/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11857719
Digital botox

It works until they meet you and you're not photoshopped anymore

By having sex with grannies I suppose.

>>11857900
That's the thing. Will it be creepy to bang an 81 year old who looks like an 18 year old?

>>11858009
Yes

>>11858009
No

>>11858013
>>11858015
It's a controversial issue.

>>11858017
It would be creepier to bang an 18 year old who looks like an 18 year old as an 81 year old who looks like an 18 year old

Aubrey de Grey is a drunkard and a hack.

Learn to accept ageing and death.

>>11858111
The Virgin Deathist Ladies and Gentlemen

>>11858111
> phrased as if aubrey is the only one working on reversing aging
>spells aging "ageing"
>loves dying because he was born with inferior genetics

Confirmed virgin

Definitely a virgin, guys.

>>11858120
Every generation has its own coping mechanisms for coming to terms with death. Anti-ageing and cryonics are this generation's.

>>11858025
>creepier to bang an 18 year old who looks like an 18 year old
yeah, those 18yo teenagers look downright creepy

>>11857719
Imagine being the last person to die of natural causes.
Then imagine being the first non-aging person to die in a retarded accident.

>>11858164
1 >> 2, 3 > 4

>>11857719
Who knows. You won't be around to see it anyway.

>>11857719
Look how the retards reacted to Covid-19: "Oh no no I won't wear a mask and I'll literally kill you if I see a mask on your face". I just hope that by then, we'll have a smart, normal human being as president.

>>11857719
do you really belrve its gonna happen?

>>11858009
>Will it be creepy to bang an 81 year old who looks like an 18 year old?

No problem with me. It is when they look like 12 -14 years old that problems start.

Banging a 112 year old woman who look 12 is problematic.

>>11858257
you know their will be freaks who purposely will try to look like they are nine

>>11858257
Why would it be problematic? It would provide pedos with partners that can actually consent.

imagine how much mileage a 150yo woman that looks 24 will have, she's been riding the carousel for over 100 years

>>11858215
>and I'll literally kill you if I see a mask on your face
No one says that. You're projecting your anger on others.
>"Oh no no I won't wear a mask
The proper response to a pandemic is contextual instead of the one-size-fails-all mask solution you're trying to impose on everyone else. No one wants to keep you from wearing a mask but you want to force others to wear them regardless of context or effectiveness.
Notice that you mask fetishers demand everyone wear masks but you all still go within six feet of other people despite social distancing being the far superior way of preventing transmission of infections.
You have no justification for demanding universal mask usage while not also demanding universal social distancing. The only way your ego can rectify this is by making imaginary villains who will shoot you in the face for wearing a mask.
Seek mental help, keep your distance from others, and decide for yourself if you want to wear a mask or not. Your anger stems from your control issues that have no basis in public health.

>>11857719
you think this will happen anytime soon ? Like in the next 20 years

>>11857719
It would be extremely painful

>>11858257
Would this even be possible? Reversing aging as far as I know has never been absolute. Could you go back to being a newborn? Probably not. Pre-puberty? That's going to be much more difficult than going from one adult age to another. We might end up with some really uncanny valley appearances where a person looks like something that would never happen through natural aging.

>>11858282
We don't have solutions for hair loss, growing new teeth, or replacement eyes. Think all three would come along before general reversal of aging.

>>11857719
It will die, because there is no such thing. All anti-aging millionaires are grifters, sadistically stealing money from the hopeful.

This image is from 1992.

>>11858111
No, he's simply a liar and a fraud.

>>11857719
poorly

>>11858288
>Would this even be possible? Reversing aging as far as I know has never been absolute

Clones. Use clone body and put brain in it, or use a neural lace for controlling body. Allow a good two-way feedback and in time you and your child clone would be as one.

>>11858290
None of those are necessary for treating ageing.

>>11859041
If you're talking cosmetically, maybe. But to defeat aging its an all or nothing battle. If you can't regenerate failing teeth, how are you going to regenerate youthful skin? Or reproduce young adult hormones, bone density, immune systems etc.

The most neglected and simultaneously the most important part of anti-aging is brain preservation. Having a permanently peak body won't do anything if you develop dementia in your 80s anyway. Of all the research that medical science has going for it, brain preservation is the area that looks the most hopeless.

>>11859061
Yeah. Brainlets don't seem to realise that to prevent (or reverse) ageing, you'd need to understand and control a million different processes in the body, most of which we currently understand very little and have no way whatsoever to control. Some animals and plants do not age, or at least do so very slowly. But they were made that way by evolution, which is a far more powerful mechanism that our puny sciences. There is just no way that we can do it without some other magical technology like true AI, nanobots, etc. And I do mean magical, because we are not remotely close to realising such technologies, if it is indeed possible.

>>11857719

Define "end of aging"

Do you mean as "products that will completly hide the signs of aging" or "oxygen will stop killing us and we will no longer age"?

>>11859086
>Brainlets don't seem to realise that to prevent (or reverse) ageing, you'd need to understand and control a million different processes in the body
Not really. A single ovum can turn an aging cell into an entirely new organism. Aging is not a native property of cells. It is ENFORCED upon them by a greater somatic plan.

>>11859061
>>11859086
>Anons with no experience or education talking like others are the ignorant ones
I love this site.

>>11859097
>>11859316
>if I can imagine it, it must be possible!!!

>>11858009
>>11858025
The ageless look all around 16.

The prevention of aging will come from gene editing. There is so much regulation in the first world regarding this field that it won't be successful anytime soon. Accept that death is coming for you and enjoy the time you have.

>>11858009
>>11858025
>>11858164
>>11858257
>>11858288
>>11858290
>>11858565
>>11859061
>>11859086
The ageless look all around 16. There is no dementia; the brain is the first organ to go with aging. Even young adults are already demented, this is why you weren't told despite it being discovered a long time ago.

>>11858164
Is guy on left virgin or chad?

>>11857719
Micheal Jackson spent some time in a lead encased sarcophagus in an attempt to regenerate his nose.

>>11859086
>>11859061
This is retarded

if David Sinclair's theory is correct all it takes is some epigenetic cleaning (which can be done with yamanaka factors) it probably wont cure your hair loss or grow your teeth back but it will make all the cells you still have work like they were 20 again, including your brain

>>11859331
Thats literally how we got here.

>>11859368
>Even young adults are already demented, this is why you weren't told despite it being discovered a long time ago.
huh? is this a thing?

>>11858288
>That's going to be much more difficult than going from one adult age to another.
It’s not really going from one age to another, it’s more just really complex plastic surgery. Which should be doable with the next thirty years.
>>11858290
>solutions for hair loss, growing new teeth
yes we do, their is hair and dental implants, these things are pretty common today.
>>11859061
>But to defeat aging its an all or nothing battle.
no it’s not
>>11859061
>The most neglected and simultaneously the most important part of anti-aging is brain preservation. Having a permanently peak body won't do anything if you develop dementia in your 80s anyway.
Neuroscience is advancing very rapidly, it is quite possible that soon their will be anti-Dementia and anti-Alzheimer’s treatments that are quite effective.

>>11859686
I'm excited about the yamanaka factors. If they make them safe this could be our first effective treatment for aging. Hopefully the glaucoma clinical trials pan out well

>>11859384
Not sure, but he is pretty cute~

>>11858281
nice cope, keep getting sick amerifag

>>11860152
Implants are not the same thing as having aging reversed so your body can produce the real thing. Plastic surgery likewise is not anti-aging, it's façade creation, a very different thing.

>>11860397
Why can't a single mask fetisher give a reason why placing a tissue over your face is superior to social distancing? It's amazing the lengths you will go to demand everyone wrap some fabric on their face while completely ignoring simply not rubbing up against every human you see.
Don't want to get sick? Stop getting up against everyone. Your goofy little masks are at best a placebo and at worse an oxygen reducing virus collector.

>>11860200
The problem with Yamanaka factor is that too much of it it will wipe out the cell memory to the point were it goes back to stem cell. too little and it does nothing.

the hard part is how to deliver just the right amount to every cell in the body.

>>11860152
>the average life expectancy was 30 years old in 1800
life was hardcore back then.

>>11860418
Where I'm from we do both and it's be working great

>Philosopher Stephen Cave identified four coping mechanisms that people use to deny death. Elixir, resurrection, immortality and eternal flame.

>Elixer refers to the historial notions of an elixir of life or foundation of youth, a substance or treatment that restores youth and good health to the body

>Resurrection refers to the literal resurrection of dead people either through science or religious ideas of resurrection

>Immortality refers to attempts to make people immune to death

>Eternal flame refers to people who realise that all the previous coping mechanisms will fail, but perhaps they will live through memory or genetics like having children, becoming famous or creating a great work

Anti-aging 'science' is just a regurgitation of past coping mechanisms. No one in this thread is going to live to reach 'terminal escape velocity' or any other anti-death nonsense. It's better to come to terms with death rather than living in fear of it. Live you life the best you can and make use of the short time you have. It's more meaningful and beautiful that way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB7xs7UpIfY

>>11861377
>Eternal flame refers to people who realise that all the previous coping mechanisms will fail, but perhaps they will live through memory or genetics like having children, becoming famous or creating a great work
this is true though

>>11861377
guess thats makes me a phylosoph because i was thinking about that couple days ago

>>11861380
It's the works that survive, not the person.

>>11859782
Your brain peaks at 25

>>11861458
Yes, but most people save for the truly desperate understand that they will not experience the world through their offspring or works as some type of anchor or vehicle for their consciousness. The idea is that legacy keeps a piece of your soul or being alive in the minds of others well beyond your death. There is nothing to contradict this notion as it is well attested throughout all of human history going back to the most ancient ancestor worship cultism among hunter gatherers.
>>11861464
fluid intelligence peaks around 17-21 years old in males. you begin experiencing progressive fluid intelligence declines, as opposed to early-mid 20's stagnation, around 26-28 years old. however, the onset of noticeable cognitive senescence can be earlier or later depending on a host of factors like genetics, family history of neurodegenerative disease, head injuries, mental illness, diet etc. Some people remain sharp and capable of learning new skills into their 30's and 40's but much of this is likely to be either very high intelligence, hence robustness against cognitive decline, or masking of more primary cognitive decline like processing speed declines being masked by higher level abstract reasoning with age.

>>11861377

How is life extension coping? It's literally just seeing a problem and going about the solution you perceive to be the most logical. A cope would be more like repeatedly trying to convince yourself that your OK with it and using blanket appeals to nature to justify that it's "just the way things are" while actually being terrified of dying deep down.

>>11861566
It's coping because people from every era of civilisation believe they'll be the first generation not to die, and that some fad science will save them. When hormones were discovered in the late 19th century there was a similar movement to today in which people were they could use then to stop aging and live forever. Go back further and you see similar claims about ingesting certain metals or breathing good air. Basically people who are afraid of getting old and dying latch onto movements and ideas that let them deny the reality. Does anyone follow Aubrey De Grey because of his achievements, or because he tells you you'll live forever?

>>11861483
>you begin experiencing progressive fluid intelligence declines, as opposed to early-mid 20's stagnation, around 26-28 years old.
This is not okay, we need to do something about this.

>>11861483
weird, i'm early 30s and my brain is sharper then its ever been.

>>11861725
did you start exercising more in the last few years?

>>11861731
you mean physically? yes

>>11861731
i also take herbal stuff to get better sleep, now that i get my 10h of sleep every night my attention and memory has noticeably improved.

>>11861736
Yeah, physical exercise is one of the few things that can make me feel noticeably smarter.

>>11861614
How is it not science? Just because it is difficult does not mean it is not a fascinating topic of research. You don't have to always extrapolate out into immortality. Regardless of whether we get immortality or not (which i don't even think is likely), I still support the fight against aging because even an extra 5 years of good health is extremely worth it. Even the economic benefits alone merit the pursuit of it. Also the "coming to terms with death" that you mention is most often than not stupid people signaling intellectual superiority/wisdom.

>>11861614
Caloric restriction and other aspects of diet can significantly extend life.
There isn't just an anti-aging hormone cocktail, but we do know the have an impact on aging, and hormonal issues can be symptoms of aging.

I don't think we'll reach biological immortality while I'm alive (currently 28) but there's no reason to think we'll never achieve it. In the last century we've discovered cellular senescence, telomeres, oxidative stress, methylation, many details of growth hormone pathways, and much more with respect to model organisms, known biologically immoral organisms, and even most recently fully artificial model organisms.

It isn't cope to think it'll happen eventually, it's only cope to think it'll happen in your generation.

>>11861785
I can't tell if not thinking it will happen in our generation is beneficial to the progression of research or not. Will it light a fire under our asses to get at it or will it simply result in people giving up. Hopefully the former.

>>11861785
https://www.lifespan.io/road-maps/the-rejuvenation-roadmap/
i think it will, people under estimate how internet has massively boosted scientific advancement.
and soon AI will make us look like monkey, solving complex scientific mysteries in matter of hours.

you can see on that website how many treatment are currently being worked on

>>11858009
They are still going to move and act like an 81 year old. You saw The Irishman's bad cgi right?

>>11857719
Humans should stop playing god.
I know, science and progress is the only thing that matters for you, but let me remember you that in the 80s (just an example, you could pick any period from the recent past that you like) we didn't have all this shit yet humans were happier.

>>11861483
>Fluid intelligence peaks at 17-21

In my experience, now that I'm getting near 30s I feel sharper and also can remember things for longer and understand concepts easier than when I was younger. I do tend to feel more bored though, no longer have that feeling of wonder I had when I was younger, which I believe is most likely caused by the ageing.

>>11857719
Mass suicide.

How do you expect people to take it when they are 30+ years of age, while everyone who gets to stay 18 chooses to stay 18, and only fuck with and talk to 18 year olds? Age will not equal wisdom anymore. A totally new social dynamic will occur as more people are born, but you will look like your grandparents when you are 18 because they too are perpetually 18. I could go on, but maybe it's not such a terrible thing for humanity that we age gracefully and die.

>>11862110

>Age
>Live gracefully

Pick one

>>11860439
Infant mortality was high plus lots of children died, both from being more susceptible to disease and because they were accident prone in a pre-bubble wrapped world. All of that dragged the average down. If you could make it to your teens, your life expectancy wasn't all that bad. At least until some jerk started a war that you'd be expected to go fight in.

>>11858009
only if they starfish like some lame stiff virgin bitch

>>11861798
>Will it light a fire under our asses to get at it or will it simply result in people giving up. Hopefully the former.
The people who will give up aren’t the kind of people who would be doing research in this area of science.

>>11858145
>>11858120
sex-haver would not be afraid of death since he left his replacement and a peace of him here forever, while you virgins know you will never reproduce and perish forever when you die so you look for alternative ways to cling to your pathetic life more, thinking you will create anything meaningful out of all that seemingly infinite time. anti-aging and anti-death has been here from the get go it is called procreating you virgin.

>>11861377
eternal flame one works tho

>>11861614
You could say the same thing about the quest for transmutation, with people trying all sorts of crazy stuff over thousands of years to convert one element into another. Yet, we eventually cracked that one, and while the old dream of turning cheap metals into gold has proven to be not cost effective, it has given us all sort of useful applications in creating nuclear fuel & medical isotopes. And the alchemists themselves invented plenty of useful chemical processes, and laid the groundwork for the proper chemist who followed them. Likewise, even if current anti-aging studies can't create a fountain of youth, it is likely to lead to all sorts of useful medications.

>>11858111
Why are you so angry? Did he molest you as a teenager? LOL

>>11862345
Are you the one who makes the rules?

>>11862895
>sex-haver would not be afraid of death since he left his replacement and a peace of him here forever
If it's not you, it doesnt matter if it carries your genetic material or not. You are not your progenity, unless... haha nvm only high IQ individuals will understand :)

>>11859086
>Yeah. Brainlets don't seem to realise that to prevent (or reverse) ageing, you'd need to understand and control a million different processes in the body,
No you don't. They've been able to reverse biological age by a few years in Humans already just by healing the thymus. There is plenty of low hanging fruit just like this. It isn't "all or nothing". They didn't even need genetic engineering to do it. A few cancer and diabetics treatment drugs taken together were able to heal the thymus slightly and reverse biological age in humans slightly.
The thymus is the first body part to really age. As soon as you hit puberty it starts to die by the time you're old it's just a lump of useless fat. The thymus helps to control autoimmune responses. As it dies your body begins to constantly attack itself leading to lots of damaged cells and constant inflammation all over your body.

>>11857719
Institutions will have to change or your going to get gigga-boomers who abuse the younger generations.

>>11857719
Mental deterioration from isolated individuals. The only subgroup of the population capable of withstanding the social isolation for extended periods of time are primary psychopaths. You dislike the effectiveness of this solution because you want to believe your emotions are relevant. Your emotions are relevant, for a finite duration that you were built to survive.

>>11857719
Suppose the treatment only works before humans hit puberty. Would society allow that? To have 50 year olds look like 12 year olds? Legal lolis?

>>11863616
it would happen with or without society's consent, and then they'd have to accept it

>>11858009
An 18 year old except the obnoxious zoomer bullshit is replaced with the graceful wisdom of an elder? God almighty she sounds perfect

>>11858257
Seething roastie

>>11861377
fuck you nigger I'm going to live forever even if it kills me

>>11860426
That's nothing new. If we had a solid cell-level delivery mechanism, half our medical problems would disappear overnight. So many drugs which are useless now would be GOAT if you could whitelist/blacklist delivery and ensure uniform dosing. I think we'll need genuine nanomachines for this.

>>11863655
Functionality of nanomachines is proportional to pollution. Very few versions of me have managed to survive the transition to full nanite cohesion. It's not getting better.

>>11863658
Please continue to use a tripcode so I can subscribe to your posts. Thank you.

I'll secure my immortality by achieving dubs on 4chan

>>11863838
God speed.

>>11863855
I've achieved transitive immortality through your dubs

>>11863864
put me in the screenshot daddy~

>>11863838
Does this count as a dub?

>>11863616
>Suppose the treatment only works before humans hit puberty.
That’s retarted, there is no reason why this would be the case.
>To have 50 year olds look like 12 year olds? Legal lolis?
That’s more likely to come about from advances in plastic surgery then for it to come about though anti-aging, anti-aging is about preventing dementia and bone density loss.

>>11863864
May the god of trips find you someday.

>>11857719
Who the fuck would want to look like a feminine boy at the age of 60?

>>11858565
>lower body temperatures
>less food intake
holy fuck these fags are retarded

>>11865542
The less food intake thing is real. Excess calories shorten your lifespan.

>>11865556
experiments in rats showed that the same effect could be achieved by restricting certain amino acids, i think either methionine and/or tryptophan, but the effect did not act cumulative with caloric restriction. Tryptophan is a precursor to serotonin, which is a energy-restricting stress hormone, and methionine is involved with among other things DNA methylation (downregulation).

given the extreme health-promoting effects of CO2, an inflatable suit like this filled with CO2 worn around the house should be an incredible medical tool. CO2 through the skin can cure diabetic foot ulcers, balding, cellulite, varicose veins, cancer and it alleviated FDRs polio enough that he bought an entire carbonated spring resort. It also improves exercise recovery, promoting angiogenesis and mitochondrial neogenesis and producing a significant performance increase (in rats).

>>11865599
Breathing excess CO2 is bad for you, anon. It makes you dumber.

>>11865604
proof? You can yourself demonstrate the effect of ejecting too much CO2, just start hyperventilating. Your nerves will become hyperactive, you will lose sensation and you might black out.

>>11861483

You have no evidence for any of this.

>>11857719
Overpopulation would become an even bigger problem. A lot of people would pdobably end up committing sudoku when they realize they will be wageslaving for eternity.

>>11865465
>end of ageing =/= arrested development

It just means that your overall health doesn't slowly deteriorate after you reach full maturity.

>>11857719
By smearing foreskin cream all over your face

>>11858283
You're a big guy

>>11857719
It won't, we will keep making babies until the globe is a crawling cesspit of bodies.

>>11861831
>Doesn't understand how anti aging works

>>11857719
The number one driving force of change in societal values is old people in positions of power and influence with strongly held (relatively) outdated beliefs dying off.

Imagine aging being cured (and thus stopping this as the oldies dont die no more) whilst the "equality" commissariat are old cranky boomers in positions of power.

>>11858009
Aren't weebs having this exact debate right now?

>>11858120
kek
spot on

sens.org
alcor.org
/r/longevity

>>11868441
Well they are old and cranky because they biologically age and their brains slowly deteriorate due to aging. If we solved aging they would be better at learning and be more open to new ideas.

>>11865711
Overpopulation is not actually a real problem.

>>11869511
Yes it is. There's living space but not enough resources unless you significantly lower the living standards for working/middle class people.
Also we shouldn't aim to have every acre of land populated or farmed. Forests and open land has a value of it's own, and cities are already overcrowded shitholes. Even suburbs are overcrowded, and they are constantly expanding and devouring farm/ranch land.

>>11863381
you are your progeny though, just a modified version of it

>>11858111
>Learn to accept ageing and death.
Nice Stockholm syndrome.

AHHHHHHHHH I WANT TO REDO HIGH SCHOOL AGAIN AND FUCK AT LEAST ONE CUTE GIRL THAT FLIRTS WITH ME

I don't think eternal youth is a problem, because if time doesn't kill you then you'll surely succumb to health problems in some other fashion. You'll inevitably get cancer.

>>11870456
>tfw every girl that flirts with you retroactively pretends like they weren't as soon as you speak to them.

>>11870810
Cancer isn't inevitable if you have eternal youth, even the mutation hypothesis means that you would be able to repair the dna properly, and the cancer field hypothesis means that young healthy tissue would not get cancerous. Getting hit by a car would be much more dangerous

>>11870845
>Cancer isn't inevitable

I remember hearing that if all men could live to 150 that we'd all end up getting prostate cancer, that it really is an inevitability.

>>11870854
Well, that's not true.

>>11869559
birthrates arent keeping pace with death rates
so no actually, it isnt a problem, its solving itself when people arent busy dumping immigrants into countries for cheap labor