/sci/ - Science & Math

Welcome back to the future, everyone.

>>11708315
>name my band
At Least We're Not Devo.

>>11708315
>band name
Black is the new Orange.

Second for 4ASS orbitally assembled yeet train.

Hopefully this thread doesn't get as trashed by retards as the one before it

>>11708372
Cursed image.

How will Starship becoming operational disrupt Rocket-Lab's business?

>>11708315
space flight

>>11708380
If they offer a cheapish clip on motor to take your satellite to its desired orbit, rocketlab will get crushed.

>>11708380
Starship Cargo should drop launch prices through the floor. They won't directly compete in the "small individual payload/orbit" market, but at that point it makes more sense to make an overbuilt Starship-bound sat which still ends up being much cheaper to launch.

>>11708372
>Wormball
Science has gone too far.

>>11708380
If they can build a 50-cubesat deployment platform for Starship and sell it for less than $2 million, they can beat Rocket Labs outright on cost per launch (currently ~$6mil) and five times the payload. That would drop cubesat prevailing rates down to $20k per satellite or so.

>>11708473
A 50-cubesat bus would be such a hilariously small payload on a Starship

>>11708486
Would 500 be possible? That'd get cost down to about $2000/U, at which point individual hobbyists could start launching sats.

>>11708473
>>11708486
>Starship deploying 12,531 6u cube-sats all at once

>>11708493
>and so I pray
>Unlimited Science Works

>>11708486
Modular *xpendable single raptor injector to carry a Starship's worth of various cargo into individual orbits

>>11708491
>tfw /sci/sat is about to become a reality

What should it do bros?

>>11708491
Here's the measurements on the current-iteration payload bay, to inform speculation

>>11708506
It should unfold a huge reflective surface and orient itself to be as bright in the sky as possible, specifically to make journalists mad.

>>11708506
A water tank module with sea monkeys and assorted random items in it. The inside will be live streamed along with stream-chat controlled lights and music.

>>11708508
>>11708493
1U is 10cm^3 so 500U would be 0.5m^3 plus the volume of the deployment platform itself. Totally doable.

>>11708506
>>11708518
>>11708526
Amphibian payload, internal camera, external camera, downlink antenna, parachute, heat shield. Pepe Gagarin needs to orbit the Earth.

>>11708518
Humanity Star II

>>11708527
FUND IT

>tfw retarded brother fell and bit a hole in his lip and has to get surgery on the 27th
>I have to be the one to pick him up during the fucking launch because my boomer parents booked a trip to a hot spring that day
Im gonna fuck them up I swear
Fuck

>>11708560
Bring your phone and watch the stream with him.

Where can I stream OAN?
https://twitter.com/OANN/status/1262474847776419842
They are having a segment of Starlink in about 40 mins, including interviews with the guys who tested Starlink on Air force planes.

>>11708567
There's a >pay option for streaming. They'll probably put it on their YT channel later.
https://www.oann.com/wheretowatch/

>>11708328
>>11708527
>>11708558
I'm loving how 4ASS is taking off. How long until it becomes real?

>>11708527
>1U is 10cm^3 so 500U would be 0.5m^3 plus the volume of the deployment platform itself. Totally doable.
Yeah, if you had a nice and fairly barebones bus, you could do thousands of cubesats in a launch.

>>11708612
Even assuming a 2:1 volume ratio between bus and sats that's still only 3m^3 per thousand cubesats, and the payload volume of Starship is close to 100m^3.

>>11708506
Unfold the solar panels into a big swastika
Also scavenge old space debris

>>11708617
At a certain point, you're just deploying a debris field

>>11708567
seconding this, where the hell is this segment

>>11708591
Once we get people, resources, hardware and a coherent direction
Building a NO2/Propane engine and then a rocket that they can lift is a good first step

>>11708632
The sat could also split to form two 'S's.

>>11708635
The logical extrapolation of this is megacube sats which are 100cm^3 / 133kg each size. You could launch about 300 of them per Starship launch, which is still less than $7k per unit assuming $2M Starship launch costs.

Hey I've been living in a bubble in terms of spaceflight news, what's happening on the 27th?

>>11708591
It's not real until someone builds a sounding rocket.

>>11708658
SpaceX Falcon 9 + Crew Dragon manned test flight to the ISS. President Trump will be in attendance.

>>11708644
I'm about to make some rocket candy for the first time. So there's that.

>>11708328
>>11708591
>4ASS Autism Colonization Team lands on Mars and sets up base
>Team heads out onto utopia planitia
>They run into SpaceX team that landed about the same time
>Argument ensues about first man there
>Eventually agree they get vallius marinaris while we get dibs on Mt. Olympus
>Handshake leads to exchange of reenactment of the colony drop from evangelon for some of Elon's Martian weed
>NASA records all of this
>For the next week, the intercom plays nothing but Bodies and Bring Me To Life over and over again

>>11708673
Cool. I'll be sure to check it out.

>>11708700
Liftoff is scheduled for 4:33pm ET.

>>11708560
shit's gonna get scrubbed though

>>11708693
>>Eventually agree they get vallius marinaris while we get dibs on Mt. Olympus
This actually makes perfect sense. Valles Marineris is better for normie colonization but Mt. Olympus is better for building horrendous orbital mass drivers to either shoot frog probes at the gas giants or tell the Earthers to get off our red, dusty lawns.

>>Handshake leads to exchange of reenactment of the colony drop from evangelon
*gundam

>>11708567
People are salivating for any kinda of Starlink info, so if this forces others to legitimize OAN, fuck it.

>>11708693
>an 4ASS autistronaut races to the RASA (reddit Aeronautics and Space Administration) first manned landing site to steal their flag

>>11708760
>Shia tries leaving the flag on Deimos
>it is immediately stolen and replaced by a used waste bag

Trump confirms he'll be in Florida for DM-2.

>>11708551
I won't say it... you can't make me, Todd

>>11708765
>4ASS becomes infamous for stealing flags from the various space agencies
>known to call people of other agencies as "flaggots"
>their antics resulted in controversy when one autistronaut tries to steal a Chinese flag from the PRC moonbase and was gunned down by the base's automated defenses

>>11708790
>PRC moonbase
I think the President would give us letters of marque at that point. Replacing all their flags with stuffed Pooh bears and painting over their camera lenses would be a good start.

>>11708797
>4ASS builds the Moon Cruiser to raid CCP space bases (and others)
>After replacing their flag with winne the pooh, triggering Xi Jinping greatly, another Chinese orbital base launches an anti torpedo at a Moon cruiser
>It crashes mostly intact in best korea, ready to be reverse engineered
>Kim John Un's feel when

>>11708835
>>Kim John Un's feel when
"I love the smell of hypergolics in the morning. Smells like... victory."

>>11708591
Someone should make mission patches. I would buy several in a heartbeat.

What would be the smallest size for a functioning integrated fast reactor?
Having an onboard nuclear battery would be great for long duration flights, assuming you can shove it in

>>11708835
>the 4ASS Corsairs becomes the most infamous raiders of the lunar sphere
>their operations expanded when they captured some Gè lóng ships (Chinese copies of Starship)
>some say your craft would be less likely to be raided if you painted depictions of frogs on it
>their reign of terror ended when the Space Wolves migrated into the belt
>legends speak that the autistronauts fled deep into the tunnels of Ceres
>same legends say that if you were crossing the belt and placed your ear on your ship's hull, then you could hear the battle screech of the frog corsairs

>>11708850
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/enginelist2.php#snre

>>11708315
The Blackbird is one of the stupidest supersonic design ever to be conceived.
Such a HUGE wing area dragging the plane as fuck...but wait! Is actually corrugated at subsonic, while smooth (giving even more area) at supersonic! All because the fucker needed to land...I mean WTF?,just design a fucking compact airframe and give it the goddamn wings needed. Johnson was truly a hack.

>>11708886
Let's see your mach 3 aircraft design using only 1960's knowledge

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/05/21/spacex-boeing-rivalry-launch/

>Boeing, meanwhile, has continued to struggle. Late last year, its test flight without any astronauts onboard its Starliner spacecraft went terribly awry from the moment it reached orbit. The spacecraft’s onboard computers were off by 11 hours, making the autonomous spacecraft think it was in a different part of the mission. Controllers on the ground had trouble communicating with it.

That just so happens to be within the ballpark of the time difference between India and Florida outside of US DST. UTC-5 to UTC+5:30.

>>11708560
launches are a dime a dozen
and you're too young for your parents to be boomers

>>11708953
boeing's fetish for street shitters is going to be the death of them

>>11708955
>and you're too young for your parents to be boomers
He's not.

t. 30 with late-Boomer parents

When system wide colonization (to the moon and Mars at least) and highly efficient rocket engines (like pulse nuclear or low fusion) are widespread, what would a war between colonies look like with rocket engines such as these? It would seem easy to strap some chaff to a spacecraft with such an engine and a large DeltaV budget, have it speed off towards it's target, release it's chaff, and the cloud of debris hit the target at high velocity. It would seem that there wouldn't be much of a counter to a weapon like this apart from interception, but that can be compensated for by releasing the chaff earlier.

Thoughts, /sfg/? Pic semi-related.

>>11708673
Trump and Pence, the go fever will be high I fear

>>11708963
shitting debris like that fucks everyone over, so it would be criminalized just as hard as nerve gas is today
the rules of war will be to use precision weapons only under pain of everyone ramming pineapples up your ass for kessler'ing shit

>>11708886

>>11708953

>>11708953
OH NO NO NO

>>11708963
I don't think there will be much of a colonial war for quite a while because the US will shoot down colony boosters from countries we don't like (read: China) and everyone else will sign the Artemis Accords. The Accords make territorial claims a private sector thing between companies in space, and so they can be settled in court. The enforcement mechanism is that if you break the rules we can and will lock you out of orbit with interceptor missiles. The only way I see wars happening in space is if Yellowstone erupts and wipes out the US as a major power, or if space colonies become capable of pure autarky and never need to send back to Earth for anything. That second option is a real possibility if Blue Onanism ever gets their shit together and spins up O'Neill Cylinders because Amazon would shift all its supply chains off world ASAP - Bezos sees the future of Earth as basically a nature preserve and cultural museums while all the heavy industry happens in space.

>>11708953
POO

IN

CODE

>>11708953
>It's true
Jesus fucking christ Boing....

AYO HOL UP

>>11708953
It was the time that the computers started up, they never set the MET clock at launch.
But then they did poo-tier things like "it's been more than five hours, time to start doing course corrections in fine mode!" Whereupon the maneuvering engines started doing a fucking bogaloo and a couple of them failed to overheating. I think one even failed to start at all. Just watch that faggot dance.

>>11709022
>It was the time that the computers started up, they never set the MET clock at launch.
Nah, this smells like a time zone issue. I've seen this exact kind of bullshit cause midday service outages in production at work when unfucking poocode.

>>11709036
with poos you lose

>>11708315
"Hot, fast, and leaking between the legs."

i read on cnn we gonna launch a rocket or something in a few days, super awesome bros

finally we're going back to space, so hyped

>>11709093
Fuck off normalfag

>>11709095
i'll pretend you didnt say that

>>11709095
Imagine being so degenerated and sick that you hate “normal” people.

just don't reply to it
redditors wither and die when denied attention

>>11708498
hilarious to me that people use the weed thing against him when he didn't even know it was weed.

>>11708506
bright solar panel swastika, spy sat that sends intel outside solar system.

>>11709159
watcha mean.... Joe asked him if he'd smoked a joint. ELon said yes, but Elon didnt even inhale much

>>11708526
those poor sea people

>>11709095
Check the website you're on anon, it's built around the idea we the users are some autistic faggots having a hard time fitting in the society. (That's why there is a fascination for the Orion project)

>>11709167
right after he did it he asked what was in it. Pretty clear miscommunication. Re watch it.

Ita gonna suck right?
Also I truly cant believe where just days away from the launch, the future truly is looking bright

>>11709171

https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI?t=7801

no, you rewatch it... Elon even ask before... watcha mean lil homie?

>>11709185
its a movie made by leftists about something big bad orange man did
you don't really need to guess

>>11709189
it's a tv show

>>11708719
>Mt. Olympus is better for building horrendous orbital mass drivers to either shoot frog probes at the gas giants or tell the Earthers to get off our red, dusty lawns.
So like a fortified New World port in the 1700s, sending loot back home, missions further out, and enemies to their deaths? I can dig it. Frogs? Hell, with the initial dV of a mass driver the size of Olympus Mons you could probably make manned magsail ships work for Ceres, Jupiter, and Saturn missions (not photon sails because they can't brake on Jupiter's magnetic field), and then "tack into the wind" to get home, with either RTGs or LEU cermet reactors for electricity and a few RCS thrusters.
>4ASS become Martian space pirates, sailing the sea of void
>SpaceX becomes the local islanders living in the valley
>trading the bounty of the outer system for food, women, and drives full of anime smuggled from Earth

It almost makes me wish Lovecraft was right about Pluto, because strapping big rocks to SRBs and dropping them on the Mi-Go would be remembered for ten thousand years.

>>11709187
Re watch it nigger

>>11709194

low genetic potential confirmed, im guessing you have brown eyes or something?

>>11709195
>lil homie

>>11709191
It will be watched soley because "lol its like the office."

I'm getting kind of ticked off with a lot of anti space force people not understanding how vital our assets in space are, and just how much military hardware is up there, or how were "militarizing space" like get fucking real.

>>11709191
oh god oh fuck, that's even worse

We doing a dedicated thread for the launch?

>>11709185
I think it’s going to end up pro Space Force by the end of the season. Its really shitty timing to drop it so soon after the X37b launch let alone the week of Demo2 hype if they want it to be antiSpace propaganda for normies. Then again Netflix is the SciFi center of the universe right now so they might be based and trying to drown it before it takes off.

>>11709185
the USSF is doing fine so far-the artemis accords are the exact opposite of militarizing space. holywood is just soulless and incapable of accepting change.

of all the things trump has done, creating the space force is probably the most forward thinking. lumping space stuff within the Air Force is nonsensical in the long run.

>>11708982
based analysis

>>11709203
>I'm getting kind of ticked off with a lot of anti space force people not understanding how vital our assets in space are, and just how much military hardware is up there, or how were "militarizing space" like get fucking real.
It's literally just reflexive ORANGE MAN BAD hate. Trump wants it so it must be wrong.

>>11709255
>united states
>a croat, a german, a south african

I found a NASA paper by Zubrin on magsails. Some of it is a little over my head but the bits about performance are super rad.

http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/320Zubrin.pdf

>>11709309
zubrin is the man, if based jim is out in the new admin he is my #1 pick as a replacement.

https://youtu.be/vD3U0QcEYXs

>>11709306
Its almost like the United States can't do anything without competent whites from other places.

>>11709407
I'll happily accept that.

I just finished reading the Zubrin magsail paper. Money quote:
>We therefore recommend that the development of magsail technology be aggressively pursued.

Also note that the proposed magsail uses a stupid amount of energy moving between Earth and Mars relative to between Mars and the outer planets, and not even much faster than chemical rockets except the ability to ignore launch windows. Starting from Mars orbit would seem to be the sweet spot for exploring outward.

>>11709452
>Zubrin thinks that HTS are just around the corner

Has he lost it bros? Has decades of being cucked by NASA faggots finally broken him?

>>11709306
>Noooooo why do successful smart people keep moving to America

Probably because it’s the best

>>11709203
Militarizing things is cool. Why would anyone be bothered by it except dumbass pacifists?

>>11709469
1. This is 20 years old
2. With proper shielding and radiators you can absolutely use existing HTS in space.

Anon...did you think this relied on ROOM-temperature superconductors?

>>11709490
>existing HTS

Literally don't exist. YBCO is your closest and it requires liquid nitrogen cooling, not "high temperature"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWO0--tfJ60&feature=youtu.be

>>11709218
>>11709189
>>11709203
>>11709255

apparently the producers didn't know the space force was going to be a real thing when they started working on the show
of course they could be just trying to avoid any controversy by saying that but benefit of the doubt and all that

>>11709496
YBCO works at ambient space temperatures. This is addressed in the paper.

>>11709511
Until it heats up and needs cooling, with liquid nitrogen.

>>11708790
>head to apollo eleven site
>draw a frog on the bleached USA flag

>>11709514
Not necessarily anon, a heat pipe and radiator system that uses phase-change heat exchange could work just fine, and has big advantages in durability and simplicity.

>>11709519
You have no idea what you are taking about.

>>11709255
Did he even come up with the idea? It probably was just some proposal he picked up that was probably in the pipeline for a while now.

>>11709549
A lot of what he's done is shit we should've done decades ago if we had Presidents that weren't actively trying to destroy the country. I suspect the Space Force was in that pile. He gets associated with it because he was pushing it at rallies for years, selling Space Force campaign merch before it was official, and even his inaugural address promised American footprints on distant worlds.

>>11708859
Open cycle gas core reactor masterrace

>>11709549
He did claim it was his idea during the initial speech but it was during his usual post script waffling about what a great idea it was.

Trump is absolutley based and i really hope he gets reelected.

>>11709255
There's also a depressingly high number of retards who believe that "Space Force" means "space marines", when it basically means "bureaucratic reorganization".

>>11709565
Considerably more theoretical than rotating detonation engines.

>>11709635
Launching the odd spy satellite or unmanned X37-B mission.
Exciting stuff, truly.

>>11709635
Shareblue shill detected, god emperor trump is going to build epic space battleships and drop troops to crush the enemies of Israel

USA
USA
USA

>>11708644
>>11708663
Throwing Rockoons in here. This might actually be the correct application for one.

>>11708644
I'm planning on building a 60% H2O2/Kerosene rocket this summer, with 10-20kg of thrust (depends on what pressure in the chamber I manage to achieve), electrical pump feeding, using gasoline pumps from a regular car and a motorcycle battery to power them. If this works it'd be fucking neat. No need to pressurise tanks for sea level ops (I plan on installing a couple of intakes) and eventually you can evolve the design through the use of better pumps.

>>11709647

>>11709658
Or China. China's going hardcore with all-things-anti-America deflection and distraction right now.

Any detailed crew dragon labelled pic trying to prepare myself for the launch

>>11709658
If by reddit you mean /ptg/ then yes

>>11709673
Imagine thinking an obvious satire post mocking retarded magapedes is a chink shill post, the absolute state of (you)

>>11709675
You're not fooling anyone, leftypol. Begone.

>>11709681
How do you even manage to breathe

>>11709681
Sorry mate this isn't /pol/, you can leave now.

>>11709036
This was revealed months ago, the clock started at 00:00 when the capsule powered up, just like the blinking 12:00 on a VCR (if you're not a zoomer), and they never fucking set the clock during the launch sequence. It was powered up on the pad 11 or so hours before launch and thought it was already at T+11:00:00, give or take a few minutes.
I know poos are a fucking menace to reliable code, but time zones don't get set by who wrote the code, and space stuff uses UTC anyhow. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Thankyou anon who posted the MOOCs in the previous threads
I'm doing these two now
https://www.edx.org/course/space-mission-design-and-operations
https://www.edx.org/course/engineering-the-space-shuttle
It's free unless you need a "certificate"

>>11709643
Yeah, mainly because it's impossible to test without microgravity.
I guess they could try using a plane doing parabolic dives but people would lose their shit about the exhaust pumping out into the atmosphere.
Still it has a lot of merit and is within the realm of current engineering.

>>11709255
>Tesla
wtf does muh wireless ennergee man have to do with space?
>>11709502
>apparently the producers didn't know the space force was going to be a real thing when they started working on the show
I think that makes it even funnier. But the name of a show is one of the things that can be changed at the last minute, so if it was "Space Guard", they probably would have changed the name.
And there is plenty of absurdity in anything that has to do with government contracts. If you haven't watched Deal of the Century, go find it.

>>11709170
>ywn have a coca-cola sponsored nukie

>>11709203
I agree with >>11709218 It'll start as a satire blowing up rockets and stuff 'lol that's expensive', but by the end they'll be cool and respected etc, could be pretty good

>>11709306
Yes.

Space Shuttle
>designed by mostly white men

SpaceX
>diverse

Maybe /pol/ has been lying to me and diversity *is* a good thing

>>11709922
The shuttle was a failure because of DOD requiring it to carry sattilites to orbit in one orbit which required the boosters and fuel tank, along with LH2 meme fuel and aluminum hull
The original concepts weren’t bad, it got fucked by funding requirements and lack of innovation on designer’s part

>>11709922
>SpaceX
>>diverse
News flash: despite all the beaner welders, SpaceX stuff is still designed by mostly white men.

>>11709935
If that's true,
When DoD stopped using shuttle after challenger why didn't NASA go back to the original concept?

>>11709944
Lots of women on the design team though (see promo vids).
Can we put the /pol/ meme to rest that gender diversity is bad?

>>11709948
Far too expensive
Shuttle only got off the drawing board because the DoD funded it in the first place, so they were stuck

>>11709957
Can't we keep the /pol/ meme on /pol/? We don't want the thread shitted by /pol/tards of ANY kind.

>>11709959
They should've evolved the design instead instead of having the same thing for 40 years.
40 YEARS.
At what point do you go "this shuttle meme doesn't make economic sense maybe we should start with a clean sheet".
There wasn't a single American scientist who saw that there was a problem?

Maybe it's just white men scratching each others back that they kept this scam going on for so long.

>>11709805
Pentagon wars is a way better film about the same topic.

>>11708854
>4ASS gets /g/ and /pol/ retards to make an AI
>POL-9000 immediately mechanizes Ceres into a factory
>miner ships start destroying large asteroids to mine smaller chunks
>space wolves fly in
>small warrior ships come in and shoot most of them down
>a few survive
>POL-9000 decides to built itself remote bodies that mock the space wolves by having a canine-like visage
>its first words are...
>I AM SINISTAR

>>11709998
Nobody else cares about your shitty forced meme. Keep /pol/ out of /sfg/ kplx. We get enough of it from cross-boarder retards already.

>>11710005
>satirical meme poking fun at /pol/ by making up an AI that only spews racism and antisemitism in space while stranding those it doesn't deem right enough
>WUUUUUUUH GO BACK TO /POL/
>you

>>11709998

Why have they made a rocket that can't fly through clouds?

>>11709496
>YBCO is your closest and it requires liquid nitrogen cooling
That classifies it as a high temperature superconductor, anon. Most superconductors don't work at temperatures in the double digit kelvin.

>>11709514
Why would it heat up if it's at ambient space temperature and has zero electrical resistance, anon

>>11709935
This. The original shuttle concepts were startlingly similar to Starship/Super Heavy, with the only difference being that they relied on piloted horizontal landings for booster and orbiter recovery because we didn't have the processing power to pull off vertical powered landings yet.

>>11709975
>Maybe it's just white men scratching each others back that they kept this scam going on for so long.
I think it's more to do with a fear that if they were to push for a serious Shuttle upgrade/replacement, then Congress would just cancel the Shuttle without a successor in the works. It already kinda happened when the Shuttle did finally end.

>>11709922

The backbone of US innovation is the brain-drain of the rest of the world's best and brightest

>>11710223
This is why private spaceflight is 100x better, you don't have to worry about congress critters.

>>11709635
I want space marines

>>11710247
same

>>11709922
SLS
>shilled for NASA's duhvurshitty programs
>never flies
Hmmmmm.

>>11710247
For what? They would do nothing 24/7.

>>11710338
SLS is an american source of pride and the symbol of what american companies that care about our country and create jobs for all kinds of people here

>>11710354
>For what?

Shooting stuff in space. We need to be prepared to deal with any hostile aliens, smugglers, or insurgents.

>>11710354
raiding ch*nkoid stations and unhooking their radiators for keks

>>11710354
>For what?
At first? To perform manned satellite interdictions, and to pretend to be trying to stop the Frog Corsairs to cover up that the US is funding them. Later? In an actual and noble fight against the Space Wolves.

Why not land Starship like the Shuttle?

>>11710385
>Space Wolves?!
>FUUUCKING FURRIEEEESSSS!!!

>>11710387
Mars and Luna don't have runways just yet

>>11710354
Obviously for manned attacks on enemy materiel in space. And rapid deployment across the globe.

>>11710387
what do you gain from that?
pros:
>can land on earth with less fuel even though that's not an issue, it has enough fuel
cons:
>the huge and heavy fucking wings lower the performance of the vehicle by a lot
>completely useless on every planet and moon except earth

>>11710385
>In an actual and noble fight against the Space Wolves
When the space frogs are stuck in Ceres, the only way to fight the space wolves is something like pic related
If only POL-9000 would stop calling everyone jewish

>>11710387
Cons
>heavier structure and wings
>aerodynamic reentry involves more heating since a stable 90 degree angle of attack can't be accomplished with a fixed wing design
>would need huge runway to land instead of small pad that can be built from scratch in two weeks
>more complex landing gear which need to penetrate through heat sheild
>can't land like that on Mars or the Moon, because there aren't any runways but more importantly there's too little air (0.6% and 0% Earth atmospheres) to allow horizontal landing

Pros
>????
>nothing

>>11709922
>SpaceX
>>diverse

>>11710391
>be me smuggler
>due to Martian cultural independence laws, any non-martian media is banned
>some of the wealthy Martians pay top credits for memes from Terra
>super easy to smuggle and pays well
>meet my contact in a tunnel on Deimos to drop of a data stick of frog drawings
>he acting weird
>ask him whats up
>he laughs really weirdly and says "haven't been sleeping well ooOoo"
>totally bought that
>about to bail on him
>get surrounded by tall figures with guns
>they're wearing wolf suits
>all_of_my_wat.png
>"you've been quite the naughty puppy smuggling around, but you can do some naughty things for us owo?"
>tell them to fuck off and if they want my services then they have to contact me by the usual channels and pay me
>"oh we're not interested in paying you. >:3"
>one of them starts walking towards me
>holding a wolf headpiece
>the hole end is facing towards me
>mrw

>>11710425
and now NASA

>>11710431
NASA employs tens of thousands.
That's just one of the special events they have.

>>11710431
Women are gross

>>11710105
Not sure why it even matters in space but yeah liquid N2 is home garage tier superconductivity.

>>11710433

>>11710482
>Picking cherries

Kys

DM2 Map

>>11710501
I wonder how many americans will realize in two days that:
1.americans have been riding on basedus for a decade now.
2.spaceX excists and what they actually do.
3.NASA is a shitshow and SLS a scam.
Last one will probably not be picked up by MSM because you now why.

In an interview earlier today, NASA deputy administrator Jim Morhard said there are no technical issues going into today’s Launch Readiness Review.

But weather is a concern

>>11710501
benis and bagina

>>11710542
Probably very few new ones since space flight is still a very niche interest. There's still lots of people who aren't even aware that SpaceX can land rockets.

>>11710551
Spaceflight is dumb. Spend money on welfare instead

>>11710546
if they do scrub it, we'll have to wait until saturday

>>11710568
You know they're gonna wait for goldilocks conditions for the first launch, right? No guarantee Saturday is a go either.

>>11710571
I know, but you didn't have to say it out loud

>>11710563
kys

>>11710568
Wait, why would they have to wait until Saturday? ISS orbit syncing or something?

>>11710542
word filter translated s o yuz to basedus.
Kek.

Which is the superior location for a Moon space station? L1, L2, HALO, or low orbit?

>>11710592
That and weather conditions.

>>11710594
Only if you misspell it.

>>11710594
Capitalize it properly like you should with names in the first place and it goes through like so - Soyuz.
Wordfilters are dumb though, especially shit moot left in just before he fucked off.

>>11710597
Low orbit or L1 for general use. L2 for radio telescopes if you're allergic to moon dust. HALO if you want to farm grants.

>>11710597
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_orbit#Lunar_frozen_orbits

>>11710611
> [There are] a number of 'frozen orbits' where a spacecraft can stay in a low lunar orbit indefinitely. They occur at four inclinations: 27°, 50°, 76°, and 86°"—the last one being nearly over the lunar poles.

86° frozen orbit for access to lunar polar mining station

>>11710614
Too practical. We need an orbit to unnecessarily complicate lunar operations so we can ask for more money from the government. That's just how it works.

>>11710546
>But weather is a concern
Saturn V launched while rain was pouring and survived 2 lightning strikes, minutes withing each other. What kind of pussy shit is this?

>>11709407
thats the point of the US. its a place where people theoretically can reach the maximum potential equal to the amount of work theyre willing to put in. sometimes people can't do that wherever they lived before

>>11710643
There was an actual race going on then. We're now racing against safety cucks.

>>11710643
Falcon 9 is smaller and NASA suffers from PTSD when it comes to launch weather after Challenger.

I bet Starship will launch in a hurricane.

are there any commercial sats that aren't telecommunications or imagery?

>>11710706
Yep. Here's a photon-sail demonstration satellite over South America.

>>11710431
Women aren't bad with academics

>>11710774
Woman are better at absorbing data then men.
Men are better at applying it.
Call me a retard or whatever, but it's just the way it is.

>>11710789
Women are better at nothing they are disgusting parasites

Virgin Orbit's carrier 747 Cosmic Girl just left the runway. Actual launch of Launcher One in about an hour.

>>11710789
This is proof that women penetrating men is literally a crime against nature. Women taketh, men giveth.
>>11710795
Stop confusing women with jews

>>11710803
Link for stream?

>>11710803
Stream?

>>11710795
>>11710816
lmao

>>11710546
I love that photo, is there a higher res copy?

>>11710821
They aren't streaming it. They're afraid of stocks dropping even further if it fails in any way.

>>11710821
>>11710835
No stream because they don't want to catch anything going wrong with the launch which would tank the stock price of Virgin Galactic and the shares that Richard Branson has been trying to sell. Fuck V*rgin.

They have entered the auto-sequence countdown. Ten minutes to go!

>>11710835
I love that the 747 has seen so much aerospace use. First, carrying the Shuttles between landing and launch sites, and now making use of the hard-point for carrying spare engines to carry an orbital rocket instead! That plane had a really robust design.

>>11710951

>>11710951
I'm just pissed Lockheed isn't making any more Tristars. This bad boy is the only one left flying. They should really start up again now that Boing! has flushed all their customer trust down the shitter.

>>11710965
Oh yeah! AND a high-altitude observatory! I forgot that was also a 747, thanks for the reminder.

>>11710970
They are still available, but if this launch is successful (any second now!) Virgin will eat their lunch: three times the capability for a third the price.

>>11710974
I meant the Lockheed L-1011 airliner, not the Pegasus rocket it's boosting.

It was dropped a couple minutes ago, and no further word...

https://twitter.com/Virgin_Orbit/status/1265008105714155520
>We've confirmed a clean release from the aircraft. However, the mission terminated shortly into the flight. Cosmic Girl and our flight crew are safe and returning to base.
F

>>11710951
Why did Boing! stop selling them again?

>>11710986
F
What happened?

>>11710986
Fuck, what a shame.

>>11710986
RIP

>>11710992
Don't think there's any more information or footage yet.

Damn they have the worst luck with space flight

>>11710986
Sad,but not surprising-the first time a rocket goes up it generally has a 50/50 chance of success.

Hopefully they try again in the next few months.

>>11710247

>>11710986
F*ck

>>11710431
poor Tyrone

>>11710988
They still sell them, but they don't fit well with the business model that many airlines have adopted recently. 747s are optimized for flying from hub to hub, but airlines now (or at least pre-corona) have begun flying longer-range flights from smaller airports with smaller planes. The A380 flopped for the same reason, but the 747 has the advantage of having a freighter version. Probably won't last much longer though.

>>11710986
Lmao
>>11711003
>luck
If that's what you want to call it. Virgin is a meme company, they care more about appearance than actually being competent at what they do. You should have realized this when they partnered with fucking Under Armor to make spacesuits.

>>11710431
>These people are responsible for your life safety in the ISS and totally won't buckle under pressure in an emergency

>>11711026
>this jacket is too warm
>my feet hurt
>these bitches too basic
>i wish i was at home talkin jive and drinking malt liquor

>>11711006
Everything is 50/50, it either happens or it doesn't.

>>11711030
Apollo space suits were made by a company that previously made bras and corsets

>>11710951
I got to see the Shuttle on SCA once. It got over-nighted at Kelly AFB and was double-delayed for bad weather at KSC, so about 10-11AM. I was a (software) contractor at Brooks AFB, and the whole office went outside to watch it. It did a bank to the left right in front of us, pretty cool. I think it was either Endeavor or Atlantis, but I don't know which, and never could find any log records of the Kelly-to-KFC flights.

>>11711040
There was also a version of that pic with Tyrone memory-holed.
>>11710986
The chad Crew Dragon vs the virgin Virgin.

>>11711059
The difference is that it's 60 years after Apollo and Virgin had companies with actual experience manufacturing spacesuits to choose from but they went with Under Armor because it was better marketing for them.

>>11710402
>Obviously for manned attacks on enemy materiel in space
You are aware that this shit will never happen right, drones are increasingly more and more of a presence in warfare, they'll be the ones fighting in space, the armed forces are moving to automate more and more of warfare in all fields

>10 years making a rocket
>fails seconds into flight

A Virgin having first-time performance issues? you don't say

>>11711108
>Muh drones

Never happening lol

>>11711154
Dassault nEUROn, BAE Taranis, it's happening

>>11711160
just light that bitch already, fucking safetycucks

>>11711169
>Star wars BS

Lol
Humans are superior to stupid robots and always will be

>>11710643
Falcon is a pretty fragile vehicle.
Plus they need perfect weather conditions on the pad, above the pad, at the landing site and above and actually most of the area in between in case of an abort.

>>11711026
Judging by his appearance, he's probably one of those black weeb nerds who'd enjoy DBZ and shit a lot, but are also fairly brainy.

>>11711191
how robust are ULA and russian rockets in comparison?
is SLS going to be just as fragile?

>>11711160
it's almost all storm stuff
basically just light the candle if there is no risk of a thunderstorm

https://twitter.com/Virgin_Orbit/status/1265023835478175745
>LauncherOne maintained stability after release, and we ignited our first stage engine, NewtonThree. An anomaly then occurred early in first stage flight. We'll learn more as our engineers analyze the mountain of data we collected today.
Picture is the current status of the second rocket.

i guess after reusability, the next feature rocket companies are going to try to bludgeon each other over is all weather launch capability

>>11710643
lightning almost fucked up a Saturn V launch though

>>11711232
18m starship cannot come soon enough
Just bludgeon the sky into submission

>>11711241
>There are things you can't fight - acts of God. You see a hurricane coming, you get out of the way. But when you're in a Starship, suddenly you can finally fight the hurricane. You can win.

>>11711230
Bleh, that twitter feed is all corporate marketing and damage control. It makes me appreciate SpaceX even more.

>>11711190
doesn't matter if you have a shitload of robots

>>11711232
don't ICBMs already have that feature?

>>11711268
ICBMs aren't usually built to the autistic edge-of-failure margins that most launch vehicles are built to.

>>11711241
>GigaStarship
>I am the hurricane

>>11711280
>be me
>Hurricane Stacy
>slam the Texan coast because typhoon Chad didn't send a single warm air current to me today
>come studdering incel on top of a giant dildo stands in the way
>it launches
>the sheer force of its BRAAAAPS starts dissipating me
>his reaction when I fade away

>>11711276
Soyuz laughs at you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKx87zc5lsg&t=301s

>>11711276
That's because "lol just add more SRB volume to offset the strengthened shell" is a viable strategy for ICBM design.

>>11711241
she's gonna be thicc

>>11711302
Soyuz was built by the most robust gopniks after recovering an ancient Soviet STC containing the schematic of the rocket.

>>11709306
this, lmao

>>11711312
Anyone wanna give a ballpark estimate as to what inclement weather the 18m Starship can launch in?

What if the rocket blows up? Will this finally be the end of the Musk circus?

>>11711087
Kek why?

>>11711332
>What if the rocket blows up?
The the capsule will peel off from the rocket and carry the crew to safety. Later, SpaceX would probably have to ground the Falcon 9 for a while to figure out what went wrong. Boing may have a chance to take the lead again in the meantime.

>Will this finally be the end of the Musk circus?
lol no.

>>11711339
This, falcon 9 is already well under way to become the workhorse of nasa&army.

Look at this bullshit, 60% probability of violating weather constraints for the Demo-2 launch on Wednesday.

>>11711345
This, Falcon 9 has been rated for the X-37B unmanned spaceplane for ages and first carried it in 2017. Those aren't cheap.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/09/spacex-first-x-37b-launch-falcon-9/

>>11711209
>is SLS going to be just as fragile?
If not even more so.

>>11711149
Ol' musky's first rocket flopped 3 times in a row,they almost went bankrupt.

>>11711351
Where's the image, someone post it, you know the one.

https://www.retalt.eu/>
>budget
>3 million
Well thats a fucking joke.

>>11709322
Zubrin is an absolutely awful pick for administrator. He's spent 30 fucking years dying on his Mars Direct hill, and he's become stuck. Even when you show him a new way (Starship) he needs to find a hill to die on.

>>11709922
it's entirely a political thing
politically mandated diversity: bad
simple meritocratic diversity: good

>>11711209
>>11711355
It’s called the fineness ratio, Falcon 9 has a high fineness ratio and therefore, is more susceptible to poor weather than other rockets. The longer and thinner a rocket, the higher the fineness ratio; F9 has had it’s tanks stretched multiple times without it’s diameter being widened, which has caused this situation.

>>11711403
>tfw black and into tech
>tfw stay out of the limelight because everyone will assume I'm token
check your privilege

>>11711232
I can agree with that, being able to plan your launches without worrying about weather would help with planning and predictability
That or recovery of second stage

>>11711418
Nice larp but we all know that niggers don't have the intelligence to post on 4chan.

>>11711336
Wrong bits in his pants for the photo op. Who cares that what he was working on might have been important.

>>11708975
>so it would be criminalized just as hard as nerve gas is today
so it would happen all the time

>>11711351
>Saturday and Sunday are the backup windows
>Friday is looking like the best day to do the launch
JUST

>>11711433
>be Ariane Spes Murene
>in the trenches of Luna during the the Great Solar War
>fighting has come to a stalemate
>the DLR uses hyper velocity chaff for the first time
>mrw

ABORT

LAUNCH

IS

A

NO

GO

>>11711427
This is one of the dumbest places on the Internet

>>11710542
>NASA is a shitshow
The DM2 launch wouldn’t exist without NASA. SpaceX is a glorified gov contractor. Thier are no gov contractors without the gov.

>>11711370
Which is why it’s better just to attempt launches rather than waste time testing in a warehouse

>>11711467
Just because spacex got cash from them doesn't mean NASA isn't a pathetic shitshow.

Why is it that Boeing has failed to do a quarter of what SpaceX has done when Boeing has much more resources and capital available to them?

NASA pre-Launch News briefing is live, in case anyone is interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-vT5mx65Ig

>>11711480
>Why is it that Boeing has failed
>Boeing
You answered your own question.

>>11711477
NASA has it’s fair share of retardation, but they also are able to do shit no one else can even dream of accomplishing.

>>11711480
see
>>11708953

>>11711480
You can't pour more money into bad practise and make it good. It just magnifies the excess.

>>11711302
Soyuz was built as an ICBM

>>11711487
Human spaceflight is the only relevant metric and NASA has done fuck all to advance that since the 60s.

>>11711487
Is that false color? I didn't remember any bright blue spots from the New Horizons pics.

>>11711351
It's rainy as fuck in miami, and it's moving up. Had to move my car cause the stormdrains are at capacity.

>>11711487
There's potential for a Joker edit

>>11711498
here

>>11711510
Thanks. The first one was definitely prettier but it's nice to know what things actually look like.

>>11711510
This really was the best moment in spaceflight of the 10s. Fuck, remember sitting in front of my laptop watching the livestream of the flyby. Not to mention the little grey dot get bigger and bigger as LORRI took photos every day.

>>11708315
The Yellow Jackets

>>11711230
>"fuck it, we'll test in prod!"

>>11711520
>This really was the best moment in spaceflight of the 10s.
And yet scientists insist that cameras are pointless on spacecraft while wondering why so few people are interested in their dinky probes.

>>11711525
Now that cost to orbit is falling sharply that will change.

Who do you guys think has the best chances to become a rising player in spaceflight by the middle of the century? Does Putin manage to fix Russia? Europe gets its shit together? Some MENA country decides to use space to diversify away from oil?

>>11711528
Bezos, China, and Musk

>>11711528
New Zealand space super power by 2030

>>11711533
Yeah, I mean that's obvious. I'm talking about more niche nations/organizations. China Musk and Bezos are gonna be well established by then

>>11711510
Pluto is a great-looking and unique place. It pains me when people share clickbaity false color images as if true color isn't good enough.

>>11711528
>Who do you guys think has the best chances to become a rising player in spaceflight by the middle of the century?
Private companies and nations like India and China
>Does Putin manage to fix Russia?
Putin seems to be fine with the current way Russia is going, so i don't see him "fixing" anything
>Europe gets its shit together?
No
>Some MENA country decides to use space to diversify away from oil?
Doubt it, they started to try and diversify from oil now, but i don't know if they'll see space as the investment to make, they seem more interested in finances from what i've seen, unless someone from one of the royal families decide to put money on space industry

>>11711528
I see countries with their own space program licensing SpaceX technology to do their own shit.

When we built the F-35, we did so much technology sharing with our allies that the Japanese could make their own with barely any help from us.

I picture the EU, Japan, and the UK all setting up their own production lines for Starship and using the technology to do their own shit in space, or to get their own dudes and projects to American colonies on the moon and Mars.

Maybe India if they're nice to us.

https://twitter.com/BrewCityChaser/status/1265027257799770114

>>11711536
based and, dare i say, redpilled

>>11711549

>>11711549
Is there a reason they did this test on Memorial Day> What a downer for the team

>>11711536
Based

>>11711544
Putin still isn't happy, very worried about the russia after he is gone. Russia is still quite the dark horse.

>>11711547
This would be cool. Especially with starship you could see lots of countries getting into space. UAE has a bit of a space program going on. The issue would be a lack of spaceports. Maybe the on the west side of the Arabian desert, near Mecca and Jeddah. Would be quite the statement for them.

anyone have a link to that OANN starlink thing?

>>11711544
Russia is shit

>>11710970
Goddamn trijets are beautiful. And the L-1011 is the most beautiful of the trijets.
It's a shame Lockheed doesn't make civilian aircraft anymore.

>dude in New Mexico claims to have created aerogel based insulation for superconductors
>writes paper with UNM engineering prof about using it to make solenoids (helical magnets) for compact space propulsion
>claims indefinite acceleration of >2g is possible with sub-MW inputs due to solar wind MHD fuckery
>superconducting solenoid creating free energy from the sun
>S2 engine
Eva memes aside does the math check out?

http://www.marspapers.org/paper/Davidson_2017_3.pdf

>>11711547
Starship is the first in a whole new generation of rocket technology. Eventually someone else will find out how to built something similar. SpaceX better make the best use of their lead while it lasts.

Did the knight blunder the ASAT

>>11711480
Poor employee and administrative culture.

>>11711612
*poo-er

>>11711605
the real advancement is the production line, not the starship itself.

Would my AR-15 work on Mars?

>>11711624
Yeah, but it'll overheat quickly. You're gonna need a space lewis gun or a gyrojet, anon.

>>11711624
your zero and BDC would be fucked

>>11711615
The Raptor is almost as important. Without its performance characteristics the Starship design can't work.

>>11711624
Yes, or in hard vacuum. The primer is the oxidizer, so it doesn't depend on atmospheric oxygen to ignite. You'd need to fix your sights for different gravity and air resistance levels, so you'd probably want a holosite with an embedded computer rather than traditional glass or irons.

>>11711594
>does the math check out?
probably not

>>11711594
Sounds like bullshit

>>11711594
I'm just going to assume it doesn't because it lacks an accompanying conservation law. "It doesn't break CoE!" does not count. Show your work or gtfo.

SpaceX confirms all systems GO:

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1265059286742269953

>>11711637
Raptor is one of the best thrusters ever made in terms of thrust, ISP, and cost combined as far as I know

>>11711520
Same

>>11711637
>The Raptor is almost as important. Without its performance characteristics the Starship design can't work effectively for missions beyond LEO
LEO-only Starship would be perfectly viable using Merlin 1D tier propulsion, ie an exceptionally good hydrocarbolox gas generator engine or an average staged combustion engine using pretty much any bipropellant.

>>11711520
This and the MSL landing

>>11711528
Russia will collapse along with the rest of the oil industry in the next 10-30 years and their rocket scientists will make icbms for whatever antagonistic shithole hasn‘t been turned into glass by that point. Actually Russian spaceflight itself is already on the ropes now even without Russia as a whole crumbling. Corruption has crippled their future projects and now SpaceX is eating their lunch.

I wish Europe would get its head out of its ass.
But Germany has grown fat and lazy in its midst, brits are punching out and most of the mediteranian and balkans seem to only be interested in how much money they can siphon while still blaming the EU for all their problems.
I don‘t see a way that anyone could put a space plan forward and then actually go on to get it consistent funding. I dunno. Maybe they will succeed in making a Falcon 9 clone for 10 times the development budget by pooling 20 years of shoestring budget. Who knows. Doesn‘t matter. Won‘t get us off of this rock.

I guess China might just keep brute forcing big space achievements with its basic hypergolics by simply continuing to throw money at it. We‘ll see if they‘ll manage to steal a more worthwhile propulsion method from somewhere eventually. Maybe they‘ll steal reusability too.

Blue Origin is impossible to predict right now. We‘ll see once they actually reached orbit and stuck a landing again. Could be huge. But as slow as they are moving, it‘s hard to believe it would amount to much in the grand scheme of things.

Why do so many anons here say liquid hydrogen is a bad propellant?

>>11711665
it's smol molecule

>>11711665
Because Elon said so.

>>11711646
>all systems
Who cares about the systems when the weather is gonna fuck it up?

>>11711665
It's great, for vacuum stages.
It makes no fucking sense for first stage due to FUCK HUGE tank requirements.

>>11711665
It introduces a lot of headaches for mediocre performance gains. And the performance gains actually aren‘t even completely real because you can just jam more propellant into your rocket with other propulsion technologies, something you don‘t see when you‘re only looking at ISP numbers.

>>11711547
>UK
I would fucking kill for this to happen

>>11711624
mostly

>>11711665
Low density, leaky, expensive to work with. Has no real advantages for a launch stage and its high ISP is countermanded by high dry mass.

>>11711700
> Has no real advantages for a launch stage and its high ISP is countermanded by high dry mass.

To what extent? A fuel tank with a higher ISP propellant could have less delta/v than a fuel tank with a lower ISP propellant if the mass ratio is worse enough, but is this the case with hydrogen?

>>11711693
>destroy economy with brexit
>dear of economy making spaceships
nazis are funny

>>11711665
As propellant for a vacuum nuclear thermal engine it's fucking great. As propellant for a sea level chemical rocket it's pants on head retarded. The Delta IV Heavy uses LH2 and is something like twice the volume of the Falcon Heavy for half the payload.

>>11711705
Look at the Space Shuttle. The main engines and big orange tank were for hydrogen, but they sucked so very hard at sea level that the Shuttle needed solid boosters to get off the ground.

>>11711724
the same wouldn't have made it all the way to orbit without hydrogen isp though

Don't take the bait, do not respond to this idiot:
>> 11711711

>>11711594
lol is this a joke?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/magnetic-sail#/

>>11711724
>As propellant for a vacuum nuclear thermal engine it's fucking great.

I'm not 100% sure I used the tools right for this check, but that doesn't appear to be true either. If you just eat the ISP losses of methane, you get way more Delta-V with the same tankage volume, to the point that if you're actually building something worth putting a nuclear engine on, it makes no sense to use hydrogen.

>>11711740
If methane is this wonder fuel how comes no-one used it before?

>>11711742
IIRC, methane was seen as the "worst of both worlds" of kerosene and hydrogen. Not as efficient as hydrogen, cryogenic, less thrust than kerosene. The lack of coking wasn't seen as an advantage since reusable rockets weren't a thing back then.

>>11711742

>>11711705
Hydrogen's ISP advantage is more marginal at sea level (R25 ~360 vs. Raptor ~330) and opens up in vaccuum... which doesn't do much for you in a launch stage. They also suffer in thrust per area (compare SLS' anemic first stage to SH despite being only a bit slimmer) which means increased gravity losses. Combine that with needing a much bigger tank for a given capacity and extra complexity.

>>11711742
Because RP-1 did what they needed. Hydrogen is the fuel of the space dark ages.

>>11711740
Does methane work with arcjets? I know Ammonia does. An NTR with an Arcjet afterburner has been proposed for LH2 but if that works with methane then yeah, no reason to use LH2.

>>11711764
I have no idea, really. To clarify, I didn't try to check how it would do in a launch when I looked at the numbers, just in-space maneuvers that don't require a t/w >1.

Does a public open database of cubesats data (from their captors, so thermal etc) exist?
If a cubesat fails it would be interesting to have the data to go with it so you could analyze it and visualise it before sending another cubesat.
Any demand for this?
Or any space related software projects one could do to help the space race?

>>11711751
It's a fucking jobs program christ

At least Orion is finished

>>11711771
NTR for launch is dumb in a world where Super Heavy exists.

>>11711775
NTR is dumb for launch in any world. Even off-earth it would make more sense to land it with backup chem boosters and optimize the actual rocket for ISP over t/w.

>>11711787
>NTR is dumb for launch in any world.

LauncherOne kaboom ahhhhhhhhhhh

>>11711711
Shut up stupid jew

>>11711807
gib video Virgin

>>11711793
You still need a non hydrogen chemical rocket to boost your refuel depot tanks into orbit if you want to go anywhere beyond LEO.

>>11711816
I didn't use to mind you avatarfagging, but now since you replied to that bait, I do mind.

>>11711826
Why though? Another Liberty ship will just be sent to refuel the depot.

>>11711824
>gib video Virgin
Best we have so far is this photo.

>>11711828
Ah shit.

Post music that should be played when people land on Mars
>https://youtu.be/4FSQkKh3_zo

>>11711840
Correction, best we have is this photo

Meanwhile at Blue Origin headquarters...

>>11711848
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDj3shXvco

>>11711862
>literally this

>>11711862
w-why is he eating that

>>11711875
https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-a-picture-of-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-eating-an-iguana-2018-3
>Bezos was at the dinner to accept the Buzz Aldrin Space Exploration Award