/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11808462
>mostly old people
>old people are republican
>means less republic vote
>biden probably gonna win
this whole think is a liberal conspiracy, I bet the jews had something to do with it

>>11808470
rude

>>11808462
Where are you getting 5% from? We likely have over 7 million infected given the inflated death rate, but even then that's only 2% infected.

>>11809391
I saw it in a news article. Maybe it's wrong.

is everyone thinking we are actually going to wait for herd immunity though? just watch all those people die?

>>11809420
>1.2 million old people die
I mean what are we supposed to do? We've attempted to institute policies to slow infection rates but our society is not designed in such a way to force cooperation by the average citizen and if we did we would have far reaching economic and political implications. Be thankful that this disease does not kill more.

>>11809514
>but muh freedoms and stock market
Fuck right wingers. At least we know you'll never win an election again

>>11808462
>Won't go away until 60% are infected

You misunderstood, we need at least 90% for proper herd immunity. But the problem with this in particular is that coronavirus has a short half life in the immune system so we don't know how long immunity lasts. Other comparable coronaviruses only have a couple months. It's why the Sweden experiment failed.

We are basically fucked without a vaccine . Gonna be great when we need to vaccinate and 30% of the pop doesn't wanna

>>11809535
They will though. Nothing can convince a right-winger in 2020 that they’re wrong, so changing their minds is not possible. They are also the group most emphatic about voting, so force or dissuasion is not possible either.

A few decades from now they’ll be gone, but they’ll certainly win elections between now and then. There’s too many of them and their heads are too far up their asses.

>>11809514
>I mean what are we supposed to do?
shelter everyone in place till the deaths and new cases get low enough that we can track each one and find who that person likely interacted with and watch those people for 14 days every time

put effort into it vs. just locking everyone down for awhile then saying "fuck it we're open again with no tracking and tracing and based on our feelings not how many people are dying every day"

>>11809535
>At least we know you'll never win an election again

Did I accidentally time travel back 4 years?

>>11809356
I know right? He didnt even give the jews' reptilian overlords the credit they deserve.

>>11809420
>I read a news article somewhere, sometime
>Didn't tell us whom the article was written by
>Didn't post link to article
>Didnt investigate whether the article author even cited any sources
Please dont do this, for the boards sake, for your sake. You started a scientific discussion based solely on unsourced 2nd hand knowledge. In college one of the first things you learn is what constitutes a good source and to always check sources and cite your own when authoring something. Bad/incomplete information is rampant problem with millenials and zoomers. Someone tells you something and you immediately take it as fact. Also citing tv, social media, news articles, youtube, etc is widely looked down on as those things quite often have zero interest in citing their own sources. Didnt anyone in your generation play the telephone game as a kid? People make mistakes, lie, forget details aka we're prone to err, so check multiple sources.

>>11809391
>the inflated death rate
All evidence suggests deaths are under-reported

Who cares covid hoax is over

Reminder that covid-19 is not only dangerous for old or weak people. Young people suffer from various organ failures (mainly lungs, kidneys, heart, brain) and don't seem to recover.
Everyone on the
>only kills old people
train can go fuck themselves and die in a horrible train crash.

>>11809989
So let's lock down indefinitely and make people lose everything they ever had with no constructive solution for learning to live with the virus until a nonexistent Israeli vaccine rains from heaven.

is the worldometer data still reliable? It seems as though with the carelessness and PPE fatigue that we would see a really sharp upswing but we are still lingering in the same infection rate region that we have been in the past few weeks. What the hell is going on?

>>11810079
>indefinitely
you don't need to, a couple of weeks or a month at most would to IF EVERYONE COOPERATED or if people were forced to. but that's the problem, people are retarded and don't care, until it affects them, because
>muh freedoms

>>11810352
>a couple of weeks or a month at most would to IF EVERYONE COOPERATED or if people were forced to
I'm sorry, but is the outbreak already over in China?

Even pandemics in the 21st century are gay and boring.

>>11810375
no, but they supposedly found virus in some imported products in a beijing market

>>11809535
I said the same about Democrats if Biden were to steal the nomination. I can’t believe he’s getting away with it. It’s not fair bros.

>>11810375
>>11810079
Look at he countries who did cooperate. Where people were such fucking retards. New Zealand is free. So are others.
People not cooperating on this are fucking second degree murderers/torturers.

>>11808462

>>11810734
your point?
1) those numbers are for 12 months, well see where we are with covid next april
2) only one of those are contagious

>>11808470
but it also highly concentraded on black and in Dem controled area. So Biden is gonna lose.

>>11810743
Covid is very fast, can kill 1 per cent of your population in a couple of months. Mean age at death is 80 years, here in Italy. So the covid kills in a couple of months the people who would have died in the next 12 months, mostly. In the first weeks it is scary to watch the pile of coffins, but after a couple of months all is over.

they turned a class war into a race war and you let them do it

>>11810098
>It seems as though with the carelessness and PPE fatigue that we would see a really sharp upswing but we are still lingering in the same infection rate region that we have been in the past few weeks. What the hell is going on?
fucking this

Yeah, didn’t you get what flattening the curve is about? It’s not preventing the spread, it’s about slowing the spread so that a surge in the number of cases doesn’t overwhelm the hospitals.

‘Slowing’ being the operative word, it’ll take months to years for the spread to finish instead of peaking short term. We can’t actually prevent the spread so that’s the trade off, the best we can do is slow it enough that there’s hospital and ventilator capacity for everyone who needs it. That brings the death rate down to 2-3% from 5%, not a huge difference in the number of deaths overall but it’s way better survival odds.

>>11808462
You can stop the virus, Japan, Korea, Cuba and Europe did it, It's not this hard. you can keep infections and deaths low until you got a cure or a vaccine. Unfortunately third world nations like Brazil and the US seem to be unable to do the same.

>>11811407
>Dude just be a totalitarian hellhole

Nah. Freedom wins.

>>11811148
>Yeah, didn’t you get what flattening the curve is about? It’s not preventing the spread, it’s about slowing the spread so that a surge in the number of cases doesn’t overwhelm the hospitals.

Why is nobody talking about the million + people who are going to die in the next year in the USA?

>>11811423
Humans, in general, aren't capable of long-term thinking.

>>11810794
>In the first weeks it is scary to watch the pile of coffins, but after a couple of months all is over.
>all is over
Enjoy your 10% of the workforce not being able to work 100% anymore because of the long-term effects of Corona-chan.

>>11811407
>until you got a cure or a vaccine
This kind of talk and putting blind faith in $cience is dangerous and effeminate. The time that they are buying wondering how they're going to break it to the world that there's no cure or vaccine could be better spent learning to live with the plague that China unfortunately unleashed on the world.

>>11809962
You don't understand the board demographics yet

>>11809962
I do this with mainstream media sources, leftist crap etc. but there are proven reliable outlets for which I do not follow sources because I know they are rigorous and have their shit together. This is called trust. Don't pretend you follow sources for everything because you do not.

>>11809514
>Be thankful that this disease does not kill more.
Au contraire.

>>11812467
>contraire

>>11811905
fuck off, literally every point he made was valid and you're so far up your own ass that you can't acknowledge it and instead have to reply with some weak excuse.

You are a player in the detriment of this board

>>11811905
>these are the kind of people browsing /sci/ now
Just delete the board.

>>11813637
>delete

>>11809535
Fuck your entire life. I don't give a shit about 1.2 million old people. I am better off if they all die because it frees up capital resources which makes things better. Why do you think the Renaissance immediately followed the black death? You're so stupid and spooked it makes me sick.

>>11810352
>until it affects them
You have even more reason to propagate it if you're infected as the more cases, the greater the impetus for a cure.

Why are idiots here still ignoring that young victims suffer from organ damage?

>>11809562
Uh no sweetie if you get it once you can't get it again, that's how viruses usually work especially like these, and even IF it did come back it wouldn't be as effective as it would be now, it's not the plague

>>11814845
>that's how viruses usually work especially like these,
lmao, you don't know shit
> even IF it did come back it wouldn't be as effective as it would be now,
What is Dengue fever? HPV? Eppstein-Barr etc etc

>>11814869
Shut it /x/, your apocalyptic WW3 Black Plague fantasy isn't happening, my sister had the damn thing and even she is saying she can't get it again thanks to her immune system. Christ this board has fallen from grace

>>11814886
And btw all those examples you showed are completely different types of diseases unrelated to colds and flu's so you don't have an excuse

>>11814845
There is no immunity built against other coronaviruses like MERS and SARS which explains the absence of a successful vaccine. Sort of hard to develop immunity against diseases that target your t-cells

>>11810804
Class is more of a spook than even race is.
>>11814840
Why are idiots still asserting Chang Fever is harmless if you're not a Boomer?

>>11814886
How is anything I said related to /x/ you gigantic fucktard? All im saying is that you're a fucking dumb piece of shit.

>>11814895
>Corona is like the flu or like the cold
Oh I see, you're just trolling. Gtfo >>>/b/

>>11814576
what? are you talking about herd immunity or something? because that shit is retarded

>>11814840
"Young" as in 35, or young as in 20, but obese and/or with asthma?

>>11809989
Explain the 70% who are asymptomatic and have zero complications

>>11814840
Literally does not happen.

>>11814978
Factually incorrect. Longitudinal antibody studies of SARS 1 showed people with antibodies several years after infection.

>>11816432
Young as in
>21yo marathon runner can't walk up stairs anymore
>43yo dentist develops dementia
>29yo teacher can barely walk 300m
Etc etc.
None of them had any preconditions.
Asthma is not a risk factor it seems, given that it was treated.

>>11817103
How is that related to what I said? Start using you brain.
Even asymptomatic victims develop organ problems btw.

>>11817113
>I haven't heard of it, hence it doesn't exist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fhealth%2f2020%2f04%2f24%2fstrokes-coronavirus-young-patients%2f
https://choice.npr.org/index.html?origin=https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/12/875486356/first-known-u-s-lung-transplant-for-covid-19-patient-performed-in-chicago
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/doctor-note-coronavirus-permanent-damage-200410112235801.html
Or Google the stuff I mentioned above.

God this board is filled to the brim with fucking imbeciles.

>>11810352
Muh freedom is the reason you can post stuff like this on the internet. Go ahead and drink your Onions and I'll go to the supermarket without a mask and buy my zero calorie monster. Seethe more faggot.

>>11817490
>muh freedom
Wouldn't last long if everybody acted that carelessly. A few global supply chains already collapsed or at least got delayed hard. You wouldn't really have supermarkets anymore, only normal stores. It's you who's the seething faggot without long-term thinking capability.

Good visualization of wu flu deaths:
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/
> just a flu bro
>more people die of suicide
>more people die in accidents

And these are just the deaths, not the survivors with permanently damaged organs.

>>11817490
>Muh freedom is the reason you can post stuff like this on the internet
well, I wouldn't care if the internet was restricted to professional communications.
also, don't you understand that these are abnormal circumstances, that the virus could cripple or kill large parts of the society, and that restriction of freedom SHOULD be imposed until it's solved?

>>11816406
The post is self explanatory. Seems like the issue you have is a limited cognitive capacity which renders you confused. Indeed, it is you that is retarded, ipso facto by your inability to grasp then throwing in the towel with a brainlet grunt of "wtf this shit is retarded".

>>11818140
Good. The more people it kills, the better things will be for those who survive.

>>11818146
>>11818149
Ok, pretentious retard

>>11817285
>even asymptomatic cases develop organ problems
No. No they do not. You cherry picked the lung transplant girl. She was immunocompromised and not remotely healthy. Funny how the 'covid strokes' storyline completely disappeared from the news and hasn't been mentioned recently despite tens of millions having the virus. Strokes WITH covid are not strokes because of covid you smooth brained child.

What will you post next? Covid lesions and boils? Kawasaki's disease in children from covid? It's all hysteria for clicks. Stop believing it.

>>11809562
>we need at least 90% for proper herd immunity.
Lol, it's up from 80 to 90 now? You stupid cucks will believe anything you're told. won'tcha?

>>11818220
>Kawasaki's disease in children from covid?
Caused by millimeter wave exposure. Probably real.

>>11818220
>No. No they do not.
You couldn't be more wrong. There are several known cases now. Ever wondered why recovered people are interviewed so rarely? Why you never hear people say "I had it, I'm good now"?

>You cherry picked the lung transplant girl. She was immunocompromised and not remotely healthy
Got that by accident. Sure, she was immunocompromised, but still, why make her suffer? This is not helping your argument at all. Feel free to search around for other cases of clean people without any medical conditions prior to getting it.

>Strokes WITH covid are not strokes because of covid you smooth brained child.
Sure, if we compare baseline stroke cases before and after covid, the increase is surely just a coincidence.

How about this: actually go out sometimes and get to know people who work in hospitals. I know a few nurses and doctors. Trey will readily tell you about lung scans of young patients and kidney failure in previously healthy patients. Less well-known but actually also less rare is inflammation of the heart. You can close your eyes in front of all these cases, but they won't disappear.

>>11809535
>says the leftoid rioting in the streets

This is all well and good, but the question is what to do next? If a vaccine can't be made and the world can't sustain itself hiding inside, what should the realistic course of action be? And no /x/ doomers or /pol/ bullshit please.

>>11817113
If you develop pneumonia you're going to have some degree of permanent fibrosis.

>>11818220
you do know covid causes blood coagulation, right?

>>11811408
You consider Taiwan and Germany totalitarian hellholes? Have you actually done any international traveling?

>>11818610
So do many, many other conditions.

>>11818608
Something like 80% of people are hardly affected by covid. Eventually the virus will attenuate into a common cold/flu. Until then, live you life and don't give into the constant fearmongering. Wash your hands more often, stay home if you have a fever or feel sick. Other than that, no change needed.

>>11818609
Shut the fuck up retard. Jesus you're an idiot. Millions get pneumonia annually and almost all of them recover.

>>11818937
>and almost all of them recover.
Yes, they recover, usually with reduced lung capacity and pulmonary fibrosis. Inflammation damages the lungs, which leads to scarring, which is essentially permanent at this point.

>>11818165
>Pretentious
I don't think you know what this word means.

>>11808462
Yes. Don't underestimate the power of exponential growth

>>11809535
>>11809594
>>11810579
Trump is gonna win by a landslide.

If you don't test for it it will go away.

MAGA

>>11809514
Not having a shitty corporate-owned government that the people distrust because it treats them as an enemy would be an excellent part of this excellent start: kys.

>>11808462
Covid is over

>>11810584
I live in NZ

We still have it. Also lots of people didn't cooperate. Also our economy is fucked. Also we are an insanely small population and remote country that is in no way comparable to the states.

>>11821362
Sure, but more people cooperated and were less idiotic than retarded 'murricans or Europeans.
News said you guys officially don't have any infected people around. Is that a lie?

>>11821362
>Also we are an insanely small population and remote country that is in no way comparable to the states.
I totally agree, nothing against NZ I would love to visit there someday but how can people be saying "NZ did it right and everyone else fucked up" there is no new york city in nz with 9 million people living on top of each other spreading the virus early on.

>>11821579
>NZ did it right and everyone else fucked up
Who says that?

>there is no new york city in nz with 9 million people living on top of each other spreading the virus early on.
Are you implying such cities exist in all countries with lousy numbers?

As you can see with Sweden, having a New York doesn't matter for any metric measuring how fucked the situation is.

>>11821503
We were case-free for like 3 weeks, then the border was opened and they started letting thousands of people through. They even let some people through without testing them (honest to God have no fucking clue what they were thinking) and now we have cases again.

>>11811559
>Enjoy your 10% of the workforce not being able to work 100% anymore because of the long-term effects of Corona-chan.
Nobody in the main stream talks about this. It's been what I worried about most since all the way back in February when it was revealed that a shitload of people in China had heart issues after just mild cases, and now we know it's basically "spin the wheel of permanent organ damage!".
A recent Nature Medicine article (Long, Q 2020) suggests immunity to covid-19 begins to drop off sharply after recovery. An average reduction of IgG levels of ~70% was seen after only eight weeks. So will covid just sweep through again and again until everyone susceptible enough to suffer mild organ damage becomes a critical case? This virus is fucking spooky.

>>11824630
Damn. That sucks.
>They even let some people through without testing them
I really thought Kiwis were smarter. Corona-chan is damn persistent.

>That's the man, officer. See! He isn't wearing a mask! He could be an asymptomatic carrier and a public health risk!

>>11824792
>Corona-chan

How can I block sõyjak posters?

>>11824936
you could write a script i guess, they arent hard to identify

>>11824936
Rent free

>>11824942
Hmm, like an md5 over known images? Could work. I'll try. Thanks.

>How can I block sõyjak posters?