/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11847009
Trump supporters are Untermensch.

Abortion is murder
IQ statistics is not evidence - neuroscience found no difference
There are more types of intelligence than IQ
Race is not real - there are thousands of ethic lineages and none of them are pure.

>Abortion is murder

>>11847059
Abortion doctors say so.

>>11847009
Minorities are generally very conservative, but only vote liberal for free stuff.

Trans people will never actually transition. There is no such thing as "female brain in a male body", you just have autogynephilia. Going on HRT and getting a sex change changes your body from a mechanical standpoint, but your cells will always have XY chromosomes

>blacks have an IQ on average 1 standard deviation below whites

>despite being 13% of the population blacks commit nearly 50% of all violent crime

>from a scientific perspective, while different phenotypes and haplogroups can be identified and cluster together based on geographical areas of genetic origin, the idea of actual different races doesn’t really exist and is impossible to define scientifically

>free will is an illusion of the ego

>mankind has evolved for the environment of earth and will die on earth, while colonizing the moon and mars is possible such settlements will only support the main earthbound population, relativistic distances make the idea of humanity outliving the earth by spreading to distant star systems with habitable planets as absurd, childish and laughable a fiction as the Christian story of heaven

>consciousness is transmitted as a wave that is received, processed and transmitted by the human body as a mechanical consciousness processing computer in as scientific and rational a way as electromagnetic waves are transmitted, processed and received by silicon based computers, our technology and science haven’t caught up with measuring and interpreting this phenomenon and we remain ignorant of the potential technology and applications that will change the nature of our society as drastically as electronics and computer processing changed our very existence

>the fact that we have not yet developed a scientific theory to explain an observable phenomenon doesn’t mean we can ignore the evidence of our senses, it simply means the science hasn’t caught up

we are just bunch of cells

>>11847052
subspecies aren't real, there are thousands of lineages and none of them are pure.

>>11847080
an array of cells, if you will

Free will exists and disproves the Church Turing hypothesis.

>>11847085
No one takes the definition of subspecies seriously

>>11847009
The absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

you can loose your nobel prize in medicine if people think you're racist.

>>11847079
>mankind has evolved for the environment of earth and will die on earth
Dude, we have found a lot of Earth-like planets already. For all we know, convergent evolution happened and there are also Earth-like animals there

>>11847052
>IQ statistics is not evidence - neuroscience found no difference
Care to explain

>>11847192
IQ levels is not a concrete data - it changes with every result
Brain scans on the other hand is not. And there was not a single difference between the brain structure of any ethnicity

>>11847009
Race and IQ are linked
This especially hurt since I am half-black.
No matter what, the human population will continue to grow to K, that is just how natural selection works.

Also global warming will not be stopped. It's already too late even if we completely stopped producing green house gas.

>>11847127
Sadly this.

>>11847120
>not creating a new paradigm in computing where you hire someone to let your computer use their free will

>>11847115
based

>>11847079
>relativistic distances make the idea of humanity outliving the earth by spreading to distant star systems with habitable planets as absurd, childish and laughable a fiction as the Christian story of heaven
Nah, once we can build O'Neill Cylinders we just put a bunch of thrusters on the ass end of some and move the colonies. Slow boat to Proxima Centauri.

>>11847204
>IQ levels is not a concrete data - it changes with every result
What do you mean? Of course not all humans have the same IQ.

>>11847309
Statistic itself was never concrete.
You want to prove a point, find actual biological evidence instead of data that changes over time

Social distancing >>>>>> masks

>>11847313
What do you mean by data that changes over time? Flynn effect? Flynn effect is not g-loaded, therefore that argument is invalid.

>>11847336
Stop playing dumb.

>>11847009
science is inductive

>>11847344
Ok low IQ non-european. Cope

>>11847313
G-loaded IQ does not change over time. Cope more.

Murder is a legal term, for it to be a truth you'd have to say abortion is killing.

>>11847377
he is rite we do need actual biological data, the extant evidence for genotypic iq is very limited in scope

>>11847359
>However, critics of g have contended that an emphasis on g is misplaced and entails a devaluation of other important abilities. Stephen J. Gould famously denounced the concept of g as supporting an unrealistic reified view of human intelligence.

If you want to prove that an etnicity is inferior, you NEED genetic evidence proving that their brain have different structure than others.
So far, not a single one has shown that

Psychology is complete pseudoscience that just piggybacks on the discoveries made in neuroscience. Get out.

Trans women are women.

>>11847408
How do you know?

>>11847075
Stfu terf

>>11847399
Then how do you explain the abismal IQ difference between africans and whites?

>>11847454
Reasons that are not biological.

>>11847454
imagine a guy made a "physical IQ" test made up by a modular obstacle course randomly arranged for each participant. imagine that this test was completed on average with the highest score by shorter people. would this mean that shorter people are superior? meaning that, for example, nordic populations are subhumans? no, because it's a test one guy made who unintentionally chose obstacles that favor short people and nobody should take this shitty test as evidence of anything

>>11847009
Modern evolutionary theory is not a sound model of the origin of life and is mainly popularised for its seemingly antagonistic implications against the theistic worldview.

>>11847488
go ahead and devise an intelligence test on which negros perform as well as, or better than whites. there is a lot of demand for one of these. in fact you will be able to sell it to every academic institution, government and corporation in the western world

You cannot prevent the human population from increasing in the long term

>>11847744
>Origin of life
>Evolution
Retard

>>11847755
How many white people won the running and table tennis in olympics?

>>11847744
I'll bite anon, what problems do you have with evolution?

>>11847755
do you think that the IQ test is something that was gifted us from heaven and it is the true standard way of measuring intelligence? because I seriously cannot fathom your unwillingness to let go of a shitty test

>>11847115
underrated

>>11847788
My problems with evolution aren't with the theory itself, but rather the fact that it's been adopted by new-atheism as the antithesis to the theistic worldview. That's not what it sets out to do (neither does any serious scientific hypothesis/theory), yet the pop-sci crowd have hijacked it to fit their ideology.

>>11847971
>Modern evolutionary theory is not a sound model
>My problems with evolution aren't with the theory itself
Are you not the same anon?

>>11847744
burger detected, theory of evolution does not deal with the origin of life

>>11847971
>it's been adopted by new-atheism as the antithesis to the theistic worldview
this is completely unrelated to science

>>11847985
Extreme stupidity tends to manifest as internal contradictions.

>>11847971
>Thread about facts
>Posts his personal offenses

>>11847802
>>11847488
IQ is literally the most accurate metric in all of psychology. Multiple statistical methods were invented thanks to IQ.
If you don't trust IQ then you don't trust science.

>>11848250
>psychology
Yeah, that's your problem
Psychology is a meme branch that cannot tell whether a patient is mentally ill or just pretending.
Study neuroscience for they provide actual emphirical evidence.

>>11847127
noone recorded the tree falling so it must have been silent

>>11848295
If there was a chance of someone recording the tree falling but no one did then this increases the probability it was silent. Also, you're confusing evidence with conclusive evidence.

>>11847009
The LTV, interpeting Value as Marx did, that is, impact in the cycles of transformation of Money/Capital, and NOT prices (which are related, but not directly fixed) is a mostly complete picture of the productive forces under capitalism, and Adam Smith would mostly agree.
"g" isnt real, IQ measures test ability.
Climate change is irreversible.
Nuclear energy is safe, but not very useful for most places in the world.
Primitive tribes should be contacted with, and ideally uplifted, but it should be done as an international effort.
There is little if anything of worth for prolongued human habitation in space for many centuries to come.

>>11847052

>>11847009
I'll bite. White men are over 21 more times more likely to get murdered by a black spouse than a white spouse.

>>11847242
>half-black
Wow that must suck.

>>11847059
Yes.

>>11847059
Yes, and there's nothing wrong with it.

>>11847059
Well it's literally killing a developing human being on purpose. Sometimes fully developed.
You can find videos on live leak of aborted fetuses kicking and waving arms around while its torn in half.
I'm not against abortions but people need to accept that its the killing of a human being.

>>11848576
I'm on the same page as you. Some people should be protected from a miserable life ahead, such as fetuses with chronic illnesses.

>>11847313
>data that changes over time
IQ doesnt change over time. It is very stable over the lifetime of an individual except for a very slow decline as one gets older, which only makes sense.

>>11847242
>Race and IQ are linked
>This especially hurt since I am half-black.
There is absolutely no reason for you to feel bad about this. You are as smart as you are, have you actually taken an IQ test? If you have graduated college, you are on par with anyone else who has graduated from college. If anything, it would mean you are a god amongst your people, which is kinda cool.

>mankind has evolved for the environment of earth and will die on earth, while colonizing the moon and mars is possible such settlements will only support the main earthbound population, relativistic distances make the idea of humanity outliving the earth by spreading to distant star systems with habitable planets as absurd, childish and laughable a fiction as the Christian story of heaven
facts pseuds want to ignore

>>11847079
We all know this one. I mean, at this point n*groids being dumb/violent is the elephant in the room. We all know it, nobody wants to accept it, and they fight that truth tooth and nail because they know deep down it's correct

>>11848572
Based

>>11847985
>>11847989
>>11848094
>>11848220

It seems none of you can actually read.

The scientific truth: Evolution is not a model of the origin of life, and makes no inferences about a theistic vs atheistic worldview.

It is ideologically offensive because evolution has somehow become an argument for the naturalistic worldview, despite it being completely irrelevant. The fact that not a single one of you picked up on this is concerning. This is why academia is failing baka.

>>11847052
Race is not real, which is why when a black woman and a black man have a kid, it sometimes comes out white European, or even Asian.

>>11848751
Just because an arbitrarily defined group constituting 13% of the population commits over 50% of the violent crime, doesn’t mean the arbitrary basis on which the group was defined is any more valid or real

>>11848784
this is your brain on college liberalism

>>11848665
Oh shut the fuck up
The brain is malleable
Schools are proven to increase the IQ of children

>>11848602
Well, what's the diversity in Eastern Europe?

>>11848751
Define black
Define European
Define Asian

There are 50 ethic lineages in Europe
There are hundreds of ethic lineages in Asia
There are thousands of ethnic lineages in Africa.

But nooooo. Smooth brains have to sort it all by color

>>11848898
It's precisely as you describe it. The historical geographical isolation of each set of ethnic groups is the source of the genetic differences.

>>11848898
the fact that you can separate them just by looking at their faces for a fraction of a second, is proof enough that races exist. now go ahead and amuse me by providing examples where it is difficult to determine. NOBODY CARES, there are exceptions to every rule. the generalization is true most of the time.

>>11847009
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.

>>11848825
I'm afraid to go back to college. I think I'll get kicked out. I just don't give a fuck anymore at age 26. Is forced liberalism bad if I finish a stem degree? I just wanna stay in my own lane, but I am not writing an essay on nigger x.

>>11848924
>you can separate them just by looking at their faces for a fraction of a second
Are Caribbeans, Africans, and Papua's genetically linked?
Are Inuits and East Asians genetically linked?
Are South East Asians and Native Americans genetically linked?

Does Spaniards, Portugese, and Italians resemble French and Nords?

Go read a biology book because we are not going to simplify genetics just because it hurts your feelings

>>11848946
just because you can subcategorize blacks, doesnt mean the category "black" doesnt exist

>>11848946
>Are Inuits and East Asians genetically linked
I'm not even in this thread and I'm drunk as shit but I'm just gonna say that they are to my knowledge and also they look the same.

>>11848898
Define golden retriever
Define Arabian horse
Define Granny Smith

>>11848943
its not a big deal in stem. especially in stem oriented schools. more international students there are, the less people care (non americans do not give the slightest of fucks about SJW culture. most international students / immigrants i know absolutely hate BLM)

>>11848951
>muh simplistic world view
>muh pweewings
Shut the fuck up.
No one cares about melanin in genetics because morphology are extremely deceiving.
We read chromosomal datas and mithochondrial shit. Not melanin

>>11848957
Those are breeds, dumbass. Morphology does not affect you at the genetic level

>>11848953
They aren't. Inuits and Yippies are the same people who crossed the land bridge and became the Native Americans

They split up many many centuries ago

>>11848973
What the fuck is a yippie?

>>11848976
Shit, I mean't Yupik.
Don't know where I got that

>>11848967
get triggered all you want. race is an extremely intuitive way to categorize people. all your terminology doesnt add up to a hill of beans in the face of dindus underperforming in every scholastic category even when you correct of household income disparity.

>>11848980
LMAO
Check again.
Not a single academic person who studies biology takes your crap seriously

Race is a societal construct
Genetics is not.

Truth hurts, does it?

>>11848989
>race is a societal construct
This is not an empirical claim, i.e. it is not a claim that science can address. It is a taxonomic claim.

Plus, it reeks of political agenda. There are some taxonomic criticisms that are valid as far as whether or not race is a proxy for certain patterns. But the denial is entirely categorical, and therefore irrelevant to nature.

>>11848989
>NNNNOOOOOOOO someone is bad mouthing heckin niggerinoooss
>We should have moved past racismorinos by now NOOOOO

>>11848997
Pretty much
The only people who uses the word "race" seriously has an agenda
Whenever the word is used, /pol/ bullcrap begins

>>11848989
>Not a single academic person who studies biology takes your crap seriously
race science is literally forbidden knowledge. not because of scientific merit, but because of political agenda.
making this knowledge forbidden does give our society some much needed harmony, at the cost of letting certain subsections run wild

>>11849005
The classification of "race" as being outside the scientific method is what has an agenda. It is a lie repeated often by progressives, with or without professional responsibilities.

>>11848979
It's all good, I learned a bit about yuppies I didn't know before, but to the point, if there is one, didn't the common ancestors of inuits and yupiks derive from east asians, at least somewhat remotely? 10,000 years would be the rough minimum range we're looking at in a discussion on race.

>>11849011
>race science
LMAO
Sorry, not gonna read past that word.

Genetics is real and we've studied it for a long time already. Why not read something about it instead of listening to /pol/'s bullcrap

>>11849012
It was never outside of scientific method. It was rejected by the scientific method because race is literally impossible to define considering how intertwined the genetic lineages of every haplogroups

>>11849014
somewhat, they are more closely related to some siberian native groups than any of the southern east asians but if you go back far enough yes

>>11849022
>literally impossible to define
Another meaningless, categorical claim. There are statistical patterns and certain characteristics (categories) are proxies.

>>11849014
It's 40,000 years ago, actually

As far as mitochondrial data shows, they first arrived on Alaska as one group
They split up.
The first one move forward and became the native americas. Everyone - from aztecs to incans to Olmecs - all came from 24 mothers

Meanwhile: the second group got stuck by a winter that lasted for 10000 years which caused their body to adapt to the cold too much and found the heat of the south too uncomfortable for them.
They became the Eskimos

Cool stuff to learn about

>>11849032
Tell that to the experts so they too can laugh at you

>>11849043
The "scientific consensus" is built around a taxonomic claim, not an empirical one, and is primarily motivated by progressive racial politics.

>>11849051
uh huh

>>11849022
genetic subclusters exist, and some of them coincides with the intuitive definition of "race"
deal with it

>>11849058
What's the scale or the data being shown?

>>11849058
I look at this, and all I see is that wh*te people have more blue

>>11849058
basque more like BASED

Pragmatism is your best bet until things don't work. Only then does scientific understanding actually matter.

>>11849114
lets say you go all in on pragmatism, then after 10 years it stalls. now you are 10 years behind on science.

>>11848742
That's true, but you claimed that it "isn't a sound model." How is it not a sound model? You need to get your shit together before you start arguing things.

>>11848742
You're a rare breed.

>>11849061
Yeah, """some"""

>>11847079
>free will is an illusion of the ego
is there any evidence?

>>11849226
no evidence whatsoever. what he says is possible, but no one knows for sure.

i would argue what he says is necessarily true in a deterministic universe, but there is no reason to think we live in a deterministic universe (due to quantum shit)

>>11849138
I said it wasn't a sound model of the origin of life. Its still true. If I took out "sound" would that make you feel better? I'll admit that I added "sound" for the You(s).

>>11849384
>it wasn't a sound model of the origin of life.
To be clear, this is true, because it isn't about the origin of life. I've only heard creationists claim otherwise.

>>11847009
humans are animals

>>11847009
that /sci is not a science or math board, but a psychologically triggering/entertaining debate board, which generally frames it's bait somewhat within the topic of science or math.

>>11847192
What are you talking about? Functional imaging results absolutely change between sessions, and non-functional scans wouldn't be expected to predict IQ.

>>11849606
Meant for the other guy obviously.

No religion should exist.
It is not a scientific truth, but it counts considering what this forum is really about.

>>11848989

You should undergo a flogging for your retarded lies.

>>11848250
>psychology
I agree with many thinks you pointed out until I realized you really take psychology seriously. Shame.

>>11847242
from what I have gathered the claim that IQ is race-based may be biased in the sense that race is huge common factor for different socioeconomic levels and the growing environment for a child plays a big role on IQ. So it's more likely poverty is the indicator for IQ.

>>11849226
I would assume it's "true" in the sense that MOST human behaviour could be predicted by an hypothetical perfect computer.

>>11848602
>conveniently ignoring the fact that Maine also has one of the oldest populations in the country

>>11848943
Just do CLEP exams. Modernstates.org will give you a coupon for a free exam if you complete their free classes.

>>11849058
>look at this infograph with no citation OR legend for interpretation, bet you're feeling pretty silly now huh?
how can someone have such little self-awareness

>>11850160
How does that square with the poorest whites and East asians routinely outscoring the richest blacks in samples? The attached picture is consistently found on many different academic metrics. How could you not think people have run these regressions?

>>11847204
>And there was not a single difference between the brain structure of any ethnicity

Whites and East Asians average a cranial capacity of 1350 cm^3, blacks are among the lowest at around 1200cm^3. Big difference there as brain size and IQ correlate both within and between populations

>>11850160
>So it's more likely poverty is the indicator for IQ.

Yet for SAT scores, (on average); in order for blacks to beat the average score of the poorest whites (those with a family income of less than $20,000) requires blacks to have a family income of over $200,000.

Money sure didn't help them nor did poverty disadvantage white enough to bring them down to the level of blacks.

>>11849038
>24 mothers
cool stuff, ty Anon, but chibi is shit

>>11847120
free will can't exist in a deterministic universe

>>11847755
lol, this guy actually thinks people are born smart, i bet u have the hots for richard dawkins

>>11848250
>if you don't trust x you don't trust science

do you guys not know about the scientific method anymore over in psych world or are you just a troll?

>>11848267
this, also read thomas szasz he wrote books on it and psychs hate him because they can't come up with a valid defense

>>11847009
Blacks, aboriginals and native americans have been systematically abused by Caucasian people as long as they've met each other. The fact that white people are wealthier is proof of this abuse, Caucasians have exploited and still exploit land, labor and minds of people with darker skin tone.
The only way to end the systemic abuse is through reparation money that balances out thousands of years of discrimination. Giving away land to native Americans and reversing racism through affirmative action so more dark skinned people are encouraged to reproduce to get benefits.

>>11848665
give me one source and i'll give you five that state the contrary

>>11848709
violence among black people =/= genetics is the problem

give me one argument against it being a cultural problem without deflecting

>>11851056
blacks are violent wherever they're found and have consistently scored lower on intelligence tests for over a century. we know that low iq is associated wtih impulsivity and aggression. blacks generate aggressive high impulsivity culture wherever they're found and were civilized by europeans causing them to leap forward over a thousand years in cultural development from what were mostly warring tribal states characterized by constant internecine conflict, communal raiding, bride kidnapping and war slaving. they are only about 350-400 years removed from living and dying as europeans used to during the neolithic and bronze age periods.

>>11850943
>>11850916
I read the article (Dixon-Román, Everson, & McArdle, 2013) both of you posted and effectively there may be a correlation between race and SAT scores. I will try to read more about it in case there may be a bias from myself or the article I didn't realize before. I guess I will also view some SAT tests as I don't have them in my country to get a first-hand opinion on them.

>>11849252
false, quantum mechanics doesn't make any claims about non-determinism, that's just the pop-sci misinterpretation

>>11847009
>What are some difficult to accept, or ideologically offensive, scientific truths?

Norwegian popular science documentary series that aired on Norwegian state television in 2010. Exposes SJW ideas as fraudulent.

Hjernevask (Brainwash) 1/7 - The Gender Equality Paradox – (Eng. sub - HQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E577jhf25t4&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv&index=1

Hjernevask (Brainwash) 2/7 - The Parental Effect – (Eng. sub - HQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdE3EsOafY&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv&index=2

Hjernevask (Brainwash) 3/7 - Gay/Straight – (Eng. sub - HQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=150QBUAisoo&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv&index=3

Hjernevask (Brainwash) 4/7 - Violence – (Eng. sub - HQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPxQFyxdDz4&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv&index=4

Hjernevask (Brainwash) 5/7 - Sex – (Eng. sub - HQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TMDFD1s4WY&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv&index=5

Hjernevask (Brainwash) 6/7 - Race – (Eng. sub - HQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ1hK5WsHZ4&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv&index=6

Brainwash 7/7 – Nature or nurture – (Eng. sub - HQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMPfR3FWzVY&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv&index=7

>>11849677
science is a religion, but the theology happens to be rational

>>11847009

>>11850916
have you ever heard of culture anon? it's kind of a crucial part of our extended phenotype, and contrary to popular belief, has little to do with genetics and a lot to do with sociological context

show me data of black people raised by whites

>>11851088
with our current understanding, the universe is *provably* deterministic only if the future can be predicted. quantum mechanics work in ways that make it impossible to predict the future with certainty.

this is not a proof that the universe in nondeterministic, however, any claims to the universe being deterministic is also baseless

>>11847009
Man made global warming is a fabricated scam.

Color-coded human subpopulaions can differ in IQ, just as other medical statistics differ between them.

Modern peer review science is worth nothing anymore, there's so much obfuscated data, fake articles, retardeded models and so on that it's virtually all pointlessnoise.

Environmentalists are retarded

Nuclear power, gas and coal are the only realistic options for powering 90% of the world.

>>11851095
i absolutely love this documentary series. this will soon become forbidden knowledge, punishable by societal excommunication if its found on your hard drive. i honestly do believe this. maybe in a few decades this will happen

>>11851076
cool, deflected somewhat but gets us halfway there, have you looked into patterns of cultural evolution across populations? (most importantly caucasian populations)

>>11851122
Just put it on a microSD card and deal redpills along with LSD tabs.

>>11849173
No it isn't just "some", there is lots of data indicating humans of all races group people into the classical 5 races regardless of political views, intelligence, gender. It is a response to the biological reality, that humans are different depending on the place of their ethnogenesis.

No one says its clean, no one says its about purity, but there are biological reasons that there are differences between populations of humans that transcend time and space. It is a useful catagory, lower resolution than country/ethnic, but higher resolution than the whole of humanity that can be used to make predictions about the world (India will not massively surpass the living standards of Brazil, Sub-saharan africa cannot and will not maintain the standard of living in the modern west on its own, pmuch all major invention has and is occurring by ethnics of Caucasian descent)

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2008/02/21/319.5866.1100.DC1/Li_SOM.pdf

>>11851149
I have seen these pc1 pc2 charts, and I want to believe but where can I gain more insight as to wtf they mean and any inarguably trustworthy publications where this data appears?

>>11851117
exactly, but both are equally baseless

i skew somewhat towards the god doesn't play dice side of the discussion; even if we are able to show some kind of apparent randomness, given what we have discovered so far, it would go to stand that it is being counterbalanced by something we cannot see; making it deterministic, but impossible to predict

i think total existence makes a lot more sense than selective existence

>>11851076
guess you're a different anon, but yep that's exactly it

>>11851152
I mean what do you want? Textbook recomendations? an article? Look up principle component analysis on google if you are completely new.

By unarguably trustworthy do you want a paper proving the method is valid for providing a physical basis for categorization. In which case i can point to the use of a similar method to establish different species of giraffe ( there are 4) when it was previously thought there was one species and 9 subspecies. There have been no attempts to retract this paper and, as far as I am aware, was received without controversy. Funny how this stuff is uncontroversial when applied to other species eh?
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2816%2930787-4

The modern conception of "gender" has no scientific or utilitarian basis.
If you empirically start examining the concept it will cancel itself out.
Unless you get canceled first of course.

>>11847052
>Race is not real
retard, you're distorting the definition of race. kys.

>>11847059
what would happen if you don't do the abortion?
Answer to this simple question you absolute brainlet

>>11847009
Only empiric science is real science.

>>11850916
> Posts graph
> No error bars, statistics or indications of sample size
> Claims it to be a scientific publication
No.

>>11851149
Then stop calling it race and just call it genetic cluster.

Race is a societal construct. Ask /pol/ if Slavs, Greeks, and Italians are white and they would say no. Alas, the genetic cluster may have a different opinion

>>11850906
Reverse google search it

>>11850924
>Phrenology is a pseudoscience which involves the measurement of bumps on the skull to predict mental traits.
Yeah...

>>11848989
>Race is a societal construct
>Genetics is not.
With 160 short gene sequences race can be determined with 100% accuracy between whites, blacks and asians.
https://archive.is/eYYSb

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN ONLY POINT OUT RACE WHEN IT’S POLITICALLY CONVENIENT FOR ME OTHERWISE IT’S A CONSTRUCT

>>11848250
Treating science like a religion is exactly the kind of thinking a weak minded liberal partakes in.

>>11848576
this. the only choice people can have is whether or not it's immoral or not and not whether it's murder or not.

>>11847059
Yes it is, but it's tolerated murder for the good of the economy.

>>11847009
We are primitive apes unable and incapable of advancing beyond the current civilization filter because of our individualistic greed and lack of modern consensus genocide is acceptable.

> appeal is more important than the content

>>11847019
I feel bad for you
here's your (You) anon

>>11847755
Why can you not stand us? lmao

>>11852684
Exactly the sort of vague snarky nonsense I'd expect from one of you.

>>11852687
Youre further proving my assumption. Go outside my man. Even if I am dumber than you at least I'm not a tense ball of hatred. Doesn't matter how verbose your response is, a miserable cunt is a miserable cunt.

Immortality doesn't mean eternal life. It just means that life would just be with time. It is only our mortal mind that tells us that death is okay, and it has been an effective way to end decaying bodies.

>>11847009
Despite whites dying more on average from caronavirus in the UK, non-whites are more likely to get ICU treatment, probably due to preferential treatment for PC reasons.

>>11847009
Just because you're a feminist doesn't mean you're right.

>>11851709
>Use the words I want you to use
No, race is the historically correct word to use.
>Its a social construct
So is every catagory, that doesn't alter its validity. It changes? so what? Lots of categories morph we don't invent different names all the time. Electricity is still 'electricity' even though the conceptual understanding has changed.
>Ask /pol/
HAHAHahahahahHAHA no. Is this meant to be an argument or something? Some dudes on 4chan joke about what is and isn't white - the basis for a category? You are an idiot.

>>11854753
What genetic cluster does the likes of people who live in trade routes fall into?
Should race apply to Romans when they share the same genetic clusters as the Middle East, N.Africans, and Europeans?
What about Latin America who had the same genes of Native Americans and Spaniards?
There is a country in Africa that imported so much white slaves during the Barbary trades that their average lactose intolerance was so much lower than their neighbors.

The fuck is even the scientific definition of race.

>>11851742
>As a result, there is a large body of literature comparing phenotypes between cohorts defined, for example, as “blacks” and “whites.” In recent years, the validity of this classification scheme has been criticized for its weak conceptual underpinnings and its strong assumptions about underlying biology (Lee et al. 2001; Wilson et al. 2001; Foster and Sharp 2002). Given the growing availability of large collections of human genetic data from populations throughout the world, it was anticipated that the reliability of such proxies would be resolved via empirical testing (Mountain and Cavalli-Sforza 1997; Rannala and Mountain 1997; Shriver et al. 1997). Instead, recent, well-publicized studies have led to disparate and sometimes contradictory conclusions (Wilson et al. 2001; Risch et al. 2002). The result has been increased polarization about the nature of human population structure and a widespread belief that all commonly used proxies correspond poorly to genetically inferred clusters (Witzig 1996; Goodman 2000; Schwartz 2001). However, contrasting interpretations of the same set of data (Wilson et al. 2001) suggest that the signal from these data is too weak to justify such strong inferences (Risch et al. 2002).
>Fourth, the proxies associated with the samples used in this analysis were sometimes, though not always, sufficient representations of the inferred genetic clusters, reflecting the complex and interwoven history of the human species.
Determining your geographical lineage is easy as shit. But come on, man. every lineage is far too intertwined that justifying the complexity of genetics as 3 colors of Race is just fuckin stupid

>>11855988
>citing studies on 20 year old papers
whew lad.

>>11856006
That is the study he linked, dumbass
>20 years old
>old
Since when did facts had an expiration date?

>>11856020
Genetics has changed massively in the past 20 years. 2002-2003 genetics research is completely incomparable to modern studies, totally invalidates both yours and the other guy's links.

>>11856063
lul
Prove it

>>11847009
Biological differences in men and women. Social differences arising in accord with biological differences.

>>11847009
>>11852175
Premodern people were more self-aware, open-minded, and intelligent.

>>11849390
>I've only heard creationists claim otherwise.
Dishonest. You hear it more from nu-atheists and nu-rationalists. This is because their identity posits itself as a reaction to American religious fundamentalism (which is heretical btw) by matching its fundamentality and presenting evolution in part as a question of the origin of life.

>>11856006
What is the expiration length for scientific data? 19 years? 10 years? 5 years? Whatever Bill Nye tells you?

>>11848250
>Psychology
>Science
retard

>>11849022
https://twitter.com/VEDIC_CYBERGOD/status/1276359563093127169

looks pretty real to me chief

>>11847059

This is not a scientific claim. Its normative, not descriptive.

>>11847009
Humans either like furshit or lie. It's scientifically impossible to not get aroused by anthros.

>>11856582
See the part where Egyptians have more SMid and Medid genes than Pygmid?
Does that mean they are more white than black?

true

>>11858411
what is a false dichotomy

>>11847052
You're right anon, abortion is murder. The good type of murder

>>11856582

Not him but you just proved his point though. Look at Tanzania, Ethopia, Egypt, Somalia, Turkish all of Central Asia and Siberia. None of them cleanly fit into any race basically leaving them into interpretation.

Then you have the Onge (Andamanese islanders off of India) and Papuan (Melanesia) who both look like sub-saharan Africans but have zero genes related to them. Making them phenotypically similar yet genotypically more distant than even Europeans are to Sub-saharan Africans.

>>11858505

He's not wrong, what are the Egyptians according to that graph?

>>11847744
Retard. The Moden Evolution Theory describes the origin of the various species, it doesn't talk about the origin of life.

>>11850916
how could you look at that and not think

Let's do something?

i mean, think of all that wasted economic potential just for starters!

>>11856234
>What is the expiration length for scientific data?
48 hours. I like my science fresh and relevant.

>>11858526
>>11858411
Genetic reductionism is a fallacy for a reason.

>>11847009
There cannot be any instant where a quantum measurement takes place (any attempt to state it is when this or that lead to paradoxes that can be reliably perform in laboratories). So it occurs only in the mind of the observer and is the moment he realizes the outcome.
In other words, many world is true.

>>11847127
Godel formally proved the opposite of this.

>>11860578
Where?

>>11860581
In any recursive formal theory that encodes arithmetics, it is possible to represent provability. You have a mechanical procedure that to every formal statemement P, returns a number #P. And there is a predicate D such that for every formal statement Q, D(#Q) means that Q is provable.
Lobs theorem states that: if D(#Q) => Q is provable, then Q is provable.
In particular, since the theory is inconsistant if and only if it proves every statement, if and only if it proves (in the case of arithmetics) 0=1, then we have D(#(0 = 1)) => (0=1) unprovable, or arithmetics is inconsistent.
So the absence of proof of (0=1) (consistency) is not the same as the proof of the absence of such proof (the latter is (NOTD(#0=1)), which is equivalent to D(#(0=1))).
Check "Godel second incompleteness theorem" and "Lob theorem" for further details.

>>11860618
>So the absence of proof
I said the absence of evidence, not proof.

>>11848563
It's fine outside of having a nigger for a "dad"

>>11848250
Isn't it the scientific right of all people to be skeptical? The Scientific Method hinges on skepticism in order to progress human knowledge, if we believed we knew everything perfectly we would have no reason to seek out new knowledge. You can be skeptical of theory, hypothesis, and even statistical results.

>>11855962
>continuum fallacy
>Romans. This isn't true. The expansionist Romans were a distinct genetic cluster, which is why they were able to conquer swathes of europe with so few men.
>Latin america
There are different groups in latin america so you'll have to be more specific. They are mixed. Again continuum fallacy. Nature is messy, same can be said for categories such as subspecies or even species.

>Scientific definition
A useful category that can be used as a predictor. Race is more resolved than considering humans as a whole, but less resolved than nations. This is useful for large regional trends (Africa will never maintain the standard of living of the west no matter how much money we pump in, middle easterners are more likely to inbreed, native americans are more likely to get hooked on drugs, far east nations will be more authoritarian)

None of your criticisms are new. None haven't been dealt with. You're not as clever as you think you are. Out

There is no limit to anything.

Even to my retardation.

>>11847009
Saying "race isnt real" is like saying "tables arent real".

>>11847019

>>11861534
Yes but the problem is science is about degrees of certainty. I'm pretty certain earth is a sphere though having not been to space. I'm pretty sure electricity exists.

The problem is people claim its fair to be as skeptical about IQ/g as it is to be about magic, fairies...i.e. the rebuttals like "IQ is a bad predictor" "IQ isn't normally distributed"... To anyone associated with the field it is like watching creationists state "There are no full fossil progressions" or "We weren't there so we don't know", i.e. the people know so little about the field they think they are being smart with their critiques - which they probably got from some NYT article or YT video.

To quote Jensen "The environmentalist claim has been present and pursued from the emergence of IQ study. Entire lives were pursued in the search for positive proof of environmentalism, none was found" (paraphrasing).

Being skeptical is fine, but being skeptical about IQ should be like being skeptical about the theory evolution/atoms/universal expansion exist - you better have a good, original, quantifiable prediction and a damn good argument. This is a 100+ year old field, that people have been trying to disprove for 100+ years, where the opposition has produced no positive claim - they just endlessly criticize their opponents. Be skeptical, but be smart too.

when there is no reason for wars, we create them.

>>11861680
>There are different groups in latin america so you'll have to be more specific
>insists on reducing it all to 3 races

Yeah, not gonna read past that

>>11860358
You posted the same thing already.
We know what genetic cluster is and it isn't races.

Plenty of what is considered a Black race is more European and vice versa. And you posted it right here>>11856582

So, please. Stop embarassing yourself

ITT: people stating obvious shit they think is "difficult to accept" or "ideologically offensive" due to their shit-tier upbringing

>>11861719
>I'm pretty certain earth is a sphere though having not been to space.
But earth isn't a sphere it's a bumpy oblate spheroid.

>>11850963
shit taste

>>11861940
i never said there were only 3 try again dumbo

>>11861972
i know

>>11861940
Never reduced anything either. I'm just defending race as a reasonable category. I never said it was clean, perfect, or everything can be explained using it. You are projecting and have little capacity for any subtlety in your reasoning it seems.

>>11862049
>I'm just defending race as a reasonable category.
lul ok

>>11861719
The problem with IQ is that it gives you the result but offers no reason for it.
Thus, people always uses it to valiadate whatever belief they have despite the fact that there are so many factors at play. None of which are biological.

>>11847115
so in this analogy is the sperm the pointer? if so, male dominance once again confirmed.

>>11847204
Demonstrably false. Why come to the internet and lie like that?
Going out on a limb here, but you type like a kike.

>>11862137
>None of which are biological.
>nutrition isn't biology
>t. brainlet
https://jech.bmj.com/content/66/7/624.short

>>11861707
High iq post

>>11858526
>Not him but you just proved his point though. Look at Tanzania, Ethopia, Egypt, Somalia, Turkish all of Central Asia and Siberia
What the fuck are you even talking about dipshit? You conflated nationalities with regions and race mixing exists so depending of the mix you are going to be related to a bigger cluster than others
>>11861951
Just say that you are a retard from social 'science' that can not tolerate that empirical evidence goes against your insane shit concept of equality or worse you are an actual faggot from STEM, and your intellectual cowardice can not tolerate that there are better races than others

>>11862275
Ok, let me rephrase that:
None of which were proven to be of genetic reasons

>>11847052
>bait, the post
And you guys fell for it? >>11847085 >>11847192 >>11848558 >>11848751 >>11851616

He even fucking mentioned abortion, and the (inherently subjective) term "murder"!

>>11847075
>Minorities are generally very conservative, but only vote liberal for free stuff.
"Free stuff" is an inherently liberal concept. (Well, in the American sense of the word "liberal").

You should say that "minorities tend to hold socially conservative views", or something.

>>11847145
You can certainly lose reputation and status, but did Watson or anyone ever lose their Nobel prize?

>>11847315
This is pretty widely known.

>>11847488
Your metaphor is so flawed, it's just stupid.

>>11847744
>Modern evolutionary theory is not a sound model of the origin of life
Well, no. Because for life to "evolve", you need life to exist already. The first living cell coming into existence, isn't a part of biological evolution.

>>11847204
>And there was not a single difference between the brain structure of any ethnicity
Why are you just making shit up?

>>11847769
The global birth rate is 2.3, and falling. It's likely to go below 2 in a few decades.

>>11851719
>Measuring brain mass or skull volume, or the size of various parts of the brain is phrenology
Ok, retard.

>>11848541
Most of these are "ought" statements, and as such, not really "scientific".

>>11848559
Isn't white-male-black-female an uncommon type of marriage?

>>11848742
>Evolution is not a model of the origin of life, and makes no inferences about a theistic vs atheistic worldview.
It would conflict with the traditional Creationist interpretation of biological origins, correct?

So it isn't necessarily "naturalist", but it does exclude one major "non-naturalist" belief system. And as such, I understand why it became a major issue in the "Culture Wars".

>>11848989
You don't know anything. People like Watson regularly cause public shitstorms over their statements on race.

>>11849582
That's true for most of 4chan.

>>11862137
>No reason
This is not true. We have localized genes that affect intelligence, 30% of the variance in intelligence can now be conclusively placed at the genes, and it can only go up.

Also
https://www.human-intelligence.org/intelligence-is-genetic/
To sum up, how is something that is stable over time and whatever environment the individual is in, predictable based on parent IQ, shows 0.8 heritability in twin studies, no appreciable gain/ decrease in iq in adoption studies...not genetic?

>>11847009
The fandom ruined Undertale.

>>11847009

Global climate averages are only convincing to ppl that didn't study physics or statistics.

>>11863404
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

>>11863419

By far the most impressive group in climate science.

>>11856165
The stitching is kinda poor and it looks a bit retarded, but I like your strawman.

>>11862556
Just another passing anon to call you a retard.

Do you not understand how population structures work? The data you were pointing out had a heavy emphasis on the fact that they need to use neutral loci in what is frankly an absurd number to get anything remotely close to what could be called "racial" seperation. But in reality it's not seperating by anything but geographic locality because population structures are a bitch.

If you look at actually coding dna the only things that really show any differentials on scales larger than a mountain top are melanin production.

>>11847009
Lack of FTL implies generation ships as a strict necessity for time travel. Meeting the needs of every member of a population isn't optional for true space colonization. Escapist philosophies lead to dead generations.

>>11863071
All those heratibility studies. Jesus Christ, how long are retards like you going to try and use a technique that doesn't work outside of the strictest of lab enviorments? Even in then it is rough potatoes and a genetic analysis will BTFO of it almost instantly.

>>11847009
That complex systems are impossible to truly understand and model and thus human knowledge will eventually reach a stagnation point.

That climate change isn't the end of the world or humanity.

>>11863541
>That complex systems are impossible to truly understand and model
Sounds like a very convenient way to deny any understanding you don't like. Creationists say the same thing about evolution.

>>11863533
>as a strict necessity for space travel
Excuse me.

>>11863565
>Sounds like a very convenient way to deny any understanding you don't like. Creationists say the same thing about evolution
Sadly no and Creationists aren't the only ones that say that about evolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

>>11863568
Complex does not mean chaotic. Weather is chaotic because it is determined primarily by fluid dynamics, the flow of energy in the atmosphere and oceans. Climate on the other hand is determined primarily by how much energy is in the system, not how the energy moves around the system. Both are complex but only one is chaotic.

>>11863599
>unironically stating that climate isn't a chaotic system despite being one of the most prominent fields within chaos theory
You're not the brightest bulb in the shed

>>11847408
Incorrect. I know this is bait, but I reply anyway: While it might be (rightfully) "difficult to accept" this and "ideologically offensive" to a person who's traditionalist, it certainly isn't a scientific truth.
A trans woman is still biologically a male. A trans woman will never be and can't be a woman. This is a fact. And this is the scientific truth.

>>11863689
The next leap in genetic engineering is to use genes from your parents. After that, the hard problem is figuring out *which* copy of the X gene to take from your mother to create the correct alternate gender version of yourself. Cloning becomes legal when people get bored.

>>11847019
That's not very difficult to accept

>>11863606
Weather is. Can you read?

Please explain which understanding and models in climate science are not allowed according to chaos theory.

>>11863784
>state one is chaotic and the other isn't
>proven wrong and proceeds to put words in my mouth
Models != understanding. Models = understanding of aspects, not the whole. Too many dynamic variables is why it can't be understood. You can understand aspects and draw models to a degree of accuracy but not precision up to a certain point. As time moves forward the models become less and less accurate due to a lack of understanding of the variables involved which also evolve with the system. Inherent unpredictability in the system means a perpetual lack of full understanding because the system 1.) is always changing, 2.) error is inevitability and 3.) never repeats. That is not to say you can't semi-accurately model the system for some time or that understanding aspects are beyond humans, just like any other n-body problem, just that true understanding and precise unrestricted modeling is beyond our grasp.

>>11863856
Third anon. Your post is decent, but it doesn't address what anon was saying. You sought to correct a misunderstanding that wasn't present in the original dialogue.

>>11863872
English is not my first language. Could you perhaps reword for me since I have some fundamental misunderstanding of the argument?

>>11847009
I, working alone in total intellectual isolation, outdid the combined efforts of every other living physicist and mathematician put together.

>thread is just /pol/ nonsense

K here are the real truth bombs:
You can’t go faster than light
Things get weird at absolute zero
The universe is expanding at an increasing rate
Bob Saget raped and killed a girl in 1990

>>11863856
>Models != understanding.
LOL where did I say the opposite? I said understanding and models, same as you did. You're the one putting words in my mouth.

>Too many dynamic variables is why it can't be understood.
Source?

>You can understand aspects and draw models to a degree of accuracy but not precision up to a certain point. As time moves forward the models become less and less accurate due to a lack of understanding of the variables involved which also evolve with the system.
The same can be said about any science. But thanks for admitting you can understand and model the climate.

>>11864054
>LOL where did I say the opposite? I said understanding and models, same as you did. You're the one putting words in my mouth.
No, you're conflating an understanding of the part with understanding of the whole when they're two very different things.

>Source?
Literally the wiki article, or Edward Lorenz. Pick your poison.

>But thanks for admitting you can understand and model the climate
But you can't to any degree of precision, let alone certainty.

>>11863700
This is pretty much going to happen anyway. It's the same with drugs and homosexueals as well. If it gets boring, they go further to the "taboo" thing to get more excitement. It's not a coincidence that the new overton-window is that pedos are a part of the LGBTQ+ community too. Look up "MAPPride" and "MAPPositivity" and look how more and more people start to support it. It's disgusting. Step by step they'll legalize every perverted group until it's completely legal to make a clone of someone and rape that clone, because it's considered "just" another fetish in public.

>>11864062
>No, you're conflating an understanding of the part with understanding of the whole when they're two very different things.
What parts? Can you actually tell me what you disagree with in climate science?

>Literally the wiki article, or Edward Lorenz. Pick your poison.
Where do either say the climate has too many variables to understand?

>But you can't to any degree of precision, let alone certainty.
We already have.

>>11863537
>Doesnt work outside lab
wrong
>Genetic analysis
Those analyses that are confirming the quantitative genetics studies, and the hereditarian position? You are retarded if you think genetic studies are BTFOing this stuff.

>>11863071
>References for the Whole Page
>Richard Lynn
6 FUCKING MENTIONS

Yeah, of fucking course!
The only person you can link is the guy who lost his teaching license precisely because of his bullshits

>The SPLC stated that "for 50 years, Richard Lynn has been at the forefront of scientific racism",[5] that "he argues that the nations with the highest IQs must subjugate or eliminate the lower-IQ groups within their borders in order to preserve their dominance",[5] and summarizes his career thus:

>Since the 1970s, Richard Lynn has been working tirelessly to place race, genes, and IQ at the center of discussions surrounding inequality. Through his own writings and those published by his Ulster Institute for Social Research, in Northern Ireland, Lynn argues that members of different races and nations possess innate differences in intelligence and behavior, and that these are responsible for everything from the incarceration rate of black Americans to the poverty of developing nations. Lynn is also an ethnic nationalist who believes that countries must "remain racially homogenous" in order to flourish.[5]

>The centre has also stated that "Lynn uses his authority as [former[2]] professor (emeritus) of psychology at the University of Ulster to argue for the genetic inferiority of non-white people."[5]

>Lynn is a frequent speaker at conferences hosted by the white-nationalist publication American Renaissance.

>>11863599

>...not how the energy moves around the system.

That is the most ignorant comment I've read on 4c

>>11864873
It's correct.

>>11864251
Go outside.

>>11864873
you're the kind of retard that can't tell the difference between individual spins of roulette vs the betting odds of winning in roulette.
las vegas thrives on idiots like you

>>11847454
3rd world living conditions and lack of education. Malaria and starvation literally make you retarded.

>>11847052
based as fuck

>>11847075
>Trans people will never actually transition.
it's about being a better person. cis women suck anyway

>>11865302
>starvation literally make you retarded.
this. don't underestimate the ability of a person's mind to go to very dark places.

>>11847009

Natural H-cup tits and six pack abs are mutually exclusive.

>>11861719
lived a sheltered life. humanity is awful and there's no silver lining. your intellect challenges their 'purpose in life' they will gaslight and toxic masculinity you into a corner. you swing back. anger kicks in and you see how inferior men function

oh gawd my post is cringe still gonna post it tho lol.

>>11864251
>>11864251
>This is pretty much going to happen anyway. It's the same with drugs and homosexueals as well. If it gets boring, they go further to the "taboo" thing to get more excitement. I
you're describing degenerate people. that;s the stereotype before LGBT, homosexuals are degenerate

someone on /b/ taught me 'writing another person off as worthless is an act of great violence' but my gawd they cause suffering without realizing it.

Ghosts are real. God is real.

>>11847009
neanderthal dna is associated with scientific outliers

>>11847059
It is and I have no problem with it whatsoever.

>>11862799
>The global birth rate is 2.3, and falling. It's likely to go below 2 in a few decades.
Only temporarily. Natural selection will make it go up again. It is only falling because the dominate phenotype right now is the one that has less kids but they will be replaced with a phenotype that has more kids.
For example mormons have 10 kids each

>>11865266
>tell the difference between individual spins of roulette vs the betting odds of winning in roulette.
Brainlet here.
Can you explain?

>>11848883
Schools make kids numb and hate learning

>>11849011
>does give our society some much needed harmony
No it isn't. I think that the contrary is true. Even when people try to suppress it with idealism and ideological sloganing, they know something is wrong and it just makes them feel, deep down, conflicted

>>11847009
Any civil engineer will tellyou that 9/11 was an inside job

>>11848886
gypsies, muslims, and the echoes of communism

The existence of homosexual women debunks the science that is used to defend the idea that you're born gay.

The existence of homosexual women debunks the science that is used to defend the idea that you're born gay.
>>11865782
https://youtu.be/NarI0URhWg0?t=152
This specific video is obsessed with that "science".

The existence of homosexual women debunks the science that is used to defend the idea that you're born gay.
https://youtu.be/NarI0URhWg0?t=152 [Embed]
This specific video is obsessed with that "science".

The existence of homosexual women debunks the science that is used to defend the idea that you're born gay.
https://youtu.be/NarI0URhWg0?t=152
This specific video is obsessed with that "science".

>>11847019
This board is for Math & Science, not politics. That being said, I don't see IQ data on your image.

>>11851622
We are supposed to be the smartest. *dusts fedora* check your grammar before you post.

But put simply, it lives to birth if the mother doesn't do something stupid or other factors come into play.

>>11856006
If that were how science worked, we'd never progress since we'd burn all progress made and keep starting over.

>>11848665
The IQ tests I've taken have all depended on prior knowledge. You haven't taken one yet.

>>11847783
Based on the fact the Olympics are from ancient Greece quite a few I reckon.
But even then. Sport as entertainment is degenerate and the most plebeian thing imaginable.

>>11851056
Which black majority country isn't a shit fest? How many percent of them have higher education? How many of the non educated ones are just generally niggers? The percentage of Niggers outweighs wiggers vastly

>>11864743
Jesus Christ, can we have one thread that doesn't devolve into Richard Lynn bias in either direction?
Yes, he did take some liberties with his sampling. Was it statistically relevant? Based on the data he acquired, probably not. But that will be argued as self referential and invalid. His character will be attacked, and deflected because the conversation is about the data and not your perception of him. Then we get to talk about eugenics, which is unequivocally based but people get assblasted about it because they construe it as an entirely racist concept. They will then be called out for assuming other races are inferior because if they weren't why would eugenics be racist? No one will change their opinion on anything and each side will think they btfo the order.
You're all faggots, and I literally have a relationship with a man because he's funding my project and he made it clear he wanted to fuck me over the course of the several years I've known him.

>>11848980
>irish weren't white until like a century ago
>now/soon mexicans are white
race doesn't exist, there is no basis for it within actual genetics, its just peoples opinion on what arbitrary categories certain genetic groups belong to with out any actual material links between them.

>>11865865
You see education. Most people working in McDonalds aren't as smart as College students.
retard

>>11847971
You realize the Catholic Church accepts evolution right?

>>11864743
You're the idiot. Thinking this page is all there is, all these studies have been replicated ad nauseum. Mata studies have shown similar results, ad nauseum. When are you people going to shut up about "LYNN BAD" and look at the damn data? Or is that too cognitively complex for you?

>SPLC
This is not a scientific institution. If they could prove the environmentalist case that would be nice. But guess what, the environmentalist case has been pushed since the first IQ tests were substantianted by spearman. 100+ years of no serious counter theory that the hereditarian approach doesn't explain with fewer, quantifiable, reliable, presuppositions.

Are the races equal then, a coincidence? Evolution stopped at the neck 50,000 years ago on the savanna (which we know to be false)? They are the same but have produced wildly different histories, populations, cultures... My starting assumptions on all of this (which have been substantiated) is that divergent evolution occurs in humans and civilisation/agriculture/animal husbandry heightened selection pressures? What are yours?

>>11866356
Ok fine dont call it race. Human populations are different at a phenomenological level - why wouldn't a phenomenological difference be manifest in the genes on closer inspection?- unless you believe these differences that transcend time and space are caused by magic, evolution doesn't occur.
It was reasonable to single out ireland from western europe (they, metrically, lie east of the hajnal line). People being dumb 100 years ago does not refute a category or prove it.

>No genetic evidence
Try again (pic related)

>>11866730

>>11866336
>>11866720
He beleives that skin color is related to IQ
His work was never published and rejected by mainstream academic media
He believes that intelligence is correlated with cold climates
And yes, there have been enough critics from his own field who outright rejected his work for "disregarding scientific objectivity", "misrepresenting data", and for "racism"

So, yeah. That's that.

>>11847019
That is true, it is not a valid argument in favor or against Trump though.

>>11866739
Another post using facts to spread misinformation
Yes, you can tell the geological origin of every gene and the genes of a European is different from African
But the same time, you would find that Africans can be divided between Africans and Europeans to Europeans. Africans being the most genetically diverse group of all

Egyptian, Tanzania, Chilote, Ojibwa and Somali have more European but they are not white. Race does not exist because it overly simplifies the complexity of genetics into lteral skin deep.

>>11865354
My point is that with the start of legalization of homosexuality, there was an uprise of several other (much more perverted) groups demanding support and demanding to be part of LGBT. "MAPPride" and "MAPPositivity" and other pedo apologist statements is an inherent consequence of that. Everyone did predict it back then and everyone laughed at it believing it wouldn't happen. And here we are now.

>>11864251
>Look up MAPPositivity
>First result is Twitter #
>Most posts using #MAPPositivity are all negative towards MAPS
>r/MAPPositivity is banned
Good to know most people aren't degenerates

>>11867380
Thank god. But we need to keep this fight up and prevent these degenerates from ever gaining support. Or else we're about to fall for that overton-window again. And if this shit ever gets legalized in my lifetime, I am pretty sure that the birth rate will even fall lower because most people (including me) don't want to put kids into a world who can be groped by 50-year old man or women "legally". Absolutely disgusting.

>>11847158
We will die on Earth, these planets you mention are moving away from us faster than we will ever even be able to travel.

>>11852753
I think this is what actual peak cope looks like

>>11847075
There are a notable portion of people who are born with such a cluster fuck of X and Y chromosomes that would fall out of the standard male or female measurement. Most trans people tho are just a twee bit loony.

>>11866876
>"the taxonomical rank kingdom does not exist because it overly simplifies the complexity of species into literal domains of life"

No it is not a useless category, it is less resolved than nations (which seems to be your qualm) but more resolved than the whole of humanity. No one said its clean. No one said its about skin colour either - why don't we test for
disease resistance
crime rates
iq
rates of diabetes (controling for calorific intake)
muscle density
rates of individualism/collectivism

we have, and they all show correlations resolved at the level of race. It seems to be a useful category to me. Further more people of all races group people of other races into the same number of races, when asked to. Its not just skin deep - its a biological reality.

Your argument is "The category isn't perfect so it shouldn't exist." Come back when you have an original argument

>>11866782
>skin colour is related to iq
it is. Doesn't mean its causal, but yes, brown skinned have lower average iq than white skinned
>His work was rejected by academia
False. Just browse this
http://www.rlynn.co.uk/index.php?page=publications
Unless: Nature, Intelligence, Journal of biosocial science, british journal of psychology, population and environment, personality and individual differences, are all bastions of evil racist publication in your mind i do not know how you could think this?
>inb4 "Muh mankind quarterly"
Yeah show me a study/ analysis/ letter from this journal that has been proved to be worse/ less informed/ lower quality than work by other established journals. Not quotes by people who publish there.

>intelligence is correlated with cold climates
it is, and it is easy to understand why. Hard winters -> long term future planning beneficial -> people who don't do this have them/ their families die -> removing genes assiciated from lower iq from the gene pool -> repeat every winter since 30000 years ago + wars/famine/ disease all adding to this effect = population genetically predisposed to higher intelligence.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289607000669?via%3Dihub

>>11852753
Cope

>>11847019
What do colleges do with IQ? You do realize that as long you are a politician or someone famous, you can get in easily. You underestimate the amount of retards at these places.

>>11866876
>Egyptian, Tanzania, Chilote, Ojibwa and Somali have more European

Huh? Aren't they North African? Just because some have white looking features (Which Came from the Barbery Slave Trade) doesn't make them white

>>11867889
False. People with rich parents are more likely to have high IQ than someone randomly picked from the population.

>>11867789
Race is a bad way to categorize things because where do you even begin and where do you draw the line?

Africa has the most diverse gene pool of all genetic clusters because not all genetic lineages of Homo Sapiens migrated out. Not to mention that the region is bigger than Europe and East Asia. Are you going to just brand them all as "Black Race"?

Of course not. That would be stupid

>>11867850
Sorry, mate. None of his works were peer reviewed and he lost his license for a reason

I'm taking the studies made by academies than one single person with dubious history

>>11867921
population clusters exist and they differ in ways that are measurable.
race is an intuitive social construct that has large overlaps with clusters of genetic and phenotypical clusters. meaning, even tho there are fringe cases where the intuitive "race" definition craps the bed, it is by and large an accurate categorization

>>11867927
peer review is how you silence dissenting scientific opinions. if the man did a study and found particular average IQ's, there is absolutely nothing you can say to rebut it apart from calling the results fabricated.

and now riddle me this, how come all these "there are no racial differences" folks dont just test 100+ africans and 100+ europeans and show that there is no difference whatsoever? there are countless people who would love to see such a result. yet they cant produce such a result, because the test results for these populations are significantly different.

>>11867946
Only if you are referring to regions that experienced extreme bottleneck events like Europeans, Chinese, Australian Abos, and N&S Americas.

It would be stupid to use that on Africa that has thousands of ethic lineages whereas most regions have just a few dozens

>>11867962
>having your studies challenged by experts is bad
lul

And yes, we have tested people of every race since forever. You can interpret IQ results however you wish
But as far as neuro science are concerned, there is no difference

That orcs are responsible for almost all violent crime.

>>11867903
Barbary Trade was named as such because it happened mostly on the Barbary Coast - the western part of N.Africa.

Egypt was hardly part of it.

>>11867919
Tell that to David Hogg who got a 1200 on his SAT and Jazz a literal tranny who got into Harvard

>>11867966
"race" manifests differences that make it extremely easy and straightforward for human eye to categorize visible differences between these population clusters. if the visible physical characteristics make it so easy to assign people to clusters, why shouldnt there be invisible traits that go together with the visible traits that help human eyes categorize populations.

>>11867927
>None were peer reviewed
False
>Studies made by acadamis
Show 1 that goes against what lynn states.

>>11867975
>And yes, we have tested people of every race since forever. You can interpret IQ results however you wish
>But as far as neuro science are concerned, there is no difference
in other words, even people who so terribly want to believe there are no racial differences, fail to produce results that show different population groups have equivalent IQ.
JUST
FUCKIN
LAUGH

>>11867998
Bro, can you tell that Spanish people share the same European genes as French?

>>11868012
i would imagine french are closer to spanish than africans.

>>11868009
Mate, no one takes IQ seriously.
In fact, no one takes the entire Psychology seriously

Other than idiots, I assume

>>11868018
And Africans have the exact same image as Papuans

>>11868029
and i would imagine french and spanish have higher iq than both africans and papuans

>>11867975
>experts
The people challenging papers are not experts on the papers being submitted- especially in anything approaching psychology/social science. Nuff said.

>Neuroscience
You mean how different races have different brain sizes AND specific regions of the brain have different shapes? You do not know what you are talking about.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26449760/
https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/2019-lee.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289604001357
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2019.00044/full#B106

>>11868020
>NOOOOOOOOO
>YOU CANT TAKE IQ SERIOUSLY BECAUSE NO ONE TAKES IT SERIOUSLY. NOOOOOO YOU DONT EXIST BECAUSE NO ONE TAKES IQ SERIOUSLY

If no one took it seriously we wouldnt be here discussing it

>>11868050
None of those are saying anything about the difference between the brains of any races, mate.
Every single one just speaks about correlation between brain size and IQ.

>>11868054
We aren't.

>>11867921
>Colour is a bad way to catagorize things bc where do you even begin to draw the line? Green has a greater number of hues than any other colour, not to mention the regional wavelength is bigger than blue or red. Are you just going to call it the colour green? Of course not that would be stupid.

>>11868096
>comparing color to genes.

>>11868072
Does brain size vary between races?
https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/6023745
Here you go, these studies are routine btw, just use google scholar if you want more.

>>11868110
>as brain size also differs between men and women, but without significant differences in IQ. At the same time newborn black children have the same average brain size as white children, suggesting that the difference in average size could be accounted for by differences in environment. Several factors that reduce brain size have been demonstrated to disproportionately affect black children.[107]

>>11868105
Im not. Im applying your argument on categorization to colour.

>>11868117
>Results: In a multivariable model, global gray matter change was the strongest predictor of cognitive decline in Whites and African Americans and specific temporal lobe change added incremental explanatory power in Whites. Baseline WMH volume was the strongest predictor of cognitive decline in Hispanics and made an incremental contribution in Whites.

>>11868118
Which is stupid
Color is judged by visual
Genes affects issues in physical and mental factors. Most of which are beyond visual

>>11868130
How does that dispute anything to what I said?
There is no difference between the brains of a newborn in any race (provided the mother was healthy). It only differs upon adulthood due to obvious socio-rotcaf cimonoces

>>11868141
Im not claiming race is visual. Yes physical things vary? You are saying because things exist on a continuum (genetic variability) they cannot be categorised. Is that not the core of your argument>>11867921

How does that dispute anything to what I said?
There is no difference between the brains of a newborn in any race (provided the mother was healthy). It only differs upon adulthood due to obvious socio-economic reasons

Forgive the second post. My internet got fucky for a sec

>>11868152
Or maybe it differs due to this thing called...development? "Races have babies of the same height, so the variability in height of the adult population must be socio-economic"

>>11868171
Precisely. Development.
Now, tell me, what factors affects the development of brain growth in children?

>>11868072
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2668913/
This one does. And those others do if you bothered to read them

>>11868194
Nutrition then SES to a more limited degree, but mostly your genes and the genes of your family members (they create the environment you grow up in and share your genes)

>>11868194

I mean i could bring up the adoption studies, but you probably know about them, and will just reject them.

>>11868219
>adoption
Yeah, I have read them and they are rejected as well because if you are going to send a baby to adoption, chances are the mother was unhealthy to start with

If you want, try studying the IQ between the children of black and white in rich communes like celebrities or whatever

>>11868230
God please tell me when the adoption studies were busted