/sci/ - Science & Math

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Old space SEETHING

what happens if the spacex astronaut dies? wouldnt that be an extremely humillating defeat for the us?

>>11705489
>kneeling to the CHAD starship
BASED

>>11705497
That's a weird question to ask, you brain dead ESL third-worlder.

Kino.

>>11705514

>>11705513
>tfw /dbs/ tier shitposting is finally spreading here
Good. If this goes on like I'd like, there will be people going "AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE" on the moon.

>>11705497
>wouldnt that be an extremely humillating defeat for the us?
given that Trump will be there personally to watch the launch, probably
Iran has already signaled out F9 failures to excuse the failures of their own space program, so abroad SpaceX is seen as an extension of the American space program and any high profile failure would reflect on the American spaceflight ecosystem as a whole.

>>11705521

>>11705530

>>11705513
so youre already on damage control even before the flight? damn those astronauts are doomed. serves them right for being americans tough

What would a starship waifu look like?

>>11705535

>>11705514
Based.

>>11705535
E X T R A T H I C C

>>11705537
wrong, any waifu of a rocket that big has to be all big and buxomy

>>11705537
Fuse her with this, and I think we've actually got a foolproof starship waifu design concept.
I mean, Starship is meant to be shiny, correct?

>>11705542
>cow tits

>>11705497
Yes it would be embarrassing.
It would hardly be "extremely humiliating."
That we haven't normalized risk in space travel the same way we have risk in airplane flight and ground travel is a problem, but there are bounds on what the impact of such an unlikely event would be.
But who cares?
There is no living and certainly no achievement without risk.

>>11705534
YOU:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYwqjCj6kgc

>>11705551
>There is no living and certainly no achievement without risk.
yes but the public doesnt understand that.

combine that with the billions in corruption money stands to lose and you have the perfect storm for this ending up being the reason starship launches on 2040

>>11705535
>>11705541

>>11705514
How well cooked would a beef patty get, if it were strapped to one of those grid fins?

>>11705584
You when Dragon works perfectly:
>*Mariachi starts*
>AAIIIIEE AAIIEE AIIIEEE
>A TO THE AAAAIEEEEEE
>AAIIIIEE AAIIIIEE AAIIIIEE
>E TO THE AAIIEE AAIIIIEE
>AAA-a AAAIIIIIIEE AAAAIIEEEE aaaIIeee >AAAIEIEIEIEI

>>11705551
>Yes it would be embarrassing.
>It would hardly be "extremely humiliating."

It would easily be as bad as the shuttle accidents, debateably worse.

>But who cares?

The entire media, the media drones and most of the general population? All they see is Elon man bad, kill brave NASA astronauts.

>>11705588
im not the guy you replied to originally mr tinfoil

also,
>implying that elon and mariachis are on different sides

>>11705514
DELETE THIS

>>11705601
>>Yes it would be embarrassing.
it would be embarassing
for you

>>11705537
Fuck off weeb pedophile

>>11705601
>Elon man bad
not to mention that Elon was really vocal in the covid business, he's the evil capitalist who hates his workers to normies

>>11705602
>totally not similar typing style
Yeah, totally not samefagging. I deal with stronger beaners on /a/ every day, begone.

>>11705548
>Pedophile makes itself more obvious

>>11705612
>>totally not similar typing style
ok detective
>>11705612
>I deal with stronger beaners on /a/ every day, begone.
in what universe does that make you look good? why not simply state "im an inferior human being"

>>11705586
THICKER

>>11705619
>why not simply state "im an inferior human being"
Because I'm superior to you, paco. BEGONE.
>>11705613
Moefaggots are truly an oddity. If anything, Meta Cooler should be used to humanize Starship.

>>11705586
Now make it chrome.

>>11705624
>200kg loser who admits to browsing anime boards all day thinks hes superior to anything
god dammit i have to wash my eyes from this cringe

>>11705637
Just genderswap Meta Cooler and make the result thicc. Boom.

>>11705641
You would make a good addition to a certain kind of thread on /a/.

>>11705497
>spacex astronaut
Those are NASA astronauts that will be onboard Dragon.
>>11705601
The difference is that this is a test flight with more accepted risk and there's a maximum of two people that can die. SpaceX already is accepted by the public as a cowboy company, it's NASA that would take a lot of the heat and they could blame their failure to catch the issue on underfunding, the same underfunding that shut down the successor to the Space Shuttle and forced them to need private companies to transport their crew.

>>11705532

>>11705655
>Those are NASA astronauts that will be onboard Dragon.
explain that to a normie

>>11705647
thanks for the invitation but its not compatible with my hobby of having sex with women

>>11705688
>"Are those SpaceX astronauts?"
>No, they're NASA astronauts. SpaceX makes the spaceship and NASA buys rides on it.
>"Oh, okay."
Seems simple enough.

>>11705691
Have kids or you’re a failure

>>11705691
If you actually did that, you wouldn't be rotting here with the rest of us.

>>11705694
so is not having kids unless you have money but they dont seem to get it right?

>>11705695
>>11705697
sorry i didnt mean to hurt you this much, i over did it. Remember that you can always lose weight via excersise.

>>11705610
I mean he is a ruthless capitalist with a history of union busting and workers mistreatment, most billionaires are actually, it's just the way the world works, he's not special in that regard. It's just that he shitposted on twitter so the internet dwellers picked it up for the drama but the man is still mostly viewed as a success story with cutting edge companies among normies

>>11705702
People made kids for millions of years and never even heard of money. It doesn’t matter

>>11705705
>I mean he is a ruthless capitalist with a history of union busting and workers mistreatment

Fuck off commie

>>11705497
If they are killed it could possibly be the end of the Commercial Crew Program, much more likely would be a safe escape on the LES and total loss of rocket which would greatly delay Dragon but not really effect the CCP.

>>11705705
He's the least scum of billionaires in my eyes.

>>11705710
Seethe.

>>11705705
>he is a ruthless capitalist with a history of union busting and workers mistreatment, most billionaires are actually
remember when Bob Iger decided to give $1000 bonuses to everyone in his company who wasn't in a union right in the middle of a union negotiation?

>>11705713
>Seethe

Cope

>>11705704
>>11705705
Oh, plebbitor, not mexican. Go back and dilate, cuck.

>>11705705
>ruthless capitalist with a history of union busting and workers mistreatment,
none of that is true
he's a normal capitalist who applies just law to his workers because if he didnt hed be in jail and offers works so whoever doesnt want it shouldnt work there, they do so they are not mistreated they are enthuiastically accepting.

>>11705708
"dont have kids if you can feed them" is a really easy concept and even a middle class normie like you cant get it, imagine a normienigger. thanks for illustrating perfectly why people will have trouble separting spacex and nasa responsibility

>>11705705
>history of union busting
Bless him. Unions in America are poison.

>>11705705
>not pretending

>>11705724
>"dont have kids if you can feed them" is a really easy concept

Food doesn’t cost shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHjMUP_Vq7s&feature=emb_logo

please stop, i mean for your sake, im personally enjoying seeing you try to act as if youre not the lowest of the lowest of all social hierarchies.

But for your sake, humillating yourself like that and willingly leaves heavy scars, seriously, if you want to live a normal life things like this will take you a lot of time in therapy.

>>11705741
Perhaps I was wrong to assume you were the same as that person. You're a w*man. All you know how to do when confronted is call your opponents virgins, and your allusion to therapy and other socialized ideals shows your herd mindset. Also, your black mouse arrow shows that you're using a mac.
>tl;dr, FEMOID DETECTED

>>11705738
This gives me the aura of a wahsed-up celebrity who works at McDonald's now.

>>11705740
They're sending two old white guys because they know they'll die, don't they?

>>11705530
Look at these absolutely fucking autistic testing and service structures

so if this works well and everything is fine, does this mean SpaceX can train and launch their own astronauts without NASA's involvement at all? Could they launch them from Boca Chica?

>>11705776
Technically they already can. This is just to fulfill the commercial crew contract.

>>11705776
That's the plan for DearMoon iirc.

>>11705776
They have always been able to do that, there has just been no point and there will be no point until starship.

>the femoid actually stopped spewing bullshit about how le spacex is a bunch of capitalist pigs!!!!
Wow.
>>11705768
Well, they're banking on it, because they underestimate the mental prowess of Elon and his industrial revolution-esque rocket manufacturing.
>>11705776
I guess so.

When does the virgin orbital rocket go up?

>>11705790
surely there's a point in dry running and hardening their internal astronaut training and launch process

oooh it goes up at 12:30 pm east coast time.

>>11705811
What goes up? Demo-2 launches at 4:33 p.m EST on Wednesday.

>>11705712
This makes me think if there's a failure, NASA will buy Crew Dragons and Starliner and operate it themselves. SpaceX will be brought aboard as another cost-plus contactor for whatever NASA wants to do with it.

>>11705799
One day after the completion of the chad space elevator.

>>11705500
Cool base you got there

>>11705828
You don't know?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/23/heres-what-virgin-orbit-hopes-to-achieve-with-their-first-full-orbital-test-launch-on-sunday/

THIS does in 11 hours from now.

>>11705848
>Virgin Orbital beats BO{,ing!} to orbit
This really is not a good year for oldspace, is it?

>>11705761
>>tl;dr, FEMOID DETECTED
you got me honey, only a mexican femoid could be against your fedora tipping awesomeness. lol what the fuck even is in the brain of someone like you

>>11705799
It will likely live up to its name.

>>11705848
Oh that, I don't give a fuck about Virgin Orbit and I hope it explodes. The sooner it goes bankrupt, the sooner I'll stop hearing idiots refer Virgin Galactic as the "the Tesla of Space"...

>>11705867
why would anyone not call spacex the tesla of space, i mean how the fuck can you fuck an analogy so bad, they do the same, they are owned by the same person. I sometimes can't believe how some people, even by accident screw up things so bad

>>11705863
tits or gtfo cunt
you know the rules

>>11705848
Well shit, if it goes well, it could be the prelude of SSTO spaceplanes.
>>11705864
>the virgin galactic vs the CHAD SpaceX
>>11705863
Girl, it's obvious you're not a guy. You're only capable of thinking of me as some neckbeard and nothing else.
You could've called me a nigger, a jew, a faggot, a double nigger, etc, but you chose the one that actually does nothing. Just admit defeat and keep whoring around for a degree that will be meaningless to you in the end.

>>11705876
She should just GTFO, this is 4channel, not 4chan.

>>11705775
>the virgin supported test vs the chad unsupported test.

>>11705876
This is a blue board anon go back to /b/

>>11705878
>>11705878
>ou're only capable of thinking of me as some neckbeard and nothing else.
because you admited to browsing /a all day.

Youre an overweight loser who cant even dream of getting laid, youre not a nigger, youre not a jew, youre maybe a faggot.

come on fucker, stop the charade did i hit the nail spot on in the exact center nailing it full force to the nailing surface or do you still think im a mexican yas queeeen slay sjw?

>>11705882
>>11705876
painful samefag, do you at least know anything about spaceflight?

Fuck off with the childish argument

>>11705875
>why would anyone not call spacex the tesla of space
They are idiots who are only excited about Virgin Galactic because they own stock in it and they know nothing about spaceflight so they started using "Virgin is the Tesla of space" as a marketing term. I used to argue with them all the time on /biz/ about the profitability of Virgin Galactic's business model and every time it fell on deaf ears.
>Bro, they can sell seats for a million dollars and there are thousands of people lined up to pay, this is going to be huge. No one else is doing that.

>>11705893
>because you admited to browsing /a all day.
The fact that you can't think of more than one post at a time singlehandedly debunks the feminist idea of women being equal to men and shows that they need to go back to the kitchen. You're not even considering that my coolerposting and shit means I come from a different side of /a/ that MOCKS those retarded coomers you think i am one of.
Also,
> stop the charade did i hit the nail spot on in the exact center nailing it full force to the nailing surface or do you still think im a mexican yas queeeen slay sjw
Are you on your period?
>>11705901
Yes.

>>11705908
Fair enough, I've already wasted enough brain cells as is.

>>11705551
>That we haven't normalized risk in space travel the same way we have risk in airplane flight and ground travel is a problem
Well, the russians did it lmao

>>11705921
bruh...

>>11705608
keep whining faggot

>>11705921
why do you have such strong opinion regarding women if you never been near one?

>>11705776
they already have been, this is testing 101
as long as you can get away with it, do whatever you gotta do

>>11705946
go away roastie
flap your wizard sleeve and fly away

>>11705921
>I come from a different side of /a/ that MOCKS those retarded coomers you think i am one of.
Please get the fuck out of /a/, we don't want you. You're basically /co/lite. Seriously, fuck off.

This edition of /sfg/ sure is a dumpster fire.

>>11705948
lol its hilarious that after i annihilated you argumentally you instantly switch to thinking i was a girl, maybe youre a faggot and not an incel, whichever way please dont kill yourself seek help.

>>11705921
>I come from a different side of /a/ that MOCKS those retarded coomers you think i am one of.

lol, imagine being this delusional, youre a fat greasy lonely loser there isnt more than one kind of that

>>11705953
Let's try to bring space flight back to the space flight general.

Thoughts on the Dragon 2 propulsive landing capabilities? Sure, NASA got it axed, but SpaceX might try to resurrect it if ocean recovery became to expensive.

>>11705971
nah, its dead, dragon with 0 reusability is already insanely competitive regarding its competitors, if you add first stage reusability and fairings its a landslide, no need to make a change that big theyll focus on starship next

Venture Star would have been better than SLS. Change my mind.

>>11705971
>>11705977
Starship is going to be all propulsive landing so I don't think SpaceX will bother. Boing! might add it to Starliner v2 after Starship first orbits to not seem as painfully outdated as they are.

>>11705971
If NASA is going to,pay them for each dragon while not allowing them to propulsively land then what’s the point

>>11705985
Venture star never could have made orbit

>>11705971
>Thoughts on the Dragon 2 propulsive landing capabilities?
I mean, aren't the capabilities just... there? Isn't the only impeding factor that they aren't doing it? It has the engines and fuel to do it, right?

>>11705953
I'm sorry.
>>11705971
I think they could be used when Starships start colonizing mars. The dragon capsules could be used as secondary crew transport, like the cancelled Red dragon concept. I do imagine there'd be stasis for the inhabitants, as it gets quite claustrophobic after a few weeks of only one room. Kinda like an IRL attack ball.
>>11705962
>>11705966
You didn't annihilate anyone but yourself. >>11705952
I'd say something about the CHADS of /a/ but I don't feel like it rn

>>11705991
Based on what, lack of funny shaped LH2 tanks at the time?

>>11705997
its not that easy, nothign is free anywhere. for instance, merely programming the dragon to turn on its thrusters on descent adds another instance in which they could turn on accidentally, in spaceflight anything that has a chance greater than 0 to cause any kind of program is dismissed. frankly im amazed they even let them recover the booster

>>11706001
>You didn't annihilate anyone but yourself
im legit sorry you will never experience the warmth of a woman thats not a prostitute, not that you can affoard it , i meant your mother

>>11705991
Retard.

>>11706007
>>11706018
He's not exactly wrong. The X-33 was a suborbital developmental vehicle, and an actual Venture Star vehicle would have needed to be significantly bigger.

>>11706049
how big?

>>11706049
>"Venture star never could have made orbit"
>The X-33 was a suborbital developmental vehicle
>VentureStar =/= X-33
Um.... yeah.

Holy shit just shut the fuck up. I wish the jannies would actually do their jobs and fuck you cunts off.

The most exciting thing about finding out that humans can't live indefinitely in microgravity without genetic changes is that it forces people to build rotating ships and stations, which imply much, much larger structures in space, which in turn means there's a very real need for torch drives just to move around the system in any kind of reasonable time frame. That in turn means that if anyone wants to beat Elon-chan to colonizing Saturn's moons they have no choice but to fund fusion research properly.

>>11706070
What do you mean? We basically solved bone loss.

>>11706087
But have we solved microgravity causing you to be horribly sick on earth because your blood ends up inflating your legs like balloons?

>>11706070
We can live indefinitely in microgravity.

>>11706092
>Excuse me while I move this goalpost

>>11706087
Bone loss is just one of a host of issues.

>>11706096
That's not a moved goalpost you dumb cunt, fuck off.

>>11705789
What’s the latest update on dearmoon? It will probably happen after artemis/starship testing on the moon anyways. Also isn’t the japanese guy planning on doing a dating show or something? Weird

>>11706097
It's the one that's hardest to deal with, isn't it? Doesn't everything else pretty much balance out after a few weeks?

>>11706105
No. There are issues with blood pooling because there is no gravity, eyesight degradation because of similar reasons and no one has any idea about long term effects on organs and certainly gestation seems guaranteed to fail or at least produce some xenomorph tier monster in 0g.

>>11706087
There's a LOT of problems with long term zero g.

We need research. It could be even just 20% of g could mostly mitigate the ill health effects of space, we just don't know.

>>11706105
>>11706097
>>11706092
its "solved" in the shor term, meaning it (probably) wont be an issue for any of the first exploration missions but for permanent habitation we dont know if its possible
its dealth with

>>11706087
Eyesight degradation is not solved.

>>11706103
>Live indefinitely in micro-g
>Live indefinitely in micro-g and then go to Earth’s surface

No those are definitely different things.

>>11706109
>and certainly gestation seems guaranteed to fail or at least produce some xenomorph tier monster in 0g.

There’s no abnormalities to vertebrate embryos conceived in micro-g or developed in micro-g aside from a worse sense of balance on the ground. This was investigated years ago with rats and frogs. Stop lying plz

>>11706147
Remove the eyeballs and replace them with glorious multispectral sensors.

>>11706187
>no source

>>11706209
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2610337/
https://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/Experiment/exper/644

>>11706191
so it's not solved

>>11705985
>hydrogen
>SSTO

double whammy

>>11706070
>is that it forces people to build rotating ships and stations, which imply much, much larger structures in space

implies no such thing, just connect two ships with a tether

>>11706230
Real useful space station you have there.

>>11705587
https://what-if.xkcd.com/28/

>>11706238
unironically it's 2x the ISS with many times more capability

>>11706230
Would be extremely dangerous and it would fuck you up, your head would experience vastly different G than your feet.

>>11706292
No it wouldn't wtf are you on about retard.

>>11705768
they're sending two old white men because they're the most experienced astronauts they have left

>>11706292
There isn't a black hole in the middle of that system, is there

Is it possible to survive a few days in just the dragon capsule? E.g. sleep etc.

>>11706323
probably, can in Soyuz at least because it sometimes takes a day or two to match orbits with the ISS anyway

>>11705893
/a/ is cool, that guy's some sort of /pol/ fag though
you too, fuck off back there

>>11705997
what are you going to do with your spaceship covered in toxic hypergol residue now that you've got it back?

>>11706323
yeah, it has enough supplies for a week or so and a toilet

>>11706292
Wrong, rotation diameter of ~450 meters is enough to make it OK. Easy to achieve long rotation diameters with tethers.

https://www.artificial-gravity.com/sw/SpinCalc/

Honestly the biggest issue would be dynamical stability. Which is why I think some kind of a rigid truss connection between two Starships would be preferable for a permanent space station. Also convert propellant tanks into habitable space, wet workshop style. This would lead to whopping ~7000 cubic meters of pressurized habitable volume with Earthlike gravity. For comparison, ISS is less than 1000 m3.

>>11706350
>This would lead to whopping ~7000 cubic meters of pressurized habitable volume with Earthlike gravity

Put in in low equatorial Earth orbit and you may get an almost Earthlike radiation environment as well!

>>11706230
If that's a station, it's the most retarded station I''ve seen in a while.
- can't be docked with without de-spinning
- has to be spun/despun propulsively, wasting the fuel
- has an unlocked degree of freedom
- no access between section
- doesn't have microgravity, making it useless for a zero g station

>>11706323
sleeping in microgravity is easy, you don't need a bed, just sleep where you are

>>11706337

Just give it a good wash..

>>11705738
holy shit and there's more of them too

>>11706384
can't do long range communication due to the modules constantly changing their attitude
can't easily change the overall system attitude
can't do station-keeping easily
etc etc etc

>>11706384
it's not supposed to be a 0g station, that's why it spins

>>11705497
>>11705528
>>11705655
>>11705768
>>11705833
>if there's a failure
Space-less third-world cope squad deployed, that's not your flag on the moon.
They're launching on one of the most reliable rockets still in service, with a fucking launch escape system (hello Shuttle), and are using a splash-down landing (so picture unrelated), and the capsule has already docked once with ISS unmanned with a perfect flight.
Meanwhile, Boing (picture related) managed to have a parachute not open on a ground abort test, and had at least three major software problems that caused its first flight to be an almost total failure. (almost because the first problem caused them to notice the third one, which could have been LoC+LoV)

>>11706105
The bone thing is actually the easiest temporary fix, the fluid build up in several places all over the body is the real problem, something that probably could be fixed with 0,1G

>>11706384
not a station, more like a concept for providing 0.4g during travel to Mars

>>11705768
I don't know if you've noticed, but for the past 20-30 years, most astronauts are at least 40 by the time they get to orbit. That's what happens when the primary objective of a space program is handing out cost-plus contracts to spread pork around the country.

>>11706344
>and a toilet
Really?
Poopbags are mor likely.

>>11706412
the only practical use of space stations is zero g science or some production like growing extremely pure crystals, maybe also spacecraft assembly bases/orbital outposts

neither of that is possible with this retarded thing

>>11706419
>Boing
Oh, I forgot to point out one more thing. Redundancy in manned spaceflight vehicles is for the unlikely event that hardware fails. It is NOT to cover for mistakes in assembly or software development.

>>11706384
>>11706409
>Sun tracking is extremely hard as well

>>11706419
only france has moon flags

>>11706384
note that it takes around 50m/s delta-v to spin up a 500m wide rotating space station to 1g. This is rather low. It increases with diameter, tough.

>>11706429
all other issues still apply for a cruise phase as well - spinning/de-spinning for corrections, communications, power, accessibility, rotational stability on a tether etc

>>11706384
>can't be docked with without de-spinning
spinfags can't comprehend this

>>11706438
>the only practical use of space stations is zero g science

zero-g science is a meme, stations will be used mostly for habitation as they can provide 1g gravity while spinning

>>11705848
Virgin will reach orbit before Blue Origin lol

>>11706441
lel

>>11706450
Well, you need a static section in the center and a tunnel down, not a tether

>>11706452
except it's not
you know what else can be used for habitation? yeah, it starts with p

>>11706430
That's what happens when the primary objective is science and not test driving new space crafts

>>11706450
It's not an issue for spinning in general because the hub spins slowly enough to be compensated for and could just be equipped with a small contra-rotating docking adapter anyway. It's only an issue for cans on a string because cans on a string is a meme

>>11706448
>spinning/de-spinning for corrections, communications

Maybe you do not need to despin for corrections, applying impulse to a rotating body is just simple newtonian physics. Communication and power can work for a spinning craft as well, it is not an insurmountable issue at all, just a complication. Rotational stability is the biggest issue IMHO.

>>11706459
>you know what else can be used for habitation? yeah, it starts with p

Only Earth has 1g. Venus is a meme and the rest of the bodies in solar system have significantly weaker gravity and due to this may never be viable for long-term habitation or actual colonization, only shorter stays.

Your daily reminder that we still have no idea if you can raise children on Mars. If you cannot, spinning space stations are the only viable sopace colonization path for humanity.

>>11706470
>train track on a banked circle
Here's your 1g nursery and daycare on Mars.

>NOOO ONLY IN SPACE CAN SPIN

>>11706481
>>NOOO ONLY IN SPACE CAN SPIN

pretty much this, living on a train track is not viable, also you woud need to have all habitation on the track, not just nursery, as adults could decompensate after years in low gravity as well

>>11706464
>applying impulse to a rotating body is just simple newtonian physics
That means you can only use your attitude thrusters for corrections in an inefficient manner (arbitrary attitude relative to the velocity vector), and to pulse them constantly, varying the thrust all the time
>Communication and power can work for a spinning craft as well, it is not an insurmountable issue at all, just a complication.
Juggling your dishes and solar panels in 1g or more, constantly moving the parts in vacuum for several months trying to track Earth and Sun, dealing with self-obstructions with duplicate sets is a pretty damn big complication, which can be avoided entirely with a non-rotating section in the middle

>>11706455
>>11706462
by spinfags I meant the "just tether two starships together bro" crowd, next time I'll call them tetherfags

>>11706488
>living
You don't need anyone to live there, just spend a certain # of hours every day at 1g during development, assuming that even turns out to be necessary.
>adults could decompensate
No lol. We already worked this out, low rep high resistance prevents bones and muscle loss in microgravity, Mars is much more hospitable than that and wouldn't have other microgravity issues which come from not having a 'down' direction.

>>11706429
Yeah, so now you just need to make two separate but closely synchronized departure burns and additionally dock two ships while cruising. Nice, real easy

>>11706493
>Juggling your dishes and solar panels in 1g or more

No dishes, there will be a solid state comm laser with aim adjustments done in milliseconds. Solar panels will be oriented with normal paralel to spin axis, and some minor variation in insolation is not a problem.

>>11706503
>We already worked this out, low rep high resistance prevents bones and muscle loss in microgravity

That remains to be seen because we have no data tracking ordinary people for many years, only data on highly trained astronauts tracking them for less than a year.

>and wouldn't have other microgravity issues which come from not having a 'down' direction.

We have no idea if 0.38g is enough for that or not.

>>11706511
Your terrified mentality has no future in space no matter what the gravitational conditions desu

>>11706509
>some minor variation in insolation

>>11706434
>Above the seats, there is a three-screen control panel, a toilet (with privacy curtain) and the docking hatch.
from wikipedia

>>11706524
>privacy curtain
BBRRAAAAAPPP

>>11706509
>solid state comm laser with aim adjustments done in milliseconds
without a mechanically gimbaled mirror or lens, it's only possible with low precision/quality, insufficient for Mars-Earth like distances

>>11706434
You don't need to poop until you've been up in space for five days or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1DYJIIqyQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUe2HcFUPSo
On the way down, however, if you haven't already gone on the ISS toilet just before leaving, yeah, that might be a problem.

>>11705859
>>11706453

>>11706542
In Tim Peake's book he describes having an enema before takeoff in Baikonur, you could choose from an 'american style' or 'russian style'. Didn't say what the differences were though. Also they're allowed to piss on the bus wheels one last time if necessary before boarding

>>11706488
>living on a train track is not viable
Yeah, and living in a rotating tin can orbiting a planet in space is more viable.
Some guys lived in a fucking Cessna for 2 months, literally refueling it in flight from a moving truck, just fyi

>>11706515
He's trying to say that more investigation is needed, not that it shouldn't be done at all

>>11706570
By the time you're done "doing investigations" you could've just ignored prattling whiners and done the goddamn thing.
>WAHH BUT WHAT IF
Kill yourself.

>>11706551
>Yeah, and living in a rotating tin can orbiting a planet in space is more viable.

It is as the station will not be a tin can but city-sized. Any colony needs to be quite big to be viable. And we need to learn to live in space anyway if we ever want to spread beyond Earth.

Mars is a great first step but ultimately orbital colonies are the future.

>>11706578
Mars will be capably colonized long before anything like that is in orbit anywhere in the solar system.

>>11706575
>and done the goddamn thing
That would be the investigation, you fucking brainlet
It's your kind who don't fly to space, sitting behind your screen doing nothing but screaming at how things should be.

>>11706578
>city-sized station
yeah that escalated quickly

>>11706575
By all means do the goddamn thing and try to build a Mars colony. It is the most hospitable place in the solar system after Earth, and a natural stepping stone for our technological development.

Just don't be surprised if it never becomes more than a manned base, and you will have to wait for cozy orbital rotating stations if you want people to live their whole lives up there.

>>11706583
>We can't do that because we don't know!
>Well... we can do that, I guess, but fuck you anyway
Fuck off, you dumb nigger.

>>11706586
We are talking about space colonization here, aren't we? City sized is minimum, no matter if it is on Mars or in orbit. Otherwise it is just an outpost.

>>11706579
not if Martian gravity is turns out to be too low to support human life long-term

>>11706601
Which is bullshit, so everything's fine.

>>11706605
PS.
>habfags actually salivating at the the ability to make 'muh what-if' scenarios where Mars is uninhabitable
Mars it the best place to construct and launch the shit you want. Better stop bitching and start planning around it.

S C R U B B E D

>>11706605

>Which is bullshit

We dont know that. 0.38g might still turn out to be too low.

>>11706613
There's no good founding for this assertion. Bone density and muscle loss can be combatted in microgravity already, which you might notice is a lot lower than .38g. Other microgravity issues like reversed blood flow and poor drainage don't translate to an environment which has a significant 'down' direction.

>>11706613
How long are we going to keep debating, why not just send some mice along with the next Mars rover?

>>11706610
>launcher gone

>>11706610

>>11706627

We dont know that. All we tested is 0g and 1g. There might not be a linear relationship at all. For all we know, spending 10+ years in 0.7g could fuck you up, even though 1g is enough.

>>11706628

We should definitely do it, not just debate. All I am saying is that we should not bet everything on Mars, it might still turn out to be non-viable as a colony due to low gravity. Rotating orbital colonies might be initially harder, but there is no such showstopper that would potentially make them non-viable.

>>11706638
"We don't know it for a fact" is the only reasoning being used, and it isn't strong enough to be worth the time to post it. I could come up with a whole host of bullshit things we technically don't know for a fact about living on habs, but it would be a waste of mine and everyone else's time. Just shut the fuck up.

>>11706591
What makes a colony and not an outpost is if they can produce something of value, not just being a place you can survive for a while (aka a "hotel"). A big tin can in orbit can't produce more than vegetables, or maybe beam some solar power to the ground pounders. At least on Mars there's a chance they can find something worth mining, and even have processing facilities, plus a lower dV to space to support asteroid mining.
Maybe a cylinder station could process stuff from asteroid miners without having to get a gravity well involved, but we'd need some actual asteroid miners first.

>>11706642

No, its THE most important issue, because it cannot be fixed if it turns out to be a problem. It will make or break the colony. Technical issues regarding rotating habs are just engineering, if you throw enough money and brains at it they will get worked out over time. If 0.38g turns out to be a problem, even one "just" requiring colonists to exercise mutiple hours per day (good luck with that with normal people, not highly trained astronauts..), colony is DOA. You literally cannot fix that.

Guys
Neutron Star matter AGrav plating in your colony floors

>>11706649
>it cannot be fixed if it turns out to be a problem
Actually, even in the absolute worst case scenario, there is one fix that you can't just "but what if" away: don't come back to Earth.
>"just" requiring colonists to exercise mutiple hours per day
Multiple hours a day of low impact exercise was the old, broken way. If you can't fit in the time in your exercise schedule for high resist low rep exercise you aren't fit enough to waste time and resources on.
>You literally cannot fix that.
This is really groundhog day at this point but just to reiterate: making 1g habs on-planet is just an engineering problem too. A simple subway loop is all you need.

>>11706644
I doubt there will ever be any real export from a space colony to Earth, except for information / cultural exports. So any colony needs to be big enough for domestic demand to arise. Basically it needs to be self-sufficient even if Earth disappears. Musk often mentions his plan to send 1 million people to Mars. The figure is so high because he realizes that is what is needed to kickstart an actual colonization, instead of just having an ouitpost forever dependent on Earth.

>>11706419
It's a space roastie. Or at least an actual retard. Jannies deleted my shit but I had enough of an ego to save up proof that I had indeed, called out someone by typing style.

>>11705952
>/a/
Get out

just a few more days, lads

>>11706752
unsettling

>>11705985
spac shuttle has proven that beyond the size of x-37 taking all the aerodynamic structures all the way and back cant be economical

>>11706746
in b4 NASA blueballs us because the wind wasn't just perfect.
Because you know it's going to happen.

>>11706794
iirc it's 50/50 based on current forecasts, guess they want to avoid another challenger livestream situtation

>>11706819
60% chance of scrub the other day.

>>11706819
>VSVN

>>11706819
Lol, NASA wants a meatball on every stage

>>11705985
>Venture star + Nuclear ferry
Imagine...

>>11705586
thicccfags should die

How would plants grow and look if they grow in a Martian environment? (In say, a terrarium compartment)
How do you think animals would adapt?

>>11706778
>economical
ha ha ha

1950's low budget science fiction movie with a costume designer that stopped caring decades ago OR a 2020 space mission?

>>11706470
You can raise children on Mars. We know this.

>>11706888
Wrong on both accounts- Late 2000s sci-fi shooter game.

>>11706866
>Noooo stop liking femininity

You into kids?

>>11706888
Why not both?

trajectory map for dm2 launch?

>>11706889

hey rocket man! haven't you heard?...

mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids....

>>11706892
I always found that Tribes/Unreal/Halo-derived style tasteless

Why doesn't Europe/Russia/Asia have a competitor to SpaceX?

>>11706905
I'm into not landwhales that have to move with a crane

>>11706888
Growing and spreading beyond the warped imagination of the greatest human intellect and exploding in unspeakable horror... The Greeeeeen Sliiiiime!

>>11706938
Europe’s too busy trying to destroy itself by throwing money at retarded immigrants
Russia’s poor as shit with the worst form of crony capitalism embedded in its society
Japan; no clue
China hasn’t innovated at all for 300 years, merely makes shitty copies of whatever finds it’s way to them due to being commie hivemind
Worst Korea; no idea
Best Korea doesn’t have the money or resources

>SN4 hop delayed
>now NET after the demo 2 launch

idk about you guys im #teamboeing

>>11706956
Worst Korea has a treaty with the US that they won't pursue ballistic missile tech, so their spaceflight industry has suffered badly because of it

>>11706969
probably for the best. Don't want an explosive test failure right before DM-2.

>>11706974
COST PLUS

>>11706938
ESA wants to make a falcon9 clone.
But that is still years off.

>>11706926
Sure it is.

>>11706994
god damn europeans just cant stop stealing african technology

>>11706938
>Europe
Space is a welfare program and is a backup in case US relations go wrong
>Russia
Khrunichev was a potential competitor, but shoot themselves in the foot and collapsed before SpaceX became a thing. Making private business isn't possible at all, because anything visible without the "protection" of someone powerful will be raided by someone powerful. Space is a welfare program as well lately, ambitions are dwindling.
>China
The best in the world at production of something that is proved to be working. not so much at making something truly new. Will take time though, and they're also plagued by the Russian crony capitalism disease, although much less.
>Japan
Over-relying on government, have no country-wide experience to lean on.

In general, everybody is kinda slow to pick up the reusable game because it's mostly working for SpaceX because of their particular circumstances.

There's no silver bullet in reusable rockets, everybody trying to cut the cost will have to adapt to their local environment and just blindly copying SpaceX and VTVL is pretty pointless, that's why China doesn't have something like this yet. Having a strong space industry to lean on is a huge plus too.

>>11706888
How would you fix it? Me, I'll make the boots white with just some of the feet black, and get rid of the seam between the top and bottom halves. Or just maybe put some more grey at the sides.

>>11706938
Only America gives that may gibs to its companies. SpaceX only exists due to fat NASA and defence contracts. The US government pays well over market rates for launches, and SpaceX use that money to subsidise their loss-making commercial launches.

>>11707001
Make it look like a normal pressure suit without trying too hard to be fancy with all that star trek look. Pressure suits are badass on their own, I'd take The Right Stuff/Gagarin vibe over the silly sci-fi look any time of day.

>>11707001
First of all I'd put the suits on 2 guys that are not fat boomers.
I'd do the same with the boots, they look like motorcycle boots right now.
Remove the puffy "shoulder pads".
Make the fingers white.
Change everything grey into black instead.

>>11707023
The suits are still like any other pressurized suit, just internalized. I don't really know how they actually look, but I bet the only reason they look fat is because those life support systems do add a few pounds.

>>11706113
We know plenty about 0g, know basically nothing about anywhere in between that and 1.
I don't understand why they haven't tried a rotating module on/ near the ISS for people to be guinea pigs in. Without windows and at a slow rotation you'd avoid the usual problems.

>>11707001
I'd put some of the life support systems outside the suit, like more conventional pressure suits, and color the grey parts black.

>>11706888

Yea, but look at the closeout crew:

https://twitter.com/AlteredJamie/status/1264386844978020353

>>11707017
>Pokes hole in arm
No pressure, kid

>>11707029
There have been multiple attempts to make a small experimental centrifuge on ISS, from NASA, Japan, Russia. Neither one made it to the station

>>11707039
The same as with this thing. We're discussing the visual style, not the function. Those SpaceX suits are pretty practical (more practical than ACES making you a walking potato sack, at least), they just look awful.

>>11707031
What support systems? These suits don't carry any except the connection point to Crew Dragon.

>>11707046
Oh.

>>11707048
you can see the connections in the thigh pads in pictures

>>11707035
THE NUMBERS
WHAT DO THEY MEAN

>>11706628
How many generations of mice you think could be left on Mars and studied?
Like a mini biosphere with enough food and water to self sustain for as long as possible. Mice might not be the best animals but any mammal is probably going to offer a lot of data.
The chinks and their plants on the moon was pretty cool.

>>11707055
>How many generations of mice you think could be left on Mars and studied?
Three to five generations would seem enough for any birth defects to show up. Provided the mice don't breed themselves into extinction during the trip to Mars.

>>11707035
They look like the faceless minions of a supervillain straight outta Bond movie.

I don't know why but I have a bad feeling about Wednesday

>>11707077
ULA snoipahs

>>11706888
The shuttle patch stickers lining the doorway are pure soul

>>11707077
Just the weather. It's still just 40% GO now and predictions are getting worse. It'll launch on the weekend is my guess.

>>11706969
Crane is now ERECT over SN4. Things are about to get interesting.

>>11707116
Soon tm.

>>11707077
this
i think they should cancel it
remember how the majority of the ocean floor is still unexplored?

>>11707104
I will have the launch thread locked and loaded at T-24 regardless!

>>11706888
>2 guys wearing face mask the rest not
?????

>tfw space travel will the defining moment for the zoomer generation
>tfw 9/11, mass immigration and terrorism is the defining moment for my generation

LITERALLY BORN TOO LATE AND BORN TOO SOON
FUCK THIS GAY EARTH

>>11707119
leg test?

>>11706763
If you replace the RS-25s with hydrolox NTRs it's actually worthwhile for orbit to orbit.

>>11706515
If you need to advertise your virtues anonymously, you'd better shut up and go make one. (Protip: you won't)

>>11706951
This. There's a difference between having childbearing hips and straight up becoming a beluga whale.

>>11707135
If you do the effort, you could be qualified to move out and star anew on Mars.

>>11707137
It's back down, looks like they were checking the height limit, either to lift the module or to put something ontop.

>>11706889
>You can raise children on Mars. We know this.

We don't.

>>11707145
Your brain is probably too small to understand this but I was pointing out something that should be fairly obvious which is that you need to be willing to accept a lack of 100% sure consequences in order to be capable of handling the future of space development. It's not some unique virtue to not be a bitch.

>>11706008
....what?

>>11706184
And that's the thing, retard. We're gonna have to move into PLANETS, which are marginally safer than space stations.

>>11706888
Playmobil Whalers on the Moon.

>>11707129
The closest support crew has been living more or less together in quarantine for a long time with BobenDoug. Assume the guys not wearing masks are in that closest support crew and the ones wearing masks are not.

>>11707135
It could be worse. Exploding shuttles and overdosing "rock stars" could be the defining moments for your generation.

>>11707139
*hydrogen Serpent NTR hybrids

Young Musk looking at his father's spaceship from above.

>>11707252
No, dougs son

>>11705727
As is the wealth-inequality gap.

>>11707252
Nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DiWxcilWtU

>>11705534
Damage control is desperately clinging to the hope that a project will fail simply for the chance that it will cast a bigger shadow than your own inadewuacies. One might as well ask "what will happen if Xi turns out to be a giant homo?"

>>11707259
correct, my mistake

>>11707309
how long are they staying at the ISS?

Holy shit we went from the kino, recognizable and simple worm

....to this?????

>>11707309
>Launch trajectory is NOT to scale!!!
Imagine if it was...

>>11707309
>Nose Cone opens T+12:46
What the fuck kind of bullshit is this? It's not supposed to catch up and dock until 19 hours after launch or thereabouts. Why the fuck would they expose the docking port 12 minutes into the mission for?

>>11707322
It's a test flight, my dude. They're testing to make sure the docking port actually opens in time for them to turn around and go home if it doesn't.

>>11707326
Not like they haven't flown the capsule in question before or anything, right?

>>11707316
IIRC the "worm" was associated with NASA's transition from the Apollo era to the Shuttle era, so it has some negative image problems.

>>11707334
It was also associated with a time when NASA was actually capable of human spaceflight.

>>11707322
I think there are some thrusters that are covered by the nose cose. It makes sense to expose those thrusters to use them.

>>11707339
Not 12mins 48seconds into a 19 hours catch up cruise.

>>11707341
its their space ship they can do whatever they want

>>11707316
Fuck you, Spiral-derived vehicles are pure kino.
>recognizable
that was because it was massively shilled
>simple
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11707322
Apparently, the star tracker is behind the nose cone, I'd guess because they want to protect the lenses from atmospheric contamination / dust

>>11707316
>simple worm
You don't understand what you're talking about. This "worm" allows the vehicle on your picture to self-stabilize while re-entering, unlike Shuttle. This thing is much more simple. If made to fly without toxic propellants, it can also land at any ordinary airstrip.

>>11707336
More like with the time when they've stopped innovating and have been dragged years behind by a flying contraption that was poor at everything it was designed to do and sucked all the funding. Small specialized spaceplanes for crew transporting make so much more sense, and are much safer.

>>11707368
I'm talking about the logo decal

>>11707368
Yeah, the shuttle was a piece of shit, but look at the fucking vacuum it left behind and look at what it took to get you off the ground again.

>>11707372
That's because Shuttle chewed up all the budget for anything else manned spaceflight at NASA, Shuttle and ISS

>>11707372
>but look at the fucking vacuum it left behind
it's called space

>>11707375
Very clever, I half expected that one.

>>11707372
>look at the fucking vacuum it left behind
It's not like Americans didn't knew it would stop flying years in advance

>>11707374
No, that's because the Orion CEV was designed to replace it, and of course it was cancelled again, just like all alternative-less mega-projects before it.

>>11707383
It took an upstart of a company to actually make it happen. An outsider who didn't play the political games of oldspace.
It's fucking ridiculous. USA would be hitching lifts on Soyuz forever if not for that.

>>11707390
I hope everyone is embarrassed seeing how they could have just done it the whole time, but they were wasting time with politics and jobs programs and legacy employees who don't want to work

>>11707390
>It took an upstart of a company to actually make it happen. An outsider who didn't play the political games of oldspace.
I don't know why anyone is surprised that the American private sector is more efficient than American government, or that industries need periodic disruption to be healthy.

>>11707397
It does seem like some are embarrassed at least.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/05/21/spacex-boeing-rivalry-launch/

>One industry official said executives inside Boeing “can’t accept” SpaceX is flying people first. “People are annoyed by Elon — how does this guy who smokes pot beat us?” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because that person was not authorized to speak publicly. “We have a lot of humble pie to eat here.”

kek

>>11706501
please, the proper slur is "cans on a string"

>>11707402
>But when Boeing’s Starliner was in trouble after it reached space late last year, Musk’s tone was markedly different. Having suffered through several failed missions, he added a touch of empathy.
>“Orbit is hard,” he tweeted. “Best wishes for landing & swift recovery to next mission.”
he's clearly gloating in that tweet

>>11707400
That's not the point. This was someone who came from nowhere and beat out the companies who had built the shit that put people on the moon.
Because all these other companies are private companies, they're not nationalized. They had just grown fat, lazy and complacent.

>>11707443
>That's not the point. This was someone who came from nowhere and beat out the companies who had built the shit that put people on the moon.
>or that industries need periodic disruption to be healthy
It helps if you actually read the entire post before replying.

>>11707383

Constellation had a gap from Shuttle retirement to Orion and Ares 1 finishing development and coming online that was comparable to the gap from Shuttle retirement to commercial crew coming online, and Soyuz capsules would also be purchased during that interim.

>>11707451
I do wish the Ares 1 had worked just for the meme value of using a giant SRB to put people in orbit. Crew Conestoga when?

So how does automated docking work?
Do they remotely steer the craft until it reaches a beacon system around to the docking port that guides it like an airport’s instrument landing system

>>11707322
It covers the star tracker, if it didn't open it couldn't navigate properly.

>>11707424
water in buckets

>>11707457
On board computers.

>>11707424
To be fair:
If Starship does the Earth -> Mars journey, that concept might be a good idea for the cruising phase.
It may not go all the way up to 1G for structural reasons, but even 0.3 to 0.5 G should reduce the side effects and get the astronauts used to martian levels of gravity.

>>11707491
you would 100% want it to be .3G to acclimate the travelers to Mars surface gravity so they don't have to deal with it when they're doing the arduous task of setting up the initial colony

>>11707292
>Xi is already a giant faggot for getting butthurt over the winnie the pooh thing.

>>11707316
The whole Dreamchaser is fucking ugly.

Looks ok from the front gliding down but that side profile is disgusting.

>>11707322
the star trackers and maneuvering thrusters (for actually applying deltav) are behind the nose cone

>>11707505
Correct.

>>11707531
looks alright, space whale

>>11707537
Wish they'd just finished Dyna-Soar and got this over with 50 years ago.

>>11707496
Structuraly speaking that's pretty easy to archive.
The load on the teather is just 30% of starships mass, at that point it isn't even full of fuel anymore so like 15-20% of it's maximum gravitational force as measured on earth.
A hardpoint for that would probably also be rather simple to engineer into the front end of it and given the shape of starship, it would spread out the load pretty well.

>>11707543
Wish they never bothered with Shuttle and went with the superior Venture Star

>>11707551
We dont want your aerospike kind around here...

>>11707556

>>11707561
It just dawned on me how fucking huge starship is. Its ~50m tall, so almost as tall as the shuttle, without superheavy

>>11707595
Smart Aqua poster

>>11707551
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Lockheed is the only redeemable oldspace company right now.. I mean the shuttles external tank wasn't perfect but they worked with what they had and Orion is actually assembled unlike the rest of SLS.. and the Titan was a beautiful launch vehicle for it's time not to mention JUNO and all the other satellites it's made..

>>11707606
>Is it just me or does anyone else think that Lockheed is the only redeemable oldspace company right now

No I feel the same, especially after Boeing fucked up so spectacularly, lost all respect for them by now. Lockheed seems to still have their shit together

>>11707035
>>11707073
Reminds me of Pacific Rim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpIiSW8zlFc

>>11707612
They also make both the F-22 and F-35 so clearly their airplane division is competent.

>>11707615
F-22 > F-35

>>11707617
That's why we don't export it.

>>11707017
>Make it look like a normal pressure suit without trying too hard to be fancy with all that star trek look. Pressure suits are badass on their own

T H I S

>>11707169
>Cum in vagina
>Sperm fertilizes egg
>Egg develops into embryo
>Embryo develops into baby
>it pops out

Pretty simple. Vertebrate eggs have no issue being fertilized or gestating in space.

>>11707628
>Vertebrate eggs have no issue being fertilized or gestating in space.
Anything more complex than a rodent?

>>11707623
tfw no pressure suit waifu

>>11707642
>tfw no pressure suit 12" figure

>>11707631
So not humans, which are not any more complex than rodents?

>>11707654
>humans, which are not any more complex than rodents?
Bipedal development is a lot more gravity oriented than mice and rats.

>>11707631
No mammal is more “complex” than any other mammal, just bigger. If they can handle zero gravity freefall, they can 100% handle 33% gravity.

>>11707642
Ur spacefu is a shit.

>>11707341
those are their main engines, anon

>>11707685
She looks like she’s fourteen

>>11707628
>Vertebrate eggs have no issue being fertilized or gestating in space
I hope you have a citation for this claim that I know you don't have a citation for because I know for a fact that none of this research has ever been done

>>11707685
at least my one has an actual working suit

>>11707698
> I hope you have a citation for this claim that I know you don't have a citation for because I know for a fact that none of this research has ever been done

I’ve already linked it in this thread. >>11706213
Frog eggs and frog sperm successfully fertilized, gestated, and became functional tadpoles. Rats who gestate in micro-g have worse balance on the ground but this disappears after a while.

>>11707650
Is that a fucking ball gag?

>>11707307
TOUCH SCREEN MANUAL RCS CONTROLS.
TOUCH SCREEN MANUAL RCS CONTROLS.
TOUCH SCREEN MANUAL RCS CONTROLS.
How are you not horrified by this?

>>11707729
I’d prefer a Playstation controller or keyboard myself.

>>11707729
I am.
Fuck touch screens.

>>11707699
Functionality over style, you say?
*blocks ur path*
>>11707694
The models for those MIT Bio-suits are usually students at the university.

>>11707729
Because they still can control everything with actual buttons&joysticks beneath the screens.
Dragon is made with the idea that at some point people with no training whatsoever will be using them, so everything has to be computer controlled anyway.

>>11707729
IIRC they also have physical controls, so the touchscreen is a backup.

>>11707736
and women, because elastic compression rides up dude's junk. But hey, it might make sense to just send female astronauts because of the increased movement freedom

>>11707748
>>11707747
pics or GTFO. I don't see any buttons.

>>11707729
It allows for potentially thousands of commands mapped to the one square cm of space.

>>11707749
Women are inferior mentally and physically.

>>11707749
All-women crews are impossible. Their cunts bleed, and they'd be at each others throats before even leaving LEO

>>11706454
>Pic
Fucking kek

>>11707551
Venture Star is fake news, anon

>>11707749
Just tuck lmao
All trap astronaut mission when

>build moon base
>BOOM
>one of the many daily meteorites wipes it off the face of the moon.

>LOL JUST BUILD UNDERGROUND
Good luck with that.

>>11707785
You want Space Wolves?
Because that's how you end up with Space Wolves.

>>11707786
>already has no argument and no one even had to respond

>>11707749
One word: Codpiece.

>>11707753
They are right there in the pic anon, it's those black buttons below the screens

>>11707753

>>11707789
I don’t think they’re serious. People have been building vast underground facilities for ages.

>>11707749
I don't hate women, but they are generaly not suited for sustained isolated operations.
They depend far more on social contacts and will try to kill each other within days.
If you don't belive me, look how they where affected by even social distancing.
Socialy isolated beta manlets are unironicly the best choice for long therm missions.

>>11707786
>send literally anything to space
>BOOM
>one of many meteorites pieces wipes it off this mortal coil
>LOL JUST BUILD ROBUSTLY
Good luck with that.

>>11707781
Venture star was real but it would never have worked a as a heavy lifter.
And i'm at least 90% certain that a lot of people in congress were convinced that it would work and thats why they completly destroyed the program and even stopped the army from taking over.
A SSTO, even one who could only carry a couple of people and a light cargo just didnt fit in the scam that boeing,etc.. were&still are running.