/sci/ - Science & Math

It's just an useful mathematical description, only brainlet think this is physically true.

>>11940557
how do you explain quantum leap ?

>>11940557
how do you explain the dual slit experiment?

>>11940591
>>11940596
>muh quantom leap
>muh double slit
>muh jew physics
samefag brainlet

>>11940605
apparently you can't, thanks for the answer.

>Muh electric faggotverse
Fuck off

>>11940596

I think light being both a particle and a wave is a far more sensible explanation for the double slit experiment than the Many Worlds Interpretation.

>>11940561
/thread
Op thinks he’s smart for this but he is just a faggot.

>>11940618
https://medium.com/science-first/the-double-slit-experiment-demystified-disproving-the-quantum-consciousness-connection-ee8384a50e2f

>>11940647
>medium.com
>laughing_whores.jpg

>>11940647
do you have a reason why we should listen to someone with a bachelors in physics (not a masters or doctorate in quantum physics, like the people who study this field) thats argument boils down to "i dont get it so its wrong lol"?

>>11940557

So, OP, what’s your alternative?

A theory that implies you’re going to end up as a drooling, sickly, quadriplegic, suffering but conscious blob that won’t die until the heat death of the universe? If you can believe it or not, that’s the main alternative to the idea of light being both a particle and a wave.

I’ll take light being both a particle and a wave. Thank you.

>>11940596
Particles have free will

>>11940557
imagine not subscribing to pilot wave theory

fucking plebs

>>11940557

Wave: what's the medium?

Particle: You can't have a localized distribution described by a single frequency.

Photoelectric effect:. Matter can only absorbs light in discrete packets. Nothing can be interfered about light.

EM and aether is the only plausible theory.

>>11940557
Light is NEITHER a particle nor a wave. Those are MODELS.

>>11940890
Then what is it?

>>11940596
>how do you explain the dual slit experiment

Hard balls and waves make interference patterns. Pic related. Classical hard ball double slit simulation.

>>11940900

The system.

>>11940898
We literally dont know.

>>11940898
Just light.

>>11940908
So I guess we should just completely ignore it

>>11940898
Particles are excitation of quantum fields

>>11940914
Shaky foundations only lead to collapse.
Instead of investigating we are putting it on the side like its a done deal.

>>11940914
We have models that make testable predictions about it. What more do you want?

>>11940557
>Light is a wave without a medium
okay, boomer

>>11940904
Please show it in action

How can a ball bounce off a different trajectory it might have taken?

>>11941188
>How can a ball bounce off a different trajectory it might have taken?

How does a ball bounce? I suppose you are a Quantum Fanboy and therefore beyond saving.

>>11941195
Off surface

Theres nothing to cause an interference pattern if nothing interferes m8

>>11941227
>Theres nothing to cause an interference pattern if nothing interferes m8

Except the balls, when each go through individually, and do create an interference pattern. This is the problem with modern physics. Results from classy physics are misunderstood and then something dumb and aphysical is invented instead.

>>11941188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1YqgPAtzho

Why don't they just say it's neither? it's just some third thing.

>>11940605
founded by twol gentiles and two jews

>>11941262

This isn't accurate. The balls will bounce off the walls and either have their original velocity or one mirrored on the axis of the wall. I ACTUALLY did the simulation. The video is wrong.

>>11941284
>I ACTUALLY did the simulation
Oh yeah? Well I actually did the experiment (so do tens of thousands of students every year), and it checks out.

>>11941284
Here's another video since you didn't like Dr. Quantum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpXrbZ4bnU

>>11941294
>Oh yeah? Well I actually did the experiment (so do tens of thousands of students every year), and it checks out.

Ok. What were the balls made of? How did you accelerate them? How did you record where they hit on the back stop?

Also I read the description for the video. It credits tv and microwaves as being invented by quantum physicists. I can't believe you are this gullible. I asked my quantum physics professor at the University of California and he could only honestly name the quantum tunneling diode. Also, iPhone engineers are not fucking quantum physicists.

>>11941300
>Here's another video since you didn't like Dr. Quantum

Great. Thanks. These YouTube videos are really filling in the gaps the graduate level physics courses didn't cover.

>>11941315
>graduate level physics courses
Introductory modern physics freshman year

>>11941318

Why don't you just go back to drooling Infront of YouTube?

>>11941307
>What were the balls made of? How did you accelerate them? How did you record where they hit on the back stop?
I did the experiment with a laser beam attenuated to the point of being equivalent to only a single photon per meter while going through the double slit. Letting these photons accumulate over a few seconds on a high sensitivity detector produced an interference pattern: The single photons were interfering with themselves as they went through the slits. Pic highly related.

>>11941331
Too busy writing a research report about what I've been working on for the past two months.

>>11940605
lmao polack is too retarded to understand something so it must be Jewish physics. What a fucking retard. Current state of sci

>>11941333
>I did the experiment with a laser beam

I guess you don't have the intelligence to understand I'm talking about hard balls elastically bouncing off walls, which I've proven creates an interference pattern.

>>11941342
>I'm talking about hard balls elastically bouncing off walls
If the balls are macroscopic, they won't create an interference pattern you can detect.
Yes, all matter can act like a wave and interfere, but not on a scale that is measurable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_wave

>>11940557
would particle be physical and wave be sound? Like, the transition of particles around the medium in trajectory?

Dumbfuck science brainlet here

>>11941361

Kewl who needs graduate school when you got YouTube and Wikipedia right?

>>11941374
nope sound is not a particle. nothing like light (other then the fact of how waves act which is kind of universal)

>>11941374
So the wave that is made by the particle in motion is an entirely different thing?

>>11941376
>YouTube and Wikipedia
libgen is the real answer if you just want to learn stuff. And sci-hub to keep up with current research.

>>11940993
He's a zoomer, so he thinks we need to fully know the ~underlying mechanism~ of everything.

Based, fuck Jews.
Also none of that shit matters at subatomic levels anyways.

>>11941491
quantum computers already shown quantum supremacy. does it really now matter?

>>11941491
>none of that shit matters at subatomic levels anyways.
Do you enjoy being able to see? Ever wonder how the light coming from objects gets detected by your eyes and understood by your brain?

>>11941493
>quantum computers already shown quantum supremacy
We're on the verge of realizing a quantum advantage; we just need a way to efficiently scale things up. Quantum computing is also only more efficient for certain workloads/problems. You'll probably never be able to go out and buy a quantum computer like you can a laptop; the applications are too specialized at the moment. Consumer electronics may have "quantum enabled" chips or something for special tasks in the same vein as GPUs today.

What implications does the double slit experiment have on binocular vision

>>11941520
consumer quantum computers won't be any better than regular computers, they'll just want to slap the word "quantum" on their product and make you pay more

>>11941507
>Do you enjoy being able to see?

So basically you can cure blindness with your understanding of quantum mechanics from YouTube? Neat .

>>11940605
>muh jew physics
lmao physics has no religion brainlet, it works the same no matter what imaginary friend you choose to believe in

>>11940681
For you, my friend

>>11940888
>aether
was proved wrong like a 100 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment

>>11940784
official answer is: superposition
and no one knows wtf it is, anyone claiming to do so is full of shit

>>11941262
starts ok, but at (4:00) it succumbs to /x/ bs

>>11941256
>Results from classy physics are misunderstood and then something dumb and aphysical is invented instead.
Ok, I’ll bite. Explain why QM models can predict experiments and how it is the most accurate model we have till now.
Also explain how classical models would be more accurate while failing in their predictions, especially in the regimes predicted by QM.

>>11941376
>wikipedia
literally the most reliable and up-to-date source of information

>>11940647
"Quantum conscious connection"?
Fucking shit anon you are a fucking retard
If your knee-jerk reaction against QM is because you think it has to do with consciousness it means you have no understanding of QM and you're a retard

>>11940900
>>11940904
oh look it's this retard again

>>11940557
>>Light is both a particle and a wave
no, it has the properties of both a particle and a wave

>have problem
>define new notation as the solution
>win nobbel prize
am i sientist yet

>>11942438
>Explain why QM models can predict experiments and how it is the most accurate model we have till now.

Which one?

>>11942490

QM Fanboy detected.

>>11942497
>oh look it's this retard again

Do you have an actual counter argument against my system or simulation results or are you just a troll? No one is stopping you from believing in zombie cats and FTL information travel

>>11940631
>I think light being both a particle and a wave is a far more sensible explanation for the double slit experiment than the Many Worlds Interpretation.
These aren't mutually exclusive. Light being both a particle and a wave is an observable phenomenon using experiments such as a double slit experiment. Many Worlds is just one of the interpretation of what actually occurs there. Of course the standard being the Copenhagen interpretation which is accepted by most scientists, but boy does Hollywood like their Many Worlds circlejerk

>>11940898
Photons. Packets of energy that have momentum, but no mass, don't experience time, and always travel at the maximum speed allowed by this system.

>>11942884
No such thing

>>11942888
Many anons have already explained to you why your stupid computer simulation is insufficient as a disproof of the observed effects of QM but you don't listen because you're an ideologically motivated retard.

>>11942920
>Many anons have already explained to you why your stupid computer simulation is insufficient as a disproof of the observed effects of QM but you don't listen because you're an ideologically motivated retard

I am motivated by science. Why do brainlets always use the "it's been disproven already" argument?

>>11942926
>I am motivated by science.
No you aren't. You are motivated by a desire to prove a classical view of the universe is consistent with observation when it isnt.
>Why do brainlets always use the "it's been disproven already" argument
Because it has been, and I am smarter than you.

>>11942907
>and always travel at the maximum speed allowed by this system.
*blocks your path*

>>11942935
kek

>>11942883
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

>>11942933
>Because it has been, and I am smarter than you.

Can you at least give me a hint who debunked my simulation, when, and how?

>>11942953

Jesus Christ you people are dumb and lazy.

Stupid motherfucker, Light is not both a particle and a wave. It can operate simultaneously as one or the other, we don't know how, but there have been numerous rigorous experiments demonstrating light behaving in both manners

>>11943182
>>11942573
>>11940557
>It's a particle and a wave!
>No it's neither a particle nor a wave, but acts as both
>Lets pretend like this means anything at all since we have no clue what light is
>>11942390
>Lists a null result experiment and uses it as a foundation for other experiments.
You suck at science. Back to square one, physishit

>Discover EU
>Bunch of old sci fags are mad they are no longer relevant
>brigade against these new revelations
>implying “scientists” are any better or more useful than fucking economists

>>11943000
you just need the right potential, brainlet.
You can’t call QM bullshit while not even bothering to read the wiki and call others lazy and stupid at the same time.

Light is energy and it can be described as both.

A particle can transfer energy (like light) but not be a wave bcus straight line exists.
A wave describes the frequency and space between particles not just the form itself. "Einstein believed light is a particle (photon) and the flow of photons is a wave. The main point of Einstein's light quantum theory is that light's energy is related to its oscillation frequency."So as said here the emphasis is on the wavelength not the wave-form or movement of particles up and down.

Light could be described as energy during energy tansfer for easier understandabuility.

If I AM STUPID please let me know if I have this figured out completely wrong.

>>11943649
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T9q-v4lBGuw

What we call particles have behavior mimicking certain aspects of true matter. What we call waves have behavior mimicking other aspects. You're looking at it from the wrong direction

>>11943659
>You can’t call QM bullshit while not even bothering to read the wiki

I hold a graduate degree in nanotechnology from the University of California. Reading a Wikipedia article is well beneath me. Do you have an actual phenomena you think can only be explained with Quantum mechanics?

>>11943743
>nanotechnology
Not him but that hardly makes you a quantum physicist. You're operating on hollywood scientist rules

>>11943743
No you don't. You didn't even understand the derivation of Schrodinger equation in this thread >>11937044
>>11943749
He's a liar.

>>11943749
>Not him but that hardly makes you a quantum physicist

Why would I ever claim that? I've studied QM at the graduate level. I'd call myself an astrologer before a Quantum physicist.

>>11943767
Are you trying to dethrone tooker as resident nut or something?

>>11943761
>You didn't even understand the derivation of Schrodinger equation

Schrodinger's derivation was for a quantity called charge density. Later it was reimagined to describe a quantity called complex probability amplitude. Complex probability amplitude has never and can never be observed, thus QM Is not falsifiable. Can you refute this fact?

>>11943772
>Are you trying to dethrone tooker as resident nut or something?

I actually came here to have an intelligent conversation. imagine my disappointment!

>>11943781
Imagine mine when you did

>>11943732
>m

>>11943778
It's refuted in the thread just linked.

>>11941380
Tho my acoustics teachers always repeated that rules of acoustics are the same as rules of optics.

I'm lost.

>>11943789
>It's refuted in the thread just linked

More lazy retards. Can you give me a few hints where and when someone observed a complex probability amplitude? Also can you explain how you begin a derivation for an equation that describes complex probability amplitude by first mistaking it for charge density and still get a universal law?

>>11943801
Why would you expect people to throw the same information that they already have down the black hole that is your lack of a brain? You are a pseud, schizo, or some combination of the two

>>11943805
>Why would you expect people to throw the same information that they already

No one ever answer the question.

>>11943817
Because people already did and instead of actually internalizing the response you lapped up your own rancid shit

>>11943822
>Because people already did

Can you give me a link? What is it with you retards and dodging inconvenient questions with a vague claim it was already answered but never being able to show that?

>>11943836
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not him, but if you can't refute him yourself neither link the post in which someone supposedly refuted him, you shouldn't claim he is wrong

>>11943743
>Do you have an actual phenomena you think can only be explained with Quantum mechanics?
see, you’re really lacking fundamentals here. I recommend you rethink your stance of wikipedia being “beneath you”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics#Applications
>energy levels, uncertainty, tunneling, lasers, blackbody radiation, double slit, semiconductors,...

>>11940596
There exists more than one temporal dimension. Think of time like a sphere where the radius is the temporal dimension we know of now.

The random nature in quantum is due to the other two temporal dimensions.

>>11943923
>>energy levels, uncertainty, tunneling, lasers, blackbody radiation, double slit, semiconductors,...

Semiconductors aren't designed by quantum physicists retard. They are governed by solid state physics equations not Schrodinger's equation. I see most things on this list don't have to do with quantum physics either but quantum physicists take credit for. How fucking pathetic.

>>11944068
And what do you think theoretical and computational solid-state physics is? Yeah.

>>11941612
gigabased

>>11944160

I don't think it's anything. I know what it is. And it's not quantum mechanics. It's not Schrodinger's equation. It's not probability amplitude. It's not wave function collapse.

>>11944256
You're a sniveling dogshit fucking retard

>>11944261
>You're a sniveling dogshit fucking retard

I'm also a gun whose was paid to do research into semiconductors in grad school. Designed and fabricated semiconductors. It's got nothing to do with complex probability amplitude wave function collapse.

>>11944275
dude, you think you're a gun, get fucking help

>>11940605
based

>>11940900
>>11940904
With this setup many balls would bounce backwards and not hit the detector behind the double slit.
This never happens, not once, because particles are not balls, but waves.

>>11944314

I'm still waiting for your paper mentioning how reflection never happens.

>>11944068
>>11944068
>do you have an actual phenomena that can only be explained with quantum mechanics?
>Semiconductors aren't designed by quantum physicists retard.


>most things on the list cant only be explained by quantum physics
please name or define one framework that explains them all and does so well enough to be able to make predictions.

nobody ever expIained to me what a wave is. RippIes doesn't reaIIy make sense because water waves for instance are reaIIy just a bunch of water particIes moving.

>>11944068
Semiconductors show a gap between conduction and valence band. Band structure theory stems from quantum mechanics.

>>11940557
particles are waves retard

>>11945427
the movement of the water is roughly wave-like.
Basically any quantity that solves the wave equation is one. The neatest example I can think of is the fields in Electromagnetism.

>>11945454
Thats just made up fairy tale shit

I'm sorry I came to this board. Every thread here is like this. I mean wtf.
Every reply is
>I'm smartest you r dumb
Does anyone know a single thing about what your talking about? Do you even care? No its just another thin premise to be pompous assholes. Jesus wept.

>>11940605
>jew physics
are you fucking retarded
experiments give the same results whatever your religion or ethnicity is you stupid fucking faggot

>>11940784

>A theory that implies you’re going to end up as a drooling, sickly, quadriplegic, suffering but conscious blob that won’t die until the heat death of the universe? If you can believe it or not, that’s the main alternative to the idea of light being both a particle and a wave.

Can you expand on this? what do you mean?

>>11942893
>Copenhagen
>your consciousness effects reality!
I thought /sci/ was free of pseuds?

>>11940684
NOOOOOOO HE DOESNT HAVE THE CREDITERINOS

>>11940784
Look at this retard openly admitting he chooses his beliefs based in what makes him feel better.

>>11941458
To be fair, biological creationists insist on this criteria for proof in human intelligence.

Don't forget (You) are ultimately a wave as well!
The entire fucking universe is a wave, and we are riding it!

I agree in so far as that the wave-likeness of light from the double slit experiment gets applied way too broadly, and it's merely a term used to say "here it's like with the double slit experiment", while the analogy doesn't really hold.
And that ugly hack with an unfit name is only necessary, after all, if you believe in Copenhagen.

>>11944452
I already did in the last thread you fucking piece of dosghit. I literally did post a paper where they said this.
Set up the experiment yourself and you will see it you fucking shit for brains faggot.
This is how we know you never studied quantum mechanics in graduate school, because you would have performed a double slit experiment yourself and seen this you lying low iq coping moron.

Why the fuck are we still allowing these fucking idiots to post this shit on the science board.

>>11943920
The link was LITERALLY JUST POSTED you fucking idiot

>>11945490
No it isn't
Why the fuck are you so insistent on showing yourself to be a moron

>>11945899

>>11940596
Phase, when waves are out of phase they act in weird ways, like a subwoofer.

>>11940557
It's neither a wave nor a particle; it's something that has wave-like properties and particle-like properties.

>>11940900
>>11940904
why are there so many schizos here?

>>11940900
>>11941380
>>11943735
>>11944314
>>11945427
>>11946271
>>11945468
>waves

Of what?

>>11946918
Spacetime

>>11946946
>waves of a ,model

Oh, I thought we were talking about something in reality that does something. My bad.

>>11940557
>t. Gender fluid particle.

>>11943743
sure you are
more like a lamb raper from denver

>>11940557
>water is both a river and a single drop
Lol people actually believe this?

>>11947059
No, now they actually believe
>water is neither a river nor a single drop
>but behaves as both

Isn't "science" great?

I just noticed for the first time ever that pepe's facial hair is the chalk lmao

Why do people get so hung up about the double slit
It's literally just a probability question
Like asking the probability of how many cocks OP sucks

>>11947356
It has physical implications beyond the mathematical description.

>>11946952
spacetime does exist at least try to understand general relativity before you post here

>>11947913
>spacetime does exist
As a model, yes. As something that does something? No.
>at least try to understand general relativity before you post here
I do, which is why I referred to spacetime as a "model". Retard.

Time-a measurement. Does not actually exist as something, it's a standard of measure imagined by humans based on real physical interactions that actually exist
Space- A privation. Defined by everything that it is not. Has no properties.
>combined into one term
"Spacetime" was combined and used to define "spacetime:the model". There is no actual place or real thing known as "Spacetime" that you can actually show me without defining it using another measurement or arbitrary placeholder that doesn't exist.

>but that's wrong
okay, so test either in an experiment and see what properties they have.
>they can be bent
Which would be a description, but doesn't allude to what they are or how they do that nor how they even exist in the first place.

>>11945861
where is it ever implied in the Copenhagen interpretation that consciousness has anything to do with it?
also, define consciousness.

>>11948002
get a fucking ruler and a stopwatch and you can measure its properties right at home.
measuring c as constant in vacuum for every reference frame is a bit harder, but it’s been done multiple times.
This is it. everything else follows.

goddamn schizos are so annoying.
>muh space and time doesn’t exist, look at my contrarian position, I’m so smort

>>11945861
That's not what Copenhagen is you fucking idiot.

>>11949631
>get a fucking ruler
A standard of measure
>and a stopwatch
another one
>and you can measure its properties right at home.
But I still don't have *the thing* to be measured. How do I measure time with time How do I measure space with a ruler when it has no properties to be measured?
>time is time
>measure the absence of something else
Doesn't work

>measuring c as constant in vacuum for every reference frame is a bit harder
>something travels in nothing?
>but it’s been done multiple times.
It has, and each time it seems to prove that light doesn't actually have a speed and is based on how much shit is interfering with it. That's why it's a *constant* (there is nothing constant about something that changes depending on the medium) only in a vacuum, and we can nevewr even make a perfect one.
>This is it. everything else follows.
Yeah that is it. Space and Time do not exist.


>muh space and time doesn’t exist, look at my contrarian position,
No it's a position based on the evidence and information available about the subjects we're talking about. Unless you would like to clarify what Space and Time actually are and how they do something in and of themselves then be my guest. Stop asking me to verify your claims though, burden of proof isn't on me to prove what you're saying exists.

>>11949754
So? Dr. Quantum said so. You can see his video on YouTube yourself.

>>11949872
What the fuck are you talking about. Have you ever studied physics at an actual university?
Copenhagen is the logical positivist position about QM. It says that because particles are not observables, we aren't allowed to talk about them, so shut up and calculate.
It is the interpretation that is the LEAST metaphysical and attaches NO explanation for what is happening during superposition.

>>11949882

>Credentialism

Dr. Quantum did an experiment in his video and the result was that conscious affects the outcome of the double slit experiment. This means there are many world. And those worlds are created by our own consciousness.

>>11949915

See for yourself, retard

https://youtu.be/Q1YqgPAtzho

>>11945427
A wave is created any time the a quantity is oscilating at one location and this oscillation is transmitted to other positions at a finite rate.

>>11949915
>>11949920
Holy fucking shit you're a fucking retard

>>11949951
>Holy fucking shit you're a fucking retard

What a stupid response. Did you not see the video? Dr. Quantums experiment shows our universe is dependent on our consciousness, and to accommodate the randomness in quantum mechanics there are parallel world where alternate events occur. It's all in the video. If you have an actual counter argument reply, otherwise shut up

>>11950010
>Dr. Quantums experiment shows our universe is dependent on our consciousness

Nope.

>and to accommodate the randomness in quantum mechanics there are parallel world

Nope.

>>11945694

Many worlds interpretation implies quantum immortality. With an infinite amount of universes forming every microsecond, that means there inevitably will be some universes where you survive anything and everything and, as far as you can perceive, never die. Note that you can perceive other people’s deaths, and other people can perceive your deaths-you just can’t perceive your own deaths.

And unless you seriously think that medicine is ever going to advance to the point where billion year old people will be healthy, it means you’re going to have a really miserable experience for all of eternity. Blind, quadriplegic and probably in locked in syndrome, bacteria might be eating you alive. You’ll constantly suffering cancer and heart attacks , and probably suffering some awful diseases I can’t even think of, but never actually dying from those diseases. You’d ultimately be the only person (or even living creature) to survive the sun becoming a red giant, and at that point nobody can even spoon feed you or change your diapers. You wouldn’t get liberated from your hell until the heat death of the universe, and even then, you’d survive unless the odds of surviving the heat death are literally zero. (As opposed to 10^-5000 or something similarly infinitesimal.)

It’s a really awful existence that I don’t even want to think about.

>>11940557
>particle
Particles don't exist. If you'll zoom in a piece of stone, on and on, you'll finally see vibrating energy strings.

>>11950010

Honestly, I think scientists were correct to dismiss Everett as a quack in the 50s. I really don’t understand how his ideas have gained respectability in the decades since. It’s pretty embarrassing.

And I’m not even saying I take Copenhagen as gospel. Frankly, I think the possibility that there’s just something missing from our understanding of quantum mechanics is far more likely than the possibility that there are infinitely many universes constantly forming at every quantum interaction.

I’ve never really even understood how the double slit experiment works under many worlds. If the particles have separated into separate universes, how are they still interfering with each other? That, to me, is a far bigger problem than light being both a particle and a wave.

>>11949920
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>>11949872
>>11950010

>3d render said so
"into the trash", says I.

>>11940641

This

>>11940557
(((Einstein))) stole the information from pointcare and lorentz
>inb4 poltard

>>11949613
I think that guy isn't really understanding what "observation" means.
He thinks that some """conscious""" """being""" has to """consciously""" observe to make something an observation.
Ultimately it suffices that there is a causal connection of any kind for something to become observed, though.

>>11940557
Meh, its all about some monkeys, who evolved from fish, trying to second guess the nature of the Universe. Its all still just primitive gibberish. Humans are getting there, quite possibly, but are still light years away from understanding the nature of reality.
One of the biggest hurdles to understanding is conceit, thinking we are at the top of the game. Crap like particle wave duality and irrational numbers should serve as red flags that our logic systems are still in the dark ages.
If human intelligence continues to improve then maybe in some future eon our descendants will figure it all out, but its likely to require several conceptual revolutions. On the sort of cognitional scale of a hypothetical flat-lander discovering the third spatial dimension. Or the development of human language. Or the development of consciousness. Yep. That sort of cognitive revolution. Fundamentally mind blowing shit. One thing we can be sure about, those distant descendants will likely make little distinction between our science of today and the cave paintings scrawled by our ancestors ten thousand years ago. To them there will be very little technical difference between the two.

>>11952250
The other possibility is that it is never resolved. Nothing. Never. That for every discovery, every new theory, each and every technical breakthrough, every new observation and scientific piece of evidence, every new framework, all that happens is that a new set of questions open up, a new set of unexplained phenomena are realized, that nothing ever is fully explained to 100% completion. As we march deeper and deeper into untangling the nature of reality all we get are more unanswered questions.

>>11940557
>water is both a molecule and a liquid
>people unironically believe this

>>11946918
aether

>>11952290
Not an argument.

Semi Based, but the observations made have held up consistently, so at the very least, some properties or functions of light have been observed. The illusion that is held up is that by recording SOME inherent data concerning light, we have understood it well enough to fit these numbers into space time equations which may very well not play by the same rules as far as we know considering the majority of space is filled with some other utter cryptoscience babble called “dark matter”, which we know nothing about apparently, much less as to how light interacts with it.

>>11952274
this is what it is with the added caveat that there gets to a point where you can't research anymore because it's impossible to build the tools to continue.

>”Light? Waves? Double Slit? I’m sorry I don't speak gibberish, excuse me please, I don’t have any change and I need to return home so I can continue my EU Thesis, kindly move aside or I shall be forced to remove you.”

>>11947070
Read as

Water is both a river and atoms.