/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11900882
They are both fake diseases

>>11900882
did you even read the wikipedia?

Yes

>>11900882
they are the opposite of each other
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinted_brain_theory

>>11900882
I don't know let me ask my other persona

>>11901734
I don't know let me ask my other persona

>>11900882
Schizophrenia is the process of living out narrative information and then drowning within those narratives. They learn to respond to narratives instead of what occurs around them. They tie the events that transpire around them into narratives they have picked up along the way and associate the two. To a schizophrenic, the line between fiction and reality does not exist. To them, a mechanism in a story is the same mechanism outside of the story.

Schizophrenia can lay dormant in an individual because they either haven't met the information threshold they would need to meet to disconnect from "consensus" reality, or they haven't run into the particular narrative that would cause the disconnect. So many schizos think they are jesus because that is an often repeated story in this particular culture. The jesus-schizo experiences life events that might be archetypically in line with jesus' narrative, and so a sort of feedback happens where they begin to scan reality for "cues" for their role as jesus. Because art mirrors life (and vice versa), they are trapped within narratives through exposure to reality. Events that might paint them to be the narrative or be experiencing the narrative they have absorbed are wired into the brain as proofs of that fiction. This further ingrains the fiction, and so the next cue/proof that they come to that falls in line with any narrative they might be living out is then connected to the previous neuron holding the previous cue they experienced. They throw pills at them to prevent their brain from growing and making those connections. The only way to prevent the process of paralleling narrative information with everyday occurrences in someone who has learned how to do this is to prevent the brain from growing, so that is EXACTLY what is done.

Autism is described as the inability to anticipate that another's mind experiences different things and an inability to anticipate what others could possibly be going through.

>>11900882
Mobilefag fuck off, kys for being bad at cropping

>>11900882
a mother's age being young at the time of birth is correlated with a higher chance of schizophrenia and lower for autism while a higher age of mother at time of birth is the reverse

I'm autistic and I developped some schizophrenic rmtraits because of loneliness, and I'm probably not the only one.

>>11902795
this is an interesting way to put it.
I've realized lately that I see my life through a highly narrative-dependent lens. I had always kind of thought everybody thought about their life that way, but I started having deep conversations with friends about their internal mental experiences, and many of them described them in different terms. To me, everything is a story, and I will often make decisions based on how interesting of a story lies behind the events involved, sometimes even when I know the decision is materially wrong or out of line with my goals. That said, I still see things pretty logically and I don't think that the radio is talking to me unless I've taken a lot of LSD. I hope this doesn't mean I'm a latent schizophrenic. I think it might be bad for my skills as a scientist though. My narrative-based worldview tends to push me to make decisions about scientific research based on how good of a story the potential discovery would be, rather than based on how good the evidence is that the research is likely to be fruitful. It's a bias of mine that I have to keep under wraps.

>>11903028
Do you think being able to come up with narratives may actually be beneficial in some ways, for instance when communicating/selling works or ideas?

>>11900882
Yes

>>11902795
Good sounding explanation, but what's your background to be able to ensure these things are true?
Also, if that medication part is true, that sucks for schizos. Either be a schizo or mentally dampen both the schizo and creative parts of your brain.

>>11902795
Why is this post bullshit?

No, schizophrenia is not characterized by drowning in narratives or having its life being driven by any sort of narrative. In fact, schizophreniacs fail to form a narrative at all. Especially when it comes to embedding themselves into those narratives.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19955004/
This is in agreement with what one would expect from failure to properly distinguish reality from fantasy, a failure to have a proper identify of self together with very scewed senses.
Schizophreniacs fail to properly interpret social cues, they have problems with theory of mind to a degree only seen in severely autistic people.

Thus, being unable to predict what other people do + the actual and ever-shifting inconsistencies around them make them anxious. Their paranoia simply being the manifestation of another hallucination.

>>11900882
There is no inherent link between those two. There are some superficial similarities but the underlying manifestation is very different. Autistic people are mostly aloof, oblivious to social impulses because of numerous things, sometimes comorbid with alexithymia and prosopagnosia. Sometimes they fail to develop verbal language. Mostly, they develop a proper understanding of their non-social surroundings even if unable to properly communicate that.
Schizophrenia is assumed to be something that develops rather than is innate. Unlike autistic people who themselves describe that they have different needs, different emotions, you don't find many such stories in schizophreniacs prior to developing schizophrenia.

>>11903221
yeah, absolutely.

>>11901696
>they are the opposite of each other
No, schizophrenia is the opposite of Parkinson's.

>>11902795
>Autism is described as the inability to anticipate that another's mind experiences different things and an inability to anticipate what others could possibly be going through.

you literally could not be more misinformed about autism. Please don't talk about autism unless you actually have it or experience it personally.

>>11902809
>Mobilefag
nice title case there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnklxGAmak

Skip to ~20min

>>11903267
I went through a few years of psychosis and then figured out how to stabilize myself without medication. I was smart enough to know better than to get classified as schizo, and had enough psychology chops to know how to avoid the classification, so when I was evaluated I lied where I knew i needed to and was classified bipolar instead. Also, i knew when i was in the ward that I would likely be made to take medication, and I knew that meds for bipolar and schizophrenia are often the same, so then I could try the medication to see what it might do while avoiding the schizophrenia diagnosis.

Ever notice that the word diagnosis is just dia, as in diametric, and gnosis, meaning knowledge?

Diagnosis are diametrically apposed to obtaining knowledge, because a diagnosis results often in being given medication and being given medication prevents you from understanding what is wrong with you and fixing it yourself, gaining knowledge of the root issue in the process.
Medical diagnosis are actually the process of obscuring the Truth by either labeling or obscuring the issue with synthetic medications.

>>11904504
I actually taught the autistic life skills for roughly two years. In order to teach them, you have to understand how their brain functions. Essentially what I was being paid to do was impossible.

>>11905229
take your meds

>>11905240
Meds don't help, they just cover up the issue so that the individual never learns to deal with it properly. For me, psychosis was just dealing with that which had never been dealt with because I was too naive and hopeful to realize that anything was wrong. I was sponging up anything and everything in my environment and I wasn't actively processing what I was taking in. It was all junk information. The bloatware and trojans of mental software is what I spent years accumulating, and then a few years uninstalling. Though it IS notable it took a lot more time to download all of that bullshit than it took to remove it.

>>11905271
Got a tl;dr on your general process to recovery?

>>11900882
based on this board i think there is.

>>11905238
Fuck..this hurts me physically to read. But it validates me in a way. Im not proud of being autistic, but at least someone understands how "different" we are.

>>11902795
>Autism is described as the inability to anticipate that another's mind experiences different things and an inability to anticipate what others could possibly be going through.

Not to be dudeweed or anything, but I used to be like that, but weed helped me become super empathetic. It fades a bit when I'm sober, but when I'm stoned I feel a lot of empathetic clarity, like "Oh shit, that's what this person is going through" or "Oh shit, this is how my behaviour must seem to them" etc

>>11905277
All incoming information MUST be processed actively and sorted/encoded at the time of experiencing or else it is placed in the subconscious which causes improper integration and faulty neural connections/netting. You have to immerse in reality even while you hang back and process it all as it comes.

>>11905310
Mindfulness, basically?

>>11905309
I think empathizing is nothing but trouble.
I'm better off without it, that's for sure.
Empathizing programs your mind to be similar to that which is empathized with, since you are experiencing the world from their point of view for a moment and that process forms neurons that correspond to said empathy.
I don't want to install other people's mode of processing, I want to expound on my own mode of processing.
Empathy is how you get crappy clones giving each other asspats because they were programmed to get dopamine dumps for doing so. You ever wonder why females act like they do towards one another and there is less variation between them? Empathy is why.

I know how to empathize and spent most of my life doing so. When I stopped empathizing my mind became a lot clearer.

>>11905312
Mindfulness while understanding that most memes/ideas/judgements/behaviors are harmful and that they must be edited before they are allowed to form long-lasting neurons in the brain. The world is NOT a friendly, nice place.

Essentially I treat everything as a potential cognito hazard unless I came up with part of it myself. It's interesting that they call schizophrenics paranoid when essentially modulated paranoia is part of the answer to their problems.

I have fairly good people skills so I can hide this process from others and act as if nothing is an issue. A schizophrenic should try to adjust themselves with the lack of empathy of a autist/sociopath, and the insulation of a schizoid while polishing their people skills. Learn to make a joke; being funny is the best way to offset the above shifts.

Clown world. Honk Honk.

>>11900882
Do you want the scientific explanation or the psychiatric one? Because that's what it comes down to. Personally the psychiatric explanation is more interesting.

>>11900882
I think I got the schizophrenia just from looking at that pic...

>>11900882

The asshole who lived directly above me and who (I hope to god, with credible evidence) seems to have moved out now may well have had either or both.

>>11903322
Then what is what that other anon was talking about. I definitely have that abd am on track for whatever the clinical version of that is. I thought it was schizo but maybe it's not.
I don't know who to believe but that source does sort of disprove that guy. Still, me, that guy, and another guy all experience it, so what is it? Is that link only partially correct but missing something? I don't know enough about schizophrenia.
Everything I do is part of my narrative, part of my character. I thought this was just a me thing but apparently it's not. Others now have succinctly summed up exactly what I'm talking about.

>>11905229
>word play
Now thats a schizo hallmark.

>>11905309
I feel exactly the same. I smoke simetimes in social settings. It helps a lot, i am clueless otherwise and have an empty mind during convo. With weed i just say stuff without thinking about it and it just fits. I wonder if thats how normal people communicate- based on intuitions not rationalizing. However during my normal waking hours I dont have any of those intuitions at all.