/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11963484
>climate change

>>11963499
Do you not believe in it or you don’t think it’s as big as a deal as they say

>>11963511
Of course I believe that the climate isn't static. Only a retard would think it is.

>>11963484
It's something which is technically true but which distracts from the broader point.
The broader point being the fire chiefs tried warning the government this was going to happen due to climate change creating more extreme conditions for these fires to happen, but the government refused to hear what they had to say since their official policy was to ignore climate change or deny it altogether. I trust what the fire departments were saying way more than that disphit Scotty who just fucked off to Hawaii and should've got knocked the fuck out when he tried doing the PR tours around the towns that got nearly incinerated.
The second point is that our dry seasons are getting longer and our big bushfires are getting more and more frequent as a result. Bushfires are the norm in Australia and always have been, but the frequency of them is increasing, and this is absolutely due to changing climate conditions.
Both of these points were avoided by the government in favour of "arsonists" and related deflection tactics. Literally the entire Australian government is human sewage trying to loot the place for as much as they can get and sell us out to China/the US and whatever other faggy agendas they happen to think of

>>11963531
>average global temperature increases by 0.1C
>everything catches on fire
How do you people propose this with a straight face?

>>11963529
Then what is your point?

>>11963554
Australia is now looking at longer summers (heading to about 4 months average) and shorter winters (about 2 months). We've literally had the grass spontaneously catch fire.

>>11963574
>tiny increase in average temperature results in the grass spontaneously combusting
My point stands.

>>11963595
You don't have a point because you didn't even read this part:
>Bushfires are the norm in Australia and always have been, but the frequency of them is increasing
Australian summers have been hot enough for shit to burn for thousands of years. All this means is that we now have slightly hotter temperatures and longer summers, so a longer time frame for more shit to burn, and less of a window to prepare for it. You're free to just not reply if you can't be fucked knowing what you're on about.

>>11963602
>oh no, the average temperature rose by 0.1C, now there's wildfires everywhere!
"""Science"""

>>11963659
>Gradually increasing factors resulting in more extreme outliers
>d-d-durr how duh 0.1C make duh fires durr

In Finland, they go around with rakes and clear the entire country. Every man woman and child.

>>11963554
Australia has experienced an increase of 1 C in the last 20 years alone. Summers are now 30 days longer than they were 50 years ago. How do you propose that wouldn't lead to increased fires?

>>11963721
Ever seen a map of Australia?

>>11963712
>Gradually increasing factors resulting in more extreme outliers
Or it could result in gradually increasing outliers in proportion to the increase in contributing factors. You're the one proposing some exponential relationship, so prove it.

>>11963727
>temp goes from 30 to 31C
>everything spontaneously combusts
Is this what you actually believe?

>>11963484

Nah. Government took hundreds of millions from the yearly fire fighting budget and you had about 12 fire marshals basically taking care of an entire state to prevent fires. When you finanically cripple an entire department these issues are bound to happen.

>>11963659
Just intentionally ignoring
>Bushfires are the norm in Australia and always have been, but the frequency of them is increasing
or what? Our summers have always been hot enough to cause bushfires, now they're longer and hotter. It's not fucking hard.

>>11963766
That's not the issue. The issue is that a tiny increase in average temperature causes summers to be longer and hotter.

>>11963743
>30 more days of extremely hot, dry temperatures each year
>Forest fires, which have always been issue during the summer months, won't increase despite summers now being 25% longer
Is this what you actually believe?

>>11963790
>1 degree increase, 25% longer summer
Well shit, if you increase it by another 3 degrees, you won't have winter at all, amirite?

>>11963796
What are you even arguing at this point? What is your explanation for longer summers if it isn't caused by climate change?

>>11963743
>You're the one proposing some exponential relationship, so prove it.
Where did i do that? Try not to lie when making an argument, it usually backfires.

You don't seem to understand the differed between a trend and a lone event.

>>11963788
>tiny increase
This is a meaningless and arbitrary description.

>>11963556

That humans are incapable of pollution

>>11963788
I know that dipshit, I'm responding to the retarded idea that "everything spontaneously combusts" after a small increase in temperature by pointing out Australia has always been hot enough to have shit catch fire.

>>11963859
Nobody seemed to be whining about it before. But now that you have a few more wildfires than normal, the world is ending?

>>11963807
What is your explanation for summers being a month longer due to a slight rise in average temperature? How does this even work?

>>11963866
>What is your explanation for summers being a month longer due to a slight rise in average temperature?
I never said it was directly tied to that, nor does it matter. The argument has been for climate change, yes? Clearly summer being a month longer is tied to climate change unless you can come up with another plausible explanation, and clearly a 25% increase in the number of days reaching summer temperatures is also going to cause a rise in brush fires. You haven't refuted that in any way.

>>11963866
>>11964582
I also want to add that in the regions experiencing the greatest increase in brush fires, there's also been a decrease in rain fall. So hotter temperatures over a greater number of days with less rain fall = more fires.

>>11964582
>Clearly summer being a month longer is tied to climate change unless you can come up with another plausible explanation
It isn't clear at all, and you haven't given an explanation. Just saying "climate change" is hardly an account of how this is supposed to happen. What do you expect me to refute, when you have yet to propose a mechanism for this phenomenon?

>>11966045
>It isn't clear at all, and you haven't given an explanation.
I shouldn't have had to. You're on a science board, you should be able to put the pieces together yourself. The increasing heat isn't directly causing more brush fires. What heat does do is increases the rate of evaporation if relative humidity remains the same. Add in lack of rain fall with increased evaporation, and you have a recipe for a drying of soil and brush, and there's your recipe for brush fires. Then add in that those conditions are now occurring for four months rather than three, and it should be apparent there's going to be an increase in fires.

>>11967279
Still waiting for a link between a one degree increase in average temp and a 25% longer summer and significant increase in evaporation.

>>11967304
>Still waiting for a link between a one degree increase in average temp and a 25% longer summer
I'm not googling for you, and you can dismiss the 1 degree increase if you like, because a longer summer (climate change) will do it. The question in OP's post has been answered.

>>11967325
>dismiss the 1 degree increase if you like, because a longer summer (climate change)
You're the one claiming the one degree increase is a symptom of climate change, and therefore causing the longer summer.

>>11967440
>You're the one claiming the one degree increase is a symptom of climate change, and therefore causing the longer summer.
I never implied that. Separate issues. Ignore the temp, a longer summer is an example of climate change (the cause is irrelevant), and that alone answers OP's question.

>>11963484
Yes there were too few controlled burns but the excuse was they didn't do them because climate change made them uncontrollable.