/sci/ - Science & Math

Reminder that science is a fundamentally liberal process.

>>11938720
How exactly? I could see you agreeing it is a fundamentally "progressive" process, but to say it is fundamentally liberal is a huge stretch.

Off to a smashing fucking start to the thread I see.

>>11938727
It's a meme. Ignore the tard

I can't wait to see moonship docked at the ISS just to humiliate the Russians again.

>>11938727
Technological progress exists. Objective social progress is a raw myth. There’s no such thing as progress except relative to your own moral convictions, which are arbitrary

The future of spaceflight is in LEO and earth science, we have too many problems we need to fix like starvation, racism, and poverty, before we waste more money sending white men to lifeless rocks, plus trump is using Artemis as a political advertisement

how much fucking longer do I have to wait for a decent daytime visible supernova bros
antares blowing up WHEN
repeat of SN 1006 WHEN

>>11938720
No it isn’t. It’s an empirical process.

>>11938714
oh no our threads are expendable

>>11938740
>my opinion is fact

Weak bait

>>11938733
I mean the greatest humiliation will be docking with the Sino-Russian station and mogging it completely. Or the more chad move of regularly performing suicide tier high speed close flybys of it. One moment their crew will be trucking along and the next a giant fucking water tower the size of a small office building will hurtle past for just a couple of seconds, blotting out the sun and reminding them that America is the supreme power in space.

>>11938741
five

Starship will never be successful
Biden will be president
Artemis will be cancelled
SLS will be delayed past 2030
JWST will be delayed past 2030
Man will not be in Mars until 2040 at the earliest
China will land on Mars first
Cope

what space future awaits

>>11938753

>>11938740
>>11938753

>

come on you fucking stupid shit fucking EXPLODE FUCK

>>11938753
Is this transcended doomerism?

Anyone else amazed by how many "space news" youtube channels there are now that make daily 15 minute videos with one minute of actual content? I see them in my recommended all the time and I don't understand how anyone watches them.

>>11938772
Liberals are just doomers in HRT
>>11938781
It's crazy, normies are actually excited for space travel for once

Can the climate posting and doomer stuff stop? Kinda stale at this point.

>>11938790
At this point I'd rather have the proonter meme return.

>>11938790
I like how the shuttle's outline has become a symbol of spaceflight in its own right. Look at the Crew-1 poster.
>ancient mystical symbols for Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo
>and then the Shuttle

>>11938798
should be the symbol for CANCER am I right

bringing back TAU when?

>>11938800
No, that would be China's hypergolic village eaters.

>>11938753
Okay but can you prove anything you said?

>>11938802
Would be possible in 21 years with sun diving to accelerate to 500000 miles per hour

>Year 2095
>Starship SN 1420 just blown up again after a static fire test failed
.....

What is the Artemis project?

>>11938822
A miserable pile of cost-plus!

How long until regular (non military, non specialist phd, non billionaire) astronauts start being the norm?

>>11938714

Can I wank the cock in space?

>>11938825
20-30 years.
Air travel became norm only after WW2.

>>11938822
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_Project

>>11938825
Mid to late 2030s.

>>11938825
2001

I think even a dynamic engine system would be possible. With the ability to alter an engine’s diameter, bell length, and thrust, at the cost of literal cost and weight, you could skip having specific engines entirely. The only issue I can see is graphical but it’s probably doable with modern tech.

>>11938852
Yeah it's called an aerospike and no one uses them

>>11938855
No I mean in KSP

>>11938855
Aerospikes only make sense for SSTO, which means they don't make much sense at all for anything with less Isp than LH2NTR.

>>11938858
I think an aerospike might be useful for something like the upper stage of a TSTO where it fires in the vacuum for deorbit, and fires on the ground to land. But you might as well do what Spx is doing by just having 2 different types of engines because no one wants to pay and wait for aerospike R&D

>>11938859
I could see Elon investing in designing an aerospike nozzle to attach to Raptor plumbing after Starship is already up and running and making profit. Trade a little bit of TWR for completely homogeneous identical engines in all stages and better overall performance.

>>11938781
>15 minute videos with one minute of actual content
That's pretty much all YouTube "news" programs, regardless of the subject of focus.

>>11938864
Plus that also opens the door for building Super Heavy boosters on Mars as SSTOs, and letting a Mars-launched Starship use all its fuel going from LMO to Earth (or outward!).

>>11938864
I mean I'll play devil's advocate and just say that Raptor was designed from the ground up to be highly reusable. This was easy(ish) because there has been decades of research on bell engines. Not much research has been done on aerospikes like, at all. I mean Elon could do it sure. But it would have to be way down the line (and there would need to be a reason, such as: complete homogeneity like you said, or finding out that aerospikes are way more reliant than bell engines which idk if they are)

Explain to me:

Why isn't international rocket travel a thing? I would be far faster than airplane and it would increase the interest for space.

>>11938888
Checked and it isn't a thing because there is currently no rocket that can do it (unless you want to launch 7 people at a time, have them parachute down, and waste an entire rocket. It would cost $200 mil).
SpaceX and Blue Origin could do it soon. But I don't think the FAA is going to let them

>>11938888
its loud

>>11938874
The fact that there's been so little work done on Aerospikes is exactly why I think Elon could be talked into investing in designing one with a sufficiently robust proposal. So far he has demonstrated a great willingness to take on experimental or exotic rocket technology if it offers gains in the field. Designing the highest chamber pressure FFSC rocket engine ever flown, designing it to be fired dozens if not hundreds of times over, designing a superheavy lifter twice as powerful as Saturn V on a budget only a bare fraction of the Saturn V, designing it out of structural steel instead of aerospace alloys and composites, designing it to burn LOX/Methane instead of LOX/RP-1 or LOX/LH2, designing it to be flown and landed propulsively dozens of time during it's life cycle.
Honestly, creating an economically and technologically viable aerospike wouldn't be the most ambitious thing he's done. Somebody would just have to convince him that it's worth doing, I think at some point Estronaut or Hulloman actually did ask him if he would ever consider an Aerospike and he said something to the effect of "If somebody can convince me it's better."

>>11938874
Elon can do things simply because he’s curious if he wants

>>11938892
>SpaceX and Blue Origin could do it soon. But I don't think the FAA is going to let them
thats why elon is making off shore superheavy launch ports

>>11938892
If I filled a space shuttle up with fuel, just the shuttle not the SRB's or tank, and launched it would it have enough thrust / fuel to lift off and go suborbital? It could go suborbital and glide to a runway across the world. Cargo bay could be filled with seats like a sardine can

>>11938888
You need big, powerful, fully reusable rockets with a cost per passenger less than $50,000. Starship with 100 passengers could do that. No existing rocket can.

>>11938888
No rocket for it, noise pollution is already hard to deal with in large aircraft, and a lot of countries would be really skittish about having giant multi-hundred ton guided missiles flying back and forth through their airspace on a regular basis.
It's hard enough just to keep third world shitholes from shooting down passenger planes because their garbage radars and illiterate operators can barely distinguish between a 300 ton aircraft and a 10 ton cruise missile.

>>11938902
>It's hard enough just to keep third world shitholes from shooting down passenger planes because their garbage radars and illiterate operators can barely distinguish between a 300 ton aircraft and a 10 ton cruise missile.
The obvious answer is to nuke their capital city if they shoot down a passenger rocket. Anyone who can't deal with that risk doesn't get a passenger rocket port.

>>11938905
>>11938902
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1272972228326379520 are all of you gonna ignore this? he plans to avoid airspace regulations by launching from international waters

>>11938864
>>11938874
>>11938896
>why hasn't Elon used aerospike engines
He's said he avoids them due to lack of research into the engine in interviews

>>11938906
Airspace regulations aren't a twitchy semi-literate conscript manning a SAM battery. Separate risk profiles.

>>11938905
That would be the sane and civilized answer, but Anon it's 2020, all things including morality are 100% relative and just because barbaric countries that are 70% inbred with sub 90 average IQs murder a few hundred innocent civvies on vacation doesn't mean we can retaliate against them, that would be oppressive!

>>11938910
he doesn't have to do every country

>>11938906
What? Where did he explicitly say "international waters"? You realize offshore is still US territory. He's doing this to keep the noise away from land

>>11938888
Fast ballistic missiles make nations nervous, Quads

>>11938888
Kinda like Concord on steroids. It’s loud, expensive, and not enough of an improvement over existing methods of travel to entice customers to pay a premium. Add on to that the fact that manned rockets are a much less mature technology than civilian transport aircraft, and it becomes pretty clear why no one has seriously perused it.

>>11938918

Imagine bombing countries with civilian-tripulated missiles.

Next level.

>>11938899
The shuttle didn’t have internal fuel storage (aside from the small hydrazine/nto tanks for the OMS).

>>11938929
I thought it had at least a little. The main engines shut off as soon as the big orange turd was dropped?

>>11938917
he didn't say it in that tweet but i remember him stating somewhere that it was going to be in international waters

>>11938925
I was just thinking that lmao.
>Hey Ivan, we’re going to land at Moscow Spaceport. Oh no we’re going off course. Oh no we are landing in the middle of Moscow. Oh no it had nukes in the payload bay?

>>11938931
Correct. The OMS would perform the actual orbital insertion itself. The RS-25s and their plumbing were dead weight after launch.

>>11938931
Yeah I thought so too. If the engines shut off after the tank dropped that would be retarded. Now you’re lugging around 3 heavy ass RS-25’s

Hubble took this shot of Saturn on the 4th of July.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/hubble-sees-summertime-on-saturn

>>11938935
>Hey Chang were coming up for a landing at Shanghai Spaceport. Oh no it looks like our engines cut out early. Oh no we’re headed for the Three Gorges Dam. Oh no we have a neutron bomb in the payload bay? Ah this is terrible who would’ve seen this coming oh the humanity terrible truly terrible for the CCP oh man imagine how badly it would effect them oh man ahhhhhh sorry Chang.

>>11939017
I can see the TGD becoming a target if the impending war with China gets really nasty. Definitely seems like a job for an orbital kinetic strike.

>>11938825
If starship succeeds, 2030s.
If it doesn't, nevah.

>>11939027
It's already cracking.

>>11939004
why is saturn such a strange place? and wtf is up with lapetus?

>>11939017
Ah fuck I can’t believe we’ve done this
>>11939038
Iapetus is a geologist’s puzzle. Most likely the moon shrunk while cooling and it caused a tectonic-like uplift of one huge mountain belt.

>>11938929
You could put a tank in the payload bay, maybe

>>11939027
I’ve always been curious about what a war with China would look like. Would there be a gentleman’s agreement to not use nukes? That’s the only way I could see a true war happening.

China has a weak spot and that is the TG Dam. You take it out and several of their cities lose power and millions of people die. However the US doesn’t seem to have a weak point like that. You nuke all the major cities? Alright, 95% of the US is still habitable.

How would a war on out? I can see the US avoiding a strike on the TG Dam because of its heavy loss of civilian life. Maybe if the US was being invaded outright then they’d consider destroying the TG Dam as an acceptable destruction of civilian life. But it would be a war crime?

Interesting stuff. If a war breaks out on Earth would Chinese and American colonies on the moon right? Would they realize that they have to work together?

>>11939049
>gentleman's agreement
>with China
No. If those fucking bugmen start a shooting war we nuke them first.

>>11939031
The TGD is "about to fail" every few years, I'm sick of getting excited for nothing

Are there any others like Elon who have the vision/talent/skills/drive? When Elon dies, who will push teh boundaries? Or will we re-enter an era of stagnation once more?

>>11939052
I can't wait for that shit to kick off. The ccp's evil need to be extinguished.

>>11939049
>I’ve always been curious about what a war with China would look like. Would there be a gentleman’s agreement to not use nukes? That’s the only way I could see a true war happening.
The "gentleman's agreement" is MAD.
War with China would consist of the USA, South Korea, Japan, Australia, and India all gangbanging it from every direction with aircraft and naval combat. Hong Kong and Taiwan would also do their part to fuck with the mainland.

>>11939049
As soon as it's possible for a preemptive strike, it will happen. The cold war never ended. It WILL be nuclear.

>>11938874
aerospikes have worse TWR, are much more complicated, have much more moving parts and tend to overheat and melt itself
the disadvantages simply outweigh the efficiency advantage

Elon initially wanted Raptor to be aerospike, but it's just not worth it

>>11939049
>Would there be a gentleman’s agreement to not use nukes?
The aliens would prevent nuclear war like they did with USSR/USA

In the near future, rockets will be rendered obsolete technology.

Brace yourselves.

>>11939127
Mike pls, QI is a meme.

>>11939105
All very informative and spaceflight related. Genuinely, thank you anon
>>11939127
Okay pentagon-boeing-alien technology press release. I’ll have my warp engine soon enough

>>11939082
we're on the golden path brother and it's only a few more careful steps until our permanent footprint on the solar system is all but guaranteed
once we have a substantial and sustainable population off Earth then the momentum of of the space economy will ever increasingly accelerate

>>11939133
Not quantized inertia or even that Machian stuff Fearn and Woodward are messing with.

Space propeller. Maybe even flying cars.

You'll know soon if it's legit. i'm in the dark too, not an insider, this is just stuff I've picked up.

>>11939141
Knock on wood, i’m not even kidding. I believe you but i’m superstitious and I don’t want anything to go wrong when we’re on the doorstep of the next chapter
>>11939146
Is this schizo posting or do you actually know something other than what you’ve seen on >>>/x/

>>11939151
/x/ is terrible and full of Tesla cultists who post rambling pages of old phony patents and dubious papers and no modern experiments.

I can't make you any promises,but there is a professor named david pares actively researching warp drives who recently went dark and stated he had a business related announcement for the end of July. It could be IT.

>>11939049
Hopefully there’s some big real wars soon. Historical periods without wars are fucking boring.

>>11939137
They recently admitted UFOs are aliens, but it’s not like we have their technology in a garage

>>11938924
Single flight is 90 minutes anywhere in the world. Versus 24 hours or more with lay overs and transfers.

>>11939175
If you only knew how potentially funny what you just said could be in a few days...

>>11939167
>Professor David Pares has had an interest in the Bermuda Triangle since High School. He has investigated over 32 cases and has recreated the weather forensics for 23 cases. Currently David serves as an Adjunct Professor at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, Metropolitan Community College, Nebraska Wesleyan, and at Buena Vista College. He teaches Physics, Meteorology, Physical Science, Astronomy, Physical Geography, Physical Geology and Statistics.

HMMMMMMMM

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/pares-david-42523/

>>11939167
>professor named david pares
>professor

From last I remember he was a dude that claimed he invented a warp drive in his garage and started a fundraiser.

Yeah, I do believe it is extremely legit, I will probably invent an universe in my garage and start a fundraiser too.

>>11939167
>>11939175
Look I’m not trying to be the Scully to your Mulder, but I don’t think anyone is sitting on warp tech in their garage and I CERTAINLY don’t think the pentagon filmed aaaaays zipping around our planet

>>11939186
Hey,it's very much fringe shit anon, I'll be the first to admit it,but he is a legitimate professor at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. Look him up.

i'm not asking you to send the guy money,but i find his work interesting.

>>11939179
yeah, but you would need 2 more hours get to launch platform at sea and launch platforms won't be at every city, so you will probably have to transfer anyway and the launch pad would be at sea, unlike airport near city so that's more boat/car/train travel between of those, at which point the speed advantages all go away
We need to bring back flying boats is what I'm saying

>>11939195
>We need to bring back flying boats is what I'm saying
All the major cities have close enough airports. Flying boats only make sense where you have large populations without enough flat land (or shallow water) to build a runway... so basically just Russia and various parts of the third world.

>>11939189
Anon, I honestly think that there is a 99% chance that you're right. But I still keep my eyes open. Doesn't cost me anything but a little time.

I think you should do that for the next few days. There is a slim chance you will be alive for the biggest quantum leap in technology in human history.

>>11939189
>and I CERTAINLY don’t think the pentagon filmed aaaaays zipping around our planet

Okay but the Pentagon does think that’s what they are, and no other explanation exists barring unknown human agents with technology comparable to hypothetical aliens.

>>11939200
the launchpads would be at sea or middle of nowhere
you can't launch Saturn 5 sized rocket from Heathrow or LaGuardia
half of the city would need new windows with each launch and landing

>>11939210
>you can't launch Saturn 5 sized rocket from Heathrow or LaGuardia
>half of the city would need new windows with each launch and landing
The world would be better off if they landed on most of the cities with engines still burning.

>>11938754
ive seen this movie few years back
its alright story wise and the effects are really good.

>>11939211
Oh no portland has been burned to a crisp! And nothing of value was lost

>>11938826
yeah, and you wouldn't even be the first

>>11939211
>>11939215
I know, but we're proposing a travel business, not an urban genocide (as tempting as it might be)

>>11939049
>oh, you've nuked all our major cities?
>thank you

inb4 hurricane knocks over the water tower

>>11939260
isn't that why they build a shed around it?

>>11939275
>hurricane knocks over the shed too

>>11939276
>/sfg/'s collective face when

Looks like DoE is finally getting serious about nukeplants in space. No more "assume solar panels for everything" bullshit design constraints.

https://time.com/5871667/nuclear-power-plant-moon/

Will we be able to surpass China again in space travel? So we have something in place that would bring us ahead? I don't want them to win the space race, copying or stealing technologies from free democratic western countries and taking full credit

>>11939297
>again
We're still ahead of them. Crew Dragon shits all over their best capsules, and Falcon 9 lands.

>>11939038
Looks tasty.

>>11939297
We’ve never been behind China and never will be

>>11939279
I like this image. May I save it?

bros why is space so antisemitic

>>11939316
no, I strictly forbid it

>>11939320
No worries. I think I might be able to recreate it with public domain datasets with minimal effort. I feel the last panel could use a bit more aaaa for my own tastes (of which I would have full control over during my own developmental phase).

On a similar branch of thought, in the context of rocket development, do you think it is more wise to focus on iterating among existing designs for improvement, or focusing on development of new designs entirely purely from a business perspective?

>>11939319
orbital mechanics can't be manipulated and subverted, and vacuum can't be guilted

>>11939327
full and rapid reusability or bust, do whatever you can to get there
this will involve both iterating and clean sheet designs from everybody
>>11939350
no I mean whenever Jews try to into space for non-military reasons they blow up
shuttle, that moon lander recently, are there any more

>>11939355
>>no I mean whenever Jews try to into space for non-military reasons they blow up
>shuttle, that moon lander recently, are there any more

What are you talking about?

>>11939350
>>11939319
Fuck off racist >>>/pol/

>>11939356
Both lost Shuttles had Jews on board. Israel's Beresheet lander smeared itself across the lunar surface because they didn't give it enough gas (on the braking burn) and cheaped out on materials.

>>11939359
A pair of tragic accidents with a pair of coincidences in the crew manifest. Landing on the moon is actually pretty hard, and they were doing it with a tiny lander (it rode on a Falcon 9 Rideshare for crying out loud) and a tiny budget. Space is unforgiving, and Israel hasn't made many attempts at going Beyond Low Earth Orbit.

>>11939359
it goes deeper, let's go through the list of Jews in Space
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_astronauts
Boris Volynov with Soyuz 5: his orbital module and reentry module didn't separate, and he almost burned up before the heat melted the connection between the two modules and they separated and his reentry capsule righted itself
also this was the first transfer of crew in space, I forget if that went well or if the cosmonauts almost died there too
Judith Resnik: first American jew in space. died on her second shuttle mission in the Challenger disaster
Ilan Ramon: first Israeli in space, died in the Columbia disaster on his first flight

>>11939327
of course there's a benefit from new designs
currently developing Methane-Lox engines (Raptor, BE-4, Prometheus) are a perfect compromise between previous kerosene and hydrogen rockets
iterating on cannibalized shuttle parts, Chinese poisonous doomrockets and Russian museum pieces isn't the right way forward, that's for sure
I don't share /sfg/'s hateboner for hydrogen engines, they make sense in upper stages and for ISRU

>>11939357
Aww, the leftoid is scared!
>>/lgbt/

i like this thread. i am now a part of this

>>11939371
>they make sense in upper stages
laughs in Falcon 9 stage 2

>>11939367
>it's just a coincidence
See how he recoils.

>>11939382
Falcon upper stage is about the limit of kerolox. The proposal for a Falcon Heavy Orion launch included adding a Delta IV upper stage (hydrolox) and an ICPS (hydrolox) between the Falcon upper stage and the capsule.

>>11939371
>hydrogen engines, they make sense in upper stages and for ISRU

Methalox stage delta-v is almost the same as hydrolox if you account for it's higher density, and as a bonus it is much easier to store and handle.

>>11939382
F9 upper stage isn't exactly great for interplanetary stuff though.

>>11939387
the Delta IV upper stage IS the ICPS, dumbass
the plan was to take the two and a half stage Falcon Heavy and turn it into a four and a half stage vehicle
boosters and core, stage 2, ICPS, EUS

>>11939392
F9 stage 2 is one of the highest dv stages in production

>>11939399
It also needs to spend most of that Delta-V getting into orbit. Once in orbit, the lack of specific impulse limits its capabilities for mission trajectories beyond Earth orbit.

>>11939382
you know, Falcon 9 stage 2 is actually pretty bad

Grimes will leave Elon and take 50% of SpaceX. I don't want it to happen but let's face it, we all have that fear inside of us.

>>11939234
>a travel business
>an urban genocide
y not both?

>>11939426
I don't think they're married.

>>11939426
Elon didn’t marry her for this reason. Woke chipmunk bitch ain’t getting shit

>>11939426
disregard the lure of the loins

>>11939435
I laugh every time this image is posted, it’s post-irony. Probably made as a joke but it’s actually motivating

>>11939426
>Grimes will leave Elon and take 50% of SpaceX

They’re not married retard.

>>11939038
Like a ball of poop slapped it across its face.

Guys I think the wind will break the SN5 apart

>>11939004
What would happen if you took one of the ice rocks that make saturn's rings and dropped it into Venus?

>>11939557
Earth would blow up due to the thermal effects

>>11939557
Venus would then have a thicker atmosphere.
It would take an enormous amount of calcium to sequester all the CO2 carbon in its atmosphere.

>>11939581
Let’s start finding calcium then

>>11939627
>5.5x the mass of the moon's worth of calcium hydroxide
I don't think that's going to happen.

>>11939636
Correction, 3.1 times.

>>11939643
Harvest it from some other solar systems

>>11938738
>moral conditions are arbitrary
>a survival mechanism evolved to stabilize human interaction is 'arbitrary'

Some fucking scientist you are.

>>11939371
>Chinese poisonous doomrockets and Russian museum pieces

Russian poisonous doomrocket museum pieces will never not be the ultimate kino heavy lift rockets.

The only problem with them is that politics kept the UR-700 from being built, and if it had, even if it didn't get on the moon, it almost certainly would have gotten us a Soviet Skylab in the 70s and maybe even flyback recovery of the outer boosters in the 80s and today we'd probably still see it in service as a museum piece for when the Russians need to launch one of their crazy 8m diameter ISS modules.

>>11939670
>stabilize human interactions
Surely, half the population coming to grips with the other because their conceptions of moral differ (even in the same country) can remain a stable system

>hurricane is over
>electricity is back on
yesterday was shitty, how's boca?

>>11939707
>politics kept the UR-700 from being built
You say that as if it was a bad thing. Imagine a UR-700 deciding to follow the tradition of other Russian hypergolic rockets and pulling a Nedelin.

>iSpace's hyperbola-2 is expected to have a first stage 100 km launch and landing test in H1 2021. They have plans to develop much larger, multi-core launchers...and even a space plane.

>>11939782
iSpace was the first private Chinese company to put a satellite in space, and their new rockets are methane

>>11939782
>>11939786
They have alot of former government workers in their company, I'm wondering if the Chinese government was able to use it's resources to glean info from SpaceX so that iSpace can be the Chinese version of SpaceX

>>11939782
hmmm very interesting original designs....

>>11939549
it’s meant to enter escape velocity, sure it can handle 75mph winds

>>11939793
Falcon 9/Heavy and the spaceplane looks alot like Dreamchaser

>>11939800
looks alot like X-37B***

>>11939800
>dreamchaser
it's literally just chinesium X-37

>>11939782
by the time they have a knockoff falcon 9 Starship will make them obsolete

>>11939670
Different groups with different moral beliefs existing in the same fish tank isn’t beneficial to stability.

>>11939806
I don't think it matters for China since the government can just ban people from using foreign rockets and force them to use Chinese ones.

>>11939811
No shit but they’ll still be behind other nations or at least us

>>11939017
what kind of moron would use a neutron bomb on a dam?

>>11939905
“Shut down the atoms”

>>11939905
Maybe to turn alot of the surrounding landscape into various radioactive materials to make rescue and repair more difficult?

>>11939905
irradiate the water supply

>>11938754
>Music composed by Peter Schickele
what? that's the PDQ Bach guy

also I think the Saturn effects were actually designed for 2001: A Space Odyssey, but were reused here when they didn't make the final cut.

They also used a decommissioned aircraft carrier for all the internal shots, giving it a nice bit of industrial realism.

>>11939990
It's China. They'd just replace repair workers as they die from radiation poisoning.

If deep space travel is gonna be a common occurrence, we need some form of planetary defense weapons in case of invasion,bombardment or someone aloha snackbars a city at orbital speeds

>>11940044
You mean like an Orbital Guard? Astra Militarum? Space Force?

>>11940044
MAC platforms

>>11939786
SpaceY would be too on the nose I suppose
and why not copy Apple while you're at it

What are some cool “unknown” spacecraft?

For me, it’s MASCOT, the German Asteroid lander that flew on Hayabusa2

>>11940105
DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLIES

>>11940105
I thought you'd never ask, JAXA is killing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_Moons_Exploration

>>11940105
>a fucking box
WOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI1SM6x2qko

>>11940178
i love this guy,grumpy old space man

>>11940178
>Q&A
>chat disabled
how desperate is this boomer?

>>11940127
JAXA has some awesome space missions that are either done or are in the future.

Hayabusa1 was cool but Hayabusa2 blew it out of the park with all its little rovers and shit. Absolutely amazing how they did that. And MMX will probably be the first samples returned from Phobos, ever.

>>11940189
It's through his doscord. i agree, that part is pretty gay, but it does mean he doesn't have to worry about a bunch of people spamming nigger

>>11939786
>iSpace
Well that's embarrassing.

>>11940197
>iCopy
China in a nutshell, really.

When can ufotards be culled?

>>11940202
This has been happeneing for sixty damn years. They come out of the woodwork when something happens but then Disappear when it turns out to be nothing. Don’t worry they’ll leave on their own.

>>11940201
>Chinese “Private company”

>>11940206
There's no such thing as "private" in China.

>>11940206
>sixty damn years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora,_Texas,_UFO_incident
Try 123.

>>11940178
I just doubt he adds anything of value to the conversation. EDA at least does research and stuff, he sounds more like he's reading wikipedia.

>>11940214
Something happens that they want buried? "Disclosure time!"
Same old fucking script.
But they never really disclose anything. People want to believe in Ayys, let them. UFO only means unidentified flying object and there's plenty of those. Doesn't mean it's greys come to probe your anus.

>>11940044
Has Elon shown any interest in building mechs in space? I'd like to see the Space Force make contracts with companies to build them Gundams for this type of situation.

>>11940223
Perhaps but im looking for new space related e-celeb after scott turned into a portentous faggot.
Recommendations?

>>11940236
No he wouldn't waste money on junk. CanadaArm clone is cheaper and better. On surface wheels are easier to replace and make redundant.

>>11940244
>CanadaArm clone
>tfw no lanklet canadaarm-based space mech

>>11940206
this >>11934987
whole thread got shitted on by ufotards. And I'm fucking fighting but they keep going on and on in circles. They have no proof and then just starts with
>oh you cannot disprove you're not a figment of my imagination.

Goddamn they have no ability to scientifically reason.

>>11940240
You're gonna be disappointed. Manley does good stuff.

>>11940264
>Goddamn they have no ability to scientifically reason

What did you expect? They are UFOtards after all.

>>11940244
>No he wouldn't waste money on junk
But he just had a baby with Grimes. That's at a minimum, an 18 year investment.

>>11940281
/sci/ seriously just needs a filter.

>>11940240
Stop getting caught up in the fucking e-celeb shit in the first place, dumbass. You're always going to get disappointed with your "heroes".
He releases good content, but I don't need to agree with the dude.
In fact, I don't give a fuck about what he thinks because I don't give a shit about him outside the videos he produces.

Grow up.

>>11940240
Who cares about some of his political opinions? He keeps those out of his content, and tries to seem respectful of others. Having the mindset that anyone with a slight different opinion than you must be villainized is exactly the kind of thing a "portentous faggot" would do.

>>11940240
I agree, his most recent video was too obsessed with BTFO flattards instead of actually being informative

>>11938714
What the fuck is VSVN?

>>11940261
No need for feet in zero g, thus making weird humanoid robots is ISRO tier.
https://www.cnet.com/news/meet-vyommitra-the-legless-female-humanoid-robot-indias-sending-to-space/

Robots in space will look more like this.
https://www.cnet.com/news/meet-vyommitra-the-legless-female-humanoid-robot-indias-sending-to-space/

>>11940356
Fuck this link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimon_%28robot%29

>>11940294
I was using e-celeb to be facetious. I just don't want my choice of background noise to give money to Cali fags.

>>11939038
big rock hits surface, making hot rocks fly out and land all over the moon, melting the ice on the surface.

>>11940356
>ISRO will send humanoid robot Vyommitra into space for its next unmanned mission.
Then how will it show vagene?

>>11940356
>Russia and US develop humanoid space robots
>FEDOR and Robonaut both look like robots
>India makes its own humanoid space robot
>they make it look like an attractive woman for some fucking reason
I just hope they're not dumb enough to give the thing a social media presence.

>>11940377
>>they make it look like an attractive woman for some fucking reason
"Open bob, HAL."
"I'm sorry, Pajeet, I cannot do the needful."
"Bitch lasagna."

>>11940383
It's basically this, but more Indian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MPk85tMhc

>>11940377
>>11940383
God that would be awful.
I hope that is not the reason they are constraining themselves to a human form factor. Hopefully getting humans to space will be cheap enough we will not need them.

>>11940398
>I hope that is not the reason they are constraining themselves to a human form factor.
I have worked with enough Indians not to hold out false hope on that.

>>11940369
but what about the ridge, anon?

>>11940275
Manley is a passive aggressive shit.

>>11940465
Pretty much this.
I only tolerate him because he covers good topics.

>>11940240
SpaceXcentric seems okay and he has a cute wife who is a lawyer.

Anyone that would pick good content over supporting their principles deserves neither. Fuck Manley.

>>11940452
Bight be because after the moon was hit by an earlier asteroid, it is hot and start spinning, after which the remnants of the rock fall back down on the equator of the moon, creating the ridge line

>>11939373
>Lefty
>Leftist
>Leftoid
Why do people keep making up new words for the same thing?

>>11940240
If you're interested in computers - it's not really space - this guy rebuilt an AGC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU

>>11940616
You're right, we should standardize it and just call them faggots
>>11940544
Oh yeah that is another theory, a "ring" system of debris that all fell down onto the equator. Either way Iapetus is a strange moon

>>11940616
You're asking why do synonyms exist

>>11940616
Leftmann, Leftic, Leftotron, Leftical, Leftid, Leftlike, Leftate, Leftese, Leftotory, Leftan.

>>11940616
same reason conservatives only communicate with memes: because it's easier than thinking.

Weeblon-chan strikes again.

>>11940742
>commies: NO YOU CAN'T! YOU NEED THE GOVERNMENT

>>11940690
>midwit thinks he should think

I WILL acquire my own orbital habitat embedded in an asteroid and I WILL only allow the cutest, most hung femboys inside it. No one can stop me from achieving my future Utopia.

>>11940742
n-no...you need a cost plus contract and several years of design validation & analysis...delete this....

>>11940878
No says the man in Washington, you need to pay for cost-plus!
No says the man in the Vatican, you can't just leave this rock!
No says the man in Moscow, you need to pay bribes for 60 year old technology!
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose:
Memelongrad.

>>11940910
>No says the man in the Vatican, you can't just leave this rock!

>>11940869
I'm sorry faggot, I'm afraid I can't let you do that.

>>11940910
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL EXPAND TO SEDNA AND FARFAROUT

>>11940932
Maybe if they reject Francis and his commie bullshit.

>>11940932
I should re-read Canticle for Leibowitz

>>11940964
Or (re)watch Babylon 5.

How would a regolith refinery work and how would you pack it into a starship?

>>11940932
Religion will go the way of the ICE.
It's already begun, and it's inevitable. By the time people are born and die on Mars, Godfags will be like flat-Earthers and Scientologists.

>>11941028
>How would a regolith refinery work
Apply lots and lots of electricity to regolith to split it into component elements, either from a nuclear reactor or a solar farm.
>and how would you pack it into a starship?
In pieces. You'd unpack and assemble it on site.

>>11941039
Religion is a basic impulse of mankind. The desire to understand the universe plus monkey brains designed for socialization with other monkeys equals anthropomorphic gods. I don't think we'll have much Abrahamic religion on Mars, but there will be something.

>>11941047
Exactly, just look at wokism. It's got everything from original sin and apocalypse to tithing, outgroup heretics, holy days, and martyrs.

>>11941039
>>11941047
Abrahamic religions will definitely be on mars.

>>11941039
i agree religion completely controlling society is bad, but seeing what has happened to society without religion is even worse

>>11941047
There will be philosophy and maybe spirituality (meditation and drugs, not the hippie Karen version) but no established churches.
>>11941068
No. Individuals, maybe, but no society. The people on Mars will be educated and intelligent, not religious.
>>11941074
>Society without religion
If there is a government that bans religion, that would be bad. But religion will simply die out in the future. Today, the countries with the highest living standards are overwhelmingly non-religious. (USA is an outlier for several reasons)

>>11941074
>i agree religion completely controlling society is bad, but seeing what has happened to society without religion is even worse
the problem is that a religion without social control is just LARPing

>>11941086
This is the lowest quality fedora bait that's been posted over the past few weeks, grats

>>11941086
>Tips fedora

>>11939905
Americans

>>11941086
Smart people can be religious.

>>11941086
>Today, the countries with the highest living standards are overwhelmingly non-religious.
and there are abysmally low birth rates and family cohesion, low societal stability, and extremely high levels of hedonism and individualism among the population

>>11941093
the society should be religious but the priests shouldn't control the society

>>11941047
>Cult of Mars makes a comeback
>God of war, masculinity, agriculture and patron of the harvest and soldiers
I could see that
Also maybe a machine cult if brain-machine interfaces become common enough

>>11941131
>Cult of Mars
only for ethnic italians, otherwise its a larp

>>11941136
all religion is elaborate LARPing

some of it is based though

>>11940916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9NJZUomjQ

>>11941136
>implying ethnic Italians are anything close to ethnic Romans

>>11941039
unironically based and truthpilled

>>11941154
they are, even sicillians are like 95% related to ancient romans

>>11941184
And the other 5% is crime.

>>11941213
actually a large percentage of it is greek, like 3%, and then 1-2% arab

>>11941222
same thing

>>11941225
true gr**koids are subhuman

>>11940490
Yeah Kevin is a good lad. He posted on Patreon about buying a guns a few weeks ago and after a few dickheads started moaning about muh BLM muh guns he basically told them where to go.

>>11940465
He stinks of it as well. Typical chippy Scot.

Oldspace on suicide watch.

>>11941263
>you see this rocket?
>it's only half as long as my rocket.

>>11940240
What did Scott Manley do? Why does /sci/ hate all space youtubers? EverydayAstronaut, now Scott Manley. Maybe you are just hateful.
>>11940264
UFOs are the one "paranormal" thing for which there is some tangible evidence in the form of radar tracking. It's real enough for governments to have officially studied it for decades. Has the USAF and CIA ever dedicated 50 years to Bigfoot? I used to think it was bullshit until I read about Project Blue Book. If you actually read about the subject maybe you would come to the conclusion I did: that there is indeed something unknown flying about but there is no proof it's aliens, in fact no-one has any clue what it is. It really is an interesting mystery.

Are spaceplanes an inherent meme or can they actually be useful if done right?

IMO the shuttle was a massive turd because of the lack of abort system, stupidly fragile TPS tiles, and dependence on solid boosters with questionable pressure containment abilities.

I've been brainstorming an idea for a small 10 person spaceplane with variable-geometry wings and tail fins. At some point I'm going to post a shitty mspaint drawing outlining the idea.

>>11941289
Retropropulsive vertical landing gives you the reusability of spaceplanes without the retarded aerodynamic issues.

>>11941289
I read that Philip Bono (who Musk has shamelessly ripped off) worked out way back in the 60s that they sucked and that reusable rockets were better.

If you must build a spaceplane the Russian version was better.

>>11941289
Spaceplanes serve best as alternatives to capsules because they could carry more fragile cargo and stuff. Of course, I'm referring to smaller ones like SNC Dreamchaser.

>>11941302
Dreamchaser is too far in the other direction. You want full reusability with an integral service section.

>>11941308
Wdym? If we slapped dreamchaser on a New Glenn or Super Heavy first stage, used starships heat tiles, and fitted it with a methane engine, wouldn’t it be a good ass space plane?

>>11941289
Why not just make a longer version of Kliper or Dreamchaser? No need for VG wings and fins, that's just a waste of dry mass.

>>11941314
The trunk is disposable.

The X-33 SSTO almost worked but the tanks were too heavy. Why didn't they just make them drop-tanks? A "SSTO" with throwaway tanks would work, it is basically "stage and a half" which was successfully down with Atlas except it dropped just the engines instead.

>>11941359
>A "SSTO" with throwaway tanks would work
They already had the Shuttle for that, and if you're throwing away tanks, why not some reusable SRBs?

>>11941323
>module-ejection.jpg
That looks like it would flip out of control if you had to abort in the lower atmosphere. Did the top motors have higher thrust to negate the lift or something?

>>11941359
They weren't, the lithium/aluminum tanks ended up being a tiny bit lighter than the COPVs. The problem with the vehicle was that even if it were all composites, thermal cloth and aluminum it would have been too heavy to carry any significant payload to orbit compared to it's own mass and cost, again, because it's an SSTO.
If it had drop tanks it wouldn't be an SSTO, which is fine, because SSTOs aren't good. MAKS is a spaceplane with a drop tank, obviously there's some shuttle inspiration, a bit of "what if orange tank but not retarded?" It's hoisted by a conventional aircraft first though, like Virgin Galactic.

>>11941385
I cannot find any information whatsoever on MAKS

>>11941278
People hate Scott because he’s lately been posting a lot of liberal politics stuff. He also shamelessly defending Obama cutting NASA’s budget, even in the wake of valid criticism. He’s also a smart ass and is pretty passive aggressive to people or groups of people he doesn’t like on both YouTube and social media. It just so happens that the people he doesn’t like are Conservatives.

However lately Scott has been criticizing Elon Musk to the point of denouncing his support for him. It’s a running joke that if Artemis gets cancelled and NASA is forced to suspend manned spaceflight to build a new climate observatory, Scott would defend it.

Tim Dodd is another story in a similar vein. Basically he had a livestream of the Chinese Mars Rover - Tianwen-1 - launch, and several people in the chat noted that China shouldn’t be getting praised while murdering innocent people and abusing human rights and trying to create a hegemony in the pacific. Well anyways Tim saw these comments and got angry at the posters and went on a long rant about how you should not judge another country’s actions if you’re not there and all that.

Retarded take but he’s trying to appeal to the blue checkmark audience.

So long story short, both of them came out as leftist/liberals while also taking very vocal stances on controversial issues, while giving a very obvious political bent.

In truth people are angry too that they’re getting into politics. People watch them because of space science, not to hear about how great China is or how Obama was the best thing for our country or something.

>>11941395
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAKS_(spacecraft)
It's a bizarre ship honestly, it's RD-701 engines could burn either LOX/LH2 or LOX/LH2+RP1 which it would use on separation from it's Antonov booster plane to get out of the atmosphere quickly, then it would switch to pure LOX/LH2 mode for the rest of the burn to orbit.

>>11941413
Let's be honest you're only mad that he is being political because it's the "wrong" politics from your point of view. If he had come out as a Trump supporter and said a few racist things, nobody on /sci/ would have cared, would have probably called him based. So just be honest, you don't hate him because he is political, you hate him because he is left-wing.

The Tim Dodd thing is inexcusable however, literal censorship.

>>11941413
This, and I mean I won't stop watching their space shit just because they've got retarded world views outside of space, and neither would I ever say they shouldn't have politics, it's just annoying that their politics seem to be leaking into their space content.
These threads are bad enough on that front.

>>11941418
What the fuck? That's a cool engine, but I feel like an engine designed to burn two different types of fuel won't be really efficient at burning one type. There's probably a huge efficiency tradeoff lmoa
>>11941413
This pretty much nails it. Didn't know this about estronaut. Scott immediately denouncing Elon yesterday was the funniest shit. Hullo is a huge SpaceX fan, and as soon as Musk tweets about coups and pronouns Scott grabs his phone and tries to pretend he isn't a musk fanboy

>>11941421
You’re probably right about my opinion of Scott and honesty I’m still cool with him I mean he makes top tier content.

Tim Dodd’s rant was so bizarre though I mean I was watching the stream and he sperges out halfway through and starts getting mad at people in the chat. All the while Indians and Koreans and japs were spamming the whole “Winnie the Poo, Tianamen Square” thing

>>11941413
I don't mind Scot's politics that much because he keeps most of it out of his videos.

>Well anyways Tim saw these comments and got angry at the posters and went on a long rant about how you should not judge another country’s actions if you’re not there and all that.
That part was inexcusable. China absolutely deserves to be judged for it's crimes, even by foreigners. He should've said something like "Yeah, they've done bad things, but right now I'm more interested in what they're doing in space.".

>>11941421
Different anon but I agree. They make good content but I don't like it when politics comes in to play, especially because I don't agree with it. They are entitled to their opinion- but I am also entitled to mine... and I am offended by their retardation (from my point of view). And of course this thread is going to focus on it, most people are right-leaning here so you gotta expect it
>>11941427
Do you have a link to the livestream? A timestamp would also be appreciated. This sounds so fucking funny

>>11941427
Didn't Dodd also go into a rant about how mankind should be one united people in space during his Starship Mk1 livestream?

>>11941440
he does that in every stream

>>11941440
Yeah. All these twitter spacefags seem to be blue check star trek patreon paycheck socialist double fags

>>11941436
Here’s a link to the China stream. I skipped through it and he doesn’t have any large rants he makes a bunch of comments about how we need to accept China though throughout the whole thing.

He starts taking about how “we’re all human and we should do this and that and blah blah blah” at 19:30. Note that he doesn’t say Chinese Soace Agencies, he says China as in the CCP government.

LINK
: https://youtu.be/nG2t5FgALSs

>>11941456
why don't you make a righty science channel to balance things out?

>>11941465
YouTube bans right wing science.

>tfw wanted to make a KSP/space channel, but don't play often enough to make regular content

>>11941464
Big thank you
>>11941465
Unironically would but normies don't give a fuck about geology. In my dream world I would and have people like Harrison Schmitt on

>>11941413
>he’s lately been posting a lot of liberal politics stuff
Considering he:
>is a former DJ
>works for apple
>lives in san francisco
>literally named his kids "Orion" and "Sky"
I don't see why people are particularly surprised that he's vocally left-leaning. As someone who largely disagrees with his opinions, as long he keeps his videos relatively apolitical, I don't see the issue.

>>11941487
Yeah same here I mean even back in 2012 it was obvious he was liberal. The only times issues arose are recently in which he’s been getting more vocal about stuff like the election, and of course him denouncing his support of Elon.

>Names kids Orion and Sky

Okay that shits pretty cringy. I mean unless you’re an astronaut or something it just comes across as being a wannabe

>>11941427
>>11941436
Well at least you are honest, fair enough.

I am also a left-wing youtuber but for this reason I try my best never to say anything political, even anti-Trump because I don't want to alienate anyone even if it's a minority of my fanbase. For all I know maybe some of you here subscribe to me. So I get your point that he should leave politics out of his channel. But it's not that simple, If celebrities never used their power to speak out against injustice things would never change. When is the right time to do it and when is the wrong time to do it is a tricky question with no real answer.

>>11941465
we need this

>>11941497
>and of course him denouncing his support of Elon.
Source?

>>11941497
Most people in tech are liberal. /sci/ and /g/ are aberrations.

>>11941506
Jewish media controls the tech world. 4chan is immune.

>>11941497
If I remember correctly, he has either a master's or PhD in astrophysics, and ended up at Apple due to his research focus in computer physics simulations, so he's not exactly a poser. Still can't imagine anyone that isn't a little bit granola naming their kids that, though.

>>11941478
bruh fuck normies
just put the content out there and let the audience sort itself out
i've searched geology content on youtube before, mostly for explanation of interesting rock formations

/sfg/ - Politics & E-celebs

>>11941506
Depends on the field, overall that's absolutely true, but aerospace is a bit of an anomaly in my experience. I suspect it's due to the realism that comes with accepting that your best job prospects are in the defense industry. Maybe it's just cause I went to school in the southeast, but there were still plenty of commies outside of the AE program.

>>11941475
just don't actively call for the second holocaust and you'll be fine

>>11941519
the effort to shoot and edit videos is not worth it if you are getting no views. I dislike the YouTube scene, you have to really dumb shit down to get views. People just want explosions and epic fails. I draw the line at soi-mouthed thumbnails with comic sans.

>>11941519
>>11941478
Dude if you want to make videos on geology go ahead. You should do stuff because you want to do it.

I always wanted to make a science channel on YouTube in the same vein as Astrum but I have a weird voice and I already have a channel full of bodybuilding videos that would probably be kinda embarrassing if it had more than like two subscribers.

>>11941533
I have an idea

>Make videos about how SpaceX will fail
>Use titles like “Why SpaceX’s Starship will NEVER REACH MARS.”
>Do this for a year or so
>Guaranteed to get at least several thousand followers
>Post your own videos on Reddit but pretend you’re a different person saying “This retard hates SpaceX”
>At a certain point unleash your power level and reveal that you had a change of heart or something
>Lose a lot of subscribers, but publicity and Reddit will praise you and give you more subscribers

Bonus points if you make flat earth and conspiracy videos.

>>11941538
Bonus points if spacex lands on mars with starship and you claim its fake/cgi

>>11941534
I can't use my voice on my channel either. I just use text. Dark5 used to do this well. You could also get a friend to present it for you.

>>11941538
Lol

>>11941538
That'll definitely get you views, but I'm pretty sure you'd need subscribers to make it sustainable.

So I just remembered to check on the MOMO launch. It didn't go up. Next attempt is Friday evening US time. Fuck boats.

>>11940088
SpaceXi
>>11940339
it's <N<2
>>11940869
>missing the opportunity to use the word "Cutopia"
>>11941545
You might try and see what a voice synthesizer would sound like. It could give a robotic science fiction feel. But remember, almost everyone hates what their own voice sounds like to everyone else.

>>11941538
IQ 150

Static fire test tomorrow. Hurricane Hanna was a bitch but only delayed the test by 1-2 days.

>>11941565
I'll consider that, thanks.

>>11941498
Just don't be an ass on twitter and think your better than ever one else because your kids can swim. Should be easy.....

>>11941498
>If celebrities never used their power to speak out against injustice things would never change
That would be a good thing though. When was the last time celebrities weren't totally detached fucktards when it came to activism? Vietnam?

>>11941413
Imagine being so weak and fragile that you won't watch the content of someone just because they have a different political opinion than you.
And you thought liberals were weak.

>>11941424
>>11941421
>Every /sfg/ thread is full of Trump worship, and as soon as a content creator says anything against that grain, people get so triggered they have to #cancel them.

>>11941594
Steve Irwin. We need someone like him who only cares about spaceflight and science and nothing more

>>11941498
>But it's not that simple, If celebrities never used their power to speak out against injustice things would never change.
The problem is that change is not always a good thing. Especially when it's driven by short sighted celebrities.

>>11941613
We don't go out and try to get them kicked off platforms or fired from their jobs. We realize they're naive dipshits and roll our eyes.

>>11941498
>I am also a left-wing youtuber but for this reason I try my best never to say anything political, even anti-Trump because I don't want to alienate anyone even if it's a minority of my fanbase.
Right-wingers are just as sensitive as liberals but with less self-awareness.

>>11941625
What is gamergate? the right doxxes just as hard as the left. You just can't cancel because you aren't in control of the media but you would if you could.

>>11941641
Investigative Journalism that reports on acts of corruption between game developers and games journalists and colluding for group narratives to try and increase sales is not doxxing.

Man I sure do love space

>>11941641
>Projecting this hard

>>11941649
Priorities. We can't get to space if Boca Chica is torched in a civil war or SpaceX gets nationalized because Biden's VP wants to pay for reparations.

>>11941651
My only hope is that SpaceX is already PopSci enough to survive any political climate.

>>11941515
The 24/7 political spam is all jewish schemes.
Remember when people found out that bbc posting came from a synagogue in Israel?

>>11941647
>posting someone's address forcing them to flee their home
>investigative journalism

>>11941613
Hey man, I either try to talk about politics or talk about space, I don't think that's a bad standard to hold whatever part of the autisti-I mean political spectrum you land on.

>>11941661
>Implying gamergate was all about doxxing
fukkouttahere.

>>11941661
That type of shit has been sanctioned by the largest papers in the country already. To not do the same back would be retarded

>>11941666
It was about virginity

>>11941661
Found the SJW. Good job with your narrative. Too bad, no one outside of your bubble believes that.

I made a mistake engaging the troll.

I, too, love space.

>>11941625
>We don't go out and try to get them kicked off platforms or fired from their jobs. We realize they're naive dipshits and roll our eyes.
No you just whine on 4chan and post wojacks because you have nothing better to do

>>11941661
Still spreading fake news eh? Trump 2020 is secured at this rate.

I’m gonna take the stance that politicsposting on /SFG/ is relevant under the basis of politics and spaceflight being deeply intertwined. Also it seems like every space flight personality is political nowadays, so how do you avoid that?

>>11941263
wait they didn't remove the worm logo for the korean launch?

Get politics out of this general, fuck liberals, fuck printing, fuck calling starship a spaceplane, fuck EM Drive fags, fuck hydrolox, love me methane, love me TSTO, love me cassini mission, simple as

Now on to more pressing matters. If I were to hypothetically argue Space Shuttle as a single stage to orbit vehicle would I necessarily be wrong?

>>11941679
I never see any politics on r/spaceflight. /sfg/ is just full of angry people venting about having their supremacist plans for space travel silenced by mainstream media.

>>11941683
It drops shit off after it runs out of fuel in order to make orbit. Its not a single stage to orbit vehicle, but a parallel staged vehicle.

>>11941683
Oh fuck OH FUCK OH I'M GONNA PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONT AH MY PLASTIC IT'S EXTROOOOOOOOODING!

>>11941686
r/spaceflight mods deletes them
people come here to vent because no one stops them

>/sci/ mocks anyone who holds a fringe belief within the scientific community
>except on race/sex/gender, mainstream science is wrong and a bunch of undergrads on a Korean imageboard who don't even major in psychology are right

>>11941694
And the Reddit model works, you can actually have a conversation on spaceflight there.

>>11941698
Then go back

>>11941698

>tfw too scared to show your face on your science/tech channel because of all this bigotry.
50 bucks says if I did I'd get doxxed by a bunch of you in the belief that my channel was sponsored by Jews even if I never mentioned anything political.

>>11941705
1. You're ridiculous
2. You're making terrible assumptions about people
3. You're misplacing your faith in others when you believe you can slot the good people and the bad people into tidy boxes without overlap.

>>11941681
No. Based Koreans kept it on.

Has anyone on /sfg/ thought about starting their own kind of space startup? It seems that now would be the time to try setting up ground and figuring out technology to try and get your foot in the door.
What would your space startup be?

I didn't see the rest of it until now.

>>11941705
Dude I’m half Mexican and I don’t care what color you are you’re only Jewish if your opinions suck ass

>>11941696
>playing video games is a disorder
>killing yourself because you have unfixably wrecked your body with hormones or surgery is normal

>>11941724
Jews are an actual ethnic group, Anon.

>>11941721
Yes. Back in high school I had a fantasy of:

>Start an amateur rocket club
>Build a sounding rocket that reaches space
>Earn a few million for some NASA flights with a payload
>Use the NASA money to fund more launches as well as a Falcon 1-esque vehicle
>Fly the orbital vehicle eventually
>Doninate the smallest market, rack in cash from LEO constellation launches
>Using the money, fund a larger vehicle in the same size range as Falcon 9 v1.0
>Fly the larger orbital vehicle a lot and dominate the GTO market
>Use funds from this to develop a fully reusable variant
>MFW a group of amateur rocketeer ended up founding the creation of a fully reusable crew transport to LEO.

This was back in 2016

>>11941721
orbital servers

>>11941613
Nobody forced him to be a libtard
Open borders for boca chica when ?

check out the seethe in this thread
https://old.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/hychbc/long_sourced_list_of_elon_musks_criminal_illegal/

>>11941705
Go back

>>11941722

>>11941696
Just because academics opine on things does not automatically make them right, if a multifield 200 IQ PHD tells me gravity actually isn't real and if I cut my hands off and flap my arm stumps and believe really hard that I'll sprout wings and fly, I'll call them a fucking retard.
>>11941698
Return from whence you came.

>>11941753
It's not even funny it's just fucking annoying. I hate reddit so fucking much I can't even put it into words. Musk is so good at shrugging that shit off. Idk if it was ironic or not but Musk liked a tweet today talking about Elon Musk organizing a coup in Bolivia and then having a threesome with amber heard

>>11940232
It is aliens deal with it

>>11941753
>His wealth comes not from scientific discovery or innovation, but from his father funding his first business ventures, and from buying and selling companies such as PayPal, SolarCity, SpaceX, and Tesla.
Ahahahaha what the fuck

>>11941683
The Shuttle is a hydrologs+SRB booster/sustainer like Ariane 5 or H-IIA/B, but is still technically SSTO (or 1.75STO) because the sustainer enginrs are on the Orbiter, with integral payload bay.

>>11941755
The part I'm seeing is the massive contradiction between statement 1 and statement 2.
>Government stimulus is not in the best interest of the people.
>But UBI which is permanent welfare for every single citizen is.

>>11941039
>Unironic fedora tipping

>>11941764
>hydrologs
My god, now that you mention it...why has NASA never done a hydrogen + wood engine?

>>11941766
Read the last statement carefully. You'll see why.

>>11941721
My space startup would be grant/sucker farming QI/MOND/Mach research, launching the test articles to orbit, while reselling spare capacity in my payload subdivision to smallsat users.

>>11941766
"Stimulus packages" usually involve giving most of the guaranteed stimulus money to "struggling companies" which are already making a buttload of money. For example I think the last stimulus package somehow gave billions of dollars to Boeing. I'm not Musk but I think what he is saying is that he would rather just have UBI because at least the money goes straight to people

>>11941771
>hydrologs
>cryogenic wood alcohol plus LH2

>>11941763
Shit like this is why a basic civics+econ course should be mandatory for all high schoolers.

>>11941761
Elon Musk fucking two models at once just makes him sound like the ultimate gigachad

>>11941781
You don't understand, anon. Anything that makes Shaniqua and Tyrone fail disproportionately is racist, regardless of cause. This will not end until leftism is purged from all levels of government.

>>11941753
>Wants to privatize space travel, leaving colonization and exploration to to the richest few.
what the fuck, he's actually making space travel MORE accessible to people with less money by developing cheaper rockets. i have a feeling these people know either literally nothing about rocketry and space travel, are payed by boeing, or both

>>11941776
>"Stimulus packages" usually involve giving most of the guaranteed stimulus money to "struggling companies" which are already making a buttload of money.
...and subsequently getting that money back after the investment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008
>Early estimates for the total cost of the bailout to the government were as much as $700 billion, however TARP recovered funds totalling $441.7 billion from $426.4 billion invested, earning a $15.3 billion profit or an annualized rate of return of 0.6% and perhaps a loss when adjusted for inflation.[3]

>>11941771
>>11941777
all that carbon waste product is dead weight and fouling hazard

>>11941753
LMAO. The absolute seethe in this thread. The guy posting it is full liberal sjw kind.

Congratulations, you have successfully fallen into "everything is political so every discussion should be 99% about politics, everywhere" trap. It was fun while it lasted, /sfg/.

>>11941796
Peepeepoopoo

>>11941791
Money that was given back after the stimulus package was used to buy back shares at discount prices then waited for it to skyrocket and make astronomical profits. The stimulus made the rich richer lmao.

>>11941777
>>11941771
What type of wood has the highest specific impulse?
Something like balsa because it's so light, or a denser hard wood like maple?

>>11941796
Spaceflight has always been neck deep in politics. Half the reason Starship is so exciting is it will be cheap enough for average Joes to put shit in orbit and break that link.

how do these twitter leftists not realize that without privatization in space, space will literally never be accessible to the average person. do they seriously think the SLS is gonna enable cheap space travel?

>>11941753
Based, fuck Musk

>>11941802
>What type of wood has the highest specific impulse?
The kind that fossilizes as petroleum and gets refined into RP-1.

>>11941805
>Thinking they know literally anything about rocketry

>>11941809
...Nigga what

>>11941756
It's not just opinion though there's decades of research on these things.

>>11941804
Maybe you should break that link in this thread too, so it isn't so shit.

>>11941810
I bet they think space is like their beloved Soi Wars and stuff, where rockets need escape pods and we've actually invented warp travel.
>>11941807
More like: Musk fucks your mother. It's quite possible too, his latest midwife was a girl who still thought being edgy was counter cultural.

>>11941805
Because they don't care about space or rockets. They care about "cancelling" Elon Musk.

>>11941805
I've got a revolutionary question here.
Who in the fuck cares about what twittards think, say, or do? Their lives literally revolve around complaining and being vitriolic on a dying social media platform run by authoritarian cock inhalers. God I wish people would just shut their fucking mouths about twitter, twittards, and just let the garbage fire of a site die in peace where it doesn't have to shit up every other topic of discussion on Earth.

Reactionless Drive with tons of thrust, or Compact Fusion with tons of power. You only get one. Which do you choose and why, in other words, which one would be more beneficial to space flight

>>11941802
Just looked it up. Apparently Osage orange had a energy density of 32.9 BTU per cord (fucking imperial system) which is 35,000 joule per cord which is 128 cubic feet or 3.62m.
So 9668 joules per cubic metre
That wood has a density of 805 kg per cubic metre. So about 12 joules per kg.

Apparently LH2 has an energy density of 119,930,000 joules per kg.
I'm pretty sure I did something wrong here.

>>11941827
sorry, meant to say reddit leftist

>>11941836
Tw*tter and R*ddit can be made interchangeable in terms of how little I give a fuck about their opinions, and how shitty they make threads.

>>11941831
Fusion is necessary for basically everything else fun, and many fusion designs have 0.4c delta V for interstellar missions. Unless the reactionless drive is FTL capable, fusion is the easy and obvious choice.

>>11941827
>>11941836
https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.z5ry4bucq

>>11941831
Assuming that the reaction drives are "true" ones where they are allowed to give physics the middle finger and don't get downgraded to photon drives, then those would be the superior option. They can do everything compact fusion can, but better. Easy space transport and literally unlimited power generation would help space flight tremendously.

>>11941847
>Assuming that the reactionless drives are "true" ones
Fixed.

>>11941844
I ain't clicking that shit, it's obviously not spaceflight related.
Fuckoff.

>>11941847
Wait are you suggesting reactionless drives would also give us power? Tha fuck, how would that work? I'm under the impression that you would need some sort of power bank to supply energy into a drive.
>>11941843
Interesting. I would have gone with reactionless drive. The ability to hop into a craft and casually take it to space / other planets like some sort of star citizen ship seems like a really good deal.

>>11941831
Reactionless drive, obviously. A fusion torch still demands a large reaction mass fraction, and it's ISP is still far too limited for economical interstellar travel.
A true reactionless drive unlocks everything, especially if it has a high TWR.

>>11941855
>Not reading every piece of Taleb's writing
SpaceX set the rules of private space flight by being a persistent minority, nutjobs on Twitter do the same for the sociopolitical space.

>>11941861
then take it to /tfg/ twitter fuckwads general

>>11941861
Only because people care about twitter, stop fucking paying attention to them, mock them, scorn and publicly laugh at anybody who takes them seriously. Twitter's power exists only because people give it to them by taking them seriously.
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