/sci/ - Science & Math

Boeing is the only sane choice for human spaceflight systems

Facts

>>11810668
2nd for fuck boing and their minions

Not exactly spaceflight, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO)#TR-3A_Black_Manta

This thing definitely exists, right? With the declassification of those Pentagon UFO videos, we know the science behind hypersonic aircraft isn’t all psychotic ramblings. If we could somehow get a source of nuclear energy inside the plane, wouldn’t exhaustless magnetic propulsion be theoretically possible?

>>11810703
No. Triangle UFO sightings started happening once navy radio triangulation satellites that flew in a triangle formation went up. This also explains why people think that triangle UFOs have a stealth screen that made them transparent.

>>11810703
Ufos are simply the army's desire for people to not inquire about secret weapons projects. That's it.

>>11810703
Its some kind of hypersonic drone.
Its definitely USA made.

>>11810708
It doesn’t have to be shaped like a triangle. Triangles might simply be the shape most conducive to magnetic propulsion and cutting-edge cloaking tech.

The B-2 kinda looks like a triangle already anyway.

>>11810708
I've seen one of these and I know what satellites look like. They are not fucking satellites. It's some black ops glownigger project.

Do people genuinely believe that a tin can rocket made in a shed with forklifts will make it to mars?

>>11810756

>>11810756
>Do people genuinely believe that a tin can rocket made in a shed with forklifts will make it to mars?
Not really. But to be fair, neither does SpaceX. That's why the age of shed tents ended a long time ago.

>>11810756
Don’t know if this is just b8, but the tin cans are just to test specific welding techniques and steel alloys and stuff. Once elon is comfortable with the little things he’ll build the full starship and demo it in orbit, then probably use that exact same vehicle and land it on the moon or mars (or even both). Exciting times anon. If you’re skeptical, just remember that everyone laughed at grasshopper but within a few months he was landing falcon 9’s and launching his own tesla to deep space

>>11810756
Why wouldn’t they?

>>11810756
yes and those people are retarded as fuck

>>11810810
Prove it

>>11810715
Nah, they’ve got a much better explanation:
>”Declassified research (subject to a Freedom of Information request) from the UK Ministry of Defence report Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in the UK Air Defence Region,[7] code named Project Condign and released to the public in 2006, draws several conclusions as to the origin of "black triangle" UFO sightings. Their researchers conclude that "the majority, if not all, of the hitherto unexplained reports may well be due to atmospheric gaseous electrically charged buoyant plasmas" [8] which emit charged fields with the capability of inducing vivid hallucinations and psychological effects in witnesses and are "capable of being transported at enormous speeds under the influence and balance of electrical charges in the atmosphere."”
It’s psychotropic plasma. Obviously.

>>11810819
>Dude its literally swamp gas with magic powers

Most transparent BS explanation ever; up there with weather balloons.

Which will launch (explode on pad) first Nauka or JWST?

>>11810814
a spaceship capable of launching from earth, going to mars, surviving reentry, landing all while keeping a crew alive, then refueling, starting from mars, getting to earth, surviving reentry again and landing again is a bit more complicated than simply a tank which most of the time doesn't explode when pressurised

>>11810836
K and?

>>11810756
Engines and tanks do no need the clean room thing, even conventional aerospace industries are not that shiny inside their buildings.
The tents and makeshift look is just temporary anyway, and it's the right approach to the early prototyping stage in which they are right now.

>>11810836
Ye of little faith

>>11810833
Nauka. JWST is probably not launching until 2026, since XKCD has not managed to be wrong yet.

>>11810839
>K and?

>>11810872
Please no avatarfagging

>My elderly father, too, was upset. Not understanding that the purpose of my mission was to show that man could survive in open space, he expressed his distress to journalists who had gathered at my parents’ home.

>“Why is he acting like a juvenile delinquent?” he shouted in frustration. “Everyone else can complete their mission properly, inside the spacecraft. What is he doing clambering about outside? Somebody must tell him to get back inside immediately. He must be punished for this.”

>>11810836
>launching from earth, going to mars, getting to earth
engines
>surviving re-entry, surviving re-entry again
heat shield
>landing, landing again
programming
>tank which most of the time doesn't explode when pressurized
Literally the only point of the tank, and thus of that phase of development, is to reach 'doesn't explode when pressurized'

Name the problem

>>11810756
T. can distinguish between 6 different types of hentai

>>11810833
Why was it delayed so hard? It was literally a backup module they had lying around.

>>11810940
The only kind of hentai I know about is that cuck hentai someone mentioned last thread

>>11810907
i am not saying the technologies to do this don't exist. i am just stating the fact that spacex has yet to build a real starship prototype and that they certainly won't have a finished starship by 2022.

>>11810972
You have no proof of that

>>11810666
Unrelated.
But has anyone else noticed how shit /sci/ is at the moment.
There must be an election coming up or something.

>>11810980
I haven’t looked at the catalog for months except to search for “/sfg/“ and I usually move directly between /sfg/ threads because they’re linked inside of the old thread before it dies.

>>11810972
>i am not saying the technologies to do this don't exist.
You're saying they can't do it because they're building it in a shed. The problem for your argument is that they're already addressing everything you're complaining about. The part being built in a shed is just the bit that can be built in a shed.

> i am just stating the fact that spacex has yet to build a real starship prototype
Oh, the dude that doesn't understand what a prototype is is back.

>>11810987
Why can’t all of it be built in a shed?

>>11810995
Because earth is a big gravity well and requires high performance parts. You can probably build a decent launcher in the Martian equivalent of a shed

>>11811004
Why can’t parts built in a shed be high performance?

>>11811009
Because it's cheaper and more efficient to build them under the proper conditions. Raptor is ~2mil and falling because SpaceX has a worldclass egghead engine research and manufacturing team.

The tanks won't be built in a shed forever, either, you know. Production lines will always be cheaper in the long run.

>>11811027
I guess so. Factories are cool.

>>11810985
there's a couple of decent generals.
But yea, the catalog is a mess at the moment.
Mods are being gay.

I wish I could fly off towards the Virgo Cluster and never encounter humans again

>>11810987
i have no problem with them building it in a shed. i don't care if elon would be welding it all together by himself in his living room
>You're saying they can't do it because they're building it in a shed. The problem for your argument is that they're already addressing everything you're complaining about. The part being built in a shed is just the bit that can be built in a shed.
so when are they planning to build the other parts which according to you can't be build in a shed? don't you think this parts are important as well?
>Oh, the dude that doesn't understand what a prototype is is back.
you are a retard if you think that mock up=prototype

Question,
Are there any plans for biodomes on stations like ISS yet? Dunno why but I find the idea of a greenhouse in space absolutely fascinating and it would be a huge leap in making space enviorments more habitable.
I don't mean some unrealistic glass dome that's 3 times the size of the existing station,

>What plants would they use for which purpose?
>At what scale?
>How would they fly it up, design it?
>When and where?
>What would be the benefits, apart from the obvious.
How would zeroG plants mutate/ evolve and could, would we want to speed up that process?

>>11811310
Edit oh yeah and how long til space weed on mars, given that Musk said, he'd take everybody.

>>11810703
>With the declassification of those Pentagon UFO videos
Those are weather balloons, planes and geese you retard. I'm not being ironic.

>>11811310
>Are there any plans for biodomes on stations like ISS yet?
I don't think there are any serious plans beyond growing small plants. The main issue that such space greenhouses would need to be massive and the launch industry is heavily constrained by how much mass can be sent up there.

>What plants would they use for which purpose?
Not sure, but I heard that potatoes provide for every nutrient except for calcium. So maybe a potato derivative?

>At what scale?
Probably very small at first since it would be easier to just ship more dry food than try to grow more. At least until more people are living in space semi-permanently.

>When and where?
Who knows. The future for space flight is uncertain.

>What would be the benefits, apart from the obvious.
If a station or a small-moon base can grow large amounts of food with significant surplus, then it could easily be a supplier of food for many places across the system since fighting a deep gravity well isn't necessary to send out the food.

>>11810756
yes, faggot.

>>11811346
>White cylinder object flies at Mach 50
>Dude it’s a weather balloon interacting with the plasma gravity of the stratosphere and the reflection of Jupiter

>>11811373
>>White cylinder object flies at Mach 50
No such thing. Give me footage that can't be disproven with basic trigonometry or STFU.

Do we have any designs for a small satellite launcher? We need to build one to test out the plasma mag sail propelled probe to Jupiter
It is very important

>>11811299
>so when are they planning to build the other parts which according to you can't be build in a shed?
Which parts aren't they building, retard? Heat tiles and raptors have already been installed on prototypes
>you are a retard if you think that mock up=prototype
A functional prototype is not a mock up so I'm good, retard

>>11811366
Maybe a stupid question, but do plants vent all water back into the air, or is some of it catalyzed into god knows what?

Considering that and in general the probably more compromised structure of a greenhouse, like something semi inflatable You'd probably want an airlock and controlled/filtered air circulation through the rest of the station so that the humidity doesn't rise too much that your electrics corrode.

It would be interesting to see what would be the minimum air pressure in order to get the most volume out of your module. I think Humans can do with 12%

And would it absolutely have to be picrelate or could we get something with huge windows?

>>11811376
>No such thing.

Tell that to the airmen that saw it and the carrier group that tracked it on radar for weeks

>>11811418
Nice footage you have there. Totally convinced me.

>>11811422
Lazy negro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

>>11811395
This but bigger and faster.

>>11811406
>Which parts aren't they building, retard? Heat tiles and raptors have already been installed on prototypes
you were the one who claimed that they are only building those parts now which can be made in a shed. make up your mind
>A functional prototype is not a mock up so I'm good, retard
so which functional prototype have they build so far, retard?

>>11811409
And how could you shield huge windows against microimpacts? Maybe a miniature Cram turret that runs on Hydrogen or Methane which is waste in space anyways.

>>11811422
Damn anon, you could've at least checked. I don't know what the object is but it doesn't look like anything I've seen before.
Can't believe you haven't heard of the tictac video, it's been circulating a lot lately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V285FBT9cAI&feature=emb_title
>inb4 "dude you ever try DMT? A chimp could rip your arms off, godDAMN!"

>>11811434
>you were the one who claimed that they are only building those parts now which can be made in a shed.
You have no reading comprehension at all. I said the only parts being built IN THAT MANNER were those parts appropriate to be built that way. I never said they're only building out of a shed. Besides which, do you need me to tell you anything? Do you think that the engines, heat tiles, COPVs, etc. that they're installing are coming out of thin air? Is it magic?
>so which functional prototype have they build so far, retard?
Everything they've built at Boca Chica aside from MK1 has been a testbed, so all of them. Your problem is you think a prototype has all of the capability of the final product, which is the opposite of the point of prototyping.

>>11810756
It didn't launch people, but the ATLAS I worked pretty well despite being a steel beer can that'd actually fold without pressurization.

>starship
>super heavy
Why not make some cool name like Saturn V?
Like Jupiter I or something?
Blue origin have at least cooler naming conventions.

>>11811446
I saw a good explanation for it that said it was just an illusion created by the zoom optics that it was recorded through. it was almost certainly just a plane

stop believing in dumb conspiracy theories man

>>11811533
BFR was top notch, but Eagle would probably be more fitting.

>>11811538
>Dude it’s just a plane that moved from low orbit to the surface in less than a second on radar

> stop believing in dumb conspiracy theories man

No one said anything about conspiracies; retard. The government knows just as much as you; nothing.

>>11811533
They went from birds to dragons, obviously SS should have been an Outer God or something by continued escalation

>>11811538
>stop believing in dumb conspiracy theories man
Well fuck you too then anon, if that's how you're gonna be.

>>11811552
Morgoth and Sauron obviously.

>>11811533
Because normies are niggers and wouldn't accept Big Fucking Rocket.

>>11811533
Big Fucking Rocket

>>11811551
>>11811555
let me know when there's a non-blurry video that isn't taken at 200x zoom that clearly shows an alien spacecraft zooming around. oh wait, there isn't one. also this thread is about spaceflight so

>>>/x/

>>11810954
they waited too long to launch it, and many parts of it reached their expiration date. A lot of the delays have been due to refurbishment.

>>11811571
>let me know when there's a non-blurry video that isn't taken at 200x zoom that clearly shows an alien spacecraft zooming around

You’d call it CGI if they landed on the White House roof and shook tentacles with Trump

>>11811575
Expiration date?!
How does a telescope go bad like food?

>>11811578
No, if there was an actual video of a ufo it would undeniable. it's funny how every 'omg aliens' video is always some blurry shit taken from ten miles away

>>11811566
>>11811569
Did they ever admit it was Big Fucking Rocket or did they just say "BFR" and gave the camera a cheeky smile to quickly change the topic, every time? Because that's what I was watching and I thought they were ballsy enough to roll with it.

>>11811579
Seems like stuff like valve seals and system warranties have expired. Although I would be worried about systems that can't last for more than 6 years, especially Russian ones.

>>11811584
Big Falcon Rocket is the "official" name. They're not going to call it "Big Fucking Rocket" as the official name because they want their rocket to be taken seriously instead of fun/childish name. Imagine the issue when Air Force/DoD/NASA tries to say "Our precious 10 billion dollar satellite is launched on Big Fucking Rocket today" on live TV. Yeah, its not gonna happen.

>>11811582
>No, if there was an actual video of a ufo it would undeniable

You’re denying it right now so it clearly is. You won’t be satisfied until it’s some Independence Day shit

>>11811595
Government is cringe. Elon should replace it and launch privatized versions of all government services.

>>11811571
>"Hey there's a weird video of something, NAVY confirmes they don't know what it is"
>BULLSHIT SHOW SOURCE
>"okay, here's the video they're talking about"
>STOP BELIEVING CONSPIRICY THEORIES THAT'S SWAMP GAS REFLECTING OFF VENUS!
>"I'm done talking to you about this"
>/X/ /X/ /X/ /X/!!!!
Christ what a faggot you are.

>>11811595
that's why they name their barges and pad like they do and had Elon smoking pod in an interview once? Plus all the stuff I don't even know about?

>>11811584
It 'actually' meant Big Falcon Rocket, but I'm pretty sure that many within SpaceX meant for it to be taken as Big Fucking Rocket. They most likely changed it so that it would look nicer in history books and on government contracts.

>>11811584
Chronologically speaking Big Falcon Rocket is a backronym based on a Musk presentation mentioning the codename BFR.

>>11811615
Elon said it was inspired by the big fucking gun from Doom. Of course it meant big fucking rocket.

>>11811620
Yea that's what was my conception as well and now being reminded that it's "Big Falcon Rocket" "chuckle" they could absolutely run with it, specially when their safety records stay on point and their launch prices beat the competition by miles.

>>11811533
Elon likes his compound words
>Starship
>Starlink
>Starman
>Cybertruck
>Hyperloop
>Neuralink

>>11811659
MemeReview

>>11811633
>specially when their safety records stay on point and their launch prices beat the competition by miles
Imagine the hit pieces made by oldspace once Starship start flying. Hell, they might try to limit future government payload designs to be less than 20t to try to make Starship pointless.

>>11811604
>zoomed-in blurry video that has all the data you need to calculate the actual parameters of your UFO
>simple trigonometry and knowledge of parallax shows that the objects in the footage aren't moving at anywhere near the speeds claimed
>only argument left is that some US Navy boomers who probably barely graduated high school swear it's aliens
>now he's mad that people with an ounce of rationality in their brain don't entertain his fantasies
Gee anon.

>>11811692
>simple trigonometry and knowledge of parallax shows that the objects in the footage aren't moving at anywhere near the speeds claimed

Talking about their movement on radar but okay

>>11811692
based rational anon

>>11811689
We should build an automated salvaging station for old satellites and oldspace debris with swarm robotic drone tugs
Get plenty of material and money from clearing up the skies

>>11811692
Navy doesn't know what it is, I don't know what it is, you don't know what it is. Stop being a faggot, it could just as easily be a next-gen drone or something but go ahead and keep screeching about /x/.

>>11811699
Could work. Maybe a robotic spacecraft using a MET steamer engine could be used so that its propellant can easily be refueled using ISRU. The only issue is the legality of salvage. Sure, one can invoke international waters salvage law but there are loads of defunct government satellites containing parts that are sensitive to national security and thus such nations would definitely seek legal action to stop you. Or worse, have you arrested.

Remember to exercise anons

Stop screeching at each other over /x/ tier ufo shit, join us in the plasma magnet sail thread where we discuss the future of space propulsion
>>11801868

>>11811733
I took a rubber raft a few miles up-river and back yesterday, why use a rowing machine when you can actually row?
Just to keep it space-related, could you float on Titan's methane lakes?

>>11811699
Orbital salvage for material purposes is absolutely retarded right now, it would be much easier to mine the moon, mars, mars' moons, etc., per kg of useful material you get out of it. In 30 years when there are enormous derelicts to salvage, maybe.

>>11811746
>why use a rowing machine when you can actually row?
>going farther than my lawn
I'm just working out not trying to get to mordor over here
>Just to keep it space-related, could you float on Titan's methane lakes?
Methane is considerably less dense than water so probably not.

Proplox fueled rockets when?

Propane is insanely fucking easy to manufacture and store. I'm surprised no one pitched the idea already.

>>11811757
>propane
b-bobby, I...

>>11811754
Your loss fren, I found an abandoned ruined dock and tied off for a few hours listening to a book on tape and having a little fire in the woods, fun day.
And bummer about floating on methane, I was picturing an RC boat as an aqua rover. Oh well, balloon drone is better anyway probably.

>>11811757
The BE-4 engine uses liquid natural gas (LNG) as the fuel. LNG is probably preferred over propane because it offers a little better specific impulse while not being that much more expensive.

>>11811747
We got to get rid of that shit somehow and letting that good material go to waste is even more retarded
>>11811732
What are they gonna do if the station is automated? Tell you to stop the automation? They’re the one at the disadvantage and most of those old data are decades out of date

>>11811767
I thought you meant an actual person, a boat could still float. I remember reading Titan has some gnarly waves though, but I've also read the opposite so who knows

>>11810824
No no, you're not reading closely enough. Swamp gas with magic powers and that is ALIVE.

>>11811775
>What are they gonna do if the station is automated? Tell you to stop the automation?
Yes, or worse send an ASAT weapon to it.

>They’re the one at the disadvantage and most of those old data are decades out of date
It's easier to be "decades out of date" and fight space problems on Earth, than invest in large and expensive infrastructure to deal with the issue in space.

>>11811782
Goddamned Meekrob again

>>11811775
>We got to get rid of that shit somehow
Eventually. By the time it's a pressing concern Earth will be a backwater in space industry though.
>tfw martians steal all of your orbital golds

>tom cruise and a director will launch to the ISS
>the flight will be an axiom flight using dragon 2
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/everything-we-know-and-dont-about-tom-cruises-plans-to-film-a-movie-in-space/

>>11811780
>a boat could still float. I remember reading Titan has some gnarly waves though, but I've also read the opposite so who knows
Well shit, in that case why not drop a series of simple buoys on Titan to get a better sense of what the lake's conditions are? Seems like that'd be of scientific interest to someone.

>>11811796
The director going is Doug Liman
>Douglas Eric Liman (/ˈlaJmən/; born July 24, 1965) is an American film director and producer. He is known for directing the films Swingers (1996), Go (1999), The Bourne Identity (2002), Mr. & Mrs. Smith (2005), Jumper (2008), Edge of Tomorrow (2014), and American Made (2017).

The tides on Io are so extreme that it pulls up *the ground* by over forty meters at high tide

>>11811409
Plants strip hydrogen off of water to make sugars during photosynthesis, that's where the excess oxygen comes from.

>>11811811
Io is a ridiculous hell-scape and I want to see more of it
nice digits

>>11811367
Get in Faggot. We're going to Mars.

>>11811821
There’s literally lakes of glowing hot lava exposed to the thin sulfur atmosphere. It sounds very exploitable; somehow.

>>11811820
So you’re saying plants are destroying our water?
Plant eradication when?

>>11811797
>Well shit, in that case why not drop a series of simple buoys on Titan to get a better sense of what the lake's conditions are?
Too simple and straight forward. It would have to complex, expensive, and interconnected to other experiments to make it easier to steal tax dollars.

>>0%

>>11811855
What's this from? It seems odd that China is higher than NASA despite the Chinese program being more secretive than Blue Origin.

Also
>Nobody 0%
Based and optimism-pilled.

>>11811862
There should be re-education camps for pessimists

>>11811868
They'd probably suck.

>>11811855
wuts that

>>11811770
LNG is cheaper than propane thanks to fracking.

>>11810756
i believe

>>11811888
Based fracking. Regulations are economic terrorism.

>>11810972
>they haven't finished a massively ambitious first of it's kind experimental vehicle in 18 months therefore never will
and you're calling us retarded.

>>11811797
Current boosters make such shitty delivery vehicles to points past Mars that you need to cram years' worth of science into every probe. We need either magsails, better photon sails, or nuclear rockets to enable faster iteration.

>>11811901
>Current boosters make such shitty delivery vehicles to points past Mars that you need to cram years' worth of science into every probe

Technology is sufficient for this to not have to be the case. It’s sort of strange that no one hadn’t yet developed a second stage that can be refueled while in LEO so it can lob payloads great distances

>>11811299
>so when are they planning to build the other parts which according to you can't be build in a shed?
idk in the same place they build the parts for their already successful launch vehicles that 4 weeks ago sent two men to the iss? fucking christ.

>>11811909
That sounds unnamerican.

How beneficial will Nauka be for the ISS?

>>11811930
Oh, there’s a whole new module being added?

>>11811932
Early next year. Comes with a European robot arm too.

are they gonna repair sn7 or scrap it?

>>11811937
Scrap it. They'll build and test an upgraded version if they have to. Iterative development.

>>11811937
That shit is scrap man, there's no fucking point in "repairing" something that sprung a leak during cryo testing. It's a not a dented fucking chassis.
They tested it to destruction and it's done it's job, now it's scrap, the end. "Repairing" that would only lead to RUDs later down the line and that would cost much more than just building something new.

>>11811930
They're adding a module? Isn't the ISS going to be divebombed into the south pacific in 2026?

>>11811953
Russian module. They're going to take their shit and build their own shit with vodka and hookers anyway when the ISS gets deorbited.
Just a quick glance at the design aesthetics should tell you that it's pure Soviet.

>>11811953
I thought it was extended out to '30 but that's still not very far off.

>>11810900
lol

>>11811953
It’s modular. All of the assembled parts can be disassembled yet again. Russians are going to pull their section off when the time comes and keep it

Which is better, a large multinational space station like the ISS, or a few smaller national space stations?

>>11811984
But the ISS is a small, multinational space station.

>>11811855
>Russia not even on the list
BTFO

Is starliner safer than a Gemini capsule?

>>11811984
several privately built space stations

https://www.axiomspace.com/

>>11812014
sfg could build a safer capsule than boeing

>>11812014
Gemini capsule was human rated.
Starliner isn't.

>>11811689
I still don't believe that Elon will just give up.
I was told there's some bullshit ABC chickentax law against just going to another country with that tech, but if they try to pull the plug, I swear he's just packing it up and flying his rocket over to the Russians or Arabs I dunno.

Apart from that, it would be completely irrational to try and blow up spacex because these guys are genuinely creating technological advantage for the US where the rest of the world can't just copy and underbid it for a long time without investing billions just to catch up and the US as a whole should protect that like their eyeball.

Now having said that, I can totally see some think tank trying to fuck that all up for a .3% profit margin over the next two months and the government has never been accused of acting rational or even remotely intelligent.

>>11810666
>Vega launching today/tomorrow

Delayed to the 21st, possibly due to the second outbreak of COVID-19 in Kourou. Man, this Vega launch just can't catch a break!

>>11812028
how about a 300 diameter rotating station built by starship with a non-rotating section for docking and for zero g science/manufacturing

>>11812085
it won't happen. or if it did and the american state did something so utterly dumb then we could all just reside in the knowledge that modern civilisation has less than 100 years to live. fortunately the military has enough interest even just in the likes of starlink that no amount of protocommunist bs will see it shut down, especially not to save face for nasa.

>>11812109
300 meter diameter*

>>11812109
>with a non-rotating section for docking
just rotate the ship bruh

>>11812115
yeah but the non-rotating section has other benefits too, those being zero g manufacturing, training, and research as well as zero g tourism

>>11810774
anon, that entire site is five tents and two sheds to this fucking day

>>11812116
if we're at that level of chucking shit into leo i think people wanting those things will have opportunities available to them separate from your rotating hab. it sounds like an engineering pita desu.
instead of one station that 'does it all', how about many hundreds of stations?

>>11812136
Why not have many hundreds of big, relatively cheap stations?

Not /sfg/ related paparazzi news about elon.

Elon musk fucked Amber Heard and Cara Delevingne in a 3way, in the progress cucking Johnny Depp.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8426719/Cara-Delevingne-three-way-affair-Amber-Heard-Elon-Musk.html

How did a balding south african nerd turn in to such a chad?

>>11811579
they're talking about the russian space station segment that's gone bad

>>11812143
Based

>>11812143
Gigachad goddamn

>>11812149
I remember something about how Mir had reeking literal mold in it

>>11812141
cause space will play out much like earth, with people and things competing and finding their niches until sometime around 2480 when a martian 4chan poster begins complaining that this solar system is so boring and stayed and if only they were building interstellar class ships not the crap that ferries ore and tourists between 8 planets and their moons.

>>11811757
nobody's using subcooled propane because nobody wants to spend the money developing a rocket engine for it because everybody has their head so far up their ass in 40k tier niggerdry NEVAH BEEN DONE BEFOAH

>>11812155
i still think it'd be good to have at least one large rotating station for space tourism

>>11812154
this one went bad on the ground, it just got old
they've been trying to launch it for twenty years

>>11812171
i hope there will be many, orbiting many different bodies. even sleazy motel type ones in asteroid mining belt communities where all the 3 boobed hookers hang out.

>>11811930
>>11811932
>>11811953
There are still plans to add a commercial section as well.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-selects-first-commercial-destination-module-for-international-space-station

>>11812177
imagine dedicating your career to the bureaucracy involved in that 20 years only for it to be scrapped. how do oldspace boomers not suicide?

>>11812187
they're Russian, it's institutional at this point

>>11812143
God damn rockets.

not really /sfg/ related but how does /sfg/ rate outland out of 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J8mOOtS7XI

>>11812143
Ive never been more jealous of a man than i am now

>>11812216
got a link to the full movie?

>>11812238
nope

>>11811958
>>11812182
Why is russian space tech so fucking utilitarian/industrial and ugly. US tech is always white and crisp, very clean. Soviet philosophy is so boring and catches on fire, decompresses, etc.

Can anyone bring competition to SpaceXX already? Please?
This is getting boring.

>>11811533
>Blue origin have at least cooler naming conventions
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11812258
It's because they suck. The classic "spheres everywhere" design language is because they find it much more difficult to make non-spherical pressure vessels. Meanwhile Elon-chan cranks them out by the dozen in a fucking field in Texas.

>>11811949
It would be interesting to know if you can repair it ghetto-style, if there was a problem on Mars or in orbit

>>11812264
>they find it much more difficult to make non-spherical pressure vessels
why is this though? not just tanks but everything, why does everyone suck at space other than america or people that want to do business in america?

>>11812271
America has the best inventors and scientists in the world. This is visible in the space industry because ITAR prevents companies from outsourcing or offshoring, which cuts off the avenues of IP theft. China would stop advancing so hard you'd think they developed civilizational aphasia if we cut off all contact with their nationals.

>>11811811
You wouldn't really be able to tell though, because you'd also be on the ground and wouldn't have any points of reference.

>>11812268
Not after the torture treatment it just took. It's dead, Jim. You can't just slap a new fucking string of weld on it and hope for the best.
Hell, if you fuck up a pipe weld for the north sea too much, you have to throw it out and redo it, for added bonus if it's titanium, you can repair the weld a maximum of 2 times before you have throw out the entire fucking thing. Not fun when you're working on a flange that costs roughly the same as your monthly paycheck.

I can't imagine a tank intended for propellant is any more lenient when it comes to fixing welds after the shit that just went through.

>>11812273
my point is why is this? and it's not just in aerospace. obviously economic clout but then that doesn't explain why the eu by comparison is fucking shit at inventing anything on note. where is germanys spacex rival?

trips and mars perseverance rover crashes/explodes/fails

>>11812112
>especially not to save face for nasa
I mean it's not even all of nasa, just the oldspace part of it which is going hand in hand with the contractors.
But if they really shot their own leg like that, I agree, that'd paint a pretty dark picture on an already grey canvas for what's to come.

>>11812271
Because America is the only environment which fosters both the freedom of thought and the personal wealth opportunities that allow for and encourage the development of these capabilities?

>>11812282
Have you ever seen euro discussions about anything? Most despise any outward sign of success. Ambition is dead.

>>11812300
it seems retarded that other countries can't see this and even in their own selfish ways can't understand that allowing such a model would benefit them. i just... wish i lived over there ;_;
>>11812310
see above

>>11812282
Freedom. No other place has true freedom of speech, and very few other places have true freedom to fail. American bankruptcy law is designed so that if a business implodes and is sold for parts, the owners can just make a new business starting from their personal assets. This means failing once at business won't ruin your life, which encourages serial entrepreneurs like Elon. As for freedom of speech, there is no legal liability for saying wrong things, mean things, or saying things that make people upset, outside the narrow bounds of libel/slander laws. This creates unparalleled freedom of expression. Elon would be well within his rights to paint either the Communist manifest or "FUCK NIGS LMAO" on the side of his rockets. That sort of freedom gives you more space within which to try out new ideas, which in turn drives innovation.

>>11812282
My hot take is that Europe as a whole is too internally diverse to cooperate on the level that the United States can. Sure, each US state is like a country on its own but all of them share an identity of being American (except the southern states kinda sorta). Europe on the other hand has hundreds of years of history of being separate entities. Trying to force them all together to be one would be incredibly difficult and would most likely require polices and mindsets that won't be able to tap into the continent's full potential.

>>11812271
Because America is a juggernaut. Unlike countries like China, the US doesn’t inflate their numbers for fake GDP. Working hard and the “American Dream” meme is infused into daily philosophy. The government generates tons of money from all walks of life, and is able to feed that into things like military, NASA, construction, etc. Also the USA is very accepting of hard working people. I would imagine a country like Germany wouldn’t want a South African coming in and trying to spearhead aerospace... meanwhile the USA is more than welcome because it’s beneficial to everyone. It’s just how it is, I would say that everyone in the USA (whether they love or hate Elon) probably know he’s from South Africa but never really think about it, he is considered “American”

>>11812328
no i don't think that's it. there's obviously huge money involved in space access and exploration and we all know money doesn't gaf about borders. it just seems like any individual that has any ideas fucks off from pretty much anywhere to the us. the rest of the world is an ambition wasteland. it's saddening.

>>11812282
This is easy. Just look at how our government spends its money compared to other nations. Ever wondered why America’s always at war with someone? Because holding the world hostage is what makes us #1.

>>11812328
It's always funny seeing Americans talk about how different they are from one another when in reality the most redneck, rural country bumpkin has far more in common with any inner city minority than a Catalonian has with a Castilian.

>>11812350
>Catalonian has with a Castilian
literally who lmao

>>11812258
Everything they make is utilitarian. They think its a Russian look, look at the ak47, the kv-1 or the tu-95

Why doesn't it react in the fuel injector? Fossil fuel would need air so that's why the jet fuel doesn't burn in a jet engine, but what makes the nuclear reaction prefer the seeming lower density zone beyond the injection head nozzle?

>>11812328
>>11812339
>>11812350
Yeah this is the answer desu. Americans have the best system, and work well together/integrate people very well. Elon could just as easily be doing this with Canada, but the United States gives him the financial opportunities to keep succeeding (i.e. getting contract after contract from NASA) and is very accepting of his original nationality. No one scoffs at him for being born somewhere else, they want to feed his ingenuity because at the end of the day a Starship is going to land on the Moon with an American flag

>>11812341
That might be it too. Europeans seem to have a concept of identity that is unitized. Like, Germany is a country that contains Germans who look like such and speak German they enjoy German culture, and so fourth for every other country. They don't encourage the idea of mixing all that much compared to the US who accepts anyone as long as they contribute.

>>11812361
What are you talking about exactly?

>>11811453
>Everything they've built at Boca Chica aside from MK1 has been a testbed, so all of them. Your problem is you think a prototype has all of the capability of the final product, which is the opposite of the point of prototyping.
you are retarded but ok lets say thats what a prototype is. then they would still have a looong way to go, with many newer and more sophisticated "prototypes" still needed until they can build the first real starship. and thats basically all i was saying.
but sure call a tank with and engine under it a prototype and wait for them to magically build a finished spaceship the next year.
you have a long wait ahead of you buddy

>>11812328
>except the southern states kinda sorta
don't forget utah

>>11812370
>they have to make more
Oh no, whatever will they do. They surely won't just make more, will they?
>making new prototypes at a rate of one or a month and only scaling up
Oh, nevermind.
>kicking and screaming about the term prototype
You can whine all you want but building test articles to explore manufacturing processes, as SpaceX is doing in Boca Chica, is a textbook example of prototyping. A prototype is not something out of one of your korean kartoons where it outperforms the production version.

>>11812370
there's more than one way to prototype. the build it and fuck it up out of some tents method is probably as cheap if not cheaper (considering they're using a lot of tech they've already developed and flown) than having hundreds of engineers desk jockeying for years developing a model of something that may just work with a higher initial success rate.
it's the goal that matters, and if blowing up some steel rings in a glorified billionaires garage is cheaper than oldspace but gets the same result who cares.

>>11812403
Yeah you hit the nail on the head. These prototypes aren’t supposed to get to orbit. They’re just testing weld techniques and alloys and stuff. There’s a reason they don’t livestream all their tests, because they aren’t supposed to be “cool”. They’re just supposed to be proof of concept techniques that they iterate up from. Eventually when they build the first demo Starship it will be a combination of all data gathered from these prototypes

>Elongrad, Capital of Mars year 2069 AD.

>>11812367
Yeah, europe as a whole has a bigger and better economy then the US, but it lacks the unity that the US has to push for something like NASA.

>>11812428
what musk is doing is beyond bleeding edge. bleeding edge is what vast contractors backed directly by the state used to do. and this is another level in terms of ambition and (lack of) resources. i can't respect the guy enough for at least trying and given his past record i'm pretty confident his method will win out.
and if it doesn't win out, and there is never any hope for cheap access to leo and beyond, then we're fucked so fingers crossed :)

>>11812449
>bigger and better
no just bigger.

>>11812466
US transportation of goods is subpar to the rest of the world.
Trucks are great, but they should not be only way of transport;

>>11812483
American goods are transported by airplane and boats as well. Especially industrial material. What the fuck else should the US use, railway? No thanks.

>>11810666
How would I find my way back to Earth from outside our universe?

I have this imaginary scenario in my head about becoming a floating consciousness able to move about in space after death and it freaks me out to think about getting lost!

>>11812487
>railway? No thanks.
I will never understand the hate&confusion when it comes to railways with americans.

>>11812499
I don't know what he's talking about, plenty of trains stuff up in my corner of the country.
Mostly iron ore and lumber but other stuff too. Trains are cool, Americans hating them is a meme.

>>11812499
>Americans hate rail
This is literally the first time I'm hearing about this.

>>11812499
it's not just americans. why is rail freight better given the total cost of building a network that supports only one type of vehicle and can only do bulk transit? just build a fucking road.

>>11812509
>I don't know what he's talking about
compare Amtrack to European passenger rial. Amtrack is shittier service and more expensive.

>>11812495
>universe
galaxy* obviously....

>>11812523
Because America has a stronger car industry which caters personal transportation better than rail.

>>11812519
transporting stuff by rail requires a lot less energy then if you use trucks, also for passenger transit you can have people go much faster by rail than by car.

Who will Starship not flop around like a wet burrito with its aggressive landing maneuvers if the last one folded over when the lower tanks wasn't properly pressurized?

>>11812523
The closest passenger-bearing train to me is like 5 hours south, so I have basically no experience with them. Lots of freight though, I live within earshot of a switching station and you can hear cars banging together at night. Fuckers block the road constantly though and you have to wait or go around.

>>11812531
>a lot less energy
we orbit a giant fusion reaction. saving energy is a meme.
>>11812530
there's a huge car industry and culture in europe too. and most of us aren't served by these apparently spectacular train services. again it's a dumb meme.

anyway space travel!

>>11812531
maintenance cost per ton are also lower when you compare train to truck, even if you have to offload the goods in a truck/van for final delivery.

>>11812542
yet one remains predominant in both america and europe, and it drives on roads.

>>11812547
Cant have a fucking train run up to everybody's house now can we anon?

trains in space tho

>>11812552
it's almost like the needs of the economy aren't as static as the prc would like us to believe. i'm joking of course but seriously anyone suggesting replacing road transport with pt is like shelby demanding sls and nothing else.

>>11812495
It's like finding a sandgrain hidden in the solar system.

>>11812554
Space-truckin'.

>>11812554
Speaking of which. How would the logistics and infrastructure of interplanetary trade be handled? Would there be large Heighliner ships waiting around for the next hohmann transfer? Would it be handled by smaller craft which launch whenever? Would each company have its own transport branch, or would they outsource?

>>11812554
If you lived on a ship this big, how bad would the coriolis effect fuck up daily life? I know it would be worse for smaller ships, so how big would the ring have to be to not notice it?

>>11812495
>>11812577
Maybe keeping up with Earth's rotation would be challenging enough in that scenario. I found this textual description on the subject, keep it stiched to your space spirit suit just in case!

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/62-What-is-Earth-s-location-in-space-
> What is Earth's location in space?

>Well, Earth is located in the universe in the Virgo Supercluster of galaxies. A supercluster is a group of galaxies held together by gravity. Within this supercluster we are in a smaller group of galaxies called the Local Group. Earth is in the second largest galaxy of the Local Group - a galaxy called the Milky Way. The Milky Way is a large spiral galaxy. Earth is located in one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way (called the Orion Arm) which lies about two-thirds of the way out from the center of the Galaxy. Here we are part of the Solar System - a group of eight planets, as well as numerous comets and asteroids and dwarf planets which orbit the Sun. We are the third planet from the Sun in the Solar System.

>>11811991
truthpilled, you could get it reasonable with some fuckoff big inflatable modules but no one seems willing to go down that route
>>11812107
Shame. I never understood why the ESA have a spaceport there though, do they not like the Kazakhs or something.

>>11812620
>you could get it reasonable with some fuckoff big inflatable modules but no one seems willing to go down that route
Because the point of the ISS isn't to do more with cooperation, but to tie everyone down so they don't start another space race.

>>11812583
Would be awesome to be a space trucker in the way they depicted it in that show.

This is peak Martian performance

>>11812609
My assumption is that each company will initially use Starships for transportation. I wouldn't be surprised though if we start to see companies start manufacturing large freighters that require skeleton crews to run (especially if we can develop shipyards in space, and ESPECIALLY if we get some sort of new propulsion system that can beat out chemical rockets).
>>11812612
Even on a large ring, the effects would be slightly different. I've heard that even on a large O'Neill cylinder, something like pouring water or dropping your keys would be strange because it would curve very slightly on its trajectory downward. Someone born on a ring would think of Earth gravity as very strange and linear.

>>11812483
>>11812487
https://www.masterresource.org/railroads/us-most-advanced-rail-world/

>>11812635
Eurofags can't stop losing

>>11812554
Hyperloop works great on Mars due to inherent vacuum.

>>11812629
>I wouldn't be surprised though if we start to see companies start manufacturing large freighters that require skeleton crews to run (especially if we can develop shipyards in space, and ESPECIALLY if we get some sort of new propulsion system that can beat out chemical rockets).

NOSTROMO WHEN

>>11812643
Hey Mike Pence? Yeah, take the shot

>>11812620
>I never understood why the ESA have a spaceport there though.

It is the closest major spaceport to the equator at 5º latitude, which is optimal for geostationary satellite launches.

The only launch site that bests it is Alcantara in Brazil, and they can't get their space act together. And of course the defunct SeaLaunch ocean platform which could launch from exactly 0º.

>>11812649
“With the Tesla cannon onboard this starship, I can cure all California in a week!”

>>11812258
Shit taste. Imagine not having a violent raging erection when gazing upon old soviet era space tech, your life must be miserable. After all, it's not like you're in them anyways.

>>11812657
Old soviet rockets are pretty cool I’ll agree. N1 was extremely unique, Energia was an absolute unit.... but other than novelty, US stuff looks better overall

>>11812657
>Soviets never walked on the Moon
>Space race just petered out
REEEEEEE

Space race theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh8WeJ3fWqk&list=RDpediLbC-Uts&index=47

>>11812554
Given the chance I would build the most old timey colonial house and country barn on a futuristic ring world

>>11812361
Guessing you talking about OP pic? The fluid dynamics are designed to prevent as much mixing as possible and to keep the uranium fuel away from the walls, this is the toughest part. It's more a diagram, the shape and flows would be much different.
These things can be simulated on Earth but we need microgravity to actually put one of these to the test.
Otherwise all the materials are within our grasp, compared to a closed cycle which would need some exotic alloys to work, but with far less efficiency losses.

>>11811659
They're probably easier to trademark.

>>11811346
Bullshit, some of them are swamp gas and Venus.

>>11812635
Not just that, Boring Company's tunnels are expanding rapidly too. Boring Company has already done 4+ different tunnels. LA-Dodgers, Hawthorne, Las Vegas, some other in desert, + their latest Tunnel Boring machine supposedly can dig out and lay the concretes at a walking pace(according to San Bernardino County council man). That's fucking fast. That's so fucking fast. He may have misheard it or misunderstood it, but the impression is, their new Boring Machine (just put into work last week or so) is blazing fast. Oh yeah, the San Bernardino County also has basically given the go ahead to Boring Company to build another tunnel from their airport to rail station. 2-3 miles for $40-60M and in 3-4 years (3/4 of the time is on paper work since they can build 1-2 mile tunnels in just 3 months each way). Competing light train above ground will cost $1.5Billion for same length and take 10+ years.

>>11812680
walking pace? no lol, even the recent TBM is still slower than Gary the snail

>>11812683
Yeah, the council man said it himself in a live meeting. But I suspect its a misunderstanding, hopefully we'll get a clarification later. And this new boring machine is being was put to work either this week or last week.

>>11812680
Is the Boring Company one of Elon’s billionaire side projects or will it actually start generating money and be used all over the solar system at some point. I think it would be cool if the guys who trained spacex astronauts were boring company geologists

>>11811439
Not having them in the first place is the real answer

>>11812690
He owns equity in them I presume, he gets part of the wealth they get

>>11812690
Its a side project now, but its already got products/customers/etc lined up. If they can optimize the boring machine and learn fuckton about how to build/operate it on Mars, you can bet your ass that Boring Machine will be on one of the starship, either as parts to be assembled or wholly.

>>11812693
Elon owns like 95% of the company right now. He can sell parts to raise cash as needed.

>>11812698
yup

>>11812690
>>11812696
The boring company already has team of geologists, I assume. Surely a great deal of them would love to do studies on Mars. If they don’t get sent directly, they would certainly have the best knowledge of Mars’ structural geology. I wonder if elon will utilize their knowledge to train astronauts or send them there directly to dig and tunnel. Question is, if they go will they be spacex employees or boring employees. Maybe they’ll get both patches on their spacesuits

>>11812707
look at all his companies and show me one that isn't to do with a mars colony.

>>11812712
This, been saying it for a while that EVERYTHING he's doing as a businessman is moving towards that one goal.

>>11812712
NeuraLink. Not really related to Mars, but I suspect Elon wants this thing ready by the time he becomes old so he can still augment himself.

>>11812722
remote controlled machines that have the capacity of humans. think exploration, mining, tasks where a boston dynamics robot shits itself.

>>11812722

>I think public transport is painful. It sucks. Why do you want to get on something with a lot of other people, that doesn't leave where [sic] you want it to leave, doesn't start where you want it to start, doesn't end where you want it to end? And it doesn't go all the time. ... It's a pain in the ass. That's why everyone doesn't like it. And there's like a bunch of random strangers, one of who might be a serial killer, OK, great. And so that's why people like individualized transport, that goes where you want, when you want.[330]
BASED

>>11812753
This triggered ton of public transport officials across the country. LMAO "NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT"

>>11812732
where did that jaw come from

>>11812753
>>11812758
Lmao I always think of that scene where sweet dee takes the bus on always sunny. People shit on americans for not wanting to take busses or trains, but look at our public transportation system. It’s fucking disgusting. Last time I was in new york a homeless guy shit on the subway and wiped it on the wall. Fuck that

Will Starship enable space stations that aren't just stack-em lego piece cylinders?

>>11812773
It will enable whatever you can pay for and build

>>11812753
He's right and the problems are intrinsic to public/mass transport.

>>11812769
Plus its dangerous. I don't want to deal with groups of black hoodrats when im trying to pick up some vegetables.

Do you guys realize that Elon's off shore launch platforms will allow him to launch astronauts sooner. 2024 mars trip is looking realistic

>>11812722
NeuraLink is likely necessary to control more sophisticated droids for EVA operation on Mars. Machines suck at adapting, but human EVA is incredibly risky and probably slow.
Instead of spending huge amounts of money on EVA suits that can break and become basically useless, using droids controlled locally but remotely by colonists sitting in their habs would be faster and cheaper. If one part breaks on the droid, you use other droids to bring it to the hab, fix the droid or break it down for spare parts, and only lose the broken part rather than the entire EVA suit (or at least huge portions of the suit).
Imagine the first Mars mission only brings 10 EVA suits for two full years, and they all break a common element like the helmet that renders the suits useless within the first year. Mission failure with everyone dead. If the droids are standardized to use many parts throughout the droid of the same types, like same motor (or big and small motor), same processing chip throughout the droid for redundancy etc, even if one breaks, you can have a huge supply of parts and still finish the mission. A rock falling on a human in a suit likely means dead human, while the droid would break but could be salvaged for some parts or even fixed.

>>11812541
>we orbit a giant fusion reaction. saving energy is a meme.
Problem is we can't utilize the free shit Sol blasts at us efficiently enough. Otherwise human-made fusion reactors would only get any real attention once we started preparing an big enough extrasolar mission.

>/sfg/ be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW_jsS_JnMY

>>11812690
I’m pretty sure it’s Elon fucking with the idea for building Martian bases; that and generally being neat

>>11812802
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA

>>11812753
They should allow private trains, I just want a mini train I can cruise around the country with some mates

>>11812722
Neuralink is transhumanism I want to live in my PC tower

>>11812802
Mmmm yes and how do you feel about Elon Musk?
>I luvahim to desss, lessah make amerca greatuhgeeeeen!

>Primary Date June 19, 2020 8:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. Closure Canceled
Another SN move date scrubbed.

>>11812802
Those lads in spacex shirts 120% confirmed /sfg/ posters

>>11812806
>"I love your rockets but man, I just can't get behind that rocket, Starship. You're not gonna put an abort system on it to get them out if the rocket explodes?"

>>11812821
Based patriotic non-WASP american

>>11812790
Yep can't restrict human space flight if its launched in international waters

>>11812836
Absolutely kino shot

>>11812836
I eagerly await the day of the great fucking Boogaloo

>>11812841
Yeah no

>>11812841
Ok doomer.

>>11812836
SpaceX is a domestic entity no matter where they launch from.
There's no reason to be concerned, anyway. Is the FAA suddenly going to take a hard stance against putting Americans on Mars? Unlikely.

>>11812850
Yeah the government should instead regulate and fuck up and slow space travel down to a crawl and suck money out of the economy in the form of taxes to redistribute to parasites and government officials
If it wasn’t for Elon Musk, we wouldn’t go to Mars until at least 2050

>>11812851
How am I a doomer???

>>11812841
hopefully it happens after the mars colony is self-sufficient

>>11812350
The proof of this is that the US military functions at all. Joint operations across cultural boundaries are a disaster every time, but you can have Jamal from Baltimore and Billy from Omaha in the same foxhole and they'll be OK.

>>11812867
America possesses a unique spirit.

>>11812802
Space bitches

>>11812871
>Tfw no tomboy Vanguard gf

>>11812870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7OlBdFIxbk

>>11812867
Military training will unify anyone if it's done halfway right. The entire point is to break a person down and rebuild them as part of a unit. Joint operations are different because you're talking about unlike militaries, not unlike people.

Musk discusses the breakup for a few more minutes, then asks, earnestly, deadpan, “Is there anybody you think I should date? It’s so hard for me to even meet people.” He swallows and clarifies, stammering softly, “I’m looking for a long-term relationship. I’m not looking for a one-night stand. I’m looking for a serious companion or soulmate, that kind of thing.”

>>11812857
I'd rather not have a civil war for no reason anon

>>11812871
That black man embodies the human spirit to find new and interesting things to fuck.

>iceye plans a 48 satellite constellation
Constellation sizes are growing, but satellite sizes are shrinking. We need bigger sats for bigger rockets.

>>11812143
Yeah that's incredibly based and giga Chad like and all but I would rather have sex with one of you fat faggots than have sex with Gr*mes

>>11812925
whats your number :)

>>11812912
The invention of the microchip killed space flight.

>>11812948
We have more flights today than 10 years ago or 20 years ago or 30 years ago.

>>11812948
Are you just searching for shit takes? Retropropulsive landing is reliant on computing, and the future of rocketry is built upon it.

>>11812957
Spaceflight collapsed 30 years ago. We still haven't caught up to Cold War launch numbers.

>>11812925
What’s unattractive about her? Not what I’m into either.

>>11812970
Absolute autism, are you retarded?

>>11812904
Yeah it’s a bit of a joke but I do find all this government nonsense horribly tedious

>>11812970
Turns out, you can't spend 30% of the whole economy on space/military.

>>11812857
>Yeah the government should instead regulate and fuck up and slow space travel down to a crawl and suck money out of the economy in the form of taxes to redistribute to parasites and government officials
I doubt this will happen. SpaceX is too valuable to American space superiority for the government to try to target them, and any element within the government is going to be stopped by other elements who benefit from SpaceX's existence.

>>11812925
Those two bitches probably have zero going on upstairs and no capacity for love, I could see Grimes having a cuddly side however and at least the ability to have a conversation

>>11812999
They met on Twitter because they both made the same reference to an AI thought experiment. I’m sure he has something going on in her head even if it’s a bit kooky

>>11813011
Maybe they both have neuralinks installed that produce mutual hormones and fuel the relationship lmao

>>11812925
To be fair, Grimes doesn't look bad when she isn't in her weird ass emo getup. She actually looks kinda cute. Hopefully Elon converts her to his main tradwife, because they're both nerds.

>>11812782
Problems are intrinsic to a mutt filled society with forced integration

>>11810666
Devils trips... this is why this thread has barely actually talked about spaceflight today

>>11813223
Can we not be racist please

>>11813190
Being weird is fun

Is grimes actually a nerd? She said her favorite plane was the lockheed A 12, but I feel like she wouldn’t be into that stuff...
Kinda cool if she is though. Just a reminder that Eugene Shoemaker’s wife wasn’t into science, but her husband was so good at explaining science it made her go study astronomy at 51 and they ended up discovering comets and stuff.

>>11813235
no

>>11813245
Holy based yeah I read this on wikipedia a few days ago. Shoemaker was a chad

>>11813245
I wonder what her armpits smell like. If it smells anything like my crotch, we can see SpaceX's next launch of 60 satellites on the 23rd. Can't wait.

>>11813265
Smell your girlfriend’s/wife’s armpits it’ll be about the same

>>11813245
grimes is a meme autist just like elon desu, they fit perfectly

>>11812980
Always is but better than the alternative

>>11813235
Fuck off

>>11813233
we've just had a really slow last couple days

Redpill me on the Indian space program. Will it be better than China's?

>>11813324
>Will it be better than China's?
Not without help. China got Russian/EU help and stole bunch of shit from US. Indians had to do it mainly by themselves. I see ~10-20 years gap between China/India atm.

>>11813324
Doubt it but they aren’t communist so I say we cooperate with them

>>11813324
No.

>>11813358
Soon as they get human to space.

>>11813324
imagine the smell

>>11813324
>poo colored satellite fairing
DESIGNATED SHITTING SKIES

>>11813324
>Bathroom is a miniature street diorama

>>11813410
Holy shit lmao

So my fellow autists, any updates from boca since the test tank popped?

>>11811367
>>11811822
We are going.

>>11811367
>>11811822
>>11813449
Anon Version too

I wonder if starship’s “cockpit” viewing window will change. It’s a shit ton of glass. Also looks kinda lazy

>>11813456
Nah it’s just a glorified observation window so the shape is fine.
Also a reminder that the first passengers on this thing aren’t going to be you, or science enthusiasts. It’s going to be a japanese billionaire and a bunch of art majors who are women and the #dearmoon project is just a dating game show around the moon for Yusaka to try and get a girlfriend

>>11813471
So nothing of importance can be lost?

>>11813476
Haven’t thought of it like that, hahah

>>11813456
Based on existing space windows I would be surprised if that was engineerable. Also if it takes a single hit from a micro meteoroid you might be done

If you really want a view do commercial spacewalk

>>11813540
Give it forcefields

>>11813540
the window will unironically be 1000x more resistant to micrometeorites than the rest of the starship

So whats new with Starship

>>11813556
That's the new shitty instagram filter they are trying on sn5 and sn6? How will it improve performance?

>>11813564
It increases the sci-fi look x10

>>11812836
>FBI cant accuse me of arms traffiking if I sell the guns on international waters!

I fucking hate ike

>>11813540
Of all the things that could go wrong on a massive spaceship and you're worried about micrometeorites?

>>11813556
So will they be testing both SN5 and SN6 at the same time?

>>11813681
Probably not

>>11813556
Waiting for SpaceX to get the destructive data they want from SN7 (and possibly SN8, who knows), so they can begin the production work for the new alloy prototypes (SN8 or SN9+), before sending one of the existing prototypes to the blast zone for tank qualifications and potential flight testing.

Did the Shuttle kill Nasa?

>>11813678
These things are moving at orbital velocity in a vacuum. With some bad luck a tiny piece of space debris or a small chunk of space rock could absolutely fuck up your Starship. Imagine it hitting yout window

>>11813740
The shuttle was a compromise between the people who wanted more Apollo-scale projects and those who wanted to scrap the whole agency after the space race was won. It also kept a nice steady flow of government contracts and jobs in important strategic sectors in key congressional areas. Like all compromises, nobody got everything they wanted, but we got SOMETHING. SLS on the other hand is a step backwards in every way possible. Nobody gets anything they want, but the billions in money and contracts still gets pumped into oldspace contractors.

>>11813740
Obama killed NASA

>>11813758
Yeah this

>>11812401
>outperforming the production version.
dude nobody is claiming that. however the prototype should at least performe SOMEHOW instead of just sitting there until it is scrapped or explodes. how can one be so incredibly dense
what you mean is a pathfinder, i have no problem calling the current models that.

>>11813747
elon has stated he will be keeping the windows

>>11813774
I think you fundamentally don’t understand why they are testing. The alternative is to build a million full sized starships, try to fly them, and watch them explode. What’s wrong with building small sections and testing the little things first
>>11813785
Interesting. I’m not fundamentally against the window I just wish he gave it a cooler shape like the B17 or something but starship is cool either way. This is just my autistic side of the brain thinking

>>11813564
still sexier than the most popular Instagram attention whores

The Starliner is the only vehicle that we should ahead with.
Defund Elon's scam immediately.

>>11813810
nigger

>>11813825
This but in all-caps

>>11813825
Who would you rather trust with your life, an established company with decades of experience and proven expertise in spaceflight or a deranged unstable weed-smoking scam artist?

>>11813829
nigger

>>11813810
>>11813829
The scary thing is that some people who make decisions actually think this way and trust Boeing. They're either on the Boeing payroll or retarded but still.

>>11813758
Nasa died when the Apollo program was selected and pointless mission to Mars was selected
Rather than any sort of sustainable space program with incremental improvements we have a bureaucratic mess

You DID buy launch insurance, right?

The Jew run FAA forced me to, ma

>>11813829
The so-called scam-artist's craft is the one that is currently docked to the ISS. Meanwhile Starliner has to undergo a top-down review AND do another unmanned launch before it gets Human-rated.

With how slow Boing works, Starship will be flying before Starliner gets man-rated.

>>11813876
>Starship will be flying before Starliner gets man-rated
More like meme-rated LMAO.

How do I stop boosters from removing pieces of my rocket as they come off in KSP?

>>11813896
Sepratrons nigga.

>>11813896
use those tiny srbs at an angle to boost them away from the body of the rocket when they decouple

>>11813896
Explain the problem further. Are they tearing pieces off?

>>11812753
Too many absolute retards have already tried to get me killed on the roads and I still got a majority of my commuting life ahead of me. Also I hate having to take care of maintenance and the high cost for these deteriorating assets. Cars are kinda garbage.
I‘ll stick to public transport for the time being. But then I‘m not in the US.

>>11813896
Use Separatrons, have them fire on the same stage as the decoupler. Depending on how your rocket is set up and how big the separating fragments are will dictate how many of them you will need to use.

>>11812802
Kek those two at the end

>>11813747
>Imagine working in the lab that does that

>>11812802
>RAWKIT LAWNCH!

>>11813983
I know they do it at Ames. Here’s an energy flash from a 7,500 m/s impact in the lab

>New NASA spaceflight chief makes no guarantees about 2024 moon landing goal
https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/06/18/new-nasa-human-spaceflight-chief-makes-no-guarantees-about-2024-moon-landing-goal/

Should surprise absolutely nobody who actually paid attention.

>>11814016
Jim is my boss’s boss. I’ll email him tomorrow and see what she meant by this. Probably a problem with SLS that I could press him on

>>11814022
Jim has been ordered to say that 2024 is the time table, that's what he means when he says 2024. That's just the politics part of it. He has no real control over that part.

>>11814016
>“We’re going to try,” she told NASA Watch during a teleconference. “We’re going to try, right? Sometimes it’s the trying that gets us closer to the goal than the not trying.”
>
>Many space observers view the 2024 goal as unrealistic — one former NASA manager recently called it a “pipe dream” given the technical challenges — but Lueders said, “if you start and you say I can’t get there, well, you’re not going to get there.”
>
>“You’ve got to start and try to get there,” she said. “If things come up along the way where technically it takes us longer, then we’ll go figure it out. But right now, the team is trying.”
That sounds like an apology in advance tbqh desu. Does this means that SpaceX might end up on its own if it wants to set boots on the Moon?

>>11814030
It means buckle the fuck up, because Boing is delaying the fuck out of the project, again.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1273871381353033729
raptors reached 300 bar chamber pressure

>>11814030
>Sometimes it’s the trying that gets us closer to the goal than the not trying.”
oh god it's so sad, like an injured foal.

>>11814085
303.975 bar actually. They're not 1:1

>>11814090
Never knew that actually

>>11814094
1 atm = ~1.01325 bar

>>11814022
>>11814026
please call him Big Jim

>>11814131
I'll call him whatever the fuck I want. He's only a couple of years older than me, so he's not a daddy figure to me.

>>11814133
yeah but he's really big
look at how wide he is

>>11814035
>Boing
Could a certain senator fix this problem?

>>11814153
lolno. Can't fix cost plus.

>>11814133
what do you do for work fren? obviously without giving away your anonymity

How do I use reaction wheels to stabilise a rover in KSP?
It's hard to turn without rolling over.

>>11814153
did someone say orbital refuelling?

>>11814161
Early retired former welder. I fill my time learning how to make my own rocket engines.

>>11814164
>all this time and you haven't posted pictures of this

>>11814167
Because why the fuck would I post pictures of myself studying the fucking literature? I can't just fucking throw together pipes in a shed and hope for the best. I haven't built shit.
Gotta start somewhere, and I started from the basics.

Shits hard when you were a dropout closing on 30 years ago who went back to school for a short time 20 years ago.

>>11814162
the movement keys and the reaction wheel keys are bound to the same thing by default
I like to drive with numpad and stability control with arrow keys or whatever

>>11814162
If you're using the mk2 lander alternate hippy camper rover, turn off reaction wheels altogether for a smooth driving rover. If you accidentally flip it, you can turn reaction wheels on to flip it back over again carefully if your design isn't ass backwards.

Reaction wheels is like a magical super strong gyro that weighs 5 times more than the vehicle is supposed to weigh. Doesn't really work once you stick wheels on something.

>they actually repaired SN7
wtf im surprised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFNPBb_2HZ8&feature=youtu.be

>>11814170
well when you do start to build something i'd be interested in seeing it.

>>11813471
>the #dearmoon project is just a dating game show around the moon for Yusaka to try and get a girlfriend
>tfw billionaire and you still need to pull a crazy stunt to have any hopes of getting a gf

>>11814178
Who knows, I was planning on getting some workshop space and a TIG torch, but then this pandemic shit started and threw a massive fucking spanner in that.

>>11814176
So they're actually going for a RUD? Jesus, why fucking bother.

>>11814131
I know people who call him Jimmy Boy but I would never. I’ve only spoken to him a few times in person and it’s mostly just been about his visits to SpaceX

>>11814183
>jimmy boy
based

>>11814183
it's a /sfg/ meme to call him Big Jim because he always looks fucking huge standing next to the astronauts or his coworkers
I don't think he's actually that large but it seems like it

Just a reminder to ignore fake news. Remember: these people intrinsically hate Jim because of “drumpf” and they will kick him to the curb the second they get a chance.

>>11814195
Why the fuck does the pencil pusher at the top need to have a "background in science" again?

>>11814195
He's based but fuck he needs to lose the double chin