/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11858336
Spaceflight doesn't exist.

rockets dont work in a vacuum
there is NOTHING wrong with the pendulum rocket

Is this most dangerous rocket ever designed and worked on?

Exclusive footage from yesterdays launch on the barge

>>11857832
>>11857864
Psyche is super neat. I think we saw enough stony/carbonaceous asteroids to know more or less what they look like, but this one is pretty much pure iron-nickel, so it's guaranteed to be surprising

>>11857810
Pan is cute

>>11858348
Financially, no. Starship will destroy a multi billion dollar industry the instant it reaches orbit.

>>11855371
>>11855401
>>11856939

>>11858358
End this man's suffering already, Flex tape him on the next FH Launch.

>>11858346
>there is NOTHING wrong with the pendulum rocket
unironically though

>>11858370
SpaceX ninjas must delay or ultimately prevent this mission at all costs. Finding life on the surface will fuck everything up

post LES escape systems

haha superdraco go WHOOOSH

>>11858456
>Launch escape escape

>>11858489
we caught one bros

>One report describes the crew as "infuriated" that Mission Control seemed unconcerned.[10][11] When Commander Gibson saw the damage he thought to himself, "We are going to die",[2] and did not believe that the shuttle would survive reentry; if instruments indicated that the shuttle was disintegrating, he planned to "tell mission control what I thought of their analysis" in the remaining seconds before his death.[1] Upon landing, the magnitude of the damage to the shuttle astonished NASA; over 700 damaged tiles were noted, and one tile was missing altogether. The missing tile had been located over the steel mounting plate for the L-band antenna, perhaps preventing a burn-through of the sort that would ultimately doom Columbia in 2003.[8]
lol

>>11858456
post NTR thermal rockets

>>11858456

>>11858520
why did you say ntr thermal rockets, that is like saying nuclear thermal rocket therm rockets

>>11858524
Maybe it’s a new tech that uses the heat from radioactive decay to propel entire engines out of the exhaust

>>11858524
>not wanting a cuckold powered rocket

>>11858532
SLS exists though (allegedly)

I think I just invented a new class of spacecraft in the shower. It's got enough surplus electric power output and payload margin that you can add Hall thrusters or a plasma magnet sail for supplementary acceleration, and requires no onboard nuclear power. Hell, inside the Belt it requires nothing but the sun and some LH2.

I call it the ArcMoth.

To make an ArcMoth, you start with a regular old Solar Moth design like pic related, using concentrated sunlight to heat LH2 up to a few thousand degrees and kick it out the back of your rocket.

>>11858571
Next, you do to the solar moth engine what the Serpent (pic related) does to solid core NTR. You replace direct heating of the exhaust with a closed cycle Stirling engine to generate electricity and fill battery banks, as well as contact heating the exhaust. Compensate by making the moth mirrors a bit bigger so you still get the same temperature applied to your LH2.

will they start flying customers this year?

>>11858591
If you don't care about going further out than Mars, you're done there, since you'll have a solar moth with massively higher Isp at the same thrust for a small weight penalty. If you do want to reach deeper into the dark, add a smaller secondary collimating mirror (pic related) so you can use beamed power where sunlight isn't enough to drive the heat engine. Reflecting heat is a hell of a lot more efficient than photovoltaics so this doesn't need to weigh very much either.

>15 launches scheduled for july
That's a launch every other day...

>>11858606
If you replace the little ion rockets in this picture with ArcMoths, that's basically the future this gives you, and all you need to expand out to the gas giants is one resupply port on one ice moon per planet. Water, oxygen, LH2, and a beamed power station of less than 1GWe per ship plus transmission losses.

The advantage of this setup is that you still get a very decent delta-V budget (especially if the plasma magnet sails work!) with no flimsy physical sails or onboard reactors, which means governments won't be screeching about civilians hauling nukes around the solar system, which means working class or at least middle class space pilots are go.

>>11858518
Holy fuck I hate the shittle so much, what a gigantic turd that almost killed spaceflight entirely.

>>11858645
Thank God the shuttle did kill spaceflight so it could be reborn as something better

>>11858456

How would a LES work on a crewed spaceplane like the shuttle?

Anyone still interested in the idea of putting sea monkeys in space?

>>11858656
Shuttle was originally designed with the idea for crew cabin to be able to detach and parachute down, but I think it got scrapped because it wouldn’t work with the shape of the external tank and SRB’s next to it.
The early shuttle missions had ejection seats but the test pilot astronauts said it was worthless. The ejection batches were small as fuck and I don’t think it would really save you.
Other than that, the shuttle COULD detach and abort to orbit or abort to a runway but you’re still basically fucked if the SRB’s go boom.
Finally I don’t think Starship will have a LES.

>>11858337
The sockets never even penetrate the Ice Wall.

>>11858659
>but you’re still basically fucked if the SRB’s go boom.
Ares 1 having an LES was hilarious by that standard.

>>11858659
So much of what SS has going for it is simplicity and ease of manufacture. I believe having to rethink the whole shell, which you'd basically have to do for a decent LES, would explode costs too much to fit within the reasonable limits of the program.

>>11858665
Its going to have full fuel tanks so I don't see why they couldn't just detach the starship from super heavy, retro burn to kill delta v and put down somewhere in the ocean, it should definitely float long enough for a boat to come and get the passengers.

>>11858663
I think Ares would be different. Because the SRB is underneath you, a launch escape system might still work. Shuttle sucked because you had what was essentially two bombs sitting next to you sandwiching a huge tank of flammable hydrogen and oxygen.
>>11858665
Yeah I mean SS will (hopefully) be one of the most reliable rockets ever built. IF, however, something went wrong with the first stage Elon might as well have a system in place where the second stage detaches and it fires its raptor engines at max thrust to try and get away. Like if you’re already fucked you might as well try to save yourself anyways

>>11858518
>vehicle has no solar panels and no ability to survive until next vehicle comes up
>mandatory crew that does literally nothing

>>11858518
>He thought to himself, "We are going to die"

I would assume this is a common reaction to riding on space equipment built by government contractors.

>SN5 had a major failure after its test
are they going to repair it and try again or just go straight to SN6?

>>11858672
Because if something goes wrong, it all blows up
There is no point thinking about any slow detachment
Crew for the starship should be in its own front capsule that can escape

>>11858730
>Because if something goes wrong, it all blows up

Not entirely true, a liquid rocket failure, even a catastrophic one is very very slow in comparison to the solid rocket instanuke and the fireball will be very unlikely to damage starship asuming it can jettison and ignite it's raptors away from the booster.

>>11858736
Agreed, I already said this earlier but I want to repeat it: if you’re in a starship and your liquid first stage is already in the process of exploding, why not at least TRY to detach using your raptors firing at max thrust. Like why just throw in the towel and accept your fate? Sure it would be a slow launch escape system, hell it might not even work. But why not at least TRY to pull yourself away and keep 100 people alive

>>11858736
I think you could land it on the drone ship intended for Super Heavy to land on, but I’m not sure how the AI would work for that

Do you enjoy low-budget but atmospheric oldspace documentaries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxv51-E6PvA

>>11858743
Because engines have a start up process that isn’t just “.ignite?”

>>11858518
>>11858645
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>>11858712
Actually what happened was the person in charge Linda Ham, decided against the engineers decision of looking at the tile that was damaged from foam striking it. They were going to photograph potential damage so they could analyse whether they should do something or not (for safety).

Linda Ham decided not to do it and it ended up costing the lives of the crew.

>>11858754
They are pretty much instantaneous anon.

>>11858752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhLkDOEPWzA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgYrj5zJAKQ

>>11858754
Yes they quite literally instantly ignite. You don’t get max thrust right away, but they can ignite on a dime, and build up thrust

>>11858536
Hey now. Top theoretical physicists have still not made a definite decision on the existence of SLS.>>11858571

>>11858727
what major failure? do you mean SN4?

>>11858645
>>11858755
Here is the CAIB investigation for anyone who wants to read more
https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/archives/sts-107/investigation/CAIB_medres_full.pdf

>>11858781
SN5 crumpled last night

>>11858785
SN5 is fine, sitting on the pad right now

>>11858785
what are you talking about? The test went well and now they're preparing to install a Raptor

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/06/starship-sn5-test-campaign/

>>11858785
I just watched the footage and it's totally fine, boing FUD department please leave.

What if all space companies hired snipers to take out competitors

>>11858793

>>11858785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QbM7Vsz3kg nigger

>>11858800
that is normal with stainless steel

>the Pentagon canceled funding for 6 small sat launchers
>rumors are that the contracts were canceled because of transparency issues
The 6 launch companies were Aevum, Astra, X-Bow, Rocket Lab, Space Vector and Virgin Orbit.
https://spacenews.com/dod-withdraws-defense-product-act-small-launch-contract-awards/

>>11858800
>smooths out during cryo test
>relaxes back
This is not a collapse, this is just elon's junkyard at work

>>11858810
>Literally who's

Sad about rocketlab though, but if they want to keep their head in the game they need to start developing a bigger launcher, starship is going to crush their busines model practically overnight, even Falcon 9 rideshare is already a serious competitor.

>>11858810
All of the small sat launchers I recognize are on that list lol, who are they funding now?

>>11858817
That’s just how metal behaves goin from 40 Celsius in the sun down to -200

>>11858810
>The 6 launch companies were Aevum, Astra, X-Bow, Rocket Lab, Space Vector and Virgin Orbit.
Except for rocket lab, literlly who?

>>11858832
Virgin Orbit is the sister company of Virgin Galactic, but instead of launching joyrides from planes, they launch smallsat rockets. No idea about the others tho.

Astra is the company behind the Alaska rocket.

>>11858855
Ouch. There goes Alaska's space economy.

cheap hyperspectral imagers when?

>>11858855
Which apparently didn't work out so hot, it got some push here back when it was about to launch but I never followed up on it

Also i really enjoy this
>Two suborbital test flights were conducted in 2018 from Pacific Spaceport Complex – Alaska (PSCA): one on 20 July 2018 (Rocket 1.0), and one on 29 November 2018 (Rocket 2.0). Both were believed to be launch failures. However, Astra stated that both were successful and the second one was "shorter than planned".
The ol' shorter-than-planned flight

next launch is in 24 hours

>>11858887
what launch

>>11858892
chinese, earth observation sat

>>11858673
>Because the SRB is underneath you, a launch escape system might still work.
>detach from SRB to abort
>SRB still keeps going, for a while at least
>pop the chute
>SRB finally explodes into a shower of burning rubber cinders
>cinders land on chute and set it on fire

>>11858904
>boost 10 miles away
>pop chute at 1000 meters
It’s not the 70s anymore

>>11858830
Nah, it's how metal behaves when containing multiple bars of pressure vs not

>>11858904
There’s been a recent increase in hank hill posting and it keeps making me laugh. Propalox engines when?

>>11858936
PropaNO2 soon. Cryogenic free orbit!

Can't wait for super cheap starship rideshares so we can finally make a 4ASS satellite on the cheap. Something that pisses of rebbit is a must have feature.

>>11858963
>swastika satellite constellation

>>11858964
Swastikas would be funny but I think we can be more subtle and cunning than that to avoid the ire of the regulatory agencies.

>>11858958
>teleports behind you
>makes all your NOS decompose
nothing personal, kid

>>11858963
>>11858980
Add a miniature "crew capsule" with lewd anime figmas in tiny spacesuits. Between that and a 4ASS logo on the side of the booster they'd be furious.

>>11858963
I'm still a fan of twitch plays astrobiology.

OMG the look on plebbitors' faces when we put a nazi frog lewd anime 4chan cubesat filled with sea monkeys on a twitch stream in orbit is gonna be PRICELESS.

>>11858980
>"N" satellite constellation

>>11858992
If tweaked out ricers can avoid blowing up N2O and NO2 cans I'm sure /sfg/ can.

>>11859089

>ULA announced in September 2018 its selection of the BE-4 as Vulcan’s main engine. The vehicle was projected to make its first launch in 2020 but engine delays set ULA back.

>According to sources, frustration has been mounting at ULA as the company’s future is tied to the success of Vulcan Centaur and there is no room for error when it comes to the main engine.

yikes

>>11859116
>the company’s future is tied to the success of Vulcan Centaur and there is no room for error when it comes to the main engine
My God, did Bezos intentionally delay the BE-4 to drive ULA out of business?

>>11859129
BEZOS CONFIRMED FOR MASTER MIND. He knows he can delay his rocket for infinite amount of years with his billions of yearly infusion into his company. ULA can't.

>amazon's choice engines

fuck bezos

A serious question: who was the first homosexual in space? Was it Sally Ride or was there someone before?

>>11859137
>nobody
>0%
Based and optimism-pilled.

>>11859142

>rewatch falcon heavy test flight
>tfw no bubbly thicc black gf

>>11859137

Will Musk actually do it? The future of Mars is really fucking odd.

We have a massive controlling State with the population of one billion vs a billionare. If Musk arrive and settle on Mars and China follows, who will be able to protect Musk's colonists? Chinese colonists will be there only to claim land for Jinping.

>>11859159
>China going to Mars

Lol let me know when they do a moon mission

>>11859159
If US doesn't project its interest towards Mars as Musk lands, then Musk may declare independence. Taxation without representation.

>>11859184
Trump has been consistently pro Mars all the way back to his inauguration, so Elon really needs to hit that 2022 launch synod.

>>11859171
Don’t they have a rover on the far side?

>>11859188
There's Biden to worry about possibly. His policy is not unclear and he hasn't elucidated what his plans are.

New KSP2 images

>>11859115
Dangerously based

>>11859201
>>11859203
>>11859204
>Images from a game that will never be released

Stop cockteasing me

>>11859210
No proof it will never be released.

>>11859148

I appreciate the giggle. Are they making catty comments about Alexei's balding?

>>11859115
>>11859014
>>11858980
>>>/pol/

>>11859203
>>11859204
bro how hard can it be to just ctrl c atmospheric shaders from scatterer

>>11859201
>>11859203
>>11859204
Stop making me want to play KSP. It's late and I'm shit at career mode.

>>11859215
Seethe

>>11859213
>He hasn't been paying attention

Enjoy your crushing disappointment

why does the oberth effect exist

>>11859236
>He’s lying anonymously on the Internet

Enjoy the cock in your mom’s ass frogposter

>>11859201
>retextures of command pods from KSP 1
>recolored 2.5m monoprop tank that was replaced with an updated model a couple versions ago
I really hope that's just placeholder art. I can't imagine why they'd keep models that were considered too outdated for the current version of the game.

>>11859204
Not sure how much I like the layout. I feel the navigation ball should and time speed should switch places.

>>11859204
>seven core SSTO
what the fuck

>>11859278
>Why does a capsule based on a historical capsule resemble a capsule based on the same historical capsule from another game?

>>11859254
Seethe harder my dude

>>11859145
where can I find this sort of art?

>>11859321
the 1970s

>>11859313
Seethe harder my dude

>>11858456
Why would you need to escape from your launch escape system?

>>11859330
Because you realise that you are riding a boeing capsule and need to gtfo asap.

>>11859329
oof, just copeposting now.

>>11859195
Failed

>>11859304
>resemble
Nah, the models I mentioned are literally ported in with different textures. What’s weird to me is the fact that at least 2 of the parts shown were removed from KSP 1 and replaced with higher quality models that fit the newer art style. Maybe it’s just an easy way for them to increase the part count, but it’s pretty lazy.

>>11859358
>Nah, the models I mentioned are literally ported in

You must be a developer yourself to know this.

>upper stage ignition failure
>capsule gets slammed into an 11g reentry downrange
how often does this happen irl

>>11859369
I guess they could’ve remade the deprecated parts 1:1 for some reason, keeping their outdated designs unchanged, but that makes even less sense. I’ve been autistically following KSP and its modding community for quite some time, and those parts stood out to me immediately.

>>11859358
they forked the assets from an earlier version, it has an older poodle and terrier too

>just discovered you can rotate parts in the VAB with wasd after years of playing ksp and rotating every single part with the rotation wheel manually
jesus christ my life is fucking ruined bros

>>11859278
I haven't played the game in years so I don't think those parts were in the game when I played - but with a fresh pair of eyes they look perfectly acceptable for a new game. Not sure what you're complaining about.

>>11859201
>>11859203
>>11859204
Will KSP2 use a proper engine that isn't dogshit like Unity? Will it lag like shit when rockets get even a little large?

>>11859630
hehehhehehehehhe

>>11859634
Welp, there goes my interest in that turd.

>>11859630
If only you knew how bad things really are

>>11859630
>dogshit like Unity
Well, technically it's only dogshit when the devs are dogshit, but that's 99,9% of its developer base.

>nuclear space plane
The true dream of mankind.

NSWR spaceplanes when?

hydrofluor sstos when?

Nuclear pulse propelled interplanetary warship when?

>>11859735
>sstos
never
ssto is nothing more than a remnant of 20th century science fiction

Next, we will invest more than $3 billion to conduct research on an advanced "heavy lift rocket"—a vehicle to efficiently send into orbit the crew capsules, propulsion systems, and large quantities of supplies needed to reach deep space. In developing this new vehicle, we will not only look at revising or modifying older models; we want to look at new designs, new materials, new technologies that will transform not just where we can go but what we can do when we get there. And we will finalize a rocket design no later than 2015 and then begin to build it. And I want everybody to understand: That's at least two years earlier than previously planned—and that's conservative, given that the previous program was behind schedule and over budget.

what sort of bandwidth can we get to mars
how long is to gonna take to download HD martian porn

>China is likely to select a third batch of astronauts in July, adding to groups chosen in 1998 and 2009.
>For the first time, civilians have been able to apply, with science and engineering backgrounds wanted for the upcoming space station project.

>On July 1, 2010, the NASA administrator, Charles Bolden, said in an interview with al-Jazeera: "When I became the Nasa administrator, he [Mr Obama] charged me with three things. One, he wanted me to help reinspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."[22][23]
BASED

What do Russian Cosmonauts on the ISS do all day? (Other than be jealous of the much more spacious Freedom segment). It doesn't seem like there's enough research space to keep them fully occupied.

>>11859787
have sexual relations with the female astronauts

>>11859573
Yeah, it’s such an odd design decision, especially considering how much better the new parts have been.

>>11859573
Throwing assets over isn't exactly hard work when they're working in the same engine. It's the code that matters.

>>11858810
>Rocket Lab
Are you kidding me? Just when I started to give a fuck about them...

how hard can it be for boeing to just stop fucking everything up?

>>11859864
This isn't on rocket lab's or any of the other providers asses. It's on the government for not providing proper transparency in the process.

>>11859734
>>11859735
When we invent practical contragravitic propulsion

>>11859898
>contragravitic propulsion
But we already have that, all rockets work against gravity with their thrust.

Manitowac 18000 status: fully erect

>>11859244
because of gravity

>>11859963
but how

>>11859973
if your orbit is irregular, you will be going slower on your apogee, so when you start moving towards the perigee, you start picking up speed because of the orbital height difference, so you move faster at perigee

>>11859973
Its one of the quirks of orbital mechanics. Any burn applied at the greatest possible initial velocity will do the most work. In the case of the Oberth Effect, they're doing it at the lowest altitude (and consequently highest velocity) in a spacecraft's elliptical orbit around a body.

>>11859973
The closer you are to a gravity well, the faster you are falling towards it, so it's merely a matter of using the kinetic energy of that speed the most efficiently in concert with your engine.

Why didn't we just do this?
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa4f7h

>>11860009
>Shuttle Derived
Why don't we not.

>>11860012
I mean, why didn't we just start building that ten years ago while we had all the hardware in place to launch them?

>>11860021
Because it's Yet Another Shuttle Derived Turd and it wouldn't be finished any more today than SLS is.
Remember why SLS was picked? "We have all the parts! It's going to be cheap!"

>>11859578
wait till you find out you can duplicate parts by alt-clicking

>>11859958
>oF, miles, inches, Hg
>mixing 12h and 24h time
No wonder burgers are perpetually confused.

Is this where Elon Musk lives now?

>>11859201
I hope it's good but have serious concerns about a mainstream publisher making the sequal to a game only an indie studio would ever attempt in the first place.
Big studios market to normies, indies can make what they actually want to make without worrying about mainsteam appeal.

Heres hoping they atleast improve mod support and don't do some stupid DRM bullshit that limits what mods can fuck with.

near the end of this month space warping aerospace tech will make its public debut, ushering in a golden age of space exploration and colonization decades earlier than we expected.

>>11860088
checked

>>11860088
>Double dubs
You better not be lying

>>11860110
screencap him so we can mock him for being a charlatan and a fraud on August 1st.

>>11860150
I'm not lying.

If the fusion company i'm keeping an eye on can deliver in the next few years,then the two technologies combined will make spaceships that big, unaerodynamic blocks of metal that can SSTO effortlessly 100% possible. Even assuming the tech can't be used to go FTL,it's a space propeller that "pushes" against the fabric of spacetime itself that will enable the colonization and exploitation of the solar system on an industrial scale and radically transform humanity. Liberation awaits.

Old space seething...lol

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-space/2020/07/02/lockheed-spacexs-dragon-cant-go-to-the-moon-489696

>>11860179
They aren't wrong, that is why SpaceX should get the Dragon 3 done by the end of the year.

>>11860176
>If the fusion company i'm keeping an eye on can deliver in the next few year
Reminder that there's a difference between optimism and buying a meme wholesale

>>11860179
>“It’s this capability, the ability to handle the ‘unknown unknowns’ built literally from the ground up, that sets Orion apart as humanity’s first ‘exploration class’ spaceship.”
I'm looking forward to posting this quote when Starship beats Orion to launch

>>11860191
>sinking dev effort into anything but starship
literally retarded
no reason they couldn't bring a dragon to the moon anyway, it just makes no sense

>>11860204
You need more shielding beyond LEO but Starship should be the focus, I was joking.

>>11860176
What company?

>>11860204
Shielding. It needs a redesign for that shit and that will make it heavier and put it through another round of rigorous rating testing.
That said, Elon should just yeet one around the moon with a FH to shut them the fuck up and be done with it.

>>11860209
Helion energy. ARPA-E funded,this is the most recent official statement about their program's progress.

https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/ALPHATeamPanel1_DavidKirtley.pdf

The concept is unprecedented in its power to weight ratio, a device on the scale of a shipping container can produce as much power as 30 massive wind turbines going at full tilt.

>>11860179
Reminds me of an article I read about government officials being upset over the Falcon Heavy when it launched.

>>11859958

>>11860204
>every spacecraft is bad except starship
hello spacex-shelby

>>11860233
That wasn't his argument. As far as concept of operations go, Starship is intended to make all existing operational paradigms obsolete, although its far too early to assume success. Since SpaceX is actively developing it as their top company priority now that Dragon 2 is operational and flying crew to the ISS, splitting their attention again would be counterproductive.

>>11860233
>every spacecraft is bad except starship
Unironically yes though

>>11860233
>every spacecraft is bad except gigaship
FTFY

can boing starliner launch from a falcon 9?

>>11860243
If they did the requisite payload integration development work, probably.

>>11859014
If we're gonna launch a satellite, it better perform science experimetns..

>>11860243
IIRC it was a requirement that the contractor's capsules have to be able to be launched on the other contractor's rocket. This might not be the case in reality, but it's probably possible.

>>11860254
Put it in orbit over India and have it measure methane emissions. BRAAAP-1.
If that's not a worthy first scientific goal for 4ASS, then I don't know what is.

RIP SpaceX Boca Chica. Boomers at it again.

https://www.borderreport.com/top-stories/exclusive-faa-is-investigating-south-texas-launch-facility-after-change-in-rocket-tests-by-spacex/

>>11860264
Any non-cancerous site that Europeans can read too?

>ywn oblitirate planets with your bros using your alcubierre drive spacecrafts
....

>>11860226
can you link it?

>>11860264
>exclusive report via literally who
>doomerposting
I'll wait for the sane post on the subject

>>11860266
Build a PROCSIMA cannon so you can obliterate cities and collector ships in a couple hits

>>11860211
>That said, Elon should just yeet one around the moon with a FH to shut them the fuck up and be done with it.
Can he do it? could it land with the draco engines alone? and can it go back up with it?

>>11860261
can we just use it to track glownigger weather manipulations

>>11860243
>boing launching starliners with falcon 9
KINO desu

>>11860274
Even if you ignore all the FUD, it does seem FAA is doing another assessment of the site.

>>11860264
Just stupid clickbait, they are just reviewing SpaceX's new proposal for Starship, to replace the old one F9 / FH, nothing is new here.

>>11860275
if this is validated it's insane

>>11860276
I said around the moon, not land. Orion can't fucking land on the moon either.

>>11860271
I don't remember enough details to find it. It had something to do with them "giving" commercial space LEO so the government can "have" BEO, but the Falcon Heavy was seen as a sign that SpaceX was "overstepping it's bounds" or something like that.

>>11860291
then that's easier

>>11860298
Exactly.

>>11860295
Well can't blame them when elon even did it with the most flashiest way turning it into a tesla advertisment.

>>11860264
>Since opening, SpaceX’s mission and projects at the facility have substantially changed and many residents now want more federal regulation on the activities at this site. They also want another environmental impact study done to ensure that these added tests do not pose a threat to communities or nearby wildlife, especially after the recent May 29 explosion of a rocket engine during a test — caught on camera by Border Report — and a July 2019 brush fire ignited by another test.
holy crap these boomers are retarded

>>11860289
Yeah, but not only for propelling ships. It makes realistic space combat even more boring because you no longer have to worry about laser ranges. You can simply obliterate everything from lightseconds away.

>>11860295
They're going to be really mad when they learn elon plans to send upwards of a million tons into deep space every two years

https://www.borderreport.com/top-stories/exclusive-faa-is-investigating-south-texas-launch-facility-after-change-in-rocket-tests-by-spacex/
>“Any large project like this has to be vetted and has to go through a series of scientific evaluations in order to determine the safety, the effects on that environment and the effects on communities and on people’s lives,” Herweck said. “The project that they were going to do completely and fundamentally changed. There is no Falcon Heavy rocket being launched and instead they are testing the Starship and they went forward with this idea for this to be a testing facility. That’s a completely different set of activities and it has completely different impacts. However, the regulatory agency that is was supposed to be guiding this environmental impact process, the FAA, allowed SpaceX.”
I fucking swear if these stupid environmentalists try to stop starship development elon needs to unironically pay cartels to kill them.

>>11860243
This would be haram

>>11860243
no
the two vehicles would instantly combust when touching each other

>>11860331
well if you want them seats to be cheap, better launch them from elon's rocket, boing

>>11860343
>cheap seats
I think that would be absolutely haram to boing corporate culture.

>It is designed to be compatible with four launch vehicles: Atlas V, Delta IV, Falcon 9, and Vulcan.

Eheheheh

>>11860347
>Falcon 9
Kek

>>11860347
>no mention of dragon capability to other launch vehicles
Boing finally won!!!!!

success when?

>>11860313
Unless you generate a dense enough field of plasma to diffuse the beam at least enough for ablative armour to take care of it

>>11860354
Speedrun when?

>>11860361
>deliberately set off abort thrusters as you come screaming in to reach near zero velocity close to station, pop open hatch and use lasso to capture station while having a cowboy hat taped to your helmet

based

>>11860354
when it lands

>>11860377
And Bobendoug are not two roasted chunks of flesh pulled out of the pod.

space

>>11860383
If this were starliner that would be "astronauts successfully recovered"

>>11860320
Not only that, they will also fly hundreds of tonnes into orbit every day.

>>11860386
Utter emptiness. True darkness.

parachutes makes me so uneasy, how many does dragon have for backup?

>>11860405
I don't know, but the parachute was the main delay so probably enough

>>11860399
That chapter was really fucking spooky.

>>11860326
I don't know shit about shit and this photograph is old, but why can't someone just build these guys a road through pic related to get to and from their house any time?

Any idea how reliable this book is as general information? Couldn’t find sources of information

>>11860481
Zubrin is an OG.

>>11860469
I think the SpaceX property goes right up to the beach and they're now using that space for Starship production. The road closures isn't why they bought out the residents in Boca Chica Village, it's because of they don't want to be testing and launching rockets so close to them. I don't even know if there's anyone left that hasn't sold their house to SpaceX, it's at least down to just a few people.

>>11860504
Everyone sold. Whoever is bitching is some useful idiot

>>11860326
I think Musk i wealthy enough to bribe them.

>>11860481
it's quite satirical, written as if you arrived on Mars looking for a job in 2035, but does expand a little on his idea mentioned in Mars Direct about habs, power systems etc

>>11860536
*The Case for Mars
Mars Direct is the overall mission architecture

>>11860527
>is

>>11860386
SPESS

>>11860264
>>11860469

Now I'm more confused

This is 12 miles away, on the rio grande as the article describes. How could road closures between the spacex control center/construction and the launch pad possibly effect them?

>>11860481
it's kinda technically accurate for back when it was written, but not for when it's supposed to be set. Mostly just dunks on NASA for how slow and bureaucratic they have been for ignoring him

>>11860574
That aurora

>>11860574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJVA3GDbgQ

>>11860574
>Io

>>11860546
kinda funny that of all the places in the outer solar system we have sent a lander to, we went to titan first. not one of galilean moons of jupiter like callisto, but titan. makes sense though because titan has an atmosphere and that makes landing a lot easier

>>11860088
Quantized Inertia stuff or some other mechanism? I've seen people building QI test drives on NSF and Twitter.

>>11860556
So the ideas of refining Martian ore and glass is technically feasible yes?

>>11860594
Titan is the most dynamic and interesting object in the system outside of Earth

>>11860552
I also noticed that. It's either that these boomers have gone senile and believe their house is in another location or the writer made a mistake. Maybe it was intentionally done, the wording is some of these articles is very questionable. They made a headline about catching one of the SN explosions on camera when it was already being live streamed to the world.

>>11860604
Mars has all the requisite resources, the only complication for some processes is lack of atmosphere and providing that is simple enough

>>11860606
I wish more of the icey moons had atmospheres. It'd be cool to see moons with seas of not just methane, but also nitrogen

>>11860580
localized entirely within Jupiter's moon?

>>11860264
tl;dr?
I'm too lazy to turn on my VPN for this bullshit

>>11860641
You can read the article here:
https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/exclusive-spacex-facility-under-faa-review-after-changing-rocket-tests-in-south-texas/

>>11860656
wew lad

>>11860657
This is work:
https://archive.is/LyNl1

>>11860641
>>11860657
This should work:
https://archive.is/LyNl1

>>11860664
thanks senpai

>>11860660
>>11860656
>>11860264
NIMBYs are the death of America

>>11860675
>tfw living in the most aerospace barren state
I would pay to have SpaceX move into my backyard.

>>11858810
>Aevum
>X-Bow
powerpoint rockets, no loss
>Astra
>Virgin Orbit
The only remaining competitors in the DARPA launch challenge (launch twice quickly from same pad). Neither quite made the deadline, but have each made their first (unsuccessful) test launch in the last few months. Virgin will of course survive, but this might be a bad blow for Astra.
>Rocket Lab
They are operational and are making it quite well on their own. Especially since New Zealand is one of the few countries no longer constrained by drastic quarantine measures.
>Space Vector
didn't they already go bankrupt because their founder did other shady business deals?

>>11858867
I hope Astra makes it, it is a decent design: make everything -- rocket and launch control equipment -- fit in a standard international shipping container, so it can be shipped and launched from anywhere.

>>11858936
I was just reading about the demise of Vector Space Systems and one of their test flight failures was due to propane!
>Oh and for this flight we used propane on accident - the company delivering the propylene mixed it up and we didn't think to check.

>>11860720
Please link this

>>11860721
It is a great insider's view of the death of an aerospace startup:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40158.msg2095321#msg2095321

>>11860326
I think they're still listed as being on their original usage plan, which was to launch one F9 a month, and they haven't gotten around to changing that yet.

>>11860295
If I remember correct, it was Ron Paul or something, complaining about SpaceX monopolizing rocket industry. He was lobbying for Boeing if I remember right.

>>11860794
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ron-paul-crony-defense-budget-hands-spacex-a-monopoly-why

>>11860794
>If I remember correct, it was Ron Paul or something, complaining about SpaceX monopolizing rocket industry.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ron-paul-crony-defense-budget-hands-spacex-a-monopoly-why
You mean this article? It doesn't say anything about SpaceX overstepping bounds, nor how SpaceX was meant for LEO only.

>>11860703
>Aevum
>X-Bow
>Space Vector
Can anybody give me a rundown on these companies?

>>11860794
>https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ron-paul-crony-defense-budget-hands-spacex-a-monopoly-why
Why would ron paul shill for boeing? Did they pay him off? I don't understand how anybody could actually accept money to shill for boeing and against SpaceX. I'd rather be poor and have the solar system colonized then be rich and be stuck on this rock forever.

>>11860856
He was being paid by Boeing/Lockheed at the time

>>11860856
Some monopolies are not bad, because they are formed and maintained by the provider simply being the best in the market.

>>11860852
X-bow is like 5 people who run a website that's just a picture of a rocket as far as I can tell
Aevum is similar but they have a low poly render of a jet with a rocket
Space Vector flew two sounding rockets and then went bankrupt

>SEC
>Suck Elon's Cock(?)

musk is at it again on twitter, oh noes

>>11860856
>>11860858
He was arguing against the National Defense Authorization Act and thought it would lead to the Air Force being forced to pay to develop a alternative to the Russian RD-180 engine, that is consistent with his political leanings. Ron Paul's argument isn't nuanced and he doesn't understand there are alternatives to the engine that already existed and didn't need funding. He also doesn't understand the role SpaceX played in lowering launch costs and fostering competition, but I don't actually think he was trying to be misleading.

Keep in mind this article is from three years ago.

>>11860929
link of their websites?

>>11860751
Thanks! Cool read.

>>11860949
Also, the Air Force being forced to fund a new engine would have only benefited ULA which is jointly owned by two of Ron Paul's largest contributors.

>>11860963
https://www.xbowlaunch.com/
https://www.aevumspace.com/
vector's page is down, but there's a wikipage listing their bogus claims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Launch

>>11860689
>tfw all my state's coastline points the wrong way and the latitude is wrong
The only way to launch a rocket built in Washington is to sail it up the Inside Passage to Alaska, and that's inclination limited.

>>11860942
The two previous tweets contained the word "short."
>Short Elon's Company

>>11861053
But he’s 6’2”

more food trucks

>"I hope you're enjoying your stay at Phobos Port. We'll let you go about your business on Mars, but while we were inspecting your Starship to make sure its structure meets regulation we noticed a strange mass concentration in the forward bulkhead. Care to explain this?"
What did Martian Customs find and how fucked are you?

>>11861061
Can you get Dragon Dumplings at that one?

>>11861091

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1278740103893000193?s=20

Excellent.

>>11861091
protomolecules

>>11861091
4.5 metric tons of weapons grade Plutonium-239

Why is Elon dating a crazy leftist

>>11861061
If Elon isn't feeding them Whataburger everyday, he's kicked from the state.

>>11861104
why are space journalists and the aerospace community in general so leftist? is it just twitter?

>>11861131
It's more that most shitrags are staffed with leftists and they hire their friends almost exclusively. It's one extremely incestuous industry.

>>11861131
Any community that mostly has graduate degrees will be influenced by campus opinions when they were learning.

>>11861140
>>11861137
Sad really

>>11860546
post kino space images of other celestial bodies

>>11861154

>>11861178

>>11861178
kinda cute that Pluto has a little heart on it

>>11861154
1/4

>>11861182
it is a giant plain of convecting cells of nitrogen ice

>>11861181
Seeing the jupiter system through my 8in dob as a kid was a transformative experience. For the first time I really grasped the 3D nature of what I was seeing, especially watching the moons move around. Would love to actually go there.

>>11861196

>>11861196
2/4

>>11861203
if you're under 30 you might be able to be part of the first ganymede or callisto colonists, especially if lower gravity leads to longer lifespans or somewhat affordable anti-aging technology comes around

>>11861208
3/4

>>11861221
4/4

>>11861228

Go check Elon's Twitter. He is poking the SEC again.

>>11858336
Explain please: Elon Mutt is not the one building rockets, nor is he the first who put man into space, why then media portrays him as a messiah who singlehandedly conquers space? (The same question applies to Steve Blowjobs, Bill Gay's, Sheckelberg and other bussiness scientists)

>>11861236
The what

>>11861228
We need to beef up comms with Mars. So we can have a livestream mars rover.

>>11861247
Securities and Exchange Commission, the federal agency that oversees the stock markets.

>>11861244
because he's made a good first impression by making the first reusable rocket and is the only one at the moment who is pushing the development of interplanetary colonization with little initial monetary gain

>>11861244
He's the face and leader of a company that radically changed spaceflight. Making it interesting again to the masses.

Bill Gates provided common operating environment to computers. Making it possible for their mass adoption by everyone.

Steve Jobs has always been a blow hard with a messiah complex.

>>11861244
People love figureheads. It gives a face and human qualities to a large organization that would otherwise seem impersonal. That's why the great man theory is so popular. However, Elon Musk has contributed significantly to the success of SpaceX. He may not be an engineer but he does have a talent in finding the necessary talent for his companies, and has the capital to give them a good start.

>>11861236
oh, it's just banter
I thought he was going to get fined again

>>11861235

>>11861260
>he's made a good first impression by making the first reusable rocket
in his garage, of course.

>>11861275
Have you seen Starship's construction? Garages would be an upgrade.

>>11861091
If I'm not taking it down the well, I don't have to disclose my cargo. Damned nosy Martians.

>>11861244
We live in a society that worships capital and those who arrange people and property is a new and useful way have the right to allocate more capital. This is what they get the credit for. Nobody thinks they're technocrats instead of plutocrats, but that doesn't strip them of anything beyond street cred with contrarian 4channers.

>>11861285
Cry more communist

>>11861244
Because without him none of this would happen. It doesn't matter how many aeronautics geniuses or busy hands are in the world if they are managed poorly.

>>11861244
dumb seething post

>>11861263
What exactly "radically changed spaceflight"?

>>11861302
the first reusable rocket.

>>11861244
Arrrrgh, thar be bait matey

>>11861302
Reusable booster rockets and dramatically reduced launch costs, plus development of methalox rocket engines

>>11861309
>>11861302
And significantly cheaper launches.

SpaceX isn't some OldSpace defense leech or a national entity.

>>11861290
I'm not a communist, I'm pointing out that the orchestration of resources to accomplish useful tasks has value and can be compared to the value of the engineers who actually put together the rockets. Musk allocates the most capital so he is the most valuable (useful) part of the process. It's not hard to picture what spaceflight looks like without someone in charge to arrange resources properly. See: oldspace
>>11861263
Steve Jobs convinced people that they actually wanted to buy an iPad even though they already owned a laptop and an iPhone. It was maybe the most impressive feat of marketing ever.

>>11861228
Is this true color?

>>11861218
Pretty optimistic about it but who knows what happens. We went 50 years and two world wars from the first flight to a man on the moon, and then 50 years of basically nothing. Hopefully the cycle repeats. It sure looks like it is.

>>11861302
>reusable rockets in a post-Shuttle era
>made a launch service that is both cheaper and more reliable than the Russians
>manged to cross the niche nerd barrier and into the public mind
>bringing emphasis on "doing" rather than "studying"
>etc.

>>11861321
oldspace
>got a man on the moon

>>11861336
Fifty years ago under immense political pressure to do so.

>>11860045
yes you can see grimes flashing her fanny out the top portal/window

>>11861329
>Is this true color?
Not sure. Couldn't find a source that said anything about that, but could be when compared to other "true color" images.

>>11861244
He is chief engineer of everything SpaceX does, imagine if Korolev or Von Braun had unlimited funds to do the projects they wanted.

>>11861332
Why we (and I personally) should care? Cheaper rockets, ok. So what?

I don't think I've ever seen any security at boca chica
surely there's a very real threat of espionage from corporations and foreign entities

>>11861345
>Cheaper rockets, ok. So what?

Means it’s cheaper to put stuff up there and beyond dumbass. If easier access to space doesn’t interest you then go away

>>11860413
what is it?

>>11860326
>Herweck
ula regulatory sniper

>>11861349
>wow look a metal tube

>>11861352
Chainsawman

apparently titan actually has a couple large equatorial lakes

>>11860794
>it was Ron Paul
>lobbying for Boeing
all my heroes are dead

>>11861349
Nobody except Bridenstine believes Starship will fly, especially after so many failures.

>>11861359
Isn’t Ron Paul a libertarian?

>>11861361
exactly

>>11861345
>Why we (and I personally) should care?
It represents a paradigm shift in spaceflight with good prospects of more happening within space flight. If you're a fan of space, then the reason why you would be excited should be obvious. If not, then there are still reasons to be at least happy about it. Cheaper launches mean that more can be done for less money, especially for government programs which are funded by your tax dollars. It also means that space services (GPS, weather tracking, communications, etc) can be done more extensively with better coverage and service. It also means an expansion of a previously restricted industry which means more jobs and economic benefits for the country.

>>11861350
Just ignore that baiter.

>>11861091
Military grade catgirl with the metal reinforcement augs intact. I bought her in a surplus sale on Triton after the Kuiper War. Martians probably thought I was smuggling titanium.

>>11861360
>especially after so many failures
But these are all cheap prototypes anon, and none of the failures have been the same either.

>>11860794
This can’t be correct, I refuse to believe. Ron Paul is Mr. Liberty... wouldn’t a Libertarian not give a fuck about a monopoly (or even PREFER it because the invisible hand would create competition eventually). How could someone like Paul support a messy government-loving company that just wants money and power, and run at the efficiency of the local DMV/DPS?

>>11861363
Sad. I’m a libertarian myself but know basically nothing about Ron Paul except the “Its happening” meme.

>>11861379
>How could someone like Paul support a messy government-loving company that just wants money and power, and run at the efficiency of the local DMV/DPS?
if they were getting paid, they could support anything

>>11861384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auZCn13tgfs

ITT:
>People debate a three year old Ron Paul article that is no longer relevant.

>>11861399
/sfg/ has much better political discussions than /pol/

>>11861402
depends, sometimes you get actual good political discussions on /pol/

>>11861387
Bros I don’t feel too good

this is an actual propolox rocket in operation apparently

>>11861359
Life experience/age usually makes people more cautious, skeptical and pessimistic. Maybe he does not have enough information on the subject.

>>11861418
i doubt ron paul knows much about rocketry desu

>>11861091
10 tons of full shit bags.
bob-'n-doug broke the toilet again not long after we left LEO

beautiful

>>11861402
Yes but Ron Paul literally dindu nuffin, he just voted against a bill that would stop US companies buying engines from Russia. Most libertarians would do that as well. He isn't equal to someone like Senator Shelby. Free Ron Paul 2020.

Could you walk in outer space only with rebreather helmet?
You would probably overheat if you spend time in sun and body temperature.

>>11861454
Absolutely disgusting FOREIGN spacecraft. That thing needs to be deorbited right away and it's NON-AMERICAN company must be NATIONALIZED before it destroys AMERICAN spaceflight. All AMERICANS need to be flown on AMERICAN rockets from AMERICAN soil. Support SLS (pbui), for it is the ONLY way to sustainability in spaceflight.

>>11861480
The fluids in your body would not play nice.

>>11861485
So decompression sickness? Makes sense.

>>11861495
A rather extreme version of it, yes. Also rather cold in the shade as well as warm in the direct sunlight.

>>11861501
There is nothing to transmit coldness.

>>11861485
Skin is vacuum sealed

>>11861502
>There is nothing to transmit coldness

Is this bait?

>>11861129
I think it's in the state constitution or something.

>>11861096
>>11861370
Damn catgirls keep hiding behind the bulkheads.
But they always come out when it's mealtime.
>>11861505
Except for the various orifices around the body.
Imagine not being able to smell or hear the escaping gases in space.

>>11861091
It’s my ship’s particle whip main gun

>>11859776

Hey I recognize that.

>>11861528
He is probably thinking of freefall outside of Earth's gravity well but with something blocking part of Sol's radiation. As well as calling heat loss "transmission of coldness" for whatever reason.

Speaking of solar radiation and heat transfer, wouldn't solar wind still be absorbed by a body even if Sun is fully eclipsed by a moon or whatever?

>>11861091
Haha its just an old model starship with a methane header tank, nothing to see here haha.....

>Elon just told the SEC to suck his cock

This man is becoming dangerously based.

>>11861244
Look at this seething vatnik

Can somebody here explain to me the difference in density between liquid methane and liquid water? Also, could you swim in liquid methane?

>>11861693
It’s less dense than water but yeah you could swim in it

>>11861699
No, you'd sink like a stone. You'd also be a popsicle

With an enviro suit and big ol floaties I guess you could swim in it

>>11861661
>Captain Anon, would you care to explain why our scans are picking up what appears to be 4 metric tons of fursuits in the forward bulkhead?

>>11861684
he actually did it, the madman

>>11861091
Uuuuuhhhh it's probably just frozen LOX or something I guess, eheheh
>KILL ALL JEWS
Jesus Christ shut up po- Oh uh, it's just a ringtone I have, my sense of humor is dark
>DEATH TO DARKIES
"Okay that's it, you're getting detained until further notice"
GOD DAMMIT POL-NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAND

>>11861715
I was asking under the impression you had some sort of environmental suit. If you were on titan, wouldn't it be easier to swim in liquid methane because of the low gravity? Also exactly how much more dense is water then liquid methane?

>>11861724

>>11861738
realistically, mars will be a lose, if united at all, coalition of city states that sometimes get along with widely varying philosophies, ideologies, religions, etc etc. I wonder what the predominant political ideology on the first mars base would be, realistically.

>>11861755
>coalition of city states that sometimes get along with widely varying philosophies, ideologies, religions, etc etc

You are aware what happens to your country if you aren't a progressive liberal democracy aren't you?

>>11861763
If the space force tries anything, then we will conduct orbital strikes on earth.

>>11861717
>get job as a Martian customs officer
>pay's not great, but you get to go to Port Phobos, and the job's pretty easy just checking ships
>shift nearly finished, when an unknown vessel docks
>"This is Mars Port Authority, identify yourself"
>no response
>backup has already left for the Elon's Day parade
>airlock activates, they're coming out
>They're wearing...fur suits? what the actual fuck?
>"UwU what's this"
>"we have a new friend to play with"
>MFW

>>11861771
>activate the nuclear devices, the station is compromised

>>11861747
Water and humans are about 2.36x denser than methane and that is true wherever you go

>>11861780
So you'd sink unless you were actively swimming or had some sort of flotation device. But again, wouldn't it not be nearly as exhausting swimming in liquid methane on titan than on earth?

Some smart women I follow on twitter were talking a while back about how Shotwell is the real talent behind SpaceX running smoothly and making progress, while Musk is basically just incompetent and a "rich boy clown."
Is that accurate, or is it female bias?

>>11861793
It would be more tiring, there is less to push against so you will have to work much harder.

>>11861799
It would be more tiring to swim in liquid methane in lower gravity then higher gravity?

>>11861794
>smart women

Female bias, Shotwell seems competent enough to run it without Elon but it's pretty clear Elon is calling most of the shots.

>>11861794
I can believe that

>>11861794
That isn't accurate, the person that said that doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about and should probably kill themself before they infect even more people with their autism.