/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11755221
Assuming the track is finite, I go down the bottom track.

reddit thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiEYCXPI-qY

>>11755228
4chan is pretty much just edgy reddit
grow up faggot

>>11755221
>>11755224
Assuming the track is infinite, I go down the upper track.

>>11755221

>>11755221

>>11755232
Is 4chan reddit, or is reddit 4chan?

>>11755221
I mean it's better to kill only [math]-\frac{1}{12}[/math] people than [math]+\infty[/math], right?

>>11756211

>>11756206
The top track would kill -1/2 by your logic.

>>11756220

>>11756211
Total deaths if we pull the lever to save the deontologist:
one plus the five he kills at the next trolley problem
Total deaths if we allow the deontologist to die:
only five

we should not pull the lever

>>11756225

>>11756222
uhh no [eqn]\sum_{n=0}^\infty 1 = \infty[/eqn]

>>11756230

>>11756240

>>11756245

>>11756251

>>11756227
What if they replace him with a utilitarian at the trolley problem he was supposed to do? Or replace him with no one but do it anyway?

>>11756231
sum_0^inf n = inf as well. Why are you using analytic continuation for one case but not the other?

>>11756220
Just imagine being some poor asshole who's walking down the street, thanking god he survived yet another sadistic trolley problem only to spontaneously explode into ludicrous gibs because some grad student was going over old test results.

>>11756245
In this case the robot would likely calculate that the best course of action would be to hurl itself infront of the trolley thus compelling the operator to hit the breaks. This would be the most expedient way to stop the trolley and it would carry the lowest risk of harm to human beings. In this case the First Law supersedes the Third Law, allowing the robot to essentially commit suicide to preserve the lives and safety of the humans on the track and in the trolley.

>>11756498
heh

>>11756702
I think you're right. Or it would commandeer the trolley and have some minor short circuits from gently pushing the conductor out of the way with an ounce too much force.
Though I would point out that the zeroth law exists in the story where they have the AI running an country and it would allow some harm to happen to individuals if there was a definite net benefit to the everyone else because it realized it couldn't prevent all harm from everyone all the time, but that failing to complete its operation would lead to even greater harm.
That was a big huge networked AI if memory serves though and not your normal android. But there is precedent.

>>11756175
how downboat this post so everyone may see that I dislike this 10x or by whatever multiple reddit "fuzzes" their numbers to make an opinion appear more popular and more prevailing than it actually is?

there's no reason an intelligent or resourceful few would not manipulate the masses according to their will. the guy preaching "why don't we love each other and get along," is definitely an idiot and is definitely manipulated and taking part in manipulating others. sad but true. Now give these stupid people the right to vote and behold, reddit: the most hateful community of "loving" idiots

>>11756899
It's not hateful if it's coming from the good guys™.

I'm missing a
>0.999... people vs 1 guy
and
> 1 guy vs 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 +... = - 1/12 so it would be less killing

>>11757253
> 1 guy vs 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 +... = - 1/12 so it would be less killing
to be fair a guy sliced in is dead anyway, let pieces from the dude scattered around
but his foot and shin will survive at the end of it so there's that

>>11755226
Based

Assume all deaths round down to nearest whole number. Kill 1 dog or .9999..... people?

>>11757510
.999... people

t. dont even really like dogs

>>11756251
This doesn't work because you can't line up the real numbers but I like meme, best thread we've had in a month

these are good

the answer is to never use trolleys
>t. uncle ted

>>11757509
C3 ?

>>11755228
reddit is 4chan

>>11755221
Experimental physicist: there are more people visible on the right track so I let the trolley go to the left track.
Theoretical physicist: Let the trolley go to the right track, you wont kill anyone but create a dozenth of a human.
Engineer: wait till the front wheels settle on one track then quickly change the track to derail/stop the trolley.
Category theorist: Let the trolley go to the right track because theres more people and most of them are probably transphobes anyway.
Tooker: There is actually a third invisible track infinitely far away with no people on the track, so you should switch to the third track.
0.999.../=1 crowd: no matter which way it goes, it will always get closer to the first person but never reach it, so everyone's safe no matter what.
OP: still calculating which option will get him more cock.
Pajeets: no I am serious u a trolley.
Set theorist: there are models of this problem in which going to the right kills more people and models in which going to the left does. Thus the problem is undecidable in ZFC.
Topologist: the tracks are homeomorphic so it doesnt matter.
Algebraic geometer: let's first simplify this problem by making all the people in the picture wear funny hats.
Analyst: the people on the left side are bounded below by the people on the right side. It's a good inequality.

>>11757580
What are panels 2 and 4 referring to?

>>11757624
>Tooker
Kek

>>11757624
Actually, analytic continuation would yield that pulling the lever would create half a human which is 5 dozenth more. Also in which model of set theory could the track with only 1 person per block be interpreted as something with a bigger cardinality?

There was a simple one that I never found again of 1 nice guy who never thought of trolley problems vs 5 professors who spent all day creating trolley problems.

>>11757614
That's the solution I came up with as well

I was expecting there to be multiple possible scenarios leading to a probability distribution for number of deaths but it seems like C3 will guarantee only 20 deaths

>>11757534
oh god

>>11757534
Assuming fictional world, hit the glass box. If it is reality, miss the glass box.

>>11757526

>>11755221
Well, /sci/?

>>11757614
>>11757943
why isn't it D4? i feel like i'm misreading the problem

step 1 - albert knows it isn't 5 or 6 since bernard doesn't know. given the letter he has, he cannot figure it out. if albert were given track B, he would have said "i know you do not know what it is, and knowing that allowed me to identify the correct pad" but he was unable to, so it could not be B
step 2- bernard now knows based off what albert said that it could not be B. if bernard had track 1,2, or 3, that doesn't help him since there are still two cases for each, but if he had track 4 he immediately confirms D4 since B4 is written off
step 3- albert takes that information and determines it is D4 as well
am i just stupid?

>>11759935
Are we working in the Argand plane?

>>11760109
If there were a chance that it was 5 or 6, Albert would not say Bernard doesn't know. This means it is not 5 or 6, so it cannot be A or B. Once albert makes his statement, Bernard knows it is must be C or D.
Since C1 and D1 both exist, if Bernard were told 1, he would not know which pad it is. So Bernard must have been told 2, 3, or 4. Once Bernard says he knows, Albert deduces this.
If Albert were told D, he would narrow it down to D2 or D4 and be unable to conclude. If he were told C, he narrows it down to C3. Once Albert proclaims he knows, we have narrowed it down to C3.

>>11760109

In step one, Alfred cannot have A or B since he knows for certain that Bernard does not know either. Otherwise the pad could possibly be A6 or B5 and Bernard would know the pad right away. (This also tells us Bernard cannot have 5 or 6)

In step two, Bernard now knows the pad is in row C or D, since he makes a similar deduction from Alfred's statement as we do in step one. Bernard also knows for certain the number, and uses his secret knowledge to deduce the pad. Hence Bernard must have 2, 3, or 4. If he had 1, he would be stuck.

In step three, Alfred now knows Bernard has 2, 3, or 4 and uses his secret knowledge of the letter to deduce the pad. Hence Alfred must have C. If he had D, he would be stuck.

Now we know it's C3 too

>>11760255
>>11760258
oh i'm fucking stupid, i didn't realize the "cant be A" part
thanks i'm gonna drop out of college now since i'm going to amount to nothing lol

>>11755221
I hope the trolley driver can do multi-track drifting.

>>11757747
2 is Descartes, I don't know 4 but you could google it.

>>11757747
Descartes, Rawles.

>Kill only two men
>Create a twelfth baby
Pick one

>>11761616
1+2+3+4... can be assigned the value of -1/12, not 1+1/2+1/3+1/4...

>>11761623
That meme went so wrong you're a meme now.

>>11759935
>length of [math] i [/math]
Did you mean that this is a vector, because a magnitude of [math] i [/math] seems weird.

>>11757509
This is actually pretty simple, we don't even have to know which tracks are eliminated, we know that both tracks that they were told have exactly two pads, which must also converge on a single pad.

>>11757493
Six deaths! High score!

>>11755232
stfu newfag

>>11757509
So how exactly does this stop her?
There's no mention of people on the tracks, just that there's 20 people who die if you actually crash them.

>>11761616
Bottom track. The fractions of people are already dead so you would only kill 1 person on the bottom vs 2 on the top.

>>11756220
good one

>>11756231
you're not using the variable n so that sum is technically a constant 1

>>11757580
Good one.

>>11759885
For pullfaggots, aleph 0 < aleph 1 so it's better to pull
For dontpullchads, pulling is murder so don't

>>11761616
Nah, the bottom one is actually infinity.

>>11764692
Well, it's good to exercise

>>11768219
The cardinality is aleph 2, not aleph 1, idiot.