/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11958492
Have children.

>>11958505
People have children when they’re stupid and poor. They stop having children when they have options and freedom. Not sure how this can be reversed.

>>11958505
"No"

>>11958511
>Not sure how this can be reversed.


It needs to become more acceptable to have extended families/communities and have couples where not everyone works full time.

>>11958505
It's impossible to court women in 2020.

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>>11958566
Not only is it immoral to have kids, its also immoral to exist.

>>11958570
>Not only is it immoral to have kids, its also immoral to exist.

>>11958492
Why is this a bad thing? Isn’t a low fertility rate a sign of advanced civilization? Isn’t lowering our consumption of natural resources good?

>>11958576
I didn't say it was bad. I just think it's weird. How could it go even lower?
What if it actually halves and goes to 250 million because the birth rate dropped more than expected?
How low can it go?

>>11958511
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>>11958570
Posts like these are huge red flag indicators that there indeed are ethnic Jews browsing /sci/.

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>>11958576
It's good until you get invaded by the nog hordes, then it becomes pretty bad.

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>>11958549
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>>11958576
1. It will inevitably lead to massive immigration and the loss of the native culture.
2. It leads to greater time preference and thus more short-sighted political and personal decision making.

>>11958576
Long story short. All financial institutions, banks, business in general, depend heavily upon population growth. Much of their leverage comes from certainty in the future, the expected returns over time, and a ponzi-like lending system which anticipates greater economic output at a later time to repay the borrowings of the present.
A highly simplistic analogy: You are betting there will always be more people to take on more debt, off which you can generate income. They take on debt in the expectation that they can generate more income than the loan costs. The generation of their income comes from purchasing their output. Less people = less income, borrowers cant repay debt, bank collapses. Investors in bank lose their money.
Modern financial instruments and government reserve banks smooth over current bumps in this basic system, but long term trends in population numbers can not be addressed by what are essentially temporary measures.

You could do without it of course, but then we would be back in the 16th century in terms of leverage. You wont be living in a nice comfortable house for much longer.

TLDR. Our entire world economy is now a one very big, very slow, very low key, ponzi scheme. One that relies upon population growth to continue. Which is just fine. Providing population growth continues indefinitely.

>>11958637
>TLDR. Our entire world economy is now a one very big, very slow, very low key, ponzi scheme
Sounds vaguely semitic.

>>11958570
Hello, Benatar, never thought that you would browser sci

>>11958576
It's bad when society is structured as a ponzi scheme that requires endless growth to work.

>>11958492

And this is a good thing. There are already too many people.

This is a good thing. Unless you're focused on adding consumers to prop up economic activity for the rich and farming votes through the welfare plantation.

The west should end immigration. Then power through the rough period of adjustment where the population ages and shrinks. Leaving smaller and stable populations with secure futures. That will also have smaller impacts on the environment.

>>11958749
This is what I've been saying for about the last 5 years now.

>>11958576
The economy will be completely gimped thanks to the consequences of climate change and old farts using their disproportionate share of votes to get gibs.

>>11958637
What happens to this paradigm over the next 20 years as much of low-level work and production gets taken up by automation?

>>11959090
Make work laws and programs. Shorter work weeks, massive construction programs, etc

>>11958570
You're right, we should all kill ourselves and be done with it. Why don't you go first?

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>>11958749
Won't happen because international capital runs politics. They'll continue to push global cosmopolitanism, which means the displacement of native European ethnic groups by immigration.

>>11958492
Holy fuck that's a lot of Africans.

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>>11958637
In the immediate future the EU's population will be substituted with immigrants, so there will never be such a disproportionate imbalance between old and young.

Eventually the whole world will have a sub-replacement fertility rate, including the African continent (although African populations are increasing they still have a declining birthrate). At this point in human history governments will have to pay people (or more likely corporations) to have children. Once children are being born to fulfil specific roles in society different casts will form, which will become increasingly distinct due to genetic engineering.

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>>11958617
>waah have sex other people or WHITE ARMY won't have enough troops for the race war

>literally everyone is only making predictions to 2100, and not one is for anything beyond that
IMAGINE how fucked the 22nd century is going to be

>>11959323
Even when humans are explicitly trying to be far-sighted, we're still too short-sigted.

>>11958492
depopulation is a good thing and the population shouldn't be replenished given the increased adoption of automation. europe is would be avoiding a future of massive unemployment if it allows the population to decrease instead of artificially trying to stimulate its growth.

>>11959331
Humanity will eventually amass a surplus of people unfit for doing the remaining un-automated jobs. Would mass sterilization be the most ethical option in that situation? Admittedly, if I were part of the remaining cohort of employed people, I wouldn't want the unemployed reproducing. Is automation the new Eugenics?

>>11959336
you bring up a good point about ethics, no moral person would think it's a fair idea to bring a life into a world it cannot sustain itself. perhaps sterilization of low iqs is the most ethical option if natural population reductions do not match job loses.

>>11959336
Last time, Europeans went to colonize the Americas, Africa, and Australia.

This time. I hope it leads to mars and the belt.

>>11959342
The main thing I'm concerned about is that we're cultivating a society where jobs which give a sufficient amount of income are becoming more and more exclusive to the higher skill (higher iq) people. We can dream of a communist utopia; however, it's a pipe dream in the face of the resource crunch the planets going to face as global warming worsens. The more the world population increases, the more and more socialist ideals fade from feasibility.

>middle ages
>around 60 million people in Europe
>black plague kills 40% of the population
>life continues normally

>2100: Oh no, ONLY 365 million people the horror, end is nigh muh shekels muh GDP more immigration NOW! Wir schaffen das!

Fucking Jews man.

>>11959336
I think what most automation doomsayers fail to see is emerging markets that can not be automated because they're driven by individuals.
Influencers, for example, are effective advertising agents because they have a loyal fanbased, based in their personality. It seems hard to automate that.
Another example could be twitch streamers, or tf2 hats or counterstrike skins. Those are completely artificial economies with no real life base or production.
I think many real life productions and services will be automated but humans will find work in digital, entertainment and advertising based economies that could eventually be completely separated from irl economies.

>>11958492

Kek, that subsaharian projection doesn't take global warming into account

>>11958492
no way africans will ever get to that point. these studies never take into account the socio-political and environmental aspects of it. they'll crumble under their own weight before reaching half those numbers

>>11958492
And even the children born will be autisticc and sickly because their mothers are 40 year old roasties. We are beyond fucked

>>11959592
Having a child at an old age increases the chances odds having an autistic one, yes. But still then, its only from 1% to 2% or something. Point is, it only increases the danger marginally.

>>11959440
They'll just move north.

>>11959431
>can not be automated because they're driven by individuals.
you'd be surprised. only a matter of time till we have ai influences and twitch thots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody
https://www.neon.life/

>>11958576
read history
gain a basic understanding basic geopolitics and economics
you animal shouldn't have the right to vote

>>11958576
read history
gain a basic understanding of geopolitics and economics
you animal shouldn't have the right to vote

What if we removed the parasitic monetary system?

>>11958492
it will not get to that point
there will be adverse reaction before it
either through increased immigration or artificial increase in natality

>>11959627

Not really, carrying capacity isn't sufficient

Kallergi plan

>>11958492
The EU is also weakening. A weak Europe is a strong Africa.

>>11958492
>It's not a bug, it's a feature.

>>11959739
>Japanese and German hapa
Racemixing is a mistake.

>>11959592
Actually it's the father being over 30 that's giving child autism.

>>11959429
It wouldnt be a problem if 80% of that wouldnt be senile fucking boomers. Also they will push gl holding back 3 billion niggers with maybe 100 million working age population

>>11959610
It isnt only autism though

The pol posting is strong in this thread

>>11958492
Thank G-d there are billions of BLACK engineers, scientists, and medics ready to start a new life in Europe

>>11959943
Are we set to enter a new Dark ages?

>>11959862
triggered?

>>11960088
Yes

I just hope we as a white race manage to survive until industrial genetic engineering in humans becomes commonplace. This is our only chance of long term survival.

The other option is to get mixxed up with lesser races like blacks and arabs

>>11958573
retard

>>11960060
/pol/ says the dark ages didn't exist.
If you say the dark ages existed then you're basically saying the rest of the world was doing better.

>>11958617
pretty based

Anti-natalism is intentionally promoted by anti-white activists because it works on us.
>>11959314
this but unironically

>>11959943
There are racists of every race *wink* *wink*

>>11958492
50% will be african/pakistan migrants.

>>11958492
Bullshit. Europeans are eventually going to have a fertility rebound. Natural selection will weed out the people who are inclined not to breed, while the "breeders" will eventually become the majority of the population. France is already starting to show signs of a breeder transition, since it had the earliest demographic transition and the longest time for natural selection to take effect.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/france-as-epicenter-of-fertility-transition/

>Then the worm turned. German fertility plummeted after World War I, and even the Nazis with their “Kinder, Küche, Kirche” rhetoric were unable to force a recovery to peak Weimar levels. Meanwhile, the French – long derided for “race decay” by the Anglo-Saxons and the Germans – started to make more babies. Ironically, this began during the Vichy period, at the trough of France’s fortunes, and spread to the rest of the country after 1945; the French have been much more fertile than the Germans ever since. Whereas one 1920s League of Nations demographic projection saw the French population falling from 40 million to 29 million by 1970, it instead soared and now stands at 65 million.

>>11958505
Why?

>>11958511
Meanwhile in reality

>>11962228
This actually matches my expectations - people who have more kids either have the money to not need to work or are poor and ignorant enough to not give a fuck. People who have the fewest kids are those intelligent enough to devote themselves to successful careers but not well off enough to find time outside of said career to breed. It helps that the wealthy enjoy a culture more similar to regional tradition and a lower divorce rate.

That said, since there are enormously more poor than wealthy, the generalization that poor people do most of the baby making stands.

>>11960869
That's happening well inside of 100 years so we're fine. There will 100% be white space-faring enclaves.

>>11962228
Multiply each fertility point by population in each income bracket and you'll get a graph that is very skewered to the right.
The middle class is the most important class but they're the ones dying out, at this rate we'll have a clear ruling-peasant class divide with no middle class.

>>11958492
Easy fix: disband the EU. EU deaths will drop to 0

>>11958576
>Why is this a bad thing?
who finances the social systems and safety net?
who looks after retirees in advanced long term care facilities?
who will be the next to learn western liberal (self-genocidal) ideology?

liberalism, feminism, multiculturalism... its all going bye bye

>>11962223
>Europeans are eventually going to have a fertility rebound
you are conveniently ignoring the intermediary "import millions of non europeans" step that will drain european social safety nets dry. they will render it even more financially infeasible to reproduce for natives because who else is going to pay for their 5 children?

>inb4 hurr those 5 children means no more fertility problem
sure just total economic collapse, anarchy, potentially race wars and ethnic cleansing/genocide...

>>11962435
Immigrant fertility rates drop to the country norm.

>>11962223
The problem is the rising French fertility rate is due to demographic replacement not increasing fertility of ethnic Frenchmen. See:
https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/infographics-french-government-visualizes-great-replacement-of-french-children/
TLDR, in 2016 almost 40% of newborns in France were tested for sickle-cell anemia, indicating that they were ethnically African or Middle Eastern (Europeans aren't tested because they virtually never get the disease). Just as a rough calculation, if France has a TFR of 1.9 and ethnic French are 80% of the population but only 60% of the births, then ethnic French have a TFR of 1.425, which is similar to countries like Poland that have very little immigration.

>>11962455
Only if the immigrants assimilate, which they aren't these days. In fact, SJWs have starting saying it's racist to demand that immigrants assimilate.

>>11961802
They only say the dark ages didn't exist because the eastern roman empire continued
they for damned certain happened in Britain.

Doesn't Iceland have an above replacement birthrate? How do they manage it?

>>11963240
Cousin marriages

>>11962223
Retard, do you know how many west and North Africans are in France? Heck, they wouldn't have win the World Cup without them.

>>11963281
Explain why would that make a difference?

>>11959429
not only did life resumed after the plague, the people who survived it also had a jump in their quality of life because a peasant's worth increased and therefore so did his bargaining power over lords; no serfdom anymore, higher wages, cheaper real estate. Of course it was pretty shit for the overall economy and landowners, just like a depopulation would be bad for boomers because someone has to pay their pension and buy/rent their real estate

>>11963302
Inbreeding increases fitness

>>11963285
less than 2/3 of british school kids are white bits...

>>11963285
less than 2/3 of british school kids are white brits...

>>11966676
I'm curious how, a cursory glance at Bradford suggests there are major problems with it.

>>11966676
No it doesn’t brainlet

>>11959361
This.

I welcome a little strife.
It will inspire us to be better.
Peak oil will lead us to nuclear fusion.
Climate change will lead us to terraforming technology.
Overpopulation will push colonization of outer space.

>>11963281
Wrong

>>11966676
Marrying your 4th or 5th degree cousin is not inbreeding.

>>11966847
3rd-4th was optimal according to that iceland chart

>>11966777
Statically more kids are born. That's what fitness means

>>11966847
Its closer to inbreeding than outbreeding.

>>11966777
Inbreeding is only harmful if it's a sibling or 1st cousin. Even then, the problems only begin if the inbreeding happens for two generations in a row. Generally, 2nd to 4th cousins don't have any more relation to you than the general population. Also, evidence shows that 2nd-4th cousins actually produce healthier and more offspring. The worst thing is when you have muzzies arranging marriages between siblings for a couple hundred years or so.

>>11966879
>>The worst thing is when you have muzzies arranging marriages between siblings for a couple hundred years or so.
I have a side question: Are Sub-Saharan Africans inbred? I imagine that millennia of patriarchal polygamy, mass rape (even in peacetime) uncertain fatherhood, widow-related marriage customs and the inheritance customs of the land and herds must have affected their genetics.

>>11966879
>muzzies arranging marriages between siblings for a couple hundred years or so.
It's 1st cousins because mohammed married his 1st cousin,
the otherside of it ios it builds ferocious ingroups bias because you're all so closely related

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>>11966879
He's making shit up please read a book on population genetics before posting about it
>>11966868
fitness has multiple definitions, it is also the ability to survive to breeding age and the ability for children to survive to breeding age.

>>11966917
Yeah, african tribes are pretty inbred there's a map that often gets posted.

>>11966930
>it is also the ability to survive to breeding age and the ability for children to survive to breeding age.
actually the iceland stufy is quite interesting in that regard, it's fairly short
Helgason, A., Palsson, S., Guthbjartsson, D. F., Kristjansson, t., & Stefansson, K. (2008). An Association Between the Kinship and Fertility of Human Couples. Science,
https://files.catbox.moe/m7d882.pdf
first notch is equivalent to 2nd cousin or closer effective relatedness, second notch 3rd cousin or closer, etc, etc.

>>11966958
It makes a good case for marrying in the 3rd to 5th cousin range.

>>11966930
Lol, humans have been having children with their 2nd/3rd cousins since the dawn of time. Many children produced by 1st cousin marriages and even sibling marriages are fine, save for slightly higher mortality rate, which is to be expected. Outbreeding depression is real, though it usually manifests 2 or 3 generations down the line.

>>11966930
Do you recommend a good book on general population genetics? And about inbreeding in sub-Saharan Africans, is there any scientific book, article or publication on this?

>>11966917
Seems to be a Muslim problem rather than a SSA problem.

>>11966970
>Seems to be a Muslim problem rather than a SSA problem.
There is no data for Africa you can't draw that conclusion.

>>11966991
South Africa is there.

>>11966994
They're not a good model.

>>11958749
Ending immigration alone would substantially fix fertility issues
Followed by ending all the retarded policies that enable sub replacement fertility like old age pensions, communities destroyed, driving up housing costs, abysmal mandatory schooling, etc

>>11958492

Africa wont have 3 billion people by 2100. It is more likely that they will have 2 to 2.5 billion maximum.

What are some good resources to learn about population genetics, and mathematical modelling?

>>11967114
I would also like to know.
I'm studying bioinformatics but I'd like a more hands on approach before I get to population genetics courses.

>>11967044
2 billion BBCs are pretty good.

i cannot believe that more people do not know who robespierre was

>>11967406
Some bathfag who got murdered by a woman

>>11967538
That's Marat

>>11958637
This is why I'm not breeding and I'm against immigration. Fuck the kikes and their "muh growth" bullshit. Make things stable or destroy it all.

>>11958637
it's set up this way to bankrupt countries so they can be enslaved. this is really what hitler rebelled against

>>11958505
Only if you're white.

>>11958637
Oy vey, what's with the anti-semitic post goy?

>>11967842
Stable would be TFR 2.1 for natives. If its like half of that you are fucked either way

Antinatalism seems popular among europeans. They're pretty based.

>>11958492
/pol/fags are wrong white people are begging to be replaced.
Oh well they had a good run for the past 300 years.

>>11958576
>why is this a bad thing?

>>11962422
Thanks to the richfags who don't pay enough in taxes... unregulated socialism for the rich is what has led to such differences in income inequality.

If anything it's the bubble rich people are living in that's saying goodbye once the revolution kicks in.

>>11962586
No, actually it's been shown that the more educated the population is (especially the women) the less children they have.

>>11958511
It's a new evolutionary pressure, and breedlets are unfit. They will be replaced, that's how evolution works. Reproduction by choice only is causing the greatest change in modern human evolution in a long time, and that's a good thing.

>>11962586
Except it's wrong if you look at a map of TFR in different regions of France, the TFR is pretty uniform whereas if it was mostly due to shitskins you'd see a higher TFR in Paris. If Brittany has a TFR around 2.0 then shitskins can't be the reason.

>>11962225
>(((David Benatar)))
lel, Jews are literally genociding themselves, ma sha2 allah!

>>11958492
Good, now export this to the rest of the world

>>11971395
now plot this against average IQs

What the fuck is this chart?
http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

>>11958492
It's capitalism

>>11962294
>eople who have the fewest kids are those intelligent enough to devote themselves to successful careers but not well off enough to find time outside of said career to breed
It is more about wanting to provide a lifestyle of moderate wealth to their children but not being well off to afford to do so for a lot of children imo.

>>11972255
A shame that long term fitness is a numbers game...people need to move in more clannish units where the group supports their relatives

>>11959387
who the fuck dreams of a communist utopia, get the fuck out of sci faggot

>>11958492
>White people disappearing
Why is this a bad thing? We have asians

>>11958492
OH NO THERE WILL BE LESS PEOPLE TO COMPETE WITH ME FOR JOBS AND LIMITED RESOURCES. HOUSING COSTS MIGHT EVEN HAVE TO COME DOWN OH GOD HOW HORRIBLE. I WANT MORE POPULATION GROWTH SO MORE PEOPLE WILL COMPETE WITH ME SO I CAN SUFFER MORE AND BECOME MORE INSIGNIFICANT.

Do you people actually believe population growth is a good thing?

>>11972988
I don't care one way or the other really.

>>11972988
>Do you people actually believe population growth is a good thing?
No, but population decrease isn't automatically good. I think my country is completely fine with its current population, we don't need more and we don't need fewer people. The developed world should increase its fertility rate in order to be independent from mass migration, a rate of ~2 would ensure the pension system and keep the economy steady.
The developing world must reduce its fertility rates as quickly as possible, the real problems happen in Africa where countries have growths of 3.5% per year without offering perspectives in life. All of these people want and deserve basic things like electricity and countries like Niger simply don't have the space for 150 million people.

The world can sustain 8 billion people, probably even more. But there is a point where it gets tricky. By furthering scientific progress, we can increase the capacity. And for progress, we need strong developed nations. And strong developed nations aren't possible without a certain amount of people holding the economy afloat.

>>11973060
Why need fewer people

>>11959097
>massive construction programs, etc
finally get a wall paid by Mexico

>>11972916
You've literally never met any young person in America ever, have you?

>>11958511
this is bogus. people aren't' having children because they keep raising the cost of living. its not because were too free.

>>11958492
Wow its almost like the government could create incentives for the population to have families to easily fix this problem.

Nah, that's dumb the clear solution is importing millions of low iq people from the shittiest most violent countries across the globe!

>>11973657
>its almost as if
>>>/r/eddit

Go and stay.

>>11973690
I'm sorry Chidubem, did he hurt your fee fees? You do know darkies like you don't belong in Europe, now go back and get genocided.

>>11959441
yes, average african IQ in the 80s at best means women becoming so smart and sexy that they decide not to have more than 1 kid on average is not realistic. the future is brown, black, and repressively religious and superstitious

>>11958511
not true, the stupid just fuck a lot while the smarter groups respond to resource availability.

>>11958492
Eurangutans can't go extinct any quicker.

>>11973699
>fee fees
Must be reddit

>>11973395
Oh no my friend I love every single human being. We need more people not less. They are welcome.

>Import millions of Africans in order to replace the aging population
>certain groups demand autonomy
>end up with a civil war
>population is now even lower
LMAO

>>11974358
it's almost as if the elites hate us and want to kill us

>>11958492
Good for them. Seemed a bit crowded. Hope we and everyone fucking else does the same.

>>11974398
Does it even make life better?
Eastern europe is hemorrhaging people because western europe is better by this logic eastern europe should become better and better as it gets less crowded. So should hungary. But I don't see it. Their jobs still don't go up.

>>11972988
I mean, it WAS a good thing like 200 years ago, but damn we hit the limit minimally 50 years ago and kept fucking going.

But yes, there's still people screaming for more. Like godamn, that's what we need, more talentless redundant people in traffic and ordering plastic bead art off Amazon, contributing nothing of value while polluting and consuming resources. We don't have that luxury anymore, we have to consider how to ration resources.

>>11974519
Well 100 years ago you may have had a point. There was money and resources to go around, and more people means needing to provide more goods, hence more jobs.
But now there's dwindling food supplies, dwindling resources, a crunch on supply lines, all causing rising prices, and automation seems to be the answer.


Btw no one says there best part of living in Shanghai or Mumbai is the queue lines, sky high rent to live in a bathroom with a couch, and lack of personal space.

>>11958511
Welfare states destroy fertility rate due to high cost of living causing behaviorial sink

>>11958492
can't see a shit in this graph

whoever chose these colors need to commit die

>>11958601
The funny part is when these people are 70, they'll be all alone and unable to "party". Very shortsighted, I'll take my middle class poverty and grandchildren with a future, thanks.

>>11959610
1 in 100 will have autism;not a big deal!

>>11958566
Jews hate humans because by any metric we are superior to them.

>>11959308
You have been brainwashed by psychopathic jews. As a goyslave your opinion is worth rabbi shit.

>>11959943
lol

>>11962223
>France
Muslim nigger africans are not only not French but not even human.

>>11971950
That would be VERY racist AND anti Semitic, please take down that very bad post

>>11958505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
Would love to, but in an environment like that it's difficult.

>>11971395
If you want to minimize suffering in this world, the only way is to stop Africans from having more children than their continent could reasonably support.
We (including China) really need to stop supporting them, otherwise this won't end well.

>>11974527
>contributing nothing of value while polluting and consuming resource
corporates love them.

>>11976136
there's a curious thing about idiocracy that all the smart people not having kids are depicted as urbanite jews while the rednecks get blamed for the bad breeding.
I saw someone speculate that it was the only way to get it through hollywood.

I'm nearing 40's and for most of my life experts were saying people should stop having children because its bad for reasons. What's the problem now?

>>11972988
Our world-wide economy is built on the (false) assumption of eternal growth.
I'm glad I got a experience a not-so-bad age, but that whole construct of lies collapsing will deal damage to everyone. Including you and me.
>>11976238
There is probably no problem with (You) having children, as you'd probably be able to raise them well-nourished.
It's the Third World that needs to fucking stop pumping out children like there was no tomorrow. Otherwise there will be no tomorrow.
"Development aid" is but an "anodyne" for privileged people, and by keeping dumping money and resources into Africa they make things worse in the long run.

tl;dr: SJWs are the problem. And I'm saying that as a fucking lefty/pol/.

>>11958492
This is a prediction on a same level as corona causing 10 million dead in the first month.
Pro tip it didnt happen.

>>11976442
this one actually has data

>>11976386
they're dumping money into africa to ruin their domestic markets so that blacks just sit around producing kids and collecting welfare

>>11976685
Then they use them as a human weapon?

>>11976693
Probably. They killed thomas sankara for this reason.
He didn't like welfare and instead preferred to import tractors and factory equipment. So french killed him.

>>11958613
Not having children is good for society and the planet. All these pictures are projection. Having more than a single child is incredibly selfish.

>>11958613
>moral obligations to society and family
hmmmm those sound like your fee fees

>>11973060
No country on Earth has a sustainable population right now brainlet.

>>11976386
>There is probably no problem with (You) having children, as you'd probably be able to raise them well-nourished.
No there is a problem with him or you having children right now. Europe and America cannot support their current population. We’re blowing through natural resources at an incredible rate. We can’t support the children already here.

>>11976833
Actually America and Europe probably could given their lower population density if you ignored all the immigrants.

>>11958492
I guess the Jews were right, we really do millions of 60 IQ somalis to move to our countries and rape, steal and murder while on welfare for the economy. Wtf I love the third world now

>>11959314
We are smart and we'll equipped 1 when the is the equivalent of 10 ppl of any other race so don't worry about us Tyrone we good nigga Bix nood

One of my grandmothers had 13 kids, the other had 9.

If the population gets low things will go back to the good ole ways. No worries.

>>11966814
>I welcome a little strife
>t.
Shitting your pants when the purple haired trannies yell at you isn't gonna help anything

>>11976962
unless there is mass displacement immigration

I hope that an Ice Age starts soon
whites will manage
the others not so much

>>11976962
You can never reverse the behavioral sink. Watch the rat utopia experiments

>>11977088
Actually you can do it if you remove certain rats. and isolate the populations into something more compact

>>11977125
Which rats?
The beautiful ones?

>>11977088
>applying that rat shit to hoomans
cringe

>>11977088
actually I recall someone talking about how rats use hormonal fear markers in their urine so what was possible happening is the accumulated stress as the urine wasn't able to dissipate, maybe give them a wash and put them in a new enclosure?

>>11977125
You are overestimating the effects of seam on humans. Behavioral degradation as a consequence of mutation accumulation affects the more or less every individual and not just a bunch of "beautiful ones" that mess up a healthy society.
You could argue that some countries have indeed trying to remove the effects of spiteful mutants on society (see hungary) but how much has fertility improved?

>>11976906
For how long.
Did you not pay attention to the part where we are consuming resources faster than they are replenished?
Why do you dream of an overpolluted future where we live like ants

>>11977612
are you really comparing this to the far higher population densites of asia?

>>11977363
there are many theories as to the causes of the mouse utopia behavioural sink, humans were able to purge the incompatible gene load of the neanderthal admixture event within a few generations.

>>11971621
I've seen the studies showing that female education correlates very well with infertility but I'm not convinced that one directly causes the other. And even if it did, this just means that the moderate Muslims and assimilated immigrants will disappear like the French, meanwhile the hardline Islamists in their sharia zones will inherit the country.

>>11971929
This doesn't really contradict my point. There are other factors at work than religion and ethnicity so fertility rate among the French still varies. American Whites for example have an overall TFR of about 1.7 but it varies between 1.5 for urban liberals to 2.1 for rural conservatives. I'm guessing Brittany is the rural conservative part of France. Even so they're just treading water while the bulk of the country is lost.

sage, report and hide

reactionaries are subhumans obsessed with sex and violence, and the extinction to which they will drive humankind is our just punishment for allowing them to fester

>>11958576
>the people who want less children are becoming a tiny portion of the people on the planet while those who want a lot of children are becoming the huge majority
>this is somehow a good thing from the antinatalist perspective
how does it feel to live with a debilitating mental deficiency

>>11959336
gene editing to make aure that all the babies can do high tier jobs when they grow up, imagine that, the number of people in high tier jobs quadrupling without the low tier jobs seeing a deficiency in work force, the economy will quadruple along with that

>>11958511
Easy. Ban feminism and introduce policies that favor parents and families

>>11971905
For the short term.
The huge mass of dummies who aren't even self sufficient will die off very quick during any sort of societal breakdown.
After that the tiny percentage of smart people left will really shine.
Evolution works in leaps and bounds, brought on by catastrophes

>>11979846
We're going to massively fuck up people's genomes if we try that. We know very little about gene function, the most likely consequence is making people insane from pairs that weren't supposed to go together.

>>11970596
White people will always be leading the way for humanity, much like the Ashkenazi Jews, we could go to 1% of a population and still dominate in every positive category.
You can't legislate niggers to have a higher IQ

>>11958511
Having children is good. You’ve been brainwashed.

>>11958570
>Not only is it immoral to have kids, its also immoral to exist.

Kill yourself then, moron.

>>11958576
>Isn’t a low fertility rate a sign of advanced civilization?

It’s a sign of a civilization suffering from serious social degeneration.

>>11959342
Morality is just opinion. Grow up.

>>11958576
>Isn’t a low fertility rate a sign of advanced civilization?
I wouldn't be surprised, if that was the "big filter".
Once a civilization advances to a certain point, it gets stopped by self-proclaimed "tolerant" people, that hate absolutely everyone that doesn't think exactly like them.
Who still has children in an environment like that? Where your till-death-doth-us-part may run away at any moment, sue for aliments and the house that is still being paid off, and where society sides with her by default simply because she doesn't have a dick?
I'm a lefty myself, but I'd rather have a conservative wife than any of those "woke" progressives.

>>11958582
What was the population of Europe 300 or 600 years ago? If these were the good times, then returning to those numbers is OK. If the more is the better, then current life is almost peak good.

>>11979981
You keep claiming that you're leftist but you talk like a /pol/tard

>>11980017
I'm sorry, I'm not quite as left as you are.
Please don't kill me. I'm trying my very best to adhere to left standards, but especially in the recent context of #blm, where I'm supposed to stand against the state for it is fighting looters, while the local government does nothing, I'm rather troubled.
Especially the whole Karen thing seemed ridiculous.

>>11980075
Have fun with your double layered irony.

>>11980106
The irony is created by the left-extremist mainstream, not me.
I wouldn't mind living under any society system in human history, as long as its rules are applied CONSISTENTLY.
That rule may very well be "Women, BiPOCs and LGBTIAQCs can do no wrong, and Caucasian CIS-men are their slaves."
Okay. But write that down and make it official, instead of the fucking nonsense we have at the moment, where you try to derive that from ethical axioms that don't hold up (like hereditary guilt). Stop pretending to be something you are not. No degree of post-structuralism will fix that for you.

>>11958492
We won't last until 2100 anyway, so.

>>11974527
https://youtu.be/TBtW51D_q2Q?t=1h2m35s

>>11980138
I'm hopeful as far as that goes.

Humans have been thinking their kind was about to end for as long as records go back.

>>11980143
Humans have never before relied on a power source that's quickly running thin. (oil)

>>11980147
I hardly encounter oil-made products in my daily life, and transportation (be it individual, mass transit or logistics) is almost trivial to free from oil.
Oil has been rapidly losing value for a variety of reasons.

>>11976722
>society
No.
>planet
Maybe, but who cares. What is our planet for if not our enjoyment?

>>11980135
>>>/pol/

>>11980155
Lol. Everything has an oil signature imprinted on it, because it requires transportation, usually around the globe, not to mention the oil people spend to get to the work place where they make that item for you. The oil needed for energy that they use to make pesticides for veggies, antibiotics for meat, the oil required to get water to most crops. You're not thinking hard enough how much we rely on oil as a society.

>>11976722
I think 3 children seems about right for a well-situated family, regardless of racial background.
What needs to stop is poor people making children like mad. They simply can't afford their upbringing, and chances are they will turn out to be a liability for society.

>the planet
Humans are a disease, yes, but I hope they are a disease that spreads.

>>11979025
The future is looking like a grim place.

>>11973724

this

I would have children, but I have shit genes. I think it's immoral to pass them onto my own children.
Sometimes I consider adoption but then I think, most children who need adoption also have parents with shit genes.
I don't need that shit in my life.

>>11980142
found this vid years ago, still sticks with me...

>>11980147
No that's incorrect, the Sumerians were running their society on oil, they then got fucked by environmental change.

>>11980169
families with both parents on welfare are the only ones with above maintenance fertility rates

>>11974363

yeah, what a wierd coincidence

>>11975949
>Jews hate humans because by any metric we are superior to them.

by any metric, that being IQ, jews are actually superior to you

>>11976151

we need to form a superpowered northern hemispheric belt union that wraps around the earth to take charge of the future of mankind and the earth

>>11962294
The people in the dip have more than enough to easily have plenty of children. It's people being tricked into keeping up with the Robinson and buying properties with massive mortgages and other dumb shit.

>>11979051

it's not reactionaries driving humankind to extinction, it is humanistic "enlightened" liberals and psychopathic capitalists

>>11979880

well, jews have not been treated kindly historically. Actually, they have been persecuted everywhere they've been, and one time this guy tried to and partially managed to exterminate them completely. And even now, they are constantly afraid of anti-semitism. It does seem like an ungrateful, neurotic existence. Not something I look forward to for my children

>>11980332
Yeah, it's exactly the wrong way round.
That's the very point that movie makes (>>11976136), isn't it?

I see the reasoning behind "feminism", but they are driving it further than their arguments could reasonably take them, and ultimately it will kill us all (regardless of sex/religion/political orientation/race/whatever you discriminate humans by - true equality in death - Yay!).

>>11980326

You have a commendable attitude

>>11980326
That degree of awareness makes me think, you should have children.
Your genes can't be all that bad, if you are capable of having that thought.
It's certainly not healthy, though.

>>11980360
what the fuck are reactionaries?

>>11980358
Yep, this is why christianity when it worked properly preached modest living, morality and strong family values. This consumerist society is the exact opposite.
The true value of religions is not necessarily the ideas they preach but the morality and group cohesion they are sociological vehicles for.
there was an american sect called the shakers who went extinct because they were so incredibly prudish that they poured all their energies into creating objects instead of offspring, you can still buy beautiful antiques shaker furniture...

>>11980401

white nationalists, Trump supporters, religious conservatives - somthing like this

>>11980433
Does it just mean anyone the left doesn't like?

What is the optimal EU population?

>>11980523
We'll find out after the upcoming civil war.

>>11973657
You idiot. In european shitholes like italy people are not having kids because the larger part of the population has the shit taxed out of them.

Artificially throwing money around, which never worked and never will for literally anything, will jsut eventually increase debt and taxes.

>>11980464

not quite. The left even hates liberals. But liberals are not reactionaries. They are what made the breeding grounds for modern woke leftism and are still mostly in support of it. Regular conservatives are more or less liberals themselves, just more capitalistically leaning. Reactionaries can be against capitalism

>>11980464
>anyone the left doesn't like
Don't be silly, that would be every single human being.
Not sure, if I'm saying that unironically, but recently they have certainly given me that impression.
Won't vote "left" for the rest of my life, and I still have approximately 60 to 70 years ahead of me.
The older I get, the closer I get to their ultimate evil. Why would I ever vote for people like that?
They would probably advocate to euthanize all male pensioners to even out their privilege.
Anyone objecting to that would obviously be a reactionary Nazi.

>>11962225
Do anti-natalists realize they are genetic dead ends and the earth will inherit those which reproduce the most?

>>11975949
It's not this, they just think we will cause another holocaust.

>>11958576
It is also a sign of collapsing civilization.

>>11980798
but this sort of shit is exactly what caused the holocaust?

>>11979051
stfu commie tranny, blue haired trannies and soi bois aren't going to inheret the earth and make communism work this time. You are just part of the population that is stupid enough to keep trying it because you are an idioy

>>11980877
Once millennials run america, socialism will be tried and there's nothing you can do about it.
The only thing stopping socialism is conservative boomers. And they will die and take capitalism with them

>>11980915
enjoy mediocrity

>>11980915
>And they will die and take capitalism with them
prosperity too.

>>11980915
>socialism will be tried
and you will have exactly the same damned results as every other time it has been tried, millions will starve to death and live in absolute misery while a few part faithful get astonishingly rich.

>>11980915
fortunately useful idiots like you are always first up against the wall after the revolution.

>>11981057
*party faithful
you merely replace one group of elites with an even more incompetent and more corrupt version.
>If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of superrich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead it becomes the logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite.
>Gary Allen

>>11980915
Millennials are a product of capitalism. Their identity politics are anti-socialist by nature, and by design. You'll just have a wokecapitalism. More money will be going to them projects, but minorities will give it right back to capitalists.

>>11980360
Reactionaries will support psychopathic capitalists to the bitter end though.

>>11981065
>you merely replace one group of elites with an even more incompetent and more corrupt version

>>11981069
first explain what a reactionary is

>>11981127
People who want to return society, in part or in all, to a perceived previous state, in reaction to evolutions or revolutions they disagree with.

>>11981284
so to a last known safe save state?

>>11979880
White people were the niggers of the ancient world. Only got civilised thanks to contact with Mediterranean civilizations.
Also what this anon said >>11980367
Your grand children have mass rape and persecution awaiting them.

>>11980367
ask the jews what exactly the complaints were against them for them to be so heavily persecuted

>>11971929
Pic related

>>11981452
I guess that's their ideal. But Life is a videogame with no save system. And no chance to win.

>>11981586
They were a little predatory with their loans. The only reason they were forced into it was due to christianity's backwardness. The christians brought it upon themselves, they thought they could convert everybody, wrong. Now the Jews rule us because your ancestors thought it was a good idea to expel them every 50 or so odd years.

is this /pol/ or sci i forgot

>>11958633
If they cut the immigration part, I could afford a big apartment and populate it with children.

good

stop feeding the mythological infinite growth ponzi scheme

stop importing the third world

just be smaller, it's called industrialization it means you don't need ten kids and you don't need half the country farming

>>11981972
Demographics is just population statistics so it very much belongs here. Did you want another iq thread?

>>11981678
uhuh, I'm sure there wasn't any other reason whatsoever.
bloodpassover.com

>"liberate" w*men
>go extinct
this is the future you chose

>>11983345
NOOO

>>11971905
Someone who actually recognises this! I for one am quite exited about pessimists and people who hate humanity having their genes and, memes to a large extent, removed from the gene pool through reduced breeding and increased suicide.

>>11958511
This is so utterly counter-intuitive that it smacks of complete bullshit. Not a single creature on earth breeds less when resources are plentiful.

It's a cope for those who rely on population growth for their livelihoods.
>J-j-just a few more generations of wealth generating population growth and I'll find a new way to make money, promise

>>11958492
who the fuck thought it was a good idea to make the South Asia line the same color as the background

>>11958492
Should import more mudslimes.

>>11979025
Brittany isn't very conservative. Yes rural areas have a higher fertility rate in general, but rural french areas empty of foreigners have a much higher fertility rate in France than in most western countries. So even if France is 'lost', it's still much less 'lost' than most western countries.

>>11981506
>White people were the niggers of the ancient world. Only got civilised thanks to contact with Mediterranean civilizations.
That's not true, they were just average. And said Mediterranean civilisation *is* part of European ancestry ; nobody in Europe is 100% pre-neolithic migration hunter-gatherer, you do realize?

>>11983345
Iran has a tfr under replacement level too.

>>11984849
Speak for yourself. I'm Sami. Also fuck the Scandinavians.

>>11958511
Hungary introduced some pro family policies like live long tax breaks for women after having 2 or 3 kids.
Suddenly the birth rates rose.
20 years ago you could have kids AND regular holidays.
Weird how it might really only be due to retarded propaganda and policy making that people don't have kids.

>>11986386
How many reindeer do you own?