/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11770990
Cryonics, life extension hardware, life/genetic manipulation software, spacio-temporal studies.
Why do you ask?

Have you signed up for cryonics yet?

>>11770990
No it couldn't.

>>11771013
That image is dumb and you should feel dumb for posting it.

>>11771071
You should actually post an argument instead of baiting

>>11771050
Why? Cryonics as they stand right now would probably allow you to get revived in at least 250 years. That's only about 3 lifespans from now. I doubt society will crumble by then.

You better fucking hope that the company freezing you doesnt go bankrupt (like all the first generation ones did) or that you aren't accidentally thawed prematurely (not unheard of even for modern companies).

>>11771342
Life is full of risks. However, your cryonic storage is backed up with low risk investments which give enough of an ROI to fund the power and liquid nitrogen needed to keep you frozen.

Of course, the investments aren't a guarantee and anything can happen. Still, it is quite a bit better than burial or incineration

>>11771082
you should post supporting evidence if you are going to take crap like that seriously

>>11771082
>>11771013
First of all it looks like compressed garbage.
Second it looks like it was drawn by a five year old.
Third it fails to add any meaningful information about the 100 80 50 30 0 what the fuck are those numbers supposed to mean?

Fourth it proves nothing, It's literally just scribbles and assumptions about the speed of progress.

>>11771847
What are you talking about? Longevity escape velocity is just the concept that if we are able to delay the progression of aging by a year in less than a year and that progress keeps up, then aging can be delayed indefinitely

>>11771858
Yeah okay the image was bad, but you're obviously familiar with the concept. I don't think the idea that we will continually get better at slowing aging down once we start is that insane.

>>11771869
It's not insane but that doesn't make it reasonable. You just have to handwave the thousands of ways humans die.

>>11771911
I'm talking about anti aging science, not anti-death science. Obviously there are still going to be accidents even after we cute aging.

Still, if there were no deaths from natural causes, humans would live to about 3000 years on average (and depending on your demographic, probably much longer)

>>11771921
You also have to hand-wave the thousands of different ways we age.

>>11771931
How do you mean? Like our different organ systems? Obviously there will need to be different therapies, but if we are scientifically capable of repairing the heart let's say, the same principles are going to be useful for the pancreas. It won't be trivial adapting the therapies, but it certainly won't be as hard as starting from scratch

>>11771931
I'm also sure you're aware of the SENS 7 categories of age related deterioration. I personally think it's all going to reduce to cancer and stem cell therapies though

>>11771951
ECM stiffening and extracellular trash may become a problem as well, but once the body is in an otherwise youthful state, perhaps the natural repair process will correct these as well.

>>11771859
it's more complicated than that, mortal fag. maybe medicine will be able to let the average human live longer, but maybe that medicine can only be applied to newborns, etc. etc. it's not a very useful concept

>>11772043
I'd actually argue that therapies would be only available to people who are already elderly (at least at first).

Evolution has shaped our genome to let us love for up to 100 years. Of course, the code could always be improved upon, but making changes in a newborn that would cause them to accumulate damage slower is going to be a monumental challenge (and the damage accumulation rate will never be zero). However, reversing this damage would be much easier and much more effective. It is more effective to treat people who have cancer than to play around with the generic code to make cancer less likely. The latter is only possible in the far future, the former is happening now.

>>11772043
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity_escape_velocity

LEV could be responsible for saving millions of lives who live around the cusp of life extension therapies

>life extension

>>11772262
Growing old, frail, and demented is the ultimate alpha move.

>>11772270
entropy will erase you one day, anon, even if biologically immortal

>>11772326
Doesn't mean you can't extend your life until that happens.

>>11772326
All the same, I think death in ~10 billion years is better than death in ~100

>>11770990
>we must fight against nature
Extremely Abrahamic-minded post. Disgusting.

>>11771822
Why not just have children? Why do you want to keep your current body forever?

>>11772270
Why dementia? Nande? Warum? Growing very old (over 100 years old) doesn't mean you have dementia. You might get dementia though if you spend all your time watching TV and not using your brain.

>>11772396
>All the same, I think death in ~10 billion years is better than death in ~100
I think dying at 80 is better than living to be 10 billion years old

>>11770990
Ted Kaczynski pretty much proved that technological immortality is a pipe dream.

>>11771088
Fixing the damage done by Freezing would be near impossible, it would require sci-fi level nano-machines I just do not see it happening.

>>11774151
Look at this retard he can see the future.

The only afterlife options are religion or cryonics. At least with cryonics your betting that humanity won't fall apart and will have an interest in bringing you back if at all possible.

>>11774074

>cope

>>11774151
Technically, the bodies aren't frozen, they are vitrified. The damage may still be immense, but it is by no means theoretically irreversible. People in the 19th century would not have believed we would actually be able to reach the moon.

>>11774108
The first part argues that there would be no way to extend biological life without mechanical replacements. I don't really agree with that. Even still, you would have choice over what amount of artificial replacement you personally find acceptable.

Increased competition among individuals is an interesting concept. However, a future that has defeated aging is most likely close to post-scarcity. I would see no reason why individuals in such a society would need to compete. Reproduction could be stopped by banning therapies to repair the germ line from aging. Still, even though immortality may be unreasonable on long enough time-scales, we should fight for every year possible and not give up before the challenges even arise.

>>11774074
I would rather the option of deciding how long I want to live and then dying peacefully instead of forced degradation in old age

>>11772863
Dementia is inevitable for everyone just based on increased neuronal death with old age.

>>11774074
OK, but you wouldn't deny other the chance to live that long or try to defund research into it would you anon?

I actually work in biogerontology and I dont really believe in the whole agenda.
Immortal body my ass, that is top egocentric and narrow minded. Humans are ephemeral and should stay that way until they are able to build communism. At which point they will no longer be humans.

>>11770990
>What are you doing to defeat aging? This could be the first generation to escape aging if you wanted to.
Trying to make money.
Also taking reasonable supplements like Vitamin D, K-2, CoQ10, fish oil.
>>11772262
>>11772270
I'm OK with death, as long as I get a long, high quality life--which pic related has made impossible at the moment.

>>11776907
I WANT MY GODDAMN FORESKIN BACK
FUCK YOU KELLOGG YOU CIRCUMCISING, CEREAL-MANUFACTURING PIECE OF SHIT
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

AND HURRY THE FUCK UP FOREGEN IT'S BEEN A WHOLE DECADE

>>11776923
>KELLOGG
Yeah, I'm sure it's all Kellogg and his sanitarium in Bummfuckcreak, Michigan and not the fact that Jews control the medical establishment in burgerland, especially the AAP.

>>11777068
Dr (((Singer))), in this lecture promoting circumcision, actually uses material from circlist, a circumfetish group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraKXVUyoLE

>>11777068
>>11777078
http://intactwiki.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Schoen

>>11770990
It doesn't feel like dying when you leave a big mark on the world. Just stop being a failure and be useful instead.

>>11771342
Why cant sleepers sell their genetic information to compabies and let them sell their clones or some shit?

>>11770990
drink heavily

>>11776214
Why do you care? Once you die, you'll stop existing, so assuming that aging gets solved, you can just take therapies until you feel like existence is going downhill and then kill yourself and then be in the exact same place.

>>11770990
Donations

>>11777131
> I think the slain care little if they sleep or rise again

Since we have been doing fuckall with lab grown organs and nothing with artificial red blood cells, which would be our entry level nanomachines, then exactly how and through what avenue are we even starting to cure aging?

>>11774969
>However, a future that has defeated aging is most likely close to post-scarcity.

>>11778549
I care cos the whole wording of the problem enforces the materialistic worldview. Biogerontology implies that a man = his material body and that only youth is the one gud part of ones life and evrt else is garbage

>>11782146
I mean biologically speaking things do go to shit with age.