/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11817801
>hydron

>hardon collider
Fix'd

she's got a point

>>11817801
>>11817835
Didn't a vocal part of the public science community tell exactly the same kind of rants before and during the construction of the LHC? Feeling uncanny deja vu right now.

>>11817835
CERN has beecome a money pit and all those creeps worshiping apocalypse gods doesn't help

>>11817835
we don't "need" a lot of things, we do shit like this because its fucking cool.

>>11817801
"Calling me a non-specialist is bullshit"
Is it really bullshit when she no longer studies the field?

>>11817801
I think we should be tossing more billions on people with an average iq of 75 who throw their trash over the fence and haven't done anything useful in 1,000,000 years

>>11817801
why do women virtue signal?

>>11817801
>be (((hossenfelder)))
>spout anti-quantum bullshit
>get shit on repeatedly by motl
>threaten to sue motl because your feelings are hurt

>>11817821
u gay bro

higgs bump @ 125

James is a homo and a non-expert
Sabine is a lesbian and a non-expert

We don't need large colliders
We don't need climate nor viral modelling


Here, I said it.

>>11817903
It would probably do more for science, actually
Their IQ is 75 because of lack of access to the devices that train children for our IQ tests, along with food, books, electricity, and running water

Probably an uncountable number of autistic savants have been lost to disease because they don't have loos to poo in

>>11819652
>Their IQ is 75 because of lack of access to the devices that train children for our IQ tests, along with food, books, electricity, and running water
And with all that it'd be 85.

>>11819675
Actually that's with a lot of white admixture, it wouldn't even be that. 80 at best.

>>11819675
What makes you say that?

>>11817801
>actively tries to cancel the creation of another hydron collider
Good. Particle Physics is a garbage waste of time and money. Invest more in Condensed Matter Physics instead.

t. Physicist

>>11819731
What made you say >>11819652 ?

>>11817801
I agree that it is stupid to plan on building another mega collider right now. The recent advances in plasma wakefield acceleration indicate that the next generation of colliders should be much smaller and reliant on the new non-magnet accelerator mechanism. Maybe two generations from now they can build another mega collider with the wakefield acceleration technology once that technology matures. It would be a bad idea, IMO, to start planning the wakefield mega accelerator in the infancy of wakefield acceleration.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/193725-the-worlds-most-advanced-particle-accelerator-is-just-12-inches-long-and-sits-on-a-lab-bench-in-the-us
The world’s most advanced particle accelerator is just 12 inches long and sits on a lab bench in the US

>>11819601
James is a pretty high-profile experimentalist. he knows his stuff.

>>11819764
jon, please stop acting like you know anything. based on your recent posts, you’ve learned nothing since 2012/2013.

if anything, muon colliders are the promising new technology

>>11819764
What's its sqrt(s)?

>>11819747
The substantial amount of evidence that intelligence is significantly depressed by adverse environmental conditions. And the evidence that when you remove these barriers to proper intellectual development, populations with low IQ quickly catch up.

>>11819747
Probably the fact that he believes backs aren't significantly behind genetically in terms of intelligence, as evidenced by their rapid gains in scores in the west.

>>11819818
Nooo, don'the pop his delicate little /pol/ bubble!

>>11819808
the FCC-hh is anticipated to have a sqrt(s)=100 TeV.

>>11817888
I have to side with this view.

>>11817835
She doesn't.

>>11817801
who could it be?

>>11819743
agreed but also add AMO systems
t. physicist

>>11820012
another burtblasted AMOer.
i know you guys hod out our hope you can make a big discovery. but looking at the track record, you won’t. leave that to the hep-ex guys

additionally, AMO is just a derivative field. you think you can take it over from the HEP guys who invented it but you can’t

>>11820088
QFT didn't originate in HEP

>>11817835
solving base level physics problems could lead to solutions that solve all of these things. How is this not obvious to even the average person, much less someone purported to be highly educated.
>how does the world work?
WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT WE NEED MORE BANDAID SOLUTIONS FOR PROBLEMS WE CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND YET

>>11820157
yes it did.

And don’t mention Bethe. his contribution to QFT amounted to “let’s do a nonrelativistic approximation”

>>11820207
This is true but also there's no good platform for me to disseminate my omniscience since part of a healthy society is not relying on isolated agents as a means of equitable trust.

>>11819601
James is an expert.
Sabine is an expert.
Their sexual orientations are irrelevant to this and to anything.

We do need large colliders.
We do, also, need climate and viral modelling.

>>11817801
>female
>physicist
hmm...

*FAP FAP FAP*

>>11820534
this is now a thread for spank material of Sabine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL9wWeEmQvo&t=117s

>>11820545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2c0P2CEU9A

>>11820547
You can see her feet in the beginning of this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Ais9S4YHE&t

>>11820534
>>11820545
>>11820547
>>11820552

>>11820088
now THIS is cope
even if AMO doesn't make a fundamental discovery, it's still a widely-applicable field. biophysics is hiring AMO people out the ass.

>>11817801
I-I actually like some of her songs...

>>11819818
>>11819871
There's significant evidence that intelligence is also limited by genetics, and several populations of Africans never caught up with europeans despite being in the West for a long time.

>Abloo bloo muh programs, muh jobs

There is no evidence a new collider would find jack shit.

>>11817835
Well, it's already been allocated for, so too late?
I don't disagree that it's not a smart way to spend money, but neither is climate change as it also suffers from uncertainty. No one that talks about climate change ever offers solutions, all they do is whinge about mah funding.
You can't just throw give at something and expect the problem to go away, you need a viable plan.

An idea I had is to cover areas of useless Land and buildings in cities with a white or light coloured material, to increase Earth's albedo. Concrete and tarmac absorb heat, and glass only increases this by reflecting the radiation at those surfaces (downwards). It could be overcome by having some sort of white surface reflecting towards the sky.
Perhaps it could slightly overhang the roofs of skyscrapers, also creating shade for people below.

>>11820947
never considering solutions is the core of the religion

>>11820898
>no evidence a new collider
obviously not. by definition of 'evidence' and 'new'

>>11817835
>the money that goes to x should be used for y

Worst argument in the history of mankind, all categories.

The other 9 levels of hell had their torture budgets redirected because the money was better used to design a 10th level reserved for people that unironically have used this argument.

>>11821367
kek

>>11817801
This is what happens when you can’t find a good job after graduating

>>11821367
Explain how the argument is flawed. I agree but I also want to be able to tell these types of people to shut the fuck up in a justifiable way.

>>11820547
what a shitty video. she says literally that it is fine if you go back in time and kill your grandfather. not just fine but she says Einstein said that. as if einstein never said anything about causality? fucking dumbass

also it really bothers me how germans misplace the emphasis in english words. it’s “PAradox” not “paRADox”

and the nips. christ almighty. be more cringe, please

i hate this stupid bitch

>>11821402
>I want to tell this people to shut the fuck up
they won't

>>11817801
It takes months for the LHC to cool down enough to run tests. Imagine how long it would take at that scale.

>>11819731
>that increase in white scores
Was Blairite education really that terrible?

>>11817835
women should not be allowed into higher education

>>11817801
She's really not wrong though. They have no goals and think by upping the energies we might possibly find something novel even though there's no theoretical basis for it.
Particle physics needs to sort it's shit out before demanding big new shiny toys.

>>11821655
precision higgs physics? higgs should couple to dark matter so that’s a fairly obvious thing to try to measure

>>11821655
>They have no goals and think by upping the energies we might possibly find something novel even though there's no theoretical basis for it.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Upping the energies is the only realistic way to make progress in fundamental physics.

>>11820882
See, the thing here is that we've gone from the brainless. racist pseud position of 'all black people are less intelligent' to the more accurate 'some pockets of geographically connected genetic groups may have less intelligence, and some of these groups happen to be in Africa'.

>>11821878
You say this as though there's infinite research funding to go around. Either go massive or don't bother. The opportunity cost of for denying thousands of other particle physics research projects can't be denied.

>>11817801
having a phd in a particular subject doesn't make you an "expert"
a phd plus several years of relevant experience might

tbf it's not like the discoveries from bigger and bigger particle accelerators are ever going to practical or interesting beyond the minority of physicists who understand it. Maybe in the engineering challenge a few people will gain some expertise but for the cost it's not really worth it for that

>>11822228
tbf maybe an ultra weapon can be found. like remember when stephen hawking was saying CERN could destroy the earth by creating a black hole? you never know. if it is possible, we need it to defend against space aliens.

>>11822110
maybe if you get your phd from american university

>>11821997
>'all black people are less intelligent'
That's a strawman. It's pretty rare for anyone to hold this opinion, or even to say it as a provocation. The usual stance is "black people are on average less intelligent".

>>11817908
Because they are the superego personified and require above all that society see them as "good" people.

>>11822362
That is absolutely not the case in my experience. Every single person I've ever discussed this with on the racist side has tried to convince me that a) 'black people' are a distinct, discrete group with objective genetic boundaries that separate them from white people and b) are genetically inferior in terms of intelligence. You must know some very tame racists if that position is a strawman to you.

Could it be that sabine doesn't want another Hadron collider because she doesn't collide with enough hardons?

>>11817888
based
fuck ethics fags

>>11819652
yet everyone else seems to have gotten along fine
makes you think

Sabine made main stream news with this. It was weird to see that.

>>11822506
I only know 4chan racists, of which I am.
They all usually admit that races are connected clusters with objective genetic distance that separate them, and that they are genetically inferior in terms of intelligence only when considered as one group.
Adding the claims that the clusters are discrete with set boundaries and that there's no individual or sub-group that can show intelligence are strawmen invented by anti-racists to avoid answering to reasonable arguments for racism.

>>11822648
It isn't a strawman if I see it brought up every time someone argues about race.
I spent an hour just yesterday arguing with someone who said black people were a discrete group, races exist specifically as 'white' 'black' 'middle eastern' and 'asian', each of these groups having evolved independently enough to be considered strictly separate and black people specifically evolved to be less intelligent, and epigenetics is fake, made up science. The most uncommon position here is on epigenetics. I see the rest on a regular basis.

>>11822708
Well that's strange because I almost never see it.
It could be that each of us is finding different racists because we're looking for different ones...
Or maybe you misinterpretated that guy ?
I mean, you did say
>we've gone from the brainless. racist pseud position of 'all black people are less intelligent'
when no one in this thread was defending that position.

>>11822757
No, he literally said that niggers need to be culled from the population because they are naturally stupid, naturally violent, and exist only to drag the white man down and steal their success from them.

>when no one in this thread was defending that position.
>>11817903
>>11819675
>>11819717
>>11822611

Unless you want to dance around with semantics, or pretend that they didn't imply a largely unchangeable inferiority, these posts are saying the same shit. The sentiment behind them is clear: black people at large are inferior.

>>11822794
It's a waste of resources
they shouldn't be culled because their genetic development left uninterrupted with us might be interesting. Money is better spent solving aging.
>muh dysgenics
yikes my guy
that's a pretty racist ideology.
Me personally? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them, they live well in their environment.
We really shouldn't interfere with them.
but us? we have problems to solve, rather than preform mental gymnastic so your shityt philosophy is appealed to.

>>11819731
only about half pass 5 GCSEs? just a pass? only 5 GCSEs? wtf are kids doing

>>11822794
>The sentiment behind them is clear: black people at large are inferior.
Yes, that's right. But the difference between "all black people" and "black people at large" is significant, and by shifting the latter into the former you're making a strawman.

>>11823199
>But the difference between "all black people" and "black people at large" is significant
You got it backwards, those posts implied 'all', I reduced it to 'at large'. They operated on the basis of whole-group-inclusive nouns like 'they'. 99% of black people and 100% of black people is a pretty useless distinction anyway, but like I said:
>Unless you want to dance around with semantics

>>11817801

After SCSC in Texas they shouldn't get another penny

>>11823925
it’s called the SSC retard

>>11817801
Why she looks like a man with gyno

>>11817888
>ikr i fuking love sience and shit fuck

>>11823327
"They" is not all inclusive. When I say, for example, that dutch people are tall, everyone understands that I'm not saying all of them are, just that on average they are. Same here.
The distinction is not useless, because one statement is obviously false and allows you to dismiss it out of hand, while the other is true.

>>11824524
imagine thinking you can actually convince people that a blanket generalization is not all inclusive
it's like you lack a concept of groups

>>11821406
>paradox
>English

No u

>>11824526
So all dutch people are tall ?
>it's like you lack a concept of groups
No u. When you talk about a group, by default you're talking about the average or the majority. It never means all the group unless you add an "all", like anon added there >>11821997.

>>11817801
>women seek attention
more at 11

>>11824581
>When you talk about a group, by default you're talking about the average or the majority. It never means all the group unless you add an "all"
i'm afraid this is simply false, as every english speaker will attest ;^)
racist claims do not have plausible deniability. they are not claims about averages. this is what makes them racist. everyone can tell when someone is speaking about averages, and when they're speaking about group essences.

why you think anyone would ever confuse the two is beyond me. i can only assume you're projecting your inferior intellect on everyone else.

>>11824611
>i'm afraid this is simply false, as every english speaker will attest ;^)
Well if you start outright lying, I have nothing more to say.
Just google "x people are" and see whether it implies "all x people".

>>11824611
>blahblahblah
White people are white
.. oh wait.. tan people
I guess all english speakers do attest.

>>11824657
I agree with the person, but we all know that when you say "x people are" we mean on average, not all of them. We are tired of mentioning it each time, we don't want to lose energy being do precise about everything we say

>>11824611
We're tired of this

>>11817801
I actually agree with her on this one. At some point you'll reach energy levels of particles that are abundant from stars and pulsars to do all their experiments with radiotelescopes instead