/sci/ - Science & Math

pointless thread, it's not hopping for another week

Texas Tanks don’t RUD

Post anime bunny girls to summon the H O P!

reminder, the raptor is offset - we're gonna see an Atlas 411-like POWERSLIDE

>>11970354
Damn that's a nice picture. It's a rough piece of work but it actually does look like a rocket.
Reminds me of an unpainted plane. It's beautiful.

>>11970365
t. hoplet
You're not going to make it.

>>11970382
Kinoshot

>>11970354
https://imgur.com/a/WZyj7Ou
These are some nice views of the Boca Chica sites, for additional perspective.

F for weldinganon who was probably fired, doesn't get to watch the hop in person

>>11970388
Goodnight my sweet TIG prince

photo from 7/30 of the pads

hoping we get a comfy official stream

>>11970456
They did one for starhopper, I assume they’ll throw one up last minute

>>11970375
Correct, but my figuring the power slide will not be as extremely obvious. Landing will be interesting, tipover is definitely possible.

Venting started slowly

Starship Launch System gets closer to reality

>>11970365
cant wait for the screencap

EDA stream for good measure (another view, great quality)
https://youtu.be/8ux_t7R-heM

>>11970477
Someone post that NSF screencap collection about them believing that starhopper was just a water tower.

>>11970490
now it's not only lights, water tower, lunch canopy, speaker stand, but also weather station and PA system

>>11970354
>At the very last second Elon gets on the announcer, and after a minute of autistic stuttering declares that Starship is in fact fully operational and he lied about it needing to do any more hops.
>Starship launches into orbit and then decelerates down onto Congress like a meteor.
>Elon declares himself Emperor of all Earth.

>>11970498
> turns out The Boring Company has been secretly making underground rocket factories, like Peenemünde for the V-2
> vast fleets of starships emerge for the takeover

Hop hop

To recap, here's Starhopper from a year ago/ Hopefully beautiful hop once more.

hop hop

>>11970388
F

Hops are tops

>>11970516
and this was SN4 not too long ago
https://youtu.be/vIh4aLX3cZQ

>>11970506
>Mars declared independence
>Musk admits to being a white supremacist
>COME HOME WHITE MARTIAN

>>11970523
Man it's like watching the 50s/60s tests but in modern times.

we are go! T-57mins

>>11970523
Goodnight sweet prince.
I wonder if they reused the coils of steel from that first mass sim.

>>11970528
would be funny if today was another Mercury-Redstone 1 like 4-inch flight then abort

>>11970530
source your claims you raging fucknut

What's the point of this? I thought rockets could already do things more complicated than this.

>>11970541
yeah but this one is literally made by Mexican welders out in the open / in tents, with the goal of 1,000X reduction in launch costs. And it's powered by the world's most sophisticated/advanced rocket engine (debatable)

>>11970537
no

>>11970537
maybe he's actually elon

Why is the mass sim not offset so the gimbal doesn't have to do retarded things.

>2 hours left
not gonna make it

>>11970549
Does that increase or decrease the 1 in 100 chance of exploding? Reliability has always been the issue with rockets.

>>11970541
The point is testing this specific rocket. They want to mass produce these things.

>>11970557
yeah, it takes like an hour to load etc? Although they can always just ask for a road closure extension. The TFR lasts a while longer

>>11970554
How would they test the limits of the gimbal?

>>11970549
It’s funny to think how many millions (if not billions) of dollars have been spent on hydrolox engine r&d. From the shuttle engines to Delta’s rs-28’s... yet out of left field comes spacex and blue origin who whip up these strange methane engines seemingly immediately

>>11970523
>>11970516

>>11970567
hydrolox is harder

liquid methane is in the same ballpark as liquid oxygen wrt density and temperate, hydrogen is not

>>11970570
>hopper still standing strong

>>11970566
Gimbal can be tested on the stand. Why complicate a test, Real starships won;t actually do this.

>>11970567
Oldspace ISP autism is a powerful force. Also, up until 2000 or so, if you cared about keeping tankage weights down in rocketry, you went with hypergolics. Methalox has really risen to prominence due to hypergolic fuels falling out of favor.

>>11970579
Real starships will perform much more demanding maneuvers

>>11970570
>son i am disapoint

>>11970572
Oh yeah I know. Hydrogen is a devil to deal with (especially because it’s so thin it can quite literally leak out of any solid container trying to contain it). It’s just crazy to see these methane engines that promise high reusability and can lift more than an SLS ever could (if engineered correctly, which both Raptor and BE-4 seem to be)

>>11970582
Also, Columbia really shined a light on the difficulties and failings of hydrolox, which was why so many startup companies like SpaceX and rocket lab have gone with the less powerful, but far simpler kerolox.

>>11970579
>Real starships won;t actually do this.
In normal operation.

>>11970588
the performance is secondary to reusability, robustness, etc. The goal is re-using and re-flying quickly; the good thrust etc is just a nice topping. you can bet that if -5% performance resulted in +10% less refurb elon would jump on it

BIRDS

Just build nuclear rockets already holy shit retards.

>>11970588
We need a movement in spaceflight to reject the Devil's bipropellant. The era of hydromeme is at an end.

>>11970597
musk has said they would if NASA provides the testing site with scrubber equipment. regulations a shit

>>11970597
They already have engine down. Its now a matter of testing structural integrity. And YES, we know that they can do it if they spend more money and in clean room. But this is Elon experimenting with how cheap they can do it and get away with.

>>11970597
Uh hello? BASED?

>>11970593
Oh for sure. I’m glad private aerospace has had the opportunity to flourish (especially in the united states, where these larger projects are supported by things like NASA and the DoD). The chase for ISP and hydrogen was so blatantly retarded. Hydrolox first stages like Delta heavy can barely lift their own weight. Reusability is a great tradeoff for slightly less performance

VENTING YEEEEEEEEEEES

>>11970590
To be fair, the Columbia disaster was more a failure of the SLS system and not as much a failure of hydrolox. Shuttle was a terrible design, but at least it allows entities like spacex to learn from old space mistakes.

They're almost out of time. What's taking so long?

Venting happening

>>11970612
Maybe they'll hop at the last possible second.

>>11970608
hydrolox is ok for upper stages but anything else its retarded

>>11970612
Them boys got two hours, texas time. It’ll launch I tell ya hwhat

>>11970619
Nah, FUG HYDOLOGS

>>11970616

>>11970620
Hank Hill bring us good luck

>>11970530
>>11970550
T-35m, hold on to your butts

>>11970601
>We need a movement in spaceflight to reject the Devil's bipropellant. The era of hydromeme is at an end.

PLHFB is the future of rocketry

Propulsive
Landing
Hypergolic
Flyback
Boosters

THE REAL HOP IS THE FRIENDS WE MADE ALONG THE WAY

>>11970620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLeAot4Zrxo

>>11970631
thanks elon

possibilities?
>explodes on liftoff
>explodes in air
>explodes on landing
>abort on ignition
>engine fails in flight, falls and blows up
>landing legs fail
>goes off-course and is detonated (can they even?)
>scrub before T-0

>>11970640
Meteor hits
Earth quake hits
Salt water causes short

>>11970640
works flawlessly, suck my dick

HALF AN HOUR
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290427983727964160

>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290427983727964160
>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290427983727964160
AHHHHHH WE'RE ON LADS

>>11970645
>>11970646
Elon just fucking post in the thread you little shit.

>>11970640
Flies perfectly, landing directly ontop of Jeff Bezos.

>>11970530
>he was spot-on
spooky

>>11970650
>>11970652

>>11970631
Does Elon feed you guys Whataburger? It's a real serious crime here in Texas if he doesn't.

>>11970595
>inb4 rocket explodes from birdstrike

>>11970650
optics are too bad,love you guys though

>>11970645
Ah crap now I've got to stay up until 0100. THANKS A LOT ELON

LMAO, Tour Bus came along to watch this shit

>>11970635
I hate how nobody outside of Australia knows who Jimmy Barnes is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUGlWCCVA4M

>>11970662
wouldn't' you go out if you were close by?

>>11970579
>>11970591
I'm very interested in how Starship will handle landing testing without bending

If Elon tweets out a frog emoji we will know he was actually here

>>11970530
>he's gone
extra spooky

>>11970677
BROS HE’S ONLY HERE BC WELDING ANON EXPOSED HIMSELF

>>11970680
I'm calling it, it was Zeus

>>11970681
Link to his posts?

>>11970684
I’ll post them in /sfg/ if you ask again tomorrow. I don’t want to fuck over welding anon or tip him off on the off chance that was actually Elon posting here

>>11970684
I think his posts were deleted.

>>11970684
They got shoah'd

>>11970530
Hey buddy you know /sci/ is archived on third-party sites, right?

>>11970688
>>11970687
They should be in the archive?

Elon can't acknowledge he comes here because he recently tweeted out a book recommendation that literally has a chapter that's just straight race realism and doesn't want anyone to notice

>>11970693
I would assume so.

>>11970675
I've been wondering a lot about metal fatigue in the steel. Maybe they will do some longevity testing where they pressurize and depressurize the tanks multiple times like they did with the Comet jet in the 50's.

>>11970693
I would think so but I think the mods deleted them for good. I don’t want to expose anything that needs to be kept secret. (it’s literally just pics of the test tanks but still, the anon went out of his way to ask for them to be deleted)

>>11970702
of course anon. thermal and stress cycling testing is routine.

>>11970705
Give me some terms you remember to search the archives

RAPTOR IS VENTING

SN5 venting out the side

>>11970711
RAPTOR IS VENTING

I need to finish my manuscript edits but I'm too distracted with this

>>11970717

OH SHIT RUD

>>11970717
Damn kids these days and their vapes

>>11970530
>>11970631
I bet he thinks his posts are gone

STARSHIP JUST HOPPED OVER MY HOUSE

Mods this needs a sticky. Elon's word on a hop in 15 min.

>>11970706
Probably a lot harder to test reentry forces without actually going through it. I suppose when they get a vehicle that has gone through a few rounds they will ultrasound the whole thing as a precaution.

>Mods this needs a sticky.

umm... what's if the SN5 flies directly into the control room and blows everyone up? then what?

double vent action

Old man voice on labpadre stream is kino, in a science teacher kind of way. Mysterious elon poster. Starship hop. Welderman. Today is a good day bros

HULLO

Why does it need to vent?

Hullo in Padre stream

HULLO I'M MAD AT FLORIDA

>>11970736
Then I wouldn't be surprised if we see Senator Shelby sneaking away from the launch pad carrying a tool bag.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290427983727964160?s=19
20 minutes ago

>>11970736
then everyone posts F in the thread

>>11970740
Hullo on labpadre now, Jim mentioning starship by name and showing his true power level. Boats trying to sabotage space missions across the globe. What is going on

>>11970744
BRRRAAAAAPPPPP

>>11970744
Hard to pump liquids into a vacuum.

>>11970702
I wondered about the square holes cut in the SNs for that exact reason

If dubs it launches but it loses control and explodes midair

hullo has cursed the launch

>>11970735
>redditboi meme #234234234

SIREN

SIREN

T-Minus 10 min

>>11970744
Tanks press, liquids go in, pressure increases, gasses vent as volume is taken up by liquids

siren

>>11970744
Maybe to cool it via PV=nRT

>>11970757

AHHHHHH
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WEE WOO WEE WOO

What stream are you guys watching? LabPadre, NasaSpaceFlight, or Estronaut?

>>11970776
lab and nasaspaceflight

>>11970768
>>11970758
Thanks for the info.
>>11970755
Thanks for the laugh

>>11970776
both labpadre streams

Im fully erected
You better hop

1 year in the making

LETS FUCKING GOOO

>>11970776
yes

>>11970772
Yes

is there a stream without onions commentary?

HOPP HOPP HOOP HOOPP

It's going to blow up, their weld joints aren't good enough

MOTHER QUICKLY, FETCH THE DAGUERROTYPE!

>>11970788
just mute them all lmao, but the chad thing is having NSF/labP/EDA all on separate monitors

>>11970791
Flex tape it.

a little hop to the left

>>11970788
lol no, what do you think this is

>>11970785

>>11970791
It already passed pressurization tests and did a static fire.

>>11970785
BBRRRRAAAAaaaaP

THE FUTURE
IT BEGINS

>>11970798
Enough stress to create microfissures

UUUUUUGHHHH OH FUCK IM GONNA...IM GONNA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

>>11970788
They usually shut the fuck up once it starts making noise

tfw want to see it hop, land, and then some random leg snap so we still get a boom but it's a successful boom

You will believe a grain silo can fly.

Will final SS vent this much shit, or will it be connected to tubes

Can't believe it's happening anons. First full stack launch I'm going to be there in person, CV or not. I'll buy a fucking boat and sail there from the UK if I have to

Elon should allow marketing companies to paint advertisements on the test articles.

>>11970810
You fool, this one is the monster can
*siiiip*

GIVE THE CYLINDER YOUR ENERGY
\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/

>no SpaceX stream

it's gonna smash to the ground

>>11970812
I imagine the latter. I mean, it's just a prototype.

>>11970804
Steel is a lot stronger than your asshole after your boyfriend fucks it

>>11970806
thank fuck for that

It's the beginning, were gonna make it to the stars...

>>11970818
They don't like streaming these

>>11970817
NO DON'T STOP. YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BLOW UP.

>>11970816
ORBITAL TALLBOY
BEER DEPOT

They'll detect loss of pressure and scrub it, it won't fly, guys

>>11970821
my arsehole has better elastic deformation that steel.

>>11970826
They streamed hopper though

\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/

>>11970831
Did they?
Fuck it's been a awhile

>>11970832
OwO

It won't work. Engine will stop midflight and either explode or fall down and then blow up.

OH GOD OH FUC I'M GONNA COOM

>>11970824
>to the shtars bowen, to the shtars.

AWWWW YEAH

ONE MINUTE
OH FUCKKKKKKK

let's hope it was worth the weight

it will fly but it will tip over and SPLAT

ROCKET DEVIL I OFFER YOU MY ENERGY

>richard shelby is sending his boing bots to demoralize the test

they keep talking about how many views and likes, like it's about them and not the rocket, fucking cringe

>>11970830
I think you are far into the plastic deformation phase there bud

READY FOR HOP

>>11970846
The stream that has Hullo is good

ELON FUCKING START AN OFFICIAL LIVESTREAM

ELON JUST TWEET

SCRUBBED

>>11970847
>bud
At this point, it's a fully opened flower that's already been pollinated.

>>11970846
labpadre has much better commentary atm

DETANKING

ITS HOOP TIME

:(

>>11970852
>detanking

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

hullo, when we hop?

DETANK HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

FAIL

Fun is canceled guys, evryone go home

????

>>11970866
Never

HOP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I CANT WAIT ANY LONGER

=(

HOW DARE YOU VENT WHEN MY BALLS CANNOT

>>11970829
Called it, guys

HOP NEVER SPACEX IS OVER ITS ALL OVER FAIL FAIL FAIL

Temporary abort during first startup attempt.

>>11970867
Imagine the type of vile, literal no lifer, that actually types this. Scary thought.

I have faith

Just wanted a big boom.

what does "recycle" mean?

>>11970705
mods don't control the archives, and anon deleted his posts himself
the posts still exist

>>11970876
How did you know anon

>detanking
CROCK OF SHIT

FUCK YOU ELON AAAAAAAAA

>>11970882
They may try again, like the last static fire

>>11970854
Working on it, give me a second

>>11970882
They're gonna try to go again today, if so

I'M GUNNA

I'M GUNNA


DETAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK

Elon = Fraud
Elon = Not Engineer
Elon = Cheerleader
Elon = Liar
Elon = Donald Trumper

>>11970891
Based Elon, thanks

>>11970892
not enough time probably. Doubt the issue will just go away if they try again

fucksake lads. I'm off to bed

>>11970883
Weld joints

>>11970882
It means circulate the propellants, rechill them and refill the tanks. Double vent is indicative of recycling because it means liquid is being drained from both tanks.

>>11970901
>he's gonna miss it

>>11970898
You = Ethnic Jew

where are the things legs? how's it supposed to land?

>>11970900
They've done testing into the night before, outside the bounds of stated road closures

Livestream not starting was already a good indication

>>11970907
They are folded underneath the lower skirt

>>11970904
Yeah I know. Don't rub it in

>>11970908
this time there is a TFR regulating things.

>>11970902
Then how did the static happen last week?

Why isn't there a flare if they're using methane?

>>11970889
>>11970892
>>11970903
thanks guys, i thought i would only get meme replies

>>11970914
They've stopped using flare for a while

>>11970907
It's under the skirt section of the ship.

>>11970910
huh, that's neat

>>11970898
You think nice guys build rockets?

>>11970909
this

for fuck's sake Elon

>>11970914
Recondenser, uses boiling of liquid nitrogen to condense methane vapors. Nitrogen can be vented to atmosphere no issue.

>>11970920
funny, those look really anemic

>>11970912
Doesn't it go later than the closure?

>>11970913
Static fire happened before enough heat cycles could have caused microfissures in the weld joints

>>11970929
road closure and TFR end at the same time

>>11970928
The legs basically fold out and extend. Like basically your run of the mill moon lander legs, but on the inside.

Spent an entire fucking day for this.

>>11970940
It’s not too late

>>11970920
>NSFW in a blue board
Enjoy the ban.

>>11970930
Makes sense. Damn.

Retanking

Tanks are filling up again!

>>11970928
They're made of many welded sheets of ~1 inch thick steel, they're tough

>>11970940
go back to watching anime

Tank farm activity. Still have 50 minutes left

>pleb anons bailed out early and are gonna miss the HOP
lmao

SHOOT YOUR GOO MY DUDE

Do you think the explosion will be bigger or smaller than SN4?

>>11970952
I guess it's easy to loose sense of scale here. still, compared to the main structure they look really small

DID I FUCKING MISS IT I DID DIDNT I FUCK FUKC FUCK FU CKFC UFK

https://youtu.be/Gl2pdV-1FRU

>>11970961
smaller

>>11970952
This is likely why it isn't working. Steel is very rigid, welds are very hard, it can't shrink down over night and expand during the day without cracking, especially when it's something that big

>>11970963
no

>>11970961
smaller, and controlled

Most people from SpaceX left and are no longer looking at the rocket. It's all ogre.

>>11970963
Yep, too late man already hopped to Mars and made humanity a multiplanetary species, you missed all of it.

>>11970964
honest to god chuckle

>>11970966
This is probably why Elon switched to a different alloy and got those welding robots.

>>11970965
>>11970971

>>11970966
>it can't shrink down over night and expand during the day without cracking
Uh, wrong. Source, heavy equipment with large inch-thick plates welded together in all sorts of ways can manage decades of thermal cycling with no problems.

>>11970976
It needs to be made in one piece, like a nuclear reactor vessel

Remember, pretty much every boeing, ula, labor union, and in general anti-spacex shill is out today.

>>11970966
>the absolute state of retards on this board

I think it’s actually done for the day now. Damn

>>11970982
Just post pictures of propellant depots, and it'll scare them off.

Have they fully dumped all the fuel yet?

>>11970966
The thermal expansion doesn't matter as long as the alloys in the bulk metal are close enough to the weld bead alloy, the welds aren't cracked to begin with, and the stresses that the welds encounter do not exceed the fatigue limit of the steel. Even if the stresses are large, if the fatigue limit is not exceeded, steel will never crack.

raptor started up but aborted

Why did they scrub it, weather?

>>11970991
Another boat strayed near the site.

>>11970986
I will MAKE IT illegal

>>11970991
engine issue probably

>>11970981
Massive punch-press forces a thick plate of steel through a die, the resulting cylinder goes on a mandrel and is turned to final outer diameter while the interior is trimmed, then the piece is loaded into another station that machines isogrid into the walls from the inside.

The reason its not working is because 13% of the gas content makes up for 53% of the crime.

>>11970978
>Source, heavy equipment with large inch-thick plates welded together in all sorts of ways can manage decades of thermal cycling with no problems

If they use expansion joints

>>11970987
they're refueling i believe

Scrubbed for good?

>>11971001
nobody knows shit

>>11970977
I meant controlled explosions for the purpose of spaceflight, pupper anon.

>>11970999
you only need expansion joints if it's bolted down on both ends

>>11971001
Yeah

>>11970990
This is the rocket equivalent of going to the loo to shit, only to find that it's a false alarm.

>>11971001
>>11971000
DEPOTS

>>11970988
Microfissures

This thing better not SCRUD

>>11971005
source?

>>11971015
My ass

>>11970990

Final abort

SPACEX HAVE EVACUATED

>>11970999
No, I'm talking about huge singe-piece vessels.
Specifically, a pre-steamer (all one piece) that's about 30 feet tall and 20 feet across that goes from room temperature during shutdowns in summer and as low as minus 40 celsius during winter shuts up to over 100 C during operation.

After 30 years and hundreds of shuts, no cracking or other damage (it's a pressure vessel and is x-rayed annually).

Also, at the same plant, the buckets on the front loaders in winter go through some severe thermal punishment, performing both snow removal duties and ash system removal (ashes and smoldering embers over 300 celsius) minutes apart.

>>11971007
If you're making a bridge, sure

If you have dozens of sheets bent and weld like that, it WILL crack just by existing. Doesn't need to be a big crack to cause anything to leak.

Scrubby the Launch Boat strikes again.

>>11971010
Won't be widened if stresses don't exceed fatigue limit.

>>11971028
t. von mises

>>11971027
How cool does the SN5 body get when they're venting/fueling/whatever?

>>11970990
>>11971019

ah screw this I'm going to bed
Thanks Elon

>>11971043
Cold enough to precipitate solid frost in August in Texas.

>>11971028
FUD

>>11971049
I’m holding out for an elon tweet

>>11971019
If it's an engine issue no way it's hopping today. But what? Raptors don't fail.

>>11971057
Might be sensor issues, or pump issues or timing issues.

>>11971049
launch in 10 minutes confirmed

>>11971043
Close to the temperatures of the propellants, kept slightly warmer through contact with the warm air outside

>>11971055
That's what they're going to say happened, either that or herp derp forgot to plug solenoid wires. It will be a very dumb mistake.

>>11971057
There might be absolutely nothing wrong with the engine, but it seems like they don't want to pop this can and so they've set the sensors to be ultra-touchy.

>waiting for this thing to fly for a few seconds
>even Elon doesn't give a fuck he's back in Hawthrone talking to the douche that came back from the ISS

>>11971057
>Raptors don't fail
we've never seen a super successful one yet, they're not quite done yet

I think vent activity has steadily decreased. Nothing from SN5 in a while. Don't think it's gonna happen.

inb4: it just blows up unexpectedly

Are they going to try again tomorrow morning?

>>11971058
If this is a ground issue. I'm gonna kill someone.

>>11971057
The hopper raptor failed

>>11971067
what

>>11971067
Elon is in Boca Chica waiting for the trashcan to fly, you're watching a rerun
>>11971071
yes

>>11971063
>Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
The era of rapid prototyping and innovation will be permanently remembered just like how we remember the first wave of affordable, mass produced personal road vehicles

OH GOD IM GONNA SCROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB

It still isn't official

>>11971083
It sort of is, no more venting and no flight restriction extension

>>11971083
Labpadre isn't any sort of official source, anon

>20 minutes left
>no venting
>no 10 minute warning
S C R U B B E D

>>11971083
It's all over but the crying.

It's over muskheads.. Big Daddy Bezos beat us again

>>11971093
>the BE-4 hasn't even flown yet
OH NO NO NO

>>11970776
All. Specially estronaut after yesterday's sperging when the boat surrounded Dragon KEK

>>11971093
Bezos is too busy fucking mexican whores to ever win the private space race

See you all tomorrow I guess
>hopper took 2 tries
>falcon heavy took two tries
>dm-2 took two tries

>>11971093
? lol

RAPTOR TURBOPUMP FAILED

AHAHAHAHAHAHA SCRUBBED
MuskBoys BTFO yet again

>>11971110
>>11971108
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1290448540821594114

These fuckin valves

musk: turbopump fail

>>11971108
the high pressure gas valve that is used to spin-start the turbopump didn't open
fucking valve issue

SCRUB-A-DUB

>>11971110
>yet again
again? When was the last time?

>>11971108
More like turboscrub

At least it’s just a valve, something that can be wiggled loose or replaced. Not some big GSE or structural problem etc.
Consider: they got literally to t-0 without a hitch otherwise! I have high hopes for tomorrow

>>11971115
FUCKING CALLED IT

>>11971063

>>11971124
It also means that auto-abort checks are working.

>>11971124
Then how did static fire happen? Hey Elon, if you're reading this, stop buying valves from aliexpress

>>11971124
It means that they can't even get the simplest of parts correct.

>>11971118
during one of the static fire attempts
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1287965692298268673

ULA sniper clipped the engine bell right as it was about to hop.

>>11971136
>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1287965692298268673
Not a good look for raptor.

>>11971135
>valve
>simplest of parts
wrong, valves suck and stop working for no reason all the fucking time

Still closer to flying than sls or new glenn.

>>11971143
Fuel spin valve issue happened last hurricane as well. So might be a remnant from that last time which might not have been fixed completely.

>>11971135
>valve dynamics
>simple
oh, anon

>>11971144
Yes, that's why replacing a valve with a burst disk solves a problem

fucking valve, man

>>11971146
>>11971142
this much cope lmao

>>11971153
Kind of hard to reuse an engine if you blow your load at takeoff and you cant restart it

>>11971153
>burst disks
When did we go back to the 1950's ?

>>11971159
When titanium ignited

>>11971157
But are they wrong?

>>11971159
When dragon detonated

>>11971165
who knows, I can promise you that this Starship or BFR or whatever it's called will NEVER be a functioning spacecraft.

>>11971159
somewhere around dragon pad abort test

>>11971171
Bet you might have said the same against usable rockets

>>11971171
You're right anon. We will never progress beyond the currently operating spacecraft.

>>11971177
"re-usable" rockets is not that complicated. You just recover it and shoot it up again after refurbishment. Since most launches involve so much expensive cargo/lives, why try to save a few shekels to make it re-usable?

Why isn't SLS ready? It looks almost done and they're reusing parts, meanwhile we're watching SpaceX build water tanks

>>11971189
>Since most launches involve so much expensive cargo/lives, why try to save a few shekels to make it re-usable?
Because it contributes to a self starting trap. Not alot can be done in space flight because launches are expensive, launches are expensive because the typical payloads are expensive and infrequent, typical payloads are expensive and infrequent because launches are expensive, and on... reusable and cheaper rockets can break out of this trap and allow more to happen in space when properly supported.

>>11971193
>SLS contractors' reaction when "Why isn't SLS ready?"

>>11971198
the reason costs are "so high" is because the buyer will pay quite a bit, they are mostly governments and large corporations. So saving a couple million with a refurbished rocket makes little difference. You are talking about a market demand that doesn't exist as of yet.

So what happened

>>11971210
Same could be said of the device you're using right now.

>>11971193
you'll see SLS in due time, just like you saw the Saturn V. NASA has been busy doing outstanding planetary exploration and galactic telescoping while Elon Musk was trying to scam people into buying electric cars with government subsidies on both the production and consumer end of the dildo.

>SpaceX soundtrack

>>11971193
>>11971201
Yep. They get more money the more they delay because its a cost-plus contract and senators wont abandon it due to sunken cost fallacy at play.

>>11971210
The reason why the primary buyers are governments and large corporations is because they're the only ones who can afford it due to the trap described above. Once that trap is destroyed, then the budget requirement to enter space will drop dramatically.

>>11971218
What is that capsule made of?

>>11971223
so if you had $100,000 and wanted to launch something to space, what would it be? Besides yourself.

>>11971270
Self-sustaining hamster colony

>>11971270
Twitch plays astrobiology with frogs in space.

>>11971226

sheer sneed power

>>11971226
tin

>>11971270
A $1 bill. That way, I can keep the other $99,999 to hopefully invest and make enough to send myself into space.

>>11971270
Invest in some good stonks, give myself a small loan of a million dollars and start my own space program.

The year is 2020 and NASA is still not using reusable rockets.

Why is that?

>>11971510
shuttle blew up and congress blows cocks

>>11971115
Didn‘t they have that same issue during the static fire before?

>>11971658
More or less

>wake up after sleeping all day
>STILL no fucking hop
HOP WHEN

>>11971682
Maybe tomorrow.

>>11970904
Jokes on you. It didn't hop

>>11970981
Wow. Actually surprised it isn't bigger.

>>11970981
It doesn't, the welds just have to be good enough for the operating conditions of the vehicle. Atlas-Centaur stage fuel tanks are still made with resistance welded stainless steel sheets, and they hold liquid hydrogen with a tank wall that's less than a millimeter thick.

LET'S BEGIN ONCE MORE

She's venting lads, here we go

this is the longest edging session