/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11873195
It's not just STEM. Academics in general are more left leaning. They're associated with a university, it's a place for progressivism has been in place for decades.

>>11873195
I have a pet theory about that. In order to be a scientist, or at least a good one you have to be left leaning and here's why. Liberals would be more associated with openness and diversity and open borders, whereas a conservative would be against all of those. You need open borders, and I don't mean that just in a literal sense where you need more diverse people from all over the world with different viewpoints to challenge yours. I also mean internally you have to be open to new ideas, crossing from different worldviews, whereas the more conservative you are the more you would be against that. The best thing would be to find a balance between those, and adopt different positions depending on what you're dealing with. You would adopt a liberal mindset towards science, but a more conservative if you were say dealing with situation that requires it, such as the migrant crisis. Of course this is too much for most people so they just settle into one mindset and stick to it in very facet of their lives

>>11873216
See this is the issue. I am a undergrad in STEM and want to be an academic but I am profoundly racist.

>>11873195
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

>>11873236
>but I am profoundly racist.
I am not going to say personally what I think of this, but it indicates a certain rigidity of the mind. In order to be succeptible to new ideas, you need a slightly less rigid and a more open mind. Of course with it comes a certain inherent risk as you can be swayed towards a viewpoint you wouldn't normally care for. There's also an inherent risk of opening your mind too much which can bring about a host of mental issues that liberals seem to have. it's all about finding the right balance and In the words of the immortal Carl Sagan: "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out"

>>11873236
Were you born racist or did you use your observational skills and analyse the data to become racist based on what you saw and read?

Firstly, there's a selection bias. Leftism is defense of the system, and academia is a means of acquiring knowledge and status within the system (and, more importantly, is a form of acquiring, training, and placing elites for the system). So, obviously, only Leftist professors actually go anywhere. This is particularly notable at places like Harvard and Yale which, being THE universities for the system, are obviously filled with system loyalists, AKA Leftists.

Secondly, because academia has transitioned from creating theories and knowledge to defending a pre-existing theory and set of knowledge (Liberalism, capital L), you're going to select out people who are whacky jackasses that come up with strange new theories and ideas. Instead, you'll get people who just want to expand on some minor issue without challenging the status quo in return for money, power, and security. This is why there are no more Evolas and Marxs, as to be an academic you have to accept Whig History, which is Liberalism's Grand Narrative, and if you posit anything else you're just not allowed in.

>>11873267
I was not born racist I dont think. My parents also didnt teach it to me. As I grew up I formed the opinion myself. From experience with non whites in the real world and on reading more into it.

>>11873272
Finally, there's a sort of Libertarian-Cowardice common in STEM, where people think they can just retreat into their own interests and be left alone. This is completely wrong, because Liberalism demands optimum economic activity be extracted from literally everyone on the planet (Liberalism's weak friend-enemy distinction necessitates that EVERYONE be made a Liberal, or die). The Libertarian assumes that everyone is rational and so the Liberals will just see that they're being irrational and stop, but the obvious problem is that irrational people are irrational, which is why Quantum Mechanics says that the federal government should force all boys to sexually transition to women, and you're literally a racist if you disagree.

Liberalism will hunt you do and force you to hold the Right Opinions. So, they cuck out, and sign the diversity waivers, because they don't want to lose their jobs (Academia's incredible pettiness and spitefulness is a result of the incredibly low-stakes involved).

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>>11873283
Being racist does not inherently say anything about your mental rigidity. Just hide your powerlevel when talking to the very liberal HR staff.

>>11873294
>hide your powerlevel
kek

>>11873195
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>>11873195
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>>11873195
This isn't true. Unlike the humanities, STEM is more politically diverse

>>11873216
>>11873265
being open to gay interracial sex in no way makes one a better metallurgist, you reddit pseud
absolutely insufferable

real reason:
the US government and academia in general was well known in the past for finding, nourishing, and exploiting genetic capital
much of this genetic capital was found in wholesome rural conservative middle america
the US government and academia have decided that scouring rural america for genetic capital is no longer worthwhile and has decided to scour its inner cities filled with 2nd and 3rd generation third world immigrants
not once did an Astronaut visit any of my schools, but they did visit the schools in the more diverse areas of town
we got visits from the military and the occasional paid motivational speaker
if you want a glaringly obvious example of this, watch some old apollo mission footage and listen to what people sound like
half of them sound like stereotypical texas high school football coaches.
america has given up on itself and decided its cheaper to bleed the third world dry of its talented tenth all because they'll work for 30% less

>>11873272
>Leftism is defense of the system
Conservatism is the defense of the system in the US, and has been since william f buckley, if not before, moreover 'leftists' are marginalized politically in the US.
No one with any power gives a flying fuck what Chomsky thinks. Joe Biden is a shameless empty suit centrist, is the democratic nominee and the democratic base loves it. Sanders is widely popular as an individual congressman but can't consistently get majorites in primaries in a party he doesn't even belong to (he sought out the dem nominee b/c an actual leftist party has no viable path). The 'left' in the US isn't a real threat, it's a boogyman created by right wingers to rile up their moronic base.
what a garbage ass post, you should be embarrassed.

Higher IQ always leads to leftism/progressivism.

>>11873331
Look into what "Liberalism" is. William F. Buckley Jr. was a Liberal. Again, note the big L.

The US is a Liberal regime, it always has been, conservatives (little c) just argue that Liberalism should be advanced at a more comfortable pace.

>>11873337
Yeah, which is why the high IQ Chinese are... becoming increasingly Illiberal... and the high IQ Ashkenazi are... running an Illiberal ethnostate...

Shit.

>>11873195
Most of them are mediocres, but go-t doesn't know shit in science, so it will pay them anyway.

>>11873195
What do you want to see, specifically? By "right" do you mean you'd like to see more academics openly hostile to queer and gender non-conforming people and non-whites? More individualism and neoliberalism?

And by "left" do you mean collective economics? Social liberties?

Stop using lazy and undefined terms if you want to talk about STEM at all.

>>11873337
Literally the opposite, conservatives are better educated and leftoids suffer exponentially more from mental disorders which is obvious on its face alone, they don't even know what their gender is which should have been a big red flag if you aren't retarded as well

>>11873367
Well for example If I say I dont support LGBT I will get shunned and never get a job.

>>11873370
>conservatives are better educated
wut

>>11873373
How on earth is that specific to STEM?

>>11873216
Exactly, you need "openness" to be a liberal, such as opening your asshole to experience each new sensation when you put things inside of it.

>>11873267
My dad used to scream NIGGER in the car while driving me to school in the morning whenever a black driver would cut him off, and I guess I kind of just picked up where he left off.

>>11873373
Are jews the homos or are gays the false flag?

>>11873391
It's weird how so many guys think their dad is the baseline/default for society, and not a sociopath/narcissist/retard. I think when you're about the age your parents were when you were a kid, and you compare yourself to them, you really lose the sense that they were any kind of authority figure. It's interesting.

Anyway, your dad probably had baggage.

>>11873388
Hey, there's a reason one of the greatest mathematicians ever was gay. If it works don't mess with it.

>>11873397
Well, he probably learned it from his dad, who in turn learned it from his dad, and so on.
This thing could go back hundreds, possibly thousands, of years.
At that point, you aren't just talking about a fair dollop of casual racism, you are talking tradition, you are talking culture.
You are talking about a decision.
Do I follow in the footsteps of my ancestors, who, through all their happiness and sorrows, their trials and tribulations, the grand summation of all the energy and collected wisdom of their lives, in succession, finally produced me?
Or do I listen to some lisping, heteroflexible anon on the chans telling me that they were retards?
I think I'll go with my ancestors.

>>11873459
That was the cringiest shit I've read in a while.

>>11873462
It made me laugh.

>>11873462
That was the cringiest shit I've read in a while.

>>11873195
>Why are STEM academics seemingly more left leaning?

Sign of the times. Just wait until China dominates the STEM field and see how 'left' leaning your academics are.

>>11873195
because reality has a well known liberal bias

>>11873610
cope

>>11873195
They're really not, it's just that the left leaning ones are more vocal about their political beliefs because the right leaning ones know that being openly conservative in academia is the fastest way to end up in the unemployment line.

>>11873397
Interesting, tell me more about your terrible relationship with your father, anon

>>11873195
Because as ivory tower employees who see a guaranteed salary funded by the state with little concern with actual results, they are cushioned from the real-world consequences of their political beliefs and are able to believe in idealistic goals with little to no practical real-world implementation or concern for pragmatism or results.

>>11873610

*campus marxists have successfully ousted all dissent and coerced the rest into falling in line or else. The state funded nature of academia makes it an inevitable peon of the Big State.

>>11873216
complete romanticized nonsense

>>11873195
>Why are STEM academics seemingly more left leaning?
what are you basing this off of? Do you mean economically or culturally?

Technocrats =/= Liberals.

>>11873195
Because they survive on state gibs.

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>>11873195
>>11873216
It's really that simple. Liberalism is associated with higher intelligence.

>>11873236
That's fine. As long as your racism came about due to your own thinking and wasn't just something fed to you by someone else, you're still in good shape.

After years as TA and then instructor I can tell you this. Undergrads in STEM, particularly the autists, become deeply convinced of various bizarre "truths" with regards to semiconductor physics, cryptography, probability theory, and digital logic. I'm sure it happens in other areas too.

The question is, when you become aware of contradictory data, can you change your mind? I've seen "smart" autists flunk out of basic circuits classes because they could not accept the circuit analysis model presented by the class. Can you accept and embrace uncertainty? Or, are you a brainlet, unable to question previous assumptions?

I'm a STEM graduate and on my way to be a STEM PhD.
I support affordable housing, living wages, and universal healthcare.
But everytime someone comes chirping in "don't live in the cities", "why should I pay for someone else"...etc.etc.
Everytime we bring up affordable housing you guys jump to some free suburban 2000 sqft house when we are proposing commieblocks (which don't need to be with soviet architectural style)

>>11873195
the real answer op?
stem students are poor which poor people rely on the system
professors are a liberal cult so they'll be left no matter their income
later the stem student matures and gets in a management position and is now right wing since that benefits middle class and above

>>11873817
I'm not really right-wing, mostly just centrist-hardcore-libertarian, but this image is 100% correct.
The people on /sci/ are 100% obsequious bootlickers who would castrate themselves if they thought that was what society wanted them to do (and dressed it up in pseudoscience and gave it to them wrapped in a 101-level textbook).
I hate this board and don't know why I keep coming back.
Even pol is better. At least there you run into the occasional anon who sees past all the tradshit/fascshit astroturfing.

>>11874901
>The people on /sci/ are 100% obsequious bootlickers who would castrate themselves if they thought that was what society wanted them to do (and dressed it up in pseudoscience and gave it to them wrapped in a 101-level textbook).
Why so bitter??

>>11874735

>Liberalism is associated with higher intelligence

Those who can’t do, teach. The do’ers are out in the industry and economy, not academia pushing out meaningless busy work, and they aren’t leftist zealots either. Don’t ignore the fact that liberal politics depend on a sizeable poor and stupid voting bloc, they exist.

>>11873195
Same reason welfare recipients are more left leaning. Academics sit around collecting institutional gibs, in a hermetic community of institutional gibs collectors.

>>11877296

This is literally it lmao. And then applaud themselves for being tier 2 government dependents.

>>11877312
>>11877296
unironically this

>>11873267
I've noticed areas with high levels of """racism""" tend to be areas saturated with niggers where as the least """racist""" people tend to live in homogeneous communities pontificating about something they have fuck all experience of.

>>11873195
There are no clever right-wingers.

>>11877357

Right, as we all know modern society was built by women and niggers holding their hand out

>>11873216
This is correct. People who are averse to change are likely less equipped to cope with that change.

>>11873310
This whole rant is based on your singular experience growing up, and has nothing to do with the general case.

>>11873722
Occam's Razor.

>>11873195
Universities having a multitude of students from different racial backgrounds might have something to do with it.

>>11877289
"Those who can't do, teach" is a mindless saying created to appease the blue-collar worker and keep him from asking questions. Academics do AND teach, that is what they are paid to do, research.

>>11873195
Everything that was liberal in the 80s is “fascist” and “canceled“ by now. What was “right wing” in the 30s is nothing like what’s “right wing”. Most scientists are trend chasers who are attracted to ideologies that confer a status of “superior” over the “dumb and bigoted masses”. Right and left are composite amalgamations of axioms with zero internal consistency.

>>11877296
>>11877312
>>11877319
Is it "gibs" when we are producing research and output which betters humanity and knowledge? What are you doing? Painting houses? Making toilet brushes more efficient? Fuck off.

>>11877323
Then you notice only the most simple, braindead patterns which lack any nuance or contextualization. All instances of your pattern have explanations rooted in historical concerns and sociopolitics. Meanwhile, California is doing fine.

>>11877439
You are a rigid, inhuman, robotic person.

>>11873195
First of all, do you have any evidence for this other than your feels? Second, academia in general is more left leaning because leftist people tend to flock to institutions where concepts they oppose such as free market competition do not apply.

>>11874735
>Liberalism is associated with higher intelligence.
Real liberalism is, indeed, not the American fake liberalism.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289611001425
>Intelligence had a positive impact on political centrality.
>Education promoted orientations more to the left.
>Among persons with opinions those with the highest IQ's were found to be politically center-right and centrist respectively

The issue in the US is that you have two parties of which neither has a strong correlation with IQ. A high IQ leads to liberalism, meaning less government control and more free markets, but also being atheist, pro abortion, against military interventionism. Neither party fits this.

>>11877457
Mix your own shit with broken of glass and eat it.
Left and right don’t exist. Scientists support things that are trendy or that have a technocratic bent (make scientists more powerful and important).
If you were a scientist, would you prefer a technocratic left where scientists are glamorous and given more influence to solve problems or a right wing Party that wants financiers and popes to control everything?

>>11877436
>>11877440

Your shit busy work doesn’t produce anything. Innovation is achieved through private sector companies and their R&D, especially now in the era of post-meritocracy in academia. You can’t water down your institutions to baby gloves level and expect to keep pace with trillion dollar companies that need actual results.

>>11877289
>Those who can’t do, teach.
All that brainlet cope.
In reality, the best doers are also the best teachers, because they're the ones that actually understand what they're talking about.

>>11877472

Classical liberal pragmatist master race

>>11877492
This
Colleges are being ruined by affirmative action. Very soon, the title of “scientist” will be as discredited as “social scientist”.

>>11877494

Right, and they’re making $500k at Amazon and teaching their subordinates, not pushing paper around Fuckhead University while getting bossed by the campus politburo for pennies

Only American and western European are like this. No matter how smart you are you are not resistant to generations of indoctrination

>>11873195
are they?

>>11873216
If you put even a second of thought behind that post you'd realize how absurd it is. A lot of scientists who built the foundation of modern day science, the giants whose shoulders we stand upon, would be considered borderline nazis by current standards.

The real reason, OP, is because STEM people often follow the status quo at least in some way(you can correlate this with nerds trying to fit in or whatever), meaning that the leftist hegemony in the humanities bleeds into STEM, which is made of people who aren't commonly well versed enough in those areas to present any rebuttals to the pressure applied by humanities+media. I'm convinced it's especially the second, seeing so many in STEM are influenced by bullshit like Reddit and Dr. Who(they might not be the one doing things that matter, but they certainly are many). It is very rare to see someone in STEM who goes against the tide "consciously", instead of just being a fag who spouts memes. This would normally indicate someone with a broader background, and it's not surprising that this was more common when classical education was still a thing in universities. These days I saw a video about the code in the Apollo missions, for example, and the comments in the code referenced great works of antiquity and knightly orders, what present day coder is capable of making such broad references?

>>11877499
>Colleges are being ruined by affirmative action.
If racial quotas didn't ruin colleges before, why would it suddenly be ruining them now?
"Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all." - Dean Winternitz, Yale

>>11877500
I'd say a good 3/4th of the professors in my department have held high-salary positions in industry.
There's a revolving door between Industry and academia. The difference isn't the quality of the work, it's the focus.

>>11873195

I dunno but I sure wished people in my department stopped spewing bullshit and spent more time checking their data.

>>11877440
The utility of your output has nothing to do with your pay structure, idiot. Academics collect a good boy stipend from public welfare programs and/or wall-street endowment vehicles.

It's no different in terms of social structure than renaissance patronage. Why wouldn't you love your lord?

>>11877573
>high-salary positions
Same shit. You're on a comfy salary, you support whatever keeps you comfy.

>>11873722
Every major democratic nation has elected a right-wing government continuously for between 5 to 12 years. The idea that the left is in charge is nothing more than a convenient myth.

>>11873610
>I have citated John Oliver, so brave, right wing destroyed

Because academia is consist of people, and people are tend to be loyal to the hand which feeds they.


Don't also forget about (((them)))

>>11873216
What the fuck, no. I'm an engineer, I love being challenged by and challenging theories/viewpoints, have been persuaded to change my view given facts, and I'm racist af.
Liberalism =/= open minded and curious. Typically you will find more of those types in the liberal camp, but the liberalism didn't cause that behavior. It was already there. The behavior, moral upbringing, and media caused the liberal mindset (and same with conservatives).

>>11873195
Aren't all academics left leaning cause everyone's taught and led by a bunch of asshats who grew up and stayed in a bubble institution that fostered and taught more people who would grow up and stay in the bubble institution that would foster and teach..., perpetuating a cycle of real world ignorance?

>>11877694
Name one, other than perhaps Brasil

>>11873236
It is fine. You can be open minded and racist. In fact if one is truly open minded it is just a matter of time until one becomes hardcore racist.

Maybe because left leaning ideologies are more logical and rational people tend to hold to them? Conservatives have been shown to have lower IQs.

>>11877933
>Maybe because left leaning ideologies are more logical and rational people tend to hold to them?

What's rational about sucking niggers cocks?

>>11877694

Not really. A momentary meager resistance (getting continuously panned in the media until the people go right on back to the globalist paradigm) doesn’t count as “power”. Trump for example may hold power technically but in all practicality is getting tossed in the wind by real establishment power right now. His backers are primarily average American citizens. Not a ton of clout. Conservatives in the UK face a similar plight.

>>11873195
Because being a rightoid is incompatible with intelligence

>>11877948
what’s rational about the typical right wing thinking that all blacks need to do to overcome their shitty ghettos and poverty is just “make better choices”

>>11877980
I do not care about blacks they can go and do their chimp stuff. Just don't let me coexist with them and shit. Ok? Take them home yourself and suck their cocks for what i care. Dont impose them onto myself.

>>11877980
Blacks in "shitty ghettos and poverty" have a geography problem, a massive social network problem, and (to a much lesser extent, more a symptom of the other two problems than a problem of its own) a youth culture problem. What they don't have is a black problem. Black isn't a god damn disease, living in the ghetto and being poor has nothing to do with being black, it has to do with living in the ghetto and being poor. You seriously think that blacks with working parents who grew up in the suburbs with have more in common with section 8 blacks stuffed like sardines in the middle of Chiraq than they do with the white suburban kids they grew up with?

>>11878045
>do you think nignogs have more in common with niggers than with whytes
Yes lol

>>11878055
You black?

>>11877451
>Then you notice only the most simple, braindead patterns which lack any nuance or contextualization. All instances of your pattern have explanations rooted in historical concerns and sociopolitics. Meanwhile, California is doing fine.

>>11877980

Bro. They literally glorify single motherhood and crime. They don’t hide it. Its in their music, their social media. I grew up there, cancer creates cancer. 70% rate of single motherhood, homicide rates that blow everybody else out of the water. At what point do you consider that maybe, just maybe THEY created a terrible culture? After another 50 years of this maybe?

Assuming you're a Burger, the American Overton Window is largely right-wing save for some token social issues on the "left".

>>11873195
>STEM academics seemingly more left leaning
than who?
All academics are more left leaning, if anything those in STEM tend to be less invested in politics than other areas of academia.

>>11878129

Is that a joke? They’ve made the statement “all lives matter” controversial

>>11878116
so do negro genes just code for such self destructive behavior? they just created the terrible culture because that’s just the way they are? you couldn’t possibly think of some other events that lasted literally for centuries that could be responsible?

>>11878129
That's a fascinatingly dumb perspective, seeing as how the only opinions which are banned here are "right wing" opinions. I can only assume you've been indoctrinated into your perspective by the international corporate media.

>>11878156

They aren’t held remotely accountable for their state or behavior for starters. Imagine a terrible child who is actually ENCOURAGED, much less punished, that is black America.

And the welfare/society reforms of the 60’s did much to permanently entrench them on public dole and break up their culture of nuclear family.

Listen to poor white music (country) and poor black music (rap) and you will see the difference in mindset. Country: drink, screw around, work, love. Rap: fuck, rob, kill, smoke.

>>11878156
look at africa. they just know see to have invented the wheel.

>>11878178
>Listen to poor white music (country) and poor black music (rap)
Again, this is geography, not race. Poor country blacks listen to country and talk in a southern drawl and wave the confederate flag; poor urban whites listen to rap and talk like wiggers and shoot at cop cars.

>>11873331
This. The actual Left isn't succeeding at all economically, unfortunately.

>>11878312
In America, this is because every economic populist movement is infiltrated and cartooned out to be a caricature itself for cable TV zombies to laugh at. Perfect example is the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. Both started off as normal people pissed off at bank fraud and revolving door politics, TP got cartooned into some weird Koch Brothers hillbilly fantasy for MSNBC retards to laugh at, OWC got cartooned into some weird Progressive Stack hippie rape fantasy for Fox retards to laugh at.

>>11878214

No they don’t retard>>11878214

>>11877414
Focused on math instead of carnal desires?

>>11878376
According to who, you? So which one are you, a black country folk or a section 8 wigger?

>>11878148
The reason why "all lives matter" is a problem is because it is a meaningless statement meant to dismiss the issues of others and muddy discourse

>>11873195
I don't know why all the smart people are liberal. As a conservative, it really doesn't make sense to me. Must be some kind of jewish conspiracy

>>11878579
No, the whole point of "black lives matters" as a catchphrase is to catch people's attention and make them argue about it and thus elevate the issue of police violence into public discourse. To think "of course, all lives matter" is literally the most natural reflex that any normal, non-racist human would have, and that is WHY the catchphrase "black lives matter" was picked and why it works the way it does.

>>11878659
If you were not racist you wouldn't have a problem of only saying black lives matter in context of the issue

>>11878670
You think only blacks get killed by police? Holy fuck you're stupid.

>>11878672
no I think that blacks get killed by police three times more than anyone else
And saying all lives matter is dimminishing this

>>11878686
Nope, but racist cable TV zombies like you help elevate the issue into public discourse, so you are tolerated.

Meanwhile, normal non racist blacks and whites have been agreeing on this shit forever, hell we even have the same lawyer repping Floyd and Coffman.

>>11878705
You saying that I am racist for saying black lives matter
makes me think that you are melting down over confronting your own racism

>>11878711
Think whatever you want, weirdo

>>11877799
that was colbert, dipshit

>>11878715
What's the problem of saying black lives matter?
do I have to say that white lives matter to satiate your insecurity

>>11878723
You can say whatever you want about white lives, why would I care? You think I'm white?

>>11878723
Lmao okay I give you permission to say white lives matter, go on and tweet it out now dude

>>11878739
that's nice and all but I don't use twitter

>>11878736
So why can't I say that black lives matter?
And I did
sorry if that bothers you

>>11878759
Works just like I said, doesn't it >>11878659

>>11878943
>thus elevate the issue of police violence into public discourse
Why does police violence not an important issue to be in the public discourse?

>>11878951
It is, that's the point.

>11878955
then what's the problem?

>>11878951
But we tried talking about police violence for years and no one cares, "black lives matter" is a much better way to get people talking about it and I'm telling you how it works. Don't get mad at the all lives matter people, they're doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.

>>11873195
Intelligence and liberalism are intricately connected.

>>11873265
Racism is a scientific fact.

>>11873195
Brainwashing in universities. Real men are fascist.

>>11878970
Science doesn't believe in race

>>11873216
>Liberals would be more associated with openness and diversity and open borders
Liberal ideology is completely against open borders, conservative ideology on the other hand is pro open borders
>but m-muh Trump and the GOP
They're nationalist/populist, not solely conservative

>>11878965
Saying "All lives matter" doesn't help, it's a smokescreen

>>11878985
*smoke bomb

>>11873272
>>11873285
True. I'd just add that academics live in rich cities isolated from the hostilities of nature and surrounded by other relatively high IQ, educated people. This creates a cognitive bias and a specific set of incentives (you already addressed some of them) that make them more effeminate in their values and ignorant of the environment the rural and the less educated have to endure daily (including the raw underclassess of other ethnicities).

>>11878973
The claim that "race is just a social construct" is not an empirical claim, but a taxonomic change of definition. It's literally not science, but midwit progressive "academics" (diversity hires and guilt-ridden white folk) will claim otherwise.

>>11878994
So have you looked into the arguments for it or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass?

>>11879007
Yes, I have looked. The claim that race may be a poor proxy for certain genetic traits, medical conditions, and so on is empirical and valid. But the way it's framed by progressive academics is that race is "almost always" a poor proxy (for what, they can't explain in broad terms, but rather provide only a few inadequate examples), to heavily imply that "race is not even real" as a natural phenomenon, when it plainly is. This is accomplished by a categorical change, not by a bona fide empirical analysis.

>>11878985
>>11878988
I don't begrudge you a silly opinion, but the results sure do speak for themselves.

>>11873195
Nepotism.
Example: UK professor fired for criticizing BLM, another was promoted for saying "white lives don't matter"

>>11878686
Well you're wrong. When you only take unarmed instances into account white people are more likely to be shot by police.
Black numbers are just inflated because they're more likely to attempt to punch or shoot at officers

>>11878985
Perfect example right here >>11879130

The trick is competitive empathy. Whites get killed by police more after you filter for circumstance but less after you filter for overpolicing black neighborhoods.

So now instead of just blacks complaining about being overpoliced, you get whites complaining about who gets killed the most, and that gets everyone talking about the same problem.

>>11879139
But, blacks being killed by police, aborted and imprisoned in disproportionately high numbers is a good thing and probably one of the reasons America didn't begin to noticably collapse until the early 21st century rather than in the 60's and 70's after the disaster of reconstruction and emancipation were fully realized, desu. Lincoln wanted to send them back, we could have had a thousand year reich if we sent them back, there's still time to send them back.

>>11879100
that doesn't counter my point
>>11879130
>it's inflated
how do you know that they are more likely to punch or shoot an officer?
do you get it from your preconceived notion that blacks are more violent that comes from a study that links poverty to violence but than was misused?

>>11879139
Well when you put it like that I can accept it.
where did you get the idea of competitive empathy?

>>11879143
>>>/pol/
>>11879144
You don't really have a point. You're too fixated on race to realize that "all lives matter" isn't enemy fire, it's tactical. We're not as stupid as you seem to think we are.

>>11879161
No I see the phrase get called in response to black lives matter all of the time
it's almost like it was to dismiss it
you think I'm obsessed with race?

>>11879155
Most people, no matter who you they or where they come from, feel like they got a bad draw in life. And they're all looking for something to blame. Might as well focus the energy somewhere useful.

>>11879175
>focus it on those who protect life and property instead of on getting rid of the financial and political elite or improving the lives of the white working and middle class majority by bringing back our manufacturing and investing in infrastructure
I wonder who is behind this post?

>>11879171
> I see the phrase get called in response to black lives matter all of the time
It is.
>it's almost like it was to dismiss it
It is.
But that's why it works.

>you think I'm obsessed with race?
who isn't these days lol

>>11879178
>I wonder who is behind this post?
Gobbledygook jew shit >>>/pol/

>>11879178
They are other ways to protect life and property than the police anon

>>11879186
No, there are not. Faggot.
>>11879185
I'm Jewish, and was calling him an SWPL bougie retard not a Kike.

>>11878985
The problem is it's the same "All" from "All men are created equal" (except black slaves) and "Liberty and justice for all" (except for jim crow and segregation)

>>11879244
Lmfao if you see the word “all” and your brain reads “all [white people]” guess what, the problem’s you, twinkie

>>11879317
>Racist dogwhistles don't exist
>oh shit there on to us quick call them the racists

>>11879244

Anon, that constitution you’re criticizing was the main argument used for freeing slaves and granting them full rights. People recognized the inconsistency back then too.

>>11879423
You're forgetting that that was after the civil war and the south anon

>>11878579

No, it’s an attempt to steer a deliberately racialized movement back into egalitarian, post racial context. But you don’t want that, because you have a specific agenda that only caters to one race. Only 30% of all cop killings are black anon, it isn’t an exclusive issue. And before you start talking about proportions they’re also 5x more likely to commit violent crime, on that basis they’re quite under represented.

Don’t act like it’s about “black lives” anyway, you’re talking about a handful of black deaths a year that happen to occur in a particular way. It’s like choosing to focus all your energy on stopping lightning strikes and not cancer.

>>11879432

Racist parts of the Deep South don’t characterize the official doctrine and culture of the US at large. That was all eventually stamped out legally.

Do you understand that we could in fact have slavery TODAY if Western nations weren’t based on Christian, enlightenment principles? They led the way on abolishment and equality. Trust me, Asia and Africa did not give a fuck, some places still practice slavery. Be careful what you wish for.

>>11879408
>the word “all” is a racist dog whistle

>>11879435
That is a lot of crazy assumptions based on me trying to explain why people think that "all lives matter" is wrong anon

>>11879461
It depends on the context.

>>11879462

I’m just stating facts, doesn’t have to apply to you personally, this is your typical anti-ALMer

>>11879468
Lmfao no it doesn’t, the word all means all unless you’re literally a racist idiot

>>11879469
>I'm just stating facts
all of your facts are based on nothing but the 13/50 thing that was from a racist trying to skew the results of a study saying that poverty is linked to violence

>>11879473
exactly the problem

>>11879478

Are you saying anything at all here or is this the part where you have a meltdown and just try to obfuscate things

>>11879486
there are a lot of racist idiots in america anon

>>11879478
>exactly the problem
No, I explained upthread exactly how fools like you are exactly the solution. Thanks for shining your white light

>>11879497
Jesus Christ can you tell me what the FUCK are you talking about
I'm just trying to tell you why people think it's a bad thing and then you just go off on how you are in on this whole agenda of making this into a whole post race thing about the police

>BLACK. LIVES. MATTER!!
>*defunds/scares off the police*
>*protests en masse during a pandemic that has specifically affected blacks hardest*
>*kills thousands more blacks unnecessarily through COVID while unpoliced cities see surges of 50% in shootings*

WE DID IT PATRICK

>>11879522
The fuck you talking about? There’s obviously more than two people posting right now, unless you’re having a side conversation with yourself.
I already explained exactly how it works right here >>11878659 You’re not explaining anything to me.
you’re saying exactly what you’re supposed to say lmao

>>11877472
Unbelievably based

They weren't until the 'A' was added.

>>11879545
>you’re saying exactly what you’re supposed to say lmao
Do you think that I am not thinking for myself?
Is that what your problem is?
get your head out of your ass

>>11879144
>how do you know that they are more likely to punch or shoot an officer?
Because as I said if you only take unarmed instances into account white people are more likely to be shot however when you take armed/violent instances into account there are 3x more black victims meaning black people are more likely to be armed and aggressive, fairly simple logic really

>>11879600
Not even true

>>11879608
You are and we predicted it. Thanks buddy

>>11879144
>preconceived notion that blacks are more violent that comes from a study that links poverty to violence but than was misused?
How can the poorest white area have lower crime rates than the richest black area then? I don't have the infographic to hand sadly

>>11878312
>posting the direct consequence of Reaganomics

>>11879618
Okay, and when was this study conducted?

>>11879619
It's easy for you to say you predicted it after it happens buddy

>>11879630
2005

>>11879625
Not the same poster but are the poorest white areas in urban section 8 welfare projects or are they somehow different in terms of geography and population density?

>>11879633
Do you disagree that no one cared about police violence until we turned it into a competition over who was getting fucked harder?

>>11879637
Fair enough.

>>11873195
Science and math are liberal arts

>>11879645
Yes
Are you trying to take all of the credit of people who just had enough and organised against it

>>11873216
>more world views
some of those perspectives are bound to be fucked. you can just go around adopting the ideology of whoever crosses your path, some of those people are going to be stupid, or weak, or cruel, or foolish. Some people are going to be sadists, some people are going to be barbarians, some people you are always going to want to disassociate your self with.

>>11879707
a society that is too open is open to subversion, people who disagree with that countries ideals will try to forcefully change their values. People who rely on violence to enforce cultural dogma are barbarians.

People here really confuse the meaning of being open-minded with gullibility huh

>>11879715
If we sympathize with everyone who comes to our door, some of those people are bound to pray on our sympathies.

>>11873198
fpbp

A conservative might argue that living in the wonder of imagined clouds of ideals might lead to a fracturing of society and peoples who require strict adherence to a rigid culture, but that's another massive topic or ten.

>>11877472
this is an extremely low IQ post

>high IQ leads to atheism
biggest indicator. true high IQ chads realize that there is plenty of room for the divine beyond the bounds of empiricism. We will never be able to create morals or explain how the universe came into existence with empiricism. theres a reason tons of smart people remained religious, even theoretical physicists and astrophysicists who sought to explain everything rationally.

military intervention is a hard one. I wouldn't say that you should be against it if you are high IQ. it would be low IQ to assert that you should be one way or another on the topic without actually doing any real study of it.

Abortion also gets into religion, but policy wise if you are a classical liberal and high IQ I agree with you here that your religion should not get in the way and you should be ok with allowing sinners who aren't your own kin to sin.

Lastly, calling modern/social liberalism "fake liberalism" is a huge sign of low IQ. you don't know anything about the modern political landscape. its not fake liberalism. its just different from classical liberalism. they are allowed to use the term "liberal" and its not wrong in this usage.

>We will never be able to create morals.
Yeah because they are just based on emotion not logic. There is no objective moral framework. Morality literally varies from society to Society yet you want to tell me some dude from another realm has the objective truth they are just missing out on because some people ate an apple off a tree.
>Or explain how the universe came to be.
This is meaningless, and science (the empirical method) has done more to explain this than some scribblings of a bunch of Jews.

^ low iq tourist post

>>11877472
>A high IQ leads to liberalism, meaning less government control and more free markets
Because those aspects benefit high IQ people. High IQ people in academia and the like are less likely to profit from it, and thus don't support those principles. At the end of the day everyone's human and looking out for their own interests regardless of their IQ.

>>11879746
>its just different from classical liberalism. they are allowed to use the term "liberal" and its not wrong in this usage.
Dumb amerimutt.

>>11879670
Who cares about credit, are you even an adult? I'm telling you how black lives matter works as a catchphrase to make people pay attention, and all you keep yapping about is who gets a doggie treat for being a good boy.

>>11877834
>What the fuck, no. I'm an engineer

>>11873195
STEM subjects promote critical thinking and evidence based process, thus graduates tend to appear "left leaning" to right wing partisans and "right leaning" to left wing partisans

>>11880574
Well you for one were using this whole "we" nonsense as if you were talking like the whole black lives matter community or something

>>11881617
I'm an American, the fuck pronoun you expect me to use when I refer to Americans? Oh that's right, you're the racist idiot who thinks "all" means "all [white people]" lmao, you keep doing you.

>>11881658
I expect you to not speak for the both of us
And there you go calling me a racist again
What are we(you and I) even arguing about

>>11881680
>speak for the both of us
>all [white people]
>the credit
For real though, you need to unlearn whatever you learned about reading mazy nonsense into simple words. That's not how communication works. All you're doing at this point is having a conversation with your own imagination.

>>11881711
There are communication errors on both sides
and I'm sorry for mine
but you keep on assuming that I'm racist for saying that racists exist

>>11873331
poorfag

>>11873195
Engineering is pretty based. Even the gay cross dressing circuit analysis prof I had was catholic.

in the nineties there was this idea to look past race and on merit instead, somehow we've gone and went to the point your skin color is the defining characteristic now

There are many autist niggas out there and they are just getting hurt by this thats my take on the whole thing. It's like entire society just went retarded for the past 20 years

>>11882071
How?

>>11873216
I don't know about that chief...
Most liberals I meet in college are intolerant to anyone that doesn't agree with their mainstream ideologies, whereas conservatives would engage in civil discourse. The reason you see liberals in STEM is because it's been infiltrated. Most people in academia are spineless and side with the most aggressive ideology, thus why you see a lot of these profs claiming to be libtards.

>>11882099
Maybe you're right
but how do we know that this isn't just you're self-serving bias talking?

>>11882099
>libtards
>telling professors that they are spineless
yeah nice civil discourse here

>>11882169
>libtards
Guess I can't make boomer jokes :'(
>>11882166
Sure, I think everyone has a bias, but CURRENTLY conservative bias seems more tolerant.

>>11882215
>Oh no I can't go without making fun of other people :'(
real civil there

>>11878686
Look anon I'm a hardcore liberal, I go laugh at /pol/tards like any sane person for them being schizos and all but you're completely wrong. The fact is the black community is mostly responsible for the issues within their community.
If you want to read a good article on the subject check out this. I can respect anyone with the balls to speak the truth in crazy times like this
>https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

>>11882239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ciwjHVHYg

>>11882088
The reason we're in a bumpy period right now is because the 60s kids who fought for civil rights are now the same boomers who own all the institutions. They were born and raised by their parents to see the world in terms of colonialist racial identity, and that's the operating system they run on. They can't help themselves. The regressive racism and resegregation you see boiling over is just a temporary side effect of the boomer mindset. As soon as Gen X takes over the institutions, it will calm down again, because Gen X is post colonial. You can already see the first glimmers of this dynamic in Kanye and Elon.

>>11882239
I can't read that it tells me I have to login

>>11882246
If you're going to ignore my article that is well sourced in order to post something else that ignores the point at hand I won't waste my time on you. You're being intellectually dishonest and show you have no intention of having an honest conversation.
If you want to argue against the article I posted then challenge it with arguments, don't expect me to watch a hour long video that will ignore the points addressed in the article I posted. And if you truly want me to watch that video, I'll give it a chance when you read the article and challenge the points it makes.

Come on anon this is the /sci/ board. You should expect an honest debate.

>>11882270
>>11882261

>>11882261
>I can't read that it tells me I have to login
Its free to some but others get that message. Try opening it in a different browser. And if not I'll screenshot it in a bit hold on

>>11879495
yup, most of them black :)

>>11882270
The video I posted doesn't ignore the point though

>>11882278
I don't ignore the black racists but I doubt that they are the most

>>11882237
:| You really like spinning my comments

>>11882290
Okay fuck I got locked out in my laptop and could only access the article through my phone.
No fucking clue how WSJ's paywall works.
So I just got it in a pastebin instead here:
>https://pastebin.com/XBaZEmu0

>>11882316
>WSJ
Kek

>>11882488
>can't argue the content nor the sources so has to attack the publisher
This is how you admit to losing the argument. If you have nothing coherent left to say we are done.

>>11873216
Theory doesn’t work because those supposedly high openness people aren’t open to national socialist, white nationalist, traditionalist or other “far right” ideas.
Academics are some of the least open minded people on the planet.

>>11877834
>I love being challenged by and challenging theories/viewpoints, have been persuaded to change my view given facts, and I'm racist af.
Probably applies to most genuinely open minded but critical people.
Yes, I’m cartoonishly racist in many ways, but I’ll also learn your language and culture and incorporate them.