/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11918475
> Waste of Life Tier: CompSci
Lol'ed. Good one! :)

I studied CS and completely did not regret it. Like having a basic understanding of AI and understanding how you get from matrix multiplication and a bloody RELU function behaviour that 70 years ago would've been considered human-intelligence is mindblow.

Also evolutionary game theory and evolution of cooperation, Nash equilibria, multiagent systems and their dynamics.

Also Touring Machines dude, freaking amazing how a TM that solves the Halting Problem can't exist because it can't solve itself. Fascinating ideas of what happens once you refer to yourself.

>>11918475
Mathematics here
>converse with the top-minds of our time
>can get million dollar jobs anytime I want (mathematical modeling)
>people think you're an absolute genius for having a math PhD

>>11918485
you ate the bait

>>11918495
It was a delicious bait also :)

>>11918475
>mid tier theology
Arent people with theology degrees locked into being priests or their own religious equivalent?

>>11918498
In my country every priest has master degree in theology, it is required if I recally correctly.

Besides that, I think the rest are staying at the university and just study Bible and/or liturgy.

I always thought that theology is somekind of philosophy but for people who are religious (more or less) and/or interested in the Bible.

But anyway I am also suprised that both (philosophy and theology) are mid tier.

>>11918485
This is what mental illness looks like

>>11918514
Why do you say that?

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>>11918475
I would place actual computer science in top tier. The stuff that happens now is just software engineering and everyone claims they've done computer science when in fact, all they've learnt is software shit. Old CS was actually math based. Have a look at Algorithm optimizations and methods.

>>11918518
If that post isn’t bait then doing the reddit “:)” and then passive aggressively listing off random concepts and techniques from CS while reddit spacing furiously is unstable behavior. I wouldn’t be triggered if someone insulted my education or field of research like that and neither should anyone else. Being secure in oneself, having the capacity to ignore people attacking your essential values and possessing conviction that your actions are meaningful are all components of a well constituted mind. Simple as.

>>11918543
Wait what? So how do I express then that I genuinely found OP's post funny (as in light-hearted fun, not troll)?

> passive aggressively listing off random concepts and techniques from CS
How do you know I was "passive aggressive"? Do you mean what I wrote read as being passive aggressive?

>reddit spacing furiously is unstable behavior
LoL? (like genuinely laughed out loud when I read that). I think you might be joking but it sounds like you are being serious right? Why do you say is "unstable behaviour"?

> I wouldn’t be triggered if someone insulted my education or field of research like that
So you felt triggered? I'm sorry for that, I genuinely didn't want to trigger anything. I was simply replying to OP. I don't know what you do but I don't mean to insult any one. I hope my post didn't come off as insulting?

> Being secure in oneself, having the capacity to ignore people attacking your essential values and possessing conviction that your actions are meaningful are all components of a well constituted mind. Simple as.
Yup, totally agree!

>>11918539
Yeah, that's why I was thinking the list is a joke.
Honestly, I feel like CS as you describe, with algorithms and math is God tier since it basically shows us what can happen once to start doing loads and loads of computations - things like celular automata, game of life, type theory and Russel's Paradox, decidability Godel's Theorems, Kolmogorov Complexity and the link between AI and compression etc

I think it can be a very eye-opening subject if taught right.

>>11918569
Markov chains literally have applications in everything.

Stop reposting garbage

>>11918475
>Best degree: My degree
My degree: Computer science

>>11918539
Seethe more CS fag

>>11918717
> fag
triggered retard detected.

Why are CS people uneducated trash?

>>11918739
>...Anonymous
>07/20/20(Mon)08:45:14 No.11918739
>>>11918717 (You) #
>> fag
>triggered retard detected.
>Why are CS people uneducated trash?
Dilate

>>11918717
Did you even read my post? I never placed CS in God Tier. I placed it, one level below, you absolute mongloid.

I'm new around /sci/ why do you guys hate CS? I'm self-teaching myself programming.

>>11918760
Why does it matter?

>>11918762
just a bit curious.

>>11918485
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>>11918760
CS is for trannies

>>11918760
I do not hate CS. CS is math. I do hate the software part of it because at the end, everyoen says they do CS, but in reality they're just doing software engineering.

>>11918767
brainlet neet detected

>>11918776
Why are you so butthurt? Just admit CS is a waste of life.
>>11918774
CS uses less math than gender studies.

Too busy making $240k per year thanks to a CS degree from a mediocre state school to respond. Have fun working hard though! I'm gladly standing on the backs of math, physics, and chemistry autists.

>>11918785
>Only 240k
>PhD in math
>Any job I want
>500k starting

>>11918781
>CS uses less math than gender studies.
That is SOFTWARE ENGINEERING.
Have a look at markov chains. Literally used everywhere. Have ou ever heard of Alogirthmic optimizations? They literally use math to optimize algorithms.
The PageRank paper literally uses math.

>>11918785
Are you an Indian who works at Amazon?

>>11918792
white midwesterner living in midwest and working remotely. not amazon but similar california company.

I just like programming stop being mean /sci/. Not my fault the degree is called CompSci but all that is being taught is software.

>>11918475
This is fucking retarded, it's hard to math/physics/ non mech engineering jobs even with a masters, whereas you can easily get up with 40k job with an associates in CS.

This some fucking looney tunes bullshit.

>>11918785
>>11918808
A degree in about how much money you can make
Normies never should've been allowed in higher education

>>11918760
I think they're just trolling. Like I was laughing really hard when I saw the "reactions" to my original answer to OP.

Note that CS is not just programming. That's like saying Theology is about Mormons.

Programming is awesome, but I would encourage you to have a look at CS topics in general. They can teach you way more than just programming in whatever language.

>>11918785
LOL rekt.

But srsly, not sure if the butthurt autists are trolling or not, but this thread is effin gold!
And yeah CS pays bloody well. Why? Because everybody goes through uni thinking they are God Tier only to realise they need tools (i.e. not shitty software, but genuinely good software) when they enter the workforce.

So yeah, I stand by my claim that CS is God Tier.

>>11918822
I'll check out other topics as soon as I land a job, I honestly want to avoid going to real college, I will just graduate from my crappy college to have a degree, even if they dont teach jack shit.
Going to real college means I'll have to take a loan and I'm terrified of them beyond belief.

>>11918825
>I'll check out other topics as soon as I land a job
Which is going to be hard. As much as people say, but good unis give you free brownie points.

>>11918846
I know how good college lands you jobs easily, but I really don't want to take money from banks, its scary.

>>11918849
get a scholarship

>>11918825
>Going to real college means I'll have to take a loan and I'm terrified of them beyond belief.
Good point, absolutely, in that case it makes sense to focus just on programming for now.

I agree that US uni loans are super-scary I studied in UK where we only had £3000/yr. I still got like £12000 in debt for my degree but with current salary I'm like "I'm not paying monthly interest on that sh*t"

Regardless it's important to learn wherever you go. Good uni or not, learn, be open, be kind and most importantly, ask questions!

Hope this helps!

LMAO the fucking cope that’s in this thread

>>11918949
Can we have some more butthurt /sci/ autist that thinks CS is "faggot tier" memes please? I feel like we might be able to trigger them sufficiently until they see the light

>>11918475
This but unironically

>>11918485
>Lol'ed. Good one! :)

Why not study all?

>>11919144

>Ok kids, multiply by the reciprocal and solve for X

>>11919169
>$
kek

>>11918949
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>>11919169
>literally posting reddit
Look at all these CS (cuck-shedders) goyim thinking any math major worries about money.
Keep slaving wagies.

>destroying your life for the all ighty ollar

Nursing bliss all these away.

ITT seething NEETs

>>11919199
The funny thing is I literally can't see anything I disagree with in the background:
- protect trans kids - I agree
- BLM - I agree
- Rick and Morty - effin awesome
- Pride - I agree
- "say no to bigotry" - I agree
- Actually yellow couch I disagree with - that is horrible taste

> thinking any math major worries about money
How do you know what we are thinking?

> Keep slaving wagies.
You sound like you dislike people that post on reddit. Why?

>>11919199
>CS majors are wage cucking goyims
At least I’ll retire early

>>11919199
CS majors really go to college for 4 years with a specialization in machine learning and AI just to become a corporate slave to Google, wear no deodorant, and spend their bi-weekly paycheck on onlyfans and pokimane donations

>>11919224
> CS majors
> implying all CS majors
You do realise you're a bit frustrated that you didn't do CS right? You see all those people that majored in CS having all that money? How does that make you feel?

I have a question: why is having a lot of money important to you? (I don't think it's important, but it sounds like you feel quite strongly about paychecks)

>>11919220
That's only an average, skewed by the 1% of CS majors who earn millions, you will be part of the 99% of replaceable code monkeys. If you took math you would understand this.

>>11919220
Now post the real math numbers

>>11919218
>>11919233
>reddit spacing
>goyim slaving
>degeneracy defending
I can smell the onions

>>11919218
>Rick and Morty - effin awesome

>>11919235
I don't think we're saying Mathematics isn't God Tier right? We're saying CS is also Top Tier or maybe even God Tier :P

>>11918475
>Waste of life tier: Art
Good goy. Continue to let capitalists alienate you from your labor and wages. Someday, you might wear that boot!

>>11919235
I can literally say the same thing about math majors - high earning quants skewing the averages.

>>11919259
>Implying Art majors are somehow challenging the system in any significant way

>>11919259
OP is troll you can see him replying above. But still, completely agree with you. Rampant capitalism has alienated us from the thing that connected us to our "soul" which was art - and I mean genuinely good art not today's pop :(

>>11919263
I'm a math major and the people I know tend to make close to the average income listed above.

As for CS majors, I know a ton of broke code monkeys who are willing to slave all day data mining for the 1% of CS majors who are smart enough to front the company.

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>>11919270
>I know a ton of broke code monkeys who are willing to slave all day data mining for the 1% of CS majors who are smart enough to front the company.
This.

>>11919274
>MUH LOGICAL FALLACY
Just go back. The less CS there is in the world the better.

>>11919286
Why do you say that?

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>>11919288
Not him but you are easily the most insufferable and bugmen-like STEM majors

>>11919302
What? Why?

I get there a bad rep of CS ppl not wearing deodorant but that doesn't mean all CS is bad right?

Why do you find it insufferable? Is it the income, is it that you perceive CS people to be too arrogant? I'm confused.

As others pointed out there's a huge difference between "just programmers" and CS. What's wrong with CS as a STEM major?

>>11918485
Aerospace Chad reporting in

>>11919323
Why do you keep reddit spacing? Did you even bother to lurk? This is why I say go back.
I hate CS fags who insist they do "complex mathematics", who try to bring "complexity" and "solvability" and "category theory" into mathematical problems where they don't belong, all just to try and pretend to seem as smart as mathematicians.
I don't mind CS majors who just admit they are worth less than a poojeet, and know that they will be a codemonkey for 40 years.
I'm okay with the fact that you are statistically more likely to make more money than me. I'm not okay with you pretending to be mathematicians. At least engineers and (most) physicists don't pretend to be mathematicians.

>>11918475
OP is retard.
The shittiest tier list in the world

>>11919297
>claims that math majors are higher earners than CS majors and thus has the burden of proof to deal with
>uses an anecdote to substantiate claim
>I call this out as an anecdotal

Please tell me what claim I’m making and how I shifted the burden of proof?

>>11919323
>Is it that you perceive CS people to be too arrogant?
Yes, that's partially the reason. Look up the term "bugman".

>>11919402
Have you considered the idea that you’re just jealous?

>having a degree
>not being an autodidacta polymath
fucking plebs

>>11919375
>Why do you keep reddit spacing?
What's the problem with it? I don't mean to offend you, I just find it more natural. Is there something wrong with it?

> Did you even bother to lurk?
Not recently, haven't been on /sci/ in ages. I only came here because I wanted to ask something on /r/askreddit and it was autoflagged by bots so I asked it here.

> This is why I say go back.
Why? Is this not a public board? Why is my presence here bothering you?

> I hate CS fags who insist they do "complex mathematics"
I would hate them as well. I never said that. I said it should be part of God Tier since it's a fascinating subject that has very much to teach (just like Maths, Physics, etc)

> who try to bring "complexity" and "solvability" and "category theory" into mathematical problems where they don't belong
How do you know they don't belong? Why shouldn't people try to bring those ideas to mathematical problems? Thinking it's their time they are wasting if they fail, so why not let them?

> all just to try and pretend to seem as smart as mathematicians.
That is not cool, I would dislike those CS people as well.

> I don't mind CS majors who just admit they are worth less than a poojeet,
I'm a CS major. So are you saying I'm worth less than a poojeet? Why? How do you know someone's worth?

> know that they will be a codemonkey for 40 years.
How do you know that? To be honest, I want to be a manager / team lead. Observe I've been super-calm and patient in answering you. I think the world needs more level-headed people guiding and supporting others.

(will continue)

>>11919403
I earn $125k a year so no

>>11919403
Have you considered the idea that you’re just a faggot?

>>11919375
>>11919412
(continued)

> I'm okay with the fact that you are statistically more likely to make more money than me.
Thank you! I'm happy to read that. It's a shame that we don't live in a fully equal system. It genuinely frustrates me that I know I was simply lucky to like this subject from an early age - I did not study as hard as other STEM subjects and yet there's plenty of jobs around with high salaries as well; which isn't fair.

> I'm not okay with you pretending to be mathematicians.
Are you saying all CS people pretend to be mathematicians? I'm definitely not a mathematician m8. Mathematics is bloody difficult! I can barely have an intuitive grasp of linear algebra. But that's not the point: CS has deep ties to the nature of our universe, there are super difficult problems and important problems in CS as well (just like in Maths and Physics)
I would not be OK with a CS person pretending to be a mathematician either.

>>11918498
Getting a degree in theology isn't even as cool as it used to be, you used to be able to call yourself "Doctor of Metaphysics" but now most places just offer a cucked master's in gay fields like textual bible criticism

>>11919412
>it should be part of God Tier since it's a fascinating subject that has very much to teach
Wrong. 41% yourself. Just kidding. But I respectfully disagree.

>>11919402
I did and my understanding is that it's someone super consumeristic and that doesn't respect their ancestry? ( not sure if https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/7a5s4b/what_exactly_are_soy_boys_and_bug_men/ is a good answer)

I don't have any apple products (Android ftw), but I do prefer being lactovegetarian. Is that wrong?

I supremely respect my ancestors. Without them I would not be here. Do I have a problem with interracial marriage? No! Why would I?? Is that not love also?

Do I think we're being manipulated by the media? Yes! But do I think everybody should return their own country? No! We are One! We should be united! Everybody across the globe and the bloody universe! Is that wrong? I know that's not what all our ancestors did, but can we not tell them with the deepest of respects "sorry, but you were wrong"?

Do you think these beliefs are wrong? If so, why?

>>11919414
cool. I’ll be making that as soon as I graduate.

>>11919420
>seething

>>11918494
I'm starting to wish I had just gone for pure mathematics.
I'm studying EE and I'm getting to the point where I despise my peers.
Honestly it seems like there are only 3 types of people who study EE
1) midwit first-generation-college-student white guys who think an EE degree is a get rich quick card and can't stop talking about money.
2) pajeets/arabs who are desperate to stay in the country and constantly project all their insecurities onto you
3) hyper autistic, deferential chinks who get 100 on every test and assignment and who no one has ever heard speak

>>11919446
That's OK, thank you for your honesty!
I totally respect your opinion. I would be very happy to have Math & Physics in God Tier and CS in Top Tier then (as someone else pointed out earlier). That's still a big difference though compared to CS being in "Waste of Life Tier" or "Faggot Tier".

>>11919449
Lmao
https://hackernoon.com/on-the-infestation-of-small-souled-bugmen-6561ae922e07

>>11919455
Spotted the midwit

>>11919476
ouch but I agree.

>>11919259
Studying art at uni is a waste of life.
If you have artistic talent you certainly don't need to go to fucking university and pay $100K to use it.

>>11919463
> perilously overpopulated, brutally capitalistic, shamelessly hedonistic, morally decaying society, the humble bugman has come to define an age of technological dystopia in which everyone has everything—their gadgets, their fast foods, their fashion accessories—but somehow everyone also has nothing—no community, no natural spirit, no substance of mind. He is a zombified consumer, an emasculated wage slave, a vessel emptied of meaning and refilled with plastic, pixels and silicone.
Is that how you perceive every CS major?? That's so weird! Why would every CS major be a zombified consumer??

>>11919482
It's easy to tell when your best insult for the first group was to call them midwits and your best for the rest were racial slurs.

>>11918475
Edgy I have no pubes the thread.

>>11919492
There's nothing wrong with racial slurs, and those ones in particular were quite mild. pajeet is common chan parlance, arab isn't even a slur, and chink makes sense given the context.
They are evocative, descriptive, and accurate.
If you had ever set foot in an EE lecture, you would know how true that post was.

>>11919492
If anything he was more scathing to the first group. You're just hung up on racial epithets probably because you're fresh off the boat from ribbit.

>it's another tier list thread

top tiers:
for money: cs
for prestiege: medicine
for /sci/ cred: math
for reddit cred: physics

>>11919510
CS here I come

>>11919408
Yes but employers want to see your rubber stamp before they will even interview you.

>>11919516
https://www.levels.fyi/
for now. i expect these to go down by 20-40% in the future

>>11919519
He's a larper.
Self-proclaimed "autodidacts" are 100% COPING larpers to the man.
Imagine posting a picture of Leonardo de Vinci as though implying that you are the modern day equivalent.
He doesn't even understand that's absurd.

>>11919510
/thread

>>11919520
At that point, I can coast by on my seniority and experience

>>11919548
i'm 6 months into one of these jobs and i fucking am on the verge of quitting and killing my career or myself
the job fucking sucks but everything else sucks more

>>11919551
if you end up at faang and frens yeah. it's a good coasting job if you're a remotely decent wagie
half of these are in cali, expect 85% of what you see here if you live in a reasonably priced location

>>11919501
They are low quality insults and I was pointing out how it was easy to figure out which he was by how he didn't include any major insult to the first group and the rest were such shitty insults the racial slur was the only part that stood out. Hence, midwit white boy who never had someone tell him he was a midwit nor friends that used actually creative insults past racial sterotypes.

>>11919505
>First-generation college student who wants money
Oh no. How scathing. How will anyone ever recover?

I'm hung up on all the insults being low tier such that the racial slur is the most insulting part. Like, get some creativity and maybe you will be able to graduate to a newfag from summerfag

>>11919557
>i fucking am on the verge of quitting and killing my career or myself
Why does the job suck? You need to speak to someone about this. I'm not a counsellor to listen to why you hate your job or are about to kill yourself. You sound sad ( and I mean that... like do a status check for Christ's sake)
> the job fucking sucks but everything else sucks more
Yeah, you definitely sound like you are depressed. Speak with a counsellor - don't get pills. Just speak with someone that will listen to you. Speak with a priest. You might be surprised (though I'm thinking the words "speak with a priest" will probably trigger this entire board)

>>11919572
This. Thank you Anon!

>>11918557
How can you type another post in the same spirit as the first and not realize how you come off as mentally ill? is this what being a faggot is like?

>>11919585
> you come off as mentally ill
Aaaand? It sounds like I come off as mentally ill to you right? That's cool, I would be way more retarded than you and OP combined to worry about how I come off to a couple of children like yourselves no?

How can you be so stupid? I'm genuinely fascinated! Are you like 15 or something like that? Surely you must be so frustrated about your virginity, or something idk, maybe you aren't a virgin but you are bloody frustrated about something my friend.

Do you like being like that? Do you like being so frustrated with yourself. Do you ever stop thinking? I'm sorry for you, you sound kind of sad and lost when you write:
> is this what being a faggot is like?
Is that who you want to be?

>>11919573
>Why does the job suck?
the same reason all work sucks. all things aside everything i hate about my job would be the same at any other job i could get. there's nothing special about this one
i just want to be a neet and see if i flounder or if i flourish
>Yeah, you definitely sound like you are depressed. Speak with a counsellor
i have an anxiety disorder, every single therapist i tried calling was closed. i started medication that helped wonders with it.
as for work i don't need another person telling me the same cookie cutter advice of "find work life balance"
>Speak with a priest.
the last one i knew turned into a furry

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>>11918485
It just isn't fair to prey on the most autistic of all fields, dude took that hook line and sinker...

>>11918475
>hurr my degree is superior to yours durr
>le epic reddit trole slapping computer science ont he bottom to piss of le epic gamers xD

I'm a truck driver so I really don't care about any of that but fuck me you're trying a bit too hard mate. No one in any of the top/god tiers would actually bother to take an imaginary dump on people with such shitty bait

But hey no worries kiddo plenty of drivers needed hit me up I could teach you how to ride that pretty little ass of yours all the way to Wyoming :)

>>11919645
>I’m a truck driver
Better start hitting them books, hilljack. Yang ain’t coming to save you now.

>>11919623
>the same reason all work sucks.
Ah man, sorry to hear that. I don't think my work sucks and I don't mean to be disrespectful or anything like that, I genuinely think my coworkers are nice people and I respect them tremendously (this is UK though, not sure where you are, but guessing US)
> i have an anxiety disorder
Also sorry to hear about that. That's horrible :( I had social anxiety and bouts of depression. Mental illness is a bitch. I know it seems to trigger this board, but have you posted on reddit /r/depression or /r/socialanxiety ? (normally I post / reply on the latter, since the former has like some super-heavy shit that I'm not qualified for - but the people are nice and you can sometimes find genuine compassion)
> i started medication that helped wonders with it.
That's good, but it still sounds like there are things that are bothering you?
>"find work life balance"
> find
Worst. advice. ever. Those people have not been through pain a single day of their conscious lives! (they had days of pain, but completely unaware of them)
> the last one i knew turned into a furry
Ah double sorry, but that's kind of funny! (and again, I don't mean any disrespect). Did he listen to you at least? Sometimes people do super-weird stuff, but that doesn't mean they can't listen and share their thoughts. I once had a quick conversation on reddit with sbd that was giving away advice but when I looked at their post history they were posting and commenting on loads of NSFW subs. I was like "dude? wtf? Why should I take advice from you?" the guy said "I keep my preferences separate, it's your choice if you want to listen or not". He turned out to give very good advice.
Take care man! Hope things get better for you!

>>11919661
my workplace is fine, i am just a manchild who struggles with working or doing anything for myself at all. i'm mentally broken and would be homeless if i were any less privileged
>Worst. advice. ever. Those people have not been through pain a single day of their conscious lives
no, they simply worked for years or decades. they've accepted it and maybe in time i'll accept it and resign myself to a meaningless life
>Ah double sorry, but that's kind of funny!
i'm not religious, i just to know him personally outside of any religious context

>>11918475
>another thread turns into a CS shitflinging thread and salaryposting
It’s all so tiresome

I majored in Applied Physics with a minor in Astro, but I have mad respect for my CS bros. I remember taking computational physics and that was a learning curve.

>>11919746
>computational physics
Was invented by physicists

>>11919754
I know, but still.

>>11919686
>i'm mentally broken and would be homeless if i were any less privileged
that's sad to read but I think it's good you have acknowledged it!
>no, they simply worked for years or decades
agreed.
>they've accepted it and maybe in time i'll accept it and resign myself to a meaningless life
That's what I mean by conscious vs unconscious. Resignation is going into zombie mode - awake, functioning and yet asleep.
> i just to know him personally outside of any religious context
Ah fair enough. Yeah, maybe then ask him as a "friend" or "priest" what he thinks.
> i'm not religious
Neither am I, but for what it's worth, from one Anon to another Anon the idea of "life is meaningless" is BS. It's a disease.
Actually! Check this guy out https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
From University of Toronto, 100% non-religious, completely rational, best series ever in my opinion.

>>11919455
pure math is where its at anon but its definitely not for everyone, a LOT of people dropped out of the program a few years into it (mostly to go into tech/finance).

>>11919738
what else are you supposed to do. these threads aren't based off anything and CS is easy to bait

>>11919769
i hate it. i just want to work on my great work
sometimes i feel delusional but i have a vision for something i want to do that i'll never get done

>>11919857
>have a vision for something i want to do that i'll never get done
Yeah that does sound strange. Why would you keep your mind busy with something that you know you'll never get done?

>>11918543
>this is what mental illness looks like
good god youre stupid. way too many assumptions on where that person is coming from. with little “le leddit keep outta my meme club” sprinkled on top.

>>11919875
>Why would you keep your mind busy with something that you know you'll never get done?
narcissism and delusions.
uni and work has been an experience in realizing i am nothing of worth and that i failed to live up to anybody
i'm supposed to give up and consoom from now on and live an upper-middle class lifestyle doing meaningless shit and letting the real men build the world since my poor performance at uni and work proved myself a failure

>>11919900
Yup, I agree

My ex thinks she's going to have everything handed to her with her BA in Sociology. Top Kek

>>11919903
Daaamn son. You one sick mofo. You honest as well tho. I respect that.
> live up to anybody
BS. Don't let others define yourself. You have nothing to prove to others.
> i am nothing of worth
Also BS. Uni and work have nothing of worth but your stupid ass had sufficient worth for another equally crazy mofo to go all introspection and "speak with a priest" on you and spend what it seems like a shit ton of time replying to your depressed fuckery.
>i'm supposed to give up and consoom from now on and live an upper-middle class lifestyle doing meaningless shit
Man you be tripping.
> give up and consoom
> live an upper-middle class lifestyle
> doing meaningless shit
White ass bitch smoke too much existential shit all their life. Bitch probably never smelled a flower. Never stood still for 10 seconds and just observed. Shiiiit.
> letting the real men build the world
Who the real men? Who in Jesus' Good name are these fucking real men?
> proved myself a failure
Shiiiiit

God Tier
>Engineering (civil, chem, electrical)
>Chemistry
>Law (tax, securities, IP)
>Philosophy (really have to be into it though)
>Medicine (and related like neuroscience)
>Finance
Top Tier
>Economics
>Law (environmental, probate, criminal (private))
>Biology
>GIS
>CS (if you're good)
>Math
>Business (if you're driven)
>Geology (if u love the outdoors)
Mid Tier
>Physics
>Psychology
>History (with an advanced degree)
>Engineering (mech, all others)
>Paleontology
>Anthropology (if it's sci heavy)
Low Tier
>Law (personal injury, employment, all others)
>Education
>Foreign language (is usually paired with comm, so people work overseas)
Shit Tier/Waste of Life Tier
>most liberal arts undergrads and shit like LGBTQPS+ studies

I fixed ur list. your welcome

>>11920365
what is this based on?

>>11920261
>Bitch probably never smelled a flower. Never stood still for 10 seconds and just observed.
i did and i fell behind in life and ended up where i am now. just sitting back and letting the world pass by, i am the same person i was 6 months ago. i've stagnated and i must find how to unstagnate

>>11920395
Life experience.
You can really make any degree work really well for you, you just have to find out how. That's not a challenge to study Anthropology if you're not prepared to live in Papua New Guinea though haha.

>>11920407
>Life experience.
what did he mean by this

>>11920410
Is experience not valid on this board of pure reason?
give me a break

>>11918475
Hey guys, business student here. Whats up?

>>11918557
based

>>11920449
no i was asking you to elaborate on your measurements
the words "life experience" alone don't justify what the difference between tiers are nor give any insight into why you place majors into the tiers they are

>>11920403
> just sitting back and letting the world pass by, i am the same person i was 6 months ago.
I don't think he was saying let the world pass by, I think he was saying precisely to observe your feelings of stagnation, how you might feel trapped. Let yourself be yourself.
>i've stagnated and i must find how to unstagnate
Indeed, you can unstagnate by being yourself, what I was saying earlier.

>>11920410
Degree from the School of Hard Knocks

>>11920462
Fucking retard, the whole point of a tier list is that it's pointless. Goddamn summerfags. Like literally anon said a few posts back:
> You can really make any degree work really well for you, you just have to find out how.
How fucking dumb can you get?

>>11920462
I considered all of the people I know personally, have met, have heard about from reliable sources, or have read about in reliable sources. I considered their influence on society and weighed it against their career's ability to earn money, as well as the perceived difficulty of each career (intelligence and ability to handle stress). I then considered degrees and matched them on the tier list in the OP.

>>11920542
>make tier lists
>get asked about list
>dude tiers don't matter
>>>/pol/

>summerfags
does this even apply given the current situation

>>11920528
>I think he was saying precisely to observe your feelings of stagnation, how you might feel trapped.
there is no alternative.
i'm industrially indentured to my company to the point where my entire life is owned by my employer. to quit now is to completely destroy my career to the point where i might straight up kill myself out of the regret because i can't live with a failure that colossal. this is the same thing that every normie feels
there is no feeling of trapping beyond that. either i go on the track i have now or i probably fuck up my life the other way. there is no compromise. i make six figures atm so there's no way i'll ever be able to get on neetbux and neet it up

>>11918475
Why are you all insufferable. Please have sex

>>11920559
Coronacunts

>>11918475
Unironically thinks medicine < engineering

lol tard

>>11918475
>double majored in math and CS in undergrad
>no shortage of internships and REUs
>did phd after getting bored working in industry for a year
>qualified to write for CS conferences, math journals, and some physics outlets
>have a paper elaborating on the connections between statistical mechanics and algorithmic information ala Ising
Allegiances to undergrad majors are stupid. Stop being a virgin summerfag who needs to aggressively justify his choice of study. Real chads pick up what they want, when they want.

>>11920942
Based

Study what you want because you want to

Communications major here. Six figs, free healthcare, knocking on executive door.
If you tailor it right, it becomes a true disection of human communication. You learn the formula for how media serves its bullshit to the masses, how to impress yourself onto others and make them feel inadequate, and how to make yourself a genius (not literally, but in the eyes of others). In truth, it's one of the best majors to have because once you realize most people are just fleshy machines it's all just a game.

If you don't take a minor in Comm, you'll never rule.

>>11920942
/thread

Every discipline matters; what you make of it is most important.

>>11920965
this post just makes you look insecure
Why make people feel inadequate?
do you want to feel better about yourself by bringing down others?
Why not prove that you are a genius to yourself?

>>11918475
stem loser spotted. sensors indicate the female sociability module is offline

>>11918475
>Best degree: My degree (Computer science)
>Worst degree: Computer science
It's true, CS is the only degree that should really exist.

I'm double majoring in Math and Computer Science. I plan to get a Masters in Computer Science and then a PhD in Mathematics

>>11918760
It's just a meme. It's like asking why the /3/ board hates Blender when every other board involved with 3DCG loves it.
Or why /fit/ recommends you drink a gallon of milk a day.
Or why /mu/ hates [good music] but loves [weird industrial sounds, like literal just industrial machine sounds not even hardly arranged just an absolute jazz fusion but with machines]

It's just a meme

>>11918949
>>11919220
>>11919236
>100k
>a lot
literally poverty tier jesus christ
>>11919408
based
degrees are for jobs that make money so you can support your curiosity
>>11919455
>refused to do it on his own
>needs to be hand held with an extra fat cock in his mouth
yikes

>>11918475
All these skills and knowledge yet bankers make $150k out of college and little debt if any. I've never understood the point of becoming so technically educated if you can barely translate it into profits. But to each his own, right?

>>11918475
CS rockers in the House tonight
Seething engies gonna have a bad time
Physics faggots gonna lose their minds
we just wanna see you: Get mad
Everyday I'm programmin'

>>11921718
Based
I'm going to be honest.
mathematicians could hardly give a shit about this kind of stuff (debate about the best field).
We do what we love.
in terms of getting money CS is evidently the way to go
but having a successful business should be the end game.

>>11920365
>Mid Tier
>>Physics

>>11920678
coronapilled

>>11918475
There is literally a degree called information engineering which is basically just computer science, checkmate.

>>11921718
This gave me a good chuckle

Anyone that still talks about nash is a middle schooler, mentally.

Opinion discarded

>>11921771
I've known a bunch of physics majors (and a couple of working physicists) and they're all dorks who have to stay in academia for work or become tools for people making the real decisions (and money). It's only a good major if you're a literal genius and make a discovery.

>>11921717
>Money is everything.

Why do people think this? I can buy whatever I want and have money and still suffer from anxiety and depression. Mmathematics is the only thing that gives me sanity.

So is my degree God Tier, Shit Tier, or Waste of Life Tier.

The degree is MSc in Computational Science and Engineering
>https://gsas.harvard.edu/programs-of-study/all/computational-science-engineering
>http://catalog.mit.edu/interdisciplinary/graduate-programs/computational-science-engineering/
>https://www.cc.gatech.edu/academics/degree-programs/masters/computational-science-engineering
Just posting some examples as most seem to immediately jump to CS or CE...

>>11918767
>art mid tier
I studied art and even I know thats bullshit

>>11922485
I'd support art as God tier if you guys made sculptures/paintings like the romans and early europeans did.

When I was in highschool I legitimately thought that's what art majors did and english majors were authors. I was so wrong.

Just curious, why do you all put Philosophy so high up? Its what im studying and I kind of already know how it can be profitable and such but, at least where I live everybody sees it as a worthless liberal degree.

Majored in philosophy, work as an expert data analyst for the last decade. Turned out ok.

>>11920450
Business by itself is useless though. There's no science behind business. it's as good as a sociology degree.

>>11922518
Highest verbal IQ out of all the majors.

>>11922518
If nothing else philosophy is damn good at teaching you how to think. Knowing what I don't know and how to learn effectively have helped me a lot in life.

>>11922518

It's the "lazy but smart" degree, so it at least has that going for it. You will be broke but can convince idiots you're a genius regardless.

>>11918494
>>people think you're an absolute genius for having a math PhD
Unfortunately they don't. They think you look at incomprehensible scribbles at best and at worst they think you crunch out calculus problems with lots of SYMBOLS.
Normies generally only respect upper division mathematics in the context of physics. It's not right, but it is true.
t. math phd candidate

>>11924117
>oh so you can do like sextuple integrals right??
>well actually I do more work with differential man-
>oh so you actually don't do math

>>11924182
> Yeah, not only can I do sextuple integral, I can sex undergrads too
> Oooohhhh

>>11918475
how is neuroscience not god tier

>>11918767
>modern philosophy, art, and linguistics in anything but shit tier
Post decent bait next time.

>>11924207
>>11924182
The Chad Calc VIII Student vs the Virgin Maths PHD

>>11918717
>De Morgan's Law
>Difficult
Pic related is literally all that is needed.

>>11918539
Yemen, real computer scientists get shit done without even being on a pc. That's why Iwata could just show up out of nowhere and optomize code

>>11919235
>That's only an average, skewed by the 1% of CS majors who earn millions
>2019 MEDIAN PAY
>If you took math you would understand this.

>>11919613
>gets mildly insulted
>y-y-y-your just an incel kid lmao
>haha i feel sad for you

I'm going to be a Data Scientist, will /sci/ hate me? what about /g/?

>>11918475
Brainlet here. How bad of an idea is majoring in mechanical engineering? I've read not so infrequently that it takes a toll on one's gpa, and if I ever decide to go to grad/professional school, this is obviously less than ideal. Any alternative suggestions?

>>11922554
agree, its just free tendies

Ok boys, I don't post on this board but I come here with an urgent issue. Please let me know if you believe a computer science degree is worth studying 4 years for in current year. My friend is deciding between a major in comp sci, economics, and statistics. Stay safe and best wishes.

>>11918767
>>11918475
>chemistry consistently in top tier or above
it's a comfy life being a chem chad

>>11925321
Undergraduate courses are so simple. The toll on GPA is due to young kids not prioritizing classes that require complex thought. Anyways MechE is all about the internships regardless of GPA. Get that and you'll do fine. Don't get an internship and you'll have a tough time finding a job with a 4.0.
>>11925738
same advice to you, just replace MechE with CS

CS/MechE probably have the best starting incomes for those with just a 4year degree

>>11925872
Thanks for the insight. I was considering mechanical out of my interest in biotech (i.e. biomechanical) and it's purported versatility overall. Though it probably won't change for the following if I still end up being too much of a brainlet for engineering, but what are your thoughts on pure fields like math, physics, etc.? I've read conflicting info about them either being too impractical to be career relevant, or being broadly desirable for the advanced skills they develop, woth magh being the best for the latter. I would think though that being a loicensed engineer would open up more doors, and it's easiest to go that route as an undergrad from what I read as well. It probably doesn't matter in any case though, since if I still end up being too much of brainlet for engineering, I will just as likely be too much of one for these as well.

>>11925872
Thanks for the insight. I was considering mechanical out of my interest in biotech (i.e. biomechanical) and it's purported versatility overall. Though it probably won't change for the following if I still end up being too much of a brainlet for engineering, but what are your thoughts on pure fields like math, physics, etc.? I've read conflicting info about them either being too impractical to be career relevant, or being broadly desirable for the advanced skills they develop, with math being the best for the latter. I would think though that being a loicensed engineer would open up more doors, and it's easiest to go that route as an undergrad from what I read as well.

>>11926949
Pure fields (math, physics, even chemistry) usually don't start to be valuable in career searching until you get a PhD. The engineering majors steal almost all of the good jobs with 4-year degree requirements because their programs tend to focus more on "career relevant" topics.

An alternative is to major in a pure field like math/physics and minor in computer science. If you're dedicated you can turn that minor into valuable programming experience and get hired in some coding-related capacity where your major knowledge is also relevant. For example, writing and running rocket simulations for a defense contractor.

>>11927062
>minor in computer science
This but don't only go for the minimum required number of courses to get this designation, instead pick (4th year) courses based on relevance to what you want to do.

>>11918475
How the fuck is philosophy above IT.

Is there anyone with a philosophy degree who can actually defend this point or is this just some jordon peterson wet dream for coping liberals?

I got my undergrad in math because I wanted to accurately understand complex systems(systems science) for personal reasons. Went back to school because for the 99% stem work is suicide teir pointless trash. got a masters in history. I now(was because of covid) make around 180-220k a year flying around the world recreating museum historical sights and artifacts for digital preservation/new exhibitions. I'm happy. If this doesn't work into the future I'll make autistic history video games with my savings and work for the government for steady income. If you're not trying to fight your way out of poverty, do what you love, but work extremely hard at it. I know that's a cliche but I believe if your truly are passionate about something, you'll figure something out
>music, art, design, architecture, philosophy bad
Midwit

>>11920365
>seeing this list as I'm studying my Msc in Banking and Finance
neat, I'm very passionate about income.

What is this chart even measuring? Job prospects for unambitious, medicore plebs? Idiot poorfag shit like starting income and employment percentages?
Reminder that the world is run by finance, economics, law, history, and philosophy majors. You aren't fucking elon musk or whatever with your ee degree, you won't be the next Einstein with your physics (the level you need to be to have any influence as a stemfag). You're an office worker drone designing chink ripoff circuit boards, analyzing hookup app data, running a office server, or building street light timing mechanisms making above average income. You are the 21st century factory worker assistant manager. You live in a world created and commanded by liberal arts and you have the delusion of thinking yourself as superior. You're a tool

Top teir
Artists, philosophers, statesmen, mathematicians

Mid teir
Academics of the pure sciences and the social sciences, tradesmen, architects, farmers, military high command, teachers, judges

Low teir
Working scientists, engineers, wall street types, retail small business owners, doctors, working lawyers, pro athletes

Shit teir
Everything else
Hellfire death teir
Programmers

>>11927062
Alright then, for as long as I'm not too much of a brainlet, I will stick with mechanical. I don't think I could cope with going full stemcel studying two stem fields. I am also planning on studying philosophy (or something along those lines) out of interest though, to further develop my skills in communication and abstract/critical thinking, and since the logic portion has some similarity with math.

>>11918475
What's wrong with geology? :(

>>11918949
This is the issue I had with CS in college.
Other degrees, people actually care about what they major in, they'll talk about it for ages, professors will fall head over heels to help you if you ask for it. There are student organizations for everything, even math had a club and they loved it.
CS? All money. Everyone thinks they're the smartest person on the planet for liking computers and picking a "practical" degree. Professors don't give a fuck since they have to deal with these people all the time and are justifiably jaded. Any group is just gonna be a bunch of people playing Smash or Overwatch. Switching out of that was the best decision I ever made.

>>11928979
Honestly, I do like computers, but the money part is huge driving factor for me personally. I’m genuinely worried that I’m gonna be homeless or something like in the future with the way things are heading.

>>11928979
CS is smelly

>>11928995
I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. The average CS job is probably pretty comfy if you have the right mindset for it, and you'll definitely make more money than most. I didn't quit purely because of the major either, there was a point where I realized I didn't love software engineering enough to do it for the rest of my career. Luckily for me, both my parents switched majors back when they were in college as well, so it was a pretty painless experience.

>>11928979
I did a physics major and going to grad school for CS. The physics faculty were genuinely supportive of my goals. They were responsive to inquiries. Same goes for the Math department. I was easily able to get letters of recommendations as well as research opportunities. Summer was still a productive time in my studies.

I haven't started going to classes yet for CS nor met my advisor in person as this Fall will be my first term but I've sent a few emails trying to pry any information I can and it's just "learn Python" and "we will figure it out in Fall". I'm just working on a git project (algo trading bot in python with ML libraries) for now to build my "CS" profile but I'd rather start diving into heavy computational research (which is supposed to be my degree specialization).

>>11918485
there is a consist retarded geek fight between /g/ and /sci/ dont take it seriously, dont take anything on 4channel seriously.

>>11918557
You're writing arche-reddit, but its actually based. Much more readable than the blobs usually posted here

>>11918485
'touring machine' hahahaha

>>11927062
>Pure fields (math, physics, even chemistry) usually don't start to be valuable in career searching until you get a PhD
Chemistry isn't so bad, I found a good job straight out of a four year degree. You need to get internships and good grades to be in with a chance though, simply because jobs are more scarce.
On the other hand you aren't competing with any of the engineering disciplines, particularly if you spec into organic chemistry.

>>11918475
Goddess Tier: Cryptology / Cryptography / Cryptanalysis

>>11928942
the geological sciences with social studies archaeology? lmao

>>11930484
Archaeology and geology are totally separate majors, dude. If you hire a geologist, generally it's because you want to know where the underground goodies are - oil, minerals, even water. Having an Indian burial ground above it just makes life more difficult.

>>11924182
It's not even that, it's about being able to come up with novel mathematics (bonus if you can develop algorithms too) that no one else can. That's what gets you the multi-million dollar jobs.

Dentistry is more based than medicine. Less hours, equal pay. Why you want to be an overworked doctor cleaning ass all day is beyond me

>>11928979
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHERE IS YOUR PASSION DUDE OMG
STFU you aspie retard, there is literally nothing wanting to live a good life.

>>11931470
Get fucked, money sucker
Suck all those shekels and shove them up your filthy ass
Just keep seething, keep seething until you die

>>11931241
>dentist has a massive antebellum style house
>runs the office out of the first floor and lives in the second
>blasts classical music in the lobby
>random replicas of shit everywhere - neanderthal skulls in cases, eight foot Egyptian sarcophagus by the door, even a Chinese junk he would take sailing
Fucker was living the dream, I imagine he's not gonna reopen after corona though

>>11931777
My dentist is already open, although america is fucked soooo

>>11919623
>i just want to be a neet and see if i flounder or if i flourish

i know the feel i'm studying EE for the sole reason that i can build a house and retire early and live out the rest of my life being a neet

if your earning enough to build a house in 10 years after saving it makes more sense to go though work hell just to enjoy the rest of life without work dont know much about your finance situation but if your getting payed enough try to keep that in mind its honestly the only thing keeping me going

>every single therapist i tried calling was closed.

it may just seem like a meme but try online therapists i dont mean just going on some online board but try looking for one on one online therapists

>no, they simply worked for years or decades.

you already better then most people most dont even realize that work isn't the meaning of life as long as you just hold onto that you wont go into that state if you have the time try to pick up a hobby it'll help

>>11920365
swap civil and mech and your good

>>11918475
Anything that you can learn at home = shit tier. I can learn anything art related(includes music) from home. The same for design classes.

>>11932254
bro you can learn nearly any undergrad degree at home

>>11932952
>Bro I learned how to use a mass spec from home just chill I got this

Maybe if your science is purely theoretical. But anything with a lab takes in person experience for anything past chem 1

>>11932971
labs courses are invented to waste time bro, just sit there and do nothing and then ask your partners for the numbers you need for the report at the end

Where's actuarial science?

>>11932977
And then you wonder why you're fuck up when it comes to your own research project or actually getting a job in industry

>>11918485
Who is so stupid they unironically take this bait