/sci/ - Science & Math

This is a problem that never should have been allowed to develop, like most of the failures in britain.

>>11915817
On a macro level, it's the same thing with American consoomers relying on Chinese manufacturing. Not just bongers getting fucked

>>11915806
good.

>>11915806
good. fuck them and fuck china but fuck the uighurs especially

Good. I lost out on a perfect placement for me because that Uni could get more money from foreign student fees and they were almost exclusively Chinese.

>>11915806
>daily mail
euthanize yourself my man

>>11915862
story?

>>11915806
So fucking what? Maybe they'll have to focus on educating their own people for a change.
Fire 90% of administrators and give all the funding you magically found in the process to academic staff. Problem half solved already.

>>11915862
A common story. My home town university is top 5 in the UK for the course I wanted but they reserved at least 30% of the places for foreign students (99% which were chinese) because they the got over 3 times the money in course fees. I was told by the admission department that even though there were free spots currently they would not accept me because they expected them to be filled. So instead I had to travel to the other side of the country and attend an inferior department.

>>11915869
A common story. My home town university is top 5 in the UK for the course I wanted but they reserved at least 30% of the places for foreign students (99% which were chinese) because they the got over 3 times the money in course fees. I was told by the admission department that even though there were free spots currently they would not accept me because they expected them to be filled. So instead I had to travel to the other side of the country and attend an inferior department.

>>11915862
Similar thing happened to me with Oxford. No money for aid for commonwealth students, somehow endless amounts to take from China and throw back at the EU

>>11915806

Universities seem to be all about the money these days. Maybe this will be a chance to return to a quality research focus instead of the on monetary focus. Maybe that'll stop academic corruption for a bit.

>>11915877
this

>>11915806
WOMP WOMP
(fuck em - traitors)

>>11915806

>>11915806
Less unis = more competition = more recognition of actually achieving a degree
Godspeed you asians

>>11916248
this very image will be in american textbooks in 2080

>>11916516
I eagerly await the day whites become a minority in America. For too long, the ethos of white guilt and white weakness have been allowed to fester in the American spirit. Once the zeitgeist moves past whites, we'll see an end to the epidemic of weakness in the West.

>>11916248
This pic sums it up perfectly. Say what you will about minorities, but no Asian/Black/Hispanic/Native would debase themselves like this for internet points.

>>11916525
God I hate you repugnant people.

>>11916529
Stay mad :)

>>11916531
No, it's more that you don't understand what it is you're truly consenting to. So perhaps I should pity you.

>>11916535
Enlighten me, O wise one. As far as I can see, this is the best thing to happen to Western Civilization since the days of Trajan.

>>11915862
Cope

>>11915889
I'm glad you found a way to rationalise your failure so you didn't have to do any uncomfortable self-evaluation

>>11915887
So basically you didn't get in because you were worse than the other 70%

>>11916248
what does a pretty building actually prove?

>>11915892
Lol

>>11915806
It's absolutely pathetic how overly reliant universities are to foreign nations when they should primarily be focused on either educating the people in their nation or simply recruiting only the best of the best

>>11915806
Good. I hope all Western unis go broke.

>>11915806
don't send them here, the UC system already has enough fucking dog eaters spreading covid all over the place.

>>11915854
Based and Xi-pilled

>>11917239
What? I got accepted, they just wont aid commonwealth students, because the whole thing is about profit now.

We have the jews we deserve.

>>11916529
Are they wrong though? I'm white and I can kick it with non-white on all kinds of issues that are taboos for whites. Whites are still my people at the end of the day, but the biggest threat to me is other whites snitching and cucking.

>>11917249
This presumes that all applicants can be ranked individually and accurately, that there are significant differences between all students that allow such ranking, that there isn't a huge pool of similarly qualified students who are denied admission for lack of space.
The real question is "what is the purpose of the institution?". If the purpose is to educate Brits, then they are fucking up by educating the Chinese, and he's got a valid complaint. If the purpose is something else, then he's just a salty shithead.

I like the new based /sci/

>>11916529
After rereading the thread believe I may have misinterpreted the flow of conversation and wish to retract this post.

>>11915817
Agreed. Blame the Jewish-controlled elite for selling us out, and the moronic goy cattle middle-class for going along with it.

>>11915806
Why can't you just chill? What have the Chinese ever done to you guys besides this virus lmao

Maybe it will all get "resetted" once it crashes? Like a computer that slowly accumulates data in a memory leak and then crashes due to a flawed process?

>>11918738
every time the lower classes tried to make a change they were ridiculed and scorned by a bunch of university "educated" we can see it quite clearly in the brexit divide. the lower classes have to deal with the negative consequences that don't filter through to the upper classes until the barbarians are at the gate

I dance on Britbong's fucking graves

>>11915877
>Fire 90% of administrators

More like fire a ton of faculty and use adjuncts to teach massive online courses for peanuts. The administrators are friends and family of the owners of the university, they can't be purged to free up some cash.

>>11918764
>More like fire a ton of faculty and use adjuncts to teach massive online courses for peanuts.
This turns a research institution into high school 2.0.
What is the goal, discovery of knowledge or mere dissemination?

>>11915806
Norwegian reporting in here: easy solution is to open up for Norwegian students. Many of us study abroad, the UK is rather expensive these days, make a deal and Norwegians will come. I am a graduate of Strathclyde, the weather does not bother us.

>>11915854
0.5 yuan is deposited into your account.

>>11915866
Good point
>>11915887
>they reserved at least 30% of the places for foreign students (99% which were chinese)
I never heard that when I was at Strathclyde.
>because they the got over 3 times the money in course fees
True, we pay through our noses. The student loan was brutal.

>>11917289
>what does a pretty building actually prove?
The picture shows no humans live there.

>>11918787
A mate of mine went to manchester a couple of years ago, one of the lecturers only got the job because she was someone's wife.

>>11918795
Nepotism is not unique to universities. Also, I don't understand what this has to do with favoring tenure track research faculty vs adjuncts hired only to teach or vice versa.

>>11915806
I saw an article the other day that said 13 UK universities are applying for bailout from the gov or they are gonna go bust. Fucking deserved, greedy cunts.

>Government tells universities to cut vice chancellors pay and drop mickey mouse courses if they want bailout
holy shit, artfags BTFO lmao

>>11918793
>make a deal and Norwegians will come
sorry, you are not smart enough, unlike the Chinese.
btw, why not study in your own state funded unis that ya'll shout about muh social democracy.

>>11918833
>Tony diver
>You've been down too long in the midnight sea.
>Oh what's becomin' of me.
>Ride the tiger.
>You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
>Oh don't you see what I mean.
Gotta get away, Tony Diver, yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhGEGIBGLu8
I'll see myself out, carry on bongs.

>>11917769
my undergraduate university wasn't very reliant on international students and i didnt see many, but my post grad university had a lot more and my course as well as the other courses in the department were overwhelmingly full of chinese and many of them struggled with english. also it kind of sucked when doing group work because for them it was easier to talk in chinese than english

>>11918747
The whole reason is that Americans are shitting themselves that China is going to overtake them economically, politically and culturally. That's why you're seeing American politicians saying shit about TikTok, Huawei etc.. despite Julian Assange and Snowden revealing that America is conducting this spying on a mass global scale.

This whole panic shit has started from burger complaints.

Universities negatively impact the politics of the country they belong to in every way. Just hives of statist cosmopolitan cronies.

>>11918864
>TikTok, Huawei
tiktok was literally spreading communist propaganda? it's literally a weapon that has infected the young and impressionable.
Huawei is run by a company linked to the chinese military.

>>11918870
And? I'm not defending that shit. American propaganda is also global. Of course, as an american you don't see it (if you did, it wouldn't be good propaganda). For example, what do you think VOA is?

>>11918864

>Noooooo you can't just go and combat a country that's actively trying to subvert you you have to just sit there and take it or else you're a big pussy wussy

>>11918878
why would you assume I'm defending america?

>>11918886
Because you're pointing out only Chinese propaganda and not American propaganda. So I inferred from that. I don't deny Chinese propaganda, only I say that American propaganda is way more global. The pretense of America's actions are blatantly false.

>>11918921

If China owned the world in the same manner that America did you would not be allowed to make this post on the internet anon

>>11918937
Lol. Americans/American backed terrorists have killed thousands of dissidents in my country that challenged governments imposed by American imperialism. Replacing that with Chinese imperialism makes no difference to me. Both are shit, I don’t care about Chinese tech we use since the bad sides of using it are the same as American tech. Only difference is that Chinese tech is cheaper for us

>>11918937
That's basically why the Chinese will fail if they try to take America's place. Obviously there's really no such thing as freedom of speech, but the American way of dealing with dissent is so much smoother. China is like an insecure bully who needs to crush anyone who talks shit. The US only gives you greif if you're causing a serious problem, and even then they're more likely to shadowban you or just disown you somehow than actually punish you.

>>11918953
t. kissinger

>>11918960
>the American way of dealing with dissent is so much smoother
In other world, you're just a sheltered child.

>>11919039

Not everybody is Serbian

>>11919042
I'm not even serbian.

>>11918960
>Obviously there's really no such thing as freedom of speech, but the American way of dealing with dissent is so much smoother.
Fucking hell, have you read a textbook?

>>11915806
Good. I hope our entire gayass university sector collapses and can reform into something less cucked.

>>11918692
>If the purpose is to educate Brits, then they are fucking up by educating the Chinese, and he's got a valid complaint.

Universities exist to educate anyone who can pay and pass the entry requirements. This has always been the case for centuries. That anon is likely just salty.

>>11915877
>Maybe they'll have to focus on educating their own people for a change.

Even now (and for a good while in fact) most people currently in uni don't deserve to be there. That is a brutal fact. We don't need more mickey mouse course students. If the university decides to take on wang, chang, and ching to fill STEM positions and pay 3x as much for it then take on Brad, Bob, and Stacey who want to study Psychology or English Lit then good for them.

>>11915806
>s****ing
What?
t. ESL

>>11919083
labour shifted more people into uni as a holding pen for potential revolutionaries and to cut artificially unemployment figures...

>>11919076
unless they're state funded which should have a preference for citizens

>>11919100
shitting themselves
it means they're panicking

>>11919107
@>>11919093

>>11918754
I agree completely. That's why I specified the middle-class, and not the working-classes. The Civil Service, education system and NHS are manned (or womanned, more appropriately) with a bunch of utter midwits, people just smart enough to memorise and parrot whatever Jew propoganda they've been fed, and dependent enough to ignore the reality in front of them. The working classes are not - they don't have enough of a stake in the system to pretend that trannies, immigrants, etc are all wonderful, and are perfectly willing to call out the bullshit.

Ultimately though, the British people are entirely to blame for what has happened to them. I honestly despise them, they've destroyed our country for a new sofa and a BMW.

I went to an average former poly, I was baffled why so many foreign students would want to go there.

>>11919138
Middle and upper classes are ultimatley responsible for not recognising the jewish threat for what it is.

>>11919141
Because Chinese degrees are utter dogshit and get nowhere in the real world. Even Xi Jingping sent his daughter to an American uni.

>>11918841
>sorry, you are not smart enough, unlike the Chinese.
I am surprised to hear that. At Strathclyde there were no quotas for Norwegians, we had to apply on competitive terms.
>btw, why not study in your own state funded unis that ya'll shout about muh social democracy.
Only people who shout make those claims. In reality Norwegian universities are not doing well in the international ranking lists and are still declining. There is also a major problem here with academic inbreeding.
https://www.google.com/search?q=akademisk+innavl
Nearly 3000 hits for a country with a population about half that of London is rather disturbing to everyone except from the Norwegian universities.
Finally we are quite aware that Norwegian is not a world language and there is a tradition to study abroad. The UK is not the only country we go to.

>>11919145
I think a lot of them do though - or at least they recognise that what they're doing is bad - they just care about money more.

For example, I used to teach a STEM subject. I was ultimately fired after I flat-out refused to pass ESL students who could not understand the material. The middle management responsible could see I was right - I had presented all the evidence, including inviting one of the students to speak (he couldn't understand the questions they asked of him). There was no question of my ability, I was the highest rated by students in my department. But ultimately, their over-inflated salaries depended on number of students passed, and they were willing to sacrifice the reputation of the institution, the future prospects of the other (white, British) students, and the integrity of the academic award in order to keep buying their shitty fucking German cars. I was not, so I went. Short-term gain for them, long-term loss for the country. Multiply that a million times across the country and you have a worthless education system, Police, health service, etc.

>>11919183
That's weird. Norway has a ton of dosh and is not short of political stability. Switzerland can make good universities (languages aren't an issue for them), I wonder why Norway cannot.

>>11919187
Good point. But this problem is systemic across all anglo universities. Australia is even worse in this regard - it's comical to see PRC vs HK battles on Australian universities.

>>11918870
>hurrrrrrrr gommies bad XD
found the chud

>>11915806
Losing the chinese students wont be no big deal, they'll easily be able to make it up using erasmus students.

>>11915887
went essex uni and majority foreign, everyone segregates even the home students between black and white. uni community was dead lol

We have the jews we deserve.

>>11919630
>That's weird.
There are historical reasons, would be a bit of a blog to explain it.
>Norway has a ton of dosh
Yes. For now. However we have the Dutch disease big time where the government budget is 50 percent greater than that of Swede which has twice the population of Norway. Every insignificant part of the government has a huge press office, employing loyal former journalists, securing softballing from the press. We have a lot of nepotism going which is part of why academic inbreeding is out of control.
>and is not short of political stability.
All this will implode messily the day we cannot sell oil.
>Switzerland can make good universities (languages aren't an issue for them), I wonder why Norway cannot.
Cultural reasons. The continent has had an academic culture for centuries, the oldest Norwegian university is from 1811 and until then Norwegians went to Copenhagen to study. Still most Norwegian politicians have little education as in completed studies, just a lot of courses here and there.

>>11915806
What does science have to say about THIS

>>11920315
Looks earn you more money than a degree in science. Trouble is, a woman's good looks come with a best before date, while your science degree will let you keep a good job until past 70 if you like.

>>11915806

Glasgow LOL. Get woke go broke:
Glasgow University to pay £20m in slave trade reparations.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/23/glasgow-university-slave-trade-reparations

>>11920329
Yeah that ass is best before i'm done with it

>>11918183
Fair play to you lad

>>11920341
>Glasgow University to pay £20m in slave trade reparations.
Who the fuck are supposed to pay?

>>11920471
>Glasgow University discovered last year it had benefited financially from Scottish slave traders in the 18th and 19th centuries by between £16.7m and £198m in today’s money.

>In what is thought to be the first attempt by a British university to set up a programme of restorative justice, it has pledged to raise £20m for the centre, chiefly in research grants and gifts.

>>11915806
>all the chinese leave, schools collapse
Imagine a whole generation of british children not addled with marxist indoctrination, nor will they have all their ideas stolen by commie fucking spies

>>11920471
They're not paying anyone. They're using the funding to create projects/centres etc for blacks. Big UK companies that said they are going to 'pay repirations' said something similar and would use a lot of money to invest in black communities etc as a form of 'payment'

>>11920341
lol, fucking retards.

>>11920497
>>11920485
why the hell are they wasting scant money on this that will likely benefit the descendants of rich africans whose ancestors probably sold the slaves in the first place?

>>11920705
leftists don't use logic, they use their emotions

>>11920728
... and other people's money.

>>11919883
Found the dumb commie

>>11920101
>There are historical reasons, would be a bit of a blog to explain it.
I would be interested in reading it.

>>11921952
It starts with the Plague in 1349 killing about 60% of the Norwegian population, including the entire upper classes, people who had international contacts and knew how to work power. So after a convoluted story Norway ended up controlled by the Danish king who used Norway as a raw material source, only. Essentially we were like a colony. In 1814 the end of the Napoleonic wars meant that England dictated Norway should be transferred from Denmark to Sweden. We were of course not asked but a group were able to write our constitution in the short period interregnum. So we remained a source of raw materials. Our independence is as recent as from 1905. Our second university is from 1946.

And because of the story, Denmark has a trading economy, Sweden has an industrial economy and Norway, to this day has a dominant raw material economy, with oil, gas, fish, even electricity being exported. Little is refined. Many study abroad, many have no real experience from abroad, few are in between these extremes. And politicians are under educated and naive about foreign policy.

>>11915806
Lulz, no wonder bong unis suck so much nonwhite dick.

>>11919151
>an American uni
You mean Harvard

>>11922024
Ty, anon. I enjoyed reading it. Now I know something about Norway :)

>>11916763
>unis shitting their pants now
sweet cope

>>11922024
So this is what happens when you decapitate a society...

>>11922117
?

>>11922122
>>11922240
I forgot to mention we spent 400 years under Denmark, 91 years under Sweden and had another 5 years occupation under WWII.
So 500 year old events have a major impact on society today.

>>11922251
Sounds fucked, when are you getting your reparations from the Danes, Swedes, and Krauts?

>>11915806
If you can't get into Oxbridge, Imperial then just don't bother going to the UK to study.

>>11915887
Which uni was this?

>>11922024
Maybe to add on this from an outsiders perspective who works with Norwegian researchers; I wouldn't see it that negative. Norway has a few surprisingly good researchers (outside of UiO and NTNU its a joke though) and some big names which retired. But Norwegian academia suffers that their fucking projects are somehow related to oil/energy or fish/navy. This turns off a lot of external researchers, because you will have to do your work with this lens and these industries are neither particular interesting nor exciting. For another, they have problems getting local junior scientists because most people get recruited before they finish their bachelor by the industry. These people shit money on new grads. So the research community cannot get a lot of fresh blood even within Norway and people from the outside do not want to go there. The rural mindset of many people there doesn't help. Sweden and Denmark are better off in this regard, even with the same ridiculous bureaucracy and shitty climate.

>>11922533
You are right about offshore/oil and fish/fishfarming. Those are major industries and also fund a lot of R&D.

You are also correct in that there are a few really good researchers. A few have also won the Nobel Prize. Others, like the late Prof. Kåre Berg, had his hopes of publishing with emeritus status destroyed in a mess that ended in litigation. He is not the only one to have their working situation brought into court, which is one way to see the inner workings of academia here.

When industry is doing well, people are recruited before completing their studies and leave with a basic degree. During financial downturns people go for post grad studies, and neither industry nor politicians seem able to look much past the situation today or even remember from the recent past that the situation is not new, we have been here before and after rain comes the sun again. I am not sure this is just a rural mind set, it is part of the culture of the raw material economy, a developing country type of economy to be honest.

If you want to go deeper into this (and I do since I spent many years abroad and look at my country with a different perspective), there are two basic cultures here: the coastal culture where you take risks, and in-land culture where you do not. This to is from olden days when fishing was high risk and you never knew if you got home alive, and farming culture when everything was planned based on the calendar. And Oslo is very much in the latter group.

>>11915806

Same with Australia. Lazy, fat and stupid organizations gorged themselves on easy money and simply became so inefficient that all the easy money got burnt up. And now they have the audacity to ask the government for more money!

If I were in charge, they wouldn't get a single cent. Supply and demand. If you pay for more administrators, that's what you'll get.

>>11924394
But anon that's consequencesist, how could you be so cruel to the poor administers pushing their students into unservicable debts from mickey mouse classes that bare no useful purpose in the wider world?

>>11918847
Kek

>>11918960
Are you by any chance American

What is "'s****ing"? I can't figure out the verb.

>>11925952
see >>11919107