/sci/ - Science & Math

How long tell first Starship flight?

Fuck the ISS

"I only want to go to space so I can fuck alien bitches" crew represent!

>>11877017
ISS is an overpriced oldspace mess, yet it is still the best thing to happen between end of Apollo and rise of SpaceX.

Underground Mars colony interior.

>>11877003
Once they put the second bolt on the SLS SRBs

>ywn see the rumored 30 something meter New Armstrong
>tfw in reality it's probably gonna be a lame starship knock off or worse, a new glenn on steroids

Sad

>>11877142
>The Chad Starship
>The Gigachad Armstrong

>>11877142
Either way, at least one other company is seriously pursuing reusable rockets rather than deny or pseudo-develop on them.

New Hazegrayart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3fAm8TGP1U

>>11877117
With some paint and warmer lighting, then that wouldn't look too bad to live in. I wonder if it's big enough to not trigger feelings of being enclosed.

>>11877114
Is there anyway to track its position from home?

>>11877160
Which one of you traveled back in time and gave a copy of KSP to the Soviets?

>>11877160
SOON

>>11877142
Imagine. If BO actually committed to a gigachode like this SpaceX would feel compelled to compete with it and we'd actually see gigaship.

Why is it taking them so long to do a hop? Do they need permission from the FAA?

>>11877198
It doesn't matter what the FAA says if the rocket doesn't get through testing before the actual hop. AFAIK FAA has eased the process but there were those rumors that the site was being re-evaluated.

Could you use space planes for interplanetary missions if you refueled?

>>11877198
>Why is it taking them so long to do a hop?

https://twitter.com/roscosmos/status/1280492456430243840

>>11877117
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

https://twitter.com/roscosmos/status/1280484110801285120

>>11877210
Yes, a spacecraft's geometry doesn't matter when moving through space.

what did the roscosmos mean by this

>>11877254
CLANKED

>nasa requested $25 billion for 2021
>house is only providing them with $22 billion
they're trying to kill artemis

>>11877140
so never

>>11877269
Kendra Horn is the new Shelby as another Boeing stooge. Since they didn't win any for Artemis lunar contracts, she wants to kill either the entire Artemis or kill the commercial aspects of it.

>>11877117
https://dragosaron.blogspot.com/2012/07/mina-unirea-salina-slanic-prahova.html

>>11877269
They're probably anticipating the usual "new president cancels previous president's space plans" that happens with nearly every administration since Kennedy.

>>11877292
>Kendra Horn is the new Shelby as another Boeing stooge
Source?

>>11877292
Once Starship makes lunar trips only 2 million, then it can be restarted.

>>11877208
Aaaaaas in, like they’re evaluating boca chica as a whole???? Oh no no no, for the love of FUCK please don’t tell me this whole spaceport could get shut down by environmental faggots just because of seagulls

>>11877315
It's Texas, not California.

>>11877298
Really a mars feeling

>>11877238
Von Braun is probably only one who wanted planes to land on Mars.

>>11877320
Texas can be pretty fucking gay. Our governor is based in Austin, which is like a rip-off Portland with limestone and hills. He does some dumb shit sometimes, and idk if he is smart enough to realize the potential of Elon

>>11877307
>Source?
https://spacenews.com/house-members-criticize-nasa-lunar-lander-awards/

She's also the chairman of space/tech/science subcommittee, congressional meetings are available on youtube as well. So check out the relevant NASA/commercial interests. You'll see her voicing skepticism on commercial space regularly.

>>11877117
Reminds me of the salt cathedral in that one salt mine

What will be name of the first Starship to land on Mars?

>>11877340
Mars lives matter.

>>11877314
Don't expect $2m cost for buyers of the service. Expect 10-20x the price. $20-$40M atleast.

>>11877340
Shelby’s Bane

Random question, but the expiration date for the ISS is coming up soon (although I suspect NASA will extend its life). But regardless... once ISS is abandoned, will it finally end the ongoing record of constant human presence in space since like 2000?

>>11877340
"Results Over Rhetoric"

>>11877298
Comfy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhIrxzneVU

Is there any plans to replace the ISS once its deemed out of date?

>>11877350
Doubtful, Isn't it gonna be retired in like 2030? Russia is just gonna make their own, same with china. Also the Axiom folks.

>>11877117
they should make the rooms like this

>>11877358
Not concrete plans, but NASA wants commercial equivalents of ISS so they don't have to maintain it, but can also use the commercial facilities to drive cost down.

>>11877361
I feel like US fucked up by letting other countries catch up to space/military tech. When we had an ungodly amount of advantage, we could've used that leverage to get more of our partnership. Instead we let is stagnate and let others catch up. Now independent/revisionist powers are challenging US in both space/military.

>>11877366
>commercial equivalents of ISS
Absolutely DISGUSTING and UNAMERICAN. Those upcoming space station companies should be NATIONALIZED before they cause a wreck in space.

>>11877340
Heart of Gold has already been chosen, Elon's a huge Douglas Adams fan

>>11877373
*AHEM* (I'll channel the new democratic party ideologues)
Giving corporates power over space is fundamentally EVIL. We need the public ownership of space, not rich billionaires. Americans can't be enslaved by corporations.

>>11877117
where my fellow future martian mushroom farmers at

>>11877340
Not sure about the cargo SS, but the first manned will be called "Heart of Gold".

>>11877397

>>11877340
either this
>>11877383
or something from the Culture.
I hope the first operational one is a Culture name. My favourite is "So Much For Subtlety"

>>11877223
what the fuck

>>11877366
Considering a Starship has more internal volume than the ISS, you can just use one of those, or a bunch connected to a central hub.
Imagine a single Starship but fuel tanks replaced with labs and stuff

>>11877406
desu he's kinda already done that with using 'Starship' already anyway

>>11877372
We're still incredibly ahead. Don't wanna get too far ahead or you estrange everyone. Nukes are just as effective as orbital rods. Pointless to what if.

The US should 100% use access to space as a diplomatic tool, we need China to have as little friends as possible. We should help nations like pic rel. Like a (military)bases for astronauts program.

>>11877117
Assuming the entrance/exits were sealed, would this be airtight? Or would you have to put up some sort of "sealant" around the walls

>>11877338
Romania is full of old salt mines that have been turned into adventure parks or trendy hostels

/pol/ did you know there are sneks in space?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe2JE3NzXOc

>>11877223
The fuck is this, did they interview Sean Spencer?

>>11877434
there's literally everything in space

>>11877438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlLq7KDU2HY

>>11877421
China is building their own ISS equivalent RIGHT NOW. The Russians are giving tech to the Chinese to catch up to the US. Europe is helping the Chinese get tech update with tech/science transfers. Italy has direct human spaceflight cooperation agreements. On top of these, the Chinese are using stolen/cloned American tech parts.

Time is not on our side, China's getting more European partners. Europe is getting semi-hostile politically with the US.

>>11877433
pic related is Salina Turda
really cool trip if you're ever in Romania

>>11877358
https://www.axiomspace.com/

>>11877223
>the last two pages
Holy fuck what the heck was CIA doing wtffffffffffffffffffff

>>11877449
that's pretty dank ngl

>>11877223
You can't just drop this shit in the thread with all the implications it brings

Imagine the Chinese seethe if the US let a Taiwanese astronaut land on the Moon with them in 2024

>>11877470
honestly the US just needs to bring an astronaut from every country China hates to the moon. It would be the ultimate middle finger to China and every dumb country that chose the China over the US for space interests.

>>11877223
>>11877442
Shieeet

>>11877477
>honestly the US just needs to bring an astronaut from every country but China to the moon
ftfy

>>11877477
The obvious is partnership with India, the next direct competitor to China's regional hegemony. But we can't because we fucked up the relations with India during Nixon era and restoration of relations have been happening very slowly and only since Bush looked to India for help with curbing the terrorists. Mind you, Pakistan is our "ally" in the region and India is "partner" at best.

>>11877430
Depends on how porous Martian rock is. Since there was water on the planet then some kind of sealant for rooms that are far from others might be necessary. For large rooms or rooms that are clustered together, then it might not be as necessary.

>>11877442
>first human sets foot on mars
>get some PTSD like flashbacks of your ancestor's memories

>>11877444
We built the ISS 20 years ago, china's lunar program is gonna happen in the early 2030s most likely. If starship and artemis both happen sometime in 2025, then we're doing better than china on an order of magnitude. The key is maintaining progression once we get boots on the moon pt.2. Which thanks to BO and SpaceX, combined with more (foreign and domestic)government interest in space, is a real possibility.

Giving nations access to space is a powerful tool for goodwill.

>>11877430
>Or would you have to put up some sort of "sealant" around the walls

Maybe heat up and sinter the walls? Or plastic sealant made from methane polymerization?

>>11877160
So, a practically sized version of Virgin Orbit that doesn't explode it's passengers?

>>11877444
The ISS an aging budget sink, anon, nothing more. China making their own hampers them more than helps them, much as Russia attempting to recreate their own moonshot or shuttle programs.

Fake concern chink shills are hilarious. Starship is going to blow their minds.

>>11877501
Pakistan is China's big ally too, they're our friends because of the war on terror. Not really because of some huge strategic reason.

>https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-india-relations
Doing much better than before.

>>11877528
>Starship is going to blow their minds.
Imagine the scramble to build reusable rockets once Starship and New Glenn fly. I wonder how many oldspace supporters would change their mind about reuse while pretending that they were never against the concept.

>>11877383
>>11877403
Does he still wanna name it that? IIRC he only chose that name back in the ITS days because it had 42 engines.

>>11877535
Pakistan is our ally before "war on terrorism." They were ally during Nixon era. We helped Pakistan get nukes by looking the other way. The strategic partnership reason was to isolate India and hurt the Russian effort in Middle East.

https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1280514775898894337
The House only allocated $628M to HLS

>>11877568
How much was requested?

>>11877568
Yeaaah RIP

>>11877545
Elon should fly the first couple Starships past the Tianhe station China is planning to send up in 2021, just to remind them who's in charge of LEO. Just the occasional near-collision from a giant rocket the size of an 18 story building to remind Chang and co. that they're a long way from the CCP up there. Fuck I can't wait till Elon gets bored of Starship and starts building increasingly large rockets just for kicks.

>>11877574
3.3 billion

>HLS contract for NASA
BO: $579 M
Dynetics: $253 M
SpaceX: 135 M

$628 M - $579 M = $49 M (not enough for other 2).

$628 M - $253 M - $135 M = $240 M extra

BO might be cut due to lack of proper funding

>>11877574
kek

>>11877589
Nah, the 1 billion request was for 2020 and they gave them 600 million.

For 2021 they requested 3.3 billion

>>11877595
this is fucking bullocks

Yeah... requested $3.3B for HLS, only got $628

Yep yep yep yep

>>11877595
It would be hilarious if NASA is forced to go SpaceX to launch both Dynetics/Starship due to budget constraints. Dynetics launching on Falcon Heavy, Starship launching on Superheavy. Old way + New way, both by same company.

>>11877603
>$628
$628M*

>>11877560
You're right, my bad.

>Other parts of the agency’s budget saw increases, particularly for programs targeted for cancellation in the budget proposal. NASA’s science programs would receive nearly $7.1 billion, almost the same as in 2020 and much higher than the $6.3 billion requested. The bill says little about funding for specific missions, but increases in Earth science and astrophysics would be consistent with restoring funding for the PACE and CLARREO Pathfinder Earth science missions and the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope, formerly WFIRST, which were again proposed for cancellation in the budget proposal.

LEL

Stay in earth, bozos

There's also a language change for Europa Clipper

>In the House legislation, Congress says NASA "shall use the Space Launch System, IF AVAILABLE, as the launch vehicles for the Jupiter Europa missions," and plan for an orbiter launch no later than 2025.
Extra SLS won't be available for 2025. Falcon Heavy is what Eric Berger is suspecting will happen.

>The bill also increases funding for the SLS, offering $2.6 billion versus the $2.26 billion requested. The bill directs NASA to spend $400 million on the Exploration Upper Stage needed for the Block 1B version of SLS, whereas the budget proposal sought to defer work on that stage to focus on the initial Block 1 version the agency deemed sufficient for the initial phase of the Artemis program.

SLS budget increased hahahah

Based fucking boing haha fuck you NASA for not giving them a chance for HLS

>>11877621
Sunk cost is a helluva drug.

>>11877625
Lol goteem

>>11877625
>pumps funds into SLS instead
based fucking boing

>>11877583
>call the Chairman, he can't unbuzz you

>>11877617
So they are going for 60s Soviet plan of launching lander, crew capsule and transfer vehicle separately?

Fuck this gay planet, fuck space, and fuck Mars

Thank you, thank you.

go china...

>>11877635
Or they could be giving more money to SLS right (more than what NASA requested) to spread out costs and make it cheaper for Dynetics to launch on an extra SLS.

just strap a falcon heavy to the SLS bro

>>11877358
The only real concrete plan for the future of the ISS comes from HR5666 which is the dem NASA authorization bill which has a ton of poor choices int it

It looks like congress is willing to keep ISS funding alive for now with for example Cruz putting a rider on the NDAA for it to be extended. So we'll see the ISS into the 2030s at the minimum which by then Artemis should be in full swing and it's role in the space environment is a bit clearer

>>11877228
Why is it covered in dildos?

>>11877649
>SLSs' role in the space environment.
To consume money we for some reason don't want to spend on good rockets?

>>11877615
so it's literally just a fuck you to Trump by targeting "his" moon landing
too bad for them SpaceX is going to make it under budget

Wasn't HLS testing supposed to start at around 2021? lol

>>11877652
/k/ was their primary contractor

>>11877254
I guess they meant they can't design a proper robot hand that can articulate to perform a correct handshake

>>11877662
I mean 135 mill would probably just about cover the cost of constructing one full Starship stack, maybe not even that, the fact that SpaceX won a slot in the HLS competition is just a publicity success, not a funding success.

>>11877223
What the fuck?

>>11877661
It's all about sustainable space flight architecture. Cheap heavy lift rockets seem like the best way to explore space until they do all the big research missions in short order. Then all of a sudden the motivation for space exploration will disappear leaving with overall less infrastructure built and less money exchanging hands. While not cheap, Apollo caused this issue too as it's expedient nature left little to explore on the moon afterwards and the US never went back again even with a rover. Meanwhile a slower more development heavy architecture would seem to be grossly inefficient is actually more sustainable as it spreads out the mission possibilities over a longer period of time and thus maintaining jobs infrastructure and economic potential over a much longer period of time.

>>11877361
Bigelow too, right? I thought they wanted to add more inflatable shit to their module and detach it when the time comes.

Reminder, 2 more hours till Boeing Starliner/Crew Dragon status update from Cathy.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

NASA livestream will be available at the time as well

>>11877679
Imagine taking so many words to say absolutely nothing.

>>11877169
You can use your Browser tracker to triangulate your cursor to this website constellation and there you go then.

https://www.astroviewer.net/iss/en/
https://www.astroviewer.net/iss/en/

>>11877661
Basic research in micro-gravity is continuing to be very fruitful and is an essential environment for US science. It can only be what it was originally planned and hoped to be as a stepping stone into deepspace through unmanned mission sending point as well as supplies.

If you want more money for rockets you can blame the ungodly graft that NASA abides by along with what is directly legislated

>>11877690
Don't worry dude one day you won't be 12 and will be able to read full paragraphs.

>>11877568
The House bill isn't the final say on this though, is it? I think I remember that the Senate either modifies the budget bill or creates their own, and then there's some kind of reconciliation process between the two chambers before final approval. I could be wrong, it's been a while since I've paid attention to federal budget nonsense.

>>11877615
>Less fund for space exploration
>More fund of earth science
Not looking good under a Biden presidency

>>11877718
You are correct

>>11877718
Yes, that's basically what happens.

>>11877708
>Microgee research is very fruitful.
>After 20 years and a trillion and a half dollars we've concluded that yes, resistance exercise is in fact good for your bones!

>>11877718
You got it largerly correct, the dems do this bullshit to try and force concessions, same with the republicans. Something more reasonable will come through

>>11877728
sure seems like 3D printing tissues, protein crystallization, continued mystery about ocular degeneration ect. are all pretty important

>>11877728
Don't forget that roses grown in mirogee smell the same as roses grown on Earth, or that baking cookies in a cheap easy-bake oven is hard in microgee! All very important sources of grant money. Results over rhetoric!

>>11877362
That would be pretty damn comfy ngl
I'd probably have the actual living space be in inflatable habs, but "outdoorsy" areas like pools can have this aesthetic.
I say inflatable habs because if there happens to be a leak in the caves, people can at least retreat into the inflatables and don pressure suits

>>11877682
Sadly, the fucking kung flu (((quarantine))) practically killed Bigelow Aerospace. Hopefully either it returns or SNC really does a serious job of reviving the inflatables IP.

>>11877766
Bigelow would've been dead regardless of rona.

>>11877210
that's the entire Starship plan, anon

>>11877524
No, it's Stratolaunch but Russian and bigger

>>11877728
>>11877734
>>11877737
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/06/bose-einstein-condensate/

>>11877117
how can proonters even compete?

>>11877684
20 mins till update

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/3980/1
>A mission equivalent to Apollo 8—call it “Artemis 8”—could be done, potentially as soon as this year, using Dragon, Falcon Heavy, and Falcon 9.
What the fuck is Zubrin on

Humans will never go past the moon. Grow up.

>>11877969
perchlorates

>>11877223
...okay

>>11877970
And your argument for that is?

>>11877988
It’s a waste of money. You waste money on stupid rockets and space exploration when you could instead feed the hungry.

>>11877969
He's not wrong

>>11877990
0/10

>>11877990
>It's another "Space has no effect on earth bro we could be feeding poors with those gibs" episode
Look up "Precision Agriculture"

>>11877990
You're trolling, but to hell with the hungry anyway

>>11877997
It ain't a 0/10 if you still have him a (you)

>>11877684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsB1ZWrGero
Stream is live, nothing yet.

jokes aside, we REALLY need to stop feeding the poor

>>11878006
5 more mins

>>11877998
Using satellites for agriculture is fine. Wasting time exploring dead rocks is immoral and the money involved should have been spent feeding the hungry

>>11878010
Yes I'm aware, but there's the link to the stream and it's live.

>>11878008
I’m confused. It seems impossible for 100% of upper income children to be obese.

>>11878008
wait
this makes no sense without the text

>>11878008
>>11877998
>>11877990
>Feed a poor person so they can have 10 kids that you also have to pay for later
Let them starve.

>>11878012
>Wasting time exploring dead rocks is immoral and the money involved should have been spent feeding the hungry
Deep space exploration has given us countless advances in miniaturized technology, as well as material science, water consumption, energy production and use. You're a clown, do some reading.

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/

>>11878019
Having lots of kids is good.

>>11877617
>2022
>SpaceX announces Starship will have a F9/FH-compatible payload adapter
>offers $10M discount for existing FH missions to convert to Starship
Make it happen, Elon.

>>11878023
If you yourself can afford it, go right ahead. If I have to pay for it through my taxes, you should really be leaving behind your reproductive organs.

>>11878023
Not for poor people who are too stupid to even keep a job, and were raised in extremely dysfunctional single parent home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXSz0bA9CiE

>>11878012
Demanding gibs from people capable of fending for themselves is immoral.

>>11877990
>NASA's FY 2020 Budget. NASA's budget in fiscal year (FY) 2020 is $22.629 billion which represents 0.48% of all U.S. government spending.
>0.48%

In contrast to:
>For Fiscal Year 2020 (FY2020), the Department of Defense's budget authority is approximately $721.5 billion ($721,531,000,000).

Go yell at neocons and zionists anon.

>PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAND BY PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAND BY

>>11878006
Live

>>11878038
We need a big military to exterminate outsiders and conquer more resources and living space for the national collective.

>>11877990
Just in the US, redirecting all of NASA's budget to the US social programs would increase the total budget of said social programs by 3%. Do you seriously think that more can be done by 3% when there's still homeless at 100%?

>>11878048
>We need a big space program to distance ourselves from outsiders and conquer more resources and living space for the national collective.

Remember that Starlink mission that didn't happen last week? I left its stream URL open, now it says 21 hours, noon EDT tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU6KogxG5BE

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-and-boeing-complete-orbital-flight-test-reviews
Relevant to the teleconference

>>11878048
>2020
>Conquering anything

>>11878076
If they fuck up OFT-2, they're fucking done.

>>11877910
I'm a productivity minded person, when creating BEC starts to yield practical value I'll be impressed. The article claims BECs are relevant to already existing technology but provides no extant examples. Certainly, had more funding been invested into larger and more efficient launch systems, it's likely that BEC could have been created in space much sooner for much less expense.

>>11878061
Not harder than to take a gander at what the 45th is supporting, man.
https://www.patrick.af.mil/About-Us/Weather/

And they have an L-1 weather forecast for Falcon 9 Starlink L-9 lined up on 8th of July.

https://www.patrick.af.mil/Portals/14/Weather/Falcon 9 Starlink-L9 L-1 Forecast- 8 Jul Launch.pdf?ver=2020-07-07-090330-453

This generation's rockets are too easily cucked by weather. Can't wait for Falcon-9 to be replaced by Starship and for New Glenn to start flying.

>>11878077
War is the natural state of mankind.

>>11878077
>not conquering space

>>11878096
That's because they're tiny and efficient instead of fuckhueg.

>>11878091
>Not harder than
Well yeah, I fucking forgot and left it open all week and it did it itself, can't get easier than that m8.
>>11878058
>homeless
Most of the """homeless""" in the US are not due to personal financial troubles, but due to drug/alcohol abuse and mental issues. Throwing money at them won't help anything.

>>11876801
Shouldn't we just de-orbit the ISS?
It's such a money sunk.
We've got better things to do now.

>>11878100
>Appealing to nature

>>11878110
that's not how NASA funding works, sadly. If they cancel the ISS they'll just get less money

>>11878126
Well, that sucks.
Can't we just pretend there was an (((accident))) and it crashed?

America
>we can't test this rocket even though it's been on this very expensive test stand for half a year because reasons

Russia
>we need an engine tested? just bolt it to the side of one of those disused soviet blocks, they're sturdy enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku9hPMbYQuY

>>11878152
America
>Let’s build a 100 ton to LEO fully reusable rocket that can take hundreds of people to the Moon or Mars or maybe even Saturn at a time.

Russia
>Hey guys sorry our Soyuz failed again. Remember the Buran? Ah that would’ve been fun to fly.
>Guys our new ISS module that has been delayed 20 years will now fly in 2021.

>>11878115
>Denying one’s nature will ever be psychologically healthy or sustainable

>>11878152
SpaceX
>Fuck it, it works in Kerbal Space Program

In light of the chance that Biden wins and BTFOs Artemis and manned space exploration in order to fund “climate science”, I’m glad to say that thank Christ SpaceX exists and are pretty independent from the influences of Congress.

>>11878179
Fighting might be in your nature but not in the nature of anyone intelligent. The world keeps getting more peaceful as it advances, so much so that the worst thing happening today is some riots where like 2 people die.

>>11877477
IIRC the concept art that lockheed martin gave NASA for their Artemis lander had a bunch of small flags from a bunch of countries on the front, with Taiwan right in the middle lmao. Honestly NASA should send up an astronaut from Hong Kong, imagine the COPE if they planet a free hong kong flag on the moon

>>11878181

>>11878183
>Fighting might be in your nature but not in the nature of anyone intelligent.

Julius Caesar confirmed dumb by basedboy anon

>>11878110
The ISS is valuable mass in space. It should be boosted to a graveyard orbit for future salvage.

leg lifting cable snapped on the most recent booster in port, oof

>>11878182
A Biden victory and subsequent Artemis cancellation/scaling down would probably give SpaceX a chance to flesh out Starship on their own and have a fully-ready vehicle either when NASA needs it or when they can do it on their own. The current Starship timetable with the Artemis lander is nice, but is somewhat of a detour from SpaceX's vision in order to win NASA's approval.

>>11878179
>>Denying one’s nature will ever be psychologically healthy or sustainable
I really hope you don't have glass, drive a car, live through childhood/childbirth, use a computer/phone, take any kind of anti-biotic etc. All those things are "Denying one's nature"
Anyone who ever appeals to nature to justify anything is full of shit, and room temp IQ.

>>11878196
Hmmm?

>>11878207
>All those things are "Denying one's nature"

No they aren’t lol

>>11878179
True, letting more then 50% women live through childbirth isn't sustainable, we need to get those numbers way up back to the way nature intended.

>>11878211
Yeah they are. Human's don't naturally make micro-processors, so it must be psychologically unhealthy and unsustainable right????

Perseverance has a helicopter going with it. Though for some reason they didnt make it nuclear powered also.

Why haven't we sent a lander to the poles? Where the greatest amount of ice is.

>>11878183
>the worst thing happening today is some riots where like 2 people die

>>11878218
>Why haven't we sent a lander to the poles?
Too useful. Space flight after Apollo is all about doing as little as possible while making it seem like alot is being done.

>>11878218
>Why haven’t we sent a lander to the poles

Well if you want to make it last a while, it’ll be expensive. Solar doesn’t work too well over a longer period of time (Phoenix landed “near the poles” and only like like six months). So you need an RTG, which is pretty expensive. Or you can use batteries which are way cheaper but limit your vehicle to a few days of operation.

That being said it’s pretty strange that the poles were neglected. I mean for the cost of Perseverence we could’ve sent three InSights to Mars. Three separate landers. For the cost of one rover. No idea why they didn’t do that instead.

Also NASA is pretty shit with money. They’re spending $100 Million on a mission to kamikaze an Asteroid called DART in order to test asteroid deflection skills. But we already have tested deflection on the Deep Impact mission.

So in the end, it’s expensive to send a lander to Mars’ poles that lasts longer than two weeks, but also NASA is retarded

>>11878195
>valuable
Is it?

>>11878240
It gave us SpaceX didn’t it? It’s also giving them a steady stream of cash.

>>11878243
Yeah, so now it must go.
What the hell are we doing sending humans to LEO anyways?

I still miss Cassini bros ;_;

>>11878249
It’s a political thing. Sending humans to anywhere but LEO is expensive and no politician with a -D attached wants to do so. However cancelling Space altogether would be super unpopular. So a compromise is to just stagnate space exploration. And thus, we have the ISS

>>11878250
Cassini doesn't miss you.

>>11878250

>>11878250
Cassini did more than most missions, and then took a suicide dive into Saturn to protect contaminating any moons. Truly a CHAD

>>11878240
It's 400+ tons of potentially usable components, pressure vessels, and raw materials that are already in space. Really, we shouldn't deorbit anything unless absolutely necessary. We should be building an artificial rubble pile asteroid in MEO somewhere, out of decommissioned satellites and stations.

>>11878255
>Sending humans to anywhere but LEO is expensive
As it stands, Sending humans to LEO is fucking expensive, because we have to maintain the mamoth station's systems up there. It was never about launch cost.

>>11878228
We could send another curiosity/perseverance to the north pole. With a sterile up. Find icy soil or straight up ice. Scoop it up and heat it. Then do both a gas chromatograph and visual microscope examination of liquid Martian water.

>>11878267
>It was never about launch cost.
Unless you're riding with Boeing.

>>11876801
reminder that the previous thread is still up EIGHT HOURS LATER, while this thread is already 70% to bump limit
this is why oldfags bitch at the faggots who want to start new threads on page 5 and shit

>>11878266
It's not worth it.
Every science we need to do in zero-g, we can do oin a trip to Mars.

>>11878275
and it just fell over

>>11878274
You didn't get it.
Every basedouz we send up there is nothing compared to maintenance costs.

I think the geologists purposefully got the mole on InSight “stuck” just so they could petition to go there themselves and do the field work lmao

>>11878275
if it's autosaging who gives a shit

>>11878217
Humans naturally want to make better tools to improve their situation and understanding of the world. This is a retarded take. His argument is about how humans tend to operate not an argument against technology.

>>11878287
this is sfg, we don't like to litter, one thread must be deorbited at about the same time the next one is launched.

>>11878278
I'm not talking about preserving it as an in use station, I'm talking about sending it to the equivalent of an orbital scrapyard. Do you have a mental dysfunction?
Deorbiting mass is wasteful.

>>11878299
Fuck that shit. We will cover the skies

>>11878301
Then it would just be redundant?
I mean, why?
If you've already got your zero-G habitats all over the place?

>>11877969
He's correct.

>>11878311
Is Zubrin at it again?
Fuck, I hope humans walk on mars before he dead. Even Sub-human Chinese.

Why is twitter full of estrogenmales

>>11878302
kessler syndrome is srs business

>>11878317
I don't get it, and I have 130 IQ.

>>11878308
>Then it would just be redundant? I mean, why?
Do you not fucking understand what recycling is?
>If you've already got your zero-G habitats all over the place?
Which ones? Where?

>>11878217
>Yeah they are. Human's don't naturally make micro-processors, so it must be psychologically unhealthy and unsustainable right????

You’re retarded for interpreting a claim about human psychology to be referring to technology, something humans naturally create.

>>11878323
Bunch of students are at a rally for Trump. Zubrin (libertarian?) disapproves and calls it
>child abuse
Scott Manley (lefty nevertrumper) likes this comment bc orange man bad

>>11878325
>recycling
It's a few modules that smell like piss strapped together.
If you're gonna recover anything from it, it would be the solar panels.
>zero-g habitats.
Well, if we're throwing people to the Moon and Mars, you want to keep them involved during the trip.

>>11878317
>Obama cuts human spaceflight
Space enthusiasts praise him

>Trump pushes a return to the moon, missions to Mars
EVERY space personality aside from a few Apollo astronauts and Elon end up criticizing himself.

>>11878330
I see.
Did Scott think about what it meant for Spaceflight if Biden was president?

>>11878336
I’m sure if Biden cancelled Artemis Scott would make a video about how it’s a good thing.

>>11878334
Where is Harrison Schmitt when we need him. Apollo geologist, diehard republican... I know he’s old but he has no social media presence whatsoever. I wish he would come out of his den and deliver red pills to everyone

>>11878336
Scott only thinks about soi and social justice.

>>11878336
I don’t think they care lmao. Reddit and Scott Manley would still defend it.

>>11878337
Doubt it. He'd be disappointed given that he was disappointed that SLS got delayed despite criticizing it.

>>11878332
It's hundreds of tons of modules, struts, and electronics. At the absolute least it could be melted down for raw metals. Defunct satellites and stations are the highest-purity ores you could ever mine in space.

>>11878347
Yeah but in our world criticizing Biden = praising Trump and Scott would never do that. Literal NPC behavior.

>>11877615
>Earth science

>>11878349
Still not worth it.
We can do the same while while going to other celestial bodies.
In fact we could have done it 20 years ago at least.

>>11878356
I know it's off-topic, but what happened to having nuances in opinion? It seems like everything must be "us vs them", no discussion.

>>11878327
>>11878291
>technology, something humans naturally create.
>Humans naturally want to make better tools to improve their situation
Humans naturally create spears and fires, not microprocessors. If you are going to appeal to nature, you need to somehow defend all the natural ways you live your life

>>11878349
Things have changed.
I understand it's very recent.
If I was Trump, I'd want a trip around the moon by christmas on a crew dragon.
It's certainly capable, and a Falcon Heavy will do.

>>11878382
Don't be too rough.
Curiosity is a thing.
In fact we're all standing here wondering wtf happens when we die.
That drives people.

>>11878385
>If I was Trump, I'd want a trip around the moon by christmas on a crew dragon.
That would be neat to see. Imagine the quality views of the live-stream cultivating a renewed interest in going back to the moon.

>>11878380
Society is fracturing into two camps, and random bullshit issues get politicized, usually by Trump doing or saying something innocuous and the opposition swearing holy war against it to avoid admitting he's right about anything. See Hydroxychloroquine.

>>11878397
I know man.
Those Apollo footage look unreal.
And it's actually normal that it looks that way.
People need a refresher.

sigh... Europa Clipper still can't shake the launch on SLS requirement.

>>11878382
You're just a fucking retard. We went from Stone spears to spears with steal heads. We built machines to do work for us. The microprocessor is a tool and it was used by the tools we made to be one of the most complicated tool we ever conceived of and also those tools were made by other tools. We are a tool making species with a understanding of the world around us thus we are naturally able to make more complex tools as time goes on.

>>11878406
Yeah, that sucks.
In the end, everybody loses.
I bet you if Biden is president, you can kiss your Moon and Mars program goodbye.

>>11877328
>>11877397
>>11877117
that's a salt mine. Underground mars colonies won't look like that because it's more difficult to mine rock than it is salt. Stay salty!

>>11878420
Why not just print the tunnels?

>>11878422
Fellas, has science gone too far?

>>11878420
You know you could just mine salt on Mars right

>>11878422
print the planet but in leo

IT RISES

Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

>>11878382
>Some technology isn’t natural because I say so

SOON

>>11878441
Does Mars even have sal? How does salt form?

>>11878330
Scott is based despite being liberal, he is not spiteful sjw.

>>11878420
if only there was some kind of company, that owned stuff like boring machines

>>11878456
maybe their ancient seas were salty like ours are

>>11878462
Hm and electric cars, because there is no oil on Mars...

>>11878456
1 take Sodium and Chlorine
2 jam it in
3 ????
4 Profit

>>11878467
we do not know if there is no oil on mars
we suspect that there might be
breaking news: the military has just authorized an invasion of mars

>>11878467
There may be oil there. We dunno.

>>11878413
>>11878449
Do you really think the human brain evolved to deal with instantaneous global scale communication in less then 100 years? How can you on one hand argue that human's natural state is brute war and violence, but on the other argue the humanity's "natural state" has kept in lock step with capabilities that far exceed our ancestors wildest dreams? The amount of cognitive dissonance is insane, and a great example of why you should ignore any retard peddling "human nature" or "natural order" as their justification for anything.

>>11878456
From Zubrin's tears.

>>11878478
of course, we must bring FREEDOM to Mars :DD

>>11878494
Kek

>>11878446
Oh, yeah, the 27 engine variant, when the single engine version still explodes.

>>11878496
why is muh sky powar guy in the pic?

>>11878502
the last one didn't explode, it got blown up
totally different

>>11878456
Yes mars has big ol' salt deposits, it shouldn't be a surprise as it was once dominated by oceans

>>11878491
I for one didn't argue that. I just called you out on conflating How humans operate vs no technology. There is a human nature and some systems work better then others due to our nature. I'm not saying war is good but humans are not creatures you can mold to fit into any system. There is a way humans operate and that discussion has no bearing on tool making.

>>11878502
The entire future of SpaceX relies on Starship working. Why would they not build infrastructure in advance?

>>11878508
He invented remote controlled vehicles.

>>11878502
Failures at this point are pretty well spread between tank overpressure, ground equipment shitting the bed, and intentional tests to failure. The engines have never exploded in use and are going through parallel development.

>>11878496
What event was that image of Trump taken at?

>>11877196
We'll see gigaship eventually anon, maybe in a decade or so.

>>11878529
War is great. History would be horribly boring without conflict.

>>11878549
I quite like peace. If you love war so much, I hear the taliban is still hiring.

>>11878549
>>11878563
War is a tool. Nothing more. You should use war to achieve a political end that cant be achieved otherwise and sometimes that end is peace.

>A nuclear variant known as the UR-700m was also designed that would have a payload capacity of 750 t (1,650,000 lb) to LEO and be used to assemble the 1400 t (3,000,000 lb) MK-700 spacecraft in earth orbit in 2 launches.
thicc

>>11878563
That's silly, it's just as easy to make the opposite argument. If you hate war so much you should just surrender to anyone who wants your land, body, money, etc.

>>11878006
good conference call

>>11878563
Peace breeds weak, sheeplike men. Perhaps wealthy in material goods but impoverished in terms of virtue.
One day, perhaps in a hundred, two hundred, or five hundred years, the drums of war will be heard in the interplanetary void.

>>11878585
No, it's just that I don't see a reason to go to war right now. You need to make a reason to go to war. Peace can be accomplished by doing nothing.

>>11878608
>You need to make a reason to go to war

I know how to claim provinces in EU4

*tipping intensifies*
m'lady

>>11878604
>Peace breeds weak, sheeplike men.
Imagine actually thinking this.

>>11878604

>>11878637
People who like marvel movies and harry potter.

>>11878604
Alright Evola, if you need conflict join a team sport or do wrestling.

You wanna see the virtue of war? Talk to my grandma about her dad who died when she was 2 in the red army. Watch her cry about it. Then realize you want that millions of times over. War is cool, unless you're in it.

>>11878446
New building for building the heavy?

>>11878645
I feel more bad for her dad then her.

>>11878642
That's not a fact anon

>>11878645
>the real victims of war are the women who survive

>>11878651
Have you seen them?

>>11878650
well yeah, but he's already dead.

>>11878651
>>11878654
Look all I'm saying they be dead and we wouldn't have to deal with them if we conscripted them

>>11878654
You know you can't just point to two different events and just assume they are related right?

>>11877990
>feeding starving niggers will surely save humanity!

>>11878645
A glorious death in battle, I would hope. My most distant known ancestor fought at Agincourt, and doubtless many men before him raided, waged war, pillaged and destroyed far into the hazy past before history.

>>11877994
>>11878311
No, it's a fucking stupid idea when SpaceX is already developing not only Starship, but a dedicated lunar version of it. Dragon 2 is a dead-end for SpaceX, same as FH. They won't be spending any additional resources on modifications for it.

>>11878455
I hope they have a proper plan for the thrust structure of super heavy.

>>11878665
They’re humans too

>>11878687
Not if you ask me.

>>11878679
Nope, he was from one of the SSRs, not much love for the Soviets.

Time for spaceflight aside, which planet would be the easiest to terraform?

>>11877721
>"Mr. President, Sir, please sign here to launch for the moon next week with all the stuff we have readied under the past president."
>"No, I cannot condone this heineous waste of money. Instead I‘ll buy 30 more SLS to exclusively launch earth science sattelites."

>>11878698
TRAPPIST -1C if it still has water
An ozone layer would shield the surface from any UV rays from TRAPPIST

>>11878687
Bruh, in nature we accept that once an animal population grows too large, it self-corrects via famine.

The right thing to do would be the sterilise all niggers to spare them that suffering.

>>11878708
>Bruh, in nature we accept that once an animal population grows too large, it self-corrects via famine.
>in nature
does this look like nature to you

>>11877568
>no money for moon landings
>no money for gateway
>but let‘s keep SLS well-funded so we can use them as the world‘s largest paperweights

>>11878718
Artemis is 100% dead, I'm convinced

>>11878708
>Bruh, in nature we accept that once an animal population grows too large, it self-corrects via famine

Exceeding carrying capacity isn’t the issue. We have more than enough agricultural output.

>>11878737
Yeah, so we feed them and they keep making more babies until they match the agricultural output.

Then what happens?

Think of how many probes and rovers and space telescopes we could have launched by now. Instead we have SLS

>>11878717
how many starving niggers are in this image

The Rocket is exactly 18 tons.
The heaviest payload to orbit this thing can lug weighs 267 kilos

>>11878737
Who's going to pay for that? There are only so much white people you can convince or force to share their earnings with worthless freeloaders

>>11878742
You give them your food you racist, sexist, homophobic shitlord!
Not really, it’s just the doublethink of humanitarianism and naturalism being taught speaking

>>11878541
Well, yeah.
It just looks like Steel wasn't as ez as it sounded at first.

>>11878751
It's the opposite, smoothy. The only reason they can churn through test articles so rapidly and cheaply is because of steel. Same reason SLS has had one(1) pressure test in ten or whatever years of development.

>>11878754
Or, you know, they'd have sn1 on Carbon fiber flying by now.

>>11878742
>Then what happens?

Nothing, because their birth rates will have flattened.

>>11878446
I'M RISING

>>11878748
You are evil and uncaring and mean

>>11878760
if you seriously believe this I don't need to say anything because it's self evident you are a fucking retard

>>11878773
Engines ar fine.
Difficulties are from tanks blowing up.
Therefore this shit would be flying if it wasn't for the retarded switch to steel.

What would SpaceX accomplish if given NASAs budget?
What about the USAs military budget? (for this, imagine the military still gets their budget and the money just appears)

>>11878781
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Making giant CF tanks hold these decent pressure at cryogenic temperatures is so much more difficult than doing so with steel it's incomparable, and the vessels themselves would be much more expensive to produce at a much slower rate. And since those tanks would, objectively, have worse inherent performance at cryogenic temperatures, they would only require more testing. The only reason steel seems 'difficult' to you is that they're going through test articles rapidly, which is actually a huge benefit of steel you would not see with CF.

>>11878798
Don't bother replying, Fibretards are beyond reason.

>>11878813
Why doesn't he just proont the carbon fiber

proonters made of carbon fiber when?

Am I dumb for not knowing Apollo 6 was a partial failure? I thought the Saturn V had no issues outside of the Apollo 12 lightning strike problems.

>>11878745
So it's a white electron? Cute!
I'm also starting relatively light, the RVL-A-01 "Skybolt" carries 22 tons to LKO, with some possible room for uprating if I expand the payload fairing.

>>11878798
This, the only way it could even possibly work is to use the same method the X-33 team was forced to employ, and create the tank with a very thin metal inner bulkhead and an outer shell composed of CF overwrap. An extremely difficult and time consuming process which would produce an extraordinarily more expensive, weaker tank, at a much slower rate.

>>11878766
>REEEEEEE MY FEELINGS
Begone, snowflake.

>>11878813
Indeed

>>11877501
fuck pajeets, they don't deserve it. Just bring up a couple JAXA frens with big old rising sun patches on their uniform to make the chinks seethe.

>>11878185
yep, I'm thinking based

>>11877331
Texas has been trying to coax tesla into building a gigafactory here for ages, it's not in the interest of the state to piss Elon off.

>>11878886
What's in that fuckhuge box it pooped on the surface?

>>11878717
>does this look like nature to you
What a brainlet statement.

Nature encompasses everything. Since we exist because of nature and within nature, then buildings are a part of nature, too.

Or would you say that beavers building dams are unnatural? Birds making nests? Apes using stones to kill one and another?

>>11878896
a washing machine

>>11877461
Looks like something out of a dream

>>11878896
Presumably its some kind of generic universal cargo module that can hold racks of experiments, supplies and tools.

>>11878764
>their birth rates will have flattened
Good one. Enjoy the 2030's and the various Mars missions, because it's gonna get a whole lot worse very rapidly after 2050ish. We probably won't have enough time to reach the outer solar system before the world order begins to break down and choke on the billions of pajeets and africans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7cxWmezr0w BC flyover

>https://www.boringcompany.com/competition

Not exactly spaceflight, but BoringCompany (spacex related) is hosting a competition spring ~2021. The competition is to build the fastest tunneling machine, the specs required is 30 meter diameter tunnel. Fastest/most accurate/final test with autonomous Tesla car wins the competition.

>>11878968
>30 meter
length. .5 meter diameter.
30 meters would be insane for a competition lmao, are there even tunnelers that big to begin with?

>>11878968
30m length, 0.5m diameter

>>11878974
>>11878976
kek

>>11878924
Okay racist.

>>11878968
>30 meter diameter
For comparison, this is a 17.5 meter diameter tunnel.

>>11878986
ATOMIC DRILL WHEN?

>>11878986
Tunnels and boring machines are very interesting. Such nice pieces of engineering.

>>11878992
Oни yжe здecь, тoвapищ.

>>11878992
>use nuclear tipped drill to make hundreds of kilometres of martian habitats
>send colonists in
>haha yeah we forgot to ship the geiger counters out but don't worry it's perfectly safe haha

>>11878764
Birth rates only flatten in areas with developed infrastructure and food security. Places that rely on handouts are inherently instable and susceptible to risk factors that lead to overbreeding in the first place.

>>11879004
Uranium decays so slowly on its own that it can be ignored.

New road closures indicate a static fire on the 10th and a 150m hop on the 13th.

>>11879028
Sure, the radioactive rock slag walls full of fresh and fun isotopes probably not so much.

>>11879030
Hopes/dreams man. We've been waiting for proper hop for a while now.

>>11878682
The only additional development I see here would be a separate kick stage that would be entirely funded by NASA. Zubrin isn't suggesting a vanity project for Spacex to undertake by themselves, he's suggesting one that the government would operate as a way to bolster public confidence in Artemis and nearly guarantee its continuation even if there's an administration change. Do you just have reading comprehension problems?

>>11879004
You joke, but that was a seriously studied concept. I can't find the image that describes it, but it was an underground lunar colony concept where a small atomic bomb is detonated deep underground and an inflatable would be deployed in the void of vaporized rock.

Some smoothbrains on /pol/ think they are going to launch a satellite. It's pathetic. Enjoy.
>>>/pol/266856728

>>11879041
Let them do it as long as they're not going to do anything illegal with it. The more the merrier.

>>11879041
How hard will you seethe when /pol/ launches a swastika satellite on starship?

>>11879034
Pretty sure he meant a nuclear powered drill, not some kind of nuclear plasma killfucker drill that nukes its way through the rock

>>11879041
Hovering over the crosslink for a second I was shocked this could be my sketch of Apollo Chan, which I won't post because I now know it was a mistake. But wow don't know if I could have coped with that. Not /pol/...

>>11879055
>not some kind of nuclear plasma killfucker drill that nukes its way through the rock

That's exactly what I thought he meant

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterrene

>>11878704
Literally what democrats want, not even joking

>>11878896
It’s a fridge for beer

>>11878886
This thing is so fucking cool. NASA should INVEST. Also yeah peep the Taiwan flag

>>11879071
>Hey Bob can you go grab me a beer from the moon fridge?
>Sure Doug let me just suit up
>Opens moon fridge, inside depressurises, beer bottles explode
>BOB YOU ARE MEANT TO BRING THE FRIDGE INSIDE THE LANDER FIRST WHAT ARE YOU DOING THAT WAS OUR WHOLE STASH

>>11879041
This is... Wow. A little sad. Do they know anything? Anything at all? Any common sense?

>>11879084
Oh no, eh!

>>11879084
That's why we require have bulk beer kegs

>>11878704
Good thing SpaceX exists.

>>11878986
Oh hey, I've driven through that.

>>11879086
Smallsats are rapidly approaching crowdfunding levels, it's not really that farfetched.

>>11879068
Or he sends them anyways. Though he orders them to put a woman of color on the moon first. Then all the White House and NASA press is about that. Bob and Doug are out back doing science and no press at all.

>>11879086
Let me put it this way, the guy "heading it up" said he wants to get into contact with the CIA so they can launch the /pol/ sat on the Space Shuttle. And he was being dead serious. And everyone in the thread is onboard.

>>11879122
>And everyone in the thread is onboard.

They aren't, stop lying you kike. I bet you're that retarded leafposter in the thread.

>>11878982
>expressing concern about third world unga bunga overpopulation is racist now
Oh I get it, climate change is only bad when white goyim do it amirite?

>>11879062
whats the name of this channel again? i remember it was some russian guy making ads

>>11879142
Overpopulation isn’t real and neither is climate change.

imagine the smell

>>11879153
>overpopulation isn't real

Cool, enjoy finding more arable land for the billions of extra niggers even though we are pretty much maxed out and ruining the land we have.

hydrogen peroxide is just spicy water, prove me wrong

>>11879168
>even though we are pretty much maxed out
Not really. Earth can support a trillion more humans with bit of optimizations of resource usage. Overpopulation really is a meme. What's not a meme is wasteful consumption. Aka the iPhone you're holding.

>>11879172
>Earth can support a trillion more humans with bit of optimizations of resource usage

Imagine believing this, enjoy the coming water wars.

>>11878880
iirc the next mission will have a based JAXAnaut

>>11879182
Yeah, that's just shitty management, disguised as population issue.

>>11879205
All the funding in the world and NASA won't give people working with astronauts proper respirators to stop muh deadly flu holocaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-b6ko4wbZ0
*dolphin sex noises*

>>11879165
Smells like failure and burning tax dollars.

>>11879211
That money went to funding the Hall of Cost memorial Shelby keeps shilling

>>11879210
Yeah ok bro if you say so.

>>11879030
>a week until hop
what's the closest we've come to a scheduled hop before it went boom?

>>11879041
Aren't they just trying to rent time on a sat for a current hi-res photo of the dam? They were raising cash last night with a goal of $1800 apparently.

>>11879090
>vacuum-proof beer kegs that also work in zero g
sounds like a great business opportunity desu

Theoretically if we all got together and wrote a letter is there SOME WAY we could get it to Jim or Elon. I miss the 90's when you could form a club and mail in a letter to get your word across. Now it's just email and it most likely goes straight to spam.

>>11879234
You don't have to believe me. You just have to ask yourself if you truly believe what you're saying. Do you really believe we are anywhere close to efficiently management of resources and consumption? If you think we live in a perfectly managed world where all the resources are distributed efficiently, then you're living in a dream world.

>>11879264
Cool alright well when you can create a perfectly managed world where all the resources are distributed efficiently let us know. In the meantime crops require irrigation and many other industries require bulk amounts of water sources from rapidly depleting underground reservoirs.

>>11879240
Thet shelled out for a high res photo but it was a gook company and apparently they need 1-4 weeks to get permission from China to release the photo (I'm sure you can guess what the answer will be), even though they don't operate in china. They are looking into alternate earth observing options at the moment who hopefully won't cuck to chinks.

>>11879240
Why do they want a picture of that dam?

assuming a circular orbit, how does the time spent in the shadow of planet change with increasing altitude

post your peaceful scientific earth observation satellites

>>11879270
Just because something isn't possible doesn't mean the other thing is right. The problem of oversumption and inefficient resource management still exist. Instead of claiming its a "population issue" you should reassess and claim its a "inefficiency issue." Then find a solution from that reassessment.

>>11879283
Probably for some kind of "gotcha" evidence to counter official reports from the Chinese government

>>11879261
If you email someone important but not famous about their work, genuinely curious, there is a good chance they will answer.