/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11803068
based gemini op

>>11803068
How many fucking passengers is that and for what purpose?

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_Stuff_(TV_series)

How much of a shit circus will this be. Cast it, I'm not even going to look at the cast list

Hard mode, no
>Idris Elba
>Idris Elba
>Idris Elba
>Idris Elba
or
>Idris Elba

Gemini >> Apollo

Lockheed has the potential to secede from oldspace. They should buy out Boeing from ULA and focus on reusability. I really like their design philosophy and commitment to success, and they work well on budgets and timelines.

>>11803079
>How many fucking passengers
Up to 12.

>for what purpose?
A resupply and crew transfer spacecraft for the Apollo Applications Program Orbital Workshop. That workshop would later become Skylab.

http://www.astronautix.com/b/biggemini.html

>>11803081
Idris is peak normiecasting, people want him in every role lmao

>>11803068
>Hold on bro let me just put cryo pressure tanks in between your habitation modules
How?

>>11803081
I mean it's pretty obvious if you just think about it.
Idris Elba.

>>11803081
Peter Sellers as Wernher von Braun.

>>11803095
By having a crawl tunnel through the collection of propellant tanks.

>>11803086
Would Skylab have space for a dozen men? I know it was big but still that sounds crowded. Unless you started bolting a bunch of Skylabs to a central hub section or something, they could've been great.

>spend 30 mins trying to figure out why the fuck resonant orbiter calculator mod for setting up my comsat constellations isn't working
>finally realize I just forgot to actually click the apply button in CKAN after I selected it for installation
godammit

>>11803108
>ywn crawl through tubes in space like a kid in Discovery Zone
man

metallic hydrogen rockets when?

>>11803104
Based strangelove poster. Sellers would also do as all the other actors.

>>11803119
never ever
Not even if metastability turns out to not be a meme, which it is

slush hydrogen rockets when?

fusion rockets WHEN?

Model rockets when?

>>11803083
Is this a concept based off of >>11802866

ROCKETS WHEN???

>>11803083
>>11803138
god I would fucking coom if lockheed lander ever gets built, perfect US solar hegemony aesthetics right there

nuclear parachutes in SPACE when?

>>11803146
We got magsails under development that require less explosions

So starship is definitely going to be the king of this decade but is the government doing a bait and switch and gonna hit us with a nuke vessel while we are focusing on SLS?

>>11803152
They'd sooner hit us with a nuke.

Name a better probe
Protip: You can't

>>11803152
Unlikely, even the smallest proposed Orion ships are quite large, if one was being built it would require a substantial construction facility.

>>11803083
Gorgeous.

>>11803069
Lockheed is banned from buying out Boeing because that would create a monopoly on military aircraft unless Northrop-Grumman figures out stealth jets.

>>11803149
Take the plasma magnet sail pill /sfg/. We interstellar civilization now.
>>11801868

>>11803108
>>11803117
TUUUUUUBES

>>11803180
How do we build a prototype? This seems like the thing a bunch of guys with a garage can build as a test rig

>>11803189
One was already built
https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2017/12/29/the-plasma-magnet-drive-a-simple-cheap-drive-for-the-solar-system-and-beyond/
>Developed by John Slough and others [5, 6], the plasma magnet drive has been validated by experimental results in a vacuum chamber and was a NIAC phase 1 project in the mid-2000s [6]. The drive works by initially creating a rotating magnetic field that in turns traps and entrains the charged solar wind to create a large diameter ring current, inducing a large scale magnetosphere. The drive coils of the reference design are small, about 10 centimeters in diameter. With 10 kW of electric power, the magnetosphere expands to about 30 kilometers in diameter at 1 AU, with enough magnetic force to deflect the solar wind pressure of about 1 nPa (1 nN/m2) which produces a thrust in the direction of the wind of about 1 newton (1N). Thrust is transmitted to the device by the magnetic fields, just as with the coupling of rotation in an electric motor (figure 2)

>>11803189
>How do we build a prototype?
It's already been lab tested by NASA. We need Elon-chan to provide cheap access to orbits beyond Earth's magnetosphere so someone can make a test satellite. 4ASS could then send Zephram Frograne to boldly go where no frog has gone before.

>>11803199
>by 2035 access to space will be so cheap 4ASS can easily fund deep space probes with random anons crowd funding.
>they'll send Pepe Gagarin, a metric ton of dragon dildos, and broadcast The Greatest Story Never Told through radio transmissions on a probe to Uranus
>ayys will form opinions on our species based upon this first contact.

>>11803213
If 4ASS ever has access to plasma sails I'm moving sunward

>>11803193
I can't be bothered to read stuff now, but. So it comes with built in protection against solar wind and cosmic rays?

why does everyone except rocket lab paint their rockets white

>>11803213
Good.

>>11803171
>unless Northrop-Grumman figures out stealth jets

>>11803225
Black rockets tend to overheat. The original Saturn V test vehicle had a liiiiittle more black on the first stage but they kept getting overheat readings so they had to paint it more white

>>11803221
Only Venus and Mercury colonies will be safe from shitposters
>>11803222
Yes the magnetic field can protect the crew.
>The magnetosphere generated by the engine makes a good radiation shield for the charged particles of the solar wind. It should prove to be a good solution for the solar wind, solar flares and even coronal mass ejections (CME). This device could, therefore, be used for human flight to reduce radiation effects.

>>11803213
>first private mission into a gas giant
>4ASS PROBES URANUS
Ah yes, a historic headline no teacher will be able to censor. Perfect.

>>11803081
Edris Ilba

>>11803231
Oh, I forgot they did the B-2. Never mind then. Fuck Boing!.

>>11803171
Don’t they build the B2 and the upcoming B21? Fuck it, let Lockheed make their own launch company. Who cares about monopolies, SpaceX might possibly have the largest launch monopoly of all time if no one gears up to compete
Imagine the DoD choosing a company that would cost them $200 mil when Elon could do it for $2 mil, all because
>ummmm well we can’t just use one company hurr durr
Lockheed is awesome and they need to innovate

>>11803221
>>11803199
This is such a forced meme

>>11803231
I just can't get over how beautiful that thing is

>>11803193
Hell, we could build a small satellite rocket to fling the SOB out into interplanetary space with an autophage rocket and a cheap N20/Prop second stage
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/self-eating-rocket-engine/

I don't even like /pol/ but imagine the shit they could stir up with a private satellite

>>11803263
>Get /pol/ shekels for space program
>Build cheap swastika satellite with laser weapon that would microwave Isreal
>Solar oven 1
>Take cash and build actual spaceship

>>11803268
laser spins away from Earth and provides beamed power to deep space missions

>>11803235
I doubt its going to protect the crew that much, certainly a CME will cut right through that shit. Very promising still though.

>>11803268
>4ASS crowdfunds solar power satellite system
>/g/ and /pol/ crossboarders build in a backdoor and use it to redirect the beam and glass Israel

>>11803263
>A swastika satellite that does nothing but broadcast Hitler speeches on every possible frequency

>>11803259
Let's make the payload a M2A1 so the ayys can reverse engineer it

>the /pol/ larpers are here

>>11803068
>>11803162
Who /rover/ here?
Post rovers.
Discuss best rovers.
Post photos and findings taken by rovers.
Talk about what you would do if you had a robot rover buddy (we would solve crime).

>>11803283
148.8 MHz

>>11803259
How small is small, here? Half the size of an Electron? A quarter?

>>11803288
>sojourner
i miss this little nigga like you wouldn't believe.

>>11803288
I wonder how long this thing took to unpack and set up? Was it hard, or did it fold open like a lawn chair?
Also Sojourner is cutest rover.

>>11803287
We run this website cunt

>>11803171
Lockheed buying boing out of ULA is different from buying boeing. Boeing could sell some of their space assets to cover aviation, but doubtful. ULA is a joint venture between the two. I think lockheed has a chance to make module building it's domain. They have life support and crew experience with orion, and it's pointless to challenge SpaceX at its own launch game like Northrup is doing

>>11803268
>>11803283
Bright ass swastika that pisses off astronomers. Spy sat that only spies on shia labeouf and conatant Hitler speeches sent into deep space for the ayys

>>11803287
>implying we ever leave

>>11803287
Thats just it anon, we've been here all along.

>>11803288
Landers are cool, too.

>>11803288
We need robot Mars horse rover
I would ride it with a skitarii style duster robe on my spacesuit and explore the Martian wastes

>>11803288
I wonder if Photon could send a sojourner esque rover to mars.

>>11803298
He's in a better place now
>>11803288
Perseverance is the best now boys and i won't hear any other word of it.

>>11803310
>>11803308
>>11803301
>implying you're not election shitters

>>11803311
>they came back to check up on Surveyor and see how it was doing
That's sweet

What species will help us on Mars in the beginning? Is there anything that can live their right now and start producing oxygen? Algae? Lichen? Moss? Eventually we'll use high tree line alpine conifers right? Will we have to do genetic engineering?

>>11803288
I liked Curiosity.
>hey let's build a robot the size of a car
>give it a laser cannon to drill through rocks
>and drop it on to the surface of Mars from a rocket crane
>ok, it landed, quick, draw a dick on the surface with the wheels, and take a selfie

>>11803321
>implying I haven't been here from the beginning

>>11803326
Lichen, you need to build up a soil layer.
And microbes that metabolize perchlorates.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro926#:~:text=Perchlorate%20binds%20to%20the%20sodium,responsible%20for%20regulating%20mammalian%20metabolism.

Genetic engineered probably, you'd also want something black to increase albedo.

>>11803319
How much does it cost. What if we sent a 4ASS rover to the moon? 4ASS seal on a few academic publications would be worth it for the lols

>>11803325
Damn, it's bigger than I would've expected.

>>11803326
We shouldn't go to Mars in this state of late capitalism and societal collapse. Otherwise we would have fucked up two planets instead of one, and then good luck living in Venus.

>>11803351
>late capitalism and societal collapse.
have sex.

>>11803340
>How much does it cost.
Several million dollars including the launch.

>>11803351
why are you here

>>11803339
>Perchlorate (ClO4−) is a soluble anion that comprises a central chlorine atom surrounded by four oxygen atoms.
If we liberated all the oxygen from the toxic perchlorates, would that make a considerable impact to building an atmosphere? How fucked are we with nitrogen. I just want to see Mars starting to green before I die.

>>11803341
>Opressive regime

Christ these people need a taste of some real hardship.

>>11803357
Nitrogen is the real problem, your only viable source is Titan and I can't even imagine how you would ship an atmosphere worth of Nitrogen from one planet to another. Not to mention the people who settle Titan will probably tell you to get fucked.

>>11803305
Is Northrop attempting to compete? Interesting?

>>11803369
That sucks. You can build anything you need aside from fundamental elements it seems. Is that forever going to be a limitation? Is there any theory out there that isn't crackpot to create elements out of subatomic particles? Since there's so much hydrogen in the universe it would be nice to manufacture heavier elements from it. But I'm sure I sound like a schizo alchemist.

>>11803351
The USSR shouldn't have tried to go the moon in any state ever lmao

>>11803369
I would settle Titan if given the chance. I would place limits on companies taking my Nitrogen. Of course you could get it from nitrogenous minerals somewhere else, but my lake reservoirs would be well sought after.

>>11803374
They have their Antares rocket, SLS SRBs, and Cygnus cargo capsule. Antares+Cygnus is the only other CRS contract winner besides SpaceX. They won the bid for Gateway's hab module based on Cygnus.

>>11803333
Checked

>>11803321
The election was 4 years ago anon, unfortunately they've already Integrated to the culture. Also no i am not a election shitter.

>>11803199

holy fuck bros I did it, I finally fucking got my first comsat constellation in orbit with RO + remotech and bunch of other shit
>tfw realize that I forgot to convert from meters to kilometers in calculating orbits for line of sight
>could have actually deployed my first gen fuckhuge intelsat tier shits just fine instead of going through 3 generations of comsat and tug redesign to miniaturize them and scrape out more dv
welp now I've got two extra sets of comsats still on their tugs sitting around in orbit to figure out what to do with

>>11803399
>"Look Bob, I told you, wooden fuckin' doors"
>"Doug that was made in MSpaint"
>"That doesn't make it any less true"

>>11803381
Mars is going to be stuck in a paraterraforming state regardless. Terraforming will take a long time and there will be all sorts of huge cities which people will absolutely not want to be btfo by terraforming.

>>11803390
Oh shit, I forgot about the Orbital ATK acquisition! And I didn’t realize they had anything to do with the SRB’s. I mean regardless I don’t think they can keep up with Spx in the long haul. Cignus is a competitor to Dragon XL (or extended, can’t remember the name) but everything will change when SpaceX can start delivering massive payloads with Starship not only to Gateway but to the lunar surface itself. Northrop and Lockheed have a long way to go before they can compete, and Boeing is most likely going to get left behind in the dust if they don’t shape up soon. How are horse-drawn carriages supposed to compete with a Model T

What should our first payload realistically be once starship rideshares are a thing?

>>11803410
Antares's second stage is solid fuel and its first stage uses Ukrainian engines. I'm pretty sure Congress or NASA will ask them to up their game anyways.

>>11803351
>we would have fucked up two planets instead of one
>abandoned outpost = destroyed planet
Hey can you please go to chaz and then kys? Also you aren't a woman you are an abomination

>>11803390
>>11803374
OmegA

>>11803369
Lots of nitrogen in the soil. Even if this is not true, getting a thick CO2 and O2 atmosphere means less radiation and a decent biosphere are possible. Plus you would just need insulation and a face mask to go out.

>>11803429
I wonder how a thick atmosphere would interact with the storms that Mars has? Would it dampen them or would they become rapist tier gigastorms?

>>11803353
Shit, we are going to need to get /biz/ to sponsor us

>>11803437
More dust storms I think. The huge height differentials between stuff like the tharsis bulge and hellas and Vallis Marinaris would make for varied and active weather I think. Also this huge height differential should make terraforming easier. Deeper areas get thicker.

>>11803406
Fucking kek, also I am convinced that conspiracy level shit is posted so the other less crazy shit is easier to digest.

>>11803441
The height differentials also means that once terraforming is complete only a very small amount of area will actually be habitable.

>>11803421
>>11803429
Fucking SRB’s should be phased out by now. They are so stupid. If a company is currently developing a rocket with SRB’s (ULA, Northrop, etc.), they have no fucking chance at reaching full reusability any time soon

>>11803439
My 4k portfolio is a couple orders of magnitude away.

>>11803406
>Bob there is no fucking way a monarchy would work in modern times
>you aren't listening to me Doug, feudalism is the only correct path we can take because it follows natural law.
>we aren't fucking Chinks bob, its not going to work.

>>11803445
Yeah but if hellas and marineris are mildly habitable then really large scale colonization can begin. Meaning more people and plants to terraform

>>11803455
>I mean, Israel gets a wall, right?
>Doug we need to launch the rocket
>I'm just saying it seems to be working pretty well for them
>Can we talk about this when we're in space?

>>11803466
Its not terraformed if those places are habitable, both would be under water.

redpill me on ullage, how the fuck does it work with hypergolic propellants on shit that needs to make a lot of different burns
do they use separate gas thrusters for ullage?
do they just keep hypergolics pressurized and let a bit spray out and its enough to settle the tank regardless if its liquid or gas that comes out first?
is there some other method lik keeping the liquid in bladders to provide pressurization without gas or something?

>>11803466
just build the city on a boat so it floods when u terraform it

>>11803482
>ywn live in Mars-Venice
Fucking gay red planet losing its fucking atmosphere like a faggot, fuck.

>>11803149
Mag sails are not real

>>11803493
Neither are you

>>11803453
Its a better investment than ETH

>>11803469
>we are going to space and they are chimping out
>Doug stop, we are probably on live stream
>the statistics don't lie Bob i just don't understand why everyone ignores them

>>11803402
proud of you anon

>>11803526
>Systems check, everything nominal
>Hey Bob, did you know the Federal Reserve-
>DOUG WE ARE ASTRONAUTS

>>11803526
>>11803538
>>11803469
>>11803455
>>11803406
This could be a movie, goddamn I'm laughing so hard.

>>11803559
I move to induct RedpilledDoug into the list of approved /sfg/ memes. He would be so confused to see these posts.

Boeing is the quintessential boomer company.

4ASS Satellite Feasibility:
Used to pirate broadcast on regular radio frequencies.

Create Pepe Gagarin ETH token for funding
Each coin owned gets 1 second of airtime, total supply 1m coins, price $0.02
Create special category of coins that broadcast only over Shia Leboufs house and Israel which cost $5 per coin, market it to /pol/

Total audio runtime 277 hours before looping, approx 11 days
Choose an inclination to cover most populous regions.
277 hours @64 Kbps mp3 audio requires 8gb of storage, easily manageable

$12k for 0.75kg premade tubesat kit
$6k for engineering and development
remaining $2k paying /biz/ anons to shill it relentlessly

Specs:

- Electronic components, 4 Mbits FRAM Memory, Atmega 2560 microcontroller, integrated micro-USB port

- 9-degree-of-freedom inertial module (with magnetometer)

- Extra solar power: 18 durable 178mW solar cells

- 3 Lithium Ion batteries (with holding clips and temperature sensors); longer life

- 1.5W high-efficiency radio transceiver with built-in amplifier

- Dipole communications antenna

- Compatibility with Arduino IDE

- 2 sub-miniature deployment switches

- Launch to polar Low Earth Orbit: optional


https://www.interorbital.com/Tubesat%20Kits

>>11803418
Probably a plasma mag sail prototype that aims straight for Uranus. No one else would bother and reddit would SEETHE if it worked.

>>11803152
This looks unnaturally long

>>11803592
nature never intended hydrolox first stages

>space happenings ramping up every day
holy shit bros what the fuck is this timeline

>>11803575
Seconded

>>11803600
The exciting one. Lots of bullshit but lots of cool shit, beats status quo boring imo.

Beidou launch scrubbed.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-postpones-beidou-satellite-launch-over-technical-problem

>>11803615
Villagers were not in their assigned landing zone, understandable

>>11803615
eat shit chinks

>>11803615
Are there even any streams for Chinese launches? Or do we not get booster-hitting-village kino?

>>11803626
I don't think so, never seen footage live it's always after the fact. I think they like to save face in case something goes wrong.
Someone should get on chinese airtasker and get a local villagere to film it for $0.30
Their launch pads are pretty rad though

whatever happened to those planetary resources guys, did they go bankrupt yet?

>>11803623
Lmao

daedalus when?

>>11803559
>God, the Earth looks so beautiful from up here, doesn't it?
>Yeah, serene
>Everything but Afric-
>DOUG WE WERE HAVING A MOMENT

how the fuck is SLS still not built
exactly what the fuck is taking them so long to do

>>11803449
the military has to keep a manufacturer of them available for nuclear capabilities btw. if it wasn't for that SRB's wouldn't have made it out of the 50's

>>11803660
What made you think the goal was delivering a reliable vehicle cheaply and expediently?

"Ladies and gentlemen, so I come to give you some information because we have had an anomaly on this launch. Indeed, we lost contact with the launcher a few seconds after the ignition of the upper stage. At that time, we can consider that the upper composite and the satellite[s] have been satellised [sic: bad translation of French satellisés, meaning put in orbit]. But as I said, we lost contact. So up to now, our customers do not have contact with the satellite[s]. We need now some time to know if they have been separated [sic], and where they are exactly, to better analyse the consequences of this anomaly. I want to present my deepest excuses to our customers, who have entrusted us one more time. We know that there is no launch with no risk. We know that launch is always difficult, and tonight Ariane 5 has had an anomaly, so let's take time now to better understand the situation of the satellite[s]. Arianespace, in full transparency, will come back to you to provide you with some more information as soon as we have them. I apologise on behalf of Arianespace."[3]

>>11803668
>"I don't know what the fuck just happened, but chill it's probably fine"

>>11803643
Yeah they burned through everything. A crypto company with absurd amounts of cash and little idea what to do bought it all up.
Thus my suggestion to raise funding for a meme satellite using crypto above, it's easy as fuck to raise cash around the world with it.

>>11803674
You guys did buy launch insurance, right?

Right??

>>11803660
Cost-plus financing. It’s in boeing’s interest to take time, miss deadlines, and ask for more money. Fuck boeing

>>11803684
>In early 2018, the company failed to close a round of funding as planned, forcing layoffs. The company had planned on receiving investment from an unnamed mining company, but the investment was delayed due to budgetary reasons. The company's first asteroid prospecting mission, scheduled to launch in 2020, was delayed indefinitely.[35]
>On October 31st, 2018, ConsenSys acquired Planetary Resources, an asteroid mining company.[4] In December 2018, ConsenSys announced a restructuring with projected layoffs of thirteen percent of its staff.[5]
>In May 2020, ConsenSys made all Planetary Resources intellectual property available to the public domain, and in June 2020, all the remaining hardware assets were auctioned off.[6]
good investing all around

>>11803668
What is this from? Isn’t JWST launching from an Ariane 5?

>>11803702
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_flight_VA241
haha dont worry about it bro

>>11803319
My dick is unironically bigger than that engine.

>>11803341
>We cannot voice support for a dangerous, oppressive regime just because it lets us launch rockets
Like hell we can't.

>>11803728
Yeah: how else do you get things done?

>>11803702
For $10 billion it's not like they haven't made a backup or two.

I mean $10b? For one telescope? That'd be hilarious.

God I love this general.

>>11803381
>Since there's so much hydrogen in the universe it would be nice to manufacture heavier elements from it. But I'm sure I sound like a schizo alchemist.
Well, that's what stars do. If we mastered fusion, any element up to iron would be trivial to manufacture given a sufficient supply of hydrogen. Fusion is tricky business though, and it's probably going to be more than a century before we're wielding it with that kind of confidence.

splat

>>11803729
Wernher was a man of uncompromising vision. He understood that it doesn't matter what kind of government gets you to the stars as long as you get there.

>>11803701
wow I didn't realise they open sourced the IP, that's awesome. Wonder if there's anything decent in there.

>>11803341
>>11803729
>>11803748
I swear to god, it’s people like this liberal retard who are going to shit on Artemis and try to kill it. They’ll watch the first woman PoC walk on the Moon, but tweet about the “racist history of operation paper clip” and try to cancel Artemis. Fuck liberals and long live Von Braun’s dream. The first starship should be the Braun or the Covfefe just to put salt in these people’s wounds

>>11803725
but does it have higher thrust and specific impulse?

>>11803740
It's not necessarily tricky, the hard part is getting net output of energy which no one seems to be able to do yet. ITAR is saying they should get net positive but I'm not holding my breath.
Kids can build fusion reactors in the garage today.

Just got back from camping, what space shit did I miss today lads

>>11803592
>>11803599
8.4m diameter, 65m long.
Hydrolox is a second stage fuel despite what ULA says.

>>11803756
Cope

>>11803301
Nothing is more cringy than a powertripping /pol/ npc who thinks being annoying is a strength

>>11803765
> t. chaz tranny

drink bleach pls

>>11803756

The SpaceX headquarters have conference rooms named after the fathers of spaceflight theory and practice (Newton, Galileo, Goddard). I'm pretty sure I saw one for Von Braun as well.

>>11803762
Elon killed another test tank (SN7).
But it only leaked and didn‘t explode. So the material seems worthwhile to pursue.

>>11803747
>The virgin hydrolox vs the chad high test peroxide.

>>11803288
Does the lunar roving vehicle counts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2oyT6etsQ

>tfw spending far more time just designing rocket families and choosing color schemes in the VAB than actually launching anything
help i'm turning into ULA

>>11803586
>4ASS probes Uranus

Yes, simple too. Some form of one time disposable power supply, doesn't have to work for long since its not accelerating for long, little gas bottle with a few nozzles for course adjustment and a bit of garage time with some YBCO ribbon. If we could crowdfund a few stacks of 10k it seems very achievable.

>>11803781
Strange to me that SN7 died before SN5 and SN6 even got rolled out.
Also, they're stacking the nosecone on SN5? Why else would they do this, other than prepping a HOP?

>>11803794
SN7 uses a different alloy which they wanted to test before going further. Will be interesting to see what special homebrew alloy they cook up too.

>>11803799
While neat, the naming scheme triggers my autism. SN7 test should've been SN5, now it's all jumbled. Doesn't matter in the long run though, no reason to be bothered.

come on lockheed, make this fucking real

Has anyone ever been to the Cosmosphere? Its the only space museum I've ever been to, and I wonder how the others compare.

>>11803321
The electionshitters are just republicans and don't think swastikas are fun.

>>11803790
Install Realism Overhaul, now developing and tooling new rockets costs money so you have to actually get shit done.

Reminder that YBCO tape only costs around 80$/kAm. The kilometer you need for this magnetic drive is pretty much fucking free in terms of aerospace shit.

>>11803813
God DAMN this thing is fucking kino. Lockheed for the love of god take some notes from Boeing vs. SpaceX and choose the right road

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/eo/photo/webt/Mars-Base-Camp-Update-and-New-Concepts.pdf

exfoliate your onions

>>11803860
me the scientist astronaut

>>11803860
Looks cool but the architecture is a disaster.

>Hydromeme lander

Just

Fucking

Why

>>11803083
>>11803813
Fuuuuuuuuck bros will Lockheed try to compete with Starship with this? Imagine a methalox system with a reusable heavy lift launcher. Absolute nut

>>11803863
>sending niggers all the way to NRHO to save yourself like one fucking second of time lag on teleoperating a robot that operates slower than my fucking grandma

>>11803872
bro it's scientific dont worry

>>11803860
>>11803863
>Flies on top of SLS
Oh no no NO bros we got too cocky!

>>11803874
How can Spacex possibly compete

>>11803876
Probably by actually building it instead of just drawing it.

>>11803476
bladders or pistons usually (some tanks have a separate moving bulkhead inside that has propellant on one side and gas on the other, the pressurized gas forces the bulkhead down like a piston and lets you store your liquid propellant in a zero-bubble volume).

>>11803876
That thing uses 6 RL-10 engines, developing a total of around 700 kN of thrust. Meanwhile a single Raptor develops around 2000 kN of thrust, and Starship has six of them for a total of around 12,000 kN, over 17 times the thrust.

>>11803910
Damn the least they could do is put some BE-4 engines on it. Blue origin could develop a heavy lift launched for it. It’s a start at least...
While I’m on it can I ask why raptors are said to run on Methane, but BE-4 specifically uses “LNG”? Can blue origin run their engines on pure liquid methane? What’s the difference

>>11803900
based and infopilled

> Spacex popping and locking

>>11803927
>take ze shot

>>11803927
The fact that it could leak without bursting at 7.6 bar is encouraging

>>11803927
UFOs on the right

>>11803187
TUUUUUUBES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9F0WzdV4fI
name ONE thing sexier than thrust vectoring in any form

>no shock diamonds in space
this is empirical proof that god is either a dickhead or doesn't exist

>>11803959
Given the chance, I would fuck this plane

>>11803930
I believe your man has done his job well today,
mister Bogdanoff

>>11803963
based and curvepilled

>>11803915
we got an answer to this earlier from Tory Bruno (love that rocket cowboy LARPer)
the answer is that they need fairly high purity methane, LNG is a marketing thing for investors (it's a popular meme fuel)

>>11803974
Thanks. Tory is the man I hope ULA can compete with Starship one day beyond the stupid meme that is Vulcan

>>11803829
I'm playing RO with 6.4x GPP and bunch of other stuff but I don't have construction installed for the same reason I went down to 6.4x after trying 10.625x, which is that even in fucking stock I have trouble ever making it past mun orbit because I always get lost in SLS tier design autism instead of actually launching missions and I know if I make the game too autistic I'll be stuck in LEO forever

also r8 my rockets, full kerolox/merlin bois with slightly too small fairings because I only have them unlocked up to 1.875m and my so upper stage is currently limited to 2m because of that

>>11803993
needs moar boosters

space lasers when?

>>11803993
Nice family, getting past Lunar landings in RP-1 is really a pain in the ass but worth it if you can stay focused.

Damn I had a dream last night I was on a Mars colony. I was part of the Trade Guild. It was made up of people from multiple colonies who lobbied for equal prices across Mars. We had a flag and meetings... it was kind of like a guild from Skyrim. Really cool stuff

>tfw no launches I can go to to get my eardrums fuckin BLASTED
i suffer on the west coast bros

>>11803307
>>11803283
>>11803263

>retarded kids who never achieve anything in life take it out on the jews, steal enough money from their parents to do this
>try to keep it a secret as much as possible
>gets stupid ploy discover soon
>father refuses to pay bail and last you hear from him is "i wish we never had a second son"

ascent guidance that isn't jank as fuck with rescaled systems in ksp2 when?

>>11804135
Project harder

>>11803791
Who would build the thing?

>>11803647
When we have better orbital manufacturing capacities from starship and when more research on inertial confinement fusion is done.

>>11804147
Much like SLS (pbui) we would make a set of plans, then outsource the production of various parts to various anons and perhaps there is a get together for integration.

>>11803654
>man that was a rough ride
>Yeah starliner my ass, this is the most nigger-rigged piece of...
>doug what the hell you can't just drop n bombs
>all I'm saying is Ivan's ride is smoother and they're perpetually drunk. Boeing must've put the poos in charge
>Doug stop, I'm not listening to this for 6 months.

>>11803762
Intentional test to destruction of sn7 and a starlink launch

>>11803963
>not posting the F-22
Garbage taste

>>11804045
2030s

>>11804135
You take a joke harder than you take cocks tranny

>>11804150
we need to ask elon about this, apparently he is a schizo who reads every reply he makes.

>>11804174
oh i fucked up, gosh i'm tired
meant to say
> apparently he is a schizo who reads every reply people make to his posts.

>>11804176
There’s no way that’s true, at least not anymore. He tweets “lol” and gets thousands upon thousands upon thousands of replies. I wonder if he was a dev kit neuralink installed and he just gets the replies immediately in his brain

>>11804179
we have no way to know that is true. my guess is he specifically scrolls through looking for actual interesting questions while ignoring everything else (something that isn't too hard to do). Regardless, we should try anyway.

>>11804184
He’s the type of guy who would scroll through /sfg/ but I feel like he couldn’t help but mention it by now

>>11803369
Start dropping chunks of comets in low equatorial orbit, and wait for them to slowly reenter

>>11803963
Dear sir, please don't post lewds.
This is a Christian board.
Thank you.

>>11804174
>>11804179
>>11804184
>>11804185
Interesting. One of the things I remember him talking about is how he has people that scour the Internet looking for new technologies/patents/designs/materials that would improve his programs. It seems very possible that they haven't discovered this yet, although quite possibly this is one of the places monitored so by simply talking about it we may have brought it to Elons attention which is a cool thought. I still think that directly tweeting at him would help, if we made the estronaut aware too then it would probably get a lot of traction.

>>11804191
>the estronaut
are you referring to the esa?

>>11804192
Lurk moar

>>11804191
>he has people that scour the Internet looking for new technologies/patents/designs/materials that would improve his programs
bros how do i get hired

>>11804201
>ywn be part of Elons Internet autist army

>>11804191
I feel like we don’t have much to offer though besides talking about putting frogs past the Karman line. If we came up with a truly novel/important idea I’m sure we could find a way to reach him though. Isn’t there some rule that everyone knows eachother all over the world through at least a few mutual friends, I think it’s called 6 degrees of separation or something. We could find a person who knows him and get the word out

>>11804204
lets adress the real issue.

is there any even vaguely realistic way a civilian hobby rocket can put stuff in orbit?

>>11804208
Absolutely, DIY solid castings and balloon launch, but you will get v& before you know it.

>>11804211
seriously? does the delta v calculation check out?

i thought baloon launch was a meme that only saved around 0.0000001% of the energy needed to go to space

>>11804208
>>11804211
Guinness book of world records holds japans SS520 as the smallest to reach orbit, and it looks like it could be done by someone competent enough. Problem is we couldn’t track it. GPS have an automatic cutoff speed... it notifies the government you’ve attempted to launch an ICBM. We might find a way to get someone like Iran or North Korea to put some frogs on their next launch? I think in any of these cases we’d be getting knocks from Mr. FBI man lmao

>>11804213
By cutting out the densest part of the atmosphere you save huge amounts of delta v, its simply impractical to scale up much.

>>11804218
We could just do a suborbital launch. Get past 100km and our frogs have technical earned their astronaut wings. Balloon them up and solid rocket them the rest of the way. Not too difficult

>>11803146
flying through all those radioactive fireballs would look so cool through the windows

>>11804197
i've never seen that term been used before, across thousands of threads

>>11803081
I liked For All Mankind so i’m stoked to learn thats on the way.

Only Von Braun was pozzed in that show so maybe this might be get under the radar too.

>>11804203
Quality stuff anon hahah
>>11804234
Estrogen astronaut, everyday reddit, etc.

>>11804234
Ok newfag

>>11804243
ok faggot
>>11804240
oh mr reddit funny scientist man 2.0.

>>11804214
>>11804221
why do you need gps, why not just make some on board simple tracking software , launch it from somewhere remote

>>11803584
fund it

>>11804214
mr alfabet can pee up a string, what's he going to do, tell you to unlaunch a rocket?

>>11803940
Yeah it was a test to failure, went breddy good for a brand new alloy.
Their wild west cowboy attitude towards testing and iteration is commendable.

Realistically, how close are we to something similar to an Alcubierre-like device that would allow us to start to stray away from chemical propulsion. I don’t necessarily mean getting to other stars, more like, getting to neptune in 14 days or 14 minutes or something. My friend just said he’s “convinced we will see an alcubierre drive or something similar to it within our lifetime”
I have huge doubts, but I don’t really keep up with it. Last time I checked we still needed the mass-density equivalent to Jupiter

>>11804279
You don't need an alcubierre drive to get to neptune in 14 days. Are the only two drives you have ever heard of chemical propulsion and alcubierre drive?

>>11804279
Also we need the mass energy of the voyager probes, and a plasma magnet sail accelerating at 0.5c could probably get us to neptune in less then 2 months.

>>11804287
No but it’s 6 in the morning, I haven’t slept, and those were the only two things I could really think of. I know we have new plasma engines and whatnot but I’m talking about something that could be put on, let’s say, Starship, and reasonably ship cargo and people around the solar system in a matter of days. Not months

>>11804287
I'm pretty sure you need antimatter propulsion systems to hit Neptune in 14 days.

>>11804293
Longer travel times are desirable up to a certain point otherwise no one will escape the tyranny of earth governments. Months is the sweet spot in my opinion.

>>11804293
>reasonably ship cargo and people around the solar system in a matter of days.
Even shipping cargo around the solar system in months is extremely, extremely good. I don't see why you're in such a rush to get technology that advanced. Anyways, you'd need to get to relativistic speeds for that. Laser propelled light sails and plasma-magnet sails are probably your best bet because the U.S. government definitely won't let a private organization experiment on nuclear pulse propulsion, and the U.S. government is much more interested in nuclear thermal rockets then npp.

>>11804208
Literally posted above, premade tubesat $12k including launch, 0.75kg payload. As long as it is non-commercial. Not enough for a frog but you could double up and go 2U

>>11804303
This. I don't want the government to be able to send a fleet of 1000 ships to my 250 person colony on titan because it is 100% white or 95% white with a couple japanese people are something.

>>11804169
The patricians choice, still salty they never exported them. have seen basically everything in the Australian airforce fly, never seen a f-22. They just won't make anything like that again, was an impressive aircraft.

>>11803289
Kek

>>11804303
Do you think we will see jobs in the near future of people shipping cargo to and from different colonies? Especially once colonies become self sufficient and start making desirable goods that are wanted back on Earth? Or will the shipping all be automated

>>11804318
There’s something cozy about the idea of having a personal starship and you’re just pushing cargo across the solar system. Yeah it might take a few months but you’d be making a living as a space trucker. Hope it’s not all automated, this would be a fucking cool job

>>11804318
Probably mostly automated at least for transit, plenty of work on the "docks" no doubt though.

>>11804318
At first it'll be pretty much all automated. But with larger cargo ships we could see small skeleton crews of say, 5-10 people on a 250-500 meter long cargo hauler. This is because on a ship that'd big in space for that long, you'd want some people who can fix something if something goes wrong, or if something forces you to move the cargo hauler onto a different trajectory.

>>11803993
Are you mods downloaded from ckan? if so blz giv mod list

Going to Neptune from Earth in 14 days requires an absolute minimum velocity of 1.2% of the speed of light.

>>11804328
there's a couple more that I have not installed through ksp, mostly just galileo planets + sigma dimensions and rescale + patch to make the USI stuff play nice with RO that i can thiink of

Just watched the video time. Flight time for the 0.5g version is 4 months to neptune if you want to get into orbit there.

>>11804332
No, you could teleport or use a wormhole

>>11804314
Racism is evil

>>11804337
also I'm playing on 1.8.1, all the stuff I'm using from earlier versions where there isn't a 1.8.1 version available seems to work fine but I dunno about on latest version

>>11804349
why

>>11804337
what game version are you running?

>>11804353
It is not nice to be racist

>>11804358
I don't care if it is nice or not. I don't care if you think it is evil or not. I don't give two shits about what some tourist looking for >you's on /sfg/ says.

>>11804349
Okay, sure, but what does racism have to do with what you're replying to?

We need China to colonize space so we have an adversary out there. If space is peaceful I'm going to scream.

>>11804359
Then you will be destroyed. Racism has no place in our world.

>>11804358
but sometimes it is more beneficial

>>11804365
You will destroy yourself first.

>>11804344
With a 5g deceleration from 400ish km/s, that's going to hurt.

>>11804368
Good luck with the Nazi fan fiction.

>>11804371
>nazi fan fiction
>everything opposed to my 50 year old ideology is a nazi fan fiction
ok

I hope future space stations aren't as boring as the ISS.

>>11804370
good for probes though
>>11804376
hopefully starship can change that

>>11804371
You're a strange duck. You speak of the moral superiority of your anti-racist ideology, and yet yours is doing more to create racism, hatred, animosity, and division by emphasizing and promoting racial differences than the Nazis ever could by being insular and contemptuous of outsiders. You openly generate hatred by bringing awareness to differences, magnifying them, and then telling everyone that this group! The white man! The white man is everything that is wrong! Blame him! Take his things! Destroy him! Heap your hatred upon him and burn what he has built!

You are not creating a better world. You are not ending racism. You are amplifying it, and it will destroy you.

Huh, I never knew there was a Taiwanese launch startup. They have a suborbital launch planned for this month.

>>>11804234
>Estrogen astronaut

Hahahaha fucking lol. He looks just like the guy who got the switch from his wifes boyfriend

>>11804396
he looks like a meth addict

>>11804379
he thinks he is gonna have some totalitarian marxist dystopia that he runs that stretches across the entire solar system

>>11804349
evil is social construct

>>11804410
He very well might; its not outside of the possibility space. The people who would heap change upon others, though? They are the useful idiots, and once the revolution has happened, they are always the first to be purged, because they fed the fires of revolution once, and when the new regime is securing their power base, they are the most immediate threat to their power. Being idiots, they never learn.

space jihad when

>>11804375
No idea what ideology you’re talking about

>>11804410
I’m a libertarian not a Marxist stop making things up

>>11804425
your strange mix of marxism and neoliberalism

>>11804428
No clue where you get either of those from

>>11804427
>libertarian
>threatening to destroy others for not holding their ideology
you're a very principled libertarian at that

>>11804427
You're neither. You're a useful idiot.

>>11804433
>claiming that having ingroup preference that doesn't even harm anybody is evil and threatening to destroy somebody for it
that came from marxism

>>11804424
Soon after the UAE sends colonists to Mars on Starships.

>>11804440
In-groups can be as arbitrarily small or as arbitrarily wide as you like. An “in-group” can be created in experimental conditions by assigning a fictitious “personality type” determined by a faux test to a group of otherwise diverse people. People then believe that others who share this same nonexistent “personality type” are more similar in height, political beliefs, etc than members of other nonexistent “personality types”. Our monkey brains can accept “in-groups” as big as the entire species.

>>11804454
And as soon as you start making difference between groups significant in any way, shape, or form, you systematically destroy that unity. That is what the Marxists have been promoting to destabilize the United States and encourage Communist Revolution. The Marxists and their teachings must be destroyed.

>>11804455
>And as soon as you start making difference between groups significant in any way, shape, or form, you systematically destroy that unity

Yeah, now you got it. Race relations were quite good in the 2000s and deteriorated in the 2010s because of the influence of the media.

>>11804455
>And as soon as you start making difference between groups significant in any way, shape, or form, you systematically destroy that unity.
The founding fathers did exactly that with the naturalization act of 1790.

What do we think of this? https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/domes-are-very-over-rated/
It says that domes on the surface and underground living won't be a thing on a Mars colony, but rather we'll live in giant tents on the surface.
>So when one thinks of a city on Mars, don’t think of some quaint potato patch in a dome that’s too small for a game of tennis. Think instead of a gently puckered transparent plastic sky that stretches over the horizon in all directions, supported by a sparse forest of steel cables with endless open space between.

>>11804494
>domes are overrated
Yes. This is hardly the first time anyone has pointed out that big glass domes used for promotional material are not a serious base concept.
>so everything will be in unshielded tents using flourine plastics that we have no IRSU plans for
This is not what scalability looks like, so no.

>>11804494
no mars city is ever going to be made out of anything that can't be synthesized from Martian regolith

>>11804494
Well it's an original idea, that's for sure.

>>11804544
Well, sort of.
>live in inflatable bag
That's nothing new.
>no floors or shielding
That's new, but it's nonsensical.

>>11804534
agree, piling it over an internal inflatable or solid frame is much simpler

>>11804494
I like the idea of using it for farming and parks. Kind of like giant green houses.

>>11804570
>>11804534
for me, it's probably some kind of 3d printed concrete structure

>>11804568
Silica aerogel blocks UV rays, is super light and has limited self sealing abilities
If we can create structural plates on mars, building geodesic biodomes for a city would not be an issue
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/aerogels-could-be-used-to-build-terraforming-domes-on-mars
(The source is at the bottom of the article but it keeps kicking me off)

>>11804644
Aren't aerogels substantially more brittle than glass?

>>11804132
There's Vandenburg and Kodiak for polar orbit launches.

>>11804174
I asked him about it on Twitter. No reply yet.

>>11804644
Aerogels are incredibly brittle. Maybe they have some 'self sealing' property on a microscopic scale but they certainly don't at the scale of individual tiles. Also there are no IRSU plans here and you're just exchanging mass-to-surface constraints for volume-to-surface constraints.

>>11804289
>accelerating at 0.5c
pretty sure you meant 0.5g

>>11804670
You could have a composite. Layers of and some flexible polymer

>>11804677
Which would solve structural problems but not production ones. Even the dude suggesting it admits that it doesn't work at the scales he wants and he has no vision for IRSU.

>>11804685
>>11804670
>ISRU*
Fuck.

>>11804154
>Houston, can we get a calibration check on the station's cameras? I'm getting a weird IR and visual bloom over Minneapolis.
>Doug, no.
>I mean the only thing that would cause that other than instrumentation failure is if the city was on fire.
>Doug
>But that's the kind of thing you'd expect to see in Somalia, not Minnesota.
>Doug, for the love of God, there are Senators in the room with us.
>…
>…
>Despite being
[CONNECTION LOST]

>>11804670
>>11804685
>IRSU
>Internal Revenue Service Universal
>"We WILL collect your taxes in space."

>>11804673
yeah

>>11804711
Fuck off, T*rran
My proceeds are my own, especially my platinum mining

>>11804494
i'd always wondered if the prospect of "roofing over" a large crater like this (with the flexible and transparent "ceiling" material being supported by suspension from counterweight towers around the crater) would be feasible.

>>11804727
In principle it should work, but with Mars in particular you can fill the Mariner Valley with breathable atmosphere much easier than most craters.

>>11804727
It’s possible
The issue is making sure your air and water doesn’t leak out of the crater regolith and bad stuff doesn’t leak in since crater walls aren’t airtight
You’d have to pave and build over the entire thing to seal it and have a good foundation for the dome itself

>>11804734
i mean leakage rate is gonna be proportional to the radius, wheras volume enlosed is to the radius cubed; it's one of those cases where it'd work best at a huge scale. Anyway, I'm sure there's methods of sealing up pores in the epoxy and stuff.

>>11804725
The possibility for a true escape from tyranny amongst the belt and further beyond in the stars seems very promising

>>11804375
>>11804379
Holy LARP. It amazes me that someone clicked into an /sfg/ thread, typed this out, and managed to convince themselves this was on topic.

>>11804772
Based mods.

>>11804747
Paving the whole thing with Martian brick and sealing it with concrete would be effective, just don’t want to continually lose precious water and air if it’s possible

I don't see anyone posting here, but two great news just came up.

1) SpaceX is hiring offshore rocket launchpad engineers from Boca

2) They're expanding McGreggor facility to possibly develop more engine test stands and add more noise dampners. More engine testing coming.

>>11804799
Sauce on the offshore?

>>11804804
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/spacex-jobs-brownsville-tx?sortBy=DD&currentJobId=1907634211&position=2&pageNum=0

>>11804799
>SpaceX is hiring offshore rocket launchpad engineers from Boca
Yet they wont hire me.

>>11804815
You have to be in the top 0.1% to get hired there.

>>11804787
Martian concrete doesn’t use water

>>11804828
No, but it’s thereto keep water vapor from leaking out the crater so you don’t have to top it off from leakage

>>11804815
Are you in the top 10% of world engineers?

>>11804820
>>11804836
I meant hired by SpaceX in general. I know I don't have a chance to end up at Boca.

>>11804840
Get a tan and learn some shoddy welding techniques

>>11804840
They're always hiring mundane workers, its high intensive work so there's always some burnouts. If you got the drive, etc, you can apply to work for something that's within your reach.

>>11804635
I love the aesthetic of these printed shells

>>11804852

>>11804852
>wanting to live inside a Martian buttplug

>>11804859
This
Martian arcology hive cities are the way to go

>>11804859
>Mars Colony, brought to you by Tenga

>>11804866
Just put a ceiling on Valles Marineris. There's your arcology.

>>11803341
Stop posting fucking twitter nobody's

>>11804875
Holy fucking based.

>>11804847
I haven't had much luck yet. I think the biggest thing holding me back is my lack of complete hands-on experience. Pretty much every project I've been on has either been cancelled part way through, or my contract was up before I could see the project to completion. So most of my work has been very high level rather than the lower level detail work that most companies want to have.

>>11804875
Assuming those numbers are correct: nice.

>>11804859
>not wanting to live in an ayy lmao termite mound
the distinctly weird shape is what makes it cool

>>11804869
>Just
How about just do something that you can repeat over the majority of useful surface with simple processes, so that by the time everyone is done with their "just do one big ridiculous superstructure" quests the entire planet is already colonized.

>>11804886
I want to live deep underground in tunnels in the dark.

>>11804895
>the martian molepeople fear the sun
>the earth chad embraces it.

I love me some sweet vitamine D.
In before Vitamine Dick.

>>11804893
Lmao so many people here are convinced you could just 3D print a shell over Valles Marineris and call it a day. Imagine trying to cap the fucking Grand Canyon and keep it pressurized in a near-vacuum. By the time this got done we’d have colonized the solar system

NEW HAZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGx61TgDvCk

What would a Chinese colony on Mars look like?

>>11804909
If you want Vitamin D, eat it.

>>11804913
>Imagine trying to cap the fucking Grand Canyon and keep it pressurized in a near-vacuum.

Doable in a few years at worst

>>11804895
we are all basement dwellers here fren

>>11804923
A radioactive crater. Fuck communists kill every last one of them

>>11804923
It would have a large military detachment, to keep the population from "wrong thinking"

>>11804935
I’ve wanted that since I was smol, and would ask my dad for more blankets and pillows so I could make my bunk bed into some kind of cave

>>11804923
malfunctioning airlocks made from foil and tape, leaky pipes made of breadsticks, all touchscreen interfaces have extremely laggy responses, rovers crashing into each other even though they only had 2

>>11804923
Just burn the anti-bugmen copypasta onto the surface of Phobos, and they won't be able to put any colonies on Mars.

>>11804923
>Chinks: C-can I have some land please sir?
>SpaceX: Sorry, Mars is ITAR

>>11804938
This, no commies on Mars, by any means necessary.

>>11804923

>>11804923
A booster lands on the dome and they all suffocate.

>>11804973
>"SpaceX has tacitly apologized for the mishap last week involving an empty Starship impacting and destroying the PLA's Mars Colony, but has declined any reparation-payout citing 'come and get it you ugly bugs'. Martian President Musk now commands the largest military on the Red Planet, see your local recruiter today!"

>>11804995
only china drops boosters on populated areas.

>>11804995
Kek. Whoopsies we had an unannounced Nuclear Terraforming test near the PLA colony

>>11804955
This is already happening. NASA is banned from even sharing Martian regolith composition data with China.

>all these anons talking about nuking&dropping shit on the CCP mars colony
>not realizing they are already pretty good at killing themselves in retarded accidents.
they would all be dead in weeks.

I’ll raise this question, what would a Russian 2-stage fully reusable heavy lift vehicle look like

>>11805041
A blueprint

>>11805041
I'm honestly not sure they can make one anymore, if they ever could.

We could figure out how to build a stainless steel grain silo that can carry men and material into space
If you can figure out the best welds, we could build a tower filled with welding robots to build the tanks, skin and airframe, then slot them together like how modern ships are built
Then all we need are some proper engines, plumbing and some open source avionics
Then we have our own heavy lifter

>>11805056
>all we need is a rocket and then we'll have a rocket
Deep

>>11805034
Imagine the amount of chinks a space elevator would eat.

>>11805069
Lets build a rocket then

>>11805078
Hopefully all of them.

>>11805069
This is what people need to recognize. Yeah SpaceX is making a rocket in a swamp with blue collar labor - because they're figuring out how to make the simplest piece of the puzzle even simpler. They can think about shit like that because they've already gotten there or most of the way there on the big challenges. No one else in the world is as advanced in engines or control.

>>11805056

>>11804778
what got deleted

July 20th launch attempt from Alaska

>>11805095
Commies and /pol/acks shouting at each other.

>>11803704
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_flight_VA241
>mission anomaly ended the 82 consecutive launch success streak from 2003
>both satellites working anyway
that doesn't sound so bad actually

>>11805106
/pol/ has communists

Is it a good idea to mention that you have talked to Jeff Thornburg in your application to SpaceX?

>>11804218
Atmosphere in total counts for about 800 m/s of delta V losses. It's not huge, it's barely even significant.

>3 missions to Mars are being launched in July
Can some of the other planets get love too?

>>11805143
Any suggestions?

>>11805143
just be glad people care about Mars. Imagine if Mars wasn't there and all we had was hostile inner planets and gas giants. Interplanetary colonization would probably never get off the ground.

>>11804915
what the fuck is that color scheme

>>11805155
We could still stage an interplanetary presence from the moon, but there would be much more T*rran dominance and reliance on Earth resources due to bottlenecks

>>11805155
Mars is almost spookily good for a first colony.
Close enough to the sun that solar power is useable and daytime temperatures can get relatively warm. An atmosphere of CO2 useable for aerobraking, making oxygen and methane, less mass and a thinner atmosphere so entering orbit is relatively easy, rocky so there’s useable ores, but also lots of water deposits, and to top it off, two moons that weigh billions of tons that orbit within easy reach.

>>11804836
>world engineers
US engineers + the top 0.01% of world engineers

>>11805143
Other planets are stupidly expensive to launch to until we get cheap lunar Starship ferry rideshares.

>>11804955
I wonder for how long

>>11805153
titan

>>11805153
Jupiter mostly, some Saturn. Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are the "Big 4" planets of the future.

>>11805168
This, we got really good RNG with this star system

>>11805194
Cool, won't it take 7 years to get there though? I'd like to see more of the methane lakes, Lake Michigan is right outside where I am, and I think about a vast body of methane that size sloshing around on Titan's shores right now.

>>11805156
Sorry Europoor, only true-blooded 200% patriotic citizens of Pax-Americana would understand.

>>11805202
i wonder when the first colonies in the moons of jupiter will be founded, assuming a 2022 + 2024 cargo landing on mars by spacex and a 2026 human landing on mars

>>11804875
...and those stats don't even account for the well-known shadow-banning of right-wing users

>>11805008
>twimg
If you're going to animupost, at least clean up your fucking filenames or go back.