/sci/ - Science & Math

First for martian hive cities

>>11806556
Wtf is that image Op

>>11806571
The chinese Villager Pillager 5 rocker

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRm7oRCTkjE

Spot spotted at Boca

Plasma Magnet Sail dedicated thread is still up if anyone's interested.
>>11801868

>>11806579
What the hell do they have one of those for?

>>11806594
They used one in Singapore to nag people about social distancing so it might be to chase reporters away from the danger zone of tests.

>>11806594
In case they get leaks/damages and they can't send someone to inspect the issue right away. We had that happen few times in the past. So this 70K robot dog is probably worth it, if it saves them couple of hours worth of clean up inspection from time to time.

The Stellaris track “Deep Space travel” is big beautiful.

>>11806596
>>11806599
Both good uses, shit I hadn't realized these things were for sale now, hadn't really kept up and just thought they were still in perpetual testing.

>>11806570
Where are you gonna get a crane big enough to print a huge city? retard

>>11806624
print the crane retard

>>11806624
Build it in sections, double retard

>>11806629
>>11806625
Just prefab it on earth and pack it into starship or whatever. Done.
The real question is when they’ll make the navigator houses public

>>11806638
But then you need to haul that shit from Earth to Mars
Haul a small prefab section printer to Mars and have it build the city from local materials
Then use the print factory to expand

why dont we just print starships?

Why don't we just send an unmanned probe to Mars and have it print colonists when it gets there?

>going all the way to mars when it's objectively easier to print a new mars in Earth orbit

>>11806654
This is unironically an idea for interstellar colonization. Send embryos then grow them in tubes

>>11806648
3D printed materials are not strong enough for reentry.

>>11806654
Best retort for the proonters yet.

>>11806665
just print some new printers that can print stronger materials

>>11806654
Technically satisfied by sending a ship with a crew of only pregnant women!

>>11806677
>Implying women left alone could create a successful colony, let alone properly raised martians
Double dubs won't save you

>>11806677
>>11806654
Artificial WOMBS

>>11806654
This is peak dystopia. People grow up in some kind of habitat on a hostile dust ball. They have a limited number of videos and texts to learn from, mostly technical or utilitarian in nature. Eventually, once they grow up, they start wondering who made all these things, who put them in this hell and what have they done to deserve this.

>>11806665
If we're actually going to be taking that one seriously, it's obviously retarded. For simple shapes and large scales 3D printing is going to be more expensive, not less, and Starship tanks are both.

>>11806687
Why would it be a hell? Sounds fun

>>11806687
peak kino*

>>11806687
>once they grow up, they start wondering who made all these things, who put them in this hell and what have they done to deserve this.
You don't feel like this already?

>>11806687
I for one envy our outwardly bound descendants with their hot android moms.

>>11806701
No, I already know who the Baby Boomers are and how they got tricked into creating this hell world.

>>11806709
K

>>11806693
Jedem das Seine.

>>11806701
Yeah, I had this thought. But at least our place is good looking and we don't need a suit just to not suffocate and not get radiation poisoning. In theory we can just do fuck all and grab fruits from plants that grow by themselves.

>>11806703
>hot android moms
[citation needed]

>>11806709
The world is fine. Stop complaining

>>11806713
>[citation needed]
What else are you gonna use? Human babies don't look after themselves.

>>11806645
>But then you need to haul that shit from Earf to Mars?
Wowee zowee if only there were some massive rocket with a theoretical payload between 100 and 150 tons designed to be capable of visiting all of the inner planets and also Mars.

>>11806720
Does not necessitate androids, let alone hot. Also technically it should've been "gynoid".

>>11806726
Specialized nanny gynoids are nandroids.

>>11806726
>Does not necessitate androids, let alone hot
Their first ideal be not be something hideous or inhuman, right?
>should've been "gynoid"
>implying you're not in my magical realm

>>11806741
>Their
Whose? The people building hell nannies would be us terrans. Currently we're barely past uncanny valley if at all.

>>11806741
>Their first ideal be not be something hideous or inhuman, right?

Being inhuman is good. We should replace humans with centipede-shaped robots.

>>11806744
The colonists, you ninny. I don't know what it looks like when you grow up imprinted on Spot here >>11806579 but "space wolves" comes to mind.

reminder: there are bigger challenges for a colony than how you make structures. Growing food, producing air, recycling sewage, and other basic things are more important. Sure, they make for cool looking CG and art, but that's about it.
>>11806645
you need to haul shit from earth no matter what. You ain't printing a goddamn airlock any time soon on mars and liquid airlocks are impractical. A bunch of other equipment cannot be printed too. What matters is exactly how much mass you save compared to other alternatives. Mass trades or GTFO.
>>11806648
parts of starship are probably additively manufactured. There are places where it makes sense to use additive manufacturing. You can make really complicated structures for rocket engines that are difficult to make any other way. Additive manufacturing is also a great choice for producing parts you don't need too many of. It is very rare to mass produce anything in aerospace, because all in all, we don't make as many rockets/planes as ford does cars. But there can be pretty big strength benefits to using regular rolled steel.
>>11806665
you can print fucking ceramics, we can damn well print heatshields. Ablative heatshields can also be made from plastics and thermoset resins. Printed ceramics are more interesting though because we can make complicated parts that can withstand high temperatures. This might be useful for hypersonic vehicles. Here's the real red pill with additive manufacturing ceramics, you can do absolute witchcraft and make ceramics that are flexible rather than brittle. Pic related. 50% elastic compressive strain in ceramics shouldn't be possible, but it is with additive manufacturing. But yeah, there are benefits to just using stainless steel sheets. Additive manufacturing's just another manufacturing technique, we'll use it where it makes sense. Although the tech for making alumina microlattices is pretty fucking exciting. As now we can now make structures with ceramics and metals.

>>11806748
Yeah, but they'll have to reconcile their parent figures being so drastically different from themselves.

>>11806579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXxRXJ7o1N8

>>11806758

>>11806751
>parts of starship are probably additively manufactured.
I can't think of anything. The raptors and structure don't have any, and right now that's about all there is to it. Some COPV tanks and valves, tesla battery/motor assembly for flaps, maybe there's some 3D printed shit in there I guess

Kek, so much print hate by lava tube faggots. We all know Musk and NASA will choose the printing as their method of colonization. What was the song again? Oh yeah BIG PRINTING

Why isn’t the lunar lander thingy pointy to reduce air resistance?

>>11806771
There's no air resistance on moon.

>>11806771
Air resistance on the Moon?

>>11806751
Aged piss actually makes an excellent plant food

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/

Solid waste have a bioreactor to generate methane and feed bacteria to eat and feed fish/aquatic livestock
https://phys.org/news/2018-01-microbes-astronauts-human-food.html
A full blown city of thousands would scale up to an HTL/biodigester plant to handle that much waste and generate solid fertilizer, biocrude oil and methane

>>11806767
>niggers, boats, 3d printed structures
What they all have in common is they're staying on Earth

>>11806654
>I'm going to prooooooooont

>>11806751
>liquid airlocks are impractical.
Saw a design for a suit that essentially sealed onto the outside of the hab and you get in it closing the hatch behind, but it looks clumsy as fuck.

>>11806791
Wasn't that on a NASA rover design? It more or less works there but if it was a permanent solution you wouldn't have any easy way to maintain the suits

>>11806796
Maybe it was on the rovers.
Keeping out Martian perchlorates is going to be difficult.
Liquid airlocks sound cool and a lot safer, but reading about it online you would need a 10m column of water to hold pressure. Probably a bit too much.
Also 5 hours to Long March 2D launch, prepare your peasants.

>>11806763
some components of the raptor are probably additively manufactured.
https://www.fabbaloo.com/blog/2017/10/18/elon-musk-not-using-3d-printing-as-much-as-suspected
One raptor engine spacex tested did have 40% by mass of its components additively manufactured:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/10/its-propulsion-evolution-raptor-engine/
It's not as much now, but there are probably some complicated bits and pieces that are additively manufactured.

>>11806801
Wouldn't the water column immediately start boiling off and render itself nonviable? You'd have to pressurize the unpressurized side, seems backwards.

>>11806780
>Aged piss actually makes an excellent plant food
So /r9k/ are gardeners?

>>11806807
NSF was saying it should freeze over with minimal loss, would still need topping up. That or an oil layer.
This guy was proposing it for vehicles but it's not as though martians aren't already wearing pressure suits that need to be cleaned before returning.

>>11806802
Ahh alright, I thought they abandoned it for Raptor but they just scaled it back, got it.

>>11806767
So that's it? That's your entire argument? No numbers just some CG pictures in a meme? Mass trades or GTFO!
>>11806780
sure it may work, but how well? And for urine there's also an issue of how much you can recover. You may need special toilets to recover it.

>>11806814
Neat. Although re:cleaning, after a decent number of uses this thing is gonna be a muddy perchlorate sludge and probably have its own unique biosphere, I'd still throw in a shower.

Why yes we are space x fans, how could you tell?

>>11806825
>and probably have its own unique biosphere
So it's a win-win?

>>11806820
It's not like reusing urine as fertilizer is a novel problem to be solved on Mars, people do it on Earth already

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>>11806840
based
why are all the gemini photos so fucking kino

>>11806840
jehme-knee

>>11806843
cricket

YEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>11806843
Jim-Knee

im gonna CHOOOOOMMMPP

>>11806849

>>11806820
>No numbers just some CG pictures in a meme
We've posted the numbers before but it just turns into a shitfest. Do your own research.

>>11806782
Nigs will get the diversity checklist rude, boats will come with the terraforming and even if spacex doesn't print, NASA will to flesh out the technology.

>>11806820
Urine already is collected separately via tubes or on mars, a urinal
Also it works really well because we expel all the same nutrients plants need, and letting it age let’s the ph go to neutral

ge-min-eye

>>11806556
>July 3 Electron • “Pics Or It Didn’t Happen”
>Pics Or It Didn’t Happen

>Upon first entering the station, the crew encountered a smoky and burnt atmosphere and after replacing part of the ventilation system spent the next day back in their Soyuz until the air cleared. Their stay in Salyut was productive, including live television broadcasts. A fire broke out on day 11 of their stay, causing mission planners to consider abandoning the station. The planned highlight of the mission was to have been the observation of an N1 rocket launch, but the launch was postponed. The crew also found that using the exercise treadmill as they were required to twice a day caused the whole station to vibrate.

>Kerim Kerimov, chair of the State Commission, recalled: "Outwardly, there was no damage whatsoever. They knocked on the side, but there was no response from within. On opening the hatch, they found all three men in their couches, motionless, with dark-blue patches on their faces and trails of blood from their noses and ears. They removed them from the descent module. Dobrovolsky was still warm. The doctors gave artificial respiration. Based on their reports, the cause of death was suffocation."[15]

>The autopsies took place at Burdenko Military Hospital and found that the cause of death proper for the cosmonauts was hemorrhaging of the blood vessels in the brain, with lesser amounts of bleeding under their skin, in the inner ear, and in the nasal cavity, all of which occurred as exposure to a vacuum environment caused the oxygen and nitrogen in their bloodstreams to bubble and rupture vessels. Their blood was also found to contain heavy concentrations of lactic acid, a sign of extreme physiologic stress. Although they could have remained conscious for almost a minute after decompression began, less than 20 seconds would have passed before the effects of oxygen starvation made it impossible for them to function.

based soyuz

>>11806871
and that's why we wear flight suits

why are pencil rockets so fucking sexy bros
anything with boosters or varying thickness just isn't as hot

>>11806840
pee pee
poo poo bags

here's your new space suit bro

>>11806871
Both Soyuz-1 and Soyuz-11 crews would of survived if they were in Vostoks.

>>11806879
>Mmm…
>Hrmmmmm…

>>11806879

>>11806879
>Americans invent a skintight pressure suit

>>11806884
No.

>>11806875
Because nothing is wasted. Utility is it's own aesthetic. Personally I like boosters, especially if they're a copy of the core stage.

why do all the new spacesuit prototypes look so fucking gay, they better not still look that fucking gay by the time they get to production

>>11806879
Looks so ugly it hurts my eye.

>>11806892
falcon would be way sexier if it didn't have the wide fairing

>>11806882
would've*

>>11806888

post kino suits

>>11806896
It would also have substantially inferior payload volume capabilities if the fairing were limited to the diameter to the core stage.

>>11806899

>>11806896
THen it would have pitiful payload volume. It would've been a better vehicle if the whole thing were wider and shorter instead but it's built for road transport so that's out.

>>11806899

>>11806902
just make the core bigger bro

t. ksp pro

>>11806879
This particular suit may look more like a dive suit than a space suit with all the attendant awkwardness, but I say if we're ever going to spend a lot of time doing EVAs, or working on planets with very harsh abrasive terrain, hardsuits will eventually predominate over soft suits.

>>11806899
>>11806903
Why do modern designs seem like such a step back

>>11806879
Venus ballon colonists be like....

>>11806899

>this shitpost actually happened
what the fuck is this timeline

>>11806907
Nah, simply EXPAND FAIRING.

>>11806909
I agree I just want one that looks more.... futuristic I guess. This ones okay for a concept but it looks like the staypuft marshmellow man.
>>11806914
Absolutely crazy when you think about it

>>11806911
they might look bulky, but new suits are WAY better in terms of mobility and comfort

>>11806913
>using a walker when you could just bring your mobility scooter
bro

>>11806909
But working in a glorified tin can is going to take more time to accomplish a task. Possibly negating the benefit.
You're better off being in a proper vehicle with some manipulators.

>>11806879
cute.

>>11806922
>You're better off being in a proper vehicle with some manipulators.
Take the Ball pill

>>11806919
>accelerate slightly hard
>fly off into the void
i'll take the doctor octopus getup

>>11806917
The actual new NASA suit is already partially a hardsuit, in that the torso is one solid piece with a swiveling waist. The limbs of all space suits will probably remain soft until space suit construction gets down to non-insane prices, because in the end soft suits are easier to adjust in terms of size.
Once space suit manufacturing does grow larger though, it will be easier to build much sturdier, very-long lived hardsuits in a range of sizes, rather than soft suits which need refurbishment on the level of oldspace rockets to stay in operation.

>>11806922
Yes Anon, at last you finally see.
von Braun was always right, take the bottlepill.

>>11806899

take the CHAD SUIT pill

coomer grade skintight suits when?

>>11806937
Based. Just throw a hard shell over a Mechanical Counter-pressure Suit and you’ve got something good

>>11806937
MCP suits are some Buck Rodgers shit can’t wait

>>11806941
When they figure out how to get that titanium weave to work with joints or just do the sensible thing and use hard or semi-pressurized joint segments. It's a university research project though, so it will probably drag on for another ten years, or until they sell it to a company actually interested in rapid technological progress.

>>11806941

>>11806913
I would like to know more.
>>11806919
looks like it's for an asteroid where the surface gravity's milligees at best. Wheels won't provide much traction in that environment so using a bunch of legs to grab on to the asteroid makes sense. Although a jetpack would also work quite well too.
>>11806895
the suit can be pressurized to 1 atm, so there's no need for prebreathing to avoid getting the bends.
>>11806926
you can get direct haptic feedback with a suit. Although I must admit, balls have a lot of potential. You can completely side step the problem of bulky gloves if you use a haptically operated robotic hands.
>>11806947
>>11806941
>>11806955
a problem with mechanical counterpressure suits is that they tend to be uncomfortable for men.

>>11806941
>>11806955
honestly we need a suit that isn't fuckhuge

>backed by richest man in the world
>still gets BTFO by SpaceX
What went wrong?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIDytLL734A
Watching the starliner ISS mission from December because the other anon was talking about it. All the SJW muh womyn shit makes it that much sweeter that they got BTFO.

>>11806967
>>11806919
just put gas thrusters pointing down for traction bro, problem solved
or just have a REAL american sit in it

>>11806967
>he doesn't have a retractable cock
wtf?

>>11806970
Jeff Benis isn't allowed to humiliate Boing and Lockheeb too much or Amazon won't get any more DoD contracts.

>>11806967
I've always just said counterpressure suits should just use cups for the portions of the body the tension fiber can't easily compress. Just use some heat molded plastic that is customized to each user, the cup parts are cheap and easy to replace while the rest of the suit can squeeze them to your body once it's on. It's only 1 bar of pressure max, hell you don't even actually need that much, it could probably be as little as .5 bar and you'd not even feel the difference. The only part of the suit that needs full pressure at all is the helmet.

>>11806970
Excessive funding breeds institutional lethargy and laziness.

>>11806974
that absolute confident voice on takeoff
>the rise of starliner, and a new era in human spaceflight
as if dragon didn't exist and DM-1 hadn't already been done before it

>>11806899
Can we post non kino suits?

>>11806991
Is this just a model?
Am I blind, how the fuc does this seal?

>>11806903
What i want to know is why suits have if anything just gone downhill from here

>>11806991
>der coomex

>>11806995
Yeah i think its a test model to test movement and comfortability.

>>11806970
>>11806986
The craziest thing is Bezos is totally about speed and performance when it comes to Amazon, like in the early years his motto for Amazon was "get big fast" and there are constant horror stories of amazon workers being hounded all the time to quicken the pace every single day

why the FUCK did he do a complete 180 for Blue Origin and embrace the whole "slow is smooth and smooth is fast" philosophy? I mean the dude could be one of the most qualified people in the world when it comes to logistics and speed and getting shit done quickly, it's so bizarre he's letting BO coast at oldspace levels of development

the ONLY thing I can think of is they don't give a single fuck about market share or being competitive for another 20+ years because of infinite amazon bux and are just taking their time building infrastructure for decades down the line, but still it's disappointing so far

>>11806599
An illegal Guatemalan is prolly cheaper than a robot

>>11806990
>>11806974
Uhh guys how does 36:08 have DM2 in it? wasn't this streamed in 2019????

>>11807008
Good point... It’s like it’s just a hobby for him. Think about what he could do with someyhing like Starship. Amazon one day delivery with E2E rockets, sending people to the Moon, getting contracts with gateway/LEO (and not just a shitty “national team” lander)

>land on mars
>get greeted by robot dogs
It's going to be a mix of creepy and cool.

Any good literature (preferably books) that outline how colonization of other planets would be possible?

>>11806990
Its just so perfectly oldspace.

>>11807016
looks like training footage from inside the dragon mockup they made

>>11807008
I'm not convinced that Bezos has the passion for space, I think it's just another interesting diversion that he'll just chuck some money at because he can chuck money at anything he's interested in to make it real. If I had even a quarter as much money as he does and I got to start my own space agency ten years ago, I swear on my life we'd already be assembling giant stations in LEO.
This is why in spite of having only a fraction the funding to spend on SpaceX, Elon has already created two generations of rocket (Falcon 9 and Heavy) and Starship will probably at least have flown it's maiden test flight before New Glenn even hits the pad. Because Elon has passion for space exploration while Bezos has passion for getting consoomers more shit to consoom at the fastest rate possible.

>>11807033
I love that Elon is a shitty public speaker who just loved what he does. If he were some douche Steve Jobs type guy I would feel like a normie for liking him

>>11807033
See the thing is the dude has been crazy about space since high school, his high school graduation speech was all about colonizing space and he's said on multiple occasions Amazon isn't *nearly* as important to him as Blue Origin, so that's the frustrating thing.

He's been talking about it for years, it SEEMS like his passion project but the results just aren't there yet

>>11807057
>he's said on multiple occasions Amazon isn't *nearly* as important to him as Blue Origin, so that's the frustrating thing.
That's what he SAYS, but Amazon is where he spends his time.

>>11807057
Breh

>>11806888

>>11807073
Amazon is where he spensd 100% of his business time. Blue Origin is run entirely by team of others with Bezos only giving money every year with very little oversight.

>>11807092
Exactly. That's not how to raise a goldfish, let alone a rocket company.

>>11806791
>>11806796
Yes, that was on the MEV or whatever the shit it was called during Constellation. This was my first exposure to that vehicle:
https://youtu.be/3nxpN4oCk7I?t=1051
Somehow I don't think it gets that much air.

>>11806974
They need to fuck off about the Rosie the riveter shit. Its embarrassing

>>11806814
Oh boy I get to post it again

>>11807133
>17 meter column of piss
Someone get /r9k/ on the phone.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIWyFX0uxoc
12 HOURS BOYS ARE YOU FUCKING EXCITED!!!!!

>>11807164
oh goddammit its just a briefing

>>11807133
Do you have any idea how bad old piss smells?

>>11807172
it smells good bro

Anyone know why the Boston dynamics robot is in Boca?

>>11807172
Slightly better than an apollo command module on return?

>>11807222
Perhaps Elon was bored and figured Boca could use a mascot
https://www.wired.com/story/you-can-now-buy-spot-the-robot-dog/

>>11807232
Are they safe? Are we safe?

>>11806906
;_;
We sill never get this aesthetic back

>>11806955
Lol she soiled herself there's clearly pee stains and she's trying desperately to keep calm and avoid people noticing it

>>11807057
Anyone can talk

>>11807284
It looks sloppy and bad, so no harm, no foul.

>>11807222
Bomb disposal.

>>11807172
I know exactly how it smells. Ever notice it forms crystals over time?

>>11807296
for you maybe

>>11807316
Hardware nostalgia has a tendency to get in the way of building better machines.

>>11807133
>>11807134
>>11807172
Best /sci/ design ever

>>11806893
because they a functional and not made for looks. the mars surface suits look autistically bad but they will work

I want the soviet lunar colonization timeline so bad

>>11807172
Think of the unique biosphere!

>>11807016
>>11807025
Yeah, training footage. Not like they haven't been training for that mission for years or anything.

>>11807347
>having to do an EVA to transfer the cosmonaut and the moon rocks from the lander to the return module
Oof

>>11807357
that's soviet engineering for you

100MW MPD thrusters when?

>>11806814
you realize the NSF thread popped up immediately AFTER we had that conversation that ended in stale briny pisslocks, right

>>11807232
70% a PR stunt, 25% a sign of both parties getting cozy to each other and 5% actual business transaction.

People like Spot, People also generally like SpaceX, make it a crossover and everyone is happier for it.

>Boston dynamics wants to shout aloud to the world that Spot is real & ready for real deployment & jobs. Patrolling boca is an advertisement for spot.
>For spaceX spot is just another in a long list of pr stunts to win over the public's hearts. Most people who still hold out a disgruntlement for elon's wild rides probably don't also have any particular malice towards spot.
>Boston dynamics & OpenAI be creaming themselves for that sweet, sweet intermixing of hardware & software development teams.

>>11807392
No dude, waterlocks have ben discussed on NSF for some time now. I was the one who started posting about them in these threads not too long ago.

>>11807390
What is creating and containing plasma?

>>11807431
why contain it

>>11807435
It would be extremely painful

>>11807422
I created the pisslock image on July 24th 2019 in response to an anon posting about water airlocks in every thread, and posted it the same day.

>>11807447
for you(r cathode)

>>11807422
they may have some historical waterlock conversations from 2007 or something but there's one from last July that was made by a shitposter from here

>>11806843
Jem-in-ni

Why does everyone overemphasize the role canada contributed to space exploration? All they've done is made a bendy straw for the ISS and they get a raging boner bragging about it. Fuck Canada

>>11807457
i have never honestly seen canada and space in the same sentence until this post

>>11807315
The main clogger of urinal p-traps is piss crystals.

>>11807457
they made a bunch of bendy straws, one for the ISS and a set for the shuttles
they're really really good too

>>11807461
>>11807315
>he's never eaten one of the crystals
you're missing out bros

How does 0g affect the growth of piss crystals?

>>11807457
>Why does everyone overemphasize the role canada contributed to space exploration?
If we don't pretend that Canada, JAXA, and ESA are big boy space programs then the US, Russia, and China are the only three to ever matter. Of those, the chinks will steal everything not welded to the hull and are thus banned from the ISS, and the Russian program is in steep decline. It's basically just globalist cope to avoid admitting that America stands alone in space dominance.

>>11806579
Oh god it makes sense, a modified spot would be an ideal scout robot on mars

>>11807479
It's not 0g on Mars.
My piss airlock will be fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0fnp-O1iGs
bros i want to shitpost in 0g too

what are they doing up there?

>>11807679
jacking off

>>11807679
Hanging out in Dragon cause it has that new spaceship smell

>>11807679
There's an EVA planned so I think they're getting some time outside.

>>11807494
This

>>11807679
Boring science experiments with every 10 minutes being planned for them

So when will SN5 be here?

>>11807722
The next road closure scheduled by Cameron County is on June 19th, and the closure window is consistent with a tank test. Pass or fail, whatever happens next depends on where SpaceX's priorities lie. They may consider it more important to iron out the kinks in 304L tanks than test a likely-to-be-deprecated 301 hull.

>>11807019
The Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson

>>11806967
>a problem with mechanical counterpressure suits is that they tend to be uncomfortable for men.
>Not letting your dick hang free at zero atmosphere so it's 3 times bigger

>>11807357
You know Apollo had to EVA during the return trip to transfer some things from the service module?

>>11807728
Sn5 and sn6 are meant to hop not meant to pressure test

>>11807732
There's no point in attempting to hop if they don't know if the tanks will hold at the operational head pressure that Raptor needs.

>just found out about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distant_retrograde_orbit
It's like geosynchronous orbit for the Moon, only 2-3 times the distance. Good place for some types of satellites? I read that they were considering putting Gateway in the orbit instead of HALO.

>>11807732
With this type of rapid development, they can change their minds in an instant.

New Long March 2 launch:
https://www.weibo.com/5616492130/J73WzsB1x?from=page_1005055616492130_profile&wvr=6&mod=weibotime&type=comment

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1170983609492103168?lang=en pretty old but this is what elon said is after mars

Pretty cool

UK-US agreement to allow American rockets to be launched from British soil https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53079844

It seems to be aimed at Virgin Orbit wanting to operate out of Spaceport Cornwall.

>>11807831
Rocketlabs probably wouldn't say no either.

>>11806911
because they are less complex, more comfortable and more maneuverable, while being more reliable

>>11807837
Its like waxing poetic over the aesthetics of a diving bell. Yeah, they have a distinctive look, but that doesn't change the fact that they sucked.

>>11807831
which won't happen soon, if ever
Going all in on Sutherland Spaceport would be a better bet
>luv me peroxide rockets
>'ate virgin de-orbit
>lol virgin

I saw the ISS, and about a minute behind it, the Crew Dragon on the way to rendezvous a few weeks back. I saw it from southern wisconsin.


Will there at any point be a window to see Perseverance once its up?

>>11807806
weibo is fucking cancer and trying to make me log in
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nESxV_Pv_wA

>>11807286
I’d drink it up

>>11807902
>SRB shit
>Cut shortly after launch
That fucker went fireworks, didn't it?

How much delta/v to get from Kerbin to Earth ???

>>11807902
>that orange smoke
what kind of cancer are they using for ignitions

>>11807931
N2O4 / UDMH

>>11807902
imagine the smell

>>11807936
>Not using subcooled N2O/Prop pseudohypergolic
BAKA SENPAI

Launching small rockets isn't enough. We need big rockets. Are any small launchers looking at scaling up?

>>11808000
Small launchers have a niche that isn't going to be taken out from under them if Starship, or a similar vehicle architecture, succeeds.

>>11808003
Not really, because people aren't going to wait until 6 billion different small sats are bunched together and do a rideshare. People will always need shit launched now.

>>11808006
Whoops, forgive my misunderstanding. I'm half dead in the heat here.

>>11808006
> There won't be a starlink lauch every week...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRm7oRCTkjE
does anyone know what the JPL robot in picrelated is?
>please be ultra low cost rover
>please be ultra low cost rover

>>11808011
Yeah, that's very nice for people who happen to assemble their shit in or around wherever they end up launching Starship from, if it ever launches.

>>11808003
The niche of small launchers is the ability to put something in your desired orbit for cheap and on time, since rideshare limits you to the plane and readiness of the host payload. If SpaceX makes an orbital tug for Starship (or maybe if they just exchange some payload for fuel, I don't know how much dV they could get out of that), they can definitely start to take over that market, at least the part of it that is commercially available.

>>11808013
>$74,500.00
the future is now, but I'm too poor to participate ):

>>11808017
Not even talking about Starship, even just with Falcon 9... Just mail your smallsat in bro

>>11808013
>ulta low cost
The NASA logo adds $300m to the pricetag, let SpaceX do it over

>>11808017
What are you trying to communicate here

>>11808019
The choice is between your perfect unique snowflake orbit/launch schedule and an expensive launch and a vanilla orbit, a week sooner or later and dirt cheap launch. If you are building small sats, you'll probably work around the suboptimal orbit and save on the launch.

>>11808019
>The niche of small launchers is the ability to put something in your desired orbit for cheap and on time, since rideshare limits you to the plane and readiness of the host payload.
*Momentus has entered the chat*

>>11808013
>Boston Dynamics
>Rover

>>11808037
Smallsats don't have advanced capability to cope with suboptimal orbits, which is why SpaceX hasn't already completely cornered the market despite having very low rideshare prices. If they were to add capability to compensate for that, they would run the table.

>>11808040
>literally anyone else
>free-standing robotics in general

>>11808042
What I meant was, unless you need polar, there has to be a starlink plane that is close enough to your optimal for you to work with

Any discussion about the fact DARPA is going for NTRs finally?

>>11808090
NTR is a thinking man's fetish, so DARPA wants some of that.

>>11808068
All Starlink launches are the same. They use their hall thrusters to get their desired orbits. Granted, other smallsats can do that, but compensating for the ones that don't or need reserve capability for some other maneuver or etc. is the difference between having a market and having the whole market.

>>11808103
How long does it actually take to do that? My understanding is that ion engines have horrible TWR

>>11808109
One or two months it seems like going by performance so far. Not terrible.

>>11808103
Yeah, I was thinking about the end state, with orbits ranging from 80 to 42 degrees.

>>11807033
>I'm not convinced that Bezos has the passion for space,
Bezos was a rocket nerd in highschool it is suprising that BO is moving so freaking slow

>>11808109
They have horrible thrust to weight, but unparalleled specific impulse, so they save weight in the end given the size of their maneuvering budget, at the cost of taking a lot longer.

>>11808214
The superior specific impulse of ion engines is much worse in practice than it looks on paper. Due to how long their burns take, they can’t exploit the Oberth effect and thus maneuvers can be assumed to be 1.5 times as costly.

>>11808233
Essentially a non-issue for station keeping, though.

>>11807457
What else have they ever done for us?

>>11808272
Have there been any considerations of using multiple propulsion systems in one craft? I’ve often considered the idea of using an NTR or chemical thruster for the initial burn and then burning electrical thrusters while in deep space to accelerate even faster and make adjustments

>>11808275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

This, I suppose.

>>11808281
I'm sure there has been, but I'm not well versed in the nuances of different propulsion schemas.

>>11808283
They should make more music videos on the ISS.

real mars hours

>>11808322
They could do with less autotune.

>>11808330
Starship clone?

>>11808330
But it's so small.

>>11808281
Anything big enough to be carrying a decent launch stage is going to take so long to burn with electrical thrusters that isn't not worth it, if you just want to get somewhere slow chem or NTR will do the job without extras

>>11808281
Each extra propulsion system adds more complexity to your craft, each one that isn't immediately being used for propulsion is dead weight that every other stage has to work that much harder to lift into space. Every extra tank of propellant you carry for your different engines is less mass that can be dedicated to everything else. Every chemical engine on your final stage vehicle is going to become dead weight once it exhausts it's limited propellant supply. Your other high-ISP engines are then going to waste time, propellant and power lugging them to your destination.
Best to keep your final stage vehicle's engines homogeneous, either that or assemble a larger craft in orbit with a dedicated propulsion module.
>>11808348
Nah, it looks a lot more like VTOL shuttle, besides the idea of propulsive landing wasn't invented by SpaceX, it's the logical route to take with rocketry once you have technology sufficient to support it.

>>11808330
Looks like Surviving Mars concept art

>>11808369
VTOL shuttle with stainless steel?

Are there any satellite missions that nasa simply has given up on but they are in a functional state?
Dawn orbiter has little info about it and says the last communication was 2018, but it should still have power and be able to survey still.

>>11808400
She ran out of hydrazine (KSP monopropellant) which she needs to maintain attitude, which she needs to be able to do to get solar power and establish communications with Earth, so she’s floating but dead in the water

>>11808384
Oh nah I meant propulsive landing is the logical route for rocketry as a whole.

>>11808417
It was a logical router after SpaceX proved it was doable. Before that, it was an almost impossible thing.

>>11808428
Right, thus "once you have the technology sufficient to support it."

>>11808283
based leaf

Is it just me or is there some sort of party going on on the starship launch mount? Pic from labpadre stream

>>11808408

>>11806556
noo, Elon can't do bad!!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp

>>11808469
god I hate this reddit faggot

>>11808330
>Runs on hydrolox
Nothing personnel kid

mfw Starship fucks up the skydiving maneuver and kills hundreds of people on SPadre Island.

>>11808485
Don’t see any “bad” there.

>>11808499
why is one eye hazel and the other brown

>>11808499
Him and Felix's teeth make me hate HD video.

>>11808486
show me on this doll where the reddit touched you

>>11808485
I see a lot of allegations and jack shit evidence on either side. Not a surprise at all coming from Shitberg.

>>11808501
of course you don't, until something like this happens to you:
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/15/ebay-employees-arrested-u-s-attorney-andrew-lelling-cyberstalking/

>>11808438
Imagine the state of spaceflight if spacex hadn't invested in the R&D for propulsive landings. you'd still see people claim that it's impossible.

we need some oldspace hate material in here

>>11808485
Low quality hit piece.
Dude should go leak more production info from his next company and see what happens there.
Happily collects the check for handing over secrets to the press, complains when he gets caught and fired.
What a fucking retard.
How is he even a whistleblower when none of it turned out true?

>>11808504
Cause he is a nigger

>>11808539
That’s pretty funny lol

Elon could drop a rocket on an orphanage for all I care.

>>11806556
oh no, the """american""" space program was filled with canadian engineers!!
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200615-the-record-breaking-jet-which-still-haunts-a-country

>>11808546
I wish he would drop it on you. I don't like sociopaths.

>>11808558
and I don't like you

>>11808558
Good for you my dude no one cares tho

>>11808504
Heterochromia.

>>11808566
t.homo

>>11808543
>How is he even a whistleblower when none of it turned out true?
Because the same vested interests are paying the "whistleblowers" and the people writing the articles

>>11808565
Tupac does.

>>11806556
>>11808485
NOOO A WHISTLEBLOWER HURT OUR FEELINGS AND MADE US LOSE A LOT OF MONEY!!1!
https://www.theregister.com/2019/08/30/tesla_whistleblower_costs/

>>11808558
>>11808562
I don't like you either.

Elon fanboys are on full send this afternoon it seems

let's talk about spaceflight. dedicated interplanetary starships

>>11808281
Yes there have. Pic related would’ve used BiModal NTR, and using the power generated with that, would have also powered an Electric Propulsion system.

The vehicle would’ve fired its NTR to escape or enter orbit around bodies, and the NEP to speed up and slow down in interplanetary space. Pretty cool concept. It would be able to complete a round trip to mars in 365 days.

>>11808627
>try to stir up some shit apropos of nothing at all
>fail
>cry

>>11808627
The ITS definitely captured the imagination when it was first revealed. Kinda crazy how much it's shape changed over time.

>>11808627
>My meme failed

Spaceflight matters; nothing else; and Elon does that well. If he shot babies, I wouldn’t care.

>>11806782
lol printfags on suicide watch

>>11808638
This, fuck anon.

>>11808645
I'm pretty excited to see what they do with the starship internals. supposedly the mars variant is required by NASA to have a solar storm shelter which will be interesting to see

Someone in the last thread suggested that NASA might opt to use starship as the mars ferry on the first missions and use the orion architecture to land. However by the time they get to mars starship would likely be proven so who knows

>>11808674
>supposedly the mars variant is required by NASA to have a solar storm shelter which will be interesting to see

Only ones used by NASA, so, like one.

>>11808674
There are no NASA requirements on any variant but Lunar SS. The storm shelter is just a practical consideration. You don't want to roast the crew because of a bad throw of the dice.

>>11808674
>I'm pretty excited to see what they do with the starship internals.
Maybe something festive looking rather than the commie-like bare bones look of the ISS. Something full on tacky and comfy.

>>11808676
Well, obviously NASA will want their own official mars program to do a few 'science' landings, which means expensive camping trips with no real follow up. this *could mean developing their own landers rather than using starship to do it. it would be interesting to see what they might do with a dedicated mars-earth SS that isn't meant to ever go down to the surface at all

>>11808684
Bright pink and fluffy

>>11808330
It’s the DC-X and Starship’s drunken lovechild

>>11808684
I wouldn't expect anything but silicon valley minimalism. Hopefully with a slightly more rugged touch ala Cybertruck

>>11808684
Gild everything like it was Trump fuckin' tower on the inside, make your rich passengers feel like they're taking a luxury cruise.

>>11808674
Even if it never landed, starship would make a great Mars ferry.

>4Km/s for TMI Manuever
>Aerocapture into LMO
>3 Km/s TEI burn
>Aerocapture into LEO
>Vehicle is fully reusable
>Requires no change in original design, has enough delta-v to support this mission
>No need for NTR/Zero BoilOff/ Anything Nuclear Ever

Shit would be kino.

>SLS carries Mars Ascent Vehicle into LEO
>Expendable Starship rendezvous with the vehicle, is refueled
>Second SLS carries Mars Habitat into LEO
>Another expendable starship launches, docks with the lander and refuels
>At Mars launch window, both vehicles burn for Mars
>Starship provides midcourse corrections
>At Mars, Starships detach and fly off into space
>Hab aerocaptures into LMO, MAV lands on Martian surface and starts making fuel using ISRU
>Back at Earth, a “regular” starship launches into LEO and is refueled by tankers
>Orion launches too, and carries a crew to the vehicle.
>Orion departs and re enters
>Full Starship buena to mars, aerocaptures after eight months into LMO
>Crew transfers to hab, lands, spends 500 days on the surface
>When done, the crew boards to MAV and launches into LMO. They dock with the Full Starship
>Full Starship burns back to Earth with all its crew onboard
>At Earth, Full Starship aerocaptures into LEO.
>Commercial vehicle launches into LEO, takes crew back to Earths Surface

>>11808684
It'll be full of Ikea furniture because style is dead.

>>11808691
> it would be interesting to see what they might do with a dedicated mars-earth SS that isn't meant to ever go down to the surface at all
There's not a ton of leeway on the design in this mode, still needs the heat shield to aerocapture even if it's not landing, still needs the engines to launch.

>>11807831
>Spaceport Cornwall
doesn't have quite the same ring to it as the kennedy space centre

>>11808699
you can bet that tourist ships are going to have a minimalist sci fi aesthetic. they'll be able to afford it since it'll be millions of dollars per ticket for the lunar flyby trip

>>11808684
Model it like Breezehome in Whiterun with fur bunks
Mars would be a cold taiga climate to fit

>>11808705
>Energia + Buran
>Three engine Energia core
>No jet engines on Buran
>NASA worm logo
>Imperial units
All of my what.

femboy hooters

(posting this to trigger that one sensitive anon)

>>11808733
Why would that trigger anyone?

>>11808705
a mission profile like this is more likely than some think. elon isn't going to be lobbing cargo at mars for free except perhaps on demonstration missions ahead of manned flights, and NASA is going to want to use Orion / SLS for their first crewed expeditions. it'd be expensive but kino as fuck

>>11808733
>Not Tomboy Martian Vanguard gf
Shit taste, desu

>>11808736
>tomboy
>has no muscles any more because of 0.4g

All of the real tomboys will be in the rotating GAINS station getting fucking jacked in 1.5G.

>>11808705
Elon would never do that. That would completely go against the point of starship.

>>11808742
>Spend all day working out because not much else on artificial station
>Become space dwarf manlets w/ napoleon complex
>Be Martian; spend all day exploring and doing science because new planet
>Flirt with tomboy from the vanguard bureau, got a date at the low g gym for a game of 3D volley ball
>Single gene tweaks mean bone density and muscle mass the same as t*rrans while being 200 cm tall space elves
>Gainzstationers still trying to troll over lascom extranet
>Laugh and do other shit

Why is it taking so long to carry people?

needs an /sfg/ version

>>11808781
Really though, Mars will be such a great place for genetic engineering

>genetically engineered space corn that survives with shitty Martian light and shitty Martian soil
>genetically engineered trees and shit that grow to full size in a couple of months so you can have pretty looking trees in the enclosures
>genetically engineered humans that don't go blind from raw Martian UV light or get cancer from Martian radiation

>>11808790
yamero...

>>11808796
Plus good old natural selection would iron out other maladaptive traits

>>11808804
i don't think you understand the scale at which natural selection works. it takes many thousands of generations for things like that to happen at minimum. it's genetic engineering or nothing

>>11808808
Check out dog breeds... People underestimate the power of selective breeding

>>11807931
>>11807936
>his space program doesn't drop hypergolics on villagers
ngmi

>>11808827
Breath deep villagers!

Where my Tritonian bro’s at?

>>11808790
GOD
DAMMIT

>>11808790
>Flirting with when fixing rovers
>Drilling cores for areological analysis
>”Saving heat” during expedition down time
>Rappeling down cliffs and lava tube mouths
>Finding highest rocky outcrop and holding her up like Simba with circle of life plays on shortwave comms radio, much to her shagrin
>Playing game of 3D volleyball at hive city gym
>Watching 3D projected movie at theature
>Picking fights with gainzstation manlets

>>11808849
Based

Retrograd orbit gang rise up.

Countdown to Mars talk is on.

>>11808790
Based. Tomboys are the kino choice.

not going to post the image to avoid derailing the thread, but:
https://i.4cdn.org/tv/1592417561665.png
wtf bros

>>11808476
looks like a god damn town meeting

>recording the landing
Based. Fuck "scientists" who hate any kind of public media.

>>11807744
They know the head pressure because it is the same as SN4

>Hello its me tim dodd the everyday astronaut

>>11808899
How does an autistic rocketman get this much pussy.
It can't just be the money because he's not that rich.

>>11808931
By showing his big rocket to them

>>11808943
>"hey babe, wanna see a BFR?"

>>11808040
What a fucking chad

>>11808485
Thats not bad to me

>>11808540
God i fucking hate oldspace.

>>11808540
Reminder that Shelby fought against CCrew having its full budget, and then when it fell behind he then used that as a reason to pull even more funding. Presumably to funnel more into SLS.

>>11808627
>Elon fanboys
He's are only chance to see boots on mars in our lifetime anon. Show me another company of government agency that is as close to achieving that goal.

>ywn build a 1.5 km tower city on mars just to get in a dick-waving contest with the arabian oil shakes

>>11808966
Which one of us is gonna doit

>>11808981
say the n word?

>>11808982
Depots

>>11808969
I was going to make a pseudo-oldpsace shill post about how SpaceX isn't going to make it to Mars while "proven" agencies will do while never directly explaining why, but I want to save my brain cells for later.

>>11808981
>>11808982
>>11808986
You all might be too weak to say it, BUT I WILL!
I'M GONNA SAY THE N WORD!
NATIONALIZE

So can Falcon Heavy can get us to the moon, right? I was dumb to get into an argument with an old space Twitter tranny and I need backup

>>11808995
go and stay go

>>11808986
sounds pretty unamerican, a bit french even. should be nationalized.

>>11808995
on a conceptual level if you're willing to rendezvous in space then multiple Falcon Heavy launches will get you to the moon with enough mass to do something
I'm not sure if there's a CSM for the job in reality

>>11809000
I rarely use Twitter other for a source of information and to occasionally dab on old spacers please do not bully

>>11808995
>So can Falcon Heavy can get us to the moon, right?
Yes, but not directly like the Saturn V did. Any lunar mission using the Falcon Heavy would have to use multiple launches to assemble the necessary vehicles. While this hasn't been done before, something like it was considered when Jim Bridenstine proposed carrying out EM-1 on a Falcon Heavy so NASA felt that it was possible.

>>11808931
>>11808943

>>11809016
lmao

>>11809016
Absolute fucking chad.
The only way this could be better if he legit never fucked her.

>>11808899
>>11808931
He's a billionaire and one of the biggest names in the country, its definitely a pussy slaying combo

>>11809016
If I had my own fucking rocket, I'd show them as well. Who the fuck wouldn't be impressed by rockets? All Jonny Depp did was act some shit in movies.

>>11809009
Yeah, that's essentially what I thought. I just don't understand why people think it is unpossible to use anything but the SLS.

>>11809031
>Who the fuck wouldn't be impressed by rockets?
women don't care about space ) :

>>11808995
Yes, in fact from a mass standpoint the Falcon Heavy could put the entire Apollo mission into LEO and still have 20,000 pounds of payload capacity left over. It's maximum payload rating currently is 140,000 pounds or around 63-64 tons.
The Apollo mission consisting of the CSM+LM weighed less than 120,000 pounds. In reality it's very likely you'd assemble the vehicle in orbit in two pieces, the LM would be sent up first and placed into an ideal position after which the crewed CSM would be sent up to dock with it and then propel the entire vehicle to the moon.
You'd have to design some new vehicles obviously, presumably a version of Crew Dragon with expanded life support systems and a CSM bus to shove it to the Moon, as well as an LM to actually land on the moon, the SuperDraco would probably give you nearly the same ISP as the CSM and LM's propulsion systems if you added vacuum optimized bells to them.

It's not disputable at all though that Falcon Heavy could hoist an Apollo style mission with it's current capabilities, the fact that you'd do it in two steps just to avoid having a huge fairing holding all three components is completely irrelevant.

>>11809035
Apparently bunch of pop stars/supermodels are impressed by it.

>>11809033
>I just don't understand why people think it is unpossible to use anything but the SLS.
SLS has been in the public eye for longer than SpaceX. Also some people hate Elon and extend that out to his companies.

>>11809016
Who is this riley

>>11809037
They're impressed by conspicuous spending because they're vapid, and impressed by high technology because creating it is a sign of ambition and strength of character.

>>11809040
talulah riley, a british actress

>https://youtu.be/THCm1OZyALI
Are you guys not watching this?

>>11808992
Shut up about the N word old fool or I'l GIVE YOU THE D!

good work moderation team, fuck /tv/

>A S
just one letter off

>>11808995
>So can Falcon Heavy can get us to the moon, right?
Yes. There are already draft plans to use an adapter to put Orion+ICPS on it.

>>11809077
Pardon us if we're not over the moon over Yet Another Fucking Mars Rover.

>>11809088
It has experiments that wull absolutely be used in the mars colony.

>>11809091
Send two fucking astronauts with a shovel between them and the first time they stick the shovel into the dirt they'll have done more science than all those gay rovers can do in 17 years combined.

>>11809096
you keep saying this, but it's not really true. it's still much cheaper to send rovers

>>11809099
>but it's not really true
Oh really.
>it's still much cheaper to send rovers
No, it isn't.

>>11809096
>Then those two astronauts would do every major scientific research goal on Mars in a short span leaving little for future work. A more sustainable plan is to do these research goals in piecemeal using cheaper and safer rovers. Doing it by manned missions is not only dangerous but would cause a premature end in Martian plans. Don't believe me? That's what happened on the moon after Apollo. NASA stopped sending probes to explore the lunar surface once the Apollo astronauts uncovered all there is to do.
Yes, I have heard someone use this argument unironically.

>>11809104
Rovers are nothing but an excuse to sit home, do nothing and drag out manned missions to a vague "maybe" 10+ years from now. Have you seen how vague the plans are for Mars? "Maybe a manned swing by sometime in the 2030s".
That's what you gay rovers create.

>>11809103
it is. manned missions are insanely expensive compared to robotic exploration. you can't refute this

>>11809109
You forget one thing. Robotic exploration does nothing but WASTE FUCKING ENORMOUS amounts of time. While those fucking probes and rovers are out sending back tiny little bits of fucking nothing, the entire staff is sitting there cashing paychecks year in year out.
Nothing gets done except planning for the next fucking rover or probe with a slightly different coat of paint and a slightly better drill, 10 years later down the line.

>>11809103
>>11809109
It is certainly more expensive, but with Elon's memeship becoming more and more of a reality each day I think we are approaching a future where human spaceflight will be just a cheap as launching a rover (Besides logistics like food, supplies, living habitats, etc. This intrinsically adds costs but Elon wants to do it so I think he will be funding all these launches with money from Starlink and stuff...)

>>11809077
I'm glad someone else was watching. Was hoping they'd answer my question about Ingenuity

>>11809116
Fuck you, nigger, I'll run into your shins.

>>11809096
Although i agree, this step is important to our goal because it is happening now. The moxie experiment will be crucial for martian life support systems.

>>11809133
>Solar Panels
Good luck, I live in a city with 280+ days of rainfall a year.

>>11809139
You've fucking done it now. You'd better lock yourself inside your house the 85 days a year that the sun comes out, or you can consider your shins slightly bruised.

>>11809150
The remaining days are mostly overcast. I'll be fine.

>>11809116
and TIME IS MONEY

>>11809077
I had completely forgotten about this. At least some of my shitposts are going to Mars.