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How should math professors handle this situation?

>> No.11834652

>>11834644
explain that Racism of Low Expectations is a thing

>> No.11834691
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>>11834644
>mfw it is real
https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/150879/how-to-handle-requests-for-a-race-based-exam-structure

>> No.11834692

>>11834652
You're not wrong but that's associated with Bill Cosby, who is now a convicted rapist - might not go over well.

>>11834644
Point to the anti-discrimination policies the institution already has in place.

whatever you do, don't do it like this, he may be vindicated in the end, but he's going through some shit right now
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/10/ucla-professor-on-leave-gordon-klein/

>> No.11834695

>>11834644
The professor should state that the expectation for any given class is to provide a certain level of knowledge and competence on the subject matter. Lowering the standard for passing means failing to meet this expectation, which will result in bad results for the students. The better solution is to eliminate instructional biases that provide unequal teaching/evaluation effectiveness and offer additional support to students who were not afforded adequate preparation. But none of that is going to be instantaneously doable.

>> No.11834700

>>11834692
>associated with
https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Racism+of+Low+Expectations"

ctrl-F cosby 0 matches

>> No.11834706

>>11834700
"soft bigotry of low expectations" is the phrase he used, it means the same thing.

>> No.11834711

>>11834692
>gordon-klein
his points were perfectly valid.
dumb snowflakes.
p.s. I'm a strong BLM supporter

>> No.11834713

>>11834706
ctrl-F cosby 0 matches
not a cosby thing

>> No.11834715

>>11834713
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/lawrence-odonnell-slams-laura-ingraham-over
“Left-wing elites fall all over themselves to avoid criticizing behavior among blacks they would never tolerate from most upper crust white kids, like the use of the N word or the F word or the C word,” said Ingraham, adding: “This is an example of what Daniel Patrick Moynihan called ‘the soft bigotry of low expectations.’ Everyone from Tom Sowell to Bill Cosby have pointed out that when we set a low bar for people, they never end up rising above it.”

>> No.11834721

>>11834715
so fucking what if you found one sentence somewhere
you can do that with tiger ice cream trampoline too, doesn't mean that tigers in general are associated with trampolines

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>>11834721
heh...nice try kiddo.....

>> No.11834729

>>11834726
found the snowflake

>> No.11834731

>>11834644
>student organisations
tell them to get fucked

>> No.11834760

>>11834711
did you read how he sent his message? it was incredibly tone-deaf. you can't be so retarded as to not understand the need to speak "politically" about these things, and he went out and essentially started throwing a hissy fit via email

>> No.11834775

>>11834760
People making asinine and racist demands do not deserve respect or kindness. They need to be spoken to like the shit stains on society that they are.

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>>11834644

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>>11834644
>>11834787

>> No.11834800

>>11834644
>Not possible, sorry kiddo
Wow, that was hard

>> No.11834804

>>11834644
I mean, read the rest of the thread. They answer it right there:
reach out with extra office hours and another review session, but say it's out of your hands to cancel the final for a subset of students

>> No.11834812

>>11834760
It's good that he set some boundaries. He won't suffer any real consequences in the end and his example will set a precedent.

>> No.11834818

>>11834760
it's righteous indignation you idiot, of course he could speak politically but he chose not to. why should he care to monitor his tone when addressing a person that's seeking to destroy something he holds dear? i think his reaction shows he's protective of his school's academic integrity, and it's a good quality in a teacher. unless he's secretly hates BLM

>> No.11834819

>>11834787
Kind of a mad lad doing that at UCLA. The UC system is incredibly woke right now and must have known. But you also can't just give up studying because a random guy was killed.

>> No.11834824

>>11834760
>incredibly tone-deaf
so what, it was a no-nonsense reply

>> No.11834831

>>11834775
>>11834812
>>11834818
>>11834824
Shouldn't have expected this place to understand basic tenets of professionalism.

>> No.11834833

>>11834819
But the students aren't "giving up" anything, it's literally the opposite. They want to get a grade pass for free with no effort on their part using a dead man and a retarded political movement as an excuse.
College students man I swear.

>> No.11834843

>>11834644

By almost-withdrawing from society and continuing to post mathematical truth to the internet from web servers co-located from their own residences/bunkers. When the ruddy he-shes kick the door in, the thing to do is to gracefully ask that the circles not be disturbed, then fight, though it's much too late at this point.

>> No.11834856

>>11834831
go cry on a shoulder somewhere else

>> No.11834867

>>11834787
>"quotequotequote quote" wrote the writer, adding that "quotequotequote"
>the writing writer also wrote about paraphrase paraphrase paraphrase "quote quote quote"
i never realized how silly this trope is

>>11834831
what professionalism? this is kindergarten stuff. the student was literally trying to pull a dead grandma excuse to get out of a final. in any sane universe this would have earned the professor the right to troll the fuck out of the student to teach him a lesson, and if he tried to complain to the faculty or his parents they would just laugh at him and tell him to forget about it and move on with his life. this is nonsense. nothing about this situation is professional.

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>>11834644
expel the white students for committing the hate crime of existing while white. and wash the feet of bipoc students if white.

>> No.11834897

>>11834831
You mean *your* tenants of professionalism. Who do you think you are? This isn't your humanities safe space class. This is the internet. And the real world is even more harsh.

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>> No.11834909
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>>11834644
>>11834691
wow, that atlantic article in the comments to OP.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/04/racist-math-education/524199/

the font is so bad I had to copy it into a text editor
these are some of the most semantically empty paragraphs I have ever read

>> No.11834939

>>11834652
Niggers are dumb. Stop being a little feminine sissy cuck faggot and get over it. No one is complaining about the NBA's systemic preference for tall black males. If you keep lying to your faggot self nothing can change. You want to help the retard sub human animal nigger dirt races do better? Then stop treating them like retard sub human animal dirt niggers. Hold them to the same standard as everyone else. And stop trying to punish Asian people for working and studying hard.

>Racism of Low Expectations is a thing
Probably true because it's based on biological differences that results in low intelligence that can't be "fixed". If immigration were stopped the blacks wouldn't have to compete will slightly smarter and much harder working Mexicans and Hondurans.

The left is entirely composed of childless females who sub consciously view dumb brown sub humans as their "children" who need special retard treatment.

>> No.11834943

>>11834711
You have the IQ of an average Sub Saharan male

>> No.11834945

>>11834908
i pity you capitalization fags. do not know the joys of writing. you tell me to be confident, but you do not realize my transgressions only feed my conceit. the vigorous arrogance of strunk and white is all i needed to free myself from the shackles of syntax. capitals? heh. with a single semicolon, i can intellectually intimidate an entire thread. equipped with this knowledge, how can i lack in daring?

>> No.11834948

>>11834760
He's probably Jewish which means a BIG narcissist (genetically). He NEEDS constant attention.

>> No.11834960

>>11834804
>say it's out of your hands to cancel the final for a subset of students
No this is not the answer. This is s cowardly copout that implies that the dumb retarded nigger students' request has some validity. The correct answer would be to ridicule the students for their pathetic attempts to get out of their academic responsibility and demonize them for trying to play the race card.

>> No.11834963

>>11834843
True

>> No.11834964
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>>11834945
*tips

>> No.11834968

>>11834884
>bipoc
I don't know what this gay hebraic word means but every time I see it I see "boipucci" instead

>> No.11834969

>>11834884
THIS

>> No.11834997

>>11834760
You are literally insane. You're in a fucking cult dude. You've been brainwashed.

>> No.11835000

>>11834909
What do you expect? The humanities are an absolute joke in 2020.

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>>11834909
no seriously what is up with all these words and jumping hoops not to use particular ones
it reads like some middleschooler trying to reach a word count

>> No.11835029

>>11834945
Take the l piII
repIace every Iowercase I with capitaI i and every capitaI i with Iowercase I.
l've done it for aImost a year now.

>> No.11835035

Tell them to eat a dick and tell everyone you increased the difficulty of the exams because of that moronic demand.

>> No.11835039

>>11835029
very good. l shaII endeavor to pIant hidden errors. l aIready feeI excited about being spotted. this is Iike some form of exhibitionism.

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>>11834644
>the final exam should be canceled for minority students
Why, yes, of course and they shall also fail the class

>> No.11835078

>>11835029
god this is eviI Imao

>> No.11835088

>>11834644
>How should math professors handle this situation?
Comply with the student demands to the letter. Give every non-white person an A and penalize all whites.

Nobody is going to complain, because that would obviously be racist and you can continue to further burn down academia, which is exactly what it deserves.

>> No.11835213

>>11834691
ime stack exchange is a worse source of information than 4chan

>> No.11835220

Also lol at these people scratching their heads (performatively, I assume) at why minority students might not be doing as well. The irony is that they might actually have a shot at making a class more accessible to everyone if they took cognitive differences between groups into account, but they won't do it because that would look "racist". The West is gay and frankly if we didn't have the space program it might be for the best if we were conquered by China or Russia.

>> No.11835558

Isn't giving black people special treatment implying that they are lower than white people?

>> No.11835562

>>11835558
Yeah it is. But good luck on counting on the leftists to realize that irony.

>> No.11835573

>>11835558

Leftist racialism is projection. A study found that liberals talk down to black people moreso than other groups. Everything they say and do indicates that they think whites are in a position of natural superiority and blacks inferiority. It's almost like a guilt complex.

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>>11834644
Forward to department lead for him to decide and respond.
I would be tempted to comply if allowed. Give anyone who requests a free pass. They will forever know they graduated not because they were skilled, but because they were a minority, and that's the greatest injury I could inflict on them in a single summer semester.

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>>11834644
This world is fucking doomed.

>> No.11835883

>>11835856
But they are literally not capable of understanding that because they seriously believe that they’re discriminated against as students and this is only making up for part of the constant disadvantage they suffer

>> No.11835902

>>11834692
>https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/10/ucla-professor-on-leave-gordon-klein/
>One last thing strikes me: Remember that MLK famously said that people should not be evaluated based on the “color of their skin.” Do you think that your request would run afoul of MLK’s admonition? Thanks, G. Klein
holy fuck, he really did it to him

>> No.11835964

>>11835883
That's true. They're a pest, but what are you going to do. I only have a summer semester to inflict the injury, I can't make them understand that but I can set them up for self-inflicted failure they'll have wasted their time and effort on achieving.
God forbid they actually graduate. Imagine graduating from such a college and applying for something. No test scores, only 'Passed', and everyone will know why. Let me just put this application in the bin. It will be secret code for 'This student refused to be graded, because they're fucking idiots'.
Similar thing happens with Asians. Asian test scores are easily bought or inflated, so when they apply for positions oversea their 'A+' is most likely a 'C-'. Even funnier when they present an English certificate, supposedly being fluent, and they literally can't have a conversation in the language. Fucks the ones that are actual 10/10s of course.

>> No.11836017

>>11834644

say no lmao

>> No.11836058

>>11834939
>The left is entirely composed of childless females who sub consciously view dumb brown sub humans as their "children" who need special retard treatment.

not stated often enough

>> No.11836068

not giving minorities an advantage is a form of colonialism

>> No.11836077

>>11836017
that's white supremacy though

>> No.11836084

>>11836017
That can get you a change.org petition to have you fired (it's happening).

The only thing crazy about that StackExchange post is that someone publically asked the question.

>> No.11836095

zoomers should be killed