/sci/ - Science & Math

>Speculative xenopolitics with high-school bloggers

>>1190510
In the thread, we decided the name of the flag (like Union Jack or Old Glory) would be

<span class="math">\mathbf{Stellaterran}[/spoiler]

Star people. We are all starstuff

this is badass.

Approval from previous thread.

I masturbate over this.

>>1190519
>sage and ridicule

You wish you thought of something this cool and intricate.

>>1190530
STELLATERRAN
FIRST CONTACTAN
SPECULATAN

Space General

>>1190556
I based some of the concepts from this very image.

....

fap fap fap fap fap

>carbon atom

I CAME

Seriously that's brilliant work. I would proudly meet any other race with this flag.

This flag makes me moist.

Looks like something your average high school goth would support.

>>1190584
Get. Out.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHY THE PENTAGRAM IS THERE, YOU NEED TO GB2 GEOMETRY CLASS AND RE-LEARN THE GOLDEN MEAN

your flag sucks.
/thread

I actually have my dick out. and it's in my hand.


I am now moving my hand up and down. While looking at this flag. And thinking of Stellaterran

Fuck porn, I've got the <span class="math">\mathbf{Stellaterran}[/spoiler].

Actually...it is visually pleasing. And if I let my mind go there, kind of erotic...

WHAT SORCERY IS THIS

your flag is not aesthetically pleasant to me

>>1190584

Hey guys, revised flag:

This is wonderful.
Best thing to come out of /sci/ since forever.

>>1190606
What a shitty flag. Fuck this shit.

Now make it big, OP, so we can all have it as our wallpapers.

>>1190510
Lol tripfaggot, no one cares.

>We're sending a large group to make contact and our flag is going to represent humanity.

Well, chances our the large group will be able to convey some information about us, and we won't need to communicate the basics via flag. So we can opt for something more aesthetic.

The flag looks subtly wrong somehow, but your reason makes so much sense. And of course, any flag purposely designed to show to an alien race is going to have to look odd.

I love it.

>>1190510
Humanity already has a flag

>>1190510
Why you are not in the kitchen/sucking cock?

>>1190619
This one is so much better.

>>1190619

>imokwiththis.jpg

>The inscribed pentagram also shows that we understand another constant, the growth of life on our planet: PHI. We know that things grow proportional to themselves. And if they're perceptive and intuitive, this will hint at our knowledge of evolution. After all, we evolved in the shape of the pentagram and with the ratios within it.

What the fuck, man?

ITT: the /sci/ community rightfully praising the prestigious work of its colleagues while one samefag cries because no one likes him.

>>1190627
Yea this is pretty fucking stupid. Psuedo-scientist trash. GTFO.

>>1190607
It has the golden ratio all over the fucking place, how can it NOT be?

I even just checked the length of the flag for the golden mean dividing the inside by the end of the blue bar. And the goddam ratio is 1.48 REALLY close. Actually OP, I think it'd be cool if you moved them over a bit so it was 1.61

>>1190628
Hope you're joking. Looks like it's a samefag the only one praising it.

>>1190510
>The inscribed pentagram also shows that we understand another constant, the growth of life on our planet: PHI. We know that things grow proportional to themselves. And if they're perceptive and intuitive, this will hint at our knowledge of evolution. After all, we evolved in the shape of the pentagram and with the ratios within it.

No we didn't. The Vitruvian Man is bullshit, in case you didn't know.

>>1190631
Are you 12? A golden ration does not make something pleasing automatically.

>>1190619
that is an interhuman flag

this is a Stellaterran flag:
>>1190510

>>1190629
>>1190627

lol
>12-year-olds haven't taken high school geometry yet.

>>1190628
This. It's magnificent.

>>1190640
>>pseudo scientist that thinks knowing the golden ratio makes him cool

>>1190619
Its the flag of the UN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_Nations

>>1190635
I really wasn't talking about that. What I mean is that our bones tend to grow in a ratio to themselves. It's just logical.

Here we are, something with character.

Plus, when we exterminate alien races it will be that much funnier.

>>1190635
>Implying the golden ratio isn't simply the mahematical represention of the growth of life (dupliation and self-symmetry)

>>1190644
Jesus christ we do not want those political fucktards representing science and mathematics to other races. OP's idea is best.

>>1190648
Alien races will have no idea why that "has character"

Also, to the one angry samefag, sounds like you need to chill.

thanks op i cum on cat hiss at penis

lol @ the angry samefag. he's so jealous.

>>1190647

They grow in a ratio to themselves? What? I don't get what you're saying. Obviously anything has a ratio of 1:1 with itself.

Regarding the whole phi thing: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/bodyproportions.shtml

We don't want the aliens thinking we're a bunch of anarchists.

>>1190510
Whoa. This is like something Carl Sagan would've come up with. Nicely done.

>>1190665

>>1190658
The flag's meaning isn't for the alien races. It's for us. All aliens need to know is that if a planet has a daft yellow rectangle sticking out of it, it's been claimed.

>>1190648
(In the future someone will post this)
>my face when we obliterated the fucking alien sandniggrs
:)

>>1190675
Wrong. You didn't read the premise. If we were FIGHTING the aliens, then I'd agree with you.

>>1190510
>>1190510
>>1190510
Just one question.. Why is the room between the rectangels different? Am I the only one who think there should be a set distance + some black to the left of the red block? (look pic)

>>1190681
Because the distance between red and green is farther than the distance between green and blue.

>>1190664
very cool

>>1190664
Now I KNOW you're trolling.

Okay guys, >>1190552 here.

I manage a custom clothing company and one thing we do is print various college flags. I got off the phone with my partner and he's looking forward to making this.

So when I go in on Wednesday, I'll vector this flag and make it into a huge REAL flag.

>>1190684
On the light spectrum he's takin about.

>>1190686

Um, I'm not. I just didn't understand her wording.

Meeting aliens in noble first contact
>OP's picture

Obliterating puny aliens for mighty transhuman empire
>Smiley Face Flag

What about if we advanced together and form some sort of galactic union? Hydrogen atom? And what would our name be? A mixture of all the multiple species' words for "galaxy"?

>>1190688
oh god dammit I would've designed it in Illustrator if I knew someone was going to go to all that trouble.

>>1190688

>>1190688

loser

>>1190675
...and that they can kill us all without remorse because the highest science we have is cartoon depictions of our own faces

>The existance of the flag tells them we have vision.
well if you have no vision you would not paint whatever flag you've painted on the hull of your ship
(so why exactly this flag?)

>rectangle-- tells them that we have stereoscopic vision.
stereoscopic vision is not rectangular it's more like 2 circles overlapping

>The three primary colors of visible light are listed in order
why do you need to show them the colors we see if they've come here they've already had intercepted our TV signals so they know what we can see and how may frames per second our brains can process
all communication with the aliens will start slow even if they know what we can see they'll most probably start with the simplest communication forms light signals.. and it doesn't matter which color they send as far as we can detect it

>>1190688
You sir, are awesome.

I want to make this a flag too. For the glorious mankind.

>>1190681
>Their size and black space is proportional to their wavelength separation on a chart.

read.

>>1190684
>>1190690
I see :)

Still, i'd prefer a little black space to the left of the red block - if not for the pleasing of the eye, then at least in order to make sure the 'message' will not get distorted if the flag unthreads for some reason.

>>1190690
Yes sorry. I've been up since 10am yesterday for E3. The Visible light spectrum. As stated in my OP.

>>1190701
>implying that all vision is the same
Because colour spectrum, which is a small part of the larger spectrum of radiation?

>>1190680
No, I've read the premise. It says that the flag represents humanity. This representation need not explain what colors we can see or exciting numbers we have found. Even if explanation were the intent, we'd be far better of with something that exemplifies our creativity and other aspects of our higher intelligence, like poetry. And if we're meeting with extraterrestrial beings, we're probably beyond the point where we need to explain that we know some basic geometry.

>>1190700
My mistake. I'm sure any warlike intentions will be set aside when they see our star with dots in it.

>>1190701
No, you're missing what I mean. I am telling that what primary colors we see. Depending on how your eye evolves, primary colors can be different for you. You can have 4 or 7 or 3. We have 3 as a collective whole, and some women have 4 (yellow).

>>1190714
Mathematics exemplifies music and poetry. And since those things are not viable for a flag medium, you can just play an anthem when you march up there.

ignore the haters. they gonna hate. This is good.

>>1190510
Professor of Mathematics here. I find this to be intriguing and brilliant. I'm sure you'll make your University proud.

>>1190724
Flip. Nobody told me we get an anthem. Provided we get the interplanetary equivalent of a state motto, bird, and flower, we're golden.

>>1190734
Art teacher here. I need a stiff drink.

>>1190737
I didn't mean a band procession. I just meant some piece of music. More than likely a collection of pianos and strings since we have absolutely no idea how they perceive sound. But that's a whole different can of worms.

>>1190734
I'm an autodidact. No Uni.

>>1190721
the entire intent of the flag is to demonstrate our scientific and mathematical knowledge to anyone who might see it.
if you didnt know that, you might want to skim through the thread a bit.

>>1190739
Gym teacher here. I molest my students.

>>1190739
Well I'm a graphic designer by trade. Don't worry, I feel dirty too. But sometimes I put design to the side for function.

>Next we have a circle. This shows them that we understand the properties of a circle, namely the constant PI.
what the fuck are you fucking retarded?
of course they know that we have a fucking space station in orbit even if we didn't have it would be real hard to hide the knowledge of PI..
it's exactly the same with the golden ratio it's just stupid to put the meaning of PI and the golden ratio in your flag

>Lastly we have a carbon atom in the center of the symbol to show that we are carbon-based.
this does not look like carbon no carbon at all...
and of course they would know that we are carbon based if they've travelled all the way here they would know the instant they've analysed our atmosphere

frsi time venturing onto this board..nice idea..

>>1190734
Professor of Astronomy here. I plan to show this to my students tomorrow. If any of you see it in class, try not to let the rest know I visit 4chan.

You gave me a great lesson plan for one day. We'll have fun discussing what we would do if another civilization visited us.

>>1190747
Bad director here. I'm homosex.

>>1190757
>Lesson plan
>discussing what we would do if another civilization visited us.

Do you teach at a community college in Alabama?

>>1190510
and what if they're not friendly now you just told them how we've evolved and what colors we see.. and that we're carbon based hell you want us dead...

>>1190750
>this does not look like carbon no carbon at all...
I could tell it was carbon at a glance from the thumbnail. I study chemistry.

Damn man, you seem tense. Relax a bit. Just because they did ZOMGSCANS before they got here and made some assumptions doesn't mean we can't still represent ourselves that way.

>>1190764
Community College but not in Alabama.

>>1190734

If I showed something like this to one of my lecturers, he'd think I was retarded. Or 12.

>>1190781
agreed.

>>1190781
Indeed.

>>1190781
Glad to see that no one here has a sense of whimsy, interest, or drive anymore. Looks like good ol' public education stamped it out of you lot.

I don't care what the hell a professor does in his class.

after all i'm glad that stupid people are not allowed such decisions like choosing a flag
else all the flags would be just plain stupid like OP's flag

>>1190807
Here's the thing: Most flags of the world are stupid.

>>1190788

Because I don't cream myself over this flag? Good psychoanalysis.

>>1190814
Ha ha ha. Well on that note I need sleep. 4 hours till Nintendo's conference and I have to do some writing on it.

Catch you people later. I hope you enjoy the flag!

>>1190814
no every nation chooses wisely their flag and it represent the nation and the people

but this flag it's just like the first contact flag then we can shred it... and even for a first contact it's a bad flag..

Actually we have noo need of any flag in space. because there aren't any other intelligent beings, in the entire universe.

A lot of simple organisms, sure. But intelligent life? NOPE.

>>1190861
>whale biologist

but guys, how would a flag even stay intact in space, its a vacuum there, and it would explode, plus theres too strong of wind for it to not get torn to shreds

>>1190861
huuuur duuur

>>1190874
herp derp

>>1190879
>>1190875
i lold at mongoloid combo

>>1190744
>autodidact
Okay, now I KNOW you're a faggot. First this high-school goth flag, then claiming to be an autodidact.
GTFO.

>>1190510

Alice, I usually agree with your mode of thought, but I am very disappoint with this. Most of the premises here are complete nonsense. Ever stop to consider that some of them are pure artifacts?
>The shape of the flag--a rectangle-- tells them that we have stereoscopic vision.
>The inscribed pentagram also shows that we understand another constant, the growth of life on our planet: PHI. We know that things grow proportional to themselves. And if they're perceptive and intuitive, this will hint at our knowledge of evolution. After all, we evolved in the shape of the pentagram and with the ratios within it.

All nonsense. Cannot be reproduced a priori. One of the fundamental qualities of science is that it searches for things that can be found by anyone with the right tools and repeated. That is not the case here. You have convinced me that at the moment, you cannot into science. I suggest you try to fix that.

So disappoint.

This should be humanity's flag.

>>1191104
I disagree and suggest this.

This.

>>1191132
now that is awesome

People who say no durr it looks like a carbon atom only know so due to the way they learnt chemistry. The aliens might haven ever developed such a representation of a carbon atom. Hence i'm not to sure on that part of the flag. The rest quick ingenious.

>>1191132
That's pretty fucking bad ass.
Alien races would instantly understand the wolves' ability to communicate through howling and how they're nocturnal by the fact that the moon is depicted. The fact that there are 3 of them on there would tell them that we were the third planet from the sun.

Everything about this flag is based off bad assumptions.

I don't think I need to go over any of them, as others already have, but I do want to mention one thing, because I feel it bears repeating ad nauseum on /sci/.

"Color" is a linguistic, cultural, and cognitive organization that subdivides human visual perception. "Visible light" is not the same thing.

Not everyone sees green. I'm not saying that some people are physically incapable of seeing the grouping of wavelengths we in English call "green." What I'm saying is that there is no color "green" for some people.

In East Asia, for example, there was 青 (qīng in Chinese, aoi in Japanese, etc.); this color compromises what we in English view as the entirely distinct categories of "blue" and "green". Of course, you have ways of talking about the other colors separately; for example, in Japanese, many colors are metaphors based off of the colors of various plants.

Surely, the eyes of people in Japan can pick up the same wavelengths, but they (perhaps) do not at all perceive the same thing.

In terms of this flag, you could use red and blue to bound what wavelengths the human eye can detect is, but that assumes an alien would be able to figure out that's what it means. They could see in infrared, or can't see at all, or whatever, for all we know.

>>1191578
bullshit stupidity is bullshit and stupid

ofcourse they percieve blue and green, what are you, 12?
just because it might be the same word, (which it wasn't) doesn't make them unable to communicate two different colors with the same symbol or word. All languages are not like english. You could basically call every color "color" and STILL BE ABLE to talk about all the different colors. How? Figure it out yourself, r-tard.

>Heres a flag

"Entities idolizing the concept of 'the flag' (i.e. are mentally locked in glorified tribalism) should be left alone until they wake up."

>>1192106
I don't think you understood anything of what I wrote.

Further, I don't think you understand what 'perception' is as opposed to 'sensory input'.

Nor do I think you really understand the fine semantic difference between an actual cognitive category for a color, and a metaphoric cognitive category for a color from something in the world.

Nor do I think you understand what a cognitive category is, nor the implications of one.

Of course they can talk about 'green' by itself. In Japanese, you'd call that 'midori', after the general idea of 'vegetation', especially 'new vegitation' (as it also has the metaphorical implications of 'green' = 'new', like in English). Further, anything you can call 'midori' you can call 'aoi'. But not everything you can call 'aoi' can also be 'midori'.

My point was that there is first a huge difference between 'perception' and 'sensory input', and second there is a difference between a cognitive category that is based in metaphor and one that is not, which can affect how one thinks, and is reflected in language.