/sci/ - Science & Math

Based. Fuck the eternal stoodiers.

>>11811837
NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT! ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!! YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD STUFF. YOU NEED TO SPEND 100 BILLION AND 100 YEARS OF PLANNING.

>>11811837
>billionaire flees into international waters to evade regulation and oversight
Pulling a Paul Allen huh?

>>11811922
>evade regulation and oversight

The government will simply hold back his dreams for mankind. It makes them look bad if a private company can do better than them without needing to resort to extortion.

>>11811837
YIKES spacex bankrupt by 2021 muskrats on suicide watch!

>>11811941
>spacex
>private
You're a special kind of retard, aren't you...

>>11812703
hmm?

>>11811941
No way that would happen, the government would just buy launches from SpaceX to boost its own space flight programs.

>>11811837
Shut the fuck up and stop worshiping idiots.

>>11813061
>meanwhile at the altar of SLS

>>11811951
yeah, no.
spacex has proven space can be cost effective compared to Govt programs. There is no way investors tolerate going back to the last 50 years of status quo.
>>11811857
i gotta say. Musk's "do it anyway and we'll fix the mistakes as we go" way of business is quite entertaining to watch.
businesses are too cautious and spend more money on decades long studies than just jumping into the deep end and figuring it out.

>>11813061
>musk does everything himself
>no engineers
>no scientists
>just musk
Retard detected

>>11812703
Do you know the difference between a public and private company or are you just a retarded underage zoomer?

>>11811837
Didn't Ukraine do that like 20 years ago?

>>11811837
Why is this idiot and his followers being allowed to consume so much of our resources?

>>11813660
Because Ol'Musky provides goods & services that the general public (or at least the part of the public that can afford luxury cars anyways) wants (Tesla is eating the luxury market in the US), large corporations want (see the various companies buying launch services) and that the government wants - both directly, like purchasing launch services, or those tunnels the Boring Company is building in Las Vegas, or indirectly, like the tax credits Tesla purchasers used to get; the government wanting people to buy electric cars in that case. Starlink will add millions of rural Americans to that group too, once it is fully up. Good luck convincing all those groups that Mr. Musk shouldn't have his companies using resources to provide those things.

>>11813061
>liking someone is worship
not everything needs to be exagurated you know

>>11813660
Go be jealous somewhere else

>>11813647
>it's legally a private company so it doesn't matter that it only exists because of billions in public subsidies

>>11813660
I'm pretty left, but even I can see the good of having a corporation like Space X. In this current climate, space exploration wasn't getting the proper funding and I saw many leftists cry about wasting resources on space related shit. If not for Elon, space exploration at this pace wouldn't be possible. The good outweighs the bad. If he was more like Bezos and Blue Origin I wouldn't defend him.

>>11813794
>In this current climate, space exploration wasn't getting the proper funding
SpaceX operates at 1/20th of budget of NASA

It's part of his secret plan to bring the old Sea Dragon plans to life.

>>11813804
Sea dragon is not even physically possible
You can’t ignite an engine like that underwater

>>11811873
kek

>>11813842
why

>>11813846
Cuz it will put out the fire, have you ever burnt anything

>>11813763
It's providing a service to the government and has consistently done so at prices lower than the established market leaders.

why are elon fanboys so basedpilled

>>11813852
Ever heard of an oil fire? Water just spreads it out and makes it worse, there are plenty of examples where the ocean has been set on fire due to an oil spill combusting.

>>11813879
Doesn't matter, it's still retarded and wouldn't work.

>>11813932
why

>>11813937
The better question is why do you think it would? There's no reason to think something so retarded would work.

>>11813797
not him but he should have worded as
>space exploration wasnt being properly managed.

>>11813939
> why do you think it would
According to physics if thrust outweighs load, you get lift.

>>11813852
>i have no idea how oxidizers work.
>this makes me an expert in the field

>>11813706
That's nice. Do you also throw your garbage at the homeless when you drive by in your bmw? I know I do. I hate them for not consum.. uh, i mean "contributing to humanity" like I do.

>>11813794
>I'm pretty left
> ....
>leftists cry about wasting resources

ya you sure sound like you're pretty "left"

>>11813762
I'm not jealous. Consumers like you are more revolting to me than the morbidly obese.

>>11813763
Since you're young and ignorant I'll spoon feed you.
Private and public refers to the ownership and control of the company.
Private is privately funded and controlled by investors. Public companies have stocks and shares that anyone can buy which gives them some power over what the company does based on number of shares owned.

>>11813660
Because he is singlehandedly driving the space industry forward.

>>11813660
Because increasing our space capability is absolutely vital. The government won't commit to it properly so Musk stepped up.

>>11811922
>billionaire flees into international waters to evade regulation and oversight
And that's a good thing.

>>11813794
Leftists are certified retards. Why would you describe yourself as one? It's like saying "I'm an idiot by the way."

>>11811922
His whole goal is to flee into interplanetary space to evade regulation and oversight, so is that really any surprise?

>>11814273
>every competent person flees Earth to work in Elongrad

>>11813617
>i gotta say. Musk's "do it anyway and we'll fix the mistakes as we go" way of business is quite entertaining to watch.
The Musk mindset is powerful and applicable to many areas. Once you can tolerate uncertainty and mistake making on a psychological level, all kinds of things open up.

>>11813804
soon

>>11811837
>>Musk: hire the engineers today and lets see how fast we can build one.

Musk is a faggot, but such brave planning is based and repdilled. If everyone would behave the same way, we would be colonizing other worlds (as in "universes") already. Or we would kill each other in World War-67, but it's still better than slow extinction and degradation.

>>11813932
...I..I know but im not gonna tell you because i wanna see if you know!

>>11813871
>>11814007
>>11814017
>nnnoooooooo you're a private company you're not allowed to push space exploration forward!!!
>nnNOOOOO YOU'RE MAKING OUR IDEOLOGY LOOK RETARDED STOP BEING BETTER THAN NASA NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I support musk man 100%.

>>11814007
Dude, why would I drive BMW when i could buy a Tesla?

I fucking crack up everytime I see some tard ranting about Musk. It's so bizarre how obsessed cunts are with hating him, the sheer amount of seethe he causes is just hilarious.

>>11814011
I am, but I don't equate all resources with one another. A lot of leftists aren't well versed in science and are social science types. For example, I might agree on most things with them, but I would never be against nuclear energy. They are. I'm not an idealogue.

>>11814232
I consider the right to be certified retards. They're just as reactionary, but for different reasons. I have no problem or shame describing myself as one even if I disagree with certain things.

>>11813953
Space exploration was managed fine. It was human spaceflight that was bungled up. This was largely due to LOBBY politics

>>11814729
>I consider the right to be certified retards
t. certified retard

Literally bruteforcing space accessibility with money and engineering. based.

>>11814388
no shit, it's called being based in agency. you keep taking action on your goals in as reasonable way you can using your body and your property. anyone not based in agency was born for nothing and is not an adult until they have sufficient self awareness and self actualization to be based in agency.

how does being paranoid help you get your work done? it doesn't, it's dysfunctional.

>>11814557
>not talking about the 800lbft of torque each tesla motor makes
so trucking by diesel was dead the day these cars were first made, the industry is just waiting for automation so it can kill 2 birds with one stone. with that kind of power we won't use gasoline or diesel engines ever again.

NOBODY talks about this. hot rodders are buying tesla motors and crashed teslas and they can't get that output without the tesla drive controller and penthouse computer, it's driving them nuts. but hey, it's driving chevy and nissan fucking nuts too

>>11814729
>I consider the right to be certified retards.

>>11814729
>I consider the right to be certified retards
t. the progressive left

>>11814902
Scientists, intellectuals and high IQ people are way more likely to be leftist and progressive than rightoids that don't want to bring their kids to school or college because "le universities are communist brainwashing machines". There's a reason Einstein was a socialist.

>>11814914

>>11814914
did you guys know there was a field called drafting, where these folks just plotted vectors on paper using rulers and triangles to represent complex engineering geometry? it turns out there is a mathematically True way to plot an ellipse, the 'correct' way.

and the way lefties teach people to perform fourier transforms doesn't use it ... so the way these intellectuals have been mimicking fourier this entire time yields mathematically incorrect results.

but of course only trade school kids know that. right? the rednecks fucking their sisters? or are they incels? are they getting laid or not? wait don't rednecks have like 7 kids? good thing i didn't go to trade school, or i'd be confused right now.

>>11814940
How many nobel prizes were homeschooled? how many nobel prizes didn't have a college degree? This is just pure incel cope.

>>11814914
Having principles really matters to the romantic, which is who makes up the 'liberals', 'socialists' and 'progressives'. I forget, is the constitution a right wing trope or not? maybe it was a set of principles? who cares right? get it? right?

>>11814945
Correlation between iq and income goes down after 135.

>>11814914
Being socialist has nothing to do with faggot appreciation month, nigger reparations, open borders, hate speech laws, women and minority quotas, etc. UNLESS you are a cultural Marxist, coopting the blanket term of socialism for your nefarious anti-white agendas.
Also, being right-wing doesn't mean you like capitalism, in fact the socialist wing of the right is growing day by day, because the most populist (i.e. POPULAR) position is economically "left" (socialist/anti-corporatist) but culturally "right" (nationalistic/traditional conservative).

>>11814914
You can't want the government to run the economy and claim to be intelligent.

>>11814940
this likely just correlates with parents that give a shit. most parents dont teach their kids fuck all and just expect the school to do it

>>11815003
Also, conversely, being supportive of gay people, trans people, minorities, women, and immigrants doesn't imply you're socialist. I'm pretty socially progressive but economically fairly centrist/moderate/libertarian. Andrew Yang would probably be who I align with most.

90% of every thread on this website (not this board; the website) devolves into far-right people arguing with people who aren't far-right. Someone please start another Gamergate so these fucks can leave and make their own chan. Radical politics is a fulminant cancer.

>>11815073
>people who aren't far-right
>not calling them far left
>not putting equal blame on the far left

>>11815062
Good point.

>>11815130
>not being a literal nazi edgelord means you are a commie

>>11811922
Lets see Elon Musk's card

>>11814007
>Do you also throw your garbage at the homeless when you drive by
No because that would require slowing down and opening my windows. The real galaxybrain strategy is moving out of the city entirely and starving them of tax revenue so they have to tell the homeless to fuck off on my behalf.

>>11813804
>>11813804

>first stage powered by single monster 80,000,000 lb thrust engine
>second stage powered by somewhat smaller (but still fuckhuge) 15,000,000 lb thrust engine

Muh fucking dick. This is what you would use to launch an entire aircraft carrier into LEO.

>>11814894
It's not just about torque, it's also about infrastructure. Unless you can recharge or battery swap a Tesla truck in under half an hour at rural truck stops, or do 5000 miles on a single charge, it's not competitive with diesel for long haul routes. If the sedans can get up to 500 miles on a charge (Model S is already 80% there) then we're looking at the correct levels of battery density.

>>11813660
Cause he's at least putting it toward something good and awesome, unlike your welfare check

>>11815306
I came from reading this

>>11815315
>450t to orbit
That's not even close to a CVN size. That's just five Starship launches.

>>11815326
poggies have a far smaller impact on the environment (and hence future generations quality of life) than psychotics like you

>>11811837
>wow they are such pragmatic engineers!
when did engineering become so conservative and scared of trying new things?
also
>sucking Musk's dick
I bet you won't like him when he decides to move all his shit to another country or to his own personal island kek

>>11813647
>>11814129
in other countries, "public" doesn't follow the same definition. "public" company means owned by the state
his point being that spacex (and tesla, solarcity, ...) got a lot of money from governments.

>>11813660
He's contributing to society in a positive way. Not only has he started companies which give many people jobs, but he has also funded ground-breaking and market-distributing technology which have improved their respective markets. For example, SpaceX has not only driven the cost of accessing space by a tremendous amount AND sent people back to space from American soil, but they did it in a way that encouraged other competitors to adapt so they can compete resulting in a better overall launch market.

Reading through these comments ive never been more sure that it will be a bad ending humanity. like, good luck convincing a virus not to multiply and destroy, its just what a virus does.

>>11814914
An intellectual would never send their kid to a public school period, not do they care as much about politics as you're implying

>>11813617
You don't have to figure out that launching a 3000 ton rocket with 100 civilians on board right next to a major city and fucking shooting it at another country like an ICBM is never ever going to be a thing.
That CGI video was so fucking retarded I would throttle the fucker who greenlit it.
Also how the fuck is mr. lets go electric even getting away with the idea of public transport network that releases 1500 tons of greenhouse gas 40 times more potent than CO2 on a one way trip?

>>11815600
The guys a salesman and a bureaucrat.

>>11814007
I drive a pickup truck. And I take the homeless dude to McDonald's and let him pick out a combo.

>>11811922
> “I am Andrew Ryan, and I am here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No,' says the man in Washington, 'it belongs to the poor.' 'No,' says the man in the Vatican, 'it belongs to God.' 'No,' says the man in Moscow, 'it belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose Rapture.”

>>11811837
I don't see the problem, he already has a landing pad it can't be that much harder to develop that into a launch pad as well.

Why do people like this dude so much?

>>11815600
Found the TSLA shorter

>>11815996
he's the only billionaire that fucks with the meme game

>>11815996
Because he gets shit done.

>>11815996
He helped revive hope for American space flight.

>>11815996
GETS. SHIT. DONE.

>>11814902
Of all the niggers you could have picked, you had to pick one of the very few who seems to have a realistic view of the world and enough integrity not to submit to the racebaiting narrative.

>>11815475
>when did engineering become so conservative and scared of trying new things?
it didnt.
its the entities that employ it.

>>11814945
Brainlet. Homeschooling is incredibly rare.
>>11815057
This is true, probably mostly mediated by high IQ parents passing on their high IQ genes.