/sci/ - Science & Math

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https://www.humanmars.net/2020/07/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-lunar-starship.html
here's sauce

i came here looking for tall grain silo construction buildings

>>11901195
Soon...

Do you think SpaceX will end up just painting the regular Starship model white?

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>>11901203
>unofficial
boooo
still sorta cool though

>>11901223
Only if they have to do NASA missions.

>>11901223
absolutely not, the stainless can get hotter than the paint could

>>11901195
Fresh bread

>China's Mars rover Tianwen-1 will land in Utopia Planitia, the same site that SpaceX is targeting for it's Mars colony
Did anyone watch that Space Force show?

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>>11901203
Longrocket is long

>>11901195
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>>11901203
Regardless of whether it’s just a concept or not, it’s still to-scale and shows the immense space inside a Starship. Literally an orbital research station with the ability to land. Is it larger than gateway?

>>11901230
Perhaps. I'm only suggesting it because it could be used to protect against corrosion.

>>11901235
They've never even done a lander there, let alone a rover. Plus now Mars is gonna get wuflu.

>>11901237
I haven't actually claimed a combo in a fucking decade, holy shit
giving myself flashbacks to shitposting in high school

>>11901237

Home....

>>11901242
>IS it larger tHan GateWaY?

>>11901249
Yeah that was my question

>>11901252
it's a stupid question

>>11901235
grorious wover the pinnacle of sino dominance in our sorar system!
*gets crushed under ss landing leg*

>>11901242
>Is it larger than gateway?
Ridiculously larger.

>>11901255
You’re a stupid faggot

>>11901246
Need to edit that Long March to say 啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊

Could the Gateway become a future depot?

>>11901195
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>>11901203
>Posting all 3 before linking this thread in the previous
clever

>>11901242
A Starship's pressurized internal volume exceeds that of the ISS by about 76m^3, Starship is about 1000m^3 while the ISS hangs out at 915m^3. Moonship will completely dwarf gateway, which will have a pathetic 125m^3 of pressurized internal volume.

>>11901264
pardon me?

>>11901264
Over Shelby's dead body.

that lunar starship diagram is cool but it'll probably have a lot less internal space becausa nasa will want to fill it with supplies for a moon base

>>11901260
wow you sure showed him.

>>11901264
the current plan is for the landers to hang about at the gateway and await refueling
there won't be any fuel storage on board the gateway other than the landers themselves

>>11901267
Thank you, I was more interested in internal volume because a lot of Starship has to be used for fuel tanks and engines. It exceeds that of the ISS? That’s fucking insane

>>11901267
>cubic kilometer of internal space
wut?

>>11901263
earth to mars elevator!

>>11901277
Alright way to samefag and make it look like people are rooting for you. I was just asking a question you dense heeb

>>11901284
no, it's one thousand cubic meters
a cubic kilometer is one million cubic meters

>>11901230
It doesn't need a heatshield because moon starships won't come back.

>>11901217
What in god's cock is this from?

>>11901284
No, 1km^3 would be a cube with faces 1x1x1km long, Starship's pressurized volume in totality is what you'd get if you took 1000 1x1x1m cubes and compacted them into a dildo shape.

>>11901288
I wasn't samefagging, I just think it's funny how you got so butthurt. You asked a legitimate question and then acted retarded when someone made fun of you, like you will in response to this post.

>>11901288
you fag I didn't samefag
anyway the question was stupid because Starship is fuckhueg
>>11901290
yes, and the titanium white paint might do better on the lunar surface than the raw stainless, but raw stainless is better for reentry, so normal Starships won't be painted white

actually, did you know that you could absolutely bring the moon starship back to Earth?
if you bring it back to LEO propulsively and then fill it up full in LEO, you can do propulsive reentry

>>11901293
filename

>>11901195
>>11901199
That's alot less room than I imagined.

>>11901293
Skylab
have you never heard of Skylab? Shuttle killed it. It landed on Australia.

>>11901276
They're sending dedicated resupply craft full of fuel to meet up with the landers?

>>11901302
don't talk to me or my sons ever again

Have they put in the second bolt yet?

>>11901293
Skylab, it's a modified Saturn V third stage, it exists purely to mock how far human spaceflight has fallen since the Apollo era.

>>11901311
scheduled for next spring

>>11901306
it's different for each lander
Starship: Yes, always
Dynetics: Yes, as part of the sustainability initiative for future missions, as well as delivering the drop tanks
National Team: Yes, as part of the sustainability initiative for future missions

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>>11901301
Fuck, my apologies, lads. I'm phoneposting like a nigger and failed to check the filename. I will do penance.

>>11901311
They're still waiting on the studies on when to screw in the second bolt. It's still a month out.

>>11901298
Yes
>>11901300
Alright well I was just curious. Also regarding lunar starship I think Elon mentioned wanting to bring one of them back (probably the one they run the demo with). Could it survive without a heat shield?

>>11901311
No, congress hasn't approved funding for a second bolt yet.

>>11901223
They painted the X-15 once and it either crashed or it was very close. The weight of paint is a big deal in Aerospace let alone on the skyscraper scale for Starship.

>>11901324
No, the furthest you could bring back a Moonship is to return it to LEO and park it. Without a heat shield it would overheat during reentry and probably fold in half. I'm not sure if it would actually completely burn up, but it would certainly overheat to the point where it's structure would fail and aerodynamic stresses in the mid-atmosphere would tear it apart.

>>11901324
You need to fill the HLS Starship full in LEO first, and then do propulsive entry, which could work. Nobody's ever done propulsive entry before though, lol

the lunar starships that Elon wants to bring back are the CLPS cargo starships, which will have the full aero and reentry package

>>11901333
PROPULSIVE
REENTRY
I think a full Starship has the delta v for that

>>11901268
he needs to be pointing a gun at the viewer

>>11901246
Longest March

>>11901335
Propulsive reentry being different how? I assume by that you mean you fill the tank full and then fire the engines all the way down to keep a constant slow velocity?

>>11901338
I guess it depends on how flexible the design is, my first thought is that it's too tall to be stable. Capsules are dummy thicc in the ass and thus stabilize themselves passively, the shuttle has a very large aerodynamic surface and reenters at a much shallower angle than a capsule, preventing it from experiencing the same ferocious thermal stresses. Starship is somewhere between the two, but it still bellies in like a shuttle instead of dropping straight in ass-first like a capsule.
Hey, they're cheap, as long as you know where potential debris will land and can ensure it's safe, I'd give it a shot just to see what happens.

>>11901343
it doesn't work quite like that, but yes, like getting to orbit but in reverse

okay this is weird i watched too much space videos that i got into /x/ tier territory of maldek

i need to stop, i wanna go back to rockets

>>11901259
>tfw your landing vehicle has more mass than the orbital base camp it's supposed to service
I love it.

>>11901339
guards! nationalize this man!

>>11901358
That's how it is sometimes. The delivery vehicle is larger than the facility. We're just not used to it in spaceflight.

>>11901259
Imagine being a LOPGlet watching this monster ship slowly approach you.
>The weak should fear the strong.

>>11901358
>>11901368
The ISS and Shuttle were like that at first.

How is /sfg/ preparing to cope for when the Basedship to explode on the launchpad, while the tried and trusted technology of the Mighty SLS carries it into space with fuel to spare?

>>11901339
>You thought you could hide your propellant depots from me, didn't you? You little punk!

>>11901388
By knowing that our payload will always get greater heights than those on the SLS, because it's not like SLS will launch anytime soon.

>>11901398
>Shelby is left handed

How is /sfg/ preparing to cope for when the Soiship explodes on the launchpad, while the tried and trusted technology of the Mighty SLS effortlessly carries it into space with fuel to spare?

>>11901388
>>11901407
>he got bit by the word filter
hello newfag

>>11901407
>got cucked by the filter
kek

>>11901407
Go away, Shelby.

>>11901407
>>11901409
attempting to avoid the word filter is a bannable offense, anons

>>11901217
What happens if you're on that station by yourself and you lose inertia in the center of the big open area? You'd just drift in the center if the station until you died of thirst, there would be no way to propel yourself to the sides.

>>11901401
>And you thought a man who swapped from Democrat to Republican wouldn't be ambidextrous? Guess again. Your refueling days are over.

>>11901421
Wait until you have to pee, then use it as thrust.

Why does richard shelby hate refueling
t. newfag

>>11901421
It was found that there was very little chance of this happening as the momentum that brought you to the center would just carry you to the other side. Worst case scenario you could just strip and throw your clothes as propellant.

>>11901427
https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1156294287245660160

>>11901427
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/rocket-scientist-says-that-boeing-squelched-work-on-propellant-depots/
tl:dr - propellant depots increase the amount of payload a rocket can carry beyond low Earth orbit. This is a threat to SLS because it is banking on being the sole rocket that can carry heavy payloads to space. Shelby is a huge proponent of SLS and benefits greatly from its existence. So he used his Senate powers to stop the development of propellant depots.

>>11901421
You could actually "swim" in the air. It's a slow, but sure process.

>>11901421
Spread butty butt cheeks and shoot poopoos and peepees from butt and penis to become poopoo peepee rocket and blast off around the grand station

>>11901438
you'd get better ISP if you pooped in your hand and then threw it

>>11901421
Aim ass and fart.

>>11901235
I could probably pick it up and throw it off a cliff.

>>11901444
*ISPee

FACT: Technology on the SLS has ALREADY carried people to the Moon, therefore it is already successful.
FACT: SpaceX has yet to accomplish any new feats of note.
FACT: Elon Musk is a pedophile.

>>11901446
maybe on the moon but not on Earth

>>11901421
I would imagine a hot girl and feverishly masturbate until I came AT FULL FORCE and use the ejaculation force to get to the wall and then hang onto the wall and press a few buttons to take the Skylab out of orbit it's over boys the experiment is finished it's time to ride this bitch to hell and I start to burn up in the atmosphere YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH but then I do a couple maneuvers and survive I land in Memphis hey Memphis ya like THESE gamsm *point to legs* no well the hell with ya and I steal a car to get back to the White House but just then a wild Rattatta appears I throw my pokeball it's unsuccessful

>>11901421
You can swim in the air, anon.

Depot

>>11901453
>Technology on the SLS has ALREADY carried people to the Moon
What tech would that be? Wrist watches?

Hop when?

>>11901454
It’s going to Mars

>>11901431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o3H0hcneFc
>Crazy Elon's launch provider, launch one satellite get one free!

>>11901453
I think your space shuttle has autism

>>11901454
>>11901465

Did the math. The rover is 530 pounds, which is 201 pounds on Mars. Easily liftable

Isn't the shuttle stack a super-heavy lifter? Why not just strap something else to the side of it instead of the shuttle instead of trying to develop the SLS? That's what they did with the Energia at least.

>>11901478
Congratulations. you just made SLS.

>>11901478
You mean like Shuttle C?

>>11901477
I can deadlift that rover on earth, send me to mars I'll fuck up some chink probes

>>11901479
If that's all the SLS is then why is it taking so long?

>>11901478
Shuttle-C would have been so heavy that it wouldn't significantly improve performance
or maybe they just sandbagged the numbers

>>11901482
oldspace cash farm/engineer welfare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island
>In the ocean
>Near the equator
>Has some industry
>British
Future British spaceport when?

>>11901482
Bureaucracy, corruption, damage from Columbia.

>>11901491
>shitain
>capable of doing anything other than cutting NHS funding and arresting people for using sporks

>>11901263
oh fuck reminds me of that one flash game where you sling a hedgehog into space

>>11901482
Boeing wants to draw out SLS as long as possible, and produce as little as they can legally get away with to make lots of money
Congress and the Senate love it because Boeing brings high paying jobs to their districts, which they can tax/brag about to their constituents + Lobbying power because Boeing produces more than just SLS parts, but planes, weapons, and various other things used heavily by the military

>>11901478
Because that would have made sense. Even a supermodern shuttle or something like the X-33b rockwell, maybe a stubby winged lifting body vehicle stacked vertically atop an SLS-like first stage. Huh, imagine that, a big second stage reusable orbiter with small aerodynamic surfaces vertically stacked aboard a superheavy booster. It sorta reminds me of Starship, almost as if there is a form factor which inherently does well in Earth-based rocketry.

What kind of space sports would appear in the Olympics?

>>11901505
>Even on the moon, joggers gonna job.

>>11901505
>not even a single olympics event happened in 2020
keeeeeeek

Elon's Junkyard and Rocket Emporium

>>11901505
Moonbase Alpha tournaments.
Rover racing.
Laser fencing.
Microgravity gymnastics.

>>11901506
It was a less demoralized time, people still had some hope that Africa could be something more than a collage of failed states. Now it seems like the least horrific future for them is become a bunch of slave states for China, who will gut the country for it's precious resources in an attempt to expand it's monopoly on industry.

>>11901502
https://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php/89542-Rockwell-X-33
>The X-33 (both versions) the X-34, and the X-38 all cancelled and scrapped. Why can't they just turn it over to a private firm rather that cutting them up!

>Well, the good news is that Space-X successfully launched into orbit!

>>11901526
*continent, not country.

what a beautiful site
>>11901520
honestly LRC (Lunar Rally Cross) would be a very exciting sport

>>11901526
You don't need to tell me, I was born in the 70s.

>>11901519
>builds a scrap yard and exposive facility on peoples doorsteps
>kills a bunch of local wildlife
>pollutes orbit with thousands of garbage satellites for an internet service that will never be online
>steals money from tax payers for paper rocket projects that will never fly
>"lands" his rockets in the ocean in thousands of pieces
Why the fuck to people like Elon and his scam company again?

>>11901505
https://youtu.be/q11w9UF5vKM

>>11901536
it's fucking beautiful

>>11901540
>That giant space shuttle benis.
Ban this sick filth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTaG91KD5s
I heard that testing this thing triggered seismic sensors nearby. Imagine being a technician seeing a readout that doesn't make sense only to later find out that it was from the world's largest rocket.

>>11901505
God they were so optimistic.

>>11901559
they had every right to be
spaceflight must have seemed so easy

>>11901536
>builds a scrap yard and exposive facility on peoples doorsteps
so?
>kills a bunch of local wildlife
proof?
>pollutes orbit with thousands of garbage satellites for an internet service that will never be online
>that will never be online
>source, dude trust me
also they're in low earth orbit dumbass, they will fall back to earth in a couple years
>steals money from tax payers for paper rocket projects that will never fly
really? You said that about the falcon 1, falcon 9, and falcon heavy.
>"lands" his rockets in the ocean in thousands of pieces
faggot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VCy4pwu7FQ
Why do people doubt Elon again?

>>11901533
I found a simulation of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYPqpjN8GgE

>>11901536
>paper rocket projects that will never fly
Starhopper already flew, fagmo. The Raptor works. Starship is at least as real as SLS.

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>>11901561
Space flight is easy, or at least easier than what politics makes it out to be.

depot

>>11901559
The technology was there, but not the political will.

>>11901562
The first privately funded liquid-fueled rocket to reach orbit (Falcon 1 flight 4 on September 28, 2008)
The first privately developed liquid-fueled rocket to put a commercial satellite in orbit
The first private company to successfully launch, orbit, and recover a spacecraft
The first private company to send a spacecraft to the International Space Station
The first private company to send a satellite into geosynchronous orbit
The first landing of an orbital rocket's first stage on land
The first landing of an orbital rocket's first stage on an ocean platform
The first relaunch and landing of a used orbital rocket stage
The first controlled flyback and recovery of a payload fairing
The first re-flight of a commercial cargo spacecraft.
The first private company to send an object into heliocentric orbit
The first private company to send a human-rated spacecraft to space
The first private company to autonomously dock a spacecraft to the International Space Station
The first use of a full flow staged combustion cycle engine (Raptor) in a free flying vehicle
The first reuse of payload fairing
The first private company to send humans into orbit (Crew Dragon Demo-2 on May 30, 2020).
The first private company to send humans to the International Space Station (Crew Dragon Demo-2 on May 31, 2020).

>>11901559
We need to bring back that level of optimism.

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>>11901575
YOU'VE INSULTED ME FOR THE LAST TIME ANON, THAT'S IT.
I'M GONNA SAY THE N WORD!

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>>11901580
Yes, but a British guy says that space flight is so hard that we shouldn't bother with it. SpaceX busted!

>>11901580
This is all null and void because Elon stole the technology from Blue Origin

>>11901592
That's the first thing I've seen that looks like a space SHIP since the Shuttle, and this one doesn't have a giant orange strike hazard tank attached to the outside.

>>11901581
That's a political problem with political answers out of scope for this board, but suffice to say that the answer does not include voting for Sir Sniffsaloli.

>>11901608
Source?

>>11901505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2TzDwPEX2g

>>11901608
Source?
>dude trust me

>>11901618
>>11901611
>blue origin sues spaceX for infringing on their patents
https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2015-08-27-Termination-request-for-adverse-judgment-after-institutio....pdf

>inb4 the lawsuit was dropped
Blue Origin still had the patent, and the McDonnell Douglas DC-XA did it first

>>11901628
spacex was working on that technology on their own though, blue origin pretty much just said "we're gonna do this" but never actually acted on it

>>11901628
The patent (US8678321B2) only covers barge landings, not retropropulsive landings as a concept, and there was no sign that SpaceX "stole" the tech. They merely had the same idea that Blue Origin did, which makes sense given that both companies were doing similar things.

>>11901444
Isp = Impulse of shit and pee

>>11901635
Barge landings seems like too broad of a concept to patent.

>>11901637
ISP = I Shit Propellant
>actually not a bad description of rockets in general

>>11901648
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8678321B2/en
That's what it covers it seems like.

> The highest number of active astronauts at one time, was in 2000 when there were 149
Will Artemis return us to another era of lots of astronauts? Shuttle was a POS but they had a ton of astronauts training at once, especially around the 90’s and 00’s. Between Orion and Starship surely these numbers will go up, or is Artemis going to be a outpost only for the few like Apollo

>>11901669
I'm sure CC will pump it up too

>>11901669
if starship is successful, it will be able to shuttle more people than the space shuttle, plus we'll have Orion (lol) and Starliner (LOL) and most likely have a chinese scramble to make something to compete with starship in the near future, so there will probably be a massive increase in the next few years

>>11901491
"Has some industry"

Ahh fantastic. There is and old mom and pop company that manufactures bike handles, surely this will be very helpful when setting up a spaceflight infrastructure , I mean it's all mostly there

>>11901669
Is starship works for even 1/10 the price advertised every government and major scientific institution will train astronauts of their own even if just for prestige sake

>>11901688
The astronauts corps has been such an important aspect of spaceflight. Not just in the US but every country like Canada, Russia, European Astronaut Corps, etc. How long until the astronaut corps dies and regular civilians will be flying... I would suspect that Elon would want passengers to go through training. Would they do it in some sort of NASA corps or would it just be basic internal training

>>11901699
Astronaut corps will get moved over to USSF. NASA will buy commercial rides.

>>11901379
>the other astronauts abandon their missions and shitty landers to go snort coke and do space shots in the extremely luxurious Starship bar/lounge

>>11901716
I wonder if Starship could bring the other company's entire landers to the moon.

>>11901716
>Elon lands an extra one and converts the tanks into wet labs
>instant moonbase

>>11901725
Probably both on one trip in cargo config.

>>11901302
I think the NatGeo show kinda got it accurate. You'd only need a 'pod' for sleeping anyway, I imagine most people would spend their time in the gyms or trying to get views from the windows

>>11901730
Oh shit that’s on netflix, i never use my account i’ll put it to use. Yeah this is really cool. Maybe the bottleneck for Mars colonists will be “do you want to commit to living in a small closet for 4-6 months” but people do longer times on the ISS so it’s possible.

>>11901746
God damn I just started it. Very fanfic space porn vibes, but at least the technology is conservative and realistic

>>11901746
it's decent, except it's more from a NASA point of view at first with only like 6 people. Season 2 has muh private mining corporations who seem to do nothing but fuck things up

>>11901669
The number of NASA astronauts will be completely outshadowed by how many people SpaceX sends to mars and low earth orbit anyways.

>>11901699
Astronauts will still be useful for stuff like the first manned missions to the outer and far inner solar system, since you'll want people who are heavily trained and can properly complete scientific objectives when you're millions or billions of kilometers from the nearest humans.

>>11901746
numerous times SpaceX has mentioned 40 crew cabins for the first starships. Honestly I feel like the 9 meter starship will carry more like 12-40 people to Mars, while the 18 meter starship will be the one that carries 100 people to Mars.

>>11901289
>no, it's one thousand cubic meters
>a cubic kilometer is one million cubic meters
A cubic kilometer is a billion cubic meters, actually.

1000x1000x1000 = 1,000,000,000

When converting volume units in terms of length cubed you need to cube everything; just as there's 1000 m/km, there's 1000^3 m^3/km^3.
You may have been confused by the relationship between volumes in terms of centimeters cubed and meters cubed, since there's only 100 centimeters per meter. There are 100^3 cubic centimeters per cubic meter, which equals one million. The cubic centimeter is also the milliliter, a thousand of which make a liter, and a thousand liters makes a cubic meter.

>>11901296
Right, 1000 m^3 makes a cube with sides ten meters long. 10x10x10 = 1000.

so will the 18m super BFR be wider and taller, or just wider?

>>11901839
Probably taller too.

>>11901839
taller, but not crazy so. With rockets it's better if you can just make them wider, the internal space gains are very efficient

>>11901263
Give me one (1) reason why this wouldn't work

>>11901844
So how are any of those suppose to land?

>>11901559
tfw

>>11901839
Taller, but not by much.

>>11901860
Very carefully.

>>11901860
Ass first, retropropulsively. The old ITS design had big extendo legs for landing, but I think Starship has dispensed with them.

>>11901844
I don't like the fuckhuge windows on the front. Look like giant toenails.

>>11901882
Toes are sexy

>>11901888
Footfags need to be sent to Mercury.

>>11901888
Not when your spaceship looks like a giant’s toe
>>11901890
Agreed

>>11901890
What’s wrong with feet anon

>>11901905
Foot fetishism disturbs me down to my very sole.

Let's not start this. There is plenty of room in space for both footchads and subhumans.

This is a very stupid question from a 30 year old boomer but how do I wrap my brain around seeing the ISS tonight? It will be visible but my brain just cannot get around what it means by 10° above NNW. I get the latter part is North-Northwest but is the degree part by incline or whatever? I'm a dunce with mathematics and pretty embarrassed to ask. My mom and I are going to try to see it again after we saw it two years ago, I think? It was pretty cool. We looked in the general direction but if there are better coordinates for it I can try to understand them. Any help would be appreciated. Not really space flight related unless you count the ISS as space flight.

You may, of course, call me retarded.

>>11901882
The engineering challenges mean they will probably be cut by the end production anyway. I hope they manage to keep them though, it would be cool as fuck from the inside

>>11901907
I used to not understand footfags, but after giving some foot massages to some pretty girls I can understand why people like them, if they’re clean and soft of course.

>>11901921

>>11901921
If you have an iphone download skyview lite. It uses your camera as like, augmented reality. I pointed it around and found the ISS and saw when and where it would fly over, and it did it at the exact time it showed.

>>11901933
Okay. I have no idea how I didn't understand that. Thank you.

>>11901939
Don't have an iPhone but I'm pretty sure I can eyeball it now. My brain. Argh.

Thanks, guys.

>>11901958
You should check out some of the Starlink trains, I find them much more interesting than the ISS. It's even better if you watch them get launched into orbit on a SpaceX live stream and then check them out from the ground.

https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink-2019-11

>>11901871
where are the aerodynamic fins

>Starlink will begin beta testing in rural Washington and British Columbia
How long until it's available for every state in the CONUS?

>>11901502
If they had a longer skirt around those engines the design would be better than the X-33 and Venture Star in every way.

>>11901991
Oh, this is very cool. I'll give it a shot when I can next time. Thanks, mate.

>>11901536
>builds a scrap yard and exposive facility on peoples doorsteps
based, fuck boomers
>kills a bunch of local wildlife
Oh nooo not the unique species of sand finch that has a white spot instead of a grey spot!!!
>pollutes orbit with thousands of garbage satellites for an internet service that will never be online
It's already online
>"lands" his rockets in the ocean in thousands of pieces
And all of those pieces are arranged in the form of a fully functional rocket launch vehicle stage standing upright, amazing the lengths they go to deceive us

>>11901608
Absolutely, which is why BO has failed to develop and fly anything bigger than a school bus full of hydrolox. SpaceX LITERALLY stole their intellectual property, so thoroughly that the BO engineers are physically incapable of making the same solid design choices that SpaceX has profited so greatly off of.

>>11901609
>That's the first thing I've seen that looks like a space SHIP since the Shuttle, and this one doesn't have a giant orange strike hazard tank attached to the outside.
Even better, Starship is physically larger than the Space Shuttle's external tank. It's both longer and wider. It's also half-full of methalox bipropellants, making it more than twice as massive as the Shuttle's ET.

>>11902001
>rural Washington
Sorta based, I'm in smaller town so hopefully it will be available and affordable enough.

>>11901656
>they literally tried to patent landing on a sea platform
Imagine some nobody company in 1910 trying to patent airplanes landing on a runway

>>11901716
>starship recovers BO's descent stage and dynetics' fuel tanks

>>11901839
Just wider, unless the engines can get more chamber pressure. The amount of propellant and rocket mass you can stack on top of every engine is your limiting factor for height. Important to note is that the Starship stack actually has a fairly ridiculously high thrust to weight ratio, and is therefore actually a lot shorter than in could otherwise be.

>>11901730
I mean that's comfy for me. I never needed a mansion

>>11901860
Exactly the same as current Starship, bellyflop through reentry and land ass-first propulsively. This method of entry, descent and landing actually scales well, unlike the old parachute method.

>>11901871
Will it still be a suicide landing?

>>11901995
Omitted in that drawing, but would still be necessary in real life.

>>11902068
not needed if they plan on the 18m version never entering an atmosphere again. Space truckin

>>11901592
Imagine if the fuel tanks were empty and you could hang out inside this massive area. Spin the ship and you can run around inside it.

>>11902068
What about ITS? Was anything revealed about those weird side protrusions? Aerodynamic control I assume

>>11902070
Wouldn't make sense, because one of the biggest advantages of 18m Starship is that it lets you refuel a 9m Starship completely in just two launches.
>>11902074
Yeah the leg fairings worked to widen the thing a bit and increase specific drag, and there were body flaps shielding the engines that would have been what steered the thing

>>11902095
Are the body flaps those black things? I can imagine them extending and creating drag, and starship would tilt

>>11902102
Wait those are landing legs WHAAAT. How tf does it steer, and what does it use to aerobrake?

>>11901592
>giant 4 storey hole in the middle of every deck
No

>>11902112
I mean even if you slipped and fell, you’re on the Moon. Wouldn’t it be slow as fuck? If you fell you could just grab on to something and swing back up

>>11902124
The moon has 90% of earths gravity

>>11901592
i still dont like the pulley meme

>>11902071
That's more or less what Skylab was. Hell, there were even wet workshop proposals using an expended shuttle external tank as a station.

>>11902130
isn't it 15%?

>>11902130
It has 16% so yeah falling down a hole wouldn’t be a big deal on your spaceship

>>11902139
>>11902130
It's 17%

>>11902141
13%

How many of you are doing backyard rocketry?

>>11902124
Starship is 50m tall, it looks like the maximim distance you can fall is just over half that so call it 30m.
In moon gravity (16.6%) that's like a 5m fall - easily enough to break an ankle or even a leg.

>>11902148
Despite being only 13% of Earth's gravity, the Moon is responsible for 50% of injuries due to falling across the entire Sol system.

>>11902148
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation_of_the_Moon
>The acceleration due to gravity on the surface of the Moon is about 1.625 m/s
about 16.6% that on Earth's surface or 0.166 ɡ.

>>11902155

>>11902152
Physics 1 problem, you start from rest and fall 30m, g = 1.62 m/^2
What is your final velocity? I don’t have the formula memorized or paper to write on

If humans living in the Pleiades system are called Pleiadeans, what are humans living in the solar system called?

>>11902155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2adl6LszcE

>>11902165
v = sqrt(2*a*d)
v = sqrt(2*1.62*30)
v = 9.859 meters-per-second

>>11902167
africans

>>11902165
What no way it’s 9.8 m/s lmao

>>11902167
Filthy solarians.

>>11901833
right, a bajillion cubic meters

>>11902152
>>11902165
>>11902174
>>11902176
So would it be equivalent to falling 1 meter on Earth? That’s not too bad. Plus it’s acceleration so you’d start off pretty slow and have time to grab something. If you did a pencil dive to the bottom it would feel like falling from the distance of a meter stick. Enough to break an ankle if you land kinda funny

>>11901921
>10° above the horizon
it will not be visible to you

>>11902187
You could alternate the holes so if you fell you’d only be falling one story. Let’s be generous and say each room is 10m tall. You’d hit the ground at 1.8m/s... very soft and you’d probably land on your feet every time.

>>11902196
>>11902187
>>11902174
what's the time to fall that distance? probably takes you a good ten seconds or something lmao, you'd totally be able to recover in time and then need to wait out the rest of the fall

>>11902206
t = sqrt(2*d/a)
t = sqrt(2*30/1.62)
t = 6.086 seconds

>>11902206
6 seconds if I did my math right.

>>11901557
I have an old Apollo coffee table book and in it it says they couldn't test the first stage when it was overcast, as the shockwaves would bounce off the clouds and shatter windows in a town 40 miles away.

>rally car racing on the moon
>car hits a "small" bump
>flies for 30 seconds before touching ground again

>>11902210
>>11902213
Six seconds sounds quick but I timed it on my phone and pretended like I was falling. It’s a long ass time. You could certainly course correct or grab onto a ladder or something

I’ve broken open a new bottle of scotch and /sfg/ has broken out into a physics class on Starship quirks. It’s a good day lads

>>11902228
Alcohol is degenerate

>>11901195
>giant fireworks

Why are we using archaic technology to travel to orbit again?

>>11902241

>>11902240
Alcohol is based.

>>11901844
Why doesn't the 18m starship have canards and fins?

>>11902241
Why are we using the sun to farm? Why do we still use our legs for walking? Why do we use an actual steering wheel instead of a touchscreen for driving?

>>11902222
I remember having a few good jumps on Duna with a KSP rover. Those were pretty thrilling.

What does /sfg/ think of the DLR's Flüssigkeitsverstärker mit Flügeln zum Zurückfliegen? Could it have been a viable way to reuse boosters?

>>11902241
What else would we use?

>>11902265
>Flüssigkeitsverstärker mit Flügeln zum Zurückfliegen
>What should we name our ship?
>Hmm, something simple like... Mr Snugglepaws stop walking on the keyboard!

>>11902151
I taped an old rocket motor from a model rocket into a duct-taped up 2-liter bottle but I'm kind of afraid to launch it as it might burn someone's house down and I'm not the CCP.

>>11902241
no fireworks on starship dude.

>>11902249
>Love me Ethanol engines
>Love me high blood alcohol content
Simple as.

>>11902279
>Simple as.
No Australians please.

>>11902262
i hit a crater rim doing 40 m/s in an open top mun rover once. Didn't touch the ground for a while after that.

>>11902271
Wait until you hear about the Breitband Bildgebung Röntgen alle Himmelsvermessung.

>>11902275
Don't know anyone with open fields to test your rocket with?

>>11901505
Maybe a foot race running around an artificial gravity station. They could run in the direction of rotation so that the faster you go, the heavier you get. That could get interesting.

guys im thinking of building a space shuttle, what do I need? i can siphon some gas off from my dad's car so ive got the liquid fuel down, I was thinking maybe gunpowder for the boosters?

>>11902299
Nah, mostly woods and homes around me, though I was thinking of maybe trying it over the lake, my only worry would be it veering off course wildly and setting a fire somewhere.
C6-5 motor, don't even know where I got it but found a pack of them. Must be from when I was a kid, I havn't had a model rocket in a long time.

Would it be possible to land something horizontally on the moon, airplane style?

>>11902353
How heavy is it? Something that small doesn't seem much of a drop hazard if it's not very dense. Also, adding some fins would help prevent it from veering too far off.

>>11902196
Just don't put holes in the floor

>>11902269
>What else would we use?

How about something that isn't archaic technology from medieval China discovered by accident while searching for some esoteric elixir of life?

Aren't there physics-based concepts available now that were not available to Newton and ancient Chinese court sorcerers?

>>11902361
>mrw my friend accidentally activates the anti-t*rran trap door

>>11902362
>Aren't there physics-based concepts available now that were not available to Newton and ancient Chinese court sorcerers?
No? That's kind of the thing about physics and chemistry, they don't really change.

>>11902362
Are you suggesting that stuff like Starship flies on “archaic fuel”? Tell me what else there is lmao. EM Drives?

>>11902365

Thank you for at least acknowledging that physics and mathematics have been stagnant for the past 150 years.

>>11902368

Do you mean to tell me, you brainlets have done NOTHING but improved on an ancient version of blackpowder (a mixture of charcoal, saltpeter and sulphur)?

Have there been no new physics-based propulsion systems developed that don't rely on ancient fireworks "technology"?

That absolute fucking state of this Chimp species...

4/10 It's alright, but you need new material.

>>11902368
Sounds like that anon wants Spindizzies.

>>11902380
>not using Dean Drives

>>11902111
>How tf does it steer
BODY FLAPS, I already told you

>>11902187
>So would it be equivalent to falling 1 meter on Earth?
No, it's the equivalent of falling for one second in earth gravity. Go drop something out of a window and time how long it takes to hit the ground; probably less than a second unless you're three or four floors up.

nasa is a masonic organization that shares tech with the isa who shares it with china

It's not going to miss the window is it?

Whats the chance Starship may not come to fruitation? 20%? 50%? 70%? 100%?

Whats the chance key components (cheap/durable) of Starship wont be doable? 20%? 50%? 70%? 100%?

>>11902407
There’s no windows on Mars

>>11901991
>https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink-2019-11
THANK YOU!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiX-cJaqYkY
>You can see the debris fly at least 100 feet before it gets too small to see
>The music
Kino

>>11902290
Jesus Christ Germany, contain your autism.

>>11902360
Couple ounces, maybe? It's just the top half of a plastic bottle and some tape, plus the weight of the motor itself. I might try making some fins from a bit of plastic though, can't hurt. Part of me is afraid it'll just topple over on launch and shoot across the ground fuck-knows-where.

>>11902413
>Whats the chance Starship may not come to fruitation?
given how Musk just keeps getting richer and doesn't seem to be wavering in his commitment to SpaceX, basically 0
>Whats the chance key components (cheap/durable) of Starship wont be doable?
all of them are doable over time, but almost none of them are doable in the timeline he's set for himself

>>11902170
Wholesome. Save up for a moon trip anons!

>>11902425
Some quick calculations show that the thing would be coming down about as fast as a fastball in baseball (although with less energy). It'll most likely not kill anyone if it landed on someone, but it'll hurt.

As for stability at launch, the thing would have a thrust to weight ratio of over twenty which is more than good enough to avoid stability problems at launch. Although, if you are concerned then you can fashion a launch rail by attaching rings to one side of the rocket and have those rings fit loosely around a vertical pole.

>>11902441
I recall using a rail like that on my old model rocket from childhood, that wouldn't be too hard to fashion. And I'm not so much worried about the thing hitting someone as I am about it maybe being on fire as it falls, and landing in some brush or something.

what is the reason for star link

>>11902376
>Do you mean to tell me, you brainlets have done NOTHING but improved on an ancient version of blackpowder (a mixture of charcoal, saltpeter and sulphur)?
considering starship doesnt use solid fuel boosters, we have actually used different technology

>>11902461
Play bideo gaems anywhere

>>11902461
the physically fastest way to transfer information is via laser through a vacuum.
Terminal -> satellite -> ... -> satellite -> terminal
much faster than ground-based wires, even fiber optics
of course it's not quite there yet... as far as I know they don't actually have the laser links in, but it's still globally accessible and at decent speeds.

>>11902458
I doubt that it would catch something on fire as the force of the air rushing around it as it falls would most likely put out any fires, but if you're worried about it then you could spray paint it in some non-blue vibrant color and track it down to the ground to put out any potential fires.

>>11902471
think such a concept could pair well with this patent?
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606&tab=PCTBIBLIO

>>11901922
>the dream
>that picture

>the reality
>oh fuck my dress keeps wrapping around my face and arms how the fuck am I supposed to play like this oh god I'm going too fast and going to crash into the crowd aaaaaaa

>>11902483
not really, starlink terminals have to be fixed and use mechanics to point themselves at a satellite, so it's not really wearable technology and doesn't enable anything like this in any tangible way.

>>11902461
to make elon money so he can colonize mars and the solar system

>>11902124
Its still enough to fuck you up, especially on Mars, besides the hole only needs to be big enough to just fit one person and a ladder, such a wide gap is a criminal waste of valuable space.

Also

>separate crash couches, not integrated into cabins to double as fold down beds

When will they learn? Also that diagram is a mess, I can't tell what half that shit is.

>>11902241
Because glowniggers won't release their black project spinning red mercury nazi bell ayy tech so big fireworks it is.

>>11902407
At this rate, that hunk of shit is going to share the launch window with starships yeeting hundreds of tonnes of colony prep materials lmao...

>>11901562
Obvious bait is obvious

>>11902518
nah, some people actually believe that shit

>>11902476
You're probably right, all I was worrried about was the tape catching as a couple strips are right around the motor itself and may well burn away during flight. Utilizing rail, fins and launching over the lake should reduce risk enough to ease my mind though.
I should just buy a new model rocket though, saw one in Hobby Lobby the other day that's supposed to carry an egg as the payload, that's kinda cool I guess. I could probably give a frog the ride of his life with one.

>>11902525
>all I was worrried about was the tape catching as a couple strips are right around the motor itself and may well burn away during flight
Maybe you can rebuild the rocket so that the motor end sticks out from the body?

>could probably give a frog the ride of his life with one.
A classic 4ASS pastime.

>>11902496
do they work or not? lol
it wouldnt have to be wearable tech to act as a giant inescapable net

>>11901716
>stood on the crane pointing and laughing

Would the first permanent/semi-permanent colony on Mars grow to be a huge city? Or would things move on from there and would largely left alone apart from tourists or historians?

If SLS exploded on the launchpad during it's first launch
How fast will Congress cut all funding for the commercial crew program/Artemis, and have the FAA bar any launches from spaceX for the near future?

>>11902530
You need a sufficiently large phased array antennae, nothing you could wear would be large enough except maybe some kind of absurd looking wide brim hat.

>>11902547
They're already trying to sell the SLS before it's launched. Artemis is all but dead.

>>11902548
or maybe that it would work in tandem with other electrical devices, like 5g towers, cellphones..

>>11902547
Why would Congress do that? That's like reacting to your pet dog shitting on the carpet by strangling your neighbor's cat.

>>11902552
Lmao they just started “talking” about private companies buying launches on SLS. Like in what world would this happen?

>>11902563
Read between the lines. That's not a fucking ride share mass produced rocket.

>>11902564
I expect AT MOST only like 7 SLS rockets that will be built. 1 will be an uncrewed testflight for Artemis I, a few more will go to the Moon, and maybe 1 or 2 will experience technical difficulty and the mission will be scrubbed because of the rocket.

>>11902560
Congress is currently trying to do that with their newest budget proposal, and SLS hasn't even failed yet

>>11902563
>they just started “talking” about private companies buying launches on SLS. Like in what world would this happen?

Kek when was this, are they fucking serious?

>>11902595
Source?

>>11902612
Even fans of SLS are skeptical and/or laughing at this

>>11901235
>China's Mars rover Tianwen-1 will land in Utopia Planitia, the same site that SpaceX is targeting for it's Mars colony
The red box area is the landing region.

>>11902628
Sites 3, 4, and 5 are the preferred sites in the red box area.

>>11902613
https://spacenews.com/house-bill-restores-funding-for-five-nasa-science-missions/

>>11902636
is that where all the villagers are?

>>11902637
>The report sharply criticized what is called an “ominous shift” away from Earth science and educational programs in favor of exploration programs
Fuck me.

>>11902636
>>11902638
No they'll be on the other side of the planet.

>>11902628
I thought they were targeting amazonis/arcadia? Though I know they have a bunch of spots picked out all over the place.

>>11902648
The other side of the planet? Can you read a map?

>>11901311
Didn‘t something fail recently because someone forgot to actually tighten a lot of bolts after putting them in?
What was it again?
Either way that was not the most appropriate foto to take.

>>11902637
There are two camps right now, one is the leftists who want to kill spaceflight to focus on climate change, the other is the people on the right who say fuck the Earth lets colonize space. We'll probably end up with a NASA budget that ends up somewhere in the middle. Who knows how it will turn out if Biden wins the presidency though. I saw earlier that he wants to focus on climate change, proposing $2 trillion for the Green New Deal. No word on his plans for space though.

>>11902659
>Who knows how it will turn out if Biden wins the presidency though
We all know how it will it turn out should that be the case.

car_screeching_hard_right_on_interstate.jpg

>>11902265
>>11902290
Stop using google translate, please.

>>11902265
Why would you verstärk Flüssigkeit? It seems plenty strong already.

>>11902659
>the leftists who want to kill spaceflight
Have you ever actually talked to a liberal or have you just heard about these vague people known as "leftitst" on /pol/?
It's not a hivemind of people that all have the same opinion. Some left extremists hate space because rockets are phallic or some dumb shit, but the vast majority are supportive. Most scientists and engineers are left-leaning.
On the right you have the crazies who think space is fake and the moon landings were a hoax. You have people on the right who are simple-minded god-fearin' flag wavin' persons who couldn't care less about anything that happens more than 20 miles from their house in any direction.
If you learn about people from 4chan your perception of people will be skewed.

>>11902628
they're targeting amazons/arcadia too

>>11902628
>China's Mars rover Tianwen-1 will land in Utopia Planitia, the same site that SpaceX is targeting for it's Mars colony
link to article?

>>11902688
>most scientists are liberal
No it’s more like half and half. Liberal scientists are just more outspoken about their politics vs the conservative ones.

>>11902688
Imagine talking to leftists.

>>11902461
Unlimited money for Mars. Then again if Tesla stock stays where it is, Elon kinda already has that.

>>11902637
If you need money, disband a few carrier groups. And stop building/devloping dumb shit like Zumwalt class.

>>11902724
Enjoy your civil war.

>>11902627

I would imagine this is for the other two lunar lander contractors to acquire SLS flights for their landers in an SLS launched mission profile.

>>11902757
Zumwalt would have been great but some committees fucked it up

>>11902811
Oh I can guarantee you the private companies are going to pick another rocket (you know which one) to launch their stuff, unless NASA tells them they HAVE to buy SLS launches

>>11902839
for some reason all the private companies are picking Vulcan and New Glenn to launch their shit

>>11902839

Getting SLS mandated would be some down the line SLS program shenanigans, or what they think and hope would happen and would try to make happen if they can.

>>11902362
>>11902376
There have been some concepts, like the Alcubierre Drive, but it's purely theoretical. The truth is, the only ways of moving in vacuum that don't require bending spacetime are: throwing something in the opposite direction of where you are going, or catching things that happen to go in the direction you need to go.

>>11902842
>>11902843
Would Bezos not want to buy SLS rides? I think it would be in his favor.
Although he obviously needs to test New Glenn(tm) asap

>>11902407
Why was the launch moved again?

>>11902853
ULA putting results over rhetoric

>>11902765
Can’t wait.

>>11902851
Why would he buy SLS rides? He has New Glenn lined up.

>>11902254
It steers with big dick energy

>>11902913
isn't that at like 50% throttle on an earlier version where? i heard they've reached 300 bars now

>>11902915
I don't recall how far back the footage dates, but it is a great gif.

>>11901592

More orbital paparazzi departing Wallop's

>>11901592
>no water column
Earth system prison bus

>>11902491
Not to mention that the Acoustics in a tiny, tightly packed room full of people would be absolute dogshit

>>11902962
Imagine fucking in space

>>11902945
when is this

>>11901991
>Starlink-0 train not only literally on top of me but Saturn and Jupiter are behind my freaking house
>MFW
I feel happy :D

>>11902992
>Omg Saturn just flew over my house

>>11902853
>>11902855

>>11902971
> nose feels stuffy
> slightly nauseated
> keep bouncing off of shit
It's still just sex with extra inconvenience.

>>11903018
What’s the Isp of queffs?

>>11901922
Been there done that

>>11902688
Fuck off commie scum

>>11903057
Given that ISP is measured in seconds and even the most impressive queff is unlikely to be even one second long, not good.
Otherwise, Id say it depends on the vaginal muscle strength.

>>11901311
no. boeing actually removed that first pin and requested another $750 million and 2 year extension to study optimized pin insertion techniques after the first insert made a sound that was .25 octaves lower than calculated then caught fire

Is it against the rules to complain about bans that happened on other boards?

>>11903151
yeah

>>11903142
Boeing caught fire after taking the pin out and requesting an extension?
All of it?

Will there be a livestream for Minotaur 4?

>>11903190
die redditor

>>11903210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrC4tR_bTqo

>>11902376
We could have nuclear thermal, nuclear electric, or nuclear pulse propulsion but...

>>11903336
Same system as the minuteman, isn't it?

>>11903336
Another classified mission, no payload info and stream cut ZZZZZZ

>extract ore from Eve and deliver it to Gilly

>>11902376
Well, LPREs are the next step up from SREs, and there are also NTREs however because they use a solid or liquid nuclear core all governments capable of making them don't, due to concerns over the possible release of nuclear material in the event of a catastrophic vehicle failure. There are also the open and closed cycle GCNTREs however the general prohibitive regulation surrounding the creation of new nuclear technology has kept them strictly drawing board technologies. There are also MPDREs, however they have very low thrust/weight ratios which make them impractical for lifting a vehicle to orbit, and they're extremely energy hungry.

>>11903336
FUCK F*SHERMEN JUST DROP THE FIRST STAGE ON THEM REEEE!

>on hold due to BOATS

Fuckin chink spy boats

>>11902540
Passing by at a relaxed speed of 5000m/s in my aerospiked 104.

fucking SPACEX boats

>A fucking sailboat
Just fucking sink it.

>>11901268

BBC GO

>>11903336
GO GO

>>11901505
>In 2020 there weren't even olympics

Tfw your rocket can't launch when the weather is a little bit boaty :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__7QidQhFI

5 minutes to launch

The boats have cleared enough, are we go?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQSijn9FBs
Zubrin's talk from 2014, pretty neat

LMAO THAT WAS INSTANT

GO NROL-129 GO
MAY YOU SPY ON CHINKS FOR 1000 YEARS

fucking srbs

it flew out so fast

what a fucking speedrun

What a BAD ASS launch vehicle, man that acceleration! Fucking love that shit!

ICBM on its way to beijing.

>So this is the power of ICBMs

i didn't even noticed the stage sep lol

>use icbm tech
>just werks
>rocket made 30 years ago
i guess someone knew what they were doing
tax money not wasted

solids haul ass! That was fast!

>>11903509
Solids intended for MAD haul ass. Not all solids are created equally.

https://twitter.com/ChrisG_NSF/status/1283390835648868353
I know that's the point of ICBM, but still, a 30 years old rocket is pretty impressive

>>11903516
>rocket was fueled on 1988-1990
what the fuck

>>11903521
Christ that fuel is as old as me, and unlike me it still works.

>>11903516
Now that's quite the info I didn't expect.

>>11903131
That's not how Isp works, but okay.

it staged so fast