/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11731893
it’s a meme because it is literally all funded by people with an interest in manipulating the data, usually for significant government subsidies. They don’t have to make healthy food just convince you their food is healthy

>>11731941
It's so blatant. Nothing in nutrition Research can be trusted. Even the "micronutrients" the FDA says are daily requirements. People who eat straight meat don't lack vitamin C for some reason.

>>11731893
The only thing I am certain of is to not exceed in anything, there is no such thing as "[organ/immune system] boost", just try to strike for balance, never too much of anything.

Also this research is a bundle of fun.
https://www.sciencealert.com/everything-we-eat-both-causes-and-prevents-cancer

Also as I had the luck to be the intern in a research lab, I observed at how pointless or dangerous taking supplements can be, simply put each person has its own balance, everytime I met someone taking them, it was either not enough that the problem was still there or too much.

>>11731982
On top of that it’s fucking exceedingly hard to control variables even without hidden variables.

>>11731893
we already know what we supposed to eat
-unprocessed meat, fruit , vegtables, grans, nuts even diary
-literally anything actually
we are herbivores

>>11732029
I wish I had to confidence/brain damage to talk about shit I only have passing knowledge of in definitive terms

>>11731987
Usually when something is called a "boost" it means you dont have enough of it.

Like, people started to say during this COVID thing "vitamin D is a immune system booster you need it". That is mostly correct, because most of the population has vitamin D deficiency (like 60-70% of usa)

>>11731987
>I observed at how pointless or dangerous taking supplements can be
how and why is it dangerous?

>>11732001
Not only that, the controlling they do is just pseudoscience hidden behind complex calculations. They use linear regression, which assumes that the variables they control for are:
1. Independent of each other.
2. Linear in their correlation.
Both of which is usually wrong.

>>11732040
if you need research papers to know what you need to eat you have actual brain damage

>>11732052
Yes, we actually do need to do research to know things, you mong.

>>11731893

>still don't know what we are supposed to eat

But we already know what to eat.

>fish rich in omega fatty acids but low in mercury concentration
>food rich in vitamin A, B, C, D, E, K primarily vegetables, nuts and milk
>weekly intake of iodine, iron and zinc
>weekly intake non-processed meat and grain

Everything else is optional.

>>11732050
Also forgot to mention that it's super easy to manipulate data like this. Just arbitrarily pick the control variables that favour your predetermined outcome and call it a day.

>>11732029
Except most of the fruits and grains didn't exist during our evolution. And the nuts will kill you if yo don't process them correctly.

>>11732067
>>11732050
yep, same thing with social sciences. and no one wants to fix it because it means burning their paychecks.

>>11732046
Well is just the usual stuff we luckily know, like say, too much vitamin C and you get diarrhea which unfortunately I know myself as I went a month drinking 100% orange juice, is just stuff you can find probably on Wiki, problem is a medic hazarding a diagnosis or someone making a presumption that they are lacking X or how someone might take a certain supplement and still have troubles because they are treating only the symptoms not the underlying causes, you might have someone with cramps, so they take Calcium but then they still have them because they did not take vitamin D with it, or maybe they do but is ineffective because their kidneys are a mess (I actually know a guy's GF who has Hypoparathyroidism, has cramps, underlying heart problems and ruined her kidneys with alcohol abuse, hopefully the experimental treatment she is following will prevent a cardiac arrest).

Shit's complicated, I think selling certain stuff endangers people.

>>11732052
I actually don't know what to eat. Still debating between full carnivore and Omni low cal with fasting. I gave absolutely no reference.

>>11732087
go full anatolia. Delicious and probably good for you too. Try Kurdish if you like spicy

>>11732084
aha, so you are saying we should be very careful with our diets. now I understand why doctors are worried about people taking supplements (vitamins D) for the covid thing... people are fucking retarded and think taking them at any moment will help them when they fall ill

>>11732138
In a nutshell from what I am learning, is that all this boosting and being some kind of superman because you ate X or Y seem to be rather pretentious when most of us are likely missing or exceeding with certain elements.

I probably sound confusing, but I see too often people trying to trivialize a problem into "you are just missing X", is because I am lucky that I am witness what happens when you can analyze someone's relation with their "components" so to speak, whether they have a lack of excess of them, I hope these sort of machines get out of the lab and become more mainstream.

As a side note I am more worried about the long term effect of an overuse of bacteria killing soap might have on them.

>>11732087
What is
>Omni low cal with fasting
?

>>11732163
Omnivore diet, low in calories with intermittent water fasts.

>Diet depends on body type and geographic location
>seasonal fruits and veggies are always great, cause ecosystem varies geographically and so does our genetic makeup.
>80% cooked veg + protein (animal or plant) though plant is better as it doesn't cause calcium leaching and shit
>basically take maximum variety of foods at your location.
>variety and seasonal foods (unprocessed) is the key.

>>11731893
Lmao the only people who oppose veganism are fat fucks. They're also the same people who say that fruits are bad because of fructose.

>>11733461
why would you base your diet off vegetables that didn't exist more than a few thousand years ago lmao

>>11733466
every vegan I've ever met was horribly weak and looked like shit sorry bro

>>11733518
Because that's not an argument.
Just because people ate something thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's the ideal diet especially since their main goal was surviving and not living as healthy as possible.

>>11733524
It's ok, your anecdotal evidence is useless anyway.

>>11731893
not sure what you're talking about, we've known for like 3 decades whole food plant based diet is optimal for human health

>>11733569
Do we actually know that?

>>11733734
yes
the only reason for the controversy is influence from many industries, every single government health institution has recommended shifting your diet towards plant based for the last few decades and the evidence is overwhelming
watch dr greger's channel nutritionfacts on youtube where he goes over very large amounts of research on most nutrition topics

>>11734266
Dr. Baker says eating carnivore is healthier than eating plants though.

>>11734903
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

>>11733466
>>11733526
>>11733541
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-bes/
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/
>http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Battle_Creek_Sanitarium
>https://gizmodo.com/dr-kelloggs-15-most-absurd-medical-contraptions-5963269/amp
>https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or/

>>11735324
back to /pol/

>>11731893
omnivores

>>11735319
Everyone else is appealing to authority. And all these doctors use peer reviewed studies to support their conclusions. So why do you believe Berger?

>>11731893
>Are humans...Omni?
Yes
>>11732029
>we are herbivores
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Meat+in+the+human+diet:+an+anthropological+perspective-a0169311689
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>https://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intestine-length-ratio
>https://www.mpg.de/12728073/neandertals-main-food-source-was-definitely-meat

>>11735388
jesus it's so tedious talking to limited people
I wasn't appealing to dr greger, I was appealing to the tons of research he goes over in his videos, I don't care about dr greger in this argument, he just does a really good job compiling and presenting high quality research on his channel
the only reference you made in your argument was to dr baker, hence your argument is a fallacious appeal to authority

>>11735405

>>11732079
>>11735405
>>11735421
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d0fe/b0019dc8017e499150bc453230018d5cd282.pdf

>>11732079
>>11735405
>>11735421
>https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d0fe/b0019dc8017e499150bc453230018d5cd282.pdf

>>11735518

>>11735518
The salt, dairy and bread section is kind of outdated

>>11735547

>>11735335
>>11733526
https://plagueofstrength.com/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/nlmc-nfi030112.php
https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health/
https://www.webmd.com/men/features/benefits-protein

>>11735335
>>11733526
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/nlmc-nfi030112.php
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health/
>https://www.webmd.com/men/features/benefits-protein

>>11735413
Dr. Baker also presents tons of high quality research. There's positive research promoting veganism and carnivore diets.

>>11735744

>>11735547
We used to get salt from animal blood.

>>11734266
then why does he look so thin and unhealthy for a 47 yo if he has it all figured out?