/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11726840
CS is a huge field that is 99% math.
Programming is 1% and there are always people that will program for you(you can literally hire) for literal peanuts.
If you are good at math you will do fine.

>>11726840
I warned you about MechE bro. I warned you and you laughed.

>>11726865
No one warned me man. I fucked up but I’m trying to figure things out ASAP. If I’m still working in manufacturing when I’m 30 I’m gonna kms

>>11726840
There are still a lot of pretty cool jobs in MEng. My firm (in finance) is hiring plan HVAC engineer to work on the cooling system for our data centers for example. Very high pay and great benefits. Look for niche opportunities like that

>>11726840

Bio undergrad here. I started with python while doing my bioinformatics thesis. I've landed a decent remote job after a year and half of countless rejections. Is not exciting as science but programming is fun for me anyways.

However, the caveat is that you reeally have to enjoy coding and computers, doing countless hours of unpaid work polishing your skills and portfolio before getting any job at all (this was my experience). It requires lots of training and self-learning, unless you have some friend to help you get into a big company.

Also depending on the company the work can be highly stressful and make you consider more than once why the hell are you even doing this. Lastly have in mind that many people from all walks of life are getting into programming attracted by the gold rush (which IMO no one knows how much it will last), so you can expect a lot of competition.

Anyways, good luck op.

>>11726872
Hiring an*

>>11726872
What region are you in? I’m in the South and it’s pretty much exclusively the kind of positions I mentioned. Another issue I’m having is that all my experience is in manufacturing, so it’s really hard to get into actual engineering jobs (design, HVAC, aerospace)

>not mixing CS and ME like your bosses do

OP if you want to get into management you have to start thinking like a manager. This is also not a /sci/ thread but is clearly a /adv/ thread.

>>11726898
My bosses are retards. I don’t do any engineering I mostly just correct the mistakes of past engineers. I figured since this was engineering related it was best suited for /sci/

>>11726900

honestly if you want ME career advice see the machinist general on /diy/, but I can tell you up front that you also need to at least know some welding, drafting, and programming in order to get paid real money. ME has changed a lot over the past three decades, most of the new tools are computer-controlled. You can still do your job without computers but it limits you to just car repairs instead of say turbines or electronic hardware.

Bro dont you solve interesting diff eq and fun models everyday? So many jobs look for fluid mechanics guys and pay well.
Why aren't you into this?

Did you go to UT by any chance

>>11726976
Close but no

>>11726840
>Would I be able to get a high paying job if I get good at programming independently (not a CS degree)?
Yes.

>>11726851
>CS is a huge field that is 99% math.
kek, no.

>>11727024
kek yes
you are just some rando retard

>>11726840
You definitely can. The problem solving toolkit you learn as an engineer is applicable to a ton of fields. I know engineers who went into software development, finance, law, and medicine. Software dev is by far the easiest to get into since you just need the programming skill set and to work on some projects, either your own or open source, to get a decent entry level job.

>>11727111
>t. rando cs retard

I "program" web surveys.

This is pretty much my job description:
https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=d65f9ef8a84d1b6b&from=serp&vjs=3

I have a degree in statistics. I basically took the first job I could get after graduating college thinking I could at least get something on my resume even if the pay was not competitive. I'm making under 40k/year. I've been "programming" web surveys for about 2.5 years. The only raise I've gotten has been $1,500 which was about 4.5% at the time. Manager claimed this was a good raise.

Is there some way to get a better job or do I need to go back for a CS degree? I'm not really proud of what I do and the company I work for doesn't seem particularly committed towards developing their employees -- otherwise they might leave.

Is it a good idea to stay at this company during coronachan or should I look for new employment opportunities now?

>>11728197
Based

>>11727024
>>11728197
i mean unironically, yes CS is a field that is 99% math. Most people don't do CS however, they do software dev. This is CS:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2001.04383.pdf

>>11728432
>Business is a huge field that's 99% math once you remove 99% of field
>Look at this paper on the black scholes equation!

>>11728454
>>Business is a huge field that's 99% math once you remove 99% of field
Software dev is big in industry but it hasn't had a huge impact on academic CS, which hails from math and engineering tradition if you read any of the papers.
>>Look at this paper on the black scholes equation!
I can provide more papers if you please, of which the topics have to do with algebraic topology, differential geometry, complex analysis, or measure theory, and are all about CS / written in the CS department by CS researchers.

>>11728454
>dude math is 99% used for engineering lol not actual pure mathematics lol
>dude physics is 99% used for engineering lol not actual pure mathematics lol
These two statements, via contradiction by absurdity, prove you are a retard.

>>11728432
>Anand Natarajan†2,3,
I obtained my PhD in 2018 at MIT, under the supervision of Aram Harrow. Prior to this, from 2009 to 2013 I was a student at Stanford University, graduating with a BS in Physics
>Henry Yuen
B.A. in Mathematics, University of Southern California

:^)

>>11726865
>>11726870

>tfw 4th year of MechE

>>11728679
I don't see how this contradicts anything about CS? Where did I mention anything about caping for some shitty software dev focused undergrad degree?
That being said, would you like me to find authors on quantum information or CS in general who put out work like this who were just CS undergrads? Hell, one example is Aaronson, the big shot / big name in mainstream quantum computing.

>>11728679
>>Henry Yuen
>B.A. in Mathematics, University of Southern California
You failed to mention his CS PhD lmao. Exactly how does this challenge the point of "most people don't do real CS, and real CS is mostly just mathematics?"

>>11726840
Get an aeronautical masters and apply to space companies

>>11729025
aerospace is hard to break into though
that and there are ~5 companies

>>11726840
Most of the career switches you see people talk about isn't really "CS" and moreso just intermediate web development, IT stuff or something along the lines (maybe cybersec? I've seen some of that). I honestly cannot tell you if that's something I'd recommend but I can tell you switching into those fields midway through one's life is something many people have done.

>>11727024
>>11728679
Look man, just because you think ricing your gentoo install is CS doesn't mean the rest of us have to larp your fantasy where CS isn't a branch of mathematics.

>>11729025
better off joining the military than applying to an areospace job, because the Veterans Preference is always going to screw you for any Defense related job.

>>11729038
>boeing
>Spacex
>airbus
>Blue Origin
>virgin galactic
>rocketlab
>Dynetics
>lockheed
ect

>>11728197
>use advanced discrete mathematics to theoretical derive their asymptotic computational complexity
>principle of mathematical induction to prove program correctness
i know the CS major is supposed to sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about, but this honestly makes it seem like the author of the OC really didn't know what he was talking about

>>11729180
For the first line the term advanced discrete mathematics is purposefully exaggerated. For the second line it's possible to use induction to prove properties about programs, more specifically recursive functions. There's other ways to prove properties about algorithms and programs, but I don't see anything unintentionally wrong with the description.

>>11728454
what a fucking wanker

>>11727016
UK Louisville?

>>11728257
I'm a chemfag myself but I have a ton of random work experience prior to comitting myself to academia.

Based on what you wrote, I would actively look for better employment opportunities. You have a decent amount of experience and I'm positive you can flip that in any number of ways. Do you have a GOOD resume? By GOOD I mean attractive, one that utilizes key words for job application algorithms etc. How large is your company and have you negotiated a raise?

>>11729180
CS majors really do talk like that. I've heard most of that in real life speaking to them.

>>11726840
thanks OP i almost regretted leaving ME

>>11728470
Please provide some of the papers written by CS researchers on algebraic topology and differential geometry, I'm dying to see some application of those fields

>>11726946
Only PhD shut-ins do those jobs

>>11726840
Atleast you work in manufacturing with CNC machines and shit..I work on fuselage assembly line in a third world shithole.I spend close to 10 hours standing on the shop floor for six days a week.I am going to resign and start preparing for a Phd in Physics.

>>11729618
>topology
http://jeffe.cs.illinois.edu/pubs/pdf/surflow.pdf
http://jeffe.cs.illinois.edu/pubs/pdf/gohog.pdf
http://cs.brown.edu/~mph/HerlihyS99/p858-herlihy.pdf
>differential geometry
https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~jean/DIFGEO-ppm.pdf
http://www.jmlr.org/papers/volume6/lafferty05a/lafferty05a.pdf
https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.10451
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~kmcrane/Projects/VectorHeatMethod/paper.pdf

Tell me if you want more papers

>>11726840

>Mechanical

What the fuck did you think you were going to be doing you absolute idiot?

How could you be so clueless and unimaginative?

Did you not realize that the primary applications for mechanical engineering would be refrigeration and residential/commercial boilers?

Enjoy running the same calculations for chiller systems and HVAC for 50 years, you fuck-fence.

Pic unrelated. Coffee is in fact good for you, fuck you.