I was thinking of twenty-five Starship rosettes linked together in four rings around a central boom, two rotating clockwise and two rotating counterclockwise. These rosettes would in turn form a giant super-rosette of ten spokes extending from a fixed central hub. The area between the spokes can be fields of solar collectors on one side and radiators on the other, with battery packs in between.
Such a large station can easily be used as a starport, shipyard, depot, permanent large scale habitat, and staging area for other megaconstructs. New Starships and larger future vehicles can deliver bulk raw materials to the station where they can then be assembled in space into larger purpose built modules, large interplanetary ships, etc.

>>11978143
>>11978181
Don't tempt me.

>>11978157
I was going to say that the manned capsules shaped like ICBM re-entry vehicles, that don't have parachutes, and that all seem to have the Knesset building
seleci as their landing zone might be a little different, but 4ASS might have those covered as well...

>>11978178
Oh woah that’s actually really cool. Do things noticeably attract on the ISS? I know Hullo had a video about trying to orbit the ISS but it’s been so long I can’t remember the conclusion he reached.

Also dumb question but if I were just orbiting the earth in a spacesuit with nothing else around me would they still call it microgravity? I’m not really being attracted to anything in my vicinity.

what does liquid oxygen taste like?
what does liquid hydrogen taste like?

>>11978194
the frozen components of what once was your head

OP here, I didnt expect the thread to allready have hit bump-limit within 4 hours!

>>11977912
leave redditor

>>11978194
Probably like a frozen tongue. Although they both probably have a “taste”. For example, CO2 is described as “odorless” but if you’ve ever worked with dry ice you KNOW that it has an unmistakable smell, and when you’re around a lot of sublimated gas you know it has a taste (kind of tastes and smells like sparkling water? it’s hard to describe)

Anyways i’m sure hydrogen and oxygen are the same. If we got a huge frozen block of it and inhaled the gas it would probably have a nice taste

>>11978214
>huge frozen block of hydrogen

>>11978171
If I remember correctly, the treadmill/s on the ISS couldn't be mounted to the station because the footstep vibrations would/could comprise the microgravity.

>>11978194
Next you're going to ask what ClF3 tastes like.

>>11978187
Yes, and once it's been supplied with a couple of kilotons of necessary bulk material you can stop it's rotation and use the spokes as a skeleton, you'll stretch out huge sheets of stiff sheets of para-aramid fiber over the underlying metal structure, use air-tight zippers to seal them up and then quickly stud weld aluminum or steel plates over them. Afterwards you can inject common commercial insulation foam between the two layers to act as whipple shielding and insulation both. Once air tight you can construct inner walls and structurally sound bulkheads, once the construction is done you'll have a space station with the volume of a small city.

>>11978225
>he hasn't eaten a fresh slice of meta-stable metallic hydrogen

>>11978225
Bonk, I forgot about superfluids. Oh well, we could still try to taste superfluid hydrogen. It would probably diffuse through your mouth or do some other weird quantum shit

>Solid hydrogen has a density of 0.086 g/cm3 making it one of the lowest-density solids.
why aren't we making rockets out of this bros?
consumable structure hydrogen SRBs when?

>>11978131
>Since one Starship is about equal to the habitable volume of the ISS

>>11978240
imagine the size of the orange rocket
get this man a cost plus

>>11977359
Biden will not be elected but aside from this you are correct.

>>11978225
>he's never had hydrogen popsicles

>he thinks Orion will be allowed to be deded after just being maded

lel

>>11978272
If anything orion will still be used, albeit on different rockets though. Literally what is the purpose of SLS (besides keeping people employed). NASA could have just killed shuttle and told everyone to fuck off. Also WHAT IS THE POINT OF ARTEMIS. I’m not against going back to the Moon... but it just seems like there’s no real goal other than planting a flag.

>>11978194
Extremely cold permadeath.

>Moon and Mars will both be American colonies
Other countries won't learn from this lesson.

>>11977562
He's accomplished basically nothing.

>>11978171
there's a very tiny differential in gravity from one end of the ISS to the other I guess

>>11978225
>>11978238
thats helium you dumdums, hydrogen freezes just fine at normal pressure if you get it below 11k

>>11978304
WWIII will be US vs China over moon/mars colony

>>11977492
This.

Space travel is either ancap or fascist. Socialist space ambitions died with Bolshevism.

>>11978319
I can imagine that small (non-military) space communities being collectivist in some way. It would be neat to see how diverse the kinds of space organizations would become.

>a fucking water tower

>>11978318
>WWIII
Embargo, wait 10-20 years, remove embargo.

>>11978287
they will find one edge case where it can perform better than starship and massively oversell it

>>11978343
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20190031985.pdf

The absolute state of Apollo 9
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Logos_of_Apollo_missions

What are the oceans of Venus like?

>>11978318
>WWIII will be US vs China over moon/mars colony
We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this nation or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the Earth, armed and guarded by the Space Force, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New Worlds, with all their power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.