/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11872162
pls stop being so mean 2 me

>>11872162
>If you can't tell, does it matter?
I think not. Reality only amounts to our perceptions of the world.

>>11872162
I think it's a great way to produce fiber like structures to imitate the texture of meat. However, an extrusion process might scale up better than printing. So rather than printing they just have a a bunch of nozzles and extrude a continuous tube of faux steak.

>>11872171
>Reality only amounts to our perceptions of the world.

>>11872181
>implying
I'm literally saying to open your eyes and not immediately fall in line with the opinions of others. Think for yourself and apply effort towards discovering and analyzing the facts.

>>11872181
based schizo

>>11872205
>fb meme is so based!
You have to go back

>>11872263
>You have to go back
>hits most points on pseudoscience side

>>11872162
It why eat fake meat in the first place?

Yep just gotta slaughter infant animal fetuses to get that dank base growth material, so animal friendly wow.

>>11872162
I don't understand why vegan meat replacements focus so much on recreating the meat texture rather than just making good-tasting vegan food. The problem a lot of people have is not that they crave the taste or feeling of meat, it's just that vegan food sucks ass or is not thought out enough.
Very few people switching to veganism crave the taste of meat. They just want the vegan food to taste good.
It's like a well-seasoned quinoa burger versus a meat-replicating impossible burger. Why do we care so much to recreate the taste of meat when the first one can be better, and isn't trying to be something it's not?

Uhhh stem cells > 3D printing when it comes to this....

>>11872376
Crickets after this lol....you’re retards

>>11872373
You’re completely ass backwards and fucking retarded dude

Learn how to fucking cook and live in an urban area and there are a fuck ton of delicious vegan foods you can have, your own cultural ignorance and lack of culinary skills are not representative of the entire world.

But, there is a very instinctive urge to eat meat and being able to satisfy that sometimes makes sticking to the vegan diet otherwise much more doable, there’s also a dietary need for protein and eating tofu and beans and nuts gets old after awhile.

>>11872179
>So rather than printing they just have a a bunch of nozzles and extrude a continuous tube of faux steak.
That's what 3d printing is tho

Lab grown cultures is where its at. Just GROW fucking meat.

>>11872570
First off I must clarify that 3d printing technically refers to the process of forming 3d objects by spraying binder on to powder. Pic related. The process mentioned here is really fused deposition modelling or FDM. I mean extrusion not FDM. As in you'd have a plate with a bunch of nozzles in it, each one supplying red or white goo so that you can form a continuous profile of meat. This is closer to extrusion or pultrusion of composites.
Because said process can only make shapes with 2d cross sections and not arbitrary 3d shapes it is not FDM. However, because FDM must scan a single nozzle back and forth layer by layer to form a shape, FDM is much slower
>>11872584
if we could grow meat, why can't we grow replacement organs or tissues? Replacement organs or tissue are much more valuable than meat. People will pay about $10 for a burger, but an arm and a leg for a literal arm or leg.

>>11872376
>Buying store brand piss
Fucking poorfags.

>>11872373
artificial meat is not supposed to be the pinnacle of vegan food, it's supposed to be just artificial meat.

>>11872162

imagine wanting to eat meat and suffer from chronic diseases.

>>11872162
I doubt it, I think within the next 2 years we'll reach peak vegan levels I'd say we're fairly close now, everyones aware of the health benefits to plant based, everyones aware of what happens to the animals before it reaches your plate people who aren't currently vegan don't care about animals and won't suddenly start caring, the increases in veganism we see are mostly virtue signalling, I do however think as convenience grows we'll see a lot more people going plant based but the thing stopping someone from being vegan isn't that they can't have steak at a restaurant

>>11872162
I'd rather have beans.

>>11872747
Dude just look at vegans.

Veganism is inherently parasitic upon the omnivore's diet, they create vast swathes of byproducts that animals usually utilise.

>>11872747
Don't know about that. Every time i see vegans they are extremely underdeveloped. I had friend who was vegan ever since 6 and he was like 5'1. When he started to eat meat in his 24s he grew at least to 5'3

>>11872867
Yeah lmao why would I want to look like the vegan on the right when I could look like the omni on the left

>>11872376
>not storing your piss in the fridge

>>11872171
She looks strange but still attractive.
I love musk's taste for women.

>>11872868
Are you fucking retarded
There's so much food, you can safely ignore vegans.

>>11872911
If you compare a mussel cow with an lion, it also appears the cow will win, but it dont.

Also do what you like my descendants will extend there diet to vegans, in like 200 generations.

>>11872975
don't spend my free time fighting lions or cows lad, don't give a fuck

>>11872858
>my poor chickeninos! How could you steal their unfertilised eggs?
Vegans are just retarded. Vegetarians are alright and to some extend logical.
The only thing veganfags habe a problem with is factory farming, but guess what, nobody likes that. Too bad vegans have never seen a real farm and can't just get normally farmed shit because their abused bodies would die from a trip outta town.

>>11872962
>Are you fucking retarded
are you?

>>11872994
>nobody likes factory farming
>people still buy things from factory farms
also you can go on youtube and find tons of videos of vegans touring farms, that being said I don't give too much of a shit about eggs and I think most vegans (especially women) are hypocritical about that they're pro abortion but have a problem with eggs being taken because it's somehow a life but a fetus isn't, milks pretty fucked imo though cause of the forced pregnancies and calfs being taken away I've heard on more homestead type farms that doesn't happen but I've never seen one first hand - you bring up a good point it'd probably help my understanding if I toured a farm to see it all first hand thanks

>>11872998
>videos of vegans touring farms
I found one a while back that was completely laughable.
some guy named ed or something was looking at calf hutches and calling the poor creatures miserable, claiming it's cruel for animals to be outside in the cold...and I was looking at and seeing that they were some of the best maintained calf systems I've seen in a while, lovely clean pens, contented calves with good thrift and beautifully clear coats.
Nothing is ever good enough for these idiots.

>>11872998
the reason calves are snatched away early under some systems farms is to reduce the bonding interval for the cow and greatly reduce the stress she feels when her calf is eventually taken away so it's a policy purely for the welfare of the cow and calf. the downside is you have to mother the calf for the first couple of days and feed it colostrum regularly so you can get a reduced performance compared to a system where the cow is left with the calf for a few days until her colostrum clears up but you do have a level of bonding develop in those three days that is potentially traumatic for the cow and calf after separation.
Though snatch calving is also a method of reducing disease transmission from the mother's faeces to the calf such as Johne's disease because you are removing the calf from the contaminated area.
Some smaller systems use a system where the calves are partly separated from the cow while the cow is milked and then she's put back with her calf, another system is the use of nurse cows where multiple calves are suckled onto a usually older cow with mastitis problems to raise which is quite high performance and frees up their mothers for regular milking and you can cycle the calves out after 2-3 months when they're weaned.

On the other point if you've ever seen natural mating then you'd realise that AI is much less risky for the cow given how rough bulls are

>>11872998
If you have any further questions I would be happy to answer them to the extent that I am able.

>>11873041
earthling ed probably, I think the issue is vegans view the entire thing as unnecessary, I mean if we take calf snatching from >>11873062 as an example from the perspective of a vegan milk isn't needed at all so the entire thing seems much worse, whereas if you drink milk or see milk as something that needs to be produced then it's better than the alternative, I didn't know calve snatching also helps with the disease risk to calves though which is pretty cool am I correct in thinking most of the calves are sent to slaughter anyway?

>>11873093
>am I correct in thinking most of the calves are sent to slaughter anyway?
...eventually.
calves = money
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dairy_cattle_breeds
http://afs.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle
there are other systems but I'm going to describe the pure dairy cow system because it's what I'm most familiar with specialised dairy breeds, namely, Jersey, Holstein, friesian, brown swiss, etc, etc go look on the oklahoma cow breed encyclopedia if you want more examples, http://afs.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle
see the dairy system is run on the basis that you need a calf roughly once a year for the cow to keep milking, but for every hundred milking cows you only need about 15-25 replacements every year, so at least half of all calves are usually the product of a beef specialised breed being used as a crossing sire, eg charolais, limosin, hereford, belgian blue, etc, etc once again check the link. these are raised as beef cattle and in a few countries make up the majority of the beef trade.
now the ~40% of cows are put to a dairy breed, you can reduce the number further by using semen that has been screened and separated to be mostly female semen though it's less reliable and generally used on maiden(virgin) heifers because it costs more per straw.
so let's say best case scenario we've got 10-20/100cows pure dairy bull calves that aren't worth as much as heifer replacement or specialised beef crosses. that doesn't mean they aren't also raised as beef animals only that they aren't as valuable and go for a lower price. some systems will simply destroy these calves because it costs too much for them to be raised on but most don't, some will go to be raised as veal or raised on extensive systems with low overheads until they're fully grown and can be fattened as beef, (which is the system we used)
now there is an incentive here for people to maintain more beefy genes in their dairy cattle that increase the resale value of these bull calves.

>>11873144
cont
*because if you've spent 9 months gestating the calf and $40 in semen then you kind of want something back for it instead of disposal costs instead of just discounting the cost of dud calf as a cost of getting the milk.
most people/farmers don't like the idea killing animals at least not before they're ready.

>>11872911
Holy shit is that Clarence Kennedy?

All animals should life in freedom. Its much better for animals if the can be hunted for hours on end by wolfs, till the collapse in desperation and get torn apart.

Nature is beautiful.

Also did anyone see how hyenas feast on an trapped animal with out being concerned to killing it first?

>>11872162
Lrn2grammar

I am wondering why nobody reports on why this isn't developed as a top priority issue via inter/national entities. I hope it's ready soon. It's relevant to diseases and deforestation for example.

>>11873235
Beans are cheaper.

>>11873233
Is english your second language?

>>11872373
I think it's for people transitioning to veganism. I used to like the imitation meat but now I have no taste for it. It's like giving up soda.
Sugar soda -> diet soda -> mineral water -> water

>>11872960
>>11872171

>>11872162
God dammit why do vegans have to ruin everything?
>I don't want to eat meat, but it's not enough for me to just not eat meat, I need a lab to design a billion dollar meat substitute and then I want to ban meat so nobody else can eat it.

>>11873824
Imagine being so triggered by beans lmao

>>11873825
If you don't want to eat meat, don't eat meat. I don't understand this obsession with trying to replace it for everyone else.

>>11873384
no i just learned it at school, but i never was good at foreign languages.

>>11873833
Some people like the taste of meat but can't or won't have it for various reasons. In the same way they like the thrill of violence but they don't want to kill people so so they play a first-person-shooter instead.
There's a market, so this is a product to fill it.

>>11873838
And if that's where it was going to stop I wouldn't care.

>>11873844
That is where it stops unless you invent problems in your head in order to complain about them.

>>11873846
>That is where it stops unless you invent problems in your head in order to complain about them.
Most of the companies working on this kind of tech (ex. Impossible Foods in California) have explicitly stated that their long term goal is near-total replacement of animal agriculture in the food industry. It's not enough for them to simply 'build a better veggie burger'.

>>11873868
>nooooo the food I eat must come from a defenceless tortured animal nooo

>>11872162
>Will you humanity ever eats farm-based meat?
What? What are you trying to say? You must be a vegan, your brain is so damaged that you can't even write a short sentence without massively fucking it up.

>>11874058
>haha meat printer go brrr

>>11872162
Give me 30 cent Kobe beef

As long as it has the same exact nutritional value as meat and tastes the same I couldn't care less.

just eat a portabella burger and stfu

>>11872666
Yeah that is the money maker. If you could do the vegan printing cheaper then go for it, but if we have the tech, I'd rather have REAL meat.

>>11872911
>normal diet vs roided out vegan
Didn't it also come out that many those vegan gains people were just eating meat anyway?

>>11875029
technically only jon venus, but very much all of them sculpted their body w beef + roids then became vegan after and slowly decline