/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11801162
Homo is Latin for man.
/thread

>>11801164
I know, but why don't they make classifications like homo sapiens australicus or homo sapiens germanius?

>>11801170
Because human races are not different species.

>>11801162
>or has it any basis in science?
Yes, also "races" doesn't have any bases in science. It's social science shit and worthless.

>>11801190
Where exactly does one specie stop and another start?

>>11801162
We are one species with a bunch of sub-species

>>11801205
>Yes, also "races" doesn't have any bases in science. It's social science shit and worthless.
What we consider race are very much real deifferences and population structures at the genetic level.
To deny race is very low IQ stuff.

>>11801162
No it has no basis in science, we all of the species homo sapiens but hack "scientist" pushed every single obvious subspiecies under homo sapiens sapiens, which is retarded.

>>11801343
Except that the genetic differences between different "races" aren't much bigger than that of people of the same "race".

>>11801352
Any source or proof to back that up?

>>11801205
actually, the human genetic makeup can vary by as much as 0.6% which doesn't seem like much until you consider that humans and chimpanzee genetic makeup varies by only 2%.

>>11801354
Nope... Because it makes 0 sense at best, and at worst is just a blatant globalist lie.

>>11801331
Just look up the definition of species

>>11801162

Op name another species on earth that can have populations separate from each other for thousands of years, still be able to learn each other's languages and cross breed/have fertile offspring with each other. Protip you can't, that's a set of feature which seems virtually exclusive to humans.

You can find species that can cross breed with each other but rarely do they yield fertile offspring. You can also find species that can into basic communication mimicry to fool other species but rarely are they able to master said communication. However you cannot find a species (technically two concurrent species if the discussion is about races) outside humans (that I'm aware of) that can fully do both despite said long periods of separation.

In order to maintain the mindset that each race is their own species or sub-species one would have to create a new category. Such as "Super Species" to capture the unique set of features that allows Humans/Homo-Sapiens to be able to pull this feat off. However there is no need to create a new category because other species too can have a set of features that is virtually exclusive to them that allows maintaining oneself as a species. If you need an example look up the Common Cuckoo.

>>11801354
None because he's basically pushing Lewontin's fallacy of more genetic diversity within withing a population than between it and another population.
it's simililar to arguing the genes don't affect IQ the obvious response to which is wjether the IQ difference between them and a goldfish is due to environmental factors.

>>11801482
Homo sapiens and Neanderthals

>>11801534

Link me research that shows Humans and Neanderthals could learn each other's languages fully. Currently there is no evidence for this...yet. We can assume Neanderthals had a language but can not verify mastery between the two.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/could-neanderthals-speak-the-ongoing-debate-over-neanderthal-language

>>11801554
As I understand it they were oddly high pitched based on resonance studies and were thought to be musical.

>>11801331
That man and that woman could have kids who aren't sterile so they are the same species.
This is a board for actual science, if you don't have a basic understanding of even the simplest concepts maybe you should pack your shit up and go back to /pol/ where the rest of the retards hang.

>>11801331
Visual similarity is not a good measure. Rats and mice are not closely related.

>>11801331
Visual similarity is not a good measure of relatedness. For example, rats and mice are not closely related, their last common ancestor might have lived some 30 millions years ago.

>>11801482
>name another species on earth that can have populations separate from each other for thousands of years
Orca and other dolphins, plus they can interbreed across species, see Wolphins. Polar and Grizzly Bears, various corvid and seagull species, certain large cats, horses and donkeys (under certain conditions), etc. The line between species is pretty blurry and "can interbreed and produce fertile offspring" is 6th grade level understanding.

>>11801590
>That man and that woman could have kids who aren't sterile so they are the same species.
So going by that polar bears and grizzlies are the same species?

>>11801331
You'd know it if you payed attention in middle school, but I don't expect a /pol/fag to be at middle school level.

>>11801578

Yes, the article does also mention the possibility Neanderthals were capable of song/singing communication too. So if Homo-Sapiens and Neanderthals did communicate with each other verbally it may have been through song. But this is purely conjecture and goes into the debate of wether or not song itself can be considered a language.

I'll admit this may indeed be a possibility. However then conversation must go into how well did our two species understand each other's song and if the crossbreed offspring were capable of learning both species song/language, favored one species more or only had remedial understanding of both but was able to continue mating into human populations regardless of that deficiency.

>>11801664

I'm aware that various species are capable of cross breeding with each other for fertile offspring. But do you have links to any research that shows those two species were capable of learning each other's languages/communications fully on top of cross breeding? That's the big issue here that is hard to figure out since that's the set of features humans have that others don't.

For instance there is research of experimental mixed colony of Asian and European bees that can learn each other's dance. Although it is still controversial because researchers debate if bee waggle dance can be considered a language, if bee species actually have different waggle dance dialects and if the two species in question actually can properly decode each other. Even if two bee species can properly learn each other's language. They do not seem to yield hybrid offspring in general let alone hybrid offspring that is fertile. Humans are alone with this set of features.

>>11801590
Does this mean if I pick any two men, they are not the same species?

>>11801805
Are you trying to be retarded on purpose?

>>11801797
Don't some populations struggle to learn things like click languages?

>>11801809
Yes or no?

>>11801797
Links, not handy. But look up lost cetaceans, especially orca, that end up far from their local pods and songs. They often learn to communicate with distant orca or other species. There are probably plenty of other species, especially birds, that can learn new languages.

>>11801846
>t. man who imagines himself as Diogenes with a featherless chicken
>Actually just one of many retards on 4chan

>>11801811

Possibly but struggling to learn and being incapable of learning is two different things. For instance some people struggle harder to learn Japanese than others. But they are not incapable of learning the Japanese language it just takes longer. Also clicking languages may be harder to learn for some since it's a less utilize method of communicating. Even though people in general still use it in simple reaction gestures.

>>11801854

Got it, I'll look up the subject concerning orphan cetaceans and distant orca. I can confirm though there are some birds that can learn other songs/ languages (don't remember the species though).

>>11801331
Humans are designed to obsessively notice differences in facial features. If you had the same prepensity to do it for bird faces and looked at both birds head-on, you'd probably consider them even more different-looking than those two human faces.

Also, you're comparing two individuals, one of whom may be overweight, so it's not really fair unless you're comparing diverse samples of both groups.

>>11801331#
Humans are designed to obsessively notice differences in facial features. If you had the same propensity to do it for bird faces and looked at both birds head-on, you'd probably consider them even more different-looking than those two human faces.

Also, you're comparing two individuals, one of whom may be overweight, so it's not really fair unless you're comparing diverse samples of both groups.

>>11801768
It's complicated. From wiki:
>Under some definitions, the brown bear can be construed as the paraspecies for the polar bear.

>>11801331
These are also the same subspecies

>>11801967
>A paraspecies (a paraphyletic species) is a species, living or fossil, that gave rise to one or more daughter species without itself becoming extinct.[1]
>The evolution of the polar bear from the brown bear is a well-documented example of a living species that gave rise to another living species. [13][14]
Paraspecies just means parent species. They are under all definitions different species.

>>11801987
Not the same race though.

>>11802000
Pasted the wrong text actually...
>However, because neither species can survive long in the other's ecological niche, and because they have different morphology, metabolism, social and feeding behaviours, and other phenotypic characteristics, the two bears are generally classified as separate species.

>>11802017
>they have different morphology, metabolism, social and feeding behaviours, and other phenotypic characteristics
You could easily apply those distinctions to humans

>>11801482
>learn each other's languages
That's retarded. You are not born with language, it's a learned skill. A better approach would be comparing feral children from various human varieties but that would be considered (((inhumane))).

>>11801554
most blacks don't even master english after years of formal education you shill

>>11802044
Yes, and even the ecological niche part. White skin and black skin are not just for show, they're needed to live in the areas where they evolved.
Of course technology made it easy to live where your skin color is maladapted, but that's also true for other animals : now there's lots of polar bears living in zoos in temperate areas.

>>11802044
I think there part you skipped over is WAY more significant

>>11802064
the education system is just racist, readingist and utterly behind he times in not accepting ebonics as just as valid as english...BLM, fuck whiey, etc, etc also why can't they accept that balling is way more important than maths

>>11802079
The ecological niche part? As this anon said, >>11802075, only technology allows us to live in any part of the world. Your lineage wouldn't survive long in Australia without sunscreen, air conditioning, water treatment, imported rice, etc.

daily reminder that race baiting belongs on /pol/, as it is neither science or math.

>>>/pol/

>>11801162
We are the same species because we can breed and have fertile children, the different races are however absolutely sub-species.

>>11802148
What about subspecies-baiting ?

>>11802062

>You are not born with language, it's a learned skill.

This seems to only apply to humans though. Which still supports the original point. For other species language is genetic but there is some plasticity for mimicking different species communications.

>>11802064

Post your source to support that statement. The source I found seems to contradict that assertion.

https://nces.ed.gov/datapoints/2019179.asp

>>11802119

You should read the above link.

>>11802006
Both are the race dog.

>>11802127
>Your lineage wouldn't survive long in Australia without sunscreen, air conditioning, water treatment, imported rice, etc.
I'm white and I wouldn't survive in the wilderness in Europe either. Part of being human is making your environment work for you.

>>11802168
>You should read the above link.
sarcasm anon, I'm sorry I failed to make it outlandish enough.

>>11802177
anyone breeding the two would be convicted of cruelty to animals.

>>11802168
According to your graph, whites are largely underrepresented in the low literacy group and blacks are largely overrepresented.

>>11802062
Universal grammar theory says otherwise

>>11802186
>I'm white and I wouldn't survive in the wilderness in Europe either. Part of being human is making your environment work for you.
You would survive better than if you were black. You're trying to subtly avoid it, but the point remains : we adapted to our environments before we adapted them to us.

In fact, the ability to make the environment work for us is itself an adaptation to the environment of Eurasia. Blacks are not making the temperate environment work for them, we are.

>>11801470
>>11801336
Different guy. Species seems pretty cut and dry but, what makes somthing a subspecies? Are subspecies the same species as what they are sub to?
>>11801590
Are people not welcome to come and learn? Or maybe one can contribute in one area and benefit from others in another. Are you being an elitist? Do you want to exclude people from what privilege you have?

>>11801162
>>11801331

>>11802290
>I wonder if a weak analogy comparing /pol/ and /sci/ to blacks and whites will make people think I'm smart?
It won't, you're so retarded that it's impossible to not notice.

>>11802256
>You would survive better than if you were black
>we adapted to our environments before we adapted them to us.
You keep shifting the goalposts. Polar bears would die in the woods and brown bears would die in the Arctic. Humans clearly aren't like this.

>>11802290
>Species seems pretty cut and dry
Not even that. Lots of different species can share environments and have fertile offspring. Polar and brown bears are an example among others. There's also wolves and coyotes, whose hybrids became large populations classified as their own species or subspecies (red wolves, eastern wolves...)
Or theres those two species of crows which interviewed all along the white line.

>/pol/ posters try to prove that whites and blacks are a different subspecies.
>Instead discover that Taxonomy is a horribly inconsistent branch of science.
I honestly feel bad for anyone who thinks Taxonomy is anything more than a meme.

>>11802205

It's alright, don't worry about it.

>>11802215

Even with that being the case (although Hispanics actually are more overrepresented) your assertion of "most blacks" not mastering english isn't supported.

>>11802309

Please read about the Common Cuckoo anon. Once you do you will understand why sub-species definition can't apply to everything at the same level.

>>11802322
>Polar bears would die in the woods and brown bears would die in the Arctic
No they wouldn't, in fact they don't. See zoos.

>>11802344
Allow me to repeat:
>However, because neither species can survive long in the other's ecological niche, [...] the two bears are generally classified as separate species.
Zoos aren't their niches.

>>11802359
Would you consider the Australian outback your niche?

>>11801162
Speciation is usually divided by whether the species can interbreed. So far there has been no such speciation between people who we consider homo sapiens.

>>11801590
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebroid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids
You're the one without basic understanding of basic concepts.
The division of race is if two groups of the same species have been away for such time that when they come again in contact don't voluntarily breed with each other, even though it could be theoretically possible.
For example, an west african bantu and akan twas will mix together if raised with the same culture as russian and german bears can. but when a population of european humans is introduced in the west african region they wont voluntarily mix (unless extremely horny or drunk or abnormal in any other form) with the natives the same way a horse won't mix with a zebra or a polar bear won't mix with a grizzly.

>>11802324
>interviewed
Interbreed
>>11802322
If you switched a clan of pygmies and a clan of eskimos to each other's original location they would die too. Are they different species ?

>>11802365
Nope, it is not my niche at all. But there are plenty of towns and villages full of white people out there, living fantastic lives. I could move there and live outside my niche

>>11802379
And there are plenty of polar bears living in brown bear range.

>>11802394
>range
Zoos don't count as an animal's range.

>>11802332
Finally an intelligent anon.
But any person who says there's no human races according to science while at the same time accepting that species and subspecies exist for other animals is a retard.

>>11802405
Sure okay. But then same goes for other artificial environments, like cities. And you're not the same species as abos because you couldn't survive for long in their niche unless you built yourself your own zoo.

>>11802338
If blacks make up 13% of the population but are 23% of those with low English literacy, that's getting pretty close to the 26% would constitute "most". So that anon is technically wrong and you're technically correct, but not by much.

>>11802312
I must be retarded because I haven't a clue, what you are talking about.
>>11802324
I would think that the bears and things you mention have been incorrectly classified as different species, if my understanding is correct. Is this a problem of slapping labels on things or misuse of cladistics? We don't seem to use the word "race" for bears. Maybe we should. Sorry. I'm confused.

>>11802374
>when a population of european humans is introduced in the west african region they wont voluntarily mix
You assert this as a fact necause it confirms to your presumed notions of race realism, and it's not true at all. Almost the entire population of Latin America is a genetic soup of many different races including indigenous peopls, European colonists, and black slaves as a result of centuries of race mixing. You assert that any white man would never willingly reproduce with an African woman solely from your own experience as a white man who would never willingly reproduce with an African woman. What you have failed to account for is that most white men are not mouthbreathing race realists who learned everything they know about the world from /pol/.

>>11802450
>cute half abo girl.jpg
FTFY

>>11802467
>cute to those with low standards.jpg
FTFY

>>11802432
That's pretty dumb

>>11802449
I wonder why albino Africans are usually beaten do death by their own people?

>>11802378
Eskimos would probably do a lot better than the pygmies.

>>11802449
And yet many of the groups there vioolently oppose race mixing.

>>11802508
Magic powers?

>>11802445
>the bears and things you mention have been incorrectly classified as different species, if my understanding is correct
They were classified as species before we had the means to give an objective meaning to the term.
We could relabel them as different subspecies, but we don't because the important thing is that they are pretty different, and saying that they are the same species just would be absurd. It would be asking people to drop the usual term of species that they used for centuries to mean different groups of animals, just to replace it with a prefixed version of the same word.

>>11802378
They would die because they haven't learned the behaviors required to survive in a different environment, not because they are physiologically unfit to exist there. If you taught the eskimos how to live on a tropical island before sending them off they would do just fine there.

>>11802532
Maybe. But to be honest polar bears would also have an easier time in the forests than brown bears on the ice.

>>11802563
Same goes for the bears if you taught them how to get food the way of the other bears.

>>11802508
A belief that their heads are filled with gold?

>>11802508
What the fuck does that even have to do with anything?
>>11801162
Race is a meme from people who didn't understand genetics. You can group humans into very fuzzy categories but most of the time genetic differences are a continuum, not a series of clusters. Humans move around too much and breed with out-groups too often for real separation to happen except in a few instances. Modern Europeans, for example, are mostly descended from three distinct migratory waves, not a single branch coming off a tree.

>>11802467
cringe
>>11802472
kys

>>11802586
Clines have been debunked repeatedly. Human populations are homogenous by the fifth generation (assuming lack of segregation factors) just because migrations happened in Europe some 5 thousand odd years ago doesn't make the European race any less homogenous or real.

>>11802585
Isn't that for bald men?

>>11802563
They wouldn't do just fine unless they didn't have to compete against the natives - natives who presumably would have some evolutionary advantage from thousands of years of living in that environment.

>nose 1cm wider so it should be an entirely different species
simplified answer is continuation and inhabiting vast geographic distances just like our animals dogs, cows, cats, sheep, etc (who all are much more varied than humans and also same subspecies).
and btw this is biology, not math. things here aren't as straightforward and simple

>>11802573
You might be able to argue the case that a polar bear could survive in the woods, but there's no way a grizzly bear would survive in the arctic ocean. They lack the numerous adaptations that polar bears have such as body shape and swimming endurance that the polar bears have devloped to allow them to live in a marine environment. Humans can move to new locations faster than they can evolve to live in those conditions because we rely on technology rather than built-in physical abilities to cope with our environment.

>>11802586
>You can group humans into very fuzzy categories but most of the time genetic differences are a continuum, not a series of clusters
That never prevented subspecies and species classification in other animals.
>Humans move around too much and breed with out-groups too often for real separation to happen except in a few instances
Quantify this.
>Modern Europeans, for example, are mostly descended from three distinct migratory waves, not a single branch coming off a tree.
So what ?

>>11802595
>1/8 abo girl.jpg
FTFY

>>11802600
pygmies in the Arctic would be very cold, while Eskimos in the Congo would have to survive vicious rampant disease and overheating.

>>11802608
Ring species are a myth. there are no real examples of them.

>>11802605
>Humans can move to new locations faster than they can evolve to live in those conditions because we rely on technology rather than built-in physical abilities to cope with our environment.
The ability to create technology is a built in physical ability. And it evolved further in Eurasia than in Africa.

As for the comparison with polar bears, pygmies would also lack numerous adaptations than the Eskimos have to live in the arctic. According to your criteria they should be different species.

>>11802608
I'm not in this conversation, but I'm getting the impression that you are using that figure like it seems to imply that it does prove some kind of speciation process despite geneflow.

Therefore allow me to clarify that it actually does the opposite, for it violates the classical definition of species as being genetically isolated from other populations and at the same having species classified as species, being actually a challenge of what we consider and define as species and if anything going in favour of the idea that the defenition should broaden and become more lax to accept for cases such as this when the geneflow is still going on.

Now, in terms of human populations your pic is also out of context since the concept you have to look for are clines or geographical distributions of phenotypes, more typically in gradients of characteristics, that would be more fitting for an actual human dynamic that challenges classification of human populations.

Good day.

>>11801162
There are 2 species. Subsaharan africans and the rest. Both are subspeciated.

Races are not species, but are genetically dissimilar enough for the 5 classical races to make sense.

But if scientists can uncover 4 species of giraffe using a genetic based approach, the races are definitely a physical reality. You dont have to call them species. But the same genetic variation that is used to establish species in giraffe exists in humans.

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2816%2930787-4

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2008/02/21/319.5866.1100.DC1/Li_SOM.pdf

>>11802648

>>11802632
Wrong

>>11802653
Look it up.

>>11802597
>Clines have been debunked repeatedly
Do you even know what a cline is?
>a population with a single ancestor
That's it. That's the definition. How the hell would you even "debunk" that you schizo?
>>11802608
>That never prevented subspecies and species classification in other animals.
Because taxonomy is stamp collection not science.
>Quantify this
Quantifying the degree to which a nomadic species moves about is unnecessary. Human genetics are a continuum- that's all the proof that is needed.
>So what ?
So we're mutts, you imbecile. How much more clear do you need me to be? Everyone everywhere is a mutt. There's no such thing as a "pure race".

>>11802694
Hey, Vsauce! Michael here. How long will it take the continuum fallacy to die?

No one mentioned purity.
Can you see any pattern in the image here >>11802603? Or are you blind?

Not him btw.

>>11801162
It's political, without Marxism science would look nothing like what it does now.

I'm tired of neanderthal reconstructions based on modern humans. So I made this.

>>11802694
Of course I know what a fucking cline is, and that is not the definition, I'll take your deflections as an admittance of defeat.

>>11802615
polcel cope

>>11802648
>>11802652
those divergence times are much larger than those among humans

>>11802557
Interesting. Language is a tricky thing for science. It is worse with plants. Especially food types of plants. Some pines are edible and others are poisonous. There are many poppies that are not at all related and have different purposes.

Why so many buttholes in here?

>>11802831
So what?
Divergent evolution has happened recently in humans.

>>11802508
Albinos being persecuted has literally nothing to do with wypipo. They are persecuted the same way gingers used to be persecuted in Europe, due to beliefs about magic powers and so forth.
White Europeans are not at all treated this way in any Africa. On the contrary, people are positively biased towards them on the whole.
I see this meme posted all the time and it is the most egregious, laziest argument you could possibly make.

>>11802748
Neanderthals were white you /pol/ faggot.
Africans are the only one group of Homo sapiens not having Neanderthal genes.

>>11802851
White in skin only. We diverged 800,000 years ago. Also that's not an african, it's an abo.

>>11802851
/pol/ knows this so I've no idea where that guy came from. Not sure why you think he's from /pol/, maybe lay off the blue pills for a day or dilate or something, nignog.

sage, report and hide /pol/ shit

the right has always been the subversive side because being honest would get them labeled monsters

>>11802884
Call to sage, against rules. Maybe you are projecting you own issues when, some of us are trying to talk about science and stuff. If you weren't here instigating, half the thread wouldn't be here.

>>11802884

Every fucking day. Every fucking day this thread. The same responses, the same memes, the same arguments. Every day. I'm so tired bros.

>>11802915
Try r/science

>>11802924
Nah we have better memes.

>>11802846
So your point is that any divergence = different species?

>>11802970
No read my post you illiterate mongrel.

>>11801768
>So going by that polar bears and grizzlies are the same species?
As the Icecaps melt polar bears are returning to land and reintegrating and mating with the grizzly population they are returning to being a single species mark my words this Grizzlar will spell the end for humanity.

>>11803005
Polar bears have enjoyed their white privilege long enough, it's time for GRIZZ BULLS to take over their land. Meanwhile a brown bear with a big nose is promoting grizzly and polar interbreeding, convincing more and more polar bears (especially females) that it is in their interest if they want to survive global warming.

>>11801331
>prrhfphphphh
>i look exactly like my grandma

>>11802975
>Divergent evolution has happened recently in humans.
What is your argument?

>>11803025
kek

How do /pol/cels cope with the fact that science shatters their bigoted worldview?
Why don't you guys just accept that the holocaust happened, that we're all just humans no matter how dark or light you are and that the jooz aren't ruling the world.

>>11802851
Africans also have neanderthal dna btw

>>11802599
Probably. Hard to keep up with all their superstitions.

>>11802653
Care to give an example?

>>11803274
Let the grownups talk, sweetie. Go play with your friends.
>>11803282
This is news to me. Can you point me to some easy reading? I tried google and they wanted to sell me rivets.

>>11803274
>Why don't you guys just accept that the holocaust happened
Because it is illegal to discuss in many countries. That should make your scientist skeptic alarm ring.
>that we're all just humans no matter how dark or light you are
Human? Yes but some population groups integrate with other population groups than some other population groups. Those population groups that aren't able to integrate in a peaceful manner should be segregated from each other.
>the jooz aren't ruling the world.
Speaking of segregation, that's a population group that needs to its own space, both to protect it from others and to protect others from them. They're not the source of all misery in the world but there is a high correlation between their presence and discord.

>>11802600
>ignoring the many, many historic examples we have where colonists displaced native people who were more adapted to the environment

>>11803332
Like .02% Neanderthal on average

>>11803337
>Yes but some population groups integrate with other population groups than some other population groups.
Yeah, let's get rid of the bigots, they seem to have a hard time with the rest of society.

>>11803345
>ignoring the effects of technology, which as been mentioned numerous times in this thread
ya... in that case they didn't have to compete against the natives on level ground because of technology

>>11801162
Why do you care so much about humans being split into different races / species ? Abos and europeans being part of the same specie doesn't take away the fact that abos are on average more retarded.

>>11803425
>Why do you care so much about humans being split into different races / species
It's hard to function as someone with an interest in science when every publication, layman or otherwise, is constantly peppering me with """facts""" that I'm told to shut up and accept. The distrust between the public and science media is palpable. It's spooky.

>>11802849
>On the contrary, people are positively biased towards them on the whole.

This. Also was more passive and active benefits travelers of other groups don't enjoy mostly. In Africa for example as a western white guy you have Expat communities ( or local in the case of Namibia or South Africa) where you don't have to interact with the natives at all, places that cater to you and try to passively or actively not serve locals, positive at worse stereotypes, paid better then locals by x3+ for doing the same job and qualifications. On top of that very few people will mess with you because the minute they do the police would basically rape them with the baton.

Yeah people assume you are rich which in the case of Africa you are relatively and that gets annoying and people try to sell to you but at least that's way easier to quash or correct then people asking you about your penis. That beats people trying to touch your Afro-textured hair without your permission, assuming you are slut/drug seller because you are Black or saying stuff like "I want real American, white one not a black one" to you...while you are processing their visa application at a consulate.

>>11802537
Because Latin Americans have complexes that would take a long time to describe.

>>11803376
Can that be confused with the common ancestor before them? Doesn't this change some current theories? Did some migrate back to Africa, you think?

>>11801805

>>11802332
Don't remember where, but I heard this some time ago: speciation is a useful term, not so much for species.

>>11803378
An objective review of bigotry likely would reveal that the bigots are someone other than who you are thinking of.

>>11803552
I mean, that amount of DNA realistically is within the bounds of testing error as far as I can tell. Also yeah, it can mostly be explained by foreign reentry into Africa, whether by Europeans or some other group. We're about 100% certain Neanderthals had 0 contact with sub saharans, at least after the original expansion of the desert.

>>11801162
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0049837
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24850919/

>>11803614
Thanks dude. Good to have you. Fascinating stuff.

>>11801352
yes, "races" are pseud bullshit, but actually doing genetic testing and drawing lines would leave a bunch of people sitting on the lines in weird ways and also would be completely incomprehensible to the common folk and useless

>>11803988
>actually doing genetic testing and drawing lines between wolves and coyotes would leave a bunch of animals sitting on the lines in weird ways and also would be completely incomprehensible to the common folk and useless
>"species" are pseud bullshit

>>11804002
wrong

>>11803988
Also it is so incomprehensible and useless that multiple companies could not make money selling this.
Oh wait.

Study finds huge differences in size and shape between Chinese and Caucasian brains:
http://archive.is/7HLXR
>Global volumetric measures were used to identify significant group differences in the brain length, width, height and AC-PC line distance. Using the LONI BrainParser, 56 brain structures were automatically labeled and analyzed for all subjects.
>Genetics and environmental factors make the Oriental and Occidental populations dissimilar. Thus, using Caucasian atlases for Chinese populations leads to overall brain volume, shape and size differences. Additionally, differences in brain structures between these populations may underlie different brain functions. If a Caucasian template is used in functional studies involving Chinese subjects, such genotypic and phenotypic differences may cause inaccurate measurements, comparisons and interpretations of results.
>The ethnic differences between the two populations are clearly visible–the Chinese_56 template (constructed using Chinese population) is relatively shorter but wider compared to the widely-used ICBM152 brain atlas (based on Caucasian brains)."

Study compares Asian brain volumes, finds that Chinese have 6% larger brains by volume than Indians, 2.5% larger than Malaysians:
http://archive.is/wip/JLoyo

This study associates various genes to brain volume, and then finds the proportion of those genes in the various racial groups. Although they are hiding their data on brain volumes. Almost none of the genes associated with brain volume are the same between populations.
http://archive.is/wip/pMz4u

>>11803378
ethnocentrism highly evolutionaroiy conserved

>>11803337
>discord.
Has there ever not been discord ? There was never a time were humans were just chilling peacefully, each one on their continent UNTIL some external element turned everything to shit. They have been waging war forever, wherever they were.
If you really believe that if you went back in time, you could convince Europeans of the 11th century that all of them were fellow whites and should form an ethno-continent, then you are delusional.
The idea that all "white" people are a single race is at most two centuries old. The idea did not even occur to them before that.

>>11803552
there was back migration into africa after the neanderthal admixture event that left a genetic signature in many african populations.

>>11801352
Lewontin's fallacy

>>11801352
Yeah but this is only true if you consider a single trait. If you include dozens of traits the populations become completely distinct.

>>11804054
What do you think the crusades were?

>>11804054
And the french and english still hate eachother even now. Just goes to show that, no matter how small the differences, when life starts getting more challenging people will always segregate and fight eachother to hang onto their share of the pie.

>>11804054
>The idea that all "white" people are a single race is at most two centuries old. The idea did not even occur to them before that.
Citation needed.

>>11804072
>And the french and english still hate eachother even now
Only the English hate the French. The French don't care.

>>11804054
>Only 2 centuries ago
Gee what else happened 2 centuries ago. Something called the scientific and industrial revolutions. You know when people started inventing useful models and categories for reality. How dare scientists notice things 2 centuries ago...

>>11804077
How do the French feel about the Spanish and Germans?

>>11804073
Different anon.
The one you are quoting is wrong, the idea is about four to five hundred years old
>Dee, James H. (2004). "Black Odysseus, White Caesar: When Did 'White People' Become 'White'?". The Classical Journal. 99 (2): 157–167. JSTOR 3298065.
>Silverblatt, Irene (2004). Modern Inquisitions: Peru and the colonial origins of the civilized world. Durham: Duke University Press. p. 139. ISBN 978-0-8223-8623-0.
>Gregory Jay, "Who Invented White People? A Talk on the Occasion of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, 1998"

Now I request a citation from any time prior on the idea of paneuropean unity. Because I would like to remind you that the Irish, Italians, Slavs were all considered inferior people at one time or another, not to mention the core ideas of Feudalism that say literally everybody not-born-of-royalty is subhuman.

>>11804053
You mean tribalism, retard

>>11804082
The French are assholes to everyone. They're the French. French is synonymous with assholes. It's just the way it is. It's a universal truth, like how water is wet.

>>11804116
Sounds like a different race to me.

>>11804121
They seriously might be. If anything could unite the nazis and the jews it would be the idea of annihilating the French race.

>>11802851
>Africans
few very specific subsaharan african groups

>>11802724
>Can you see any pattern in the image here >>11802603?
gradual change unlike the giraffes in >>11802652 ?

>>11804082
They used to hate the Spanish, Portuguese, Italians and Polish when they were emigrating mid 20th century. Now I think they don't mind, although the Spanish still have this stereotype of being lazy. They don't like the Germans because they are nerds (French are to Germans as Spanish are to French).
They do like to spend their summers in Spain and Italy though.

>>11804082
As far as I can see as a french person, regarding most other european peoples we just like them, without passion and by default. The only ones that stand apart are the German for whom we have mixed feelings of attraction and repulsion.

>>11804116
>>11804121
That's just cultural. We are taught that being over critical is generally the intelligent stance. Foreigners tend to see it as arrogance because they see us talking shit about foreign things and they assume that means we see our own stuff as better, but we don't. In fact we are much more agreeable to them than we are to ourselves.

>>11804144
see>>11802724

>>11804091
>Now I request a citation from any time prior on the idea of paneuropean unity.
I don't have one, but that doesn't mean much. Absence of evidence... I still expect that if you asked, let's say, a Greek man in 600ce who is more related to him between an Ethiopian and a Briton he would point to the second.
I kinda agree with the anon I first responded to that there always was discord, I just wanted to point out that his talking point about white people being a recent invention and thus worthless is not just retarded but unfounded as you admitted.
>Because I would like to remind you that the Irish, Italians, Slavs were all considered inferior people at one time or another
Yeah so what ?

>>11802874
>>11802924
>le blue pill
>dilate
>go to reddit
you people are literally like fucking morrowind npcs repeating the same keywords over and over. do you ever get tired shitposting or do you genuinely have nothing better to do?