/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11692548
Wtf is going on with SN4. No one near it since the static fire and safety drones are in the air.

>>11692561
the hose they use to de-tank it popped so it's still full of boom

https://spacenews.com/ariane-6-maiden-flight-likely-slipping-to-2021/

Thrid for Boeing BTFO.

>>11692574
me on top of the truck
>>11692568
how do you know that?

>>11692582
just look at it, fucking obvious
also, if nobody's gone near it the only possible reason is that it's still full of boom

>>11692568
>>11692585
It's literally not possible that it could still be full of methane at this point.

>>11692605
says the man who's never worked in confined spaces

>>11692585
Couldn't they just open the pressure venting valve and let it all out?
If you are concerned about a gas bubble just vent a bit, wait for the wind to blow it away then repeat.

>>11692610
that's just going to turn your can full of fart-gas into a can of actual boom

engineers considered shooting a redstone that couldn’t detank back in yee olden days you know

>>11692612
How so?

>>11692561
>>11692582
>Now more than 12 hours after Starship SN4 fired up its new Raptor engine, the ~30m (~100 ft) tall, 9m (~30 ft) wide prototype is apparently trapped with one or both of its propellant tanks still partially filled with liquid (or gaseous) methane and/or oxygen. An initial road closure scheduled from noon to 6pm local quickly came and went and SpaceX and Cameron County Texas have since modified the paperwork, extending the closure a full 24 hours. In other words, SpaceX has reason to believe that Starship SN4 may continue to be unsafe (i.e. pressurized) as many as ~30 hours after it technically completed its third static fire test
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-prototype-limbo-test-fire/

My bet is it will never be allowed to hop now and they will move onto SN5 for the 150m hop.

>>11692610
>mixing tons of methane with air
Sure anon, it's not like that could blow up...

>>11692616
if the GSE has been disconnected then there's no way to purge it (don't purge it with atmosphere you flaming retard, that's how people get killed)

>>11692624
It's simple:
You purge the methane with oxygen and the oxygen with methane, what could possibly go wrong by mixing LOX with LNG?

>>11692621
>>11692624
>If you are concerned about a gas bubble just vent a bit, wait for the wind to blow it away then repeat.
Anyways, it's not like you have an option. The methane will heat and evaporate and you will have to vent it.

>>11692639
Venting methane is generaly done by burning it.
If that's not an option, have a helicopter hover over it to prevent it from building upnin concentrations high enough to ignite.

>>11692639
the atmosphere will get inside your tanks, and now you have a gas bubble in your tanks
you need to use the GSE to purge it with nitrogen

>>11692655
I guess you could risk lighting the vent jet up instead or using an helicopter but the anons are saying that the ship has been pressurized for 30 hours and they don't know what to do.
(Without giving reliable sources.)

>>11692655
Rotor vortex will drag some into the engine, you are just providing an ignition source doing that.

>>11692661
It will not because the internal pressure is higher then the external pressure.
Anyways, the gas will heat up and you will have to vent, even if you don't have a GSE. It's that or the tank explodes.

top lel http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-052020a-capture-flag-lost-spacex.html

Chad solution would be to just run that raptor engine to depletion.

>>11692655
Why not fire the engines until burnout? The Raptor’s still attached right?

>>11692692
>>11692683
I think they want to keep that Raptor, anons
burning to depletion will destroy the engine

>>11692683
>>11692692
After watching the cables on the side of the tank burn for a good 30 seconds I doubt they could if they wanted to.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8339713/British-firm-ground-tests-rocket-UK-soil-50-years.html

>>11692718
>britspaceprogramigon

>>11692725
pls no bully

They have a 20km permit for today. Maybe they are just going to fly it and that's why no one is working on it?

>>11692718
>first UK-based ground rocket test since the end of the Black Arrow programme
How long until the USA/France kills this one...

>>11692736
No way, even if it hadn't been on fire for awhile they would still need to detach it from the test stand and put legs on it.

>>11692736
That would be a chad move. Everyone bitching about safety and they just hop it. But nah, they'll move on to SN5 probably, which should be 100% ready by now.

>>11692733
oi mate want to suck my dick then i suck yours?
just some fun between two lads none of that sissy stuff

>>11692738
US will threaten them with trade tarifs unless they stop, how much of a fuck the UK gives today vs 50 years ago is anyones guess.

>>11692739
Those points are valid.

>>11692744
>imagine being this ignorant of geopolitics
US won't do shit, they might even be happy because it will increase the UK's defense expending too.

>>11692718
Neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loCFTpyvKjw

>>11692548
Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait

>>11692718
I'm rather pleased with our great British boffins' new method of disposing of waste peroxide and kerosene by using it to excavate holes in the ground

>>11692750
You know the US has been using the carrot and the stick to kill aerospace industries in "allied" nations for 80 years right?
If someone else is building planes and rockets suddenly the US loses a shitload of business.

>>11692750
USA will be fine with it but those french/eu kikes that run Arianespace and new European competitor groups will do everything they can to keep it off the market just like with black arrow.

>>11692762
https://www.skyrora.com/who-we-are
it's like 50% slavs lmao

>>11692754
you and me uwu

>>11692775
Why is Arianespace full of idoits?

>>11692807
French, Italians, and Germans

>>11692739
>>11692746
It already has landing legs folded up inside the skirt. That said there's no way they would respond to a hose popping off and the bottom being on fire for an hour by doing a sudden flight, even if it's somehow physically capable of it.

>>11692820
>It already has landing legs
Pic? I have only seen a dozen different 3d modles and no actual hardware.

>Emergency road closure currently set to end May 20 at 6:00 p.m.
I wonder how old muskyboy's gonna get out of this mess.

>>11692833

>>11692843
Thanks anon, you perv.

>>11692842
Dump the LOX on the ground, after than it's just a leaky methane tank which isn't nearly as bad.

>>11692842
BOING BTFO

>>11692843
l-lewd 0.0

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/heres-why-nasas-chief-of-human-spaceflight-resigned-and-why-it-matters/

what likely happens next? another static fire today or maybe even hop?

>>11692871
is this bait

>>11692871
Elon just called me. Corona 2 is way ahead of schedule, we're testing sn5 today and going to mars next week on sn6.
So long niggers and thanks for the fish.

>>11692861
That is a very interesting read but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't believe SLS would fly before 2024, I sure don't.

What will be a bigger screw up, F-35 or SLS?
Place your bets.

>>11692890
F-35 has alredy been exported making some of the huge cost back, SLS will never make a cent.

>>11692861
Maybe I'm just a brainlet but what did the guy actually do? It sounds like he was trying to give favor to Boeing but Boeing didn't actually win any money for HLS. Still makes him a retard but what is the actual career-ending offense?

>>11692890
starship
honestly fucking amazes me how you guys think this rocket is flying any time soon

>>11692574
Better pic

>>11692890
The F35's perceived issues are exaggerated by shitters who lack the capacity to understand the scope of the project and just scream "muh trillion" constantly without understanding the context of the figure. The magnitude of failure that SLS manages to achieve for the scope of its project greatly outweighs the problems with the F35.

>>11692900
I sounds more like congress thinks SLS is the best bet (because half of them are brought) and fired him because of it.
Given the act he broke he probably told ULA how much everyone else wanted and pointed out they could win asking for 100x that amount.

>>11692903
even if it somehow took until 2025 for the first flight, it's still years ahead of anything else

>>11692903
What do you consider "soon"? I think it'll take a few years but I would be amazed if it flew after SLS or New Glenn.

>>11692911
*couldn't win

>>11692911
>I sounds more like congress thinks SLS is the best bet (because half of them are brought) and fired him because of it.

The article makes it sound like he was actively trying to encourage the competitors to do an integrated lander using SLS though. Helping out Boeing/ULA seems more in line with that, but the article is awfully nonspecific for something titled "Here's why he resigned".

>>11692903
>"Let's be very honest again," Bolden said in a 2014 interview. "We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry."
>SLS is real
>I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9
>It's not that easy in rocketry

>>11692930
>I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9
>It's not that easy in rocketry
Whoops didn't mean to copy those two last lines.

>>11692930

Who cares about space when we could make Muslims feel good about themselves? Charles was truly the greatest Nasa leader.

>>11692924
If ULA contest and win under the new guy we will have our answer.
Maybe I'm just pessimistic about corruption but I would be very surprised if that isn't what happens, the guy that didn't pick ULA get fired for someone that does.

>>11692930
>SLS was purported to reuse Shuttle components but is taking over a decade to develop
>SLS has been supposedly ready for the test stand since 2014
>SLS is allegedly at the test stand since the beginning of this year but NASA isn't doing the test
I'm starting to think SLS is a hoax.

>>11692948
>>11692948
Given that the acting guy is connected to SpaceX and Loverro sounds misguided if anything, I'm not worried. Also, none of this has anything to do with ULA directly, who are just a redheaded stepchild.

>>11692950

>>11692890
the F-35 actually turned out great and the per-unit cost isn't bad at all, only uninformed shitters hate it at this point

>>11692962
Why do you think he's misguided? If I was given the job to getting back to the moon by 2024 I would treat SLS as a backup at best.
Honestly I would be looking into the viability of launching the CSM, LEM and TLI stages as seperate parts and docking in LEO.

>>11692943
>Who cares about space when we could make Muslims feel good about themselves?

If Muslims want to feel good about themselves, they can come to Mars and have a million kids.

>>11692982
>If I was given the job to getting back to the moon by 2024 I would treat SLS as a backup at best.
Sounds like that's the opposite of what happened and he bought the "seen it down at Michoud" meme.

Granted, that's partially just from B*rger reporting, but it also makes sense. If his offence had something to do with the actual HLS contenders, there would be a shelving or review of the candidates.

How are they going to drain SN4 or otherwise make it not dangerous?

HTV launch from Japan LIVE

https://youtu.be/3lBZVNwK6ao

Launch CT starts in 10 min

>>11693015
Thanks anon, with all these weather scrubs I need my fix.

>>11692861
fpbp:
>Any time something potentially bad happens in the space program, I’m just going to assume it’s Richard Shelby’s fault unless someone can prove otherwise.

>>11693015
Thanks.

>>11693025
We really need expendable senators, these reusabe senators seem to degrade to the point they cost more in the long run.

>>11693038
I just don't understand this reusable legislator meme. The amount of money you can save from reusing representatives isn’t enough to justify how much harder it makes it to pass the difficult bills that usually make money in the lawmaker world.

>>11693015
Needs armpit hair

Waifu LIVE

>>11692930
> I don’t see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy
>Admits it’s three Falcon 9s strapped together

Wtf lmao literal retard tier logic

Also I’m scared for SN4 bro’s. I though she was gonna be the one to hop :(

>>11693045
>Needs armpit flames
ftfy

>>11693051
SN5 and SN6 already exist lol

>>11693051
Most recent news I heard a few days ago was 150m on SN4, 20km on SN5. Depends what damage it took from the fire but they might be able to hop it if they can ever disarm that bomb.

>>11693066
As a construcion worker that has written all kinds of shit in places no one will ever see once it's done I would be very nervice about people taking photos of it.

>>11693015
NASA stream of the launch:

https://youtu.be/21X5lGlDOfg

T-25 min

>>11693071
kek Roastie commented OMG! Spend this money on small businesses and people struggling!!

Dumb bitch. At least next year Starlink will finally flood these streams in Africans praising the launch companies .

>>11693071
NASA just mentioned DM-2 on the stream. 19 hour transit, isn't that the fast path?

>>11693096
Pretty fast. usually the duration between Dragon 1 launch and docking to ISS is about 2-3 days. Crewed soyuz launch-docking duration has been around 6-12 hours lately.

>>11693089
>imagine the African shitposting thanks to Starlink

>>11693100
>Crewed soyuz launch-docking duration has been around 6-12 hours lately.
Neat. I hope Dragon can match that some day.

>>11693106
I bet the astronauts hope so too, imagine spending 2-3 days in a can without a shitter waiting to dock.
2 orbits (3 hours) is the minimum while keeping it safe for the ISS.

>>11693071
T-4 minutes!

T-3 min

What’s up with Asians and counting down every second? the Chinese do it too

>>11693117
Why does it take a million years? Docking in KSP takes like a minute.
Do they approach at like 2 inches a minute or something?

>>11693071
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>>11693136
They don't launch to intercept and instead launch when the ISS is on the other side of the earth for peak safety, catch is it take a lot longer to catch up to the ISS.
Basedus has been allowed to do near direct accent thanks to an amazing safety record, Dragon should be able to do the same eventually.

What a view

>>11693071
Hearing all this japaneese during a launch is giving me EVA flashbacks

Look at that Korolev cross.

>>11693146
>Basedus
GOOKMOOT

>>11693147
>Elon unveils the launch catgirl at DM2

>>11693153
did they change the filter?
onions/soi?

>>11693106

>>11693146
>They don't launch to intercept and instead launch when the ISS is on the other side of the earth for peak safety, catch is it take a lot longer to catch up to the ISS.

Ooooh okay. I try to launch relatively close to the target passing overhead so I’m not time warping for days

>>11693153
more like a Tanegashima T, due to the staggered release of opposite pairs of boosters.

>>11693161
I think they just had an exception for the Russian launch vehicle. Let's test that.

Soyuz
Basedus

starship hard hats in Boca

>>11693188
black hard hats is probably not a great idea

>>11693162
kek

HTV separation confirmed and on its way to ISS

JAXAchan a cute.
CUTE

>tfw no Tanegashima waifu

>>11693015
>>11693071
Thanks for making me read up about the LE-5 engine, I might have a new favorite operational vacuum engine.

>>11693188
Musk's dumbfuck avoidance of anything bright orange or yellow is one of the many reasons I support SpaceX as an organization, but not Musk as a person.

>>11693245
>t. never worked in construction

We don’t even wear hard hats lmao

>>11693245
Musk is a perfect example of high Int low Wis, he's a smart guy but does some really retarded shit.

>>11692718
Hopefully bong orange man will fucking kick Sadiq Khan out and fix Britain. I wanna make Africa British again.

>>11693245
Elon Musk is the best person alive. He is Jesus Christ

>>11693250
>t. never worked industrial construction
Houses are so simple they are a fall back for tradies too stupid for big projects.

>>11692890
F-35 actually flies.

>>11693253
I always laugh when people parrot that shit. He dropped his PHD to get in on that Silicon Valley dollar.
That decision alone was a wiser move than anything any of his critics have ever made.

Also literally this: >>11693255

>>11693221
totally! they also hold the record for the two smallest orbital launchers (Lambda 4 and the recent SS-520)

>>11693250
I know you can have all kinds of colors, but the point is they are all bright and hard to miss. Dark black is just asking for a "Whoops didn't see you down there" accident.

>>11693274
Lucky he has a fucking helmet on then.

>>11692950
it is absolutely not a hoax, SLS is real
SLS is a scam, totally different thing

>>11693255
It may be stupid, but I love Musk for being one of the few people pushing for optimism and positivity for the future. Whenever people ask me why I like him I just read them this quote:
>Life cannot just be about solving one sad problem after another. There need to be things that inspire you, that make you glad to wake up in the morning and be part of humanity.

What now Elon cultists?

>>11692620
Why? Because a pipe burst? They can replace it very easily and keep on with SN4.

>>11693312
It's not stupid. Fuck Musk-Haters.

Musk hasn't done or said anything recently that wasn't based. All other Car manufacturers were allowed to go back to production except Tesla. That is bullshit no matter what soccer moms have to say about it. Don't forget Musk has, has always had and probably always will have active parties lobbying against him behind the scenes.

>>11693312
I love what he's doing but think the man himself is far from perfect, right now he has ordered his Tesla employees to break the law under the threat of being fired. If you agree of disagree with the lockdown doesn't matter, ordering employees to break the law should in itself be illegal and those that do so should be prosecuted.

>>11693312
>Life cannot just be about solving one sad problem after another. There need to be things that inspire you, that make you glad to wake up in the morning and be part of humanity.
Based. The future has no room for doomers.

>>11693259
It's a jack of all trades, master of none.
It's going to be a great plane to bomb towelheads who can only fire back from the ground, but when faced against a enemy with air capability they would be average at best.

>>11693345
Do you have a source on that. Elon himself said that no employee was forced back into work and no jobs would be at risk for anyone choosing to self isolate. Genuine question because I don't follow Tesla.

Also why are you posting this in /sfg/ when we have been sat watching workers in Boca Chica the entire lockdown.

>>11692548
So starlink is supposed to net 50 bil a year once established. Do you guys think musk will funnel it into mars or jew out with it?

>>11693188
Wait a minute...

>>11693335
empire 2: colonial boogaloo

>>11693359
If he wanted to jew out SpaceX would never have existed. Starlinks primary goal is to make SpaceX ultra funded.

The only thing that worries me is SpaceX talking about breaking Starlink off as a seperate public company from SpaceX. I worry about Shareholders fucking it over. Not Musk.

>>11693353
The plane itself isn't that great but the new datalink will give it a huge advantage even agaisnt near peers.

>>11693356
https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/13/tesla-employees-who-dont-return-to-work-could-lose-unemployment-benefits/
While not exactly "forcing" it's more like "the government will cut you off" which isn't true.

As for SpaceX continuing I have no problem with that and see it as a vital industry unlike a car manufacturer. Waiting an extra 6 months for a car isn't a big deal, waiting an extra 6 months for the largest reusable rocket in history kind of is.

>>11693335
Britain will never get it's act together. Even when we have a lead, we throw it away.

>>11693374
Yeah I have no idea why he is talking about publically listing something that could fund SpaceX towards the ultimate goal of Mars.

>>11693382
maybe one day we won't

>>11693382
>>11693387
Brits will riot over a soccer game but will let their country go full 1984 without doing shit to stop it.
I hope you get it together one day but I have serious doubts based on what I have seen these last 20 years.

>>11693364

>>11693312
>It may be stupid, but I love Musk for being one of the few people pushing for optimism and positivity for the future

There must be some weird monkey psychology behind people with the best living standards in human history, modern westerners, being nihilistic unhappy pessimists with abysmal fertility rates. I want to live on Mars where frontiersman optimism dominates.

>>11693359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9olSzNOh8s&t=2675s

>>11693345
The law is dumb.

>>11692997
>they can come to mars
A-are you on mars anon?

>>11693379
yea my work said that too but I've been working the entire time anyway. If you ignore the Journalists opinion piece and just read the quote. Tesla is not punishing staff in anyway. It's kinda jewish of them but it's just how the furlough is. You can't put that on that Elon himself anymore than these black hard hats he's no doubt never seen.

You actually have that backwards by the way. Just look at Virgin and all the big Aerospace companies. One month of lowered production and poor quarterly projections and even the biggest businesses are fucked. Rocket companies are grant farms they can delay, sometimes for years and still exist. A car company actually couldn't.

>>11693382
>>11693395
>Britain my country, yuo are WWII winner and must decide your fate
>Will yuo build the first human flight capable rocket using V2 designs as a base model proving your capability to remain as the most powerful nation currently in existence by setting the first steps in colonizing the solar system?
>Or spend all your money on immigrants
>...

>>11693385
Publically listing would make it more profitable?

>>11692963
The Orion capsule is far more of a boondoggle than the SLS

>>11693411
That profit would go to shareholders rather than SpaceX.

>>11693413
it's so irrelevant at this point most people forget it's even a thing outside of retarded HLS requirements

>>11693420
ah yea ok. I thought the post I quoted was sarcasm.

Hopefully it'll stay private anyway.

>>11693250
You do when the inspector demands it

>>11693373
kek
>year 2100 queen Elizabeth II visits New Manchester on the moon

>>11693387
I hope so. Our prosperity would depend space exploration, and actually fucking developing a proper nuclear industry without having to pay the French and Chinese.

>>11693385
He pockets the money of the IPO and doesn’t have to wait to accumulate capital from years of launches.
If he doesn’t regulators will come after the company in the future anyways because anti thrust laws.

>>11693408
Watching the old Quatermass serials are frustrating cause Nigel Kneale had a vision of British space flight which was exciting for the time.

Musk decided drop his PHD to make an internet version of the yellow pages. Made so much money he could hatch a plan to put a greenhouse on Mars to inspire kids only to turn that plan into a private rocket company that reinvigorated the entire Spaceflight industry only to put up a Satellite constellation that will make his plucky startup better funded than multiple nations Space Programs put together including NASA and is unironically sowing the seed of a honest to God Rothschild/Atreides tier Martian Dynasty all while running several other major companies but he's low Wis guys.

I love what he's doing but he's dumb as fuck. Unlike me. Who would never have left South Africa.

>>11693163
you can only do that because KSC is on the equator
the real KSC (and baikonur) are not on the equator, so they need to wait for the ISS to pass overhead

>>11693451
Anti-trust doesn't care if your public or private and other companies are already planning competing networks. You aren't wrong about the time scale, they could make more in the IPO than they would in the first 5 years.

>>11693492
it's a normie cope, they honestly think it takes intelligence to be likeable

>>11692948
ULA wasn't competing, Boeing and Lockheed Martin were competing separately.
Boeing's bid got rejected. Lockheed's bid was part of the most expensive proposal.

>>11693493
Not only that, but the ISS isn’t on an equatorial orbit. Why’d they stick it in a weird one?

>>11693399
>There must be some weird monkey psychology behind people with the best living standards in human history, modern westerners, being nihilistic unhappy pessimists with abysmal fertility rates.
We're being targeted with deliberate malicous propaganda to suppress birthrates and justify bringing in replacement immigration.

>>11693535
>Why’d they stick it in a weird one?
So Russia can reach it easily. IIRC it's easier to go from a low inclination launch site to a higher inclination orbit, than going from a high inclination launch site to a lower inclination orbit.

>>11693535
It's easy to get to from Baikonur and KSC, both get a launch window to 53 deg daily.

On their way!

>>11693117
Dragon 2 has a toilet.
>>11693535
It's the minimum inclination for Baikonur to be able to reach it. The original plans for Space Station Freedom had it at 33 degrees (the KSC inclination) as was Skylab.

>>11693546
KSC gets one twice daily, although I think they only ever use the northern one.

>>11693492
Well, I don’t agree with him. What else could explain that besides him being dumb?
Clown.

>>11693566
With Starship at full cadence they could do both and literally have people commute to the ISS.

>>11693572
they don't get fast-intercept every day, I think that happens once a month or something

>>11693542
Don’t forget Hanlon’s Razor. The most developed Muslim countries also have shit birthrates, and they’re dropping across the board all over Africa too. Makes no sense to me why populations with the most amenities and easiest lives would fail to reproduce enough to make up for deaths. It’s pathetic either way.

>>11693497
My assumption was that spacex was the only launch option because no one knows shit about blue origin. I forgot about electron.
Also he could raise a lot of capital fast for it as the other anon said.

>>11693335

-16% projected GDP. RIP. Soon brits will be plumbers in Poland.

>>11693598
USA is like -30

>>11693572
Fuck the ISS once Starships are flying. Put a single one in orbit and you already have about the same livable space, pump out the tanks and it's dwarfed. Eventually they'll be bringing components to make a proper station, but until that is set up a single starship will be the best station ever put into orbit.

>>11693584
Because educated people realize that there are more rewarding things in life than raising a children.
Because educated are in a better position to negotiate jobs so they don’t need to use children as an escape from their shitty lifes.
Because people want the best for their children and being educated allows you plan how many children you will have and how you will raise them. Having fewer children obviously allows them to have a better life quality.

>>11693617
Too educated to succeed as an organism lmao

>>11693584
>Makes no sense to me why populations with the most amenities and easiest lives would fail to reproduce enough to make up for deaths.
Hormonal birth control. Far too many women take it when they're young and have a bunch of sex with men they don't intend to marry. This means that by the time they actually try to have children their eggs are 80% gone and their neurochemical ability to pair bond is irreversibly degraded. It's the kind of thing you'd give away for free to your enemies if you understand how it works.

>>11693616
Other anon here.
This had not occurred to me. We could just use the tanks for other stuff.
Do you know if we would have to cover the internal walls with something, since they were used for methane? The same way you can’t re use a gasoline gallon for drinking water.
What about cutting the tanks open. Do you think they would use a welding machine or a saw?

>>11693617
>Because educated people realize that there are more rewarding things in life than raising a children

No there isn’t. Enjoy extinction.

>>11693616
Based and wet-workshop-pilled.

>>11693624
An educated person would have realized that their personal values are not universal.

>>11693635
Just glue a blanket to the internal walls
It’ll provide insulation and keep people from knocking their brains out bumping around

>>11693638
The dead don’t feel joy or pain.

>>11693648
The only universal value is granted by biology and it is to pass on your genes. To deviate from this is to fail.

>>11693342
Authorities might not like a tank that had a failure going up in the sky

>>11693658
>appeal to nature

>>11693662
>lol humans aren't nature

>>11693657
The living do, and those alive in the future won’t be descended from the cretins whose “education” caused them to fail at something a roach performs without error or hesitation. Elon Musk has a higher fertility rate than the average Ugandan

>>11693649
>Just glue a blanket to the internal walls
Seems too straightforward, simple, and cheap. I propose that we develop a specialized liner made from a plastic made in Wisconsin ,which is then formed into sheets in Arizona, and then finally made into the proper liner in Alabama. This would be far superior as a liner than mere blankets one could get from Walmart and much more mass conscious, all for a small increase in cost of twenty times. The development will be expensive, but it is a small price to pay for space flight, Senator.

>>11693661
How do you know it was the tank and not some ground support puimbing?

>>11693662
Humans are products of nature and part of nature ourselves. Trying to lie away our animalistic impulses is a sure way to enter malaise.

>>11693635
Methane is pretty tame as fuels go, it'll need to be vented thoroughly (or knocking in a door will have spicy results whether they use saw or what) but nobody's gonna get sick because there was some residual methane sitting around.

>>11693668
I don’t care to what happens after I’m dead.
I don’t want to be Elon Musk, I just want his rockets to work.
Incidentally, I don’t care to how many children you have. Just breed more uneducated retards, I will either die or leave earth and they will be someone else’s problem.

>>11693678
Smart. Breed away then, idc.

>>11693691
>I don’t care to what happens after I’m dead

That’s really sad, and this is why politicians should be legally required to have offspring.

>>11693705
Another very smart comment.
I will just stop replying desu.

>>11692903
It probably won't fly before New Glenn or SLS, but considering it's development time and scope it will be by far the biggest success in space history since Apollo

>>11693492
He only made a few million
He funded Spacex with NASA grants

>>11693780
I think it’s better for NASA to give grants and sign contracts with private entities and universities rather than develop things in-house.

Trump policy has opened up the commercial sat market. Now commercial sats can sell all kinds of Earth observation data, including radar, night-time, and infrared (pic related). There's going to be a boom in commercial sat launches now.
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/05/commerce-slashes-restrictions-on-remote-sensing-sats/

President Trump is likely to be present at the launch next week.

https://www.wesh.com/article/will-president-trump-attend-launch/32618673

>>11693792
Only under the condition that whomever receives the grants must have something developed within a reasonable time-frame. Those who are egregiously late and over budget are fined.

>>11693871
Of course.

I'm interested in the upcoming drama behind the Human Spaceflight Director's exit. Should be spicy.

I hate that this thread attracts the board’s most retarded posters.
Those uneducated pieces of shit take pride in being stupid.
There was even a guy that didn’t believe in climate change one of those days.
We are almost a general for IQ posters.

>>11693839
The White House Press Secretary basically said "no comment" today so that's still up in the air.

>>11693792
Eh no it’s only better to fund other people when there is an economic advantage for it, like machinery or people that aren’t working full time on whatever contracted project

It makes zero sense for NASA to fund the whole project then own nothing at the end of it

What does nasa have to show for tens of billions in commercial crew/cargo?
Options to purchase launches at twice the market price?

>>11693887
What's your bet? Gateway being dropped from the critical path, HLS selection, or Commercial Crew hiccups?

>>11693839
No surprise

Elon Musk has too much influence on young voters and might not be a Democrat.

That's the only thing 'wrong' with him. That's why he's getting smeared. It's all so tiresome.

Tulsa, OK is currently building a graven image of Musk in order to lure the tesla factory kek

>>11693926
>What does nasa have to show for tens of billions in commercial crew/cargo?
Commercial Cargo ran up to $665M. Commercial crew ran up to $8,362M. Far from the "tens of billions". Also, what NASA got out of it was cheaper access to space, seats cheaper than even the Soyuz, a native source of space transport, and helped up a company that became a world leader in launches. I'd say they got their money's worth out of it.

>>11693926
No a fraction of the market price. Do you know anything about SpaceX?

Funding SpaceX has already saved NASA tens of millions.
tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/russian-space-chief-attacks-spacex-for-predatory-pricing-musk-replies-story-vIxYIpBeyLy2KjNpwm6IfL.html

>>11693936
who even votes anymore

>>11693839
going to be extra painfull then if it fails.

>the Japanese launch earlier was the final mission for both the HTV cargo ship and H-IIB rocket
The new rocket, H3 will launch later this year.

>>11693912
Who cares about climate change? Oh no it’s warmer ahhhh

>>11693926
>What does nasa have to show for tens of billions in commercial crew/cargo?

>The most significant improvement, beyond even the improvements of 2-3Xtimes reviewed to here, was in the development of the Falcon 9 launch system, with an estimated improvement at least 4X to perhaps 10X times over traditional cost-plus contracting estimates, about $400 million vs. $4 billion.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20170008895.pdf

>>11693954
Neat, I didn't realize I was watching the final launch of the booster as well as the spacecraft.

>>11693964
Obviously that doesn't count because Elon was mean on twitter.

So how did SpaceX make a rocket that isn‘t fire proof? Why did that pipe just fall off suddenly after half a dozen tests?

>>11694002
No rocket if fire proof.
My best guess would be thermal cycling.

>>11693948
The far left and the far right. Enjoy your cold civil war.

>>11694002

>>11694002
That's exactly why you test it.
If something is wrong, you'll find out and can prevent it from happening in the future.

>Road closure now extended by another 11 hours
>Reopening possibly at 5am
Yikes, things really are bad.

>/sci/ is forced to build a rocket that can ferry 6 people and 200 pounds of machines to build a moonbase using proven rocket and material tech
How would it look and how would it work?

>>11694002
>fire proof
Leaking burning fuel will set any material on fire, anon. Considering it's in tact I'd say that's fireproof enough.

>>11694072
Like that "orbital assembly" image but with more nonconsensual sodomy.

>>11694072
>seperate CSM, LEM and TLI stages
>launch on Falcon and Delta Heavies
>dock in LEO
>TLI goes up last so it can use hydrolox without too much boiloff
Done.

>>11694072
Pic related for crew.

>>11694093
This for cargo.

>>11693342
>Why? Because a pipe burst? They can replace it very easily and keep on with SN4.

It depends on how much damage the fire did after burning for something like an hour. I have no doubt that they could fix it and get it flying, but they already have SN5 ready to go and SN6 probably within a week of done. It may make more sense to just throw SN4 into the scrap pile with all the old nosecones and kepe moving onwards.

Or, if the tank integrity hasn't been affected, maybe they pull the Raptor off and see if they can hit 8.5 bar. If they do, rad, if not then they lose nothing of value but gain another failure datapoint.

>>11694072
The Pepe 1 rocket could use a cluster of seven identical solid boosters fired in a 4-2-1 sequence for the booster stage. A pseudo hypergolic upper stage using ethanol+nitrous oxide (or hydrogen peroxide) would carry the payload to LEO. A second launch containing a refueling spacecraft will be sent to refuel the upper-stage with booze and laughing gas for the trip to the moon. Repeated launches would be done until the lander mission is assembled in a stable region of low lunar orbits to dab on Gateway.

I haven't done the math yet, but it seems feasible.

>>11694080
This. It did alot better than the World Trade Center.

>>11694093
>nonconsensual
That’s gonna be the hard part.

>>11694116
Jet fuel can’t launch steel towers

>>11693780
He bought NASA's attention with that few million, which is what's important here.

>>11693912
No, there's already a thread for that

>>11694072
Asparagus staging, and uses unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine. Only launches from Wenchang so a shitton of highly carcinogenic fuel tanks land all over China. Orbital stage connects to a previously launched fuel depot, just to dab on Congress. Performs a direct-ascent landing on the moon because rendezvous is gay. cargo is unloaded like those Canadian logging ships that just tip over until the logs fall off the deck. Spacesuits are expensive, so astronauts just step out onto the lunar surface in pressurized sleeping bags. Slowly they worm themselves to the moonbase airlock. The craft is righted using ascent engine gimbal and a few car jacks on takeoff. standard reentry is followed by parachute deployment and splashdown, since lithobraking is also gay.

>>11694002
the rocket is fire proof
the issue is that it's not thermal-cycling proof or vibration-proof, so a pipe fell off
there's only two ways of fishing out that sort of problem:
breaking a few prototypes
and
analysis paralysis

>>11694151
>Asparagus staging
Not a single person has made that work in real life. Plumbing is a tad more complex than "I connect yellow straws, engines go SLUURRRRP".

>>11694115
So does the initial payload include the lander or is that separate?

>>11694072
>1st stage
4 Falcon Heavy bosters around a core stage, fully re-useable.
>2nd stage
Expendable core stage with a single vacuum Raptor engine.
>3rd stage (TLI, orbital insertion, lander)
Methalox cryogenic stage, single vacuum Raptor with active cooling system.
>Ascend stage
LESS with small inertial navigation system, but manual controll only.

>>11694174
>four falcon heavy boosters around a core stage
he said things that exist, anon
that doesn't exist

>>11694072
>>11694106
You don't even need that for crew. Just build your kick stage train first and send up the people when it's ready. The whole thing can be done with F9, maybe FH if you want to put a larger single-piece crew vehicle up there. It's orbital lego bitch, just assembly-line mass manufacture your component pieces and STACC.

>>11694174
>LESS back to Earth
>MOOSE to the surface

>>11694174
>LESS with small inertial navigation system, but manual controll only.
Did someone mention LESS, my beautiful rocket chair wife?

>>11694168
That is because no one has the balls to put an open cycle turbo-pump in the middle of that straw.
Sure you throw a little delta-v overboard but the gains would be more than worth it.

>>11694171
It all depends on the mission architecture, but I think a lander then payload then people approach might work best.

>>11693835
this is going to bring about next-level land use analysis, things are going to get /efficient/

>>11694176
Ok, then let's go full autism using only proven parts:
>launch engine and controll system section with FH
>launch individual fuel tanks that dock on ports left and right of thrust section with two additional FH
>launch additional fuel tank docking above thrust-section
>launch capsule with F9
>dock in orbit
>perform TLI and orbital maneuvers with outside tanks
>drop tanks when empty during descend to moon
>land with single fuel tank

>>11694179
Now this guy is getging what I'm talking about!
>>11694183
Yes, the solution to payload issues is to launch LESS.

>>11694185
Or that straw feeds directly into the turbopump of an engine, but said engine switches to its own tank just before undocking the burned out stages.

>>11694072
Gigachad one piece huge solid

>>11694179
>>11694205
Actually with such a tiny payload requirement (100kg of machinery) you could do the entire thing on a Crew Dragon with an expendable Falcon Heavy, since that has over 16,000kg payload to TLI. The only thing missing is a space suit that's tolerable to live and work in for a couple of weeks straight.
>sardine mode capsule to lunar orbit
>suit up and EVA to unpack the service module
>ride LESS units down to surface
>set up micro camp with spaceblanket tents, air/food/water/waste transfer machines, etc. and cots to sleep on
>do initial work to build moonbase, resting at camp
>set up machines to do next phase unattended (drilling into cliff faces, ISRU bricks, etc.)
>ride LESS units back up to Dragon
>leave piss and shit bags in section of service module to burn up in atmo
>return to Earth

With the 4ASS standard 50t-TLI kickstage yeet train that gives you another ~35,000kg of payload to work with, which is some much nicer heavy machinery and a pressurized hab so you don't have to sleep in suits. Still LESS+Dragon for the way home though.

>>11694291
never reply to my posts with a frog ever again
also, that excludes MOOSE, and LESS was a one-way trip, not a round trip like you're proposing

>>11693420
The same shareholders who pay up front and take all the risk holding a tech stock.
SpaceX gets 20 years worth of profits in one hit now. It's far more preferable to funding Mars rather than waiting for the money to trickle in.

>>11694322
>never reply to my posts with a frog ever again
No.
>also, that excludes MOOSE, and LESS was a one-way trip, not a round trip like you're proposing
There's enough mass budget to not need MOOSE, and LESS can be modified with extra droptanks for the way down. MOOSE doesn't make sense as a primary given that you're already going to need a reentry-capable human-rated capsule just to get the mission off the ground at all. MOOSE actually makes more sense for using Starships to build a space station. Park it in orbit, dock, do the bits of module connecting that can't be done remotely, leave the remaining fuel for station-keeping, and use MOOSE to bail out. That gets you 100m3 of station space per launch, so you can put the thing together in a hurry.

>>11694322
>never reply to my posts with a frog ever again
You're forgetting that the mascot of 4ASS is a frog.

>>11694360
yeah but it's a cool frog instead of a gay reddit frog

>>11694364
It's literally the same frog, in honor of an astrofrog named Pepe Gagarin.

>>11694322
Gas yourself pedophile

>>11694328
>>11693420
>>11693411
Elon said he won't make it public until starship is ready, not necessarily that he will though. I think he has had enough of public stocks after all the stock market kikes fucking with Tesla. That being said, yes it would mean a massive capital injection to fund setting up initial Mars ventures until enough people buy tickets to self fund it, although starlink will probably do that anyway.

>>11694440
>enough people buy tickets to self fund it
I don't think that is going to happen in our lifetime, tickets will be a luxury for the rich and most that want to go will go once for bragging rights and never fly again.

there's a S.A.B.R.E. thread up on the catalog right now, but it's been infested by the rockets don't work in space spammer
please use your gay frog powers to liberate that thread

>>11694459
Report and ignore. It's just a janny trying to stir up some more ad revenue.

>>11694484
the moderation staff doesn't do shit unless multiple people use the report function, anon
also, get new memes please

>>11694486
>the moderation staff doesn't do shit unless multiple people use the report function
Sure, but then the janny would just be told to wait awhile before trolling again.

>get new memes please
It's not a meme. The staff are incentivized to shit up threads either directly or allowing tolls to run rampant before "fixing it", because more shitposting means more views on the site which means more ad revenue.

>>11694500
Curiously, I'm not even getting ads on /sci/, even though it's whitelisted.

>>11694451
>tickets will be a luxury for the rich and most that want to go will go once for bragging rights and never fly again.

It’ll be like 500 dollars

>>11694524
More like 5 million.

>>11694527
>>11694451
Projected costs are several hundred k. There will be a mass exodus from earth if this is even remotely close.

>>11694524
>>11694527
if you can get a week vacation down to $100,000 or so then a lot of upper middle class and above people are going to start doing it

>>11694540
Even if starship ends up costing 10m a flight, based on an airliner style configuration that Musk said, 1k people per starship, which seems about right, that's 10k for a ticket.

>>11694536
Projected costs, like the 35k model 3. Musk talks a lot more than he delivers.

>>11694551
You can buy a 35k model 3 right now, fuck off.

>>11694558
no, you cannot

>>11694550
that is so aesthetic

>>11694558
not exactly-if you lump in the savings on gas it gets close but it's closer to 40k for the basic Model 3 right now.

>>11693666
No.

>>11693912
/sfg/ has the most good looking and intelligent people on 4chins

>>11694548
yeah, but you're only going to be fitting 60 people or so on an upper middle class vacation cruise to 250kmx30 degrees circular
that fairing is has a 9mx9m cylinder section and then it tapers along another nearly 9m long cone, so there's plenty of room for that, but they're going to want a bit more room than your Mars colonists in their 100 person cruise

>>11694584
Nazi science is the best in the world

>>11693940

>a gigantic statue dedicated to the oil industry is now used to help lure in one of the people gradually making them irrelevant

my how the turn tables...

>>11694594
You wouldn't use the starship as the cruise vessel. I mean you could but you would be better off just docking it to an orbital hotel in your desired orbit, made up of a bunch of starship elements.

>>11694550
>clover made it
DM-2 is saved

>>11692548
Takeoff eh?

i want to fuck a space shuttle

>>11694616
We know, Barack.

>>11694621
kek

>>11694611
surprised no one has made this joke yet

Worm logo goes well with the suit

>>11694550
looks like a grey-scaled frog eating the Earth along with the ISS.

Current logo not so much, but still looks good.

>Not augmenting yourselves with mechanical implants that allow you to operate on Mars and in space unhindered or using space and resources unnecessary to sustain the important biological organs
The Omnissiah is disappointed in all of you

>>11694641
>>11694631
how much for one of these?

>>11694631
>>11694641
As much as I like to meme about
the G I R T H
these suits are damned classy

>>11694654
i want to see the ex-Navy SEAL guy in one

>>11694657
the asian doctor dude? with the mile-long resume?

>>11694653
You'd probably need to donate a large enough amount to significantly impact Starship production. Otherwise it isn't really worth their time.

>>11694550
It's clean, but the helmet is kinda tacky. Prefer the NASA patch.

>>11694662
seems like it'd be a great way for daddy elon to make some more side bucks, especially now given corona-chan's warpath. wasn't too long ago he sold a flame... err i mean a not flamethrower.

>>11694635
Can't unsee that shit. Meme magic is real I guess

>>11694669
Nothing is beyond our reach.

>>11694561
>>11694572
It's not an official model right now, but to my knowledge americans can order a 35k model 3 by phone. Obviously if they can max their production capacity selling the more premium versions for 40-45k they'll do that instead.

>>11694667
The logistics of building out that suit production shop, hiring and training more suitmakers, and all the other associated bullshit that goes along with it, means it's not worth doing right now.

>>11694561
>>11694572
(>>11694680) was right, you can still buy one for 35k, it's called the standard range and it limits battery range through the software.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127490_the-35k-tesla-model-3-still-exists-off-menu

>>11694635

are we just sort of skimming over the fact that THEY SORT OF LOST THE FLAG AT ONE POINT
>>11692670

>>11694631
>>11694641
those have really nice A E S T H E T I C S

>>11694722
>It might be the most high-profile, if not also the highest game of "capture the flag" ever played
some may beg to differ

>>11693353
>but when faced against a enemy with air capability they would be average at best.
It is literally the other way around it is great in contested airspace and cheaper than most modern gen4+ you can get

>>11694722
>http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-052020a-capture-flag-lost-spacex.html
Wow, a happy ending. Very cool, hope they make a big deal of it.

>>11694736
Just wait until a 4ASS autistronaut rushes to the moon to steal the flag of Reddit's attempt to put boots on the moon.

>>11694736
god I miss 2017

>>11694440
Yeah but starlink is a viable company with one focus, even with all the issues going public spacex could raise a lot more cash from starlink to fund their operations and they'd still own a stake anyway. Just look at tesla, people are willing to pay top dollar to get in on his companies even with all the shitposting.
>>11694451
Not long ago big round the world airline trips were considered once in a lifetime purchases that people saved years to afford.
It really comes down to how far they can push reusability and get the per kg price down to, actual fuel costs are pretty damn cheap for a 80kg person to LEO.
Average Falcon 9 launch is about $200k in fuel.

>>11694810
You also have to factor in control crew and all the support stuff. Plus life support. Also the fact waitlists are probably gonna be long.

>>11694072
A total vindication of Chelomey's batshit insanity.

>>11694865
that's a lot of hypergolics

>>11694874
For boom.

>>11694858
Don't forget the insurance costs of filling a rocket with civilians.

>>11694907
as opposed to the insurance cost of filling a plane with civilians? these things will change

>>11694914
Eventually but right now rockets are statistically orders of magnitude more dangerous than planes.

>>11694725
This reminds me, what about the jap billionaire that paid to go round the moon? Is he going to be on Starship?

>>11694932
Yes.

>https://deadline.com/2020/05/elon-musk-spacex-launch-live-discovery-science-channel-katy-perry-adam-savage-1202939132
hype hype hype

>>11694932
that's the plan, it's gonna be great

>>11694940
>Adam savage
>Katy perry
>le ebin glitter bomb man

Hohoho

No thanks, would rather subject myself to the estronaut than that cancer. Fortunately all the /sfg/ chads will be watching the spacex stream.

>>11694973
in the launch thread I hope! I'll make it extra-full of information and links. Should be a grand time.

>>11694940
Oh no

>>11694973
apart from savage who likes models and suit replicas, what the fuck do these have to do with space at all. Are they just there for normie bait?

>>11694940
Wtf, Katy perry? Why? I fucking hate discovery. And the history channel. Both went off the deep end. Mythbusters, modern marvels and the military shows were all cool. Fuck corporate jews. Hope they're happy with pawn stars and gold rush.

>https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1263296976499748864
holy shit it's real

>>11695130
sexy, love the scorch marks on those boosters

>>11695120
>Are they just there for normie bait?
Yes, 100%
We already care about spaceflight, the average person doesn't. This thing is to draw in the masses.

>>11693069
I'm an architect clearly you never worked in a legit big site. I have a 0 tolerance policy on stupid shit like jokes, grafitti, urination outside of bathroom.

Sadly some retarded idiot like you who think it's cool or ok to act like a monkey always comes along. I have 0 regret taking the food of their families mouth, the blame is all on daddy this is a respectable enterprise we are the makers of the habitat of mankind, no place for monkeys here only educated humans.

>>11693069
Oh and I forgot about cat calling. It's not that I'm into feminism but if you break the social contract for something as primitive as being horny the you're not disciplined enough to work on my site and , yet again ,blame daddy for losing your chew. A girl can walk in her bikini trough my site, my workers will barely lift their aight from their tasks

>>11694865
That thing is by far the kerbalest rocket ever seriously proposed.
Da da comrade just add more boosters

>>11695191
>>11695203
Your bait was already obvious, you can stop posting now.
>>11695143
It bothers me that they didn't clean those off before bringing them inside.

>>11695224
Cleaning is cost, scorch marks are style

>>11695233
It's a status symbol.
>oh hey KSC what's up, just rolling this reusable booster on by
>just refill the tanks, stack the second stage, and plug in a course and she's good to go
>sorry you can't play with your toys without breaking them

>>11695191
>>11695203
Baito desu

>>11695224
Falcon 9 is the only reusable rocket in the world, it's unique.

>>11695363
Falcon 9 reusability has shown me what a mess the Shuttle was, and I used to be a huge Shuttle fanboy.

>>11694217
incredibly based

>>11693616
Based

>>11695143
>>11695224
I love the industrial look of scorched boosters can't wait to see 5yo boosters with the paint burnt off.

>>11695562
yay, someone that understands how it's scorch marks and not soot

>>11694874
Wasnt there a Lox variant called the UR-700M?

>>11695578
*UR-M0M

>>11695569
SpaceX does a lot of shit for optics to make things sound safer to normies, calling a suicide burn a "hover slam" is one example while calling scorch marks "soot" is another.

Just got finished reading the Boeing lunar lander proposal. Not only can it not land outside of 10 degrees from the equator, it WILL NOT BE READY BY 2024. Boeing actually sent a plan to NASA that would not meet the deadline by two years.

>>11695609
Lets be real, no one is going to get it done by 2024. They probably thought honesty was better for them long term than bullshit.

>>11695615
That may well be the case, but its about appearances. How would it make Bridenstine look if he accepted a plan openly contrary to his claims.

>>11695615
and we all know that Boeing could careless about honesty.

baking a new bread:

>>11695620
>>11695620
>>11695620

>>11695615
>Lets be real, no one is going to get it done by 2024.
I think starship could reach the moon by 2022.

>>11695623
When has Bridenstine claimed it could be done? I have only seen him say things like "it's our priority" or "NASA has a history of delivering".

>>11695628
Congress seems to be slowly turning against them since they turned down bailout for shares, if some senators can also point to a blatant lie it would only hurt them more.

>>11694917
>Eventually but right now rockets are statistically orders of magnitude more dangerous than planes.

To a large extent that just relies on us getting a shitload of flight hours. Planes weren't particularly reliable at the beginning either, but when you've got thousands of them flying around the globe at all times it gets a lot easier to pick out the issues in your designs and streamline the entire process. It won't be overnight, but if they get even a fraction of the launch cadence they want with Starship you'll start seeing the failure rate plummet within the first few years.

>>11694810
>Average Falcon 9 launch is about $200k in fuel
And that's with kerosene. If SpaceX can actually get a reliable and large scale sabatier setup running off solar, then their fuel costs could wind up being practically zero beyond basic maintenance of the system. You're basically fueling a rocket off water at that point.

>>11693400
who the fuck was vetting those questions holy fuck

>>11694550
This is the best patch since the octopus.

>>11695569
>>11695584
> it's scorch marks and not soot
What? Those boosters are covered in an inky soot that wipes off. There may be some scorching as well but most of it is soot.

>>11694118
It‘s not that easy in rocketry.

>>11695696

That's an ignoble patch which cynically hearkens to the worse aspirations of conquest. It's obviously a bad patch.

>>11695723
It's for a spy satellite launch and it's a giant rape octopus. It's appropriate.

>>11694940
Hoping for a scrub due to high level winds. Just to fuck with network television.

>>11695698
This image shows a scorched Falcon 9 without the soot. The LOX tank section seems to be too cool to scorch but it does get covered in soot, I guess that's how you can tell the difference.

>>11695759
Looks solid

KSP2 to release on Fall 2021
https://twitter.com/KerbalSpaceP/status/1263190715141627904

>>11695961
Kerbal has gotten too much hype recently

>>11696128
It's a good way of getting normies interested in space.

>>11695191
>never worked in a legit big site
Big enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_gas_project

>>11695961
>>11696128
>>11696372
It's great for getting people interested in space but I have no faith in KSP 2 being any good. It's the kind of game only an indie studio would make until it proved profitable then the sequal gets handed to a bunch of industry hacks.