/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11811461
>is is

actually i would say it is borderline.
it can be evaluated from the point of view of organic chemistry and biochemistry: it contains carbon and it plays major roles in biological systems, by technically being the hydrated form of CO2 (see the Hamburger membrane phenomenon).

on the other hand, it sparks the interest of many inorganic and physical chemists because of its instability. moreover, the synthesis of H2CO3 requires H2O and CO2 which are officially regarded as being part of the inorganic category. whatismore, given the fact it is a diprotic acid (albeit a weak one), it has analytical implications as well.

>>11811480
Sry misspelled, English is not my 1st language

>>11811497
Can you explain why H2CO3 is also HCHC ?

>>11811663
what does HCHC mean

>>11811461
>>11811497
It has a carbon therefore it is an organic compound. That's literally the defining charecter of organic compounds.

Organic compounds can be evaluated using a lot of different methods including traditionally inorganic and physical.

Carbon dioxide is also an organic molecule while water is not.

>>11811461

Unstable acid of a fully oxidized methyl group

>>11811461
Because it contains carbon, brainlet.

>>11811944
>diamond is organic
Ok

>>11812003
Diamonds are allotropes and minerals, dumbass, obviously they're not organic.

there is more to organic compounds than just containing carbon. connectivity of atoms also plays an important role.
some chem textbooks assert the fact that organic compounds should also contain at least 2 C-H bonds. meanwhile, the hydrogen in H2CO3 is bonded to the oxygen, rendering the molecule, according to this definition, inorganic.

but what shall be done in the exceptional case of mellitic anhydride, the largest oxide of carbon which contains no C-H bonding? it is generally accepted that, by originating from an officially accepted organic molecule (in this case, mellitic acid), another molecule (the product of that starting molecule) can be placed in the same category. but this definition is ambiguous as well because certain chemical, more intricate chemical pathways may generate inorganic products from an organic substrate.

that's what i'd say it is borderline. it is organic enough to be embedded in biochemical processes, while also being of interest for inorganic chemists because of its features (lack of stability, connectivity, acidity, there are even some dissertations which treat carbonic acid from a physical point of view, associating it with other inorganic acids).

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>>11812235
Glad you found an image describing yourself.

>>11812236

Change my mind: CO2 is an organic compound.

>>11811944
An incorrect statement followed by an insult used to characterize a person who frequently makes incorrect statements

My copy of the CRC Handbook puts Carbonic Acitd among the inorganic compounds. If you accept an argument by authority.

>>11811461
So looking through the literature the whole thing is a shit show for classification. A lot of compounds with carbon are excluded on the basis of historical context. But they are not considered inorganic either by those same designations.

Honestly just hold organic as a soft definition and recognize that the distinction between organic and inorganic is not as important as other charecteristics.

>>11811461
I would personally consider it to be inorganic, as it does not contain any C-H bonds.

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>>11813743
By that logic you're using the definition of "organic" from the 19th century.

>>11811461
Carbonic acid is widely accepted as a mineral acid and therefore inorganic. The real question is, why oxalic acid is considered organic.
The Calcium salt can literally be found in mines as whewellite (monohydrate) or weddellite (dihydrate).

>>11813911
That's nothing, look up the mineral mellite.

>>11811461
Is it though? I never encountered it in my o-chem classes, I thought all organic compounds had to have a C-H bond.

>>11811461
the term "organic compound" originated from the days when it was thought that only biological systems could make them. This is obviously outdated, but by those standards H2CO3 is inorganic as it occurs without life.

>>11811461
it contains no carbon-carbon or carbon-hydrogen bonds, and is therefore inorganic

>>11811738
>Carbon dioxide is also an organic molecule
>>11813911
>oxalic acid is considered organic
Both wrong. Organic implies C-H bonds, not just carbon in general.

>>11811461
organic versus inorganic is just a man made jargon that, ultimately, means nothing whatsoever. it is purely down to convention whether you consider it organic or not

>>11811461
H2CO3 is inorganic.
HO-COOH is organic.

methanol acid
hydroxyformic acid

>>11811461
Everything that has carbon can be considered an organic compound?

>>11811461
Depends on what pesticides it was grown with

>>11811944
dumb

>has carbon atom
QED

>>11821840
Nice one word reply. Go kill yourself now.

>is da C-H bonds
>tri chloro methane is organic
>but tetra chloro methane is not
kill yourselves CH-bondniggers

>>11811461
Organic is a term from times when scientists believed some reactions can only happen in living organisms.

>>11811461
Interesting question. Technical answer would be because it contains covalently bound carbon.

>>11824268
Nice.

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