/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11859754

science is a meme. only mathematics is worth studying

>>11859761
>mathematics

>>11859774
Everything proven true in mathematics is necessarily true.

>>11859774
There is no burden to connect equations to the real world.

>>11859886
You are exactly wrong. With math you can prove anything, even imaginary fantasies.

>>11859918
No, with math proving requires solid logic. You can't prove the reals are finitely dense for example, that's an imaginary fantasy. Everything proven in math is logically true, because that's what math is--an exercise in logic.

>>11859904
When an equation isn't linked with the real world then it's just a mathematical fantasy and has nothing to do with physical reality - it's just math. Mainstream scientists will discover this en masse (and it will be very unpleasant for them) when they're finally forced to try to link Plank's equation with the real world (something which they can't avoid doing forever) and they discover it doesn't work because Kirchhoff's thermal law is invalid. To get redpilled on this, see:

> What is Kirchhoff's Law? Blackbody and Cavity Radiation!
https://youtu.be/DodFojdkSIA

> Is Kirchhoff's Law True? The Experiment!
https://youtu.be/YQnTPRDT03U

> Kirchhoff's Law - The Second Experiment!
https://youtu.be/LE7fZ565DWc

> Kirchhoff's Law, Max Planck, and the Carbon Particle!
https://youtu.be/m-poyIY7pfQ

> Kirchhoff's Law vs the 2nd Law: The "Boxes Side-by-Side Experiment"!
https://youtu.be/rsQXu5qLkgg

> Kirchhoff's Law vs the 0th, 1st, and 2nd Laws: The "Box in a Box" Experiment!
https://youtu.be/5cS1mfZ2XYY

> Linking Planck's Equation with the Physical World!
https://youtu.be/_w8PJZvnLGI

> The Big Bang, Photons, & The Microwave Background!
https://youtu.be/NHOo3elX5-c

> History of Kirchhoff's Law - Presentation at German Physical Society
https://youtu.be/83JU6enMBS0

>>11859918
I am not wrong whatsoever. Not everything can be proven true in mathematics, only that which is true can be proven true.
>>11859937
No such thing as "physical reality". you are talking about sensory data that is input into your mind via your senses and then interpreted by your mind as phenomenological experience. That is not "physical reality", you do not and never will have access to noumena you dumb faggot.

>>11859774
>eu garbage
into the trash it goes

>>11859754

I only e joy the classics myself. The problem with modern physics is it's full of contradictions, but instead of admitting the theory is wrong, they just go along with it.

Twin paradox
Big bang
Spooky action
Schrodinger's cat

All these demonstrated that the modern theory is wrong, but instead of scrapping the junk science, we are just left with a dogma full of contradictions.

>>11859761
>tfw want to study math
>tfw barely any money to go to college
>tfw community colleges offer nothing beyond basic calc
>tfw too late to go to real college and too expensive anyway
>tfw self study is possible but I won't get a degree
>tfw math field is basically unemployable anyway
I want to die.

>>11859918
This.

Fucking undergrads everywhere...

>>11859981
>only that which is true can be proven true.
Read a math book. It'll help.

>>11860094
Paradox isn't contradiction. You're probably still in high school judging from your post.

>>11859754
>I fucking hate science!!!

math is only a language to describe abstract concepts, moreover it rests on unprovable assumptions. Math is not "true" anyone who says this is a retard /pol/tard

>>11859754
>19th century science
was not science
> 21st century science
is science

Only /pol/tards brainlet love the pre-1905 "science"

>>11860128
>Paradox isn't contradiction

Ok. Now tell me how anything I listed isn't just proof the theory is incorrect

>>11860194
>how anything I listed isn't just proof the theory is incorrect
maybe try to study the field you are listening?

>>11860197
>maybe try to study the field you are listening?

I have. You are one of those moronic modern physics I'm talking about . You are given a set of facts

A=b,b=c, a=/=c

But you can't synthesize the facts well enough to realize it's just bullshit. So you endless pontificate on semantics and metaphysics. It's insipid.

>>11859918
>With math you can prove anything, even imaginary fantasies.
You will only prove it for idiots because what you did was not correct by mathematics. In fact mathematics is too pure logic and errors come because you cannot measure things 100% correctly and people ignore other factors.

>>11859774
This is bait for physicists to jerk off about muh real world by relegating mathematics to language. Mathematics involves language but the study itself is about abstracts objects and deductive systems that can help us reason about those abstract objects. You can’t prove everything to be true given a consistent dedicative system, not everything true has a proof of correctness, and there exists things that cannot be proven true or false in this system. Math is about what we can prove theorems about and the content of those implications, not just the language we use to do it.
Math has an uncanny ability to exactly help describe physics, but this doesn’t mean math is suddenly the language of physics. It means that we shouldn’t be concerned that mathematicians “waaaah aren’t working on real stuff!” If you look at anything from the mid 2010s back, all of that math is applicable to either physics or computer science theory. Number theory was by in large seen to be useless until cryptography and now separation bounds for different problems.

>>11860143
No, mathematics is built from a posteriori experiences but its results are completely true. It does not rely on unprovable assumptions.
You're a fucking idiot and need to stop bringing up pol when it has nothing to do with the conversation.

>>11860327
>It does not rely on unprovable assumptions
but it literally does? the foundation of math are axioms?

>>11859761
mathematics on its own is worthless navel gazing