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What is the highest level of mathematics usually completed by high school students in the United States?

>> No.1178542

>>1178526
Varies between each school.

>> No.1178550

Calculus

>> No.1178551

most complete algebra2
good students will take calculus.

>> No.1178558

x = -b±sqrt(b^2+4*a*c)/2*a

>> No.1178573

>>1178558
thats wrong, its x = -b±sqrt(b^2MINUS4*a*c)/2*a

>> No.1178579

In my experience the kids who aren't into math or don't need it for whatever reason took precalc junior year then stopped. "Smart" kids took calc senior year, some took statistics.

>> No.1178585

I was on the average track at my school and I only got to pre-calculus. I am now a physics major fyi.

>> No.1178588

It depends. The range for seniors is typically Precalc-Calculus 2 (Typically AP). Some will choose to take Statistics (Typically AP, if they're smart enough), and some will choose to take Advanced Topics (cop out, easy A math course. worthless scum). I think only the really advanced students will get to Calculus 2 (I believe the AP course is called Calculus BC?)

>> No.1178594

>>1178573
Might want to add some parentheses in there.
(-b±sqrt(b^2-4*a*c))/(2*a)

>> No.1178610

>>1178558
>>1178551
>most complete algebra2
These guys are referencing probably the worst students. Either that, or they went to really bad high schools.

>> No.1178611

Well, i'm taking all of the math classes that I can in my high school. I'm a junior in pre-calc, and i'm taking AP calc and AP stat next year. So. The highest level would be calcus, considering I could have probably passed stat in my freshman year...

>> No.1178616

It depends. Some only get up to Pre-Calc, Algebra II, or Trigonometry, and some get up to AP Calculus BC (which includes Taylor and McLaurin series, L'Hopital;s rule, etc.).

In extreme cases, it is possible for some students to take dual-enrollment classes at a local community cases if they have already taken AP Calc BC and want to go further. I knew guy who managed to finish Differential Equations with a 97% in his senior year.

>> No.1178619

>>1178611
Delete this post, underage one. I don't want to see you get b&.

>> No.1178632

The average highschool student completes Algebra 1.
The average highschool student who goes on to college completes Pre-Calculus.

>> No.1178640

>>1178632
notsureifeurotroll

>> No.1178643

at my school they must complete algebra 1 to graduate, average students make it to algebra 2.

some go ahead to pre-cal their senior year, some don't make it past algebra 1

AP/honors students usually take calculus their senior year, which is what I'll be doing

>> No.1178645

>>1178610
I went to a good highschool, it just focused on liberal arts and college prep. I still got into chemistry grad school so it didn't hurt me none.

>> No.1178650

>>1178526
Most schools have Calculus. AP Calc AB and BC in some. The academies in my county offer Multivariable Calc, Differential Equations, and Linear Algebra.

>> No.1178659

>>1178645
Meh. Did you go to a School of the Arts or a music school or something like that?

>> No.1178663

>>1178650
What country?

>> No.1178667

>>1178616
Fuck, I need to look over my posts.

>> No.1178699

>>1178663
America. To be more specific, NJ. To be even more specific, North NJ.

>> No.1178701

>>1178659
not really. It was a college prep school with a bunch of liberal parents. Administration knew that the majority of the students would go to private liberal arts colleges so they tailored the curriculum accordingly. Not many went into engineering. even fewer into hard science. lots of phych, sociology, and prelaw.

>> No.1178713

>>1178699
your governor is really sticking it to the teachers union. I loved it when he told that woman she didn't have to teach.

>> No.1178755

i did calculus 1, 2 and 3 in junior year
differentials, multivariable calc and linear algebra senior year.

felt good man, my district separates out the top 2% and lets them do whatever without being slowed down by the retards.

>> No.1178763

>>1178755
sucks if you are only top 5% or are uninspired by school.

>> No.1178810

>>1178699
Fffffuuuuuuuu.... If only ALL of America were like that.

>> No.1178833

>>1178713
Yeah, it really sucks. :-( A lot of programs and scholarships were taken away and financial aid from colleges were also cut. I'm lucky the college I'm attending in the fall is giving me a lot of money. Oh well.

>> No.1178852

>>1178755
Where do you live?

>> No.1178900

>>1178852

washington state.

they put 2% into gifted programs through gradeschool so when we went to junior high we all started in algebra 1/2 in 7th grade. Then in 11th and 12th grades most of us ran out of classes to take at highschool and went to a community college instead (and the school district pays for it); I graduated hs with 110 college credits etc, beats the fuck out of AP.

>> No.1178913

>>1178900
Where did you end up going to college?

>> No.1178921

>>1178900

I'm jealous. I'm taking pre-calc Sophomore year and I want to do what you're doing, but it's not allowed. baaawwwww

>> No.1178928

>>1178921
Err... seriously. Probably not wise to post under the pretense that you're underage.

>> No.1178936

>>1178928

It doesn't matter, I've been here since two years ago; I use to just lurk until /sci/ came out, but it's not important.

I hate living in California, the education system is bullshit.

>> No.1178946

>>1178936
Whatever, dude. I'm not the mod. (Does /sci/ have mods?)

>> No.1178947

most people only get up to trig here, the good ones may go to calc

>> No.1178957

>>1178946

/sci/ doesn't have mods yet, hence all the "hurrrdurr evolution is a theory(a gauss) and immature atheists vs theists threads.

>> No.1178963

Ordinary differential equations

>> No.1178966

The high school I went to was very well-funded and offered a multitude of courses that were far and beyond what the average public school had in their curriculum.

It was required that all students take Algebra I, but three Math credits were required to graduate, so I would say that a student that did poorly in Math or one that was not striving particularly hard would complete Algebra II and Geometry I or Algebra I and Geometry I and II. More Math-savvy students would probably go for Pre-Calc or Calculus and onward.

I've been terrible in Math my entire life, so I took Pre-Algebra in Freshman year, Algebra I in Sophomore year, and Geometry I in Junior year. It's well-documented that I am, indeed, a retard.

>> No.1178967

>>1178913

university of washington

the community college credits are useless if you go to an out of state college so I would only leave the state for stanford or MIT. They both rejected me so I went full ride to UW instead, it was pretty cool. Going to work a couple years and then apply to grad school probably, I might be able to do engineering masters at one of the big schools if I can meet the right people.

>> No.1178985

eqaitions with varyables. like finding out what a b and c are.

a+4=b

our teacher will tell us stuff like b is 6 and then we can find out the a is 3 or whatever lol

that class can be taken in during year 6 i dont think its very hard though i got an A+ in it and my parents payd me 10 dollras to get it hah

>> No.1179004

>>1178967
Ah, cool, I see. Sucks that you were rejected from MIT, though. That *was* my dream school... I'm hoping maybe I can go there for grad.

>> No.1179010

>>1178966

How did you fail math though? Did you have vision problems? I'm kind of a retard, I have an attention deficit hyperactivity disorder due to my shitty vision, and I never paid attention in class.(My vision would get worse immediately after I got glasses, so I never would be able to see shit) Still passed Alg 2 in 9th. Not trying to make you feel bad, but how do people fail math? It's just plugging numbers into equations quickly, that's all it is...

>> No.1179025

>>1178967
FULL scholarship? That's fucking awesome! What was your GPA and what did you do extra? Also, Sat scores please?

>> No.1179029

>>1178967
Go cougs

>> No.1179051

>>1179010
Not the guy you referenced, but:

I think it just stems from the way some people work and think. I know plenty of people who can't do math, despite it being "plugging things into equations" (although, that's a barbaric term for it), for the same reason they can't do chemistry or foreign language. It's hard for them to apply the rules logically. These same people think wonderfully abstractly and produce some of the finest compositions you ever read, or the coolest pieces of abstract art.

It's interesting to think about it, though: in order to be a John Nash-esque mathematician (as in, one who revolutionizes his field), you need to be both a logical and abstract thinker. Super-human mathematician. So, at some levels, people who are perfect at math in high school probably fall apart and end up doing shit for people on Wall St.

>> No.1179087

>>1179051

I'm not sure what you mean by abstract thinker, does that mean looking at things in different ways purposely and solving problems in creative ways?

>> No.1179097

>>1179025

gpa was 3.7 but it was a tough 3.7, they could see on my transcript that I took 30 credits of math calculus level and higher, the full G chem and O chem series, a couple 200 level biology classes etc.

sat was 1400 (750 math, 650 verbal)

also I will note that this was like 6 years ago now, they have reduced admissions so it is harder these days. When I went I didn't even have to write an essay or anything for my application because my gpa and SATs were over some cutoff so I was guaranteed in. The scholarship was a surprise though, it was 5k per year which was almost the entire tuition.

>> No.1179098

in my school the highest math class offered was AP Pre-Calc

>> No.1179119

>>1179010
I've always had trouble with math, even very simple math when I was in elementary school. At about the time when I was learning very basic algebra in elementary school, all of the new education procedures brought about by GWB kept us to a very strict math curriculum that didn't leave any room for me to get help and work at a pace that let me properly consume the information.

Despite my attempts, teachers (and even my own parents) were easily frustrated with me and soon gave up on trying to help me understand the basics of the subject.

From that point on, I was royally fucked and resorted to cheating when it was possible just to stay afloat, which continued through middle school until I moved schools and needed to take a placement exam. Through that, I learned that I had a fourth grade mathematical comprehension level in the tenth grade.

My new school did everything they could to help me, and some of it worked, but I needed excessive help throughout everything beyond pre-algebra. I managed to get my third and final math credit with a B- average, and opted not to take a math credit in Senior year.

Even though I managed, math is still very difficult for me. I try to study my basic multiplication and division tables very frequently to help me remember them, as I still don't even have the basics of math completely down. Math just never stuck with me, and I could only ever remember it long enough to pass a test, and I couldn't comprehend most of it for even that long.

Most people that know me in real life and find out about my math struggle are surprised. I've always excelled in everything else that I've tried, but I've struggled with math ever since 2+2.

>> No.1179124

>>1179097

Dang, you're lucky. I'm guessing you're filthy rich and quite satisfied with your job right now?

>> No.1179132

Most highschools don't go beyond calculus. I don't even think any offer "linear algebra" or "discrete mathematics" even though they offer programming classes of course.

>> No.1179134

>>1178526
Precalculus, usually.

>> No.1179144

Highest level completed by most students: Algebra 2
Highest Level Taught: Calculus 2
Its so sad

>> No.1179164

I went to public school and the highest level offered at the highschool was precalculus. However there was a program that allowed students to continue on and take calculus at the local university.

>> No.1179180

>>1179119

That's strange, maybe it's a memory problem? You sound pretty intelligent. I personally think people understand math in different ways, I have always argued with my teachers because I would always solve problems my way rather than theirs. I was a pretentious little fucker thinking the way I did things was more efficient; I learned their techniques anyway. I failed this year at Spanish though, but I realized it was pretty easy, the only reason I failed was because I didn't understand the basic question words and my roundabout logic made me answer the questions weirdly.

>> No.1179197

>>1179119
That fucking sucks, bro. More blame to give to this country's backwards education system.

>> No.1179210

My school sucks.

Required to take up to: Algebra II (which is almost always taken Junior year)

Most take up to: Algebra II
Some take: Pre-Calculus (only possible senior year unless you took Geometry or Advanced Algebra freshmen year, in which, you take it junior year)

Highest possible: "Beginning Calculus" which is Calc I, not even AP Calc AB. -__-

>> No.1179211

I got to AP Calc, the highest offered in my district

Fresh: Alg 1
Soph: Geometry/ Alg 2
Junior: Trig
Senior: AP Calc AB

>> No.1179226

In my experience it is usually calculus.

>> No.1179228

>>1179197
>More blame to give to this country's backwards education system.

Shifting the responsibility of the blame is the first step to being a redneck nobody.

>> No.1179231

>>1179211

You got to skip pre-calc and you took geometry and alg 2 in the same year? That's pretty awesome.

>> No.1179244

>>1179231

That's how we did it. There was no precalc.

>> No.1179251

>>1179244
Makes me want to skip pre-calc...

>> No.1179260

>>1179124

ballin everyday nigga. actually not really, I live in a shitty apartment and drive a shitty car but I'm saving to buy a house at an incredible rate.

engineering is an awesome field though, i did a couple internships and they both would have paid my tuition if it hadn't been covered already. the top 5% guys in the EE class were even scouted by the big companies and got free cars and 5-6 figure signing bonuses and shit. I wasn't that cool but it wasn't hard to find a job at least.

>> No.1179265

>>1179251
only thing precalc has is parametrics, and maybe limits, but both those are covered again in calc.

>> No.1179266

>>1179231
>>1179244

thats fucking awesome, precalc was probably my least favorite of all the math I have ever taken (a lot).

fucking busy work is all that class was, 60+ problem long assignments of boring repetitive algebra....

>> No.1179277

>>1178594
fucking quadratic root formula. Love that shit

>> No.1179280

>>1179260

Haha, engineer, time to come out of the closet?! Nah, I'm jk. I'm wondering where that gay engineer stereotype came from.

On a more serious note, good luck with buying a large house and working towards building a family and all.

>> No.1179290

>>1179277

Quadratic formula, completing the square, and factoring... Personally, I hated completing the square, so pointless. I mostly did quadratic formula in all problems, was quickest and simplest way.

>> No.1179298

>>1179260
>but it wasn't hard to find a job at least.

Hey man, that's saying a lot in the job market right now, entry level engineering jobs....goo

>> No.1179299

>>1179260
Fellow Washingtonfag here.

Where do you work?

Also, do you live in the Seattle area? If so, buying is a fucking rip-off here bro. I'd honestly rather just rent forever.

>> No.1179309

At my high school, most people finished pre-calc or calculus 1.

Only science/engineering majors would take significantly more math once in college. Most people just took statistics or some shit to fill the requirement for their bachelors.

>> No.1179315

>>1178900

Where in Washington ? Never heard of anything like that here in Clark County ?

And how did you get a full ride at WSU ?

>> No.1179317

If you were extremely talented, you could enroll in an accelerated math program at the university as early as middle school, and complete the the four traditional semesters of calculus -- before junior year..

>> No.1179339

>>1179180
I don't think it's a memory problem. I've always thought myself to have a very good memory, at least in comparison to my mother, who has short-term memory problems. I'm great at remembering things that I've read and heard about. I can remember full conversations I've had, or passages of text for a History or Literature exam.

I believe that my difficulties with math stem more from a stunted ability to comprehend complex directions or a series of applied facts. I'm usually alright if something only has one or two steps to solving the problem, but most math questions involve five or six steps that only belong under certain circumstances, and when the circumstances change, the steps are different, even if it's the same type of question. That's the best way I can describe it.

I've always been better with things that are more "right-brained," like writing stories, or explaining an opinion in the form of an essay. However, I even find writing with excessive steps or limitations to be difficult. "Do this, then do this, and then do this, and ONLY do these things." Circumstances like that throw me off entirely and my writing degrades horribly from it.

I don't know if I'm just simple-minded or what, but the complexities involved with math are most likely the reason for my continued struggle with the subject.

>> No.1179342

Hey, could somebody tell me which level of calculus AP Calculus BC goes up to? 1? 2? 3?

>> No.1179348

>>1179315
He lives in Washington state and went to UW, read the whole thread.

>> No.1179354

>>1179342
BC covers calc 1&2.

>> No.1179356

>>1179342
BC is Calculus 2 I believe.

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>>1179348
He lives in Washington state and went to clown college, read the whole thread.

fix'd

>> No.1179384

>>1179299

telecommuting to intel in oregon currently, living in 1br apartment in greenlake. I just want a nice 2br condo with a balcony facing the water somewhere in eastlake or greenlake, i don't plan on getting married or having a family so don't need anything fancy. the second bedroom would actually be for my cnc lathe and mill and other shop stuff.

you don't get much house for your money in seattle but it does hold its value and I love it here, I can't imagine living anywhere else in the foreseeable future.

>> No.1179391

>>1179379
Cougs fucking suck and WSU isn't even a university, it's a playground for frat shit who want to live in a Seth Rogen movie for 4 years.

Also, see >>1178967

>> No.1179404

>>1179384
How was EE at UW?

Trying to decide between it or ME or Civil. Just finished my first year at BCC (now BC).

>> No.1179413

I remember now, how badly I fucked up during my years in high school. In Freshmen year I was placed in Algebra 2 and I was on track to taking Calculus (BC) my senior year. However I managed to get kicked out of that program despite my high test scores. I did the bare minimum amount of homework and took almost no notes. Laziness really fucked me over. Sophmore year I was placed in some painfully slow Geometry class. Then in this Horrible Alg 2/Trig class. So painful in fact I started teaching myself Calculus just so I won't feel like shit for fucking up so badly. This following year I plan on taking the Calculus AP and hopefully do well on it.

>> No.1179427

Washington-man here
Got screwed out of the smart classes because of elementery school by teacher that hated me

Took CC math in the summer, went on to ap calc bc senior year

>> No.1179435

>>1179379

lol

UWfag here, I visited friends at WSU a couple times and the entire 5 hour drive through forests and open land I could only think about one thing. Why the fuck didn't they just build it here? or here? or here? There are literally hundreds of more convenient places but they built the shit in pullman. fuck that, makes no fucking sense geographically or logistically.

>> No.1179437

>>1179413
If you've been teaching yourself calculus, you should probably be fine. You could always convince them to let you take a comm. college class and skip right to BC.

>> No.1179449

Average student gets through trigonometry. A high level student should get through basic calculus. A high level and self taught student could get through high level multi-variable calculus no problem.

>> No.1179462

7th grade - Pre Algebra, honors or regular
8th grade - Algebra 1, honors or regular
9th grade - Geometry, honors or regular
10th grade - Algebra 2, honors or regular
11th grade - Pre Calculus, honors or regular
12th grade - AP Calculus (either AB or BC,) AND/OR AP Statistics OR nothing.

of the three for 12th grade, level of increasing difficulty goes AP Stat, AB Calc, BC Calc. Some people even double up on Stat and Calc for their senior year.

I went to an independent private school.

>> No.1179474

>>1179404

it was cool. it catches you off guard though if you are used to 4.0ing every class, the average GPA in EE major classes is like 2.4 and you probably won't get a single 4.0 your last 2 years of school.

basically the idea is to go into the major junior year with a 3.6-4.0 and hope you can graduate before it drops too low.

>> No.1179517

>>1178967
I did this (just finished my first year at the UW), except my SAT score wasn't so hot, and my calculus grades were passing but shitty. The CS advisor told me I wouldn't get admitted to the program with my grades. Problem is, with that many credits going in you don't have much breathing room.

I was able to do well enough (~3.8) in Linear Algebra and DE that I think it will offset my calculus grades, but if I could go back and do things again, I would have just stuck with high school. I'm not even sure why I did RS in the first place.

>> No.1179548

Differential Equations for me

>> No.1179551

>>1179435

> Why the fuck didn't they just build it here? or here? or here?

Because

> UWfag

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1179569

11" x 8.5" squared by triangularly folded to be 8.5 x 8.5 and 2.5 x 8.5 compared into percentages of each other not ever being rounded off.

>> No.1179572

Calculus AB. Atleast at my school

>> No.1179585

>>1179462

At the public schools I've seen, that's usually the honors level curriculum. The normal one is just that shifted so that Pre-Calculus ends on Senior year. They wouldn't dare force kids to take an AP class.

>> No.1179597

Usually? I'd guess Algebra

I completed Calculus AB, but there was a Calculus BC class too.

Calc I and Calc II in most universities.

>> No.1179620

>>1179517

If you really want to do CS you probably can, you can apply up to 3 times and they do take into account extracurricular stuff. there's a place in wallingford that rebuilds computers and sends them to africa or some shit that you could do volunteering.

Also if you can get a job anywhere related that would be good too, I was able to get a job by just indiscriminately sending my resume to all the local engineering places. Scored a position soldering wire bundles at avtech, shit was pretty cash.

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1179643

Algebra II or the district's equivalent course. (Math Models here in Texas.) That's the minimum you need for a diploma, and what the majority of students (who aren't college-bound) finish with.

There were some statistics recently released regarding this. I'll see if I can dig them up if this thread is still going tomorrow morning. (I'm a teacher.)

>> No.1179659

BC Calc is the highest at my school.

>> No.1180163

I'm going to be taking AP Cacl BC my senior year. Its going to be fucking awesome. The norm would be Pre-calc though.

>> No.1180195

diff eq and linear algebra, both year long courses at my high school

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>>1178610
We are referencing the average. MOST American students finish high school with Algebra II at the most. Many districts even have another even LOWER level course than will allow students to opt out of Algebra II, teaching only practical, every day life applications of mathematics.

I know it's temping to post a million replies of what YOU took in high school, but the OP's question was not about what some overachieving anon completed. He asked the US average, and that's Algebra II at the most.

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1181032

Lux Sit

WSU is the hick part of the USA.

>> No.1181039

>>1181032
Excuse me, WSU is the hick part of the north west.

>> No.1181045

>>1180466
I was on the mid-tier math track in my HS and I took pre-calc.

>> No.1181061

>>1181032
>Lux Sit
>Sux it

GO COUGS!

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1181077

I
The Assyrian came down like the wolf on the fold,
And his cohorts were gleaming in purple and gold;
And the sheen of their spears was like stars on the sea,
When the blue wave rolls nightly on deep Galilee.
Like the leaves of the forest when Summer is green,
That host with their banners at sunset were seen:
Like the leaves of the forest when Autumn hath blown,
That host on the morrow lay withered and strown.

II
For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he pass'd,
And the eyes of the sleepers wax'd deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!
And there lay the steed with his nostril all wide,
But through it there roll'd not the breath of his pride;
And the foam of his gasping lay white on the turf,
And cold as the spray of the rock-beating surf.

III
And there lay the rider distorted and pale,
With the dew on his brow, and the rust on his mail:
And the tents were all silent, the banners alone,
The lances unlifted, the trumpets unblown.
And the widows of Ashur are loud in their wail,
And the idols are broke in the temple of Baal;
And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord!

>> No.1181111

What my school used to do was have the gifted/some honors kids take Geometry (9th), Algebra 2(10th), Precal or Adv Alg&Trig, then Calc AB/BC or Stat. The Trig kids could only take stat, but I know of a few people who take calc bc and stat. Additionally, the normal students would take algebra 1 through Adv Alg and Trig.

Of course, things have changed substantially now, so that the gifted students can possibly take calc bc in their junior year and then go to Georgia Tech to take math the following year. Thank god I've graduated, so I don't have to deal with that.

>> No.1181152

OP the highest usually is Calc BC (integrals and stuff), I finished Calc BC Junior year and took calc 3 and statistics my senior year, I wish they went higher though

>> No.1181164

Wow... this thread really destroyed all the stereotypes I believed about American high schools.

On my school (eastern Europe) the hardest thing we had were simple integrals (polynomials and trig).

>> No.1181180

>>1181164
My view of Eastern Europe is dirty, ugly women and retarded guys wearing track suits. This probably isn't true either, is it?

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>>1181045
Yeah, I was on mid tier because I didn't want to take fucking Spanish and testing out of German AND Japanese was good enough for UT but apparently not good enough for Shitfuck, Texas High School.

The point is that you didn't HAVE to take precal, and on average, most American students do not.

>> No.1181194

>>1181180
well... We're in the EU so that's not true about us... but it's pretty much correct about shitholes like Romania. So I can't say no.

>> No.1181195

Heheeh entering Multi-Variable Calc as a Junior.

FEELS GOOD, MAN

>> No.1181196

I got to Calculus BC for the AP exam, which was basically one-dimensional calculus and arc lengths and crap like that.

Before that was Algebra II / Trig, I think. Not too exciting.

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>>1181185
Not even the distinguished/honors plans require anything above College Algebra. All the precal/calculus classes I teach give college credit.

>> No.1181235
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>>1181225
Whoops, I mean Algebra II. I fucking hate this adjunct moonlighting shit.

>> No.1181258

I'm currently in grade school and we finished Trigonometry and algebra 2 last year, and we have 1 more year of grade school to go
Not american here

>> No.1181270

>>1181194
Well then in fairness your views about American high schools are probably true for shithole inner city high schools.

>> No.1181291

My school had both AP calc and statistics, but only two years were required in math to graduate. So most students would take seriously retarded classes. Literally adding and subtracting simple fractions was as far as they got.

Needless to say, there was a huge range at my school.

>> No.1181294

what are you nerds doing taking anything beyond retard calculus in highschool? seriously. kill yourselves.

I had the choice of taking some retard ap calc class my senior year or discrete math. discrete was fun & I didn't have to study. fuckin nerds.

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>>1181294
To me, it's sorta awful if it doesn't give college credit. So then you get to uni and test into WAY harder math, but I usually recommend they they go back and start taking the lowest that will count towards whatever degree they're going for, or do credit by exam.

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>>1181294
Though I wouldn't call it "retarded" if it's AP. Those retards get a semester of college out of the way while in HS while you're sitting around doing HERP DERP FUN MATH.

>> No.1181511

Canadian student here.
In 12th grade I did derivative, limits, combinations/permutations.

Dont ask me why that last one was part of the program.

>> No.1181519

>>1181294
>Implying calculus isn't fun.
>Implying you're not a retard.

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New Zealander here, in the final year of highschool I took:
Mathematics with calculus
Statistics and modeling

The former entailed differential equations, integration, conics and algebra(real and complex).
While the latter was so fucking easy i nearly offed myself every fucking period, my teacher looked like fucking yogibear crossed with a fat paedophile.

>> No.1181575

>>1178645
>>1178645
>>1178645
>>1178645
>>1178645
>>1178526
lol faggot detected

>> No.1181579

>>1181538
differential equations or differential calculus?

>> No.1181582

Usually completed? I think the bare minimum is Trig + Precalc

>> No.1181583

>>1181579
Differential calculus sorry, so used to typing differential equations.

>> No.1181594

My school was very math science orientated with all three levels of AP Physics... (You would have to skip a year of math to take them all though).

Also my school offered

8th: Algebra I CP/H
9th: Geometry CP/H (by far the hardest math class for me I've ever taken)
10th: Algebra II CP/H
11: Math Analysis (Pre Calc) CP/H
12: Stat AP/ Calc I AP or II AP or III AP

You would have to skip a year of math to take Calc II or skip 2 yrs to take Calc III your senior year

I skipped Pre Calc and took Calc I AP junior year then Calc II AP and Stat AP senior year.

There is only one class a year of students taking Calc III AP and its usually no more than 12 students.

I ending up taking Calc III at a local university before going to MIT.

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>>1181225

The thread has been answered. This is the bare minimum pretty much everywhere, and the average. The fact is that most students aren't going to take higher levels maths, and that they AREN'T college-bound.

>> No.1182642

>>1181594
There is no Calc III AP.
I went to a public school in an upscale neighborhood and the default path ended with Calculus (not AP, but went by the Calc AP AB Curric) and the "advanced" curriculum was Calc AP BC, and then there was Stats (AP) or you could stop at Pre Calc (retard math first year of high school).

Needless to say, its probably radically different in the inner city, where 80% of america goes.

>> No.1182814

Damn, this thread is still alive? Good on you, guys.

>> No.1182906

I went to a private school with some pretty heavy tuition. The path I, myself followed was this:
Geometry
Algebra 2 with Trigonometry (It was an advanced course, actually, so you didn't have to take the actual Trig course)
Precalculus with Trigonometry (Dumb, because it was basically a review of Algebra 2 with Trig for half a year)
Calculus BC AP (Took a Calculus course at the Comm. College and skipped AB)
Taking Calc. 3 this summer at Comm. College.

Most kids I was friends with basically went Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra 2, and then Precalculus along with a semester of Trigonometry.

>> No.1182911

AP calc BC, suckas

>> No.1183047

hey, i have a question

whats the huge difference between AP Calc AB and BC? i heard its just an extension and that everything covered in AB is covered in BC

is this true? or is it a bad idea to skip AB like >>1182906

>> No.1183085

Its not too bad if you're willing to dedicate a little more time. It just starts out further in the material than AB does. Are you a bad enough dude?

>> No.1183120

>>1183085
im really good at math. i think i can do it

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>>1183047
Home from work. If you're still around, I DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT recommend this. And why bother? If you're talking AP, it's just more credit you can rack up. Skipping courses tends to mess with your foundations, and they need to be solid if you're going on to science/mathematics in university.

>> No.1185147

I finished Calculus 1, but on average I think people complete Precalculus.

>> No.1185192

AP Calc but high school calc is retarded compared to college calc.

got a 4 on calc ab test and just barely got a D in calc II in college, that shit is ridiculous

>> No.1185209

pre calc here, easy as pie

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>>1185147
That's not the question you cumguzzling douche. I already answered it this morning. I guess I'll have to elaborate.

I'm a teacher in fairly good high school in Texas. I actually have a BA in education along with the herf derf math, so this is my area of expertise. The bare minimum to complete HS in the United States is Algebra II, or the state/district's equivalent course. (Here it's "Math Models," very practical every day math.)

New statistics were printed VERY recently (though I can't fucking find them, spic janitor must have thrown them out) regarding what American students complete, and the overwhelming majority do not go past Algebra 2. This is because even the highest graduation plans in the US only require Algebra II.

MOST schools I've been to (minus the inner city shithole I volunteered at while going to UH) offer Calculus as AP courses. This means that they give college credit, and that's the only reason most students would bother to go past Algebra II.

Everything above Algebra II is geared toward university-bound student, which the majority of the US sadly is not.

>> No.1185278

>>1185246
A Texas math teacher posting Cirno? I assume this is Cirno's Perfect Math Class....


Carry on.

>> No.1185289

adding and substracting.

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>>1185278
I have a very small Cirno on my desk under my monitor, and only one student in the last 3 years has noticed her. He expertly concealed his power level all year, but wrote "EYE AM THE SMARTEST" on his final before he turned it in.

Got an A.

>> No.1185395

>>1185310
damn man that's taking stealth weaboo to the next level. You have my respect.

>> No.1185409

Tennessee math teacher, what the fuck Texas? All students not on the technical school-bound track must complete one math higher than Algebra II, be it Precal, Trig, or Statistics.

>> No.1185560

My school has this lame-assed class called Math Studies, for losers who don't feel like achieving much. Its very popular apparently, because it's really just using Algebra 2 and a bit of Trig in "real-life" applications. Really just the easy way out.
Most of my friends and I do calc though. Its the only way to really go anywhere.

>> No.1185656

Question for americans: What level of rigor do you work at in high school math? Do you show proofs and have proper definitions?

>> No.1185659

Go fuck yourself.

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>>1185409
TX and TN's plans were changed recently enough that your current students are grandfathered in. These won't be required to walk until 2013.

I have fucking distinguished plan students in my Alg 2 summer school class.

>> No.1185798

>>1185656

yes

>> No.1185846

>>1185656

I only took up through precalculus/trig in hs (skipped the last two years of high school and went to college instead) but the teacher derived all of the basics of riemann sums, the trig laws, and all that shit in front of us for the lectures and then our homework was doing problems based assuming all of this was true.

From what I know about math classes in europe I believe we do far fewer proofs etc here.

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>>1185793
American curriculum in general involved far fewer proofs and whatnot. It's a little easier. :3

>> No.1185885

In Ontario, Canada... It's Calculus normally. (up to trig/log derivatives)

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>>1185873
No one gives a shit.

>> No.1185926

>>1185310

I would have totally done that, I just finished Alg 2 this Freshman year. Your school sounds awesome, I want to take advanced math classes at a community college, but my school allow it. Apparently, they don't think getting A's despite being blind and being to lazy to pay attention is not good enough. I would have totally paid attention if I was in front, but no, PUT THE GODDAMN BLIND KID WITH ADHD IN THE BACK. Still got a A , so whatever.

>> No.1185941

>>1185926

Wow, my grammar was piss off bad in that post. Guess I got a little rage, let me revise that.

I would have totally done that, I just finished Alg 2 this Freshman year. Your school sounds awesome, I want to take advanced math classes at a community college, but my school won't allow it. Apparently, they don't think getting A's despite being blind and too lazy to pay attention is not good enough. I would have totally paid attention if I was in front, but no, PUT THE GODDAMN BLIND KID WITH ADHD IN THE BACK. Still got a A , so whatever.

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>>1185926
You mad because you have a made up disorder? If you actually have a visual impairment and they didn't seat you in the front, the school can get in -deep- shit.

At the beginning of every semester, I get a folder that tells me which students need to be accommodated, and if I ignore one of these requests, I am held personally responsible. If a student requests to be seating in front and I ignore it, he can take it to a counselor and it's my ass.

Also, you are within your rights to take a high school equivalency test and be concurrently enrolled in a community college. Your school CANNOT tell you no, and even if they (for whatever reason) don't accept the credit from the college, the university of your choice WILL, and they'll see you as an intrinsically motivated kid willing to challenge himself.